I think Otis is such a degenerate liar that we'll never know from those messed up confessions. Could've happened, but I don't think so...he just loved the attention! Dahmer cutting up bodies and his perverse obsessions...are more of a possibility to me. Great video!!!
I do not even remotely think Jeffrey Dahmer was involved in this. I am very familiar with Jeffrey's pattern and have read all and watched every interview with him and also his father Lionel. Although some of his vitims were in their teens, he was not a predator of children and never would have been in a public place during the day to snatch a child. This may sound terrible - but keeping the head would have meant more to him. And he used drugs abd strangulation before he then do the things he did. Every one of his victims were invited by Jeffrey to go to his home - he did not kidnap anyone.
@@3.75istheway7 I wasn't aware of that 🥺 in the series on Netflix it was determined that the victims were suppose to get the profits from his book. I honestly don't know so no hard feelings please
You can never leave your kids out of your sight, I learned this from Mister Walsh before I was a father, Adam did not die in vain, His death saved many children from the monsters, God bless him and his poor family.
So true I was only 11 when this happened....our world changed we could not go anywhere alone. I believe it was Dalhmer as well. I have studied this case because it was so prominent. He had all the boxes checked. But, but I really believe it was not a job done alone, these predators all work together in these cases in my opinion......
He did die in vain. People are still trusting people with their kids. That child that came from you, your flesh and blood gets sent off to schools and other activities. Where do you think pedos get jobs? They get jobs where they have unlimited access to your children. Blind trust is negligent. If you wouldn’t hand them your keys to your car and your bank account info and debit card and PIN number why trust them with your kids? Aren’t your children worth more than money or possessions? Yet people guard their stuff more than their kids.
The guilt that that poor mother must have lived with for the rest of her life for having allowed her son to stay at the video game display I can't begin to imagine. The Adam Walsh case has always scared the crap out of me. So horrifying.
That was normal back then especially if you were just going 1 or 2 aisles over. Kids pretty much knew to stay where their parents left them, but if a adult in charge told you to leave you would leave because adult.
@@LoneWolfj11 In the 1970s, I used to have to wait to get picked up after girl scouts. I was technically a sitting duck. Glad that I was pretty oblivious to that fact. I was just annoyed that I had to wait while it was getting dark for my mother to remember to pick me up.
In the early 80's as a teen, two of my best friends and I were walking down the road to a creek that we often fished at out in the country at my fathers house. There was talk of a white van going around picking up kids at that time in the area but growing up in the country we were kinda alert to things and knew the area well. One day as we were walking back, a white van pulled up along side us along the road. We stopped momentarily and the side door slid open on the van. My friend was a bit of a trickster and always did crazy crap. He picked up a rock and threw it at the truck hitting the side of it. Well that made them mad then a guy with a mask on yelled at him and jumped out. We shot out through the woods and ran like heck. We all knew the back way through the forest to our houses. We all made it back to the power line which ran behind my friends house and meet up at there. Not seeing the van or the dude, we started walking the power line toward the house. There was a section of the line that was exposed for a short distance to another side road and as we walked by it, here came the van. It stopped, we ran again as fast as possible and came to my friends house. We told his mom who called the cops and they came out there and meet with us. Anyway, the van was nowhere to be found. It was a scary event. A couple of weeks later, the same van rode by his house but this time his uncle was there and he is a hunter, so we jumped into his truck and followed the van and got the license number. After that, we never saw it again. They messed with a bunch of country boys and about got caught. Never did hear what became of the van.
Oh dear Lord! So glad those guys(whoever they were)didn’t succeed in catching you, or things would have turned out much differently. It’s a terrifying thought but you may not have been here writing this scary tale on this thread! You should always be thankful you got away safe. God bless.
I am seriously dumb founded right now. It's interesting that Ted Bundy had a hard time admitting to his youngest victim. Almost like they are embarrassed or ashamed of raping, mutilating and murdering a child. Adults are fine. That is where they draw the line.
🥺 it could've happened because Otis wasn't Mr. Trustworthy, but this theory really makes me wonder now...this case breaks my heart still to this day. I was a kid back then too and it caused a panic all over the USA. RIP little Adam.
I lived thru this when it went down we were all terrified. I was 14 and had a toddler sister and my mom would always leave us in sears to play free Atari while she shopped. Everyones moms did this till it happened. Sears pulled all their Atari displays. It literally changed our lives as young kids. When Adams decapitated body was found in the canal our innocence was lost!
@@withgoddess8029 ok most parents. The 70s 80s were different times. Our parents would let us go to toy dept while mom shopped. I personally always stayed in the car and listened to the radio. I wish things could of stayed like that. But unfortunately times have changed and we need to be vigilant always. I have 2 sons 31 and 14 and I couldn't leave the either. It's sad how the world has changed.
@@vonniedemers5683 that was my point. Game Rooms in malls were another popular spot to leave your kid with a couple bucks of quarters while you shopped. Most moms did this back then but not after this happened 🤷🏼♀️.
@@carolempie114 yeah I couldn’t remember which part as a kid I just knew because I had to ask my mom what decapitated meant. I kept hearing that word on the news.
@@godisreality7014 now THIS is the real good advice. At least 4% of all males experience a primary attraction to children. This doesn’t even include the males who are primarily attracted to adult men and women, but would abuse a child if the opportunity arose, and they felt that they could get away with it. That’s a much larger percentage of the male population.
The blue van, the headless body, the witnesses of the van in the area, the bloody Pizza Place crawl space are enough. But for me the main reason I feel that it was Dahmer that killed 6 yr. old Adam Walsh is that Jeffrey's Dad believes it was him.
@@WVgrl59 Dahmer even said to a police officer when questioned "Anyone who killed Adam Walsh could never live in prison" Implying they would be killed for being a pedophile and child murderer. That and he would have been extradited to Florida which has the death penalty and he would have obviously gotten the death penalty. That and Dahmer was ashamed of being a pedophile and didnt want anyone to know. The killer that confessed to it was borderline mentally retarded and falsely confessed to over a hundred murders.
Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Jeffery... He's a murderer. He's a psychopath. He loves control. If he can hold onto information simply because he can, what's to stop him? He didn't have to confess. He's in control. The Walsh case was blowing up. I think he liked it that way. just because the little boy wasn't his common kill does not mean that he couldn't have possibly done it. Unfortunately, we don't know the true answers *yet.*
@@nated5544 But how big was the population of that part of Florida then? What, was it this poky little town? Florida surely got lots of non-residential visitors and touristd from across the U.S. Who doesn't love warm year-round weather amd sunny skies and beaches? Adam.was taken from Hollywood Mall. Malls in the 80s were super popular hangouts and places for people to shop. It would've attracted lots of people. Everyone needs to shop somewhere, and in the 80s, there were no Internet malls. Yes, Dahmer did at one time live in Florida, and he might've even been to that mall and been seen there by a witness who later got the dates confused. Or simply that witnesses got it wrong, were confused, mistakenly identified someone as Dahmer etc. In fact, eyewitnesses get it wrong more often than the public realizes. Human memory is fallible. People are prone to getting things mixed up, making mistakes, being influenced by media reports, rumors and stories. And in some cases, people come forward claiming to have sern this or that, for the attention, to be interviewed and see their faces in the news, or to feel like they have important information and are therefore important, etc. Police are well aware that they may often receive information and tips that are not true or relevant, anf and even get people coming forward to confess who clearly didn't do it.
What a relief. We have all taken chances.. With little regard of the dangers. As a child we roamed all over or little town not a care in the world. Although, I did encounter a few Pervs in my own neighborhood.Age 10 - 15. I never told..same.. 1969/ 1970. I didn't tell anyone except my girlfriend. Shame, is why no one comes forward. Why do children feel so much shame they don't know what to do. Hello, age 66 it still weighs on my mind if other kids in my neighborhood where approached. I was hired to clean a neighbor ladies home. Ok. Centerfolds opened everywhere. Clue. . My mother didn't understand why I wouldn't ever work for her... She unplugged my sweeper and started kissing my neck. Omg, I left and never came back. But, I never told. Even the member if my family still don't KNOW.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to doubt Dahmer had anything to do with this too. He wasn't into abducting small children. His thing was luring other gay men to his apartment and drugging them up so he could over power them to do as he wanted with them. Killing them. Little kids were not his thing.
@@JDJoshofficial Well it’s just the fact that he was so quick to admit everything, he didn’t hold anything back he let it all out he knew he was going to get caught sooner than later, he had no problem going to jail and paying for what he has done. Not that somebody could really pay for those sins. It’s just the fact that he was so quick and had no problems to tell what he had done he told every detail and he remembered every name of his victim. I don’t know I just think that he wouldn’t hide another murder. And just cause people think it’s a kid and he didn’t want that kind of problem in jail I mean he killed a 14-year-old boy and he had already admitted to that.
I feel like dahmer had a very specific type he was attracted to and it wasn’t little boys. I also feel like he would’ve admitted it. I’ve seen all of his interviews and he doesn’t seem to have any inhibition about discussing the crimes.
Totally agree. BUT! We read a really compelling argument that was all about the idea that Adam wasn’t the first child ‘Dahmer’ tried to snatch in Florida, but he wasn’t successful with the others. And then, the high profile level Adam’s case went to made him ‘change his MO,’ to picking up more marginalized people who wouldn’t be as high profile. But in his early years he was exposing himself in playgrounds to small kids… For me, it’s one of those cases where it’s kind of like…I could see that. And if not Dahmer then someone besides Ottis Toole. Just reading the transcripts it’s like…mmmm…no. And the idea that so many psychos might have been in a Florida Sears at one time. Let’s never leave the house again. 😳
@@TrueCrimeRecaps you no this statement really makes sense! I read everything on Adams case, I always felt Otis would have admitted he did it, but adamantly said he did not.
@@TrueCrimeRecaps , great theory and job as always! However, growing up near Dahmer and going to Revere High School together, Adam Walsh doesn't fit his type. He was a dark soul and very specific on the type of victims he liked. He even abused his service members. He came from a broken home and left alone often, to fend for himself. His mother was nuts. I could go on forever. As a former Forensic Pathologist, I worked on the dig at his house after the news broke about his Milwaukee crimes, to find any evidence of his first kill, Steven Hicks and possibly more human remains. Animals would go missing in the neighborhood often. Classic early signs of a serial killer. It goes on and on. Definitely glad he's gone.
Hi Amy. That was exceptional. A complicated story, really well told, with a wonderful injection of humanity. You and Chris....both big favourites of mine.♡♡
@@DodgerJim right ? This is ridiculous. Serial killers almost never change the M.O. Dahmer wasn't a pedophile, the youngest victim he had was a teenager... Anyone who believes this is ridiculously gullible.
Great job as always. The thought that evidence or samples can be "lost" from such a tragic and important case is abhorrent. We aren't talking about GTA or something like that we are talking about a child's murder! It's infuriating when you hear of this. This was a very interesting episode. Great job and keep it up!
