It’s not so much the damage. Even if you survive the gun fight. Those ticks of damage delay your health regen. Which already feels like it takes a year and a day in this game.
Agreed. Imo this might be my biggest problem with the gameplay loop that makes playing libertad a must to survive anything long term. Increasing it and making the burn penalty somewhere in between the normal Regen and the absurd fire Regen would help. I'm assuming the reason the other characters don't have faster Regen is Libertad can effectively boost your team, so there choice to make it more team oriented or line wolf oriented.
@@weiwu1442No it’s not lol. The health regen isn’t even that slow. Also, this faction doesnt exist JUST for this. Their abilities are good area control for objectives.
Very useful info as always! I estimated 10% range reduction myself so I'm glad to see you verify that. I had a feeling that the burn damage would just extend and not stack with every shot with full auto, but it pausing after the first tick until you stop dealing damage is very interesting
I been using the SVD the past few days on the Cleaner and I gotta say, I STRONGLY recommend more people try it. Probably the most fun setup I used so far. Could also one tap headshot with heavy barrel if you dont want to use the cleaner but still want to one tap with it.
this game just like call of duty games have ghost rounds, if your being shot and you go behind cover people can still hit you for a period of time if they keep shooting.
Thanks so much for this, and I look forward to more XDefiant coverage! The info you provide and your breakdowns are seriously life changing. There's no way I'd have the time to figure out all the intricacies on my own these days, especially with live service games
Not mentioned in the video, but the SVD does 98 damage to the head in it's first damage range, so a headshot against anything but Phantoms will be a one shot kill while playing as the Cleaners
I like using the SVD the most when combined with the cleaners faction. The added 2 shot kill consistency is nice, but I freaking love that it turns the headshots into 1 shot kills (except phantom players) with the base 98 damage and one tick of burn damage. As always, thanks for the awesome video Ace!
FYI with the M44 if you use the heavy barrel it will kill them in 1 shot instantly you don't need anything other than the first dmg tic and that happens instantly
I don't know how anyone can call you an Activision shill when here you are putting time and effort into testing and pumping out xDefiant videos. Keep it up and let's get more players on this great game!
The m1911 pistol NEEDS a buff. Having 7 bullets to work with until lvl 15 with xD's ttk is just not viable. Especially since i still have to pump 20 bullets into enemies that kill me instantly in half my lobbies. 10 hitmarkers = 13dmg done apparently
You sure? The 1911 feels decent but the Base beretta you get feels like ASS in comparison, even if you hit your shots you die anyways, it’s bad as a reliable secondary on a low or full hp enemy. The 1911 is way better in damage anyways
The 1911's 7 rounds is a joke when it takes minimum 5 shots to kill one target from full hp lmao. The 1911 along with the pump shotty and the AA12 are in desperate need of buffs.
@@grimfocusgaming4391 right?? I really wanna use it cuz i love the gun but my 7 bullets usually get me 6 hitmarkers of which 3 do DMG and then i die. :D
I love this ability and was praying that this breakdown would be high on your priority list! Absolutely loving the xDefiant content! Keep up the great work Ace!
Something to note is while libertad counters this in a sense, I think it also counters libertad healing too. Because there are guns that do exactly 100 damage but libertad will heal as you are shooting them making it take an extra shot to kill. The number of times I’ve left a libertad user with 1hp with a gun that would’ve killed a normal 100 hp player is too many to count. But burn damage could put you over the top to get that kill
The last challenges I'm missing in the game are the ones to unlock the Cleaners faction characters because I was waiting for you to make a video of how the burn damage works. So I can say that the wait was worth it.
I'm an echelon main but the cleaners are my go too anytime I use the m44. Another thing I've noticed that i think is great is (And it might be my imagination or placebo) how the fire will delay regen and deter people from staying put too long or playing too aggressive. Like if three people are escorting, I've found applying a quick burn effect to all three then ducking behind cover and waiting for my team will often push them off the payload if only for a moment to regen, but sometimes a moment is all i need for my team to catch up
@@TheXclusiveAce Yeah, fair enough. I get that the amount of work to go through all ranges and headshot combinations wouldn’t be feasible but as far as I can tell there is only one attachment that is relevant so it might be worth a mention. I apologize if my first comment came off argumentative I could have phrased that in a much better way.
