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Out of options, Ufthak leads his Waaagh! through the mysterious webway, to a place where kunnin’, sneakin’, and thinkin’ are the name of the game. A place with little truck for muscle and brawn - Commorragh, the Dark City.
Here, where kabals and haemonculus covens pump psychic viscera into the warp, Ufthak is thrown into gladiatorial combat and soon finds himself up against an archon who will stop at nothing to prove she deserves to rule the Dark City - even if it means bringing Commorragh down around her.
But the Drukhari are about to discover that while orks may be simple, very little about them is ever straightforward.
Written by Mike Brooks. Narrated by Harry Myers.
"The Big ..." is a naming convention for heist or crime stories. In this case, the object of theft happens to be a big dakka. Too clever for yous.
And they made a big dakka while doing it. It's a triple entendre, you swine.
"The Big Mac"
Objection! At no point in the book did anyone say "I'm putting together a team."
Dey is sum righ dum gitz
There was no heist, they fought a bunch of eldar and left. The ship they got was just an accidental escape route. Ufthak hated the ship for being too elfy and wants to get rid of it. The big gun on the ship broke after one shot. Overthinking warhammer is one thing, overthinking title of an ork book that isnt even fuckin spelled properly is another
Bricky: Horus is MID he got NO lore.
-Proceeds to read Horus Rising.
-gets into the rabbit hole and reads False gods and Galaxy in flames.
- Cries to guts theme song.
This book has the best line I’ve ever read in any book. “Even Humies made sense in their own way. They’re alot like orks just really really bad at it.”
So I feel like you guys missed the subtext of Ulfthak's opening chapter. He's being setup to fail by the Tech-Wagh Warboss. They are a tech-based warband but were sent to an Exodite World where there is no technology to speak of. Ulfthak is an up and coming boss and the Big Boss of the Waaagh is being a bit cunning and looking to chop off this latest upstart. Chasing the Drukhari into the Webway is a desperate gamble for Ulfthak because if he doesn't come back with some good Loot he is in deep trouble.
No we all pretty much got that, except that doesnt really matter because 1) Ufthak at the start of the book is still too dumb to understand the set-up and only have very slight suspicion 2) drukhari gave them a good fight so mekboss or no mekboss he would still follow them into the dark city 3) ufthak's boss comes up for 15 minutes at the start and for 15 minutes at the end and instantly dies like a bitch so i dont think we missied anything really
I think the reason the Drukhari and Orks play so well together is they both show that degredation of culture that is the corner stone of 40k lore, only instead of humans its the original War in Heaven species. Specifically it shows how they each the two group arguably most changed since their inception have handled said change. The Orks seems to have found peace (in so many words) with themselves through the desire for fighting, while the Drukhari are just fearful and hate themselves but won't admit it to anyone out of misplaced pride.
I find it funny how similar they are.
1. They like to go fast
2. Hurting things that squeal is fun
3. The strongest, most kunnin git is the biggest boss
4. Going to the doctor sucks big time.
The only way they differ is that one wants to die gloriously, while the other does everything to avoid fate.
To answer "do orks get smarter as they get bigger?" That's exactly what krorks are! Orks didn't devolve from fighting for tens of thousands of years, they devolved because the War in Heaven was the most intense fight ever and nothing's matched that. The Great Crusade was intense enough to produce a handful of krorks, starting the War of the Beast.
It's been recorded that groups of orks when they reach certain numbers will over all grow faster, and produce greater numbers off oddboys who in turn are also more competent in their field of expertise.
@Leofilmperson So the Orks get the "advancement via war" thing that seems to be common in human history?
@@chrisdufresne9359 Yes, but they don't really innovate anything new. All of their science and most of their kunning is encoded deep into their genetics. The more Waaagh! energy they generate, the more can be unlocked. On the flip side, they also get regression via peace.
Yup. Orks are literally just baby krorks that don't have a good enuff scrap ta maek em bigga and stronga!!!!
Those weren’t Krorks
I liked the grot part, feels like they are giving the grots a chance to shine like the goblins do occasionally in fantasy
their moment of shine was like peter griffin and his band going on the stage and saying one two three oh my god we dont know any songs
@@Adeptusridiculous I think the point is that Snaggy is becoming Ufthak's Makari. He recognizes that he is at least a little too dangerous to leave unwatched and too useful to be hooked up to a killa kan.
@@CannibalShinobi meh, I’d say kinda but more like his grotsnick, useful, but definitely not trustworthy or liked.
I do too! They failed at the end because that’s the point, they’re grots. Like in warboss, even when they do well they’re just gonna get wiped out by literally anything else. I laughed hysterically when Snaggy got to the portal first and the actual warboss were just like “lol shut up grot.”