So many times my brothers and I used to go to the toy Dept in Sears. We even went to this Sears for our school shopping. After Adam went missing, we never left her side. Total tragedy, the family has never really had closure.
Adam's case is the reason I watched my kids extra closely. That happened when I was a teen and it scared the hell out of me. All our parents let us go check out the toy isles. There was always some weird guy trying to talk to the kids,as a kid you dont know it's wrong or weird. Because of Adam I never left my kids unsupervised in public. ♥️ I'm still so sickened by there sons death,think it affected a lot of us.
@@karlahartman4220 they paid the ultimate price for it too. I didn't know how long he was alone, I just never turned my back when my kids were with me period. On the television program they made out like his mother just turned her back a few seconds.
I wouldn't put anything past Dahmer, or any serial killer. A child too young? Yeah, right. These are monsters who are willing to do anything, at least once, to try it out.
And the 10year killing hiatus he claimed was kind of unbelievable. Makes me think that maybe after he killed Steven in '78, he was itching to kill someone after he was dismissed from the army in '81 and found Adam. Maybe, he just lie low from '81-'87 because Adam's case was too high profile that he might have easily been caught if he made another kill immediately. So he just said it was '78-'87 hiatus to keep himself away from Adam's case.
@@aeliseyang9812 THATS EXACTLY what I said. Killing Adam Walsh may not have been to fulfill a sexual desire but it was probably simply Jeffrey wanting to act on his urge to kill and mutilate. and Little Adam was just an easy target at the moment. And Jeffrey himself has even admitted being so drunk that he didn’t remember or recall how one or some of his victims died. So Jeffrey is full of sh*t. He told the story HE wanted to tell and left out a lot of stuff in between probably both INTENTIONALLY and unintentionally due to him being so inebriated that he didn’t remember. In my opinion Jeffrey Dahmer Killed Adam Walsh. growing up in Miami during that era I was a kid too. So it’s so unbelievable that all that terror I recall feeling as a kid in Miami during the 80’s after Adam disappearance ended up having this Jeffrey Dahmer twist. I’ve followed this story since it broke on the news in the 90’s and have been haunted by it and intrigued by it ever since. It’s mind boggling to think John Walsh was comfortable with the outcome of this story of Otis Toole being blamed. For me ALL clues seem to point DIRECTLY to Jeff Dahmer smh
*I've said that for years now...that all the police are interested in doing is closing a case...they don't care how or if an innocent person is convicted as long as the case is closed.* If the police zero in on a suspect they believe committed a crime, it does not matter what the evidence points to...they will ignore all other people and the real evidence! As a person who watches a lot of crime shows...it's so frustrating to see the perp right there and the police just won't even look in that direction! Scary sad!
It’s more the conclusion that Walsh fixated on. They don’t really know it was Ottis, they don’t know if it was dahmer they don’t even know anything really at all. It’s all speculation and having to hope Ottis was telling the truth but seems unlikely.
This horrible tragedy happened 5 years after we moved from Hollywood Florida. I spent many Saturdays in the toy department at that Sears. God Speed To Adam and all of the victims of these monsters.
Well, it wasn't actually a minute. The time frame was debated. But even if it had been an hour, they were in a famous store, Sears, in a busy and popular mall, not some dusty little store out in the middle of nowhere. It was daytime, shoppers were everywhere, and Sears had its own security staff. And it was the early 80s. Crimes of this brazen nature just weren't on anybody's radar then. I remember being a kid in the early 80s, and kids would stray away from their parents in the supermarket etc., and it qas no big deal. At some point, their parents would find them. Or at worst, the kid would get picked up by staff and there'd be an announcement over the P.A. asking parents to collect their child. And lots of kids played outside, in front of the supermarket on those coin operated rides, alone and unsupervised by an adult. Kids also rode bikes around on their own, played in their neighborhood without an adult, took bus rides etc. It was so common in the 70s and 80s.
I think Dahmer is a great candidate and I don't think he would confess because he would be labeled a child killer in prison but, of course, he was killed by another prisoner ultimately.
HOW have I not heard of this theory before??!!! I never believed Otis had anything to do with Adam... don't know why. It just didn't"click" for me. This, however, does! Damn you 2 are good. Couldn't hurt play fast enough when I read the title!! Thank you!
That was fascinating!! I never knew Dahmer was a suspect, always heard it was O'Toole. That sweet boy....I remember being a kid myself and hearing about what happened to him. My parents told me to never talk to strangers or else something like that could happen to me. It worked because it was such a scary thought. It's difficult to fathom how a person could be so cruel to an innocent child. Breaks my heart.
@@reck1224 the thing is...he was in the area..drove the same color van and years later when Dahmer was arrested, one of the kids with Adam saw his picture and said that he was the guy in the store that approached them. So it makes you wonder. When he was shown the pic of the guy who confessed he said it wasn't him
I totally believe it! I studied this case for years. This case fits Jeffrey Dahmer's method of operation. Jeffrey collected heads and in most cases disposed of the bodies, Adams's head was found but his little body never was. Jeffrey kept heads in his refrig so decomp would be slowed in Adams case. Jeffrey also had engaged in minors later in life and was charged at least once. Jeffrey was a trained Army field Medic, so Jeffrey knew the anatomy and how to dismember a body. Jeffrey is the killer of Adam but did not admit to it due to the age of Adam, knowing Prison would not be kind. Witnesses put him in the Mall and Witness put him at the location where the head was found. - Ottis Toole was a liar and admitted to murders that were not true. Otis was an opportunist murderer for money or food and of course fire.
I agree. The first thing that stuck out to me was only the head remained. That was a big Dahmer thing. The fact that he had access to a blue van, was sketched, in the area, and was probably just starting off in his serial killer career would make sense. Once he got heat on the news, he probably realized this was a bad idea and didn't want to draw any attention to himself. Plus, not all serial killers start out with their "one type", some experiment. He used to experiment with animals, why not kids? He easily could have eaten the body.
Nah. I don’t believe it. Dahmer was a marked man bc of his crimes in general so adding a kid into wouldn’t change anything. He liked them young but not that young. Any prolific killer that is all over the news is gonna have a super hard time wherever they’re put. The killers in there would go after Dahmer just to make a name for themselves. Besides, like she mentioned, Florida had the death penalty. He wouldn’t have even been placed within a regular prison but death row. If anything, that would have made his time more comfortable.
@@Garbeaux. Adam Walsh murder occurred years before Dahmer went full out killing spree starting in 1987, Dahmer was Discharged in Mar of 1981 and was in FL. Dahmer normally disposed of the bodies and kept the heads- Adam Walsh Body was never found only the head. Eyewitness accounts placed Dahmer and the blue van at the location the head was found. Eyewitness accounts also placed Dahmer at the Mall that day,
I agree. Dahmer gets overlooked for some reason. Toole is a compulsive liar straight up. People forget or don't realize what other inmates do to people convicted of hurting a child, I believe Dahmer knew that as well.
Wow!!! My mind is blown on this one!! I never believed the two men did it but blew my mind when Dahlmer was added into the equation! It wouldn’t surprise me if he did kill Adam Walsh. He knew the severity of killing kids in jail!
@@LL-ip5mm articles ive read said he was living on the beach..maybe he didn't hsve the resources to keep the body parts and didn't want to risk walking around with the pictures
I do not believe it is true at all - and actually in an interview he gave which may have been the last interview he was asked the question re race. He clarified that it was not a racial thing. It was just about wanting someone attractive to him and in the area he lived in there were people of varied ethnicities - but he did not select people based on race but on attractiveness to him. He was not attracted to children and as odd as it seems I would hate that people wrongly attach crimes to him.
@@Lisacrazed Not even Walsh believed that it was Dahmer and nobody knows more about this case than him. And yes, it did matter, like it matters to almost every serial killer. A pedophile will rarely rape and kill a grown man.
I think his sexual attraction was all over the place. He had no “type” I think towards his later years before his capture he developed a “type” because most of the gay men who he approached were black
I was 10 when this happened and I remember it vividly. It really shook me (along with Dahmer). I always thought the case seemed odd and never felt like it was closed. This makes SO much more sense!
It could’ve been either of them, but we’ll probably never know. An even scarier thought is that it was someone else completely….there were A LOT of serial killers running amok during that era and it was far easier to get away with those sorts of crimes back then, today the technology and communications make it much more difficult to sustain serial type killings.
Super cute huh!?! I bet they skipped around feeding each other cotton candy and held hands while butterflies fluttered around them and bubble hearts popped above their heads.
@@CoExist64 those 2 should have had no rights ! They took many ppl who were loved rights away ! Are u serious? Their rights 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I quess their victims rights to love don't matter ! U need to check yr self!
I don’t think Dahmer had anything to do with Adam’s brutal death. Even though he killed a 14-year old in the past, Adam was not “his type”. Dahmer preferred his victims mostly non-Caucasian and older (18+) by the victimology. I really do think it was someone else & not Toole neither. 😳😳😳
What if Dahmer started off earlier killing boys, teens and men. And settled into teens and men for some reason. Doesn't mean he didn't do it because it's not his M.O. Serial killers are usually psychopaths so I'm sure a psychopath isn't going to discriminate on age. Bottom line, Dahmer liked victims of male orientation. I highly doubt he wasn't capable of killing a boy(s) early in his career as a serial killer
@@itzcapondabeat Rt. Most killers start with animals to see if they can do it and gradually start to kill humans. I wouldn't put anything past someone who is blood thirsty.
@@saraho9568 ~ If you reread my comment carefully, you will see the way I worded it was that Dahmer *PREFERRED NON~Caucasians*. I didn’t indicate *only* noncaucasians. Where did you get THAT from my comment ⁉️😳
@@itzcapondabeat ~ I didn’t say that Dahmer *didn’t* kill Adam. Reread my comment carefully. I said *”I don’t think”* I ALSO DIDN’T SUGGEST in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM that he wasn’t capable of killing Adam. Where did you get THAT from my comment ⁉️😳
Just because Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t known for killing children, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have. Around this time period of his life it seems like he was either constantly drunk or high. Who knows what he was capable of in those types of conditions.
I'm 43 and leaving kids alone in cars, at home after school alone etc.....was just the way it was...I feel awful for what this mother prob dealt with after her son was murdered. I'm sure the guilt was immense. But she did nothing that any other parent didn't do at that time.
Well its about time...there was a journalist that ,later wrote a book about having bumped into Jeffrey Dahmer,in Florida ,the same day & location that Adam Walsh disappeared from..
I was born and raised in Vero Beach, you can't imagine how the death of this sweet boy changed our lives! His loss ensured we were all photographed and fingerprinted so that God forbid it happened to one of us, authorities would have our info, it saved lives! It also knocked the naivete off our parents and woke them up to the very dangerous world we live in, up to this point danger to children wasn't even a passing thought.
