It was slow paced because that’s how the work is; picking at the tiny threads and pulling. This thing took nine years to play out. It’s also not a documentary.
It documents how drawn out the whole process was without being a documentary. For me, I remembered all the real terror attacks (shooting in Saudi Arabia, bombings in London, attack on the Marriott, the Times Square car bomb attempt, the suicide bomb by the Jordanian ‘mole’) in that I only needed to see the first few seconds of each to know what they were about to show. Much like the TV series “The Crown”, it re-enacts a version of how things roughly happened or might have happened by retelling a story we have watched the real life version of.
Yes. True story, it came out in theaters in January of that year and i had Holiday cookies from my mother in my jacket. I remembered them after a while and was quietly trying to unwrap them when it came to the scene on the boat. Just as i was bringing a cookie to my mouth, they shot the honeypot assassin. I put the cookie back in my pocket.
Robert O'Neill, the SEAL who took the killshot, was on a recent podcast where he mentioned that in reality, when they showed her Bin Laden's body after 9 years of searching for him, her response was "F**ck, Looks Like I'm Out Of A Job."
"But I know how it ends!"... Ironically, at the time the film was in production, the filmmakers didn't. Bin Ladin was got after it started filming and the they had to go back and rewrite a movie that was was supposed to end in frustrating failure and moral questioning. Doubtless having to re-write the entire third act (and the screen time it would take from the character building in the other two) was going to mess up many of the themes they were developing, which all went out the window with, 'yeah, we got him' and probably created a lot of the unevenness in the storytelling.
Imagine how horrible that timing could have been...release the movie and a week later he is killed...that would have sucked for them. Bet they are glad the timing worked as it did.
I talked to a guy once who used to train army dogs. He said it was a lot like training people to jump out of perfectly good airplanes in that some dogs weren't thrilled about it but did it because they were told, and some dogs fucking LOVED it and would get all excited when they were harnessed up and taken on an airplane.
Robert O'Neill the seal who killed UBL said the whispering their names was a tactic they use. Notice how they're saying it with the perfect accent,so they can get confused and think it's someone from their house calling them
Highly recommend “Generation Kill”, it is an HBO miniseries that follows recon marines during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is often described as the most realistic depiction of the US military
@@jamesjoseph1249 If you guys really liked it, try reading the book. The Rolling Stone Author has just given up drinking before being embedded with First Recon, and his observations of military tradition and practices are hilarious. Plus, a lot more content that didn’t make it into the show. In case you were curious, it was based on a true story.
Definitely. I was in MARSOC during the early stages of the war, I must say, I prefer the raids we did alongside CIA, MI6, and SAS on potential WMD facilities and warehouses to the FORCON work our brothers over their did, that shit is rough.
If you want another film like this, Steven Spielberg's "Munich" is brilliant (and a bit more personal). If you want a movie sort of like this, but more of an action type, Michael Bay's "13 Hours" is super, super tense. Once the action starts, it never let's up.
Black Hawk Down (2001), a similar movie in some ways, about a helicopter rescue mission by Americans in Somolia. Exciting well made movie from a real event
I don't know why but I really love this movie. When i flick through netflix to find something to watch, lots of times I rewatch this instead. I can see the flaws it might have for others but I like this kind of story so much and the realism and the slow pace and then the ending with the seals. It remindes me of Captain Philips in this regard. It has a simliar structur and I have watched it many times aswell. Also little bit of trivia: They started doing this movie before UBL was killed and it was supposed to be about the never ending hunt of him. When he got killed, they changed the script.
Lads with all respect. Thanks for reacting. But I'm a Brit who lives in a home which doesn't have wooden fences, if you get me I have spent many many months in Pakistan, in Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Lahore etc. I know the details of this movie intimately, as well as security forces involved This is as close to actual realism that Hollywood has gotten for several decades
Yes, they had to blow up the helo that crashed. It was equipped with some secret stealth tech. It had never been seen before pics of the blown up helicopter showed up (especially the tail section)
never seen before or since. from what I have been able to find online they were a variant of the UH-60 Blackhawk, prototypes still in testing at the time and apparently never built in quantity / serial production. there are no actual pictures of an intact craft I have been able to find. it is possible that they are in actual service but in very low numbers, stored in hangers somewhere and only used in key operations. Something most people dont consider is that you dont want to fly our stealth aircraft around a lot because you can be sure enemies are always working on detection, so when you are doing military exercises in Europe or on the open oceans you can be sure your enemies are using all the ELINT they can muster to learn how to track them. this is a primary reason that if these things still exist they are kept highly secret. Remember the F-117 did not have any verified pictures of it until Desert Storm, when it was impossible to keep hidden any more.
I like how realistic the raid at the end was. Given what little we know of how Development Group does this kind of thing, from the stuff put out by newly retired members like the GBRS crew, it maybe was not slow or quiet enough. Raids like that apparently are a very slow and creeping 'pressure cooker' of gradually prying open dead spaces in the structure.
The raid scene was actually really nicely done, almost perfectly replicated it. The compound was exactly like the real one and the scene run-time was just as long as the actual raid itself.
18:39 No, you haven't seen the photo. There was a fake one that went viral on the internet at the time but it was confirmed as a composite. One of the Seals admitted to keeping an illegal picture but handed it over without it ever being published in return for an agreement that he wasn't prosecuted for having unlawful classified material. No genuine images have ever been made public - officially or otherwise.
very Denmark...it's unlikely they ever killed him...anytime the gov shows no proof and says 'trust us'...well, why believe them about this when lying is their business
@@porkfrog2785 If they didn't kill him and he's still alive, why would he not come out and tell everyone that they lied about killing him? That wouldn't quite follow his MO.