This book left me wanting for a full-length Drukhari romcom.
Slaneesh approves
so cute
Ditto, I was so happy they survived.
Mike books IS writing the Lelith Hesperax novel sooo...
Drukhari Tsundere: A Commorragh Love Song.
Dunno what you mean about the romance coming out of nowhere. They’d been drip feeding us romance tropes from the start but immediately burying it under Drukhari paranoia.
The space marine was 100% a crimson fist. Which makes even more sense why he wouldn't reason with him as Crimson Fists HATE orks.
The Crimson Fist scene was so fuckin hype, man.
You say Blood Meridian isn't a 40K book but you can't convince me that the Judge isn't a Night Lord temporally displaced by Warp shenanigans.
Goated Opinion
He is my voice for Khorne
Every single thing he says is something you could attribute to him, and makes me appreciate the red lord even more, a real devil of a god than evil kratos
It also explains his hatredof Tzeench, "that whih exists without my knowledge exists without my consent" and the Lordof Change goes and changes things again
@@ethanrumley746I honestly think the Judge would make a really interesting Khorne demon, typically Khorne Demons suffer from being a one-note berserker, but a more intelligent and philosophical Khorne Demon could be awesome.
@@InquisitorThomas i feel like the judge does too many sexual assaults to be a khorne demon
@@heliveruscalion9124just chaos undivided or something idk
i'm surprised you didn't see the romance coming, that shit was the telegraphed thing in the whole, knew it would happen from their first scene together
I know? Ever since the first time they fight together I was thinking “oh they fucking” every damn time they spoke together. And the guy was eyeing her ass in the coliseum bit before she went down to talk with ufthac.
Horus Rising next lettss goooo- "I was there, the day the Horus killed the Emperor"
Personal note on non Ork parts. I’m yet to read this book. But after reading Warboss, I was genuinely impressed on how author managed to show A LOT of respect and depth to Aeldari in short two chapters. And after hearing your discussion, I’m even more looking forward to other Brooks books specifically for other WH factions.
Genuinely surprised you didn’t get the dark eldar romance. It was so clearly telegraphed. Right from the first time the two arkons fight together and save each other’s lives. And the male one (can’t remember his name) kept staring at dianera.
You did Lion: Son of the Forest, then said you we're either gonna continue Eisenhorn, Horus Rising or one of the two Fulgrim books.
Horus Rising and Malleus (2nd Eisenhorn book) we're 2 of the most hype book choices you could have made besides continuing the Cain series, and out of nowhere you did 2 Ork books instead.
I think you guys might wanna make a list of all the books you've done and are planning to do, just so you can keep track.
I’m almost positive that “Da Big Dakka” is a reference to New York’s nickname The Big Apple, which in turn is referring to the city planet of Commaragh.
I’m 90% sure da Beaky was a Crimson Fist. It would explain why he was less than inclined to hear out our boy, not that humies need a why, as that chapter were almost annihilated by an Ork WAAGH and hold a special grudge against the green skins.
He was. I don’t remember exactly why cuz it’s been a while, but I remember when the description came I was immediately like “oh that’s a crimson fist.”
@@bofurlong8944 it wasn’t really identified in the book beyond his armor colors. I googled the described color pattern as I don’t have all the chapters memorized to my shame
Can’t wait for Bricky to get life long trauma from Blood Meridian lmao
Little tooth’s plot line is just Oedipus’ with a little more stabbing.
50:58 I'd love to be a part of the conversation for Horus Rising. It's my favorite Heresy book and just epitomizes the genuine peak that everything falls from once the Heresy begins in full swing. Gods sometimes I wish I had the following and reach for this request to be considered.
The only real problem is that this book isn't "Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waaagh!" which is 10/10 IMO. Not only with the greenskins, but the Inquisition and also how incredibly inhuman Space Marines are.
Also, that book literally made me cry a bit. Such excellence.
The best part of the RUclips version is how it gives more voice to Shy. "I think it would be amusing to watch them all die" was hilarious! 🤣
If there's another book after this one, I'm betting Ufthak and his Boys are going to be summoned by Ghazghkull. And be order to help track down Angron, so he can avenge Commissar Yarrick.
Listening to "The Maniac Horde" while reading the ork sections of the book feels like it's essential.
The Grotstuff is important. Snaggy is the hand of mork and gork that helps the waaagh find Ufftag again.
They could have named it Da Grate Eskape.
Poifect
I was expecting snaggy and the grotts to break off into their own faction in Cammoragh and become like a Cammoragh gang
Dhaemira and the other Archon love story was so cute for how short it was!