@@quincj_ 😂 Are you saying I got owned because I chose to take the high road? I admit my wording was bad but I’m definitely right when it comes to the substance of what I was saying.
@RedKingdom28and yet this game came out complete, were getting feed back, and S1 content is looking amazing.. heck Y1 is already all ready o go.. and the game is free.. Cod and XDefiant are two different games.. but im having way more fun on X.
Ace, any chance of measuring the range, damage, and times of faction abilities? Like Echelon intel suit UAV ping, Libertads passive healing? Cleaners firebomb and incineration drone? Etc…
One note that I want to make is that the M44 with the heavy barrel can bring the damage up to 118 with an upper torso shot, with the first tick of 2 burn damage finishing the job (with a total of 120). This obviously has a pretty big drawback with slower fire rate, but I find it is worth it, especially when the enemy team has a few Phantoms.
The m4a1 is another that sees some nice benefit with Cleaners. In fact, I consider M4 to be right up there with AK if you are using Cleaners. Makes a huge difference against phantoms as well.
Not sure if/when I'll be able to do this. I can't test attachments until I unlock them and I don't get much time in a week to play so it could be weeks before I even max out attachments on a single gun.
@@TheXclusiveAce Take your time Ace, your thorough measurements and breakdowns are very much appreciated. Sucks it takes a while for weapons to level, hopefully they'll improve on that as you mentioned.
also, with the SVD marksman rifle, your headshot multiplier is 2x meaning you do 98 damage with a headshot. adding the 2 cleaner damage it effectively has 1shot headshot potential on 100hp opponents
Not a shotgun player, but playing the game, there are actually a lot of times I can specifically recall where I survived a shotgun shot, only to die to the last tick of burn damage. With the base shotgun atleast. Also, it does have a sort of secondary benefit, which is the fact that it delays healing for an additional second and a half. Which may not seem like much, but in higher level play, where you're going for trades a lot more and calling out enemies, it's a very good bonus. I'm torn because at one point I feel it could use some sort of buff considering it's countered by the 2 most popular factions, but at the same time, the benefits it gives are very strong. I cannot emphasize how important that extra second and a half are in terms of trades. Especially with the fast movement in the game. Often times you'll have to chase around a corner, or push a heady and if that player is half HP with extra downtime on healing they are 100% losing that gunfight. And both abilities are pretty strong as well. I think that if they buff the faction at all, they should simply give it immunity to opposing same-faction passive fire damage. Also, one thing I would like you to test when you get the time, does it make shooting enemy barriers any more effective. Idk why but it feels like it takes a billion bullets on any other class but I feel as though I destroy barriers a little more quickly on Cleaner. Hard to test but I think it would be interesting.
7:01 I think it might be worth noting that if you use the barrel that increases damage on the tac 50, then the burn damage can help you one-shot non-phantoms in other areas like the arms. The ads barrels are much better overall so it's kinda meme, but still it may be more useful for hardscopers in some situations
I thought I wouldn't like this faction but they're so much fun, the tick damage is a bit gimmicky but the abilities are super nice and if you're smart with their ultimate you can "clean" up a whole team.
So practically speaking, 2 damage 150ms after the first shot. Then depending if you hit additional shots, 6-8 damage over a couple seconds, in exchange for 10% less range?
I noticed that M44 sniper with the heavy barrel that increases the damage, taking it from 112 to upper chest up to 118 damage, the extra 2 damage will kill phantom with that first tick at 150ms.
I think the main point with incendiary rounds is to dealy healing for a second and a half eaven on the libertad factions by 1.5 actualy 1.65 and it also helps with dmg on some guns almost instantly and on others in random situations. I think that passive ability is pretty good in my opinion.
This character seems OP but in practice I think is actually not OP. I personally play Libertad-Remedio so maybe its just because i play a health character, BUT ive NEVER been killed by residual burn damage. Im curious as to maybe i regen health quicker than they can get off all of their burn damage? I see A LOT of cleaners in my game too, but I feel like in practice they dont actually have much of an upper hand with their passive. maybe due for a buff? its hard to say whether its under powered or not, i feel like this specific anility could be easily over powered. so maybe its perfect where it is?