@@hrs2044 good question...who knows what happened? There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. If they showed us a body, there'd be no questions and we'd know. I guess more blessed is he that hath not seen, yet still believes
@@porkfrog2785 Well the Seal team that went in there knows what happened, and their commanding officers and everyone in the loop, they all know. Plus, I def do not agree with "If they showed us a body, there'd be no questions and we'd know" Even if they did show the body, you'd have people questioning if it's the real body, if it's a body double, that it's a robot, or a clone, etc..... These days with the internet conspiracies, an actual body would do little to confirm his death. The fact that he hasn't shown his face after all this time is really the best evidence that he's dead. Were he alive, the best way to discredit the US would be to come out and prove that they lied about his death.
@@hrs2044 I should have been clear, showed US, the public, a body. there would be necessary ID and transparent lab work. Same as any forensic work here. Maybe they killed another 6'5" Arab. who knows? Or it could be in 10 years he was already dead, who knows? Your best argument here is the Ben F one, "“Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.” I'm not a conspiracy guy but it makes no sense not to positively ID and publish results of tests to Americans and we just have to have faith, when 5000+ died...hell, they used to have witnesses at executions of people who killed 5. Imagine how the family and friends feel, just being told 'we got'em' if I'm annoyed ==== as for 'belief', sure, there are people who believe or refuse to believe anything. like the earth isn't round. You could show them video of someone resisting and they'll claim otherwise...or your blood could be all over a crime scene and you could walk.
I don't know if anyone else remembers this, but I recall hearing that a few people involved with the production of this film were questioned by the FBI or the CIA or both because there was some information included in the film that was classified, and there was no way anyone in the film industry should have access to such sensitive information.
The guy at the beginning didn’t break because he knows that once he give his information up, his life has no value. Without knowledge, he’s just another mouth to feed and body to house.
In the same vein, but not action oriented, is a movie on Amazon Prime called The Report, about the investigation into the use of torture on detainees starring Adam Driver. Excellent movie
@@mountainbikemayhem1833 Completely irrelevant to The Report, which was almost All the President's Men quality. Speaking of which, you guys need to watch All the President's Men.
While promoting the movie Jessica Chastain spoke of the real woman her character was based on. She was not able to meet and speak with her while preparing for the role because she was on assignment somewhere but there was a Maya in real life who stayed on this like a pitbull and rubbed a LOT of people the wrong way over the years, as depicted in the movie. To give an idea how many people the real Maya pissed off, everyone who had anything to do with finding and killing Bin Laden got a promotion, but not Maya. Hopefully the real Maya doesn't give a shit.
17:20 - fun-ish fact.. if you go onto Google Maps and look at the location of the compound, scroll through the time bar and you'll see the remains of the black hawk near the inner walls (or what was left of it). Also interesting to see the compound get torn down over the following years.
Bigelow has explained that "it's a military term for 30 minutes after midnight, and it refers also to the darkness and secrecy that cloaked the entire decade-long mission."
I think the slow movement of the film was meant to make viewers feel how frustrating and mind-numbing the search was. This is how real intelligence is done. Analyzing everything to the nth degree and frustration after frustration and then a couple minutes of action. That's the whole point of the pace, IMHO.
The helicopter that crashed was a super secret one with very low radar signature and special low noise rotors, which is why it was essential to destroy it before leaving. The low noise rotors are also not as good as regular rotors, it's amazing the pilot managed to land that well.
The resolution to most of the characters doesn’t need to be explained. Mostly they went back to work and continued their jobs. It’s not an action movie.
Agreed. That and the film's length serve to paint the picture of how much actual work went into the real thing. Sadly, if they don't like it it's simply not a great movie for them. The payoff high at the end was more than worth it for me, though.
@@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837 maybe it's cuz they aren't American so its not as romanticized to them as a result of not getting sucked in by the American patriotism aspect
I watched this film for the first time last night and thought it was pretty good. I definitely enjoyed it more than The Hurt Locker, which I lost interest and patience with in the third act and thought was very overrated.
What that dog can do you ask ? Thats a military trained K9 dog... they detect explosives or money, hunt down people who try to flee.. things like that.. extremely useful.
The movie is about her obsession. That's why at the ending was bittersweet for her character, because she desperately wanted to catch him, but then her obsession was over. The reason we didn't get reactions from the other characters is because she's basically the only character we care about. Maybe it's because you're men that you want more from the other male characters, not sure, but I never thought about or cared about the reactions of others at the end. It's definitely a plot driven movie, but her relentlessness is what keeps the movie driving forward and it's never slow imo. It's close to a perfect movie imo and I'm not even a huge fan of thrillers.
It’s not because we are men, at the very beginning of the film you hear voicemails and phone calls from the tragedy of 9/11, this portrays a very personal event for so many people around the US, and some even around the world, and I think it contrasted with the ending just being about her when i think it would have been more effective and a more satisfying and fulfilling ending to see the whole worlds reaction 🤷🏼♂️ Still have her reaction, but after that introduce the worlds reaction, would have been a more powerful ending, I dunno, just a thought
I find it interesting that Shaun said that, if he was Jessica Chastain's character, he would feel nothing at the end of all this. But then he criticizes her for not showing enough emotion at the end?
@@ChucksCherubs3 I think what shaun was meant to say was he wouldn’t know how to feel, maybe numb? but as a dramatised film, you need to convey emotions to your audience, and he doesn’t think they was enough there for a satisfying resolution
I don't know historically accurate the dialogue was but I feel like the "F-Bombs" was forced into the film for the sake of keeping the audience engaged.