This just gave me chills. My family were friends with the walsh family. My memories of my childhood are very few. Dont really know why. But i remember mom telling me something bad happened to Adam. I didnt get the story till i was a teenager. I was kept from news around the case. My mother would not let me out of her sight till i was a teen and we had moved.
You might want to go back and check the recent disclosures from Adam's sister. She has some interesting things to say, doesn't paint her father in such a great light. And his own past makes one question.
Many serial killers start with children because they are easier to kidnap and have control over. Then tbey upgrade to adults. One of his known victims was 14. Also, we don't know if it was only one child because Dahmer had been overseas prior to being in Florida. Dahmer was known to work about 1.5 miles from that mall; had access to a blue van; looked like the stretch of an attempted male child kidnapper at another mall 2 weeks earlier,; had reported a dead man to the police; and blended in better as a normal looking guy versus Otis Toole, who was rather homeless, gross looking.
Adam and I were born same month, year and 4 days apart. I remember when he went missing and all the news about it. I have NEVER heard the Jeffrey Dahmer theory not once until I just watched this. Interesting stuff... Happy early bday to you Adam Walsh 🥳
Dahmer probably wasn’t trying to avoid the death penalty. He wanted the death penalty and wanted to die. When he was murdered in prison, he made no attempts to resist in any way. He openly felt he should die for what he did and believed he was sinning against God by merely continuing to live. His victims all had a particular look. A 6 year old doesn’t fit his mold. Seems like you really don’t understand Dahmer at all.
That day my mom was going to take us to sears to play with that day. When we woke up. ...mom said she had a terrible dream about going. She said that we are not going to sears. Mom said years later she said her dream is That my brother's head was in a body of water. And omg I freaking remember that man. He freaking bothered my brother when we were there. Holy cow. Now I freaking out
So did you or did you not go to Sears that day? First you said your mom didn't take you, then you said you remember seeing him there that day. Which is it? Or, most likely, neither one.
John Walsh is a moron. Otis admitted ad denied killing Adam multiple times. He was f@$king with the police. Dahmer was in the area drove a blue van and was even at the exact spot were they found Adam's head. Plus the witness described someone who looked just like Dahmer. That's way too many coincidences to be nothing.
I don't believe that Dahmer wanted to known as a young child killer because of how bad that would make him look to other prisoners . I mean they killed him anyway but he didn't know this would happen but knew it would be a distinct possibility if they knew of that young of a child murder
Thank you for another interesting video. I've always felt that the Sears security guard was scapegoated over the whole thing. Kids can't be allowed to run free and be rowdy in department stores. If she did put Adam out along with the others, she wasn't responsible for his death. Your bringing out that Adam may have been lured and abducted before she even encountered the boys is an important point. If Adam had been with the boys, I think she would have checked on his story and returned him to his mom. The case for Dahmer being the murderer is much stronger than the case for Otis Toole being the murderer. The police don't seem to have ever made a serious investigation of Dahmer being the murderer. The problem is that none of this makes a strong enough case to say that Dahmer was the murderer. People's recollections can be wrong. Someone who looks a bit like someone who scared a kid can seem scary. The people who have identified Dahmer may be reacting to the trauma that they felt and confusing a known monster with an unknown monster that they actually saw.
Poor Adam. This makes alot of sense. This is the first time I have ever heard of this theory. It seems very possible. I believe this could have happened.
The amount of new information I learned about both Adam Walsh and Jeffrey Dahmer in this video is amazing.. I almost didn't watch because I thought I knew everything about Dahmer but this.. my mind is blown.. I really hope that John gets to reclaim the rest of his son's body before he leaves this Earth.. just for his peace of mind, a completion after solving so many cases and saving so many lives.. just that one little thing that isn't so little... Anywho, subscribed 👌🏼
As soon as you said it was Ottis Toole (best pal of Henry Lee Lucas) who had confessed I immediately knew it wasn’t him. They both lied constantly claiming murders they didn’t commit, and the mush for brain detectives ate it all up. Going to finish rest of recap/video now lol Based on eye witness testimony (even though it’s not very reliable), and mostly on the fact he was in that specific area during that time I think it’s highly probable that Dahmer had something to do with Adam’s death. Dahmer’s preference was male and he was an organized opportunistic killer. He also liked to lure and then basically kidnap his victims so that he could possess them. It was probably Adam’s death causing such a massive nationwide media frenzy which caused him to change his victim pool to that of low society black/minority/homosexual males, because he could get away with it easier. Unfortunately he was right. Dahmer was also big on decapitating his victims along with many other gruesome acts. I hate to think it was Dahmer who killed sweet Adam, because his last moments would have been that of horrifying torture. I just hope that the Walsh family is able to find the rest of his remains and put him to rest one day. Unlikely as that is all these years later.
Dahmer even said to a police officer when questioned "Anyone who killed Adam Walsh could never live in prison" Implying they would be killed for being a pedophile and child murderer. That and he would have been extradited to Florida which has the death penalty and he would have obviously gotten the death penalty. That and Dahmer was ashamed of being a pedophile and didn't want anyone to know, his own father called John Walsh and said his son (Jeff) was a pedophile and probably killed his son. The killer that confessed to it was borderline mentally retarded and falsely confessed to over a hundred murders. Ntm all the other "coincidences" If Otis had really killed him he would have been able to tell them where the remains were. Dahmer couldn't tell them where the remains were because of the above-mentioned.
When I was a kid in elementary school in NY through the 80’s, every year we would be warned to look out for a blue van approaching children. The school would send us home with letters to give our parents about the blue van! Is this where the whole blue van thing came from?
That Dahmer creep really was a chameleon! I would never pick him for being the same person in any of those photos shown here. It's a lucky break that any eyewitnesses picked him out at all. His eyes must have been pretty menacing when face to face if they recognized him so confidently in a lineup.
Being a child killer is horrible in prison. Inmates can fear and respect a cannibal killer, but not a child killer. Being known to have killed Adam would have been a death sentence in prison and Jeff was smart enough to know that.
I will never forget Adam Walsh. I will never forget this horrific tragedy. I do not let my kids out if my sight, because this impacted me and stuck with me. Thank God for “ code Adam”. Thank God Mr. Walsh took his unbearable pain and used it to find other missing children. Everyone who remembers this time, will always love little Adam.
Well said.I think of Adam if I even see a Sears store to this day.I think of the movie.A couple times when I couldn't find my daughter for like 10 seconds at Target. I would think of sweet Adam and that a monster got him.Complete sick /panic in those few seconds.
Wow!!!!! This theory makes a lot of sense. Even though Dahmer wanted grown men for sex before murdering them, i never thought of any connection but given all the possibilities, and being that he was a monster!!!!! poor Adam might have been his victim. God keep his soul of this little angel.
Maybe Dahmer didn’t want to confess to killing Adam Walsh because it would have put his own life at risk. Prisons are known to have caste systems with child predators at the bottom and the Adam Walsh case was so famous that Dahmer feared vigilante justice from fellow prisoners. Then, he was murdered by an inmate anyway. EDIT: I paused to type this comment, then you said it Amy! 🤦🏼♀️
Technically Jeff wouldn’t care if his life was at risk, because he said in a interview. He said if anyone wanted to kill him. He said he deserved to die for what he did and cause, that what exactly what happened to him. So I didn’t really think what’s too concerned, about his safety of his life.
@@Aaron-MackHartford While I respect your opinion, I disagree. Believing he deserved to die and actually wanting to die are not the same. Let’s say a child breaks a rule and gets caught. He may think he deserves to be grounded, but he still does not want to be.
I hate to say this but my son was born 1986 and I tell what, I would never have left my son alone in a department store ever! You ALWAYS have to keep and eye on your child, never letting them out of your sight. I was born 1965 and I was sent to the corner store to buy milk by myself age I believe 8 or 9, and almost got picked up myself, but thank fully I got away. I feel awful for the Walsh family and the pain they must feel for the lost of there son.
I was sent to the cornor store to get cigarettes for my babysitter. They sold em to me and all I told them was I'm getting g these fir Janet and they were like sure what are you 5 sure
Not buying it. Several reasons. Doesn’t fit the MO of Dahmer. Serial killer profiles are very accurate. I think this is a case of coincidence and frequency illusion. You start thinking you remember something happening to you because you see it numerous times later. Dahmer also always wore his glasses. The person isn’t wearing glasses in the police sketch. JD was attracted to men’s chests. He was obsessed with body cavities combined with his sexuality. He also didn’t go very far from his homes. He admitted everything at the end. Why would he leave this part out?
I think dahmer did it. I think murdering a 6 year old was too repulsive for him, and he didn't want to do it again, nor admit to it. A 6 year old seemed like an easier target for him. When he admitted to the other murders, he was basically bragging and reliving them in his mind. Something happened with Adam that he didn't want to recall, or brag about. Cops will absolutely loose (destroy) evidence and coach a suspect in order to close a case. They are under pressure and it's easier to work on what they already have in hand, than to beat the streets doing leg work. Have to remember, they are lazy for the most part. They still want their promotions and elected officials want to be re-elected. Citizens want answers. Officials don't like answering reporters questions unless they have positive answers that remove them from the hot seat. RIP to all child victims.
That was a great recap Amy!! Idk what to think about Dahmer being responsible 🤔At this point, not much surprises me. He very well could have been but something is telling me that he wasn’t. But.....ya never know! Love you and Chris and TCR!! Great upload!!
Eh, I don't think either Dahmer or Tool was responsible for his death. Dahmer had young victims, but I'm positive none of them were underneath the age of 12 or 13. I think if Dahmer had done that, given the level of sadism he had, he would have had victims of a similar age. Dahmer had a type and he is on record saying that. I also think he knew that if he targeted POC men and boys there would be barely any more attention on him than killing a white man or boy. I do think it's purely coincidental; they tried to pin Ed Kemper on some of Bundy's murders and they also tried doing the same with BTK and other murders around that area. It seems like pure speculation Dahmer was in that mall the same time as Adam -- but also, I'm sure Hollywood wasn't that big of a city during that time, so it might not be so unusual as you think it is.
Dahmer wanted to have total control over another human being. That was one of the motives. I think he was the one who did it because of the people who said they saw him and because of the blue van. His crimes were horrendous, but the killing of an innocent child in that manner, even more deprived, and don’t they say that even in prison there is a hierarchy in which crimes committed against children puts the inmate in danger? The other inmates will look at him as the lowest of the low. He confessed to everything that was already brought to light and couldn’t be hidden. Ted Bundy wouldn’t talk about the the one known child he raped and killed either.