I literally made a laodout called dragons breath to use specifically with the cleaners, then realized how much less damage you do within the already limited range of the shotguns. Playing hardcore shooters like Insurgency and Hell Let Loose makes you forget how abysmal shotguns are in arcade type fps games
I may be wrong on this but i do believe you do more damage to enemy equipment, or at least it feels like im able to take down phantom barriers pretty fast
I'm definitely curious to see the playerbase and how well the game does in 6 months to a years when the honey moon phase is over and if cheaters and Ubisoft will ruin it
Yeah, I'm really enjoying the game but I've already encountered a couple of cheaters and that gets me worried. Not nearly as much as COD but let's see how it goes.
While marksman rifles are good for the passive, I don’t find that they pair well with the cleaners’ abilities. Firebomb and fire drone are both fairly close range abilities. The drone may actually work pretty well, but fire bomb is only really viable running a sub imo.
Such a great game and MW3 is a great game as well. All the hate from both sides is childish/stupid, people acting like you cant enjoy a game without bashing on another are honestly extremely pathetic. Constructive criticism is one thing but just spewing hate is a whole differnet thing as well as what most people are doing unfortunately smdh!!!!🤦💯
Also please cover both games from now on because your the best at what you do on here and I will continue to enjoy both games personally, which your videos help with sooooooo much lol!!!!👍💯🔥🔥🔥🔥 5:54
I’ve been hitting players 4-5 shots with marksman rifle with cleaners faction and they don’t die… but I do from 2 bullets lol. Hope they fix that hit reg soon.
Some people are already complaining about Intel suit for Echelon, but I don't feel it's that bad, maybe small nerf to cool down or duration is in other since you can stack factions, but once more factions are added this will calm down I feel.
The DMR is my go to weapon. So cleaner might be a good pick for it but because its an teamplay kinda game i prefer to choose the AoE Heals over consistent 2shot kills because with it not only i can heal myself and survive 3-4 vs me situations AND I can give that power to my mates and that even after i died.
i'd love to love this game but the amount of hitmarkers with no dmg dealt that I've been getting makes it almost uplayable. A shotgun hit to the chest from 2m away? 0 dmg. Or 12. Or 4. However much it feels like giving me, i guess. 2 hitmarkers from an AK up close? 10 dmg. Take it or leave it. How?? That's below the minimum dmg that gun does. How is that even possible????
Yes I've been getting a lot of ghost hitmarkers lately. You basically have to focus on the health bar, you're getting hit markers when your sights aren't properly on the hotboxes for some reason
@@folx2733 yeah but there's also times i replay the recording of a game, slow it down, clearly see myself hitting the other guy multiple times - 12dmg. Aaalright then, game. Feels like high dmg low ammo guns are just not viable for me rn
I think the Cleaners need more love in general, but the incendiary rounds are nicely balanced. I am not sure if there is really a way to buff the cleaners in any kind of way that doesn't push them over the edge. Maybe they're just a bottom pick but still balanced overall.
some other things with cleaners that people arent thinking of: if youre in a gunfight vs libertad that burn damage may not matter you may be outside of the max damage range and if you used anyone else, it would have costed one less bullet to win that fight anyway they may have a healer NEARBY them and help them to heal up that burn dmg applied so your additional damage doesnt matter Cleaners are easily the worst faction because their ULTRA ability is pretty good, but its not better than echelons but their passive and active abilitys are really bad. its cool to use a molotov, but the startup time is really bad and you use it in a close range situation where any skilled smg or shotgun player will kill you faster than you can activate it the molotov drone is really bad because its hard to use up close too and if its used far away MOST TIMES you can just dodge it.