Jessica Chastain was unbelievable in this... in a good way. This happened on a Sunday night I believe here in the US. There were people outside of the White House cheering so it was sort of a moon landing moment. I know for me it was the only time I've had a celebratory drink to someone's demise. I was right down the road from lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I'm old enough to have seen the world change completely after that event. I think for some people it's a story that had to be told even if there's some dramatic license.
The biggest liberty taken with the film was attributing so many of the accomplishments of the hunt to a single character. In reality Maya's character was a consolidation of the efforts of numerous individuals in the intelligence ranks. It was done this way both to simplify the story and to give the audience an actual protagonistto follow throughout. Following multiple lesser characters who dont get much screen time wouldve made the film even more of a slog. As far as the torture aspect of ZDT: i never understood the heat the film got for it. It never portrays it as anything other than what it was: horrible and of questionable effectiveness. I think that ppl mistakenly attribute the fact that none of the main characters question the ethics of the practice to the fact that the film is glorifying torture, when all its doing is giving audiences a glimpse into what the CIA was doing. The characters arent there to be social commenters...theyre there to represent the ppl who carried out these operations. Maybe different ppl digest this aspect of the film differently, but i never felt that the film justified what they were doing to detainees. It felt more like an exposure of the ugly aspects of the intelligence game. The film even shows that the only time they get any useful intel out of the detainee in the beginning is when they treat him with a modicum of concern and compassion. Either way, i feel like its a long walk between the film making it look like something useful came from the detainee interrogation program...and thinking the film glorifies torture
Dog teams are a critical part for seal teams and fun fact, the guy who killed OBL Rob O'Neil said they usually go for two in the body and one in the head but for this mission he was just going for head shots to make sure
Other modern warfare type films that you should watch: Black Hawk Down (2001), Tears of the Sun (2003), Lone Survivor (2013), American Sniper (2014), 13 Hours (2016), and 12 Strong (2018)
I've only seen this movie once and barely remember it (bar the last few scenes), but enjoyed it. Kathyrn Bigelow has made some great stuff. If you haven't seen it yet, then i recommend her debut 'Near Dark'. A sadly underappreciated vampire movie -- that's as far from the whole gothic thing as you can get. More a road movie/western, with some great set pieces.
The Beast of War. Probably one of the unknown film gems and totally overlooked. Starring a young Jason Patrick it’s a story about a lone Russian tank and it’s crew being pursued by the Mujahideen along the plains and valleys of Afghanistan.
Just a short fyi: This movie can make it kinda look like they got the necessary information through torture. That was in fact not the case and has been debunked. The CIA torture program was not only inhumane, but never yielded any valuable information that they didn't already have. The movie "The Report" actually takes a jab about this film when it comes to that fact.
While true, it might've been a decision for simplicity's sake. It's no secret, especially with the declassified CIA files regarding the torture of persons in the Middle East, so it helps compress things down. Or maybe I'm giving the filmmakers too much credit.
THANK YOU it is genuinely depressing how many people take this film as an accurate representation of what happened. It is really just a pro torture propaganda film
Just in case you didn't know, the reason they blew up the helicopter is because the two they came in were top-secret stealth helicopters out of Area 51. They had to blow them up so ALL enemies, Russia, China, etc. couldn't know we had them or re-engineer them. Please watch "MUNICH" and "LONE SURVIVOR". PS This is a super accurate movie
For your next horror movie from the 80s? PLEASE do "Creepshow" (1982) Stephen King with George Romero (who did Night of the Living Dead, Dawn Of the Dead). It's a must-see for you guys.
Went see A Quiet Place 2 tonight with my brother and two of my niece's instead of watching the England/Scotland game and I think we made the right choice.Great film 👍🏼
Perhaps it didn't "grab" you because it showed what hunting these people down is really like - dull, repetitive, slow, frustrating, information collection. In the same way that the world of James Bond doesn't reflect the Secret Service but something like 'Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy' does - especially the BBC TV series starring Sir Alec Guinness.
Wow, the production quality of these videos just gets better and better - they even managed to find some sunlight in England...or has the channel taken off that much you can afford to pay for some CGI sun?
the thing about all the torture they depict in this movie is that it never actually amounted to any actionable details to go on. the problem with torture is that the detainee will tell you anything to get you to stop. most good intel comes from actually trying to help the detainee. maybe not them personally but making them a promise to make sure their family is taken care of ect. ect. that the kind of work that get you actionable intel. it also doesn't blow up in your face when the public finds out all the horrible shit you did to people that lead to nothing.
It feels like everyone who worked on this had a different opinion on torture. I imagine there were a lot of discussions around the water cooler while they were making it. Telling this story you can't not show the torture at all, I don't think, and if you're making a movie it's not advisable to spend a lot of time showing something like that and not have it pay off somehow. Various people involved with "Zero Dark Thirty" have said that this was a thorny issue that they wrestled with throughout production. Someone else here mentioned them having to rewrite the last third after current events caught up with the story they were telling - the film's attitude toward torture would have been clearer if they didn't have a real life 'victory' to end the movie with. One reason this movie faded so quickly, I think, is that it couldn't adequately stand up to accusations that it was justifying torture. I think those scenes will look worse to new audiences as time goes on and Bin Laden recedes even further from the all powerful bogeyman image he represented for so long. The way the film takes a step back and remains somewhat noncommittal on the issue was the correct way to do it. The film came out when we were still coming to terms with the fact that these things happened at all. Having said that, a disturbingly large chunk of America sees nothing wrong with torturing and killing black and brown people.
