AT LAST! New VW ID.Buzz Cargo on the road. Has it been worth the wait? / Electrifying
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It’s been five long years since the VW ID. Buzz first appeared as a concept. And we’ve been eagerly anticipating its arrival ever since. But now, finally, the wait is over. The ID. Buzz is here and set to become one of the most talked-about electric vehicles on the market.
The ID. Buzz is based on the same foundations as all the Volkswagen Group ID models. Known as the MEB platform, this is effectively a giant skateboard with the wheels, suspension and motors at one end and the battery pack in the middle. To help ensure that the platform doesn’t compromise the design of the cars on which they are based, Volkswagen engineers can tweak the wheelbase (the distance between the wheels from front to rear).
It’s available as a five-seater passenger version and a three-seater panel van which starts from £41,621. Join Ginny as she puts the new ID. Buzz Cargo through its paces in the UK for the first time. Has Volkswagen aced it with the new ID. Buzz? As always, we love to read your comments, so let us know what YOU think below.
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ID. Buzz Cargo
Price (from) £41,621
77kWh battery
256 mile range
170kW DC
30 minutes 5-80%
11kW AC
11 hours on 7kkW home wallbox
0-62mph in 10.2 seconds
90mph top speed
Power: 201bhp
Torque: 310Nm
Load capacity 3.9cubic meters
Payload: 592-607kg
Can’t wait to see the first coach builder to fit a pop top and camper interior.
doubt they will try, this is not a van, you can't even stand up in it. a transporter is cheaper and bigger
the load would be a problem doing a conversion if 2 people are going to be onboard, maybe ok for a loner but theres no hight and poor charging time if you were using it for breaks away also am bettting on hills etc it will half the range. pointless.
5Mars in Quebec is already talking orders for a popup version.
A commercial vehicle with no V2L option? Bit of a fail there
Yeah, it's the one thing i really miss in my peugeot van as well. It seems like such a simple thing to just slap an inverter in there to let me recharge my tool batteries.
Sadly cancelled my order as the numbers don’t stack up. 210 range in summer probably but certainly not in winter… I think the standard Transporters have some life left yet…
I’d rather have this as a crew cab. Inexpensive interior with that powertrain.
As a Peugeot e expert owner I can see this as a better works van.3.3 miles per kWh opposed to 3.0 kWh is impressive. So nice to be able to do the London run without that 15mins charge break.
Shameful that the info system is still so poor. It stops me even considering any VW electric vehicle
Also the supposed idea that EVs will have to pay a road fund tax?
Just plug your iPhone in….
Yep I tried an ID4 last year - nearly 50K and software absolutely appalling.
They got the pricing wrong but I absolutely love the buzz
like really really wrong
@@amanasd26 most will likely wait to buy a used one, after 5 years the greatly improved new batteries will drop the price for outdated 2023 batteries.
and the price quoted in this video is £5k short of what it really costs!
Really helpful of everyone to correct her with the actual price.
From £43,421 according VW website as at 10th of April 2023. Only £1,800 out with time moving on.
Certainly looks iconic with decent range. VW won't be able to produce them quick enough. Brings a smile to your face,except the price.
Can't wait to see these on the UK roads. 👍
100%
VW needs to accelerate its plans for a camper version. People are lusting for it!
At 3.3 miles per kWh with todays prices of electricity is not saving compared to a diesel van of the same size. And if you charge on the street you'll pay very high prices. And if it's fully, or even partially loaded you won't get 3.3 miles per kWh either. And a price of €60,000+ for a small, not very cheap to run van, with a small payload???
I think buying an electric car without having solar panels to fill it up is an mistake
60k for a van.
57k though, tf
I've been running a Peugeot e-expert the last 12 months and covered 20k mile in that time. Using in the building trade and it works hard hauling loads of weight. It a pleasure to use and I look forward to driving it every day.
Loving my e-expert too.
I feel like the buzz cargo is a replacement for the caddy (larger external dimensions but similar inside). It's got better range and stronger motor than the e-expert, but smaller cargo space, lower cargo weight, and same tow weight. You do pay a premium for that extra range though.
Got the 75kwh crew cab E-expert too. Bigger better range than this thing. Yes it’s stylish but for trade it’s a tad too small and way way over priced.
@@CRAZYCR1T1C check your wltp range again, ID BUZZ is better on that , unfortunately it offers lower payload and smaller cargo space
Another e-expert owner who’s done 38000 miles this year and loving everyone of them.
