"MVS is a game thats really easy to get mad at". Truer words have never been said. Smash can occasionally bring out my salt, but MVS regularly feels extremely frustrating. And I havent been able to put my finger on exactly WHY, but I figure it's because so much of the game's BS is so free to execute. When you get exploded it feels like cheese, not like an expression of skill.
@@Evello37 samurai jack got hella nerfs and I still run into dudes who mash jab, which isn’t even super frustrating but being edge guarded by him is what actually annoys me
Another big issue with movement is that they chamged the way that fast fall works. It feels like you're deploying a parachute everytime you tey to fast fall 😂
Thats exactly what my problem is too, i feel like jump height might also have somethin to do with it but really fix jumps/fastfall and make parry more reliable, and a overall hitbox fix update and that would solve most gameplay issues I tend to have left
Absolutely. Half the characters dodge directly after an attack and vise versa. Either speed the game back up or balance all this shit. It drives me nuts the game has been out so long and they csnt figure out the balancing. I'm so closed to quitting
Easily the biggest problem with the game even with it slowed down a bit - like reading opponents almost don’t matter with the way you can’t whiff punish half the cast
I was playing ranked 2v2 and I had a plat duo queue sitting on top of each other spamming grounded neutral on Jack and Arya. They covered the whole stage, they covered each other, and they could it repeatedly. I was playing Jason and there was legit nothing I could do and my teammate wasn't the greatest. I couldn't approach from the air because I was just too slow to punish them and I can outrun the range to hit them after the attack. 0 fucking wiff lag made this possible.
Yup i agree. This game is such a spam fest and 2s specifically suffers because of this. Samurai jack spamming that sword dashing, shaggy side special spam, etc etc I feel theres so many moves that have no intention of being anything other a move to throw and hit without repercussions.
THANK YOU for talking about the minimal jump height. If the want to fix the aerial movement in this game they need to: 1-reduce shorthops and increase ( slightly) full hops; 2-reduce ne amount of aerials that totally stall your vertical momentum, or at least make so that the ones that do it act more subtly; 3-make so that landing with an aerial cuts your endlag significantly. Aditionally, i believe they could add edgecanceling for landing aerials and code the platforms and ground to make it possible to dodgeland horizontaly
You’re so right about the fulfilling thing. Deadlock and 2XKO are great examples but also Valorant. It’s one of the biggest games in the world and its not easy AT ALL. But its so fulfilling to get your first 3k or to rank up. Winning in MVS just isnt fulfilling at all. If I win with a OP character I feel disgusting. If I win with a weak character im not happy bc of the 7 minutes of struggle I just went thru. The game is just too simple and cheesy. So being smart doesnt even feel rewarding. Thats why I want them to make it at least a lil more competitive.
i loved this video because its construstive, it dosent just degrade the game like others. with that said, i feel like they need more testers for characters when they change them, im scared them changong mechanics may add stupid thats that go overlooked
experimental queue can be an option instead of messing with perks, like yes its a good way but it can also harm if the perk became too good and u end up forcing everyone to have this perk to win instead of it being just a optional playstyle, like adding wave dash as a perk is gonna make some characters way much better than others, so it might create some unbalance, so i think that adding experimental queue to test stuff out before release would be great
Do not bring back dodge cancels out of charge attacks There's literally no risk or counter play when characters like Buggs will charge side air and cancel it with no way to punish it Also they need to add character collision so you can't attack through or walk through your opponent So many times you can just miss an attack cause you phased through your opponent last second
Yes the new movement speed is slow compared to the beta but I will honestly take this over the dodge spam mess that was the beta where characters can dodge jump from one end to the map and cover over half the stage I would like to see shields be added so the only defensive option isn't just running away
I would very much enjoy faster full dodge reaction, it frustrates me knowing whats coming, reacting to it and not able to punish because attacks aren't fast enough
most of the people that wanted shields have already gone back to playing smash/rivals2. adding shields now will make the game go from 4000 active players to 400.
@@jonathanchavez8881parrying does work! Rivals of Aether’s parries are wonderful and unlike shields they don’t slow down the pace of the match by holding them forever. I think the problem with these parries in multiversus is how they seem to be a “catch-all” without any drawback past landing one. In RoA, jabs couldn’t be parried, forcing placers to act smart about when they throw it out, (plus longer end lag ofc) I think multiversus has the right ideas with a lot of things but unfortunately drops the ball on execution
Unpopular opinion, but I think it would be interesting if all characters could use Stevens Armor Shield. Multiversus already has a solution to Shielding which is Armor breaking attacks so they wouldn't have to add grabs to the game, but they would need to give characters more attacks that can break armor, I think there are characters who don't even have one.
Really interesting point with the jump height. Honestly It feels so bad not being able to really use air attacks because they are so telegraphed. You basically have to burn meter to do a down dodge hop to create mixup for air attack plays
Im so sorry I just really hope the devs listen to Bam and not Void. It seems like Bam really understands what people want from the game and void (while not wrong for this) just has very personal and unique takes that is what he likes personally but not the community at large
What I like (or maybe just find interesting) is how many people want to see MVS get better. It shows that the game has potential, but it's just not reaching it. Of course, everyone has their own opinion that other people won't agree with, and I know there isn't a "perfect solution," but I do prefer a complex game that provides proper tutorials and opportunities for casual players. I just hope the constructive complaints shine through the wave of... well, the other stuff.