Psychological torture/manipulation works much better than physical torture. People lie to stop the pain so most of the time it’s useless information, best way is to make them feel like your trying to help them, then people let their guard down.
Zero Dark Thirty is a great film, in my opinion. This film got robbed in terms of Oscar wins because some of the torture scenes could be seen as a tacit endorsement of the CIAs Enhanced Interrogation Program. I think that both things can be true: Torture is very bad (and illegal) AND it definitely played a major part in finding and killing UBL.
This movie is really good. Probably not the most accurate (they never are) but its good movie. Also Shaun's cover of the universal studio's theme was beautiful. Great reaction/view.
7.7 and 7.2? Did we watch the same movie? Resolution to the characters? They’re real people or compositions of many. Not much needs to be shown unless they decide to tell you with some text. This movie is more 8-8.5. But still enjoy your reaction even if I disagree with the ratings.
@@CinemaRules Well, guys, I didn’t mind the pacing because like you said, it couldn’t be rushed. Enjoyed the reaction, anyway, and looking forward to the next one.
Cannot recommend Near Dark enough. My absolute favourite vampire movie. Another classic Bigelow movie is Point Break. Keanu Reeve and Patrick Swayze. Strange Days is a fairly decent scifi classic. She collaborated with her ex hubby James Cameron on that one.
Really man? Suprised. Loved this movie.. Felt real. It's supposed to be slow it supposed to show you how tedious it is and what they had to go through and her persistence
Due to watching your reaction video I rewatched this film last night & I enjoyed it a lot more than the first time which was several years ago, so it’s definitely a few which grows with repeat viewings. The slow pace reminded me of The Godfather films which I tried to watch in my early teens but found it too boring & slow paced, I found I needed to grow up & watch films by Martin Scorsese, Quintin Tarantino & Oliver Stone’s JFK. My rating for this film is 8 out of 10.
Black Hawk Down by Ridley Scott you won’t be disappointed.
Yes! Outlaw Josey Wales, Tombstone, Searching for Bobby Fisher. Credit to these guys for not just picking flicks that everyone else is doing.
Yes! Painful and heartbreaking, but so, so real and well-done.
How do you know that?
Great film
Every hen house every dog house chicken house...
It was slow paced because that’s how the work is; picking at the tiny threads and pulling. This thing took nine years to play out. It’s also not a documentary.
It documents how drawn out the whole process was without being a documentary. For me, I remembered all the real terror attacks (shooting in Saudi Arabia, bombings in London, attack on the Marriott, the Times Square car bomb attempt, the suicide bomb by the Jordanian ‘mole’) in that I only needed to see the first few seconds of each to know what they were about to show.
Much like the TV series “The Crown”, it re-enacts a version of how things roughly happened or might have happened by retelling a story we have watched the real life version of.
You guys should see “Munich” directed by Steve Spielberg. 🙂🎬
Yes. True story, it came out in theaters in January of that year and i had Holiday cookies from my mother in my jacket. I remembered them after a while and was quietly trying to unwrap them when it came to the scene on the boat. Just as i was bringing a cookie to my mouth, they shot the honeypot assassin. I put the cookie back in my pocket.
His best movie, in my opinion
Robert O'Neill, the SEAL who took the killshot, was on a recent podcast where he mentioned that in reality, when they showed her Bin Laden's body after 9 years of searching for him, her response was
"F**ck, Looks Like I'm Out Of A Job."
"Robert O'Neill, the SEAL who claims to have taken the killshot..."
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@@onebadmonkee2540 He shot him after he was dead. Dude is just a glory hound. Just goes to show not every soldier is an upstanding citizen.
@@Zack_410 It's a common theme in the SEAL community, sadly
@@Zack_410rue. A guy named "Red" most likely shot Osama. Rob is just a clown who wanted the fame of Killing osama.
@Zack_410 oh I'm sure the DEVGRU operator isn't as knowledgeable as Zack on RUclips about what happened in that house.
"But I know how it ends!"... Ironically, at the time the film was in production, the filmmakers didn't.
Bin Ladin was got after it started filming and the they had to go back and rewrite a movie that was was supposed to end in frustrating failure and moral questioning. Doubtless having to re-write the entire third act (and the screen time it would take from the character building in the other two) was going to mess up many of the themes they were developing, which all went out the window with, 'yeah, we got him' and probably created a lot of the unevenness in the storytelling.
The movie originally only covered until the December 2001 Battle of Tora Bora.
Would have been interesting to see that version of the movie
Imagine how horrible that timing could have been...release the movie and a week later he is killed...that would have sucked for them. Bet they are glad the timing worked as it did.
16:52 - Yes, they have the equipment to "fast-rope" the dog if necessary. They also have dogs that can be parachuted in with their teams if needed.
I talked to a guy once who used to train army dogs. He said it was a lot like training people to jump out of perfectly good airplanes in that some dogs weren't thrilled about it but did it because they were told, and some dogs fucking LOVED it and would get all excited when they were harnessed up and taken on an airplane.
Yep they get harnessed to the their handler and out the aircraft togehter they go, whether its fast rope or parachute.
ParA pooches
Robert O'Neill the seal who killed UBL said the whispering their names was a tactic they use. Notice how they're saying it with the perfect accent,so they can get confused and think it's someone from their house calling them
Highly recommend “Generation Kill”, it is an HBO miniseries that follows recon marines during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is often described as the most realistic depiction of the US military
“Dear Frederick...”
I watched Generation Kill about a year after getting back from Iraq (I wasn't in during the invasion), and every moment rang true.
