Mouthpiece Spotlight: Yamaha 16E for Cornet (UNDER $50!)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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The Yamaha 16E is an outstanding mouthpiece for solo and brass band cornet work. It is comparable in terms of cup size to the Denis Wick 2B, and balances my cornet exceptionally well. Unbeatable intonation, tone quality, and flexibility for the price.
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What do you think of this longform review format? More? Less? Let me know!
I like in-depth reviews
Will let you know when I've had a proper chance to watch it all 😂
hahaha!!! I eagerly awaited your every word, so I was super fine with the length! I have a 1935 Conn 80a which always had a non-conforming long shank instead of the vintage short shank. I've recently heard that a Yamaga short-shank mp is a good choice--I wonder if you think the 16E might work out for me? BTW, you're an awesome player!!!
@@MrGreencheetah For some reason YT doesn't care to notify me about replies on my videos, but I'm so glad you enjoyed! On American-made cornets with long shanks you might want to be wary of very short-shank British-style mouthpieces. It's a shame, because I think the 16E is a great size, but then again you could see if Yamaha offers a long-shank version of the same rim/cup, considering mine is technically the 16ES, S denoting short shank. Sorry for the late response!
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Thanks very much for your response! The earlier Conn cornets, including my '35 Conn 80a, were designed for a "short shank" mouthpiece, but I think it's hard to know if the 16E would be suitable without trying it. Thanks for your videos and responses!!!
Excellent review Sam!!
Thanks Cliff!
I deigned this cornet mouthpiece for /with Yamaha
@@phillipmccann1755 Well this is quite the honor! Good to hear from you. Since publishing this video I’ve come to understand the rim contour on this mouthpiece is a unique one due to your influences. It was a very comfortable mouthpiece to play. Thank you for your work with Yamaha and for your comment here.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass was happy to hear your unbiased opinions. My approach to rim is comfort but on the slightly thinner side to allow greater flexibility, hopefully a balanced compromise. Also the U / bell like shape cup giving smoother entrance to the throat and a slightly smaller bore which I feel allows greater focus and control more centred sounds . Overall a quality of tone that “sings” and sparkles throughout all dynamics combined with superb articulation results
My best wishes and once more thank you
I’ve been thinking about trying this mouthpiece out since it is not that expensive compared to other makers. Thanks a lot Sam for this review
Thanks for the comment, Daniel! Hope you end up liking this mouthpiece--I know I do!
Thank you for this review. As a result I tried the mouthpiece and am very happy with it and will keep it. I'd have otherwise never considered a Yamaha mouthpiece, being fixated upon the usual suspects (Wick, Bach, Schilke et. al.).
I’m so glad to have helped! Yamaha produces very high-quality mouthpieces for the low price tag! I hadn’t expected it myself to be honest, but I took a risk and was very pleased with the outcome.
My Wessex cornet came with a generic mouth piece like that and I sent it to Trent Hamilton in New Zealand to look at.
Blokes a muppet... Entertaining, sure, but not particularly knowledgeable.
11 minutes seems a bit long probably do 7 minutes to keep it short and sweet good video regardless, I like that intro too
Thanks Jon! 7-8 minutes is probably the sweet spot so I’ll aim for that. It’s difficult to know how much useable footage you’ve got while you’re recording.
I like it. I’m fine either way though. Also I will say that even though Schilke and Yamaha have similar numbering systems for mouthpieces, they don’t like up completely. Example: Yamaha 55 = Schilke 53 (I use trombone mouthpieces because that’s what I know the best).
You’re correct that there are slight discrepancies between Yamaha and Schilke’s sizing systems. I didn’t know about the 55/53 dilemma specifically. In the case of the Schilke 15-17 range on trumpet it’s all around a Yamaha 16
Originally, when Yamaha first got into brass, they were basically the same as Schilke's pieces - there was a definite link between the two companies (for example, I have an early Yamaha 7B4 which is nothing like the current 7B4... But exactly like a Schilke 7B4).
At some point, Yamaha redesigned the entire range using the same numbering convention... But their own take on it.
They keep the rims more consistent in each size and models generally make a bit more sense (in terms of predicting what you might get) - this is because Schilke's lineup is full of artist models shoehorned to fit a numbering system that sounds logical (exactly the same reason you get the same thing with Bach's not fitting it's own numbering system, but without the changes over time that Bach has had to each model).