I feel the same way about the jump and side air. Especially against shorter fighters I can’t jump and side air hit them because I’ll just miss due to their heights and the height of my jump. What they need to try to do is give the ability to hop step almost like smash bros stick diagonal jump which opens up a lot of air abilities and combos on the floor. Now some people would be able to start combos using side airs instead of having to jump first
As the guy who was supposed to write the essay awhile ago, all it took was time for you and others to grasp the situation. It's as if PFG can't pick a lane and they're going halfway in one, then turning into the other.
Dodge is not strong lmao. There’s no point in dodging in this game when it barely works and if someone is spamming all you’re doing is dodging a single move just to get hit by the other.
I dont think dodging and parrying are a big issue but i think hitboxes are the number 1 thing they need to address and balancing. Its crazy how unfair some of the match ups are because of certain character kits just being better then others.
im more agreed with your vision than the more generalist one from the video you did react to its cool that MVS tries to push some original gameplay and not just be a clone with good skins but yeah the big big points you were right about IMO are 1- stop removing things from the gameplay to make it "more accessible" 2- add more options to remove some of the linearity of the gameplay (like the minimum jump height) and 3- fix those F ing hitboxes and hurtboxes especially the amount of active frame and the "hit forward but still deal damage behind with no visual logic" also too many easy cheesy frustrating spammable mechanix from some characters, while some others only have terrible frame data to a point where it, in some matchups, feels like the opponent can just infinite spam without any punish window love on y'all
The dodge mechanic should be a purely defensive maneuver with a longer recovery and distance that it covers, you also shouldn't be able to cancel into it or from it What we should have is a DASH mechanic that is much faster, can be canceled into or out of, and most importantly... DOESN'T HAVE INVINCIBILITY
See, I like how good jabs are in the game, I like that they nerfed them in neutral, and... I don't like how hard it is to combo off of anything else - especially aerials. Jabs being good is cool - jabs being so overcentric to people's combo game universally is an issue. edit: Directional based blocking is also a thing in Fraymakers, and - correct me if im wrong - i believe that came first. Very good game, just a shame update progress is so slow nobody remembers it. edit2: The minimum jump height issue is probably my biggest issue with the game tbh. Its why its so hard to pressure with aerials, so hard to move around, and part of why jabs and grounded moves are so overdominant edit3: I LOVE the perk system, but in the beta there were so many options and different characters got value out of different things, while in the current version, so many options are the right choice for most of the cast, with the variety existing mostly for niche cases or projectile characters.
I swear if they dont add shields or some sort of blocking/better defense mechanics i am so done with multiversus the lack of defense options sucks dodging is not enough and the parry system sucks
Theres so much they could have done with the perk system but they even toned it down. The signature perks are so lame and situational that 90% of the time i just take the 5% dmg boost
Hitboxes need jesus, and I feel passive play is so prominent in the game. It makes so many characters feel so boring to face and sets become the slogfest. Obviously, I'd like to see a more dynamic meta opposed to the same top-tier characters remain top tier. Additionally, I feel there's a problem where characters are encouraged to go for the same move or combo for many characters. Maybe just more options? And tuning down stronger ones. Off the top of my head, Joker. LOTS of combo potential, but uh, they just go for jab jab dair dspecial upair. For the passive play, I think jab needs to be a bit weaker across the board.
2 piques my interest! Infinite is such an underutilized (and frankly, terribly written) character. He was made off of design alone and no thought put behind him. Just like Sonic 06! I love Infinite's design and powers, and i could tell they were going for a Reverse-Flash for Shadow and have him be in more material afterward. I honestly dont really know why they anchored him to sonic when he was basically created due to Shadow's comment. Infinite would work (pun incoming) infinitely better as a side antagonist for Sonic, but largely be explored and have a full character arc in a longer, more thought out Episode Shadow. (Which, i guess they kinda did..?) Anyway, I think its crazy how hyped up this villain was only for his game to suck and him be basically killed offscreen, with a nigh 0% chance to return. But that only means they had to have bigger plans for him! ...Right..?
I launched the game for the first time since beta, couldn't buy anything in the shop or get any new character using tickets from the beta, never playing the game again
Pienso que no es buena idea, a diferencia de Smash, este juego puede disfrutarse realmente bien con un D-Pad y cuando ya sabes jugar puede ser bastante más preciso. Creo que se siente más como un juego de plataformas real.
The big mistake that they should have worked on more is applying more cool down abilities / longer attack spam delay abilities in a game that doesn’t have shielding like smash.