@@aflawedhuman2046 well to be fair he was a drifter in Miami so him keeping a head wouldn’t be that convenient like it was when he lived with his grandparents and lived alone
This just creeps me out. How could John and Reve' Walsh be so convinced, after all these years, that it was Otis Toole and not Dahmer? I'm really confused now. I almost didn't watch this because I didn't want to 'muddy the waters' with these distractions. But, some of the info is rather compelling. 😲.....😣
@@sassybanjo3586 How ironic to just get your comment today -- 9 mos after I left my comment on this Adam Walsh-related video and the possibility of a different perpetrator than Otis Toole. Just about 10 days ago I stumbled upon a couple of videos with Meghan Walsh, and I was shocked to hear HER tales of life with the Walshes and with the circles they run in. Now, granted, she does seem to have some problems of her own, but it also sounds like John & Reve' have some real dysfunctional, control issues that have impacted their daughter and led to extreme measures in taking custody of her children and taking away her financial support. What us 'regular' people don't know about the rich and well-connected, is sometimes very disturbing to learn. SMDH.
idk, not really Dahmer's M.O.....Sure Konerak was 14, but that's obviously post-puberty and he clearly convinced 2 cops that he was at least 19, Dahmer has no pre-pubescent victims, AND Konerak was the outlier, the rest were grown men...additionally Dahmer wouldn't abandon body parts, ESPECIALLY skulls, he wouldn't toss a victims skull anywhere, he'd especially covet that.
No matter how many times I’ve heard/watched a crime story, which I’ve heard many being a true crime enthusiast, Chris and Amy always deliver news I’ve never heard before! Thanks, guys! Ps. Prayers for every victim and to their families. May the next step into your journeys be filled only with happiness.
Wow!! I’ve never put the pieces together like this. It really makes sense. Too much smoke for there not to be a fire. The pieces fit for JD being the murderer. The pain of losing a child never goes away. It doesn’t matter how many other children come, or how many years pass. You always feel that hole where your child used to occupy that space in your heart. RIP Adam Walsh.
I believe Jeffrey did kill the little boy!! The other 2 suspects/admitted killers have very OBVIOUS features that he other children would definitely remember!!
He could have, but I just don’t really think he did. Even though his victim was random, I don’t believe it was his type. Adam was out of his range, also The way his body was exposed, doesn’t seem something he would have done. He would’ve got rid of the body, the same he did with his first victim.
I attended a workshop given by Arthur Jay Harris at a Sleuthfest Conference one year. I stayed after his presentation to speak to him. I remember telling him that I thought his theory was BS when I entered the room but after hearing him and seeing the evidence he presented that I was now a believer. I do believe Adam's killer was Dahmer. I recommend getting Arthur's book. It's a fascinating read.
Well I had no idea about the Dalmer connection in this case- very interesting! I bet he did do it- Dalmer wouldn't confess because he knew that little kid killers are killed in prison . Amy love you and Chris!
there is no "connection". this is just a RUclips channel. but i guess it is easy to forget that RUclips turns bus drivers into masterminds of criminology
What kind of sick creep preys on a child?!? I wasn't born until 1987 but this is a case I learned about early on in life. Ive shed a few tears and prayed for his family
Nobody deserves to die like this but it breaks my heart a child had to. Adam's death wasn't in vain; all those people that were saved by John creating Americas most wanted
This is SUPER intriguing. The only reason I lean towards it NOT being Dahmer is two things: John Walsh FIRMLY believes it wwas Otis Toole and Dahmer was VERY open about his crimes and I believe he would has fessed up to killing Adam in one of the many interviews he did before his death.
Yeah, I don’t think Jeff would kill a little kid. It is isn’t his type and his ages targets range was at least 12/13 and higher, plus he picked up his victims who wouldn’t be missed and reported missing. So I highly doubt Jeff would be Adams killer.
There are a few serial killers who have strong first murder links to very young children and they strongly deny it, despite the evidence. In all other murders (of young adults and adults) they gleefully admit their guilt. I've started thinking that at the start they think children will be easy murder victims but they cannot ultimately cope with their guilt.
@@thresagraham8181 Jeffrey’s youngest victim was 16. I’m glad they tore the apartment down here in Wisconsin. No one should ever have to relive that by looking at that place
What? I had moved to Florida at that time. And shopped at that Sears all the time. My daughter was the same age as Adam. It was horrible to see pictures of his little face plastered all over the business windows in the area 😢. I had no idea Dahmer was there at the time!
My mom is pretty sure she had a close encounter with Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole as a kid. She was chased in a car by a pair of unfamiliar men, and she ran between trees to prevent them from catching her. She screamed until the priest at her church came out and scared them away. She later found out they were suspected to be in the area at the time, and she’s lucky she escaped.
My sister was picked up by Henry Lee Lucas in the 70s in South Texas, hitch hiking, but it was on an island, so as soon as he started to get wierd, she bailed from the car. She is sure of who it was.
@@AAnderson87 she basically had to bail out of the car, she waited until she saw a car she recognized, it wasn't a very big town in the day, and a small island, with only 1 road off and a ferry, as soon as the car slowed to go through town, she bailed out. She told me that he started getting really "wierd" and then wouldn't stop where she told him to. She told me the story years ago, after we both watched a thing on TV that had him on it, early days when he was confessing to just about anything, but still, she was visibly shaken, and I'll never forget that.
Fascinating and original. Thank you. Sad to think if this happened in '21, the media and youtube would tear apart the Walsh family and John probably couldn't go on to help other families because the public would be convinced he's a mrrdrrerr.
Dahmer was very honest and forthcoming in subsequent interviews following his arrest. He described his murders in great detail, even admitted to helping investigators identify his victims etc. He was so helpful, why wouldn't he simply admit it started with Adam?
*What do you think of this theory? Could Jeffrey Dahmer be the real killer?*
Highly possible!!!
Totally believe that is more possible than the joke they blamed it on. Government is so useless
I think Otis is such a degenerate liar that we'll never know from those messed up confessions. Could've happened, but I don't think so...he just loved the attention! Dahmer cutting up bodies and his perverse obsessions...are more of a possibility to me. Great video!!!
@@Single.White.Female Otis is my case based on the csi on the car and a car print for the head print. Makes me think it was him.
I do not even remotely think Jeffrey Dahmer was involved in this. I am very familiar with Jeffrey's pattern and have read all and watched every interview with him and also his father Lionel. Although some of his vitims were in their teens, he was not a predator of children and never would have been in a public place during the day to snatch a child. This may sound terrible - but keeping the head would have meant more to him. And he used drugs abd strangulation before he then do the things he did. Every one of his victims were invited by Jeffrey to go to his home - he did not kidnap anyone.
After all these years it still hurts to think of what this little guy went through..it's so heartbreaking..
Was he in Florida ????
@@kathybishop6623 yes he was
Yes. Demon was in Miami working and supposedly had been to that mall that Day.
So sad! And his father made millions from his sons murder!
@@3.75istheway7 I wasn't aware of that 🥺 in the series on Netflix it was determined that the victims were suppose to get the profits from his book. I honestly don't know so no hard feelings please
You can never leave your kids out of your sight, I learned this from Mister Walsh before I was a father, Adam did not die in vain, His death saved many children from the monsters, God bless him and his poor family.
So true. My daughter was a couple of years younger than Adam and his murder made me more wary.
So true I was only 11 when this happened....our world changed we could not go anywhere alone. I believe it was Dalhmer as well. I have studied this case because it was so prominent. He had all the boxes checked. But, but I really believe it was not a job done alone, these predators all work together in these cases in my opinion......
Absolutely, great point ♡
Excellent comment 👌
He did die in vain. People are still trusting people with their kids. That child that came from you, your flesh and blood gets sent off to schools and other activities. Where do you think pedos get jobs? They get jobs where they have unlimited access to your children. Blind trust is negligent. If you wouldn’t hand them your keys to your car and your bank account info and debit card and PIN number why trust them with your kids? Aren’t your children worth more than money or possessions? Yet people guard their stuff more than their kids.
The guilt that that poor mother must have lived with for the rest of her life for having allowed her son to stay at the video game display I can't begin to imagine. The Adam Walsh case has always scared the crap out of me. So horrifying.
Heart wrenching case.
That was normal back then especially if you were just going 1 or 2 aisles over. Kids pretty much knew to stay where their parents left them, but if a adult in charge told you to leave you would leave because adult.
I have thought that many times 🌹
hell yeah, i don't leave my kid nowhere for not even 10 minutes, but then again, this was the 80's Lol
@@LoneWolfj11 In the 1970s, I used to have to wait to get picked up after girl scouts. I was technically a sitting duck. Glad that I was pretty oblivious to that fact. I was just annoyed that I had to wait while it was getting dark for my mother to remember to pick me up.
My heart and prayers go out to every parent who's lost a child, to a monster.
That comma isn’t necessary.
In the early 80's as a teen, two of my best friends and I were walking down the road to a creek that we often fished at out in the country at my fathers house. There was talk of a white van going around picking up kids at that time in the area but growing up in the country we were kinda alert to things and knew the area well. One day as we were walking back, a white van pulled up along side us along the road. We stopped momentarily and the side door slid open on the van. My friend was a bit of a trickster and always did crazy crap. He picked up a rock and threw it at the truck hitting the side of it. Well that made them mad then a guy with a mask on yelled at him and jumped out. We shot out through the woods and ran like heck. We all knew the back way through the forest to our houses. We all made it back to the power line which ran behind my friends house and meet up at there. Not seeing the van or the dude, we started walking the power line toward the house. There was a section of the line that was exposed for a short distance to another side road and as we walked by it, here came the van. It stopped, we ran again as fast as possible and came to my friends house. We told his mom who called the cops and they came out there and meet with us. Anyway, the van was nowhere to be found. It was a scary event. A couple of weeks later, the same van rode by his house but this time his uncle was there and he is a hunter, so we jumped into his truck and followed the van and got the license number. After that, we never saw it again. They messed with a bunch of country boys and about got caught. Never did hear what became of the van.
Everyone gather around the fire place😂 but seriously that’s some creepy sh*t bro. You and you’re friends are lucky to be alive. God is good!
Oh dear Lord! So glad those guys(whoever they were)didn’t succeed in catching you, or things would have turned out much differently. It’s a terrifying thought but you may not have been here writing this scary tale on this thread! You should always be thankful you got away safe. God bless.
I am seriously dumb founded right now. It's interesting that Ted Bundy had a hard time admitting to his youngest victim. Almost like they are embarrassed or ashamed of raping, mutilating and murdering a child. Adults are fine. That is where they draw the line.
Yes he firmly believes Otis did it there was a head print (A blood stain or a small head in cars back floor carpet) you can clearly see Adams face
Yes he absolutely believes it was Otis he even gave reasons why it wasn't Dahmer and he learned alot doing that show so i believe him.
never
Im pretty sure they don't actually the grizzlier the better.
Don't put all this guys on the same bag.
Never underestimate what will be done to bring closure to a high profile case. Psycho killers are opportunists so age is not a factor
🥺 it could've happened because Otis wasn't Mr. Trustworthy, but this theory really makes me wonder now...this case breaks my heart still to this day. I was a kid back then too and it caused a panic all over the USA. RIP little Adam.