You are actually wrong about the cleaners. They do 2 extra damage on all guns and sacrifice some range for the trade-off, then get a burn effect on top of it of 6 damage over 1.5 seconds. Plus, the Tac 50 is the best weapon for the cleaners to use because it does 90 at base plus 2 plus 6 gives you almost a one-shot kill if you get a hit marker right. But if you put the damage barrel on it, that gives you 5%weapon damage that turns the tac 50 into a 94 damage per shot plus 2 plus 6, meaning you one shot every one that's not a phantom by just getting a hit marker
One thing to talk about with the MM rifles is that the SVD has a higher HS multiplier and will one tap phantoms with the burn. MK20 will not be able to one tap phantoms ever
I thinka the passive is balanced nicely, its their ultra that is kinda underpowered, besides I had a feeling the M16 would improve using the cleaners and this confirmed it
Kinda funny to see the Cleaners are tuned to a more "Hit and Run, Dirty fighting" playstyle than the Libertad's actual guerilla fighters.
its weird tho cos their passive is tuned more to long range playstle, higher ttk means more burn ticks. Doesn't really mesh with their abilities
it’s just a poorly designed class, at least with its abilities themselves. the ult and passive are fine
Idk I think it’s fun for most guns it makes the kills more consistent at longer ranges or if you single fire
It’s not as good as fire was in cod vanguard but still useful
@@dakotacox3332 Yea, watching my friend Mic-drop a Molotov at his feet was an interesting design for an ability.
Please do this for every faction. Didn’t know I needed this info
Cleaners are the only one whos have a extra damage passive ability.
@@My0wnSavi0rI think they mean going in depth into how each faction’s mechanics work in general.
It’s not so much the damage. Even if you survive the gun fight. Those ticks of damage delay your health regen. Which already feels like it takes a year and a day in this game.
Agreed. Imo this might be my biggest problem with the gameplay loop that makes playing libertad a must to survive anything long term.
Increasing it and making the burn penalty somewhere in between the normal Regen and the absurd fire Regen would help.
I'm assuming the reason the other characters don't have faster Regen is Libertad can effectively boost your team, so there choice to make it more team oriented or line wolf oriented.
@@NuRRRL96 but isnt the fact that it needs the right hands a sign of balance?
health regen being slow as shit just to justify a class existing is bad game design
@@weiwu1442No it’s not lol. The health regen isn’t even that slow. Also, this faction doesnt exist JUST for this. Their abilities are good area control for objectives.
It's almost like the developers made a hero shooter where they are encouraging you to idk... Use teamwork and have your healer, tank, DPS roles
Very useful info as always! I estimated 10% range reduction myself so I'm glad to see you verify that. I had a feeling that the burn damage would just extend and not stack with every shot with full auto, but it pausing after the first tick until you stop dealing damage is very interesting
This is a video I was waiting for. GREAT job man. Thanks for doing this in depth analysis.
LET’S GO XDEFIANT CONTENT BABYYYYYY
On a separate channel, please
@@cheponisnah its taking over
@@cheponisno cod is dead
@@BobB-z4k sure. Tell that to Microsoft/Activision.
@@cheponis it has less players than ever lol
I been using the SVD the past few days on the Cleaner and I gotta say, I STRONGLY recommend more people try it. Probably the most fun setup I used so far. Could also one tap headshot with heavy barrel if you dont want to use the cleaner but still want to one tap with it.
This explains why I'm dying around corners. It totally makes since now.
This is a great video!
this game just like call of duty games have ghost rounds, if your being shot and you go behind cover people can still hit you for a period of time if they keep shooting.
The cleaners ground pound is god tier
Ayo! No diddy!
I use the drone because I find I just die if I try to use the firebomb
@@Catorlyt NOTHING CLEANS LIKE BURNING
KABOOM
@@Catorlyttry using around corners to prevent people from pushing you when weak
Loving this game so far honestly
Thanks so much for this, and I look forward to more XDefiant coverage! The info you provide and your breakdowns are seriously life changing. There's no way I'd have the time to figure out all the intricacies on my own these days, especially with live service games
Not mentioned in the video, but the SVD does 98 damage to the head in it's first damage range, so a headshot against anything but Phantoms will be a one shot kill while playing as the Cleaners
Shhh don't let people know lol
Don't reveal our secrets
Thank you for putting your time and effort into these videos, like you always do. Very much appreciated having someone do the math for you. Thank you!
I like using the SVD the most when combined with the cleaners faction. The added 2 shot kill consistency is nice, but I freaking love that it turns the headshots into 1 shot kills (except phantom players) with the base 98 damage and one tick of burn damage. As always, thanks for the awesome video Ace!