NO. Absolutely not. That’s a smash bros thing, not multiversus. The counter is your shield, and that’s as close enough as we need to get. What they need to do is stop nerfing Harley…. But its all good because we’ll always be the best
I think the perk system hinders improvement. In practice, perks are altering the game-state in a flimsy way. They should make the game better in a concrete way. They should focus on frame-data and hitboxes. Start-up and attack decay. Normal fighter measures that will bring up the baseline. It's infuriating getting hit from the back of a hitbox when the opponent is facing away. We do not get rewarded for positioning. We get rewarded for waiting which makes the game feel terrible. In no other fighter must you dodge and wait till the enemies animation (for an attack he wiffs on in the opposite direction) in order to engage. Fast fall is clunky. Movement is so slow they had to increase it in 1v1. Adding tech from other games before fixing what is fundamentally wrong with combat. Active hitboxes on wiffed moves. Animation and hitbox DO NOT line-up. The list goes on... Instead add PPG. GGWP
Perks being completely underutilized is 1 of the biggest downfalls. This game could have so much more creativity and player expression but they’re afraid to break the game 😔 LET ME DO FUN STUFF
PFG should have just handed off the beta build to another dev team cause they did everything wrong that year hiatus and 5 month period of silence before that 🥴
I don’t. There is are a few very off-putting issues and mechanics that make this game just feel off compared to every single other PF fighter in existence (regardless of how different from each other each of those games are). There is an argument to be made that brawlout had better game feel and movement compared to Multiverse. It’s not a game killer, I love this game and I love that they are willing to make wild changes while it’s young to make it an overall better game, but they definitely need to do more work
I was having a lot of fun with the game. But I feel like this game has too many spammers. People just find a gimmick that works for them and spams it none stop.
I ABSOLUTELY VERY MUCH Disagree that the beta was fast FOR NO REASON ????!!!!!???? THE BETA WAS FAST FOR A DANG GOOD REASON It was so fun ! MOVEMENT in a game like this is one of the most important thing and feeling fast was part of what made is SO FUN. Its not ''For no reason'' AT ALL ! Its one of the most important reason a video game could have to exist at all !
Stop nerfing all the characters,make every character near equally broken so the games more unique. Add individual stocks 2v2s.and increase speed back up
Dodge is horrible in this game the amount of times I dodged behind somebody and still get hit from behind while my opponent is facing the other direction is uncountable.
🤣🤣🤣 how about just make the characters fair .....some characters momentum on they moves with so little recovery like batman wonder woman and joker air moves is insane......but yet tom nd jerry air moves besides the up special basically keeps him punishiable
Shields and grabs go hand in hand. We need them both. Also need that teching When we hit the ground and we actually hit the button, so I don't get comboed to 100 off one jab combo. The auto teching is cool but feels like it's good if you keep missing your techs.
Overhaul the visuals so they don’t look like a mobile phone game, put a bunch of the sauce back in (such as jumping into follow-ups off of attacks) and make the rifts playable
Can we quit pretending like this game is supposed to be for casuals lol. It’s just not and at this point it will die if they don’t realize that and make the game faster like most people want. No matter how they do it all the end lag and input lag needs to go, movements feeling sluggish needs to go. We just want faster gameplay everything else is basically okay aside from some balance issues.
lol how would i fix multiversus?? glad you asked! Dodge system: When a player is out of dodge meter the player will no longer be able to dodge just like when a player has no jumps or specials on the air. recovery frames: players should not be able to dodge out of certain attacks like slides/dash attacks or ringout moves RP system: more rp characters: nerf shaggy, nerf WW armor attack (cooldown) nerf joke crowbar for the love of god..buff jake buff velma buff finn buff superman perks : bring back perks
@@NinjaSpicoliman i really hope the devs don't lissen you people when it comes to balancing cuz yall have no idea what you're talking about. Increasing cooldown for moves that already have massive timers is lazy and incentivises camping even more(in fact, all cooldowns for meele attacks should be reduced for this dame reason). Jake and Velma are lame ass characters, just saying they should be buffed is bad if you don't push for changes that don't keep their insuferable playsyle. The problem with Joker biggest issue is not the crowbar. If anything, they could make the grounded version a bit weeker end make baloon weeker aswell. He's main issue is that he's neutral tools are stupid. Joker card is way to good, fart has a stupid hitbox and so does the cane. I'd slightly increse the cooldown for cards and make do that joker card cant break through armour. Then they just need to give hip dicent hitboxes on he's air especials and done! Oh, and nerf wiff dodgimg downair, it together with fart and cane makes he's aerial gane insane for no reason. As for Shaggy, nerf he's up especial, remove he's ability to complitely ignore the endlag of his dash attack with dodge, slightly reduce the vertical range of he's DA, and give him a cooldown rotation for he's sandwiches (like Harley's plushes)
@@menendez4004 My guy said my changes were trash and then agreed with me saying shaggy needs nefs after disagreeing saying he doesn’t…can you make up your mind or you gonna keep Contradicting yourself ..doesn’t matter if jake and velma are lame there are players out there who play them doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be good characters because the character is “lame” i hope PFG never listens to you about changes because that’s some of the most idiotic things i’ve ever seen someone say when it comes to character balance..move around lol..anyone saying WW grounded forward special doesn’t need a cooldown and hitbox change must either be tlkn out of his ass or must be a WW player, I said nerve jokers crowbar because the hit box on. It seems to be a lot bigger when he charges it vs when he doesn’t because I never get hit on the other side or behind him when he swings it’s only after he charges it. why he needs a vertical 180 hit box I’ll never know Why Harley needs a 360 hitbox on her air neutral attack I’ll never know…im not asking for anything crazy just some tweaks, i asked them to buff 3 characters and nerf 2…my changes are minimal compared to other ppl
@@NinjaSpicoli wdym i agreed with 80% of everything yet i'm idiotic?lol Those characters could get buffed, but if they just get them better tools, it will be insuferable. Balance means nothing if leeds to lame ass gameplay. "Don't @ me again" lol you ain't that important
1. Make it 100% more like beta, beta was way WAY WAY more fun, the new version is ballz no joy for me 2. GIVE PPL CHARACTERS! GIVE F2P CHARACTERS! YOUR GAME IS DYING! STOP TRYING TO GET THE BAG!!! GET THE PLAYERS THAN GET THE BAG!!!