Yes! Everyone was scared to death, I can remember being a child when this happened. I never separated from my mom in stores.
He was a beautiful little boy. It breaks my heart.
Who Otis?
I lived thru this when it went down we were all terrified. I was 14 and had a toddler sister and my mom would always leave us in sears to play free Atari while she shopped. Everyones moms did this till it happened. Sears pulled all their Atari displays. It literally changed our lives as young kids. When Adams decapitated body was found in the canal our innocence was lost!
Unfortunately his BODY was never found. His head was found floating in the water by 2 people fishing. Heartbreaking either way~
No everyone's mother did not!! I did not leave my son unattended.
@@withgoddess8029 ok most parents. The 70s 80s were different times. Our parents would let us go to toy dept while mom shopped. I personally always stayed in the car and listened to the radio. I wish things could of stayed like that. But unfortunately times have changed and we need to be vigilant always. I have 2 sons 31 and 14 and I couldn't leave the either. It's sad how the world has changed.
@@vonniedemers5683 that was my point. Game Rooms in malls were another popular spot to leave your kid with a couple bucks of quarters while you shopped. Most moms did this back then but not after this happened 🤷🏼♀️.
@@carolempie114 yeah I couldn’t remember which part as a kid I just knew because I had to ask my mom what decapitated meant. I kept hearing that word on the news.
*_Rule #1… “Never leave your child unattended by themselves, not even for 30 seconds.”_*
Never give your child to a man baby sitter.
@@godisreality7014
So you want a woman to abuse your kids huh?
That’s literally impossible. 🙄
@@godisreality7014 now THIS is the real good advice. At least 4% of all males experience a primary attraction to children. This doesn’t even include the males who are primarily attracted to adult men and women, but would abuse a child if the opportunity arose, and they felt that they could get away with it. That’s a much larger percentage of the male population.
The blue van, the headless body, the witnesses of the van in the area, the bloody Pizza Place crawl space are enough. But for me the main reason I feel that it was Dahmer that killed 6 yr. old Adam Walsh is that Jeffrey's Dad believes it was him.
* Body-less head.
@@retard_activated Unfortunately true.
@@WVgrl59 Dahmer even said to a police officer when questioned "Anyone who killed Adam Walsh could never live in prison" Implying they would be killed for being a pedophile and child murderer. That and he would have been extradited to Florida which has the death penalty and he would have obviously gotten the death penalty. That and Dahmer was ashamed of being a pedophile and didnt want anyone to know. The killer that confessed to it was borderline mentally retarded and falsely confessed to over a hundred murders.
To my knowledge, Dahmer never owned a blue van
@@michelrood2966 The sub shop he worked for in Florida had a blue delivery van that he drove.
I can still hear dueling banjos when I see Otis and Henry...good lord!!!
LOL.
I agree a scene right of delivrence
Good old boys!
LMAO😂😂😂
Yes! My thoughts exactly 😵💫
Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Jeffery... He's a murderer. He's a psychopath. He loves control. If he can hold onto information simply because he can, what's to stop him? He didn't have to confess. He's in control. The Walsh case was blowing up. I think he liked it that way. just because the little boy wasn't his common kill does not mean that he couldn't have possibly done it. Unfortunately, we don't know the true answers *yet.*
Well we probably never will. Both dahmer and Ottis are dead. So a confession will never happen.
The fact that Dahmer was at that scene... No body... What are the odds?
He was probably using Adam for practice. Then graduated up every time
@@nated5544 But how big was the population of that part of Florida then? What, was it this poky little town?
Florida surely got lots of non-residential visitors and touristd from across the U.S. Who doesn't love warm year-round weather amd sunny skies and beaches?
Adam.was taken from Hollywood Mall. Malls in the 80s were super popular hangouts and places for people to shop. It would've attracted lots of people. Everyone needs to shop somewhere, and in the 80s, there were no Internet malls.
Yes, Dahmer did at one time live in Florida, and he might've even been to that mall and been seen there by a witness who later got the dates confused. Or simply that witnesses got it wrong, were confused, mistakenly identified someone as Dahmer etc. In fact, eyewitnesses get it wrong more often than the public realizes. Human memory is fallible. People are prone to getting things mixed up, making mistakes, being influenced by media reports, rumors and stories. And in some cases, people come forward claiming to have sern this or that, for the attention, to be interviewed and see their faces in the news, or to feel like they have important information and are therefore important, etc. Police are well aware that they may often receive information and tips that are not true or relevant, anf and even get people coming forward to confess who clearly didn't do it.
Dahmer is sociopath.
I went missing in the same Sears, in 1973, I was three. I was rescued by a cashier until my parents could be found.
What a relief. We have all taken chances.. With little regard of the dangers. As a child we roamed all over or little town not a care in the world. Although, I did encounter a few Pervs in my own neighborhood.Age 10 - 15. I never told..same.. 1969/ 1970. I didn't tell anyone except my girlfriend. Shame, is why no one comes forward. Why do children feel so much shame they don't know what to do. Hello, age 66 it still weighs on my mind if other kids in my neighborhood where approached. I was hired to clean a neighbor ladies home. Ok. Centerfolds opened everywhere. Clue. .
My mother didn't understand why I wouldn't ever work for her... She unplugged my sweeper and started kissing my neck. Omg, I left and never came back. But, I never told. Even the member if my family still don't KNOW.
Jeffrey had no problem confessing to every single crime he ever committed, I truly doubt he would’ve left one out.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to doubt Dahmer had anything to do with this too. He wasn't into abducting small children. His thing was luring other gay men to his apartment and drugging them up so he could over power them to do as he wanted with them. Killing them. Little kids were not his thing.
How do we know he confessed to everything ?
True that, Walsh did not fit Dahmers MO whatsover!!! Socializing with his victims drinking n drugging! Including the ages of Dahmers victims!
What makes you so sure that Dahmer confessed to every single murder he committed?
@@JDJoshofficial Well it’s just the fact that he was so quick to admit everything, he didn’t hold anything back he let it all out he knew he was going to get caught sooner than later, he had no problem going to jail and paying for what he has done. Not that somebody could really pay for those sins. It’s just the fact that he was so quick and had no problems to tell what he had done he told every detail and he remembered every name of his victim. I don’t know I just think that he wouldn’t hide another murder. And just cause people think it’s a kid and he didn’t want that kind of problem in jail I mean he killed a 14-year-old boy and he had already admitted to that.
Honestly I think it’s a stretch those kids are too young for dahmer
Says who? Dahmer molested and killed a 13 year old and 14 year old when he was an adult.
I feel like dahmer had a very specific type he was attracted to and it wasn’t little boys. I also feel like he would’ve admitted it. I’ve seen all of his interviews and he doesn’t seem to have any inhibition about discussing the crimes.
Totally agree. BUT! We read a really compelling argument that was all about the idea that Adam wasn’t the first child ‘Dahmer’ tried to snatch in Florida, but he wasn’t successful with the others. And then, the high profile level Adam’s case went to made him ‘change his MO,’ to picking up more marginalized people who wouldn’t be as high profile. But in his early years he was exposing himself in playgrounds to small kids…
For me, it’s one of those cases where it’s kind of like…I could see that. And if not Dahmer then someone besides Ottis Toole. Just reading the transcripts it’s like…mmmm…no. And the idea that so many psychos might have been in a Florida Sears at one time.
Let’s never leave the house again. 😳
@@TrueCrimeRecaps you no this statement really makes sense! I read everything on Adams case, I always felt Otis would have admitted he did it, but adamantly said he did not.
@@TrueCrimeRecaps Do we know how Mr. Walsh feels about this theory?
@@TrueCrimeRecaps , great theory and job as always! However, growing up near Dahmer and going to Revere High School together, Adam Walsh doesn't fit his type. He was a dark soul and very specific on the type of victims he liked. He even abused his service members. He came from a broken home and left alone often, to fend for himself. His mother was nuts. I could go on forever. As a former Forensic Pathologist, I worked on the dig at his house after the news broke about his Milwaukee crimes, to find any evidence of his first kill, Steven Hicks and possibly more human remains. Animals would go missing in the neighborhood often. Classic early signs of a serial killer. It goes on and on. Definitely glad he's gone.
@@cmont4064 he's 100% behind Otis Toole is the killer.
Hi Amy. That was exceptional. A complicated story, really well told, with a wonderful injection of humanity. You and Chris....both big favourites of mine.♡♡
Mine too! With Love from Washington State 💚🌲💚
WTH? Did you guys even see the episode? Murder fantasies and torture and you guys say how quality their video is...
@@DodgerJim right ? This is ridiculous. Serial killers almost never change the M.O. Dahmer wasn't a pedophile, the youngest victim he had was a teenager... Anyone who believes this is ridiculously gullible.
Absolutely agree.
Great job as always. The thought that evidence or samples can be "lost" from such a tragic and important case is abhorrent. We aren't talking about GTA or something like that we are talking about a child's murder! It's infuriating when you hear of this. This was a very interesting episode. Great job and keep it up!
They become lost bc people want them lost. People who are actually responsible.
So many times my brothers and I used to go to the toy Dept in Sears. We even went to this Sears for our school shopping. After Adam went missing, we never left her side.
Total tragedy, the family has never really had closure.
Adam's case is the reason I watched my kids extra closely. That happened when I was a teen and it scared the hell out of me. All our parents let us go check out the toy isles. There was always some weird guy trying to talk to the kids,as a kid you dont know it's wrong or weird. Because of Adam I never left my kids unsupervised in public. ♥️ I'm still so sickened by there sons death,think it affected a lot of us.
Adam was left alone for 90 minutes. That’s just neglect.
Misty, I echo your words. It is because of Adam that I never let my child out of my sight.
@@karlahartman4220 they paid the ultimate price for it too. I didn't know how long he was alone, I just never turned my back when my kids were with me period. On the television program they made out like his mother just turned her back a few seconds.
I wouldn't put anything past Dahmer, or any serial killer. A child too young? Yeah, right. These are monsters who are willing to do anything, at least once, to try it out.
It's the decapitated heads that really get to me. Dahmer's fixation with them is a pattern. It wouldn't surprise if he did it to little Adam.
Agreed! There's no "too low" for these monsters.
@@CTdarkmatter EXACTLY!
And the 10year killing hiatus he claimed was kind of unbelievable.
Makes me think that maybe after he killed Steven in '78, he was itching to kill someone after he was dismissed from the army in '81 and found Adam. Maybe, he just lie low from '81-'87 because Adam's case was too high profile that he might have easily been caught if he made another kill immediately.
So he just said it was '78-'87 hiatus to keep himself away from Adam's case.