The Yamaha's are great pieces fullstop.
I played on a 16E back when I played mostly Bb cornet - great piece (my fair lady still uses one!).
Another good one for cheap cornet pieces is the Lewington McCann model - silly cheap, but I know loads of serious players using them.
(I'm talking trumpet/cornet pieces here btw).
@@EnglishTMTB Hey, consistency over conformity. If Yamaha is consistent with their sizing, that's what matters. They advertise the 16E as basically a 1-1/2 type diameter on WWBW.
I love my 16E but I'll have to give Lewington McCann a look! I've heard some good things about them.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass they're both very consistent in what they make... It's just that what Yamaha makes conforms to their charts a bit more obviously, it's easier to predict what you're getting by stepping "up a size" for example.
Schilke has some quirks to its lineup...
So for example, both the plain "14" and the "16C4" are copies of the rim/cup of older Bach 1-1/2C pieces, whilst the 15B is a Mt Vernon 3C copy.
So you could be playing a 14 and think it'd be nice to go a bit bigger and try a 16C4, and find it's not really much bigger. (I've played both in the past when I was in 1.5C territory - liked them both a lot!)
Yamaha you'll find a 14C4 noticeably smaller than a 16C4 - as I say, the models just fit the numbering a bit better.
11 minutes seems too short. I want videos in sonataform, with a third act ballet.
You’ll reconsider after you see the way I dance.
That’s what she said
Denis wick has its own charm, not for everyone.
I agree. In my case I love Denis Wick mouthpieces, and my DW2 is actually being used on my flugel with great results (I put tape around the shank) but for my John Packer cornet it just wasn’t the best match.
Ha!
Funny enough, a chap I know a little uses a Wick flugel mouthpiece for third cornet (with the shank turned down a little) 😂😂
Have you done a test on a Curry 3bbc cornet mouthpiece buddy?!🤔
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Dig the review Sam!
Thanks so much!
I play a 16c4 in concert settings...hmm I may need a 16e for my cornet. Good video.
The 16E is a great cornet size! However, while the inner diameter (the actual relative “size” of the mouthpiece) will feel like your standard 16C4, the 16E has a special narrow rim that will take some getting used to. Ultimately, I think the narrow rim ends up being beneficial if you spend enough time with it. Can’t hurt to try!
Hello Samuel, excellent video. What do you think about the bite of the 2 mouthpieces? I have the denis wick 4B, but I think the bite not so good for me, my lips enter the cup easily.
Thanks for your comment! The Yamaha has a sharper bite than the Wick. Keep in mind, however, that the Yamaha’s overall rim shape has a slight inward contour. I personally have started playing a Wick 2B more often. If you are a 4B player, I would suggest the Yamaha 14E, as the inner diameter of the 16E combined with the deeper cup will make it very taxing to play by comparison to your 4B.
What instrument are you playing in this video?
Would this work on my trumpet?
excuse me for asking you that, but hey who does not try anything. Here I come from a shilke 14A4A mouthpiece and then a month ago I tried a bach 3c and bought it. The bass is great but I would like a little more treble, a little, I'm not asking for a 14A4A.
Besides, is bach good. I know you are an expert.
Do you agree to help me? Excuse I play tromp. Again your work is amazing !
If you are looking for something between a Schilke 14A4A and a Bach 3C in terms of sound quality, I recommend one of the following: Bach 3D, Schilke 14B, Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz, or Bob Reeves 43M. All of these have a slightly deeper cup than the 14A4A but a brighter sound than the 3C.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I thank you for your answer which allowed me to clarify my last question. I don't want any more of those mouthpieces like 13A4A, which even distorts my playing in a tone, I've been playing recently. No, I am looking for a mouthpiece that is a little more comfortable compared to the Bach 3c, with a larger cup.
Thank you for your advice.
I’ve got a trumpet adapter to save money .I’d like to try it on my coronet first. Is the rim more comfortable?
I really like the thinner Yamaha rim and how it contours on my chops, but it definitely is an adjustment from any trumpet rim.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I have a Shew for my flugalhorn. I like it !
Funny I just ordered one of these
I believe you asked me about this particular one a little while ago. Hope you like it!