you can't. it's shit lol. season 3 will be hype for a week due to PPG and then the player count will decline once again. my only issue with the game honestly is balancing. they listen to casual bums who don't know how to play and they kill the character i play each patch lol. when you take away cool things and creative options that i once had it makes me not want to play. make bugs nair have old combos (don't add back loops), fix batman dash attacks, fix harley consistency, fix reindog everything and then ill consider playing your game again. 😁 until then, let it die
It lame? Almost every platform fighter has some form of blocking. It adds complexity to neutral interactions, instead of just mashing in each others face
One way to fix it is instead of adding new characters fix the ones they already got then once they do that instead of adding random characters either do a pull of characters to choose from or pick popular characters from different shows like how Batman is popular in general. They could add Deadpool wolverine maybe even teen titan characters like robin
You're just an unhappy noob, there are games running on half the ppl MV currently has. Stop being annoying bro nobody cares about you thinking a game you can't play is dead, well, maybe I do, I'm responding LOL
The animations in this game werent made with hitboxes in mind.
I hate how correct this feels
"MVS is a game thats really easy to get mad at". Truer words have never been said. Smash can occasionally bring out my salt, but MVS regularly feels extremely frustrating. And I havent been able to put my finger on exactly WHY, but I figure it's because so much of the game's BS is so free to execute. When you get exploded it feels like cheese, not like an expression of skill.
Agree completely like characters have such spammable things that reward them so much to a cutscene combo
Smash makes me mad too lol
Plus the fact that someone from ANY rank could just appears and destroy you in ranked Is very frustrating
@@Evello37 samurai jack got hella nerfs and I still run into dudes who mash jab, which isn’t even super frustrating but being edge guarded by him is what actually annoys me
Nah it's definitely brawlhalla
Another big issue with movement is that they chamged the way that fast fall works. It feels like you're deploying a parachute everytime you tey to fast fall 😂
lmfaooo that is so true
Thats exactly what my problem is too, i feel like jump height might also have somethin to do with it but really fix jumps/fastfall and make parry more reliable, and a overall hitbox fix update and that would solve most gameplay issues I tend to have left
It really do feel like that 😂😂
For me its about the size of the characters too, just get them smaller like 10% i feel like everyone is huge!
Even when ur doing a move in the air it’s like something is holding u back from hitting the floor
Minimum jump height has been killing me i HATEEE the feeling of how many things lock us out of controlling the character for SO long
The problem with multiverses is a lack of wiff punish. There's not enough punish for missing.
Absolutely. Half the characters dodge directly after an attack and vise versa. Either speed the game back up or balance all this shit. It drives me nuts the game has been out so long and they csnt figure out the balancing. I'm so closed to quitting
Easily the biggest problem with the game even with it slowed down a bit - like reading opponents almost don’t matter with the way you can’t whiff punish half the cast
I was playing ranked 2v2 and I had a plat duo queue sitting on top of each other spamming grounded neutral on Jack and Arya. They covered the whole stage, they covered each other, and they could it repeatedly.
I was playing Jason and there was legit nothing I could do and my teammate wasn't the greatest. I couldn't approach from the air because I was just too slow to punish them and I can outrun the range to hit them after the attack. 0 fucking wiff lag made this possible.
This, this is what makes the game feel so frustrating. After the opponent misses, there are virtually no recovery frames. They can instantly dodge.
Yup i agree. This game is such a spam fest and 2s specifically suffers because of this. Samurai jack spamming that sword dashing, shaggy side special spam, etc etc I feel theres so many moves that have no intention of being anything other a move to throw and hit without repercussions.
THANK YOU for talking about the minimal jump height. If the want to fix the aerial movement in this game they need to: 1-reduce shorthops and increase ( slightly) full hops; 2-reduce ne amount of aerials that totally stall your vertical momentum, or at least make so that the ones that do it act more subtly; 3-make so that landing with an aerial cuts your endlag significantly.