Dark eldar murder sex... Just another Tuesday. The attraction when fighting, not that big a deal and when you think about how the eldar feel something It over whelms them.
I sense Shy in these comments, arguing with people and bullying all the Little Guys in the comments
I fricken LOVE the grots, Snaggy is a fantastic character, so far I have loved both iterations of Snaggy rising to "power" only to instantly lose it and have to start over.
The running gag will be a cool supprise once he finally keeps hold of the power, though I hope it doesnt happen for like 4 more books.
Snaggy just speaks to me as a fellow sneaky coward who thinks he's smarter than he is. "Cut their throats! Nick their boots!" "Three syllables, works every time."
@@jwebster126Love his pettiness too with the whole Daddy loves me more than you crap he pulls on Nizquik. "I'm doing something secret for da boss, didn't 'E tell ya?"
@@MrSkorm Sorry I would have replied earlier but I was on a secret mission for bricky.
I laughed my ass off when he found out the grots continued the original plan to get rid of the ammo/fuel before coming to the coliseum
"Thing is, after ya told us ta do it...ya neva told us ta not do it" XD
When Bricky stopped DK with Shy's "what I hate" (Fucking Grots!) I thought he's gonna go for gachimuchi memes.
And I am actually disappointed he didn't go full FUCKING GROOOOTS, *GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE!*
Horus rising 👀👀👀, Toby longworth is the best VA in my opinion for these 40k books. The first three books are heart breaking as you see the fall of these amazing characters. Loken,Tarik and Tarvitz are unbelievably well written.
So, Mike Brooks already has a grot revolution short story "Da Gobbo's Revenge" (Which has sequels "Da Gobbo's Demise" and "Da Gobbo Rides Again" by other authors).
Prophets of the WAAAGH stories is still my favorite Ork book. Even if they are way too short.
22:48 Oy! Prophets of the waaagh got that.
Shy need to bring back little Bricky goblin every time podcast talk about Greenskins.
Blood Meridian is astounding and disturbingly true
Im with Bricky on this one. I actually like Da Big Dakka over Brutal Kunnin but only because the Ad Mech stuff weighed it down.
If you want more dark eldar books the path of the dark eldar trilogy is a very good place to go, loads of interesting very different characters, that give you all kinds of view of who the drukhari are, is a fun read.
Snaggi is great in his short story “packin heat”, which is in between warboss and da big dakka. But he didn’t need so much screen time in this
It kind of sounds like the Big Daka should have been why they even got into Commorragh in the first place, chasing after it and then escaping cause they finally got it
OK, if you talk about Horus Rising, please bring up the heresy conversation. It's such a small thing, but it's so interesting to me in the first book of a series called the Horus Heresy.
Another book that I really loved was Catachan Devil, lot's or Ork Kommando's vs Catachan, awesome read for those that like blood axes
Honestly, I wish that they had replaced most of the grot parts with bits Da Boffin doing weird ork mech stuff. I really like Mike Brooks and his grot stories, but I think they really missed an opportunity to have the ork mech shine
Surprised you guys didn't notice the romance earlier. It started off pretty soon in the book.
Just discovered your book reviews guys, and they're great! Realy great discussion and fun hosts!
However...there are some big misses on your reviews so far! Here is a list of great books for you to put on the 'to read' list ...
Titanic / Double Eagle - Dan Abnett. Fantastic Stand Alone DA books.
The Emperor’s Gift - Underappreciated ADB book, but one of his best.
Lord of the Night - Simon Spurrier. Nightlords before ADB.
Fire Caste - Peter Fehervari, closest BL has to a cult author, and a mature book.
Daemon World - Ben Counter, weird and wonderful.
The Masque of Vyle - Andy Chambers. Great contained short story from one of the architects of modern 40k.
Carrion Throne - Chris Wraight detective book on Holy Terra.
Riders of the Dead - Dan Abnett. Great stand alone Abnett set in Warhammer Fantasy
Drachenfels - One of the earliest GW books ever written, and still a classic.
Looking forward to what is coming next!
I loved it all the Drukari stuff was so good and i even liked the grott stuff didnt love it but liked it and i already done Horus Rising so a free 3 months for me
I don't wanna be that guy but that dark aldar lady is dead. Just as ufthak left a whole bunch of demons showed up up and the book made it clear that if demons show up then everyone there will die . Either by demon hands or other dark aldar hands . She is screwed
35:30 Passion is passion. If you hate someone that implies you spend time thinking about them, through this both love and lust can sprout..... There is an entire movie entitled "A Thin Line Between Love and Hate:" At a base level hatred implies you value their input, even if it is there to sideline or end you, the respect remains.