@@aeliseyang9812 THATS EXACTLY what I said. Killing Adam Walsh may not have been to fulfill a sexual desire but it was probably simply Jeffrey wanting to act on his urge to kill and mutilate. and Little Adam was just an easy target at the moment. And Jeffrey himself has even admitted being so drunk that he didn’t remember or recall how one or some of his victims died. So Jeffrey is full of sh*t. He told the story HE wanted to tell and left out a lot of stuff in between probably both INTENTIONALLY and unintentionally due to him being so inebriated that he didn’t remember. In my opinion Jeffrey Dahmer Killed Adam Walsh. growing up in Miami during that era I was a kid too. So it’s so unbelievable that all that terror I recall feeling as a kid in Miami during the 80’s after Adam disappearance ended up having this Jeffrey Dahmer twist. I’ve followed this story since it broke on the news in the 90’s and have been haunted by it and intrigued by it ever since. It’s mind boggling to think John Walsh was comfortable with the outcome of this story of Otis Toole being blamed. For me ALL clues seem to point DIRECTLY to Jeff Dahmer smh
*I've said that for years now...that all the police are interested in doing is closing a case...they don't care how or if an innocent person is convicted as long as the case is closed.* If the police zero in on a suspect they believe committed a crime, it does not matter what the evidence points to...they will ignore all other people and the real evidence! As a person who watches a lot of crime shows...it's so frustrating to see the perp right there and the police just won't even look in that direction! Scary sad!
I couldn’t agree more with you jo blo
That’s sad they r allowed to do this
Otis killed Adam, John Walsh has said several times publicly that it wasn’t Jeffrey Dahmer 😒
It’s more the conclusion that Walsh fixated on. They don’t really know it was Ottis, they don’t know if it was dahmer they don’t even know anything really at all. It’s all speculation and having to hope Ottis was telling the truth but seems unlikely.
This horrible tragedy happened 5 years after we moved from Hollywood Florida. I spent many Saturdays in the toy department at that Sears. God Speed To Adam and all of the victims of these monsters.
I can’t imagine the guilt that poor woman must have felt all these years. She just left him for a minute, but a minute this time was too long.
Yeah, and how many other mothers did the same exact thing and nothing happened to their kids?
@@coffeenut9588 that was my point
Well, it wasn't actually a minute. The time frame was debated.
But even if it had been an hour, they were in a famous store, Sears, in a busy and popular mall, not some dusty little store out in the middle of nowhere.
It was daytime, shoppers were everywhere, and Sears had its own security staff. And it was the early 80s. Crimes of this brazen nature just weren't on anybody's radar then.
I remember being a kid in the early 80s, and kids would stray away from their parents in the supermarket etc., and it qas no big deal. At some point, their parents would find them. Or at worst, the kid would get picked up by staff and there'd be an announcement over the P.A. asking parents to collect their child. And lots of kids played outside, in front of the supermarket on those coin operated rides, alone and unsupervised by an adult. Kids also rode bikes around on their own, played in their neighborhood without an adult, took bus rides etc. It was so common in the 70s and 80s.
There are too many coincidences to rule Dahmer out. Sad all the way around.
I think Dahmer is a great candidate and I don't think he would confess because he would be labeled a child killer in prison but, of course, he was killed by another prisoner ultimately.
But he was already labeled a child killer. He killed the 14 year old
@@blkcoverboy1049 yeah, but a lot of people don't think 14 is a "child". They think more teenager... Wrong, but still what people think.
@@goldilox369 14 is a child tho. Anyone who thinks otherwise is SICK
@@blkcoverboy1049 oh, I totally agree.
He was already a child killer but yea a6 year old who can’t at all defend himself would make ppl even angrier explains why he maybe didn’t admit to it
HOW have I not heard of this theory before??!!! I never believed Otis had anything to do with Adam... don't know why. It just didn't"click" for me.
This, however, does! Damn you 2 are good. Couldn't hurt play fast enough when I read the title!! Thank you!
IKR 😳👍
I first heard it right after Dahmer died. I'm not convinced Otis did it but I'm not convinced Jeffrey did either.
@@chrismcree9366 I don't 100% believe it was Otis either. He was a convenient scapegoat.
That was fascinating!!
I never knew Dahmer was a suspect, always heard it was O'Toole.
That sweet boy....I remember being a kid myself and hearing about what happened to him. My parents told me to never talk to strangers or else something like that could happen to me. It worked because it was such a scary thought.
It's difficult to fathom how a person could be so cruel to an innocent child. Breaks my heart.
Only became one retroactively when he was caught and outed as a serial killer. It is unlikely he was involved at all. The MO are not the same.
@@reck1224 the thing is...he was in the area..drove the same color van and years later when Dahmer was arrested, one of the kids with Adam saw his picture and said that he was the guy in the store that approached them. So it makes you wonder. When he was shown the pic of the guy who confessed he said it wasn't him
wow he drove a blue delivery van, how compelling.
I totally believe it! I studied this case for years. This case fits Jeffrey Dahmer's method of operation. Jeffrey collected heads and in most cases disposed of the bodies, Adams's head was found but his little body never was. Jeffrey kept heads in his refrig so decomp would be slowed in Adams case. Jeffrey also had engaged in minors later in life and was charged at least once. Jeffrey was a trained Army field Medic, so Jeffrey knew the anatomy and how to dismember a body. Jeffrey is the killer of Adam but did not admit to it due to the age of Adam, knowing Prison would not be kind.
Witnesses put him in the Mall and Witness put him at the location where the head was found.
- Ottis Toole was a liar and admitted to murders that were not true. Otis was an opportunist murderer for money or food and of course fire.
I agree. The first thing that stuck out to me was only the head remained. That was a big Dahmer thing. The fact that he had access to a blue van, was sketched, in the area, and was probably just starting off in his serial killer career would make sense. Once he got heat on the news, he probably realized this was a bad idea and didn't want to draw any attention to himself. Plus, not all serial killers start out with their "one type", some experiment. He used to experiment with animals, why not kids? He easily could have eaten the body.
Nah. I don’t believe it. Dahmer was a marked man bc of his crimes in general so adding a kid into wouldn’t change anything. He liked them young but not that young. Any prolific killer that is all over the news is gonna have a super hard time wherever they’re put. The killers in there would go after Dahmer just to make a name for themselves. Besides, like she mentioned, Florida had the death penalty. He wouldn’t have even been placed within a regular prison but death row. If anything, that would have made his time more comfortable.
@@Garbeaux. Adam Walsh murder occurred years before Dahmer went full out killing spree starting in 1987, Dahmer was Discharged in Mar of 1981 and was in FL. Dahmer normally disposed of the bodies and kept the heads- Adam Walsh Body was never found only the head.
Eyewitness accounts placed Dahmer and the blue van at the location the head was found. Eyewitness accounts also placed Dahmer at the Mall that day,
I agree. Dahmer gets overlooked for some reason. Toole is a compulsive liar straight up. People forget or don't realize what other inmates do to people convicted of hurting a child, I believe Dahmer knew that as well.
I am really wowed by these recaps, just when I think I know the whole story. Thanks Amy
Wow!!! My mind is blown on this one!! I never believed the two men did it but blew my mind when Dahlmer was added into the equation! It wouldn’t surprise me if he did kill Adam Walsh. He knew the severity of killing kids in jail!
"Dahlmer"
@@jamesanderson6373 no
Right i could see not admitting to that..huge difference between 14 year old and 6 year old
But if he did kill the kid why didn’t he take pics and do what he did to his other victims
@@LL-ip5mm articles ive read said he was living on the beach..maybe he didn't hsve the resources to keep the body parts and didn't want to risk walking around with the pictures
Dahmer liked black guys and guys older than Adam Walsh at that. I don’t think it’s true but it is sensational and has some coincidences.
You k ow him personally? I am sure it didn’t matter to him. He would take what was easy.
@@Lisacrazed Do you?
I do not believe it is true at all - and actually in an interview he gave which may have been the last interview he was asked the question re race. He clarified that it was not a racial thing. It was just about wanting someone attractive to him and in the area he lived in there were people of varied ethnicities - but he did not select people based on race but on attractiveness to him. He was not attracted to children and as odd as it seems I would hate that people wrongly attach crimes to him.
@@Lisacrazed Not even Walsh believed that it was Dahmer and nobody knows more about this case than him. And yes, it did matter, like it matters to almost every serial killer. A pedophile will rarely rape and kill a grown man.
I think his sexual attraction was all over the place. He had no “type” I think towards his later years before his capture he developed a “type” because most of the gay men who he approached were black
I was 10 when this happened and I remember it vividly. It really shook me (along with Dahmer). I always thought the case seemed odd and never felt like it was closed. This makes SO much more sense!
It could’ve been either of them, but we’ll probably never know. An even scarier thought is that it was someone else completely….there were A LOT of serial killers running amok during that era and it was far easier to get away with those sorts of crimes back then, today the technology and communications make it much more difficult to sustain serial type killings.
"Conversating" is not a proper word. "Conversing" is the word you needed. Converse, conversing, conversation.
The use of that made up word drives me crazy, also!
Was that Otis and Henry Lee posing in a photo booth together!? 🤣
They were lovers.
Super cute huh!?! I bet they skipped around feeding each other cotton candy and held hands while butterflies fluttered around them and bubble hearts popped above their heads.
@@shreecrawford5122 LOL, that's so funny yet as disgusting as both them !
@@cmont4064 they are disgusting, but please don’t refer to someone’s right to love another as disgusting
@@CoExist64 those 2 should have had no rights ! They took many ppl who were loved rights away ! Are u serious? Their rights 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I quess their victims rights to love don't matter ! U need to check yr self!
I don’t think Dahmer had anything to do with Adam’s brutal death. Even though he killed a 14-year old in the past, Adam was not “his type”. Dahmer preferred his victims mostly non-Caucasian and older (18+) by the victimology. I really do think it was someone else & not Toole neither. 😳😳😳
His first kill was white tho. And first victim was his roommate who was white also.
What if Dahmer started off earlier killing boys, teens and men. And settled into teens and men for some reason. Doesn't mean he didn't do it because it's not his M.O. Serial killers are usually psychopaths so I'm sure a psychopath isn't going to discriminate on age. Bottom line, Dahmer liked victims of male orientation. I highly doubt he wasn't capable of killing a boy(s) early in his career as a serial killer
@@itzcapondabeat Rt. Most killers start with animals to see if they can do it and gradually start to kill humans. I wouldn't put anything past someone who is blood thirsty.
@@saraho9568 ~ If you reread my comment carefully, you will see the way I worded it was that Dahmer *PREFERRED NON~Caucasians*. I didn’t indicate *only* noncaucasians.
Where did you get THAT from my comment ⁉️😳
@@itzcapondabeat ~ I didn’t say that Dahmer *didn’t* kill Adam. Reread my comment carefully. I said *”I don’t think”*
I ALSO DIDN’T SUGGEST in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM that he wasn’t capable of killing Adam. Where did you get THAT from my comment ⁉️😳
Just because Jeffrey Dahmer wasn’t known for killing children, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have. Around this time period of his life it seems like he was either constantly drunk or high. Who knows what he was capable of in those types of conditions.