FYI with the M44 if you use the heavy barrel it will kill them in 1 shot instantly you don't need anything other than the first dmg tic and that happens instantly
Im having such a good time with this game. Been grinding the last few days
Just a few bug fixes and it will be great IMO
I LOVE XDefiant content!
Thank you for your time making videos lve been with you at the start of Cod. Love your content
I don't know how anyone can call you an Activision shill when here you are putting time and effort into testing and pumping out xDefiant videos. Keep it up and let's get more players on this great game!
This is such high quality content. Thanks Ace!
Yeah Cleaners has become my fav atm
The m1911 pistol NEEDS a buff. Having 7 bullets to work with until lvl 15 with xD's ttk is just not viable. Especially since i still have to pump 20 bullets into enemies that kill me instantly in half my lobbies. 10 hitmarkers = 13dmg done apparently
You sure? The 1911 feels decent but the Base beretta you get feels like ASS in comparison, even if you hit your shots you die anyways, it’s bad as a reliable secondary on a low or full hp enemy. The 1911 is way better in damage anyways
On god, it’s so terrible to use, all the downsides of deag with no dmg upsides
The 1911's 7 rounds is a joke when it takes minimum 5 shots to kill one target from full hp lmao. The 1911 along with the pump shotty and the AA12 are in desperate need of buffs.
@@grimfocusgaming4391 right?? I really wanna use it cuz i love the gun but my 7 bullets usually get me 6 hitmarkers of which 3 do DMG and then i die. :D
None of the pistols kill quickly
I love this ability and was praying that this breakdown would be high on your priority list! Absolutely loving the xDefiant content! Keep up the great work Ace!
Something to note is while libertad counters this in a sense, I think it also counters libertad healing too. Because there are guns that do exactly 100 damage but libertad will heal as you are shooting them making it take an extra shot to kill. The number of times I’ve left a libertad user with 1hp with a gun that would’ve killed a normal 100 hp player is too many to count. But burn damage could put you over the top to get that kill
The last challenges I'm missing in the game are the ones to unlock the Cleaners faction characters because I was waiting for you to make a video of how the burn damage works. So I can say that the wait was worth it.
People are forgetting the biggest strength the Cleaners have…
IT’S DRIP OR DROWN, AND WITH THIS GAS MASK, I’M FLOATING
I just assumed it was a percentage so thanks for doing the math for me. Loving XDefiant and your coverage of it!
I'm an echelon main but the cleaners are my go too anytime I use the m44. Another thing I've noticed that i think is great is (And it might be my imagination or placebo) how the fire will delay regen and deter people from staying put too long or playing too aggressive. Like if three people are escorting, I've found applying a quick burn effect to all three then ducking behind cover and waiting for my team will often push them off the payload if only for a moment to regen, but sometimes a moment is all i need for my team to catch up
One thing you missed with the svd is its higher headshot multiplyer, which does 98 damage and makes the gun a 1 shot to the head after the first tick.
You forgot about damage increasing barrels. For example the RPK with the damage barrel will deal 96 damage in 4 shots.
Didn’t forget. That falls under the section where I mentioned I couldn’t viably cover every combination of multipliers, ranges, and attachments
@@TheXclusiveAce Yeah, fair enough. I get that the amount of work to go through all ranges and headshot combinations wouldn’t be feasible but as far as I can tell there is only one attachment that is relevant so it might be worth a mention. I apologize if my first comment came off argumentative I could have phrased that in a much better way.
@@jonesyxxivowned
@@quincj_ 😂 Are you saying I got owned because I chose to take the high road? I admit my wording was bad but I’m definitely right when it comes to the substance of what I was saying.
@@jonesyxxiv honestly I was just trolling because I was stoned and thought it was funny. You made a solid point.
I think the Ak-47 is worth mentioning also, being able to 3 tap to the head is a big ttk decrease.
Use me as the XDefiant > COD button
BY FAR💯😮💨
XDefiant doesn’t have jack sh** on CoD
@RedKingdom28and yet this game came out complete, were getting feed back, and S1 content is looking amazing.. heck Y1 is already all ready o go.. and the game is free..
Cod and XDefiant are two different games.. but im having way more fun on X.
@RedKingdom28 The game is free and it’s fun. CoD costs 60 dollars minimum and isn’t even in a finished state on release. Big L for CoD right here
I personally prefer the mp in XDefiant but I feel that until the netcode improves it's not going to work out well...