Aditionally, i believe they could add edgecanceling for landing aerials and code the platforms and ground to make it possible to dodgeland horizontaly
You’re so right about the fulfilling thing. Deadlock and 2XKO are great examples but also Valorant. It’s one of the biggest games in the world and its not easy AT ALL. But its so fulfilling to get your first 3k or to rank up. Winning in MVS just isnt fulfilling at all. If I win with a OP character I feel disgusting. If I win with a weak character im not happy bc of the 7 minutes of struggle I just went thru. The game is just too simple and cheesy. So being smart doesnt even feel rewarding. Thats why I want them to make it at least a lil more competitive.
i loved this video because its construstive, it dosent just degrade the game like others.
with that said, i feel like they need more testers for characters when they change them, im scared them changong mechanics may add stupid thats that go overlooked
True. I see a lot of people saying they want attack decay back not understanding the negative implications bringing back attack decay would have.
experimental queue can be an option instead of messing with perks, like yes its a good way but it can also harm if the perk became too good and u end up forcing everyone to have this perk to win instead of it being just a optional playstyle, like adding wave dash as a perk is gonna make some characters way much better than others, so it might create some unbalance, so i think that adding experimental queue to test stuff out before release would be great
11:34 i think this is a chief example in why they slowed down the game and/or scaled up the models, because who is hitting THAT intentionally?
Do not bring back dodge cancels out of charge attacks
There's literally no risk or counter play when characters like Buggs will charge side air and cancel it with no way to punish it
Also they need to add character collision so you can't attack through or walk through your opponent
So many times you can just miss an attack cause you phased through your opponent last second
Yes the new movement speed is slow compared to the beta but I will honestly take this over the dodge spam mess that was the beta where characters can dodge jump from one end to the map and cover over half the stage
I would like to see shields be added so the only defensive option isn't just running away
The jump being more flexible would be sooooo nice actually yes
I love that squidward window 😭
Same, I literally just looked it up and bought it online because of how funny and awesome it is. Gonna gift it to someone for Christmas.
I would very much enjoy faster full dodge reaction, it frustrates me knowing whats coming, reacting to it and not able to punish because attacks aren't fast enough
i find the addition of shields as boring and uncreative
most of the people that wanted shields have already gone back to playing smash/rivals2. adding shields now will make the game go from 4000 active players to 400.
Its just an idea but u love to get spamed in game?
What Solution u suggest then?
@@jonathanchavez8881parrying does work! Rivals of Aether’s parries are wonderful and unlike shields they don’t slow down the pace of the match by holding them forever.
I think the problem with these parries in multiversus is how they seem to be a “catch-all” without any drawback past landing one. In RoA, jabs couldn’t be parried, forcing placers to act smart about when they throw it out, (plus longer end lag ofc)
I think multiversus has the right ideas with a lot of things but unfortunately drops the ball on execution
@@johnmarkson1990 3k ? the game now have with all platforms is 2k at best
@@blastingpew its 2k just on steam alone. its not crazy to think ps4,5 and xbox are an extra 1k on top of that.
just here to push the Rivals of Aether II agenda... Not a hater, just a Rivals enthusiast. October 23rd, mark your calendars. That's it, goodbye
Fix the hitboxes and bugs speed the game up a little and it’s good
Unpopular opinion, but I think it would be interesting if all characters could use Stevens Armor Shield. Multiversus already has a solution to Shielding which is Armor breaking attacks so they wouldn't have to add grabs to the game, but they would need to give characters more attacks that can break armor, I think there are characters who don't even have one.
Really interesting point with the jump height. Honestly It feels so bad not being able to really use air attacks because they are so telegraphed. You basically have to burn meter to do a down dodge hop to create mixup for air attack plays
Im so sorry I just really hope the devs listen to Bam and not Void. It seems like Bam really understands what people want from the game and void (while not wrong for this) just has very personal and unique takes that is what he likes personally but not the community at large
What I like (or maybe just find interesting) is how many people want to see MVS get better. It shows that the game has potential, but it's just not reaching it. Of course, everyone has their own opinion that other people won't agree with, and I know there isn't a "perfect solution," but I do prefer a complex game that provides proper tutorials and opportunities for casual players.
I just hope the constructive complaints shine through the wave of... well, the other stuff.
I feel the same way about the jump and side air. Especially against shorter fighters I can’t jump and side air hit them because I’ll just miss due to their heights and the height of my jump. What they need to try to do is give the ability to hop step almost like smash bros stick diagonal jump which opens up a lot of air abilities and combos on the floor. Now some people would be able to start combos using side airs instead of having to jump first
As the guy who was supposed to write the essay awhile ago, all it took was time for you and others to grasp the situation. It's as if PFG can't pick a lane and they're going halfway in one, then turning into the other.
Dodge is not strong lmao. There’s no point in dodging in this game when it barely works and if someone is spamming all you’re doing is dodging a single move just to get hit by the other.
I think the solution is just to add short hops and and make the parry window on neutral dodge a little more forgiving. Like 2 or 3 frames
Completely agree about the perks. Give us hella perk options. There should not be a 1 set beats them all in my opinion
For Jack's Down Special Projectile I like to use UpTilt into Down Special to bring it out.