That is perhaps the stupidest argument ever.
As a Drukhari book it’s still not at the level of Path of the Drukhari…as a book about how weird and dramatic Eldar can be through the eyes of another faction it’s top class.
If they release another Drukhari book after the Lelith one we really need a book on Valossian Sythrac (those who know, know) dudes due a model too tbf
If I had a nickel for every trans character in a warhammer book, I would have 3 nickels.
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird what so these are the only 3 warhammer books I finished
Just to throw my bias out there, I was a Lelith simp before I even knew her name...... Remember this is the woman who first literally told Yvraine where she could stick it and then showed her, who later went. "If you will save my species, my blade is yours." For an evil B@#$F, that's quite noble. I was going to buy this book the moment you showed me that it exists.
Didn't Lelith bugger off with the Ynnari? Helsreach is pretty good.
I wonder if there are any Harlequin centric books. I am curious as to how they operate.
Ork main here: I loved the book! The orks were fun, the Gretchen were hilarious, and the drukhari were surprisingly compelling. Biggest breaker of disbelief for me here was Ufthak’s intelligence, which I get is due to him evolving into a warboss but he seems almost as smart as Ghaz in this, the prophet himself.
For me it goes:
1: big dakka
2: warboss
3: brutal Kunnin
But I love them all!
Emphasizing the fact that nobody is born evil in a setting where EVERYBODY is evil is so fucking good
Really struggle with Mike Brooks writing.
Judge Holden from Blood Meridian is darker than 40k..... almost
No fvcking way. Just started horus rising last week. Id call it a sign
Oh very excited to see what's up with horus rising.
How long has DK had cat paws for legs?
And he has a tail!
If you like Dark Eldar stuff I'd recommend the charcaradon's book Silent Hunters by Edoardo Albert. There is also a great ork vs catachan book called Catachan Devil by Justin Woolley
What do you mean the love story came out of nowhere!? There were two big hints before the big fight, the guy dark Eldar kept staring at her it was very obvious it was because he liked her the only reason she thought it was malicious intent was because to the dark Eldar something like love would be foreign to them and no the love they had was genuine they just either didn’t want to admit to themselves they were in love or something like love is so foreign to them they legitimately couldn’t tell when she said she was only going to be in a relationship with him because of convenience that was just her rationalizing it to herself because she didn’t want to admit she was in love
Reminds me of an OC origin story for a Harlequin Death Jester I put together.
Two Drukhari fall in love, but convince themselves it's one sided because 'how could another Drukhari share my weakness' and the Death Jester only learned his significant other loved him back when she took a bullet from him. And that's the grim irony that leads him to the Laughing God so he can destroy Slaanesh and free her soul.
DK Orks do indeed enjoy traveling through the warp because they can occasionally get a fight on the trip.
SKAVEN WHEN PLS I NEED MY LITTLE RAT BOYS
yes yes, I second-repeat this!
Skaven best-greatest yes-yes!
Into mind, sneak-sneak!
They only cover 40k... what?
@@jakejutras5420 I just…
1:don’t think that that’s true lol
2:they have that as their sun goal on pattern which I believe we hit
I really want Vect to be a Lord Venturi clone. I mean, it may not work, but it'd be hilarious if pulled off correctly.
Check out the Path of the Dark Eldar trilogy. It has an Incubus as a main character.
>chortles< Big Dakka Enajee
If I may make a suggestion for future book clubs, if you'd like a faction that doesn't underestimate the orks, Outgunned by Denny Flowers is a pretty good Astra Aeronautica book about a propagandist following a fighter pilot in an air war against an ork warband, I'd revommend it
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHH!!!!!!!
I believe that the older the ork get the smarter they get, a lot of orks just get smarter when they grow because the bigger you get the likelihood you survive, we've seen orks that aren't really big as other war bosses but more intelligent than them example are badruck, zodgrod and even tuska these orks aren't really that big but they're considerably smarter than other big orks
Yes yes yes horus rising, i can't wait
Plz do the trilogy
Please don’t shorten Horus heresy to Horusey it sounds too close to Horussy
not terminally british
GLORIOUSLY birtish and as undying as the english empire
I’d say at some point, you should check out “Lukas the Trickster” it’s an amusing look into the space wolves from their resident master of shitfuckery. It isn’t a story of his wildest exploits (like dropping a tax delegation into a grox pen while they were in mating season) but it’s a pivotal story for a space wolf named character I think you guys would have a LOT of fun learning about.
Vulkan Lives!