Ace, any chance of measuring the range, damage, and times of faction abilities? Like Echelon intel suit UAV ping, Libertads passive healing? Cleaners firebomb and incineration drone? Etc…
Remember, if a Cleaner leaves you with under 10HP,
you are dead. No big surprise.
Unless you're a Libertad or can get close to a friendly Libertad player immediately.
Not until they fix whatever bug that lets you cancel all burn dmg by crouching
@@HowManyToasters pretty sure that's intentional. Sort of a "drop and roll" thing in a game where you can't go prone. Worked similarly in BF1
@@HowManyToastersthanks good to know
@@folx2733 In BF1 you still burned just fine, just took reduced damage.
Loving the XDefiant videos man!
If you go to the practice zone, the advanced stats take the cleaners range reduction into account in the advanced stats page
Thanks for the vid, loving the xdefiant content
One note that I want to make is that the M44 with the heavy barrel can bring the damage up to 118 with an upper torso shot, with the first tick of 2 burn damage finishing the job (with a total of 120). This obviously has a pretty big drawback with slower fire rate, but I find it is worth it, especially when the enemy team has a few Phantoms.
The m4a1 is another that sees some nice benefit with Cleaners. In fact, I consider M4 to be right up there with AK if you are using Cleaners. Makes a huge difference against phantoms as well.
Great video. Definitely needed!
we need a lmg analysis video, loving the xdefiant content
TheXclusiveAce -> TheXDefiantAce 🤩
when is the attachment breakdowns per gun? im an xdefiant main now
Not sure if/when I'll be able to do this. I can't test attachments until I unlock them and I don't get much time in a week to play so it could be weeks before I even max out attachments on a single gun.
@@TheXclusiveAce Take your time Ace, your thorough measurements and breakdowns are very much appreciated. Sucks it takes a while for weapons to level, hopefully they'll improve on that as you mentioned.
@@TheXclusiveAce Any general recommendations for attachments from what you've used so far? Other than optics/mags
Great info X!
Thanks 🙌🏼
D50 is basically the only thing I use as cleaners. So nice to have the consistent 3 shot body shot pistol.
I wonder how nuch the incendiary rounds are making getting shot around a corner seem worse.
also, with the SVD marksman rifle, your headshot multiplier is 2x meaning you do 98 damage with a headshot. adding the 2 cleaner damage it effectively has 1shot headshot potential on 100hp opponents
Thanks for the info wow!! Now I'm going to level up my marksman rifles with cleaners equipped
Great stuff, thanks, Ace!
Not a shotgun player, but playing the game, there are actually a lot of times I can specifically recall where I survived a shotgun shot, only to die to the last tick of burn damage. With the base shotgun atleast.
Also, it does have a sort of secondary benefit, which is the fact that it delays healing for an additional second and a half. Which may not seem like much, but in higher level play, where you're going for trades a lot more and calling out enemies, it's a very good bonus. I'm torn because at one point I feel it could use some sort of buff considering it's countered by the 2 most popular factions, but at the same time, the benefits it gives are very strong. I cannot emphasize how important that extra second and a half are in terms of trades. Especially with the fast movement in the game. Often times you'll have to chase around a corner, or push a heady and if that player is half HP with extra downtime on healing they are 100% losing that gunfight. And both abilities are pretty strong as well. I think that if they buff the faction at all, they should simply give it immunity to opposing same-faction passive fire damage.
Also, one thing I would like you to test when you get the time, does it make shooting enemy barriers any more effective. Idk why but it feels like it takes a billion bullets on any other class but I feel as though I destroy barriers a little more quickly on Cleaner. Hard to test but I think it would be interesting.
7:01 I think it might be worth noting that if you use the barrel that increases damage on the tac 50, then the burn damage can help you one-shot non-phantoms in other areas like the arms. The ads barrels are much better overall so it's kinda meme, but still it may be more useful for hardscopers in some situations
I thought I wouldn't like this faction but they're so much fun, the tick damage is a bit gimmicky but the abilities are super nice and if you're smart with their ultimate you can "clean" up a whole team.