Fix the hit boxes. I think its stupid that I'm behind someone and I get hit by THEIR jab combo when I try hitting them from behind
I still have no idea how these guys hasn’t hired the people behind Project M.
I would like to see them add tilts and back airs so that you can be more creative with your combos.
I dont think dodging and parrying are a big issue but i think hitboxes are the number 1 thing they need to address and balancing. Its crazy how unfair some of the match ups are because of certain character kits just being better then others.
im more agreed with your vision than the more generalist one from the video you did react to
its cool that MVS tries to push some original gameplay and not just be a clone with good skins
but yeah the big big points you were right about IMO are 1- stop removing things from the gameplay to make it "more accessible" 2- add more options to remove some of the linearity of the gameplay (like the minimum jump height) and 3- fix those F ing hitboxes and hurtboxes especially the amount of active frame and the "hit forward but still deal damage behind with no visual logic"
also too many easy cheesy frustrating spammable mechanix from some characters, while some others only have terrible frame data to a point where it, in some matchups, feels like the opponent can just infinite spam without any punish window
love on y'all
Dead lock is fucking awesome ..25 hours in already
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The dodge mechanic should be a purely defensive maneuver with a longer recovery and distance that it covers, you also shouldn't be able to cancel into it or from it
What we should have is a DASH mechanic that is much faster, can be canceled into or out of, and most importantly... DOESN'T HAVE INVINCIBILITY
Reindog has endless starters wit sair
i literally use the platforms to fake jumps 😂 they really got no use
WW air neutral attack would be a great approach if she didnt jump 50 feet in the air telegraphing the attack lol
Man i need this game on switch and Mordecai and Rigby added
Your solved it add all of it in perks and you choose between a shield or wavedashing or all dodge attacks are one bar in a new perk slot
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10:51 SPIT BRUH SPITTT
I haven't seen him stream it in a while. Did he quit already?
They need to add friendly fire on ranked 2's!
See, I like how good jabs are in the game, I like that they nerfed them in neutral, and... I don't like how hard it is to combo off of anything else - especially aerials.
Jabs being good is cool - jabs being so overcentric to people's combo game universally is an issue.
edit: Directional based blocking is also a thing in Fraymakers, and - correct me if im wrong - i believe that came first. Very good game, just a shame update progress is so slow nobody remembers it.
edit2: The minimum jump height issue is probably my biggest issue with the game tbh. Its why its so hard to pressure with aerials, so hard to move around, and part of why jabs and grounded moves are so overdominant
edit3: I LOVE the perk system, but in the beta there were so many options and different characters got value out of different things, while in the current version, so many options are the right choice for most of the cast, with the variety existing mostly for niche cases or projectile characters.
I wish there was an option to hop
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I swear if they dont add shields or some sort of blocking/better defense mechanics i am so done with multiversus the lack of defense options sucks dodging is not enough and the parry system sucks
Theres so much they could have done with the perk system but they even toned it down. The signature perks are so lame and situational that 90% of the time i just take the 5% dmg boost
Hitboxes need jesus, and I feel passive play is so prominent in the game. It makes so many characters feel so boring to face and sets become the slogfest.
Obviously, I'd like to see a more dynamic meta opposed to the same top-tier characters remain top tier.
Additionally, I feel there's a problem where characters are encouraged to go for the same move or combo for many characters. Maybe just more options? And tuning down stronger ones. Off the top of my head, Joker. LOTS of combo potential, but uh, they just go for jab jab dair dspecial upair.
For the passive play, I think jab needs to be a bit weaker across the board.
so happy that bam used my wavedashing footage from back in the beta! I hope we get wavedashing back!
2 piques my interest!
Infinite is such an underutilized (and frankly, terribly written) character. He was made off of design alone and no thought put behind him. Just like Sonic 06!
I love Infinite's design and powers, and i could tell they were going for a Reverse-Flash for Shadow and have him be in more material afterward. I honestly dont really know why they anchored him to sonic when he was basically created due to Shadow's comment. Infinite would work (pun incoming) infinitely better as a side antagonist for Sonic, but largely be explored and have a full character arc in a longer, more thought out Episode Shadow. (Which, i guess they kinda did..?)
Anyway, I think its crazy how hyped up this villain was only for his game to suck and him be basically killed offscreen, with a nigh 0% chance to return.
But that only means they had to have bigger plans for him! ...Right..?
majority of the characters aren't even being played they are just playing the top characters
I launched the game for the first time since beta, couldn't buy anything in the shop or get any new character using tickets from the beta, never playing the game again
Brawlhalla is a good example for platform usage
It might be just me, but I really think analog movement should be in this game, rather than digital
Pienso que no es buena idea, a diferencia de Smash, este juego puede disfrutarse realmente bien con un D-Pad y cuando ya sabes jugar puede ser bastante más preciso. Creo que se siente más como un juego de plataformas real.