@@jamesjoseph1249 If you guys really liked it, try reading the book. The Rolling Stone Author has just given up drinking before being embedded with First Recon, and his observations of military tradition and practices are hilarious. Plus, a lot more content that didn’t make it into the show. In case you were curious, it was based on a true story.
Definitely. I was in MARSOC during the early stages of the war, I must say, I prefer the raids we did alongside CIA, MI6, and SAS on potential WMD facilities and warehouses to the FORCON work our brothers over their did, that shit is rough.
Dogs are excellent on raids.
If you want another film like this, Steven Spielberg's "Munich" is brilliant (and a bit more personal).
If you want a movie sort of like this, but more of an action type, Michael Bay's "13 Hours" is super, super tense. Once the action starts, it never let's up.
Why would they want another film like this if they didn't like this one? ;P
@@ChucksCherubs3 that's why I said it was more personal (that's something they didn't like about this one)
Black Hawk Down (2001), a similar movie in some ways, about a helicopter rescue mission by Americans in Somolia. Exciting well made movie from a real event
Have you done Black Hawk Down?
You need to do Black Hawk Down.
I don't know why but I really love this movie.
When i flick through netflix to find something to watch, lots of times I rewatch this instead. I can see the flaws it might have for others but I like this kind of story so much and the realism and the slow pace and then the ending with the seals.
It remindes me of Captain Philips in this regard. It has a simliar structur and I have watched it many times aswell.
Also little bit of trivia: They started doing this movie before UBL was killed and it was supposed to be about the never ending hunt of him. When he got killed, they changed the script.
Lads with all respect. Thanks for reacting. But
I'm a Brit who lives in a home which doesn't have wooden fences, if you get me
I have spent many many months in Pakistan, in Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Lahore etc. I know the details of this movie intimately, as well as security forces involved
This is as close to actual realism that Hollywood has gotten for several decades
Yes, they had to blow up the helo that crashed. It was equipped with some secret stealth tech. It had never been seen before pics of the blown up helicopter showed up (especially the tail section)
never seen before or since. from what I have been able to find online they were a variant of the UH-60 Blackhawk, prototypes still in testing at the time and apparently never built in quantity / serial production. there are no actual pictures of an intact craft I have been able to find. it is possible that they are in actual service but in very low numbers, stored in hangers somewhere and only used in key operations. Something most people dont consider is that you dont want to fly our stealth aircraft around a lot because you can be sure enemies are always working on detection, so when you are doing military exercises in Europe or on the open oceans you can be sure your enemies are using all the ELINT they can muster to learn how to track them. this is a primary reason that if these things still exist they are kept highly secret. Remember the F-117 did not have any verified pictures of it until Desert Storm, when it was impossible to keep hidden any more.
I like how realistic the raid at the end was. Given what little we know of how Development Group does this kind of thing, from the stuff put out by newly retired members like the GBRS crew, it maybe was not slow or quiet enough. Raids like that apparently are a very slow and creeping 'pressure cooker' of gradually prying open dead spaces in the structure.
The raid scene was actually really nicely done, almost perfectly replicated it. The compound was exactly like the real one and the scene run-time was just as long as the actual raid itself.
18:39 No, you haven't seen the photo. There was a fake one that went viral on the internet at the time but it was confirmed as a composite. One of the Seals admitted to keeping an illegal picture but handed it over without it ever being published in return for an agreement that he wasn't prosecuted for having unlawful classified material. No genuine images have ever been made public - officially or otherwise.
very Denmark...it's unlikely they ever killed him...anytime the gov shows no proof and says 'trust us'...well, why believe them about this when lying is their business
@@porkfrog2785 If they didn't kill him and he's still alive, why would he not come out and tell everyone that they lied about killing him? That wouldn't quite follow his MO.
@@hrs2044 good question...who knows what happened? There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
If they showed us a body, there'd be no questions and we'd know.
I guess more blessed is he that hath not seen, yet still believes
@@porkfrog2785 Well the Seal team that went in there knows what happened, and their commanding officers and everyone in the loop, they all know. Plus, I def do not agree with "If they showed us a body, there'd be no questions and we'd know" Even if they did show the body, you'd have people questioning if it's the real body, if it's a body double, that it's a robot, or a clone, etc..... These days with the internet conspiracies, an actual body would do little to confirm his death. The fact that he hasn't shown his face after all this time is really the best evidence that he's dead. Were he alive, the best way to discredit the US would be to come out and prove that they lied about his death.
@@hrs2044 I should have been clear, showed US, the public, a body. there would be necessary ID and transparent lab work. Same as any forensic work here. Maybe they killed another 6'5" Arab. who knows?
Or it could be in 10 years he was already dead, who knows?
Your best argument here is the Ben F one,
"“Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.”
I'm not a conspiracy guy but it makes no sense not to positively ID and publish results of tests to Americans and we just have to have faith, when 5000+ died...hell, they used to have witnesses at executions of people who killed 5.
Imagine how the family and friends feel, just being told 'we got'em' if I'm annoyed
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as for 'belief', sure, there are people who believe or refuse to believe anything.
like the earth isn't round. You could show them video of someone resisting and they'll claim otherwise...or your blood could be all over a crime scene and you could walk.
You must watch "Near Dark" directed by Kathryn Bigelow. The best vampire movie ever made.
Thanks for the tip. Just the thought of seeing how the director of Zero Dark Thirty tackles vampires (given ZDT's REALISM) has me super intrigued!
You beat me too it. Her best film in my opinion!
“I hate it when they don’t shave.”😂😂
Love Near Dark. Came out around the same time as Lost Boys and is unfairly ignored as its a lot better than Lost Boys.