So practically speaking, 2 damage 150ms after the first shot. Then depending if you hit additional shots, 6-8 damage over a couple seconds, in exchange for 10% less range?
I noticed that M44 sniper with the heavy barrel that increases the damage, taking it from 112 to upper chest up to 118 damage, the extra 2 damage will kill phantom with that first tick at 150ms.
I think the main point with incendiary rounds is to dealy healing for a second and a half eaven on the libertad factions by 1.5 actualy 1.65 and it also helps with dmg on some guns almost instantly and on others in random situations. I think that passive ability is pretty good in my opinion.
I run Cleaners with the Double Barrel and the Deagle for close quarters maps like Arena and if you can manage the reload, you can have a lot of fun
This character seems OP but in practice I think is actually not OP. I personally play Libertad-Remedio so maybe its just because i play a health character, BUT ive NEVER been killed by residual burn damage. Im curious as to maybe i regen health quicker than they can get off all of their burn damage? I see A LOT of cleaners in my game too, but I feel like in practice they dont actually have much of an upper hand with their passive. maybe due for a buff? its hard to say whether its under powered or not, i feel like this specific anility could be easily over powered. so maybe its perfect where it is?
Why is the tac50 a nono?
From what I see I get quite a number of hits that do exactly 90 damage with the tac50. So isn't this burn damage the perfect?
I'm genuinely curious to learn more details about the deadsec faction. Like what they can hack and their range.
I literally made a laodout called dragons breath to use specifically with the cleaners, then realized how much less damage you do within the already limited range of the shotguns. Playing hardcore shooters like Insurgency and Hell Let Loose makes you forget how abysmal shotguns are in arcade type fps games
It's hilarious that the bonus and drawback makes it seem like it's best for short range, but in practice it works better for longer range weapons 😅
This is a crazy good video, thank you!
its such a great game, the SBMM is gone and its so refreshing, i think the cleaners are fine
I found that if you use the damage barrel on the m249 lmg with the cleaner incendiary, it’s a consistent 4 shot kill
im curious if it stacks with multiple cleaners. 5x players with 10 extra damage would be a lot of damage so i figure no but eh.
1. Both marksman
2. First sniper
3. M16A4
4. 686 Magnum/ D50
5. All smgs
Note: not worth on shot guns
I did not know about the 10% range reduction and have been using them with shotguns. Gonna remedy that
Did they remove bounty mode from the game? Can't see it in the modes menu
Thank you have a try it good condo you should do with the rest of the factions
Hey ace wanted to see if you could make an xdefiant playlist if you plan on making more videos for it
I may be wrong on this but i do believe you do more damage to enemy equipment, or at least it feels like im able to take down phantom barriers pretty fast
I think it’s surprising how well balanced this mechanic is.
I'm definitely curious to see the playerbase and how well the game does in 6 months to a years when the honey moon phase is over and if cheaters and Ubisoft will ruin it
Yeah, I'm really enjoying the game but I've already encountered a couple of cheaters and that gets me worried. Not nearly as much as COD but let's see how it goes.
Can you one burst with cleaners and damage barrel on the m16?
While marksman rifles are good for the passive, I don’t find that they pair well with the cleaners’ abilities. Firebomb and fire drone are both fairly close range abilities. The drone may actually work pretty well, but fire bomb is only really viable running a sub imo.
The svd also deal 98 to the head making it act like a osk against non pantoms
For the tac50, if you have the heavy barrel and cleaners it is will one shot legs and arms of 100hp enemies.
I think some attachments have hidden changes that are not mentioned on screen.
Did u mention the SVD instakill
You didn't bro
Such a great game and MW3 is a great game as well. All the hate from both sides is childish/stupid, people acting like you cant enjoy a game without bashing on another are honestly extremely pathetic. Constructive criticism is one thing but just spewing hate is a whole differnet thing as well as what most people are doing unfortunately smdh!!!!🤦💯
Also please cover both games from now on because your the best at what you do on here and I will continue to enjoy both games personally, which your videos help with sooooooo much lol!!!!👍💯🔥🔥🔥🔥 5:54
Exactly
Svd with the heavy barrel too might be the most op shit I’ve seen
So the cleaner has a mandatory -10 range for any weapon. Hard to want to use someone like that
I've been finding the marksman such a hard gun to use, I'll try using the cleaners see if that helps 👍
I’ve been hitting players 4-5 shots with marksman rifle with cleaners faction and they don’t die… but I do from 2 bullets lol. Hope they fix that hit reg soon.
yo ace you forgot the most important thing. The SVD can Oneshot headshot with the cleaner =D
Love how all the factions balance and can counter each other ... Hope they don't mess it up ...game has huge potential....