The big mistake that they should have worked on more is applying more cool down abilities / longer attack spam delay abilities in a game that doesn’t have shielding like smash.
shields would be fiiiire
NO. Absolutely not. That’s a smash bros thing, not multiversus. The counter is your shield, and that’s as close enough as we need to get. What they need to do is stop nerfing Harley…. But its all good because we’ll always be the best
I think the perk system hinders improvement. In practice, perks are altering the game-state in a flimsy way. They should make the game better in a concrete way. They should focus on frame-data and hitboxes. Start-up and attack decay. Normal fighter measures that will bring up the baseline. It's infuriating getting hit from the back of a hitbox when the opponent is facing away. We do not get rewarded for positioning. We get rewarded for waiting which makes the game feel terrible. In no other fighter must you dodge and wait till the enemies animation (for an attack he wiffs on in the opposite direction) in order to engage.
Fast fall is clunky.
Movement is so slow they had to increase it in 1v1.
Adding tech from other games before fixing what is fundamentally wrong with combat.
Active hitboxes on wiffed moves.
Animation and hitbox DO NOT line-up.
The list goes on...
Instead add PPG.
GGWP
Nakat bricked the movement and character balancing he should leave the staff based on conflict of interest
Why are you blaming that on Nakat? As if the character balance wasn't bricked from the BEGINNING with shit like Beta Superman lmao.
@@nuibaba280 because nakat is a Wonder Woman main and she went from the most balanced character to another ladder combo unkillable super armor bitch
Perks being completely underutilized is 1 of the biggest downfalls. This game could have so much more creativity and player expression but they’re afraid to break the game 😔
LET ME DO FUN STUFF
PFG should have just handed off the beta build to another dev team cause they did everything wrong that year hiatus and 5 month period of silence before that 🥴
The game is fine like it is. It just lacks a better ranked mode where the RP and matchmaking is not broken.
agree
I don’t. There is are a few very off-putting issues and mechanics that make this game just feel off compared to every single other PF fighter in existence (regardless of how different from each other each of those games are). There is an argument to be made that brawlout had better game feel and movement compared to
Multiverse. It’s not a game killer, I love this game and I love that they are willing to make wild changes while it’s young to make it an overall better game, but they definitely need to do more work
What is a SAIR? a special air? i always get confused. there forward are down air up air never heard of SAIR
Side air?
Side air; characters in multiversus only have one directional aerial as opposed to 2 (forward air and back air)
I mean they basically killed most of their playerbase at relaunch listening to the community I guess would fix this game idk I don’t play Ts
I was having a lot of fun with the game. But I feel like this game has too many spammers. People just find a gimmick that works for them and spams it none stop.
If multiversus ever added shields, I'm quitting day 1 after patch.
No shields is just gonna turn this game into block get punished block get punished or it’ll be like smash
Better then always press your combo starter move and win neutral 💀
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I ABSOLUTELY VERY MUCH Disagree that the beta was fast FOR NO REASON ????!!!!!???? THE BETA WAS FAST FOR A DANG GOOD REASON It was so fun ! MOVEMENT in a game like this is one of the most important thing and feeling fast was part of what made is SO FUN. Its not ''For no reason'' AT ALL ! Its one of the most important reason a video game could have to exist at all !
Bro’s idea of fun is moving around at uncontrolled speed with no idea of what going on and what he’s doing 😂
@@imaginaryking5276I mean if you had no idea what was going on then you might just be slow in the head the game speed was fine in the beta
Back when the game took skill🥲
@@s_gaming71 i saw that superman dodging footage once and told me that I’m glad the beta aint back
@@Y3AHxbl Good joke
Stop nerfing all the characters,make every character near equally broken so the games more unique. Add individual stocks 2v2s.and increase speed back up
This game is just up air simulator
Dodge is horrible in this game the amount of times I dodged behind somebody and still get hit from behind while my opponent is facing the other direction is uncountable.
guy just wants the game to turn into smash
Tal cuál, dejen al juego mantener su identidad.
The animations is my problem
🤣🤣🤣 how about just make the characters fair .....some characters momentum on they moves with so little recovery like batman wonder woman and joker air moves is insane......but yet tom nd jerry air moves besides the up special basically keeps him punishiable
Shields and grabs go hand in hand. We need them both. Also need that teching When we hit the ground and we actually hit the button, so I don't get comboed to 100 off one jab combo. The auto teching is cool but feels like it's good if you keep missing your techs.
Overhaul the visuals so they don’t look like a mobile phone game, put a bunch of the sauce back in (such as jumping into follow-ups off of attacks) and make the rifts playable
Can we quit pretending like this game is supposed to be for casuals lol. It’s just not and at this point it will die if they don’t realize that and make the game faster like most people want. No matter how they do it all the end lag and input lag needs to go, movements feeling sluggish needs to go. We just want faster gameplay everything else is basically okay aside from some balance issues.
Tell that to the delusional devs
Just revert the game back to the beta with stable servers and boom perfect fun game
Void, your analysis is spot on. Definitely the best "How to fix MVS" video I have seen.
lol how would i fix multiversus?? glad you asked!