I got a theory, and this seems like a good place to vet it out. I think Vulkan will be the next primarch to return. He will be the warboss of an ork warban. After falling into the Warg energy with the beast, his mind melded with it and was reborn as a half ork, half man primarch. He is struggling with the ork mind saying "smash the punny git" and primarch mind saying "protect those who cannot protect themselves, for together we are strong" .
Imagine orks in power armor made by Vulkan.
Bro, I could write a better orc book with a more fitting name. If you're gonna name something "Da Big Dakka", they should have just had the focus be around a group of Orks looking for the biggest dakka ever and it's all an escalation until they find some planet sized Necron laser and shoot a sun or something.
I gotta HEAVILY disagree with the romance plot "coming out of nowhere" in the arena.
That was the payoff my dudes. The romance was hinted at throughout the book. They had a freaking anime moment where they accidentally held each others' hands and got all flustered about it for goodness' sakes.
Honest to god you guys need to figure out your reading schedules or take better notes. It’s taking so long for you to finish the books key details are being forgot.
- Ufthak is pretty much screwed in the beginning cause he got set up to fail by the mechlord
- snaggy is key to the whole access of the web way. The Grot boss narative gives him more character. Also if you hate him failing then you must have hated Pinky and the brain
-exactly how are you going to do a whole book on Ufthak taking over the Waagh? If it was done any other way Shy would be crying about Orks becoming hummies or knife ears.
I’m not saying Mike brooks is Hemingway, but it feels like every complaint you guys have about his books should be followed by a drax meme going over his head.
(Just finished DBD) I think Snaggi's entire point was to tell da Boffin about the link between Ufthak and his hammer so that they could more easily find him, even if that plan wasn't entirely successful.
i feel you may have had this recommendation already, listen to The Legend of Kronan Da Kunnin by Baldermort's Guide to Warhammer. Way better than anything out of the Black Library.
Try Flesh and Steel by Guy Haley. Its a buddy cop murder mystery movie. You will learn of the life of nobles plus the enforcers as one of the duo is a rich nobleman's son who joins the enforcers. If the Adeptus Arbites are the FBI, the enforcers are local law enforcement. You will learn about some of the politics of adeptus mechanicus on non forge worlds as the other person of the duo is a hot tech priestess law enforcer. Both join forces on a case that spans both the local authorities and the adeptus mechanicus.
Please please please do one of these for Mike’s next book on Leilth and the Ynnari! It’s my dream book and somthing I’ve been waiting on for year!!!!
Damn you guys might want to reread stuff before doing an episode. This pretty painful listening. Also whoever is writing the RUclips comments sounds real salty they didn’t get a lot of the book.
This book supports what I always assumed, that the Krorks didn't devolve into orks because of infighting, but because the war in heaven was the biggest fight in history z and when it ended there just wasn't enough violence on the galaxy to sustain their forms
Recommendation for next book-
Deathwatch by Steve Parker.
There are a few things that was unnecessary in the book, and other things that felt semi forced in cuss the Writer is Mike Brooks. He has the tendency to include current day speak in his books.
(Dude literally made a insert Sargon of Akkad in one of the books 😅)
Is much as I wanna keep up with book club stuff, I just can't so hearing these kinda reviews is nice lol.
However I will say the reason I can't keep up is cause they got me into the Ciaphas Cain series and I haven't stopped since I started that lol
As someone who skipped this month but doesnt wanna get everything spoiled just yet its really hard to find next months book in here :(
Would be cool if that could somehow be in a comment or description q.q
Had this issue in the past as well plssss
As someone who skipped this month but doesnt wanna get everything spoiled just yet its really hard to find next months book in here :(
Would be cool if that could somehow be in a comment or description q.q
Had this issue in the past as well plssss
For what it’s worth. The gold and white sky , no it’s black and blue. Was so funny to me I had to pause listening because I was laughing too hard. I had to go back to hear the rest
Maybe “Da Big Dakka” was actually thought. Like the thing that lets Ulfthak really win is the fact that he gets smarter. So that’s as good of an explanation as any for the name I feel.
Valerya (the homeland of the Targerians) and Commoragh have a lot of similarities when you think about it
Would love to see a return to the gaunts ghosts series at some point. Especially because the next one is ghostmaker, which goes into the history of the ghosts and explores many of the individual stories and characters of the major players
If I were to recommend a future book, Silent Hunters was a fun read. Big dakka reminded me of that one and thought it’d make for a good book club read.
Heh, DK wanting a special edition black library book. First time kid?
I found hilarious that once he got smarter the diction and the writing actually got better.
Oh DK... it wasnt 12 inches of Venom.
It was 19 X3.