I’ve been looking at the ID Buzz cargo as a possible replacement but what I see from this video is no drivers armrest (makes a big difference on long journeys), no enclosed storage and a similar range to what I currently get with the w-expert. The price is more so I’d expect more which, other than the faster rapid charging speed (probably 15minutes less for a 10-80% charge) is not going to dissuade me from buying another e-expert. Shame as it looks great. Need to test drive one to see what the efficiency is really like and how poor the infotainment system is.
@@colin7898 indeed vw looks better, I also intended to buy a Citroen jumpy which is the same thing , but the range is 100 km more for Id buzz and for me longer range is a must , how many miles did you get out in colder days ?
600kg payload is a bit useless unfortunately
Il stick with my 1.9d t4 poptop camper thankyou
Thanks. This a lovely review of a vehicle that I'd never buy but love to see available for others. I also like how the charging data was presented: the only info that matters is the DC to 80% time and the 10-minute splash-and-dash range. Seriously, as every EV available today supports more than 7kWh AC charging, the home charging time is irrelevant 9the limiting factor is the home EVSE); no one in their right mind does a 0-100% charge at home, in one night - we all want to use an off-peak window to top-up...
it's more equivalent in size to a VW Caddy, not a Transporter. Actually fits in between the Caddy short and long variants, but with significantly less payload. Comparing it to a Dispatch is incorrect as that is a proper medium van like a Transporter or Transit custom.
I wonder when VW will come out with a proper medium van EV as they are the most common van size, in the UK at least. The Buzz with it's tiny payload is really very limited. Looks great though.
400km range for city use (probably 350 irl) is fine. Price is OK (slightly more than the Transporter diesel), running costs will be a bit lower. The Transporter and Ford Transit are the most used/sold cargo vans, so this will also sell pretty well, I reckon. If you can get your hands on one.
It's cargo space is the same as the caddy though. So i'm not sure it is in direct competition with the transporter. Some might be fine switching to a much smaller van, but many will probably find it lacking in space.
Hmm.. yes, you have a valid point there. We’ll see. Most companies that use these extensively (like inner-city transport companies, or postal services) will not start replacing their vans just because VW comes out with a new van. It has to make economic sense first. But indeed, the capacity could be a major factor as well.
I've got an e-expert, same size as a transporter and transit custom.
I'm actually paying about the same per month as I did for my old paid off diesel van.
If I was looking to buy new it would be a clean nobrainer with the lease being about the same as my diesel cost was before.
Great review as always Ginny. I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Agree entirely with you Ginny.I'm on my 5th VW transporter since 1980,and I just wouldn't be without one.
Hey, many thanks for this video. :) The beginning with all the old classics was absolut great. These old busses are what we from VAN360 are living for. The ID Buzz feels a bit cold and so different from them. May the future will change our point of view a bit but from todays perspective the classics are unbeaten. Have an nice day and thanks for sharing your perspective. All the best from Germany. :)
Love it, but can't wait until the camper version arrives
I’ve been thinking yes then no but finally ordered mine , hopefully here before Xmas 😊
Great video...best Ive watched. Getting me thinking of my next van
Nice Guchi report. How about doing a real fully loaded test against a Transporter in real-world conditions.
Neah, I dont need an extreme expansive heavy bus with an outdated slow working software and funny parking assist.
I can do that for 50 years now. We will happily wait for the Xbus with the solar panels.
You can easily buy 2 Xbus versions for the price of the IDBuzz.
This is fantastic and as a couple with a small child, the 2+1 seats are ideal. Keep the back open for a work van / adhoc camper van
I’m looking forward to seeing the camper version but not sure how practical and useable it will actually be. Maybe it’ll be a longer wheelbase and extending roof. God knows who could afford that though.
With an electric RV camper you'd spend half your vacation in a Wal-Mart parking lot waiting for charge.
@@rickhalas With a camper that small you’d only use it for weekends and possibly even on a campsite with charging so should be fine 🤷🏻♂️
Too bad you don’t sit over the front wheel and have all that extra room like in the vanagon and older busses. The camper would really suffer compared to a old westfallia.
We enquired about one of these a few months ago for our business. We couldn’t even see one until January ‘23 at the earliest and, according to the dealer ‘would be lucky to get delivery by next August’. They did say they would be willing to take our order and a hefty deposit. Hmmm…..