Jessica Chastain was such a badass in this movie.
I don't know if anyone else remembers this, but I recall hearing that a few people involved with the production of this film were questioned by the FBI or the CIA or both because there was some information included in the film that was classified, and there was no way anyone in the film industry should have access to such sensitive information.
The guy at the beginning didn’t break because he knows that once he give his information up, his life has no value. Without knowledge, he’s just another mouth to feed and body to house.
Kathryn Bigelow also directed Point Break (1991), not that remake crap. I think it was one of her first films.
Point break is amazing.
And The Hurt Locker. She’s a brilliant director
Classic film
You guys did an amazing job implementing and editing all of the visual effects into the intro!
I actually almost believed the UK had sunlight!
It never occurred to me that "where's Wally" had the alternative name of "where's Waldo" in America 😂
Great video folks! I love this movie. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
I know this a bit of a random , but the 1971 Australian film “Walkabout” is incredible if your looking for something different to watch.
Love this movie. Jessica Chastain is amazing 💜 I also recommend "The Debt". Another similar movie with Jessica Chastain and an amazing story.
James Gandolfini (Tony Soprano) plays Leon Panetta.
In the same vein, but not action oriented, is a movie on Amazon Prime called The Report, about the investigation into the use of torture on detainees starring Adam Driver. Excellent movie
Adam Driver kills it…carried a whole dam SW trilogy
@@mountainbikemayhem1833 Completely irrelevant to The Report, which was almost All the President's Men quality. Speaking of which, you guys need to watch All the President's Men.
I loved this movie! I love that they mention Zero Dark Thirty within this film as well, and how wrong they got it.
While promoting the movie Jessica Chastain spoke of the real woman her character was based on. She was not able to meet and speak with her while preparing for the role because she was on assignment somewhere but there was a Maya in real life who stayed on this like a pitbull and rubbed a LOT of people the wrong way over the years, as depicted in the movie. To give an idea how many people the real Maya pissed off, everyone who had anything to do with finding and killing Bin Laden got a promotion, but not Maya. Hopefully the real Maya doesn't give a shit.
Hey guys, I think you would love The Kingdom 2007 with Jamie Foxx and several others. Great movie!!! I truly appreciate your reactions.
17:20 - fun-ish fact.. if you go onto Google Maps and look at the location of the compound, scroll through the time bar and you'll see the remains of the black hawk near the inner walls (or what was left of it). Also interesting to see the compound get torn down over the following years.
My bf is former military and says 'zero dark thirty ' is just soldier's slang for frigging early in the morning.
Bigelow has explained that "it's a military term for 30 minutes after midnight, and it refers also to the darkness and secrecy that cloaked the entire decade-long mission."
Damn...I didn't get a notification for this and by the views I must not have been the only one.
I think the slow movement of the film was meant to make viewers feel how frustrating and mind-numbing the search was. This is how real intelligence is done. Analyzing everything to the nth degree and frustration after frustration and then a couple minutes of action. That's the whole point of the pace, IMHO.
"First bit of sun in two years", says the Brit in jeans, socks and two layers on top with a long-sleeve shirt. ;)
The helicopter that crashed was a super secret one with very low radar signature and special low noise rotors, which is why it was essential to destroy it before leaving.
The low noise rotors are also not as good as regular rotors, it's amazing the pilot managed to land that well.
The resolution to most of the characters doesn’t need to be explained. Mostly they went back to work and continued their jobs. It’s not an action movie.
exactly! like what do they want lol
Agreed. That and the film's length serve to paint the picture of how much actual work went into the real thing. Sadly, if they don't like it it's simply not a great movie for them.
The payoff high at the end was more than worth it for me, though.
@@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837 maybe it's cuz they aren't American so its not as romanticized to them as a result of not getting sucked in by the American patriotism aspect
Exactly, completely agree with you, but the question therefore is, does that make a compelling movie, or would it be better as a documentary? 🤷🏼♂️
@@CinemaRules I personally wouldn’t mind both. But I was also a history teacher for a long time so I like both documentaries and historical fiction.
I watched this film for the first time last night and thought it was pretty good. I definitely enjoyed it more than The Hurt Locker, which I lost interest and patience with in the third act and thought was very overrated.
Have you done "The Hurt Locker"? You should.
What that dog can do you ask ? Thats a military trained K9 dog... they detect explosives or money, hunt down people who try to flee.. things like that.. extremely useful.
The movie is about her obsession. That's why at the ending was bittersweet for her character, because she desperately wanted to catch him, but then her obsession was over. The reason we didn't get reactions from the other characters is because she's basically the only character we care about. Maybe it's because you're men that you want more from the other male characters, not sure, but I never thought about or cared about the reactions of others at the end. It's definitely a plot driven movie, but her relentlessness is what keeps the movie driving forward and it's never slow imo. It's close to a perfect movie imo and I'm not even a huge fan of thrillers.
It’s not because we are men, at the very beginning of the film you hear voicemails and phone calls from the tragedy of 9/11, this portrays a very personal event for so many people around the US, and some even around the world, and I think it contrasted with the ending just being about her when i think it would have been more effective and a more satisfying and fulfilling ending to see the whole worlds reaction 🤷🏼♂️
Still have her reaction, but after that introduce the worlds reaction, would have been a more powerful ending, I dunno, just a thought
I've only watched the film once, and I found it slow.
American Sniper is a much better film tbh.
@@DraculaTepes420 Especially the acting from that plastic baby. LOL!
I find it interesting that Shaun said that, if he was Jessica Chastain's character, he would feel nothing at the end of all this. But then he criticizes her for not showing enough emotion at the end?