I'm 43 and leaving kids alone in cars, at home after school alone etc.....was just the way it was...I feel awful for what this mother prob dealt with after her son was murdered. I'm sure the guilt was immense. But she did nothing that any other parent didn't do at that time.
Well its about time...there was a journalist that ,later wrote a book about having bumped into Jeffrey Dahmer,in Florida ,the same day & location that Adam Walsh disappeared from..
Name of the book?
They literally say it in this video
@@VaCRAYtion it's in the beginning of this video
I was born and raised in Vero Beach, you can't imagine how the death of this sweet boy changed our lives! His loss ensured we were all photographed and fingerprinted so that God forbid it happened to one of us, authorities would have our info, it saved lives! It also knocked the naivete off our parents and woke them up to the very dangerous world we live in, up to this point danger to children wasn't even a passing thought.
best line; "We've only scratched the surface of crazy" LOL
This just gave me chills. My family were friends with the walsh family. My memories of my childhood are very few. Dont really know why. But i remember mom telling me something bad happened to Adam. I didnt get the story till i was a teenager. I was kept from news around the case. My mother would not let me out of her sight till i was a teen and we had moved.
You might want to go back and check the recent disclosures from Adam's sister. She has some interesting things to say, doesn't paint her father in such a great light. And his own past makes one question.
What a strong couple to stay together after a horrific thing to happen to them both. They have my admiration.
I'll never forget the old guy that lived across the hall from Jeffrey Dahmer being interviewed how creepy that must have been
I'd probably go crazy..Like question every little noise I ever heard from the neighbor apartment
I say Nope, I don’t think Dahmer would have killed just one child. He seemed pretty certain of what his predilection was🤷♀️
I disagree he progressed to killing live animals after playing with road kill too.
@@kathcasey2090 exactly
It is easier to get a child than a grown man, so I think he progressed.
konerak sinthasomphone let’s not forget about him and his brother
Many serial killers start with children because they are easier to kidnap and have control over. Then tbey upgrade to adults. One of his known victims was 14. Also, we don't know if it was only one child because Dahmer had been overseas prior to being in Florida. Dahmer was known to work about 1.5 miles from that mall; had access to a blue van; looked like the stretch of an attempted male child kidnapper at another mall 2 weeks earlier,; had reported a dead man to the police; and blended in better as a normal looking guy versus Otis Toole, who was rather homeless, gross looking.
Adam and I were born same month, year and 4 days apart. I remember when he went missing and all the news about it.
I have NEVER heard the Jeffrey Dahmer theory not once until I just watched this.
Interesting stuff...
Happy early bday to you Adam Walsh 🥳
Dahmer probably wasn’t trying to avoid the death penalty. He wanted the death penalty and wanted to die. When he was murdered in prison, he made no attempts to resist in any way. He openly felt he should die for what he did and believed he was sinning against God by merely continuing to live. His victims all had a particular look. A 6 year old doesn’t fit his mold. Seems like you really don’t understand Dahmer at all.
That day my mom was going to take us to sears to play with that day.
When we woke up. ...mom said she had a terrible dream about going. She said that we are not going to sears. Mom said years later she said her dream is
That my brother's head was in a body of water.
And omg I freaking remember that man. He freaking bothered my brother when we were there. Holy cow. Now I freaking out
So you remember seeing Jeffery Dahmer in Sears In 1981????
@@thatgardeninggirl2864 judging by the broken english I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is prolly a troll that posted this.
So did you or did you not go to Sears that day? First you said your mom didn't take you, then you said you remember seeing him there that day. Which is it? Or, most likely, neither one.
@@nikkibest5010 probably neither.
You probably weren’t even born when this happened
In the end I believe Dark Justice was Served ... It's been 28 years since Dahmer was whacked ...
Wow I can't believe it's been that long....
It's compelling but I still don't think it was Dahmer. I'm not convinced it was Otis either but if John Walsh believes it was, that's enough for me.
John Walsh is a moron. Otis admitted ad denied killing Adam multiple times. He was f@$king with the police. Dahmer was in the area drove a blue van and was even at the exact spot were they found Adam's head. Plus the witness described someone who looked just like Dahmer. That's way too many coincidences to be nothing.
I don't believe that Dahmer wanted to known as a young child killer because of how bad that would make him look to other prisoners . I mean they killed him anyway but he didn't know this would happen but knew it would be a distinct possibility if they knew of that young of a child murder
Thank you for another interesting video.
I've always felt that the Sears security guard was scapegoated over the whole thing. Kids can't be allowed to run free and be rowdy in department stores. If she did put Adam out along with the others, she wasn't responsible for his death. Your bringing out that Adam may have been lured and abducted before she even encountered the boys is an important point. If Adam had been with the boys, I think she would have checked on his story and returned him to his mom.
The case for Dahmer being the murderer is much stronger than the case for Otis Toole being the murderer. The police don't seem to have ever made a serious investigation of Dahmer being the murderer.
The problem is that none of this makes a strong enough case to say that Dahmer was the murderer. People's recollections can be wrong. Someone who looks a bit like someone who scared a kid can seem scary. The people who have identified Dahmer may be reacting to the trauma that they felt and confusing a known monster with an unknown monster that they actually saw.
Poor Adam. This makes alot of sense. This is the first time I have ever heard of this theory. It seems very possible. I believe this could have happened.
The amount of new information I learned about both Adam Walsh and Jeffrey Dahmer in this video is amazing.. I almost didn't watch because I thought I knew everything about Dahmer but this.. my mind is blown.. I really hope that John gets to reclaim the rest of his son's body before he leaves this Earth.. just for his peace of mind, a completion after solving so many cases and saving so many lives.. just that one little thing that isn't so little...
Anywho, subscribed 👌🏼
As soon as you said it was Ottis Toole (best pal of Henry Lee Lucas) who had confessed I immediately knew it wasn’t him. They both lied constantly claiming murders they didn’t commit, and the mush for brain detectives ate it all up. Going to finish rest of recap/video now lol
Based on eye witness testimony (even though it’s not very reliable), and mostly on the fact he was in that specific area during that time I think it’s highly probable that Dahmer had something to do with Adam’s death. Dahmer’s preference was male and he was an organized opportunistic killer. He also liked to lure and then basically kidnap his victims so that he could possess them. It was probably Adam’s death causing such a massive nationwide media frenzy which caused him to change his victim pool to that of low society black/minority/homosexual males, because he could get away with it easier. Unfortunately he was right. Dahmer was also big on decapitating his victims along with many other gruesome acts. I hate to think it was Dahmer who killed sweet Adam, because his last moments would have been that of horrifying torture. I just hope that the Walsh family is able to find the rest of his remains and put him to rest one day. Unlikely as that is all these years later.
Dahmer even said to a police officer when questioned "Anyone who killed Adam Walsh could never live in prison" Implying they would be killed for being a pedophile and child murderer. That and he would have been extradited to Florida which has the death penalty and he would have obviously gotten the death penalty. That and Dahmer was ashamed of being a pedophile and didn't want anyone to know, his own father called John Walsh and said his son (Jeff) was a pedophile and probably killed his son. The killer that confessed to it was borderline mentally retarded and falsely confessed to over a hundred murders. Ntm all the other "coincidences" If Otis had really killed him he would have been able to tell them where the remains were. Dahmer couldn't tell them where the remains were because of the above-mentioned.
What do I think of this theory? It doesn't fit his M.O. or criminal profile at all. People just trying to make a quick buck off of two tragic events.
When I was a kid in elementary school in NY through the 80’s, every year we would be warned to look out for a blue van approaching children. The school would send us home with letters to give our parents about the blue van! Is this where the whole blue van thing came from?
That Dahmer creep really was a chameleon! I would never pick him for being the same person in any of those photos shown here. It's a lucky break that any eyewitnesses picked him out at all. His eyes must have been pretty menacing when face to face if they recognized him so confidently in a lineup.
Excellent research! Certainly changes the way I looked at this tragedy. Keep up the fine work!!!
Dahmer confessed to so much. Why wouldn't he have confessed to this also? It doesn't make sense. I don't think either one of them did it.
Being a child killer is horrible in prison. Inmates can fear and respect a cannibal killer, but not a child killer. Being known to have killed Adam would have been a death sentence in prison and Jeff was smart enough to know that.
I will never forget Adam Walsh. I will never forget this horrific tragedy. I do not let my kids out if my sight, because this impacted me and stuck with me. Thank God for “ code Adam”. Thank God Mr. Walsh took his unbearable pain and used it to find other missing children. Everyone who remembers this time, will always love little Adam.
Well said.I think of Adam if I even see a Sears store to this day.I think of the movie.A couple times when I couldn't find my daughter for like 10 seconds at Target. I would think of sweet Adam and that a monster got him.Complete sick /panic in those few seconds.
Wow!!!!! This theory makes a lot of sense. Even though Dahmer wanted grown men for sex before murdering them, i never thought of any connection but given all the possibilities, and being that he was a monster!!!!! poor Adam might have been his victim. God keep his soul of this little angel.
He was younger then so could be why a younger victim.
Maybe Dahmer didn’t want to confess to killing Adam Walsh because it would have put his own life at risk. Prisons are known to have caste systems with child predators at the bottom and the Adam Walsh case was so famous that Dahmer feared vigilante justice from fellow prisoners. Then, he was murdered by an inmate anyway. EDIT: I paused to type this comment, then you said it Amy! 🤦🏼♀️
Technically Jeff wouldn’t care if his life was at risk, because he said in a interview. He said if anyone wanted to kill him. He said he deserved to die for what he did and cause, that what exactly what happened to him.
So I didn’t really think what’s too concerned, about his safety of his life.
@@Aaron-MackHartford While I respect your opinion, I disagree. Believing he deserved to die and actually wanting to die are not the same. Let’s say a child breaks a rule and gets caught. He may think he deserves to be grounded, but he still does not want to be.
@@AngelaChase Well, in the end. He got what you deserved and justice to the victims for family.
@@Aaron-MackHartford What I deserved?
Dahmer's MO was teenage and young twenties boys. I still think Otis Toole.
Agree!
The problem with that is the kid that was with Adam looked at photo line up and said it wasn't OT
@@missvic7890 I never heard that. Has that kid identified Dahmer?
@@roxannemoser I guess years later he saw a photo of Dahmer and had a visceral reaction and told the police that is who he saw in the store
I hate to say this but my son was born 1986 and I tell what, I would never have left my son alone in a department store ever! You ALWAYS have to keep and eye on your child, never letting them out of your sight. I was born 1965 and I was sent to the corner store to buy milk by myself age I believe 8 or 9, and almost got picked up myself, but thank fully I got away. I feel awful for the Walsh family and the pain they must feel for the lost of there son.