I ordered a T6.1 in May and it’s not due until May 2023 - so it’s pretty standard at the moment.
@@CT-oe1ug But I’ll bet you could actually see/test drive it at least.
If you're looking at this, look at the kangoo etech as well. It's got a 3,3m² cargo space to the buzz's 3,9, but it tows 1500kg to the buzz's 1000. It has shorter range, but it's also significantly cheaper, and my local dealer has one to test drive and said he might be able to deliver in 3-4 months. He actually had one he could deliver in a week, but it didn't have the features i wanted.
So very tempting love that colour but would probably save money and go with standard white
Love the colour. Seriously tempted when my 6.1 lease is up
200 mile range is more realistic than other vans. Don't know the efficiency on the motorway though ? I bet some are already being ordered for camper conversion and day van conversions. Pop up roof might be an issue due to vehicle weight (roof adds strength). If you did convert to a camper then charging could be done onsite using 2.4 kw slow charger. Double bed with kitchen, solar for the roof (possibly two 400 watt panels or at least 300 w using 100 w panels), rear or side awning, solar battery (Bluetti) and side window (s). So conversion £6000 if you do it yourself (warranty might be void ?)
Hmm, do I spot a Genesis G80 Electric in the background for future review?
Just beautiful 😍 i want One but can't afford One 😔 😭
2:12 it looks like a Cupra Born but bigger 😀
@Electrifying;; 6:17 Please include metric unit measurements in the video.
The turning circle on the Transporter SWB is 11.9m, so that's 0.8m more than the ID Buzz not 2m more! It's 2m more on the Transporter LWB.
OK. So of course it's cool, I used to have a 62 Splitty so share the love BUT lets get boring for a second, I trade wine, a single loaded euro pallet is 1088KG so at 600kg max payload this couldn't even take one pallet of wine, a 2.0 Citroen Jumpy/Dispatch can take 1400KG and is £10,000 cheaper! This is gonna be the vehicle for the kids of the parents who drive Range Rovers around central London and Soho Farmhouse.... ;-)
Do the do this in 4 motion ?
On the configurator it lists the tailgate in the options list at £528.00 ?
no, its a no cost option. website is often updated
they need to get the carry weight limit up , if the payload is 600kg , then you lose 100kg for the driver , then you have 500 kg for the load , the avg tradie would easily have that in tools and parts , a delivery van would need at least 800kg +100kg for driver
Usually the driver is calculated into the base weight of the vehicle. Passengers aren't though.
I do agree than 600kg is a bit low though.
EVs are the future however for vans there are few that will allow weights of over 1 ton.
The average pallet of beer weighs 900kg and most breweries are trying to be environmentally friendly but the low weight restrictions of electric vans stops us from moving across. 500kg is no where near.
Hope higher weight capacity vans come out soon.
@D2M5 My thoughts exactly.
Doubt many will buy this for commercial use - it’s being sold as a lifestyle vehicle for the well-heeled and they’ll have plenty of takers. Not a proper commercial van at all.
The citroen/peugeot medium van that she compared this too takes over 900 kg with the small battery, 870 with the big battery though. They also have almost double the cargo space, so i don't think it's really a fair comparison.
But MAN has a cargo van that takes a lot more i think. Still shorter range though.
I would love own one!
From £41k?, not a bargain is it?!.
I'd be more interested in the Xbus myself. Payload is quoted as being 800-1100kg depending on body module/battery used (much better for me as a window cleaner then the circa 600kg of the VW) and with the maximum amount of battery packs fitted (108-150 miles, obviously not enough for some, but fine for my usage) should cost around £22k. Yes, the VW is a much more polished product (though that doesn't necessarily translate into reliability), and would be much better for those who spend a lot of time on the motorway network (the Xbus's top speed is quoted as being >100km/h).
Personally, I think the Xbus looks cooler too (with a very clear nod to the styling of the VW Type 2 bay window) , especially the Offroad version, which looks like a Tonka toy made real!.
Another reason I am not overly impressed with the VW is the fact that there is no solar panels available, either as standard (like the Xbus) or even as an option (though you can have stainless steel pedals with play and pause symbols on them!). Why is it that the big manufacturers seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that a large flat roof gives an obvious opportunity to mount solar panels?. Even in the UK, this would be very useful to power ancillary systems and stretch the range (every little helps).
The fact these will be bought by businesses and lots of those have 3 phase, then the lack of an optional 22kw charger is a serious oversight.