@@ChucksCherubs3 I think what shaun was meant to say was he wouldn’t know how to feel, maybe numb? but as a dramatised film, you need to convey emotions to your audience, and he doesn’t think they was enough there for a satisfying resolution
I don't know historically accurate the dialogue was but I feel like the "F-Bombs" was forced into the film for the sake of keeping the audience engaged.
Jessica Chastain was also very good in "Molly's Game"
Jessica Chastain was unbelievable in this... in a good way. This happened on a Sunday night I believe here in the US. There were people outside of the White House cheering so it was sort of a moon landing moment. I know for me it was the only time I've had a celebratory drink to someone's demise. I was right down the road from lower Manhattan on 9/11 and I'm old enough to have seen the world change completely after that event. I think for some people it's a story that had to be told even if there's some dramatic license.
Yo, can I please get the link to y'all's outro song?!
Another great spy thriller is “Munich”. Highly recommend that one. Very underrated.
The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx is amazing
Great reaction. This movie is very informative. Love your opinions and thoughts on it. Always get a good laugh when I need one from you guys. 😊
I love the music, which is very, very spare and thus more effective.
Basically her entire catalog. lol. NEAR DARK - POINT BREAK (Swayze, Reeves), STRANGE DAYS - THE HURT LOCKER!
The biggest liberty taken with the film was attributing so many of the accomplishments of the hunt to a single character. In reality Maya's character was a consolidation of the efforts of numerous individuals in the intelligence ranks. It was done this way both to simplify the story and to give the audience an actual protagonistto follow throughout. Following multiple lesser characters who dont get much screen time wouldve made the film even more of a slog.
As far as the torture aspect of ZDT: i never understood the heat the film got for it. It never portrays it as anything other than what it was: horrible and of questionable effectiveness. I think that ppl mistakenly attribute the fact that none of the main characters question the ethics of the practice to the fact that the film is glorifying torture, when all its doing is giving audiences a glimpse into what the CIA was doing. The characters arent there to be social commenters...theyre there to represent the ppl who carried out these operations. Maybe different ppl digest this aspect of the film differently, but i never felt that the film justified what they were doing to detainees. It felt more like an exposure of the ugly aspects of the intelligence game. The film even shows that the only time they get any useful intel out of the detainee in the beginning is when they treat him with a modicum of concern and compassion.
Either way, i feel like its a long walk between the film making it look like something useful came from the detainee interrogation program...and thinking the film glorifies torture
Dog teams are a critical part for seal teams and fun fact, the guy who killed OBL Rob O'Neil said they usually go for two in the body and one in the head but for this mission he was just going for head shots to make sure
Other modern warfare type films that you should watch: Black Hawk Down (2001), Tears of the Sun (2003), Lone Survivor (2013), American Sniper (2014), 13 Hours (2016), and 12 Strong (2018)
I've only seen this movie once and barely remember it (bar the last few scenes), but enjoyed it. Kathyrn Bigelow has made some great stuff. If you haven't seen it yet, then i recommend her debut 'Near Dark'. A sadly underappreciated vampire movie -- that's as far from the whole gothic thing as you can get. More a road movie/western, with some great set pieces.
You guys ever seen Point Break?
Is that an "outhouse" in the background?
The Beast of War. Probably one of the unknown film gems and totally overlooked. Starring a young Jason Patrick it’s a story about a lone Russian tank and it’s crew being pursued by the Mujahideen along the plains and valleys of Afghanistan.
Just a short fyi: This movie can make it kinda look like they got the necessary information through torture. That was in fact not the case and has been debunked. The CIA torture program was not only inhumane, but never yielded any valuable information that they didn't already have. The movie "The Report" actually takes a jab about this film when it comes to that fact.
While true, it might've been a decision for simplicity's sake. It's no secret, especially with the declassified CIA files regarding the torture of persons in the Middle East, so it helps compress things down. Or maybe I'm giving the filmmakers too much credit.
@@nachgeben I mean, maybe. Even so, it'd still be a problem for me.
THANK YOU it is genuinely depressing how many people take this film as an accurate representation of what happened. It is really just a pro torture propaganda film
@@alexbaker9578 It's not.
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Just in case you didn't know, the reason they blew up the helicopter is because the two they came in were top-secret stealth helicopters out of Area 51. They had to blow them up so ALL enemies, Russia, China, etc. couldn't know we had them or re-engineer them. Please watch "MUNICH" and "LONE SURVIVOR". PS This is a super accurate movie
2:03 my new ringtone
I agree that Jessica Chastain acted really well. Loved your reaction
Zero Dark 30 is military lingo for 30 minutes after midnight.
Yayy.❤ Wicked movie.!
And, What a lovely singing voice you have Shaun.😋 lol.
For your next horror movie from the 80s? PLEASE do "Creepshow" (1982) Stephen King with George Romero (who did Night of the Living Dead, Dawn Of the Dead). It's a must-see for you guys.
Went see A Quiet Place 2 tonight with my brother and two of my niece's instead of watching the England/Scotland game and I think we made the right choice.Great film 👍🏼
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE ...DO YOU NOT HAVE THE BALLS TO REACTE TO THIS TIMELESS MASTERPICE ???
The heart of the film is a detective story - Treat yourselves and watch the best detective movie ever made - the original The Day of the jackal.
Recomend: The Hurt Locker (by the same director of this), the movie won the oscar to best film.