I was sent to the cornor store to get cigarettes for my babysitter. They sold em to me and all I told them was I'm getting g these fir Janet and they were like sure what are you 5 sure
I agree.
Not buying it. Several reasons. Doesn’t fit the MO of Dahmer. Serial killer profiles are very accurate. I think this is a case of coincidence and frequency illusion. You start thinking you remember something happening to you because you see it numerous times later. Dahmer also always wore his glasses. The person isn’t wearing glasses in the police sketch. JD was attracted to men’s chests. He was obsessed with body cavities combined with his sexuality. He also didn’t go very far from his homes. He admitted everything at the end. Why would he leave this part out?
I think dahmer did it. I think murdering a 6 year old was too repulsive for him, and he didn't want to do it again, nor admit to it. A 6 year old seemed like an easier target for him. When he admitted to the other murders, he was basically bragging and reliving them in his mind. Something happened with Adam that he didn't want to recall, or brag about.
Cops will absolutely loose (destroy) evidence and coach a suspect in order to close a case. They are under pressure and it's easier to work on what they already have in hand, than to beat the streets doing leg work. Have to remember, they are lazy for the most part. They still want their promotions and elected officials want to be re-elected. Citizens want answers. Officials don't like answering reporters questions unless they have positive answers that remove them from the hot seat. RIP to all child victims.
I wish they would test DNA on the teeth of the skull that was found, because it may be someone else.
That was a great recap Amy!! Idk what to think about Dahmer being responsible 🤔At this point, not much surprises me. He very well could have been but something is telling me that he wasn’t. But.....ya never know! Love you and Chris and TCR!! Great upload!!
I have to go with what the father believes since over the years he's learned alot having that show.He absolutely believes it was Otis.
I agree definitely the dad John who did it sicko!
Wasn't Dahmer, even Walsh has said so
Jeffrey dahmer did it
Otitis was a horrible thing.
I dont know, John was desparate to have someone to blame, he listened to the cops and the cops botched this investigation.
Eh, I don't think either Dahmer or Tool was responsible for his death. Dahmer had young victims, but I'm positive none of them were underneath the age of 12 or 13. I think if Dahmer had done that, given the level of sadism he had, he would have had victims of a similar age. Dahmer had a type and he is on record saying that. I also think he knew that if he targeted POC men and boys there would be barely any more attention on him than killing a white man or boy. I do think it's purely coincidental; they tried to pin Ed Kemper on some of Bundy's murders and they also tried doing the same with BTK and other murders around that area. It seems like pure speculation Dahmer was in that mall the same time as Adam -- but also, I'm sure Hollywood wasn't that big of a city during that time, so it might not be so unusual as you think it is.
Dahmer wanted to have total control over another human being. That was one of the motives. I think he was the one who did it because of the people who said they saw him and because of the blue van.
His crimes were horrendous, but the killing of an innocent child in that manner, even more deprived, and don’t they say that even in prison there is a hierarchy in which crimes committed against children puts the inmate in danger?
The other inmates will look at him as the lowest of the low.
He confessed to everything that was already brought to light and couldn’t be hidden.
Ted Bundy wouldn’t talk about the the one known child he raped and killed either.
The head thing, Jeffrey damer decapitated his victims 🤔
But the head was discarded not kept as a trophy...or maybe it could be before he started keeping trophies idk
@@aflawedhuman2046 well to be fair he was a drifter in Miami so him keeping a head wouldn’t be that convenient like it was when he lived with his grandparents and lived alone
@@blkcoverboy1049 That makes sense...I think it's possible Jeff did it but who knows
@@aflawedhuman2046 yes I think it’s possible. Thanks
This just creeps me out. How could John and Reve' Walsh be so convinced, after all these years, that it was Otis Toole and not Dahmer? I'm really confused now. I almost didn't watch this because I didn't want to 'muddy the waters' with these distractions. But, some of the info is rather compelling. 😲.....😣
Check out the interviews by their daughter, Meghan Walsh. John and Revé are messed up.
@@sassybanjo3586 How ironic to just get your comment today -- 9 mos after I left my comment on this Adam Walsh-related video and the possibility of a different perpetrator than Otis Toole. Just about 10 days ago I stumbled upon a couple of videos with Meghan Walsh, and I was shocked to hear HER tales of life with the Walshes and with the circles they run in. Now, granted, she does seem to have some problems of her own, but it also sounds like John & Reve' have some real dysfunctional, control issues that have impacted their daughter and led to extreme measures in taking custody of her children and taking away her financial support. What us 'regular' people don't know about the rich and well-connected, is sometimes very disturbing to learn. SMDH.
@@livingitup9647 Were you able to watch the “caught on video” of the recent release taking of her five day old baby? Heartbreaking! 🥲
15/20 mins is a long time to leave your 6 year old , maybe at home in the sitting room , but a large shopping department ,
idk, not really Dahmer's M.O.....Sure Konerak was 14, but that's obviously post-puberty and he clearly convinced 2 cops that he was at least 19, Dahmer has no pre-pubescent victims, AND Konerak was the outlier, the rest were grown men...additionally Dahmer wouldn't abandon body parts, ESPECIALLY skulls, he wouldn't toss a victims skull anywhere, he'd especially covet that.
@Allegedly⚖️Amber Thank you :)
No matter how many times I’ve heard/watched a crime story, which I’ve heard many being a true crime enthusiast, Chris and Amy always deliver news I’ve never heard before! Thanks, guys! Ps. Prayers for every victim and to their families. May the next step into your journeys be filled only with happiness.
I don't believe in coincidence either. Well presented Amy. You guys keep getting better! I look forward to seeing what your going to cover next.
Really appreciate you watching! Weird case. Maybe nothing…maybe something. Strange either way!
Wow!! I’ve never put the pieces together like this. It really makes sense. Too much smoke for there not to be a fire. The pieces fit for JD being the murderer. The pain of losing a child never goes away. It doesn’t matter how many other children come, or how many years pass. You always feel that hole where your child used to occupy that space in your heart. RIP Adam Walsh.
I believe Jeffrey did kill the little boy!! The other 2 suspects/admitted killers have very OBVIOUS features that he other children would definitely remember!!
He could have, but I just don’t really think he did. Even though his victim was random, I don’t believe it was his type.
Adam was out of his range, also The way his body was exposed, doesn’t seem something he would have done. He would’ve got rid of the body, the same he did with his first victim.
I attended a workshop given by Arthur Jay Harris at a Sleuthfest Conference one year. I stayed after his presentation to speak to him. I remember telling him that I thought his theory was BS when I entered the room but after hearing him and seeing the evidence he presented that I was now a believer. I do believe Adam's killer was Dahmer. I recommend getting Arthur's book. It's a fascinating read.
Well I had no idea about the Dalmer connection in this case- very interesting! I bet he did do it- Dalmer wouldn't confess because he knew that little kid killers are killed in prison . Amy love you and Chris!
he didn’t
He didn't do it. Besides he was killed in prison anyway
"Dalmer"
That's 🐮, you don't know what you are on about. Jeff Darmer had killed and confessed to killing a 14 year old. So your comment is silly.
there is no "connection". this is just a RUclips channel. but i guess it is easy to forget that RUclips turns bus drivers into masterminds of criminology
What kind of sick creep preys on a child?!?
I wasn't born until 1987 but this is a case I learned about early on in life. Ive shed a few tears and prayed for his family
Nobody deserves to die like this but it breaks my heart a child had to. Adam's death wasn't in vain; all those people that were saved by John creating Americas most wanted
I dont know... to be a slave and raped every day for 18 years like jaycee lee dugard or die.. i dont know what is worst.
Don’t forget he now has a new show on ID called “In Pursuit” and one of his sons joins him
This is SUPER intriguing.
The only reason I lean towards it NOT being Dahmer is two things:
John Walsh FIRMLY believes it wwas Otis Toole
and Dahmer was VERY open about his crimes and I believe he would has fessed up to killing Adam in one of the many interviews he did before his death.
Yeah, I don’t think Jeff would kill a little kid.
It is isn’t his type and his ages targets range was at least 12/13 and higher, plus he picked up his victims who wouldn’t be missed and reported missing.
So I highly doubt Jeff would be Adams killer.
It wasn’t Dahmer, he wouldn’t have thrown the head away. Rip to poor baby Adam Walsh.
So now we need to look through every place Dahmer lived and go over missing or killed children.
There are a few serial killers who have strong first murder links to very young children and they strongly deny it, despite the evidence. In all other murders (of young adults and adults) they gleefully admit their guilt.
I've started thinking that at the start they think children will be easy murder victims but they cannot ultimately cope with their guilt.
No he didn’t . He was into young 15 and a little older young men. And all the people he murdered are all accounted for
Otis’s youngest victim was 20
@@thresagraham8181 Jeffrey’s youngest victim was 16. I’m glad they tore the apartment down here in Wisconsin. No one should ever have to relive that by looking at that place
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Late night true crime?!?! F*CK YES!!!!
What? I had moved to Florida at that time. And shopped at that Sears all the time. My daughter was the same age as Adam. It was horrible to see pictures of his little face plastered all over the business windows in the area 😢. I had no idea Dahmer was there at the time!
Predators like easy prey. Even if Adam wasn't Dahmer's ideal victim it doesn't mean he wouldn't have taken the opportunity if it arose..
Blown away Amy! Can't wait to check this out! Thanks
My mom is pretty sure she had a close encounter with Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole as a kid. She was chased in a car by a pair of unfamiliar men, and she ran between trees to prevent them from catching her. She screamed until the priest at her church came out and scared them away. She later found out they were suspected to be in the area at the time, and she’s lucky she escaped.
My sister was picked up by Henry Lee Lucas in the 70s in South Texas, hitch hiking, but it was on an island, so as soon as he started to get wierd, she bailed from the car. She is sure of who it was.
What about the stain?
@@lawrencelymanii6943 glad she was smart and got out of there safely!
@@AAnderson87 she basically had to bail out of the car, she waited until she saw a car she recognized, it wasn't a very big town in the day, and a small island, with only 1 road off and a ferry, as soon as the car slowed to go through town, she bailed out. She told me that he started getting really "wierd" and then wouldn't stop where she told him to. She told me the story years ago, after we both watched a thing on TV that had him on it, early days when he was confessing to just about anything, but still, she was visibly shaken, and I'll never forget that.
Fascinating and original. Thank you.
Sad to think if this happened in '21, the media and youtube would tear apart the Walsh family and John probably couldn't go on to help other families because the public would be convinced he's a mrrdrrerr.
Dahmer was very honest and forthcoming in subsequent interviews following his arrest. He described his murders in great detail, even admitted to helping investigators identify his victims etc. He was so helpful, why wouldn't he simply admit it started with Adam?
Even serial killers have morals, no kids.