Would love 1 with a 2.5 Di transit smiley engine in it
Maybe the regen works better when loaded, you may lock the back wheels otherwise.
Nice review, thank you, but where are you getting the price from? I visited the VW Van website they start from £46,600.
The price we are quoting includes the government grant of £5,000 (which it hasn't actually been approved for yet, but it its imminent apparently).
@@Electrifyingcom Thank you, that makes sense.
Ginny : Any vehicle you spend hours in and have paid for out of your hard earned cash is more than a work horse to many, it is a travelling companion as you state, especially if you manage to outfit it as a camper-van and go on the road full time.
Short overhang at the front? It’s designed to look that way, but really, if you look at the seat position, the overhang is anything but short.
Get a builder to check to see if its any good, especially the door security.
Waiting for the LWB GTX with 4 wheel drive.. Hurry up VW
They should have made the headlights round shaped
Agreed, it's not cute which is the reason people love the older ones. Should have been retro style.
How much is it ???? And how far does it go ? Is it as good as a diesel ?
No internal VTl outlet? otherwise can be converted into camper van.
Can you get a 1200 x 2400 of OSB, plasterboard or MDF flat on floor or upright, if not, go back to the drawing board.
Nice van
I have no need for one, but boy, do I want one.
You didn't mention the low cost of running it, compared to a gas guzzler van.. AND the steep depreciation of petrol vans, the servicing of them too.. SO much better with electrics...
agreed , I live in Central Canada and would simply get a base model that already has all that would use, currently it costs me average $80/week for petrol in my Volvo and roughly 300 miles weekly, and i do all my own maintenance in my home garage, we have the cheapest hydro rates in North America at 9.1 cents/kilowatt hour which means i would save a ton of $$ on fuel/maintenance and would opt for the bigger charger, simply for the reason that i have 200 amp electrical service in my garage already and it would save me time and I'd only have to charge once a week , maybe 1 1/2 for a quick top up in the winter months even if i had to charge 3 times a week i am still way ahead of what it cost to buy petrol at $1.699 per litre , generally Tesla model 3's in my city in the winter time owners have told me the battery then is 55% at best from 90% charge , our winter mean temp is a daily of - 23 celsius plus wind chill , pricing here in 2024 when they come to dealerships here will start at $66k CDN which i hope is about 10k less than forecasted , we get a $5000 gov't rebate on all models that are full EV's so that would put it about $50k plus taxes/insurance, and with $15/weekly for charging at home $800/yr vs $4200/yr on petrol and no real maintenance , its a new vehicle and these things don't go through tires or brakes like an ice does, the only real consumable items are the tires and that cost doesn't come until 3-4 yrs of ownership, i would love to save that $3400/yearly on fuel and camping and fishing i could just sleep in the back , so Bobs your uncle 👍
@@99unclebob dude this is priced at like 75 grand for canada. Add in a loaded vehicle of either cargo/people the cold weather hit on range and this thing won't save you anything at all. Also a base model would forego a heat pump which would hurt range even more. Please explain how you would save money with this vehicle?
too bad it was like 4X more up front cost than those vans you are talking about. Yuu will never recoup the difference. I'm all for electric but this vehicle is a huge miss from a economics perspective.
@@amanasd26 you are better off buying a Bolt or Niro, and renting a minivan for longer trips with more people and more luggage.
@@jeffruebens8355 definitely. People screaming "look how how much money I saved in Fuel" while paying for 10 years of fuel upfront baked into the purchase price.
Plug & Charge is coming for the ID.3/4/5 as well once the software is updated to the version that has it which I think is v3.1, the Buzz has 3.2. It needs to be done for a TCO cost over 5yrs rather than just sticker price. Remember also fossil fuels will get more expensive as time goes on, you need to do it from a Fleet Manager mindset rather than a consumer mindset as you have.
Anyone know the location of that stunning scenery?
BangBus?
looks like you can't get a full sheet of plywood in the back, so no sale.
Looks great. Deposit paid, just got to wait til next September 😬😬😬
Seriously, get a builder in it with a full load to try. It's pointless doing a test without a pallet or load simply because we already know the rang is rubbish, but how much more rubbish is it with a load on board. Wich businessmen is going to have one that won't be in white.
A builder won't be buying one of these for work anyway too much money to be messing it up.
Just ordered mine , 7 months wait😢
But does it look £45k cool? (UK price inc VAT for base model). Expect >£50k for higher spec models. How about £57k and up for the standard passenger version. Still cool now?