Yes the helicopter did actually crash during the raid on the compound
Must watch Eye in the Sky!! I never wanted to buy bread so bad in my life. You will understand at the end of the movie 😂😢🥺
Perhaps it didn't "grab" you because it showed what hunting these people down is really like - dull, repetitive, slow, frustrating, information collection. In the same way that the world of James Bond doesn't reflect the Secret Service but something like 'Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy' does - especially the BBC TV series starring Sir Alec Guinness.
TTSS is a definite watch
Ironicially the actual capture of Hussein didn't really go down like this film portrayed. Just a fluffy propaganda flic
@@alexbaker9578 It's not.
@@alexbaker9578 Oh, you were there?
Wow, the production quality of these videos just gets better and better - they even managed to find some sunlight in England...or has the channel taken off that much you can afford to pay for some CGI sun?
And now they're actually looking at each other. LOL!
You guys are funny as fuck man lol. Nice vid
Ah yes! “Thirty minutes past midnight”
I loved this movie, it was extremely suspenseful watching this in theater. Fun fact, it was nominated for 5 Oscar Awards :)
Lone Survivor is a great film and also a true story. If you haven't seen it yet I hope you'll react to it. The combat was intense.
the thing about all the torture they depict in this movie is that it never actually amounted to any actionable details to go on. the problem with torture is that the detainee will tell you anything to get you to stop. most good intel comes from actually trying to help the detainee. maybe not them personally but making them a promise to make sure their family is taken care of ect. ect. that the kind of work that get you actionable intel. it also doesn't blow up in your face when the public finds out all the horrible shit you did to people that lead to nothing.
It feels like everyone who worked on this had a different opinion on torture. I imagine there were a lot of discussions around the water cooler while they were making it. Telling this story you can't not show the torture at all, I don't think, and if you're making a movie it's not advisable to spend a lot of time showing something like that and not have it pay off somehow. Various people involved with "Zero Dark Thirty" have said that this was a thorny issue that they wrestled with throughout production. Someone else here mentioned them having to rewrite the last third after current events caught up with the story they were telling - the film's attitude toward torture would have been clearer if they didn't have a real life 'victory' to end the movie with.
One reason this movie faded so quickly, I think, is that it couldn't adequately stand up to accusations that it was justifying torture. I think those scenes will look worse to new audiences as time goes on and Bin Laden recedes even further from the all powerful bogeyman image he represented for so long. The way the film takes a step back and remains somewhat noncommittal on the issue was the correct way to do it. The film came out when we were still coming to terms with the fact that these things happened at all. Having said that, a disturbingly large chunk of America sees nothing wrong with torturing and killing black and brown people.
Psychological torture/manipulation works much better than physical torture. People lie to stop the pain so most of the time it’s useless information, best way is to make them feel like your trying to help them, then people let their guard down.
Zero Dark Thirty is a great film, in my opinion. This film got robbed in terms of Oscar wins because some of the torture scenes could be seen as a tacit endorsement of the CIAs Enhanced Interrogation Program. I think that both things can be true: Torture is very bad (and illegal) AND it definitely played a major part in finding and killing UBL.
You guys should really see 1917.
Reaction recorded, coming soon 😊
@@CinemaRules Woohoo!
Awright!
This movie is really good. Probably not the most accurate (they never are) but its good movie. Also Shaun's cover of the universal studio's theme was beautiful. Great reaction/view.
It's glaring innacuracies render it little more than a pro torture propaganda film
Yes, the prototype helicopter had a problem and really did a successful crash landing.
Correct me if I'm wrong but sadly the Team Seal that got Osama they all died except by one sole survivor.
You should watch United 93. Talk about intense.
Ya'll should check out Super Troopers 1 & 2 for a comedy movie watch
7.7 and 7.2? Did we watch the same movie? Resolution to the characters? They’re real people or compositions of many. Not much needs to be shown unless they decide to tell you with some text. This movie is more 8-8.5. But still enjoy your reaction even if I disagree with the ratings.
I think our main issue with the film is with the pacing rather then the “characters”
@@CinemaRules Well, guys, I didn’t mind the pacing because like you said, it couldn’t be rushed. Enjoyed the reaction, anyway, and looking forward to the next one.
Please please please consider Bigelow’s Strange Days! No one ever discusses that film and it’s awesome
They destroyed the aircraft to leave no technology or any other gear left behind for the enemy to use against them later
You should watch Dark Waters….true story.
not sure if you guys have seen these but you should watch 13 hours and lone survivor
Can you guys please watch the movie "the pianist" 2002 , its a great movie
They should definitely watch this film.
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Cannot recommend Near Dark enough. My absolute favourite vampire movie. Another classic Bigelow movie is Point Break. Keanu Reeve and Patrick Swayze. Strange Days is a fairly decent scifi classic. She collaborated with her ex hubby James Cameron on that one.
Really man? Suprised. Loved this movie.. Felt real. It's supposed to be slow it supposed to show you how tedious it is and what they had to go through and her persistence
Point Break next classic 90's movie
Due to watching your reaction video I rewatched this film last night & I enjoyed it a lot more than the first time which was several years ago, so it’s definitely a few which grows with repeat viewings.
The slow pace reminded me of The Godfather films which I tried to watch in my early teens but found it too boring & slow paced, I found I needed to grow up & watch films by Martin Scorsese, Quintin Tarantino & Oliver Stone’s JFK.
My rating for this film is 8 out of 10.
Burn After Reading by Coen bros for your next dark comedy!
This is a GREAT film, guys. More of a whodunit really. Brilliant stuff. "When you lie to me, I hurt you."
You need to do United 93
I always look forward to your reactions and reviews 🎉
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7.2 for me, btw, i was abit lost on who this ''Jack'' dude were that Jessica's character didnt fuck apparently?