Some people are already complaining about Intel suit for Echelon, but I don't feel it's that bad, maybe small nerf to cool down or duration is in other since you can stack factions, but once more factions are added this will calm down I feel.
MGB is still in mw3 when you use scorestreaks so im guessing killstreaks is with the DNA bomb only
For the TAC-50, if you use the Heavy Barrel for the 5% dmg boost while running Cleaners it's a one shot kill anywhere on everyone but Phantoms.
This explains why I was doing good with the marksman
The DMR is my go to weapon. So cleaner might be a good pick for it but because its an teamplay kinda game i prefer to choose the AoE Heals over consistent 2shot kills because with it not only i can heal myself and survive 3-4 vs me situations AND I can give that power to my mates and that even after i died.
i'd love to love this game but the amount of hitmarkers with no dmg dealt that I've been getting makes it almost uplayable. A shotgun hit to the chest from 2m away? 0 dmg. Or 12. Or 4. However much it feels like giving me, i guess. 2 hitmarkers from an AK up close? 10 dmg. Take it or leave it. How?? That's below the minimum dmg that gun does. How is that even possible????
Yes I've been getting a lot of ghost hitmarkers lately. You basically have to focus on the health bar, you're getting hit markers when your sights aren't properly on the hotboxes for some reason
@@folx2733 yeah but there's also times i replay the recording of a game, slow it down, clearly see myself hitting the other guy multiple times - 12dmg. Aaalright then, game. Feels like high dmg low ammo guns are just not viable for me rn
Yes, this is happening to me ALL THE TIME.
I see it mostly with shotguns. I really think they are broken right now in a bad way and need to be fixed.
I started using marksmen rifles as a cleaner… it’s absolutely NASTY. I love this lol. I hope they don’t nerf it 😅
I think the Cleaners need more love in general, but the incendiary rounds are nicely balanced.
I am not sure if there is really a way to buff the cleaners in any kind of way that doesn't push them over the edge. Maybe they're just a bottom pick but still balanced overall.
Everyone run them in my lobby shit too damn cheesy lmaoo😂😂
tac50 can one shot in the arm with heavy barrel and cleaner on most characters. It kinda helps with people doing jump strafes
not super helpful but just a cool interaction
some other things with cleaners that people arent thinking of:
if youre in a gunfight vs libertad that burn damage may not matter
you may be outside of the max damage range and if you used anyone else, it would have costed one less bullet to win that fight anyway
they may have a healer NEARBY them and help them to heal up that burn dmg applied so your additional damage doesnt matter
Cleaners are easily the worst faction because their ULTRA ability is pretty good, but its not better than echelons but their passive and active abilitys are really bad.
its cool to use a molotov, but the startup time is really bad and you use it in a close range situation where any skilled smg or shotgun player will kill you faster than you can activate it
the molotov drone is really bad because its hard to use up close too and if its used far away MOST TIMES you can just dodge it.
You are actually wrong about the cleaners. They do 2 extra damage on all guns and sacrifice some range for the trade-off, then get a burn effect on top of it of 6 damage over 1.5 seconds.
Plus, the Tac 50 is the best weapon for the cleaners to use because it does 90 at base plus 2 plus 6 gives you almost a one-shot kill if you get a hit marker right. But if you put the damage barrel on it, that gives you 5%weapon damage that turns the tac 50 into a 94 damage per shot plus 2 plus 6, meaning you one shot every one that's not a phantom by just getting a hit marker
Over powered
Thanks. I thought it was a lot more powerful than it was
One thing to talk about with the MM rifles is that the SVD has a higher HS multiplier and will one tap phantoms with the burn. MK20 will not be able to one tap phantoms ever
I thinka the passive is balanced nicely, its their ultra that is kinda underpowered, besides I had a feeling the M16 would improve using the cleaners and this confirmed it