The cargo model goes up to 60k
I don't see many of them on the Hippy trail from Europe to India...
Cargo van for 60k with 600kg payload and no V2L charging? This would be ok 10 years ago but with the F150 lightning and Hyundai/Kia offerings of today...
How is the range with full cargo ?
Weight doesn't affect range that much. Adding a roof rack or trailer will lower range due to drag, but the 600kg cargo capacity is barely going to make a noticeable difference unless you're driving up a mountain.
Let’s roll👨🏼🔧
You know…I quite like that. Maybe I should cancel my XC40 recharge order? Pity you can’t fit a full 8’x4’ sheet of plywood in the back
Finaly a van that's fun and has a fun 😀 name 😀 Buzzx
The load capacity of this van is tiny. Can you imagine loading it up with racking then trying to get in and use the space? Plus the range would probably be 10 miles with a load.
I'd just buy this and put some seats in it
When is a comparison done with the STLA trio? Looks like it's less m3.
And are they really more expensive?
In NL and DE they're not.
I think it's more fair to compare it to the partner/berlingo or the kangoo. More similar cargo space. They're both much cheaper than the buzz, but shorter range, and fewer features that i would consider luxuries like parking assist.
Kangoo can tow 1500kg though, which for me would probably be a deciding factor if I wanted a small van.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 Berlingo/Combo are smaller. I think Buzz is in-between both.
The 2023 eTransit-custom and it's VW counterpart will be the better EV Van I think.
@@RedBatteryHead The kangoo is 3,3m², the buzz is 3,9, and my e-expert is 6,6. The transit custom will be similar in size and range to the e-expert. I haven't heard of a VW in the works, though ofc they'll have to do it at some point.
@@matthiashejlskov5008 the eTransit custom and VW (T7e?) Going to share same architecture. Like with the Tourneo/Caddy.
Same as Kangoo/MB share.
VW should make the front grill hexagonal.🐝
Great Cargo Car. Well worth the price.
Really, 41k are you insane. Your staff are going to trash it, not manager is going to spend 41k on a work van. This is aimed squarely at self employed owner drivers.
Can u get a pallet in the back
SI units please
It may cost more upfront than a Transporter, but not paying for the horrific cost of diesel for the next few years would pay for itself in no time.
Maybe they should make a luxury version tricked out with lurid colours and a body kit and call it the Buzz Off?
surely it should of been tested loaded up ?
$56K US dollars (41,000 BP) is an absurd price to pay for such a pedestrian range (210 miles) and a horrific reputation for User Interface VW has managed to earn with ID4 ! BYD and many others will have much better EVs at lower prices by the time ID Buzz arrives in US. This car is a tough tell today let alone in 18 months when VW will face a ton of competition in US market.
Totally amazing van ,but realistically how many can afford and if a builder would you really spend this much ,and it gets me how they go on about electric vehicles and saving the planet, but yet so many are well out of the reach of most .A van for me is to carry my tools ,locally ,bascis would be great ,with sensible extras like abs ,but really a van with good range but 15 thousand ,even this is to much for many I know ,some spend a couple of thousand as that is all they can ,how will everyone all on electric happen ,it won't, not with the tech and costs at the moment .
Also, put it next to a Ford transit electric, then you'd have like for like anything else is going to be pointless.
I love it!
Friend with ID4 lost 20% range within the first yr.
Probably a software problem
Funny they think anyone would buy it at that price.
And I feel sorry for the ones that buy these overprized early EVs that will lose so much of their resale value in few years.
Of course journalist who don't need to pay for this are very impressed.
Plug & Charge and Autocharge are different protocols. FastNed do not support Plug and Charge. Do you guys actually know anything?
It just looks like a renault espace
Getting electric from a gas power station. That's really green. Time for hydrogen cars.
The Buzz is 1000 lbs heavier than a Ford F150.
And how much does this cost? A million pounds!?
I love the look of the vehicle but the economics of the vehicle don't make much sense. The sticker price, the loaded vehicle range and space leaves a lot to be desired.
totally agree cargo van is better, windows are so overrated
Can the Buzz do even one-half of what the Vanagon can ?? -------> ruclips.net/video/wJnRCm-Uml4/видео.html
It's not tricky getting faster loading times on screens they just need to stop fucking cheating out on the computers
throw a diesel motor in it and id buy one!!!