@@SamuelPlaysBrass yes I did. Thanks
A few little observations...
Careful where throat bore size is concerned - how wide/narrow that cylindrical section is only tells you part of the story, it's length is equally important (longer will feel more resistant).
All mouthpieces are a combination of factors - how a piece plays comes down to how the designer has balanced them and why.
In context... Be very careful talking about throat bores and intonation - throat length, the backbore profile and length, overall mouthpiece length and the insertion depth ("gap" in trumpet terms, but a similar effect happens with cornets) ALL have an effect. So for example, drilling a throat larger on an existing piece will make it longer as well as larger, and also shorten the backbore and alter it's profile - so you see, it's very difficult to talk about an "all else equal" kind of scenario without talking nonsense - we have to talk about the whole!
The geek in me is only too happy to go into what's going on with each piece and why they feel how they do - but ultimately, most players are only going to be interested in the feel, not the why.
So when dealing with most discussions (or rather, most audiences), it tends to be more useful to talk about how the piece feels and plays rather than trying to point fingers at one or two specific factors (because there's always more than that going on!).
In these reviews I obviously don't know everything about the mouthpiece, so I'm mostly addressing the things that stand out most to me, which almost never include the backbore. To be fair I definitely see how talking about the throat diameter is a slippery slope in terms of the other factors inside the mouthpiece shank, but I wouldn't have had anything particularly productive to say about the backbore. You're right about discussing feel more! I'll try to do that in future reviews.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass sorry, I do ramble a bit sometimes 😂
@@EnglishTMTB I always appreciate your rambles :D
@@SamuelPlaysBrass haha, I'll feel slightly less bad about them then! 😂😂
(You just showed up on my suggested friends list on FB btw lol, sent you a PM)
Because of its intonation problems, would you consider now your "old" mouthpiece as unusable ?
Certainly not. The Wick 2 is still a very solid choice as a cornet mouthpiece. I simply feel that the Yamaha has a slight edge over it because of its ease of slotting and playability. Truth be told, I was very happy with the Wick for the two and a half years I got regular use out of it.
In brass band circles, a Wick 2 is very much a "back row" piece unless you're pretty insane - it makes a huge noise in the lower registers, but it's seen as unwieldy for upper cornet parts (I know plenty of cornet players using them on 2nd/3rd cornet in championship section and none using it on solo cornet at that level).
The 16E plays better with a Yamaha cornet than a Wick does - the designs are a little different.
(And when I say Yamaha, you may as well include any Chinese stencil cornets, regardless of whose name is on the bell, because that's what they tend to copy from).
@@EnglishTMTB Definitely a back row piece endurance and slotting wise, as I failed to realize for a long time. Although my John Packer cornet was built in the UK, not a stencil from China AFAIK.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass hmm... I'm fairly sure almost all (if not actually all) the Packer cornets are Chinese manufactured in China - the company is based in the UK and I've been to their shop several times, but you can't make decent instruments for that price in the UK... It's telling that they tout "British design" but never "British manufactured" or "made in UK" or anything like that.
FWIW I don't know of anyone making cheap instruments here - there are some real top notch custom makers (especially Eclipse and Taylor), but that's about it.
The 16E was copied from a vintage mouthpiece that belongs to Phillip McCann. He was a consultant to Yamaha.
Thanks for the comment Gordon! I appreciate the history lesson. Reminds me that I ought to try out some of those Lewington/McCann pieces sometime.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass The Lewington is a copy of the same mouthpiece. Lewington were the UK importers for Yamaha. Yamaha didn't make a proper cornet mouthpiece so they copied Phillips. Then when Yamaha were doing one Phillip was working for them so they did the same. The 16E has a rounder rim than the Lewington. The 16E was supplied with thenYamaha Maestro 6335HS cornets.
Looks Comfortable
For people such as myself who seek out narrow rims, it’s extremely comfortable! Yamaha designed this mouthpiece with an extra thin rim that isn’t on any of their other cornet pieces and I think it complements the large inner diameter well.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Thanks I’ll find one for trumpet
I’ll try it on my trumpet
How about for trumpet?
The 16E is a nice trumpet size, similar to my Bach 1-1/2A, but it would not have as narrow a rim or as deep/V-shaped a cup.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass thank you
Yamaha costs less