Dodge system: When a player is out of dodge meter the player will no longer be able to dodge just like when a player has no jumps or specials on the air.
recovery frames: players should not be able to dodge out of certain attacks like slides/dash attacks or ringout moves
RP system: more rp
characters: nerf shaggy, nerf WW armor attack (cooldown) nerf joke crowbar for the love of god..buff jake buff velma buff finn buff superman
perks : bring back perks
@@NinjaSpicoliman i really hope the devs don't lissen you people when it comes to balancing cuz yall have no idea what you're talking about. Increasing cooldown for moves that already have massive timers is lazy and incentivises camping even more(in fact, all cooldowns for meele attacks should be reduced for this dame reason). Jake and Velma are lame ass characters, just saying they should be buffed is bad if you don't push for changes that don't keep their insuferable playsyle. The problem with Joker biggest issue is not the crowbar. If anything, they could make the grounded version a bit weeker end make baloon weeker aswell. He's main issue is that he's neutral tools are stupid. Joker card is way to good, fart has a stupid hitbox and so does the cane. I'd slightly increse the cooldown for cards and make do that joker card cant break through armour. Then they just need to give hip dicent hitboxes on he's air especials and done! Oh, and nerf wiff dodgimg downair, it together with fart and cane makes he's aerial gane insane for no reason.
As for Shaggy, nerf he's up especial, remove he's ability to complitely ignore the endlag of his dash attack with dodge, slightly reduce the vertical range of he's DA, and give him a cooldown rotation for he's sandwiches (like Harley's plushes)
@@menendez4004 My guy said my changes were trash and then agreed with me saying shaggy needs nefs after disagreeing saying he doesn’t…can you make up your mind or you gonna keep Contradicting yourself ..doesn’t matter if jake and velma are lame there are players out there who play them doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be good characters because the character is “lame” i hope PFG never listens to you about changes because that’s some of the most idiotic things i’ve ever seen someone say when it comes to character balance..move around lol..anyone saying WW grounded forward special doesn’t need a cooldown and hitbox change must either be tlkn out of his ass or must be a WW player, I said nerve jokers crowbar because the hit box on. It seems to be a lot bigger when he charges it vs when he doesn’t because I never get hit on the other side or behind him when he swings it’s only after he charges it. why he needs a vertical 180 hit box I’ll never know Why Harley needs a 360 hitbox on her air neutral attack I’ll never know…im not asking for anything crazy just some tweaks, i asked them to buff 3 characters and nerf 2…my changes are minimal compared to other ppl
@@NinjaSpicoli wdym i agreed with 80% of everything yet i'm idiotic?lol
Those characters could get buffed, but if they just get them better tools, it will be insuferable. Balance means nothing if leeds to lame ass gameplay.
"Don't @ me again" lol you ain't that important
@@NinjaSpicoli can't punish lasso= skill issue. Slow ass move.
@@menendez4004 when did I say anything about Lasso? I said armor. you can’t read 🤣🤣😂🤣😂yo stop @ me 🤡🤡🤡
1. Make it 100% more like beta, beta was way WAY WAY more fun, the new version is ballz no joy for me 2. GIVE PPL CHARACTERS! GIVE F2P CHARACTERS! YOUR GAME IS DYING! STOP TRYING TO GET THE BAG!!! GET THE PLAYERS THAN GET THE BAG!!!
This man is telling us this when he has Nakats number is literally in his phone
This guy looks so disheveled in every video😂
I do like the idea of a shield perk and just more perks that would change your play style
you can't. it's shit lol. season 3 will be hype for a week due to PPG and then the player count will decline once again. my only issue with the game honestly is balancing. they listen to casual bums who don't know how to play and they kill the character i play each patch lol. when you take away cool things and creative options that i once had it makes me not want to play. make bugs nair have old combos (don't add back loops), fix batman dash attacks, fix harley consistency, fix reindog everything and then ill consider playing your game again. 😁 until then, let it die
+1 MAKE IT A PERK
No shields. It’s lame. I like MVS parry but the window need to wider, it’s very hard to time correctly.
It lame? Almost every platform fighter has some form of blocking. It adds complexity to neutral interactions, instead of just mashing in each others face
No KO till 100% force people to actually fight rather then spending the whole match working towards their 1 cheesy early KO combo
Nothing will be better overall than Smash Bros 🤷🏽♂️
Only way to save it is to go back to beta days, other than that there’s no saving this game
click bait
One way to fix it is instead of adding new characters fix the ones they already got then once they do that instead of adding random characters either do a pull of characters to choose from or pick popular characters from different shows like how Batman is popular in general. They could add Deadpool wolverine maybe even teen titan characters like robin
This game feels like trash when you don't play with american/EU ping lol
This game is over im sorry y'all
Keep dreaming buddy. Not sorry
You're just an unhappy noob, there are games running on half the ppl MV currently has. Stop being annoying bro nobody cares about you thinking a game you can't play is dead, well, maybe I do, I'm responding LOL
@@AnimeHippie ok
multiversus needs jiggle physics on wonder woman, and if that doesnt get patched in soon, i am quitting the game
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