I went from an iPad Air 2 to the iPad Pro 11" 2021 last year. It was such a needed upgrade for performance but mainly because I've been using it for school and I love using it as my notebook and textbook. I got the Pro over another Air because the price difference after upgrading was so small and I felt 120 Hz would bring a way better-writing experience. And when turning 120 Hz off, I can definitely tell the difference when writing, it is just not as natural. Also, I wasn't able to go all into using an iPad as my only computer because there were some apps and even websites that only worked on a computer/Chrome for my schooling (Engineering).
@@salsaproductions6286 I use a MacBook, I got it before I went to university as I got into iOS programming. I haven’t ran into many issues with programs not working so far. And luckily my university also has VMs through VMware Horizon we can log into and access the programs that aren’t available on macOS but it’s only been a few so far.
Horst is one of the best writers at ltt. We see all the videos and we enjoy all of them, but the amount of work that Horst has with this channel, with the camera angles, the "documentary" alike video and all of the places that he films in just one video it's just amazing. Good job LTT team!
So I've been a pc guy most of my life, and as such, I'm a big fan of the LMG channels. I recently got converted to Mac for video editing and general productivity and this is the first MA video I've clicked on. And I have to say, the delivery in this video is absolutely insane. So glad I clicked. Excellent work👌🏼
Being real for a moment, this channel truly stands out among the LTT channels. Jonathan's cinematography truly shines in these videos to where they each feel special, and showing both the good and bad when it comes to Apple's products.
Give credit to Andy and Linus, the later being director and producer and Andy being art director. still props to Jonathan for great writing and impecable hosting.
I was just thinking how this channel is so different from the other channels. The feel, the look, the tone honestly the only thing that is similar is the throw to the sponsor.
I totally agree, it's definitely the LTT channel with the most unique and instantly distinctive aesthetic. It also feels more genuine and progresses "naturally" rather than being a very obviously scripted video. Each video has its own plot and story progression elements, which is awesome if you consider that these are just supposed to be hardware reviews I don't even use a single Apple product, and I watch every single MAC address video the day it comes out. They're just that well produced
I love the different point of view(s) that this video presented, it gave what Jonathan is talking about some real texture. As I don't like tablets in general, I wouldn't bother with any of these....but it also made me actually think about wanting to try one which seriously surprised me. Great job, Jonathan, I'm really loving this channel!
This channel has really come into its own. When I first saw it, I must admit I was skeptical that anyone in the LMG Company could cover Apple products fairly and while being entertaining. This video I think it’s the best of the best, feeling like a friendly conversation about the state of the iPad, with top-notch, clear information, and amazing cinematography. I’m very impressed by the teams work and I’m looking forward to more. I also feel that MAC address participates the least in the Tech arm race, which has plagued the rest of the tech world
@@poundlandspeedwagonrequiem typical applesheep. They bush Apple on purpose like fake graphs. And they aren't Intel shill. They're more sponsored by AMD than Intel. Illiterate trollkid
@@crazybeatrice4555 in which way is there apple bashing in the other LMG Channels? It is just a different focus there. Apple products won’t get recommended as long as Apple behaves like they do in areas like right to repair, open communication and how they treat their buyers. And that is completely fair. This critique is fair and it is important. Probably not so important for you but extremely important for me. I will never buy a Mac because of the problems I see at the moment. The only apple product I use is an IPad and it is great. But I hope never to have to deal with apple a single bit more than necessary.
My experience on the 2018 iPad Pro is very different than shown in this video… totally smooth all the time and I’ve never noticed things going out of memory (do agree with the tier it was put in tho)
Yeah same I still got my 2018 one and I’ve never experienced any of these issues. It really depends on exactly what you use it for and how much you bloat the device. Do even if the 2018 is still pretty good for the age; I feel this review is a little more dramatic than in most peoples experiences
As a non apple user with no interest in getting an iPad, I still found this video very interesting and well produced. I really enjoyed the pacing and video style
The 2018 ipad pro is clearly one of the best ipads ever made! Personally, since i have never even used all of the 4GBs of ram on my iphone Xs, this amount of ram isn’t bothering me. So i would definitely choose 2018 Pro rather than the M1 air. And i find it incredible that a 4 year old device can still be that competitive
talking about that, I have an iPad 6th gen! and for the tasks that I do (browsing web, and browsing a bit more web, and a little bit more web and notion) I don't think I will need an upgrade even in 3 more years! the only thing that bothers me is the sound quality but having 3.5mm jack is bliss to use KZs.. battery is good but charging suck although i only charge at night...
@@manjindersinghsaini911 my brother also has this ipad and i see him playing on it all day with his friends online games like minecraft, pubg and more and all of them run really good. Also i wouldnt say the sound is not good
@@andreas_karam its good but compared to even cheap android tablets like tab A7 (4 speakers), it definitely lacks surround sound support and clarity at Max loundness that they are giving, however, latest iPads and even android tabs have got so much bass and fuller sound compared to this one. Its definitely usable but not enjoyable in music or any RUclips video in general. Probably because it's single speaker vs 4 on others.
@@manjindersinghsaini911 yeah i agree, but my other brother’s ipad 8th gen has such good speakers and the are also only 2! No cap they are incredibly good for being only a pair.
@@oo0024 depending on the usage, you couldn't be more wrong... Even the heaviest of games on iOS today only utilise about 1.3Gig at Max graphics.. with how nicely they optimise apps, I think for casual users, iPad 2018 can easily last even 2 years beyond after even apple ends software update support for it.. websites in general are not becoming heavier, 95% of the websites and online applications are just as demanding as they were in say, 2015.. and it's probably gonna stay this for net 4-5 years.. besides most apps on average utilise RAM on the basis of how much is available, so even 2GB ram iPad is gonna have no problem anytime soon (3 years).. for testing, you can pick up any 1GB ram iPad or iPhone 6, anything that worked on it at time of launch works pretty much the same.. only newer games require better specs, you will be just fine multitasking upto 4 apps like twitch RUclips or Twitter.. and even more with lighter apps. CPUs are getting more power with time, but resources demanding apps are very few, old apps even with updates run just as smooth as they did 6 years ago.. and will keep on running..
The tier system is a great way to explain where things exist and empowers people to make the decision if they really want to/need to upgrade. Obviously, it's a bit of a rough guess - but I think it is a great idea.
I ended up going with the 256gb 5th gen Air over the 128gb 11" Pro. At the end of the day both offered Apple Pencil 2 and Magic Keyboard support in the same size, so it came down to ProMotion/refresh rate versus price and storage. My iPad is very much a secondary device, so I just don't need those extra features. It's actually replacing a much-loved Lenovo Yoga 900 which was my daily driver laptop during grad school, but gradually became relegated to a casual web browsing and youtube/twitch in bed device as I got an employer-provided laptop for work and upgraded my gaming desktop. Now that work travel is picking back up again, I needed a light device with good battery life which I could bring along with my work laptop for personal use. The new Air really fits that niche perfectly--for light web browsing, social media, video streaming, etc, it's more than sufficient and I rarely notice the lower refresh rate. I might feel differently if I were in a creative profession and using my iPad as a primary work device, but I feel like the Air really does everything I need it to and will for several years.
When I first saw this channel I thought it was independent and was pleasantly surprised when I found out it was part of LMG. The videos you produce are very clean and visually appealing, you have truly capture the aesthetics of Apple in your videos. Also Jonathon produces some of the best LMG videos due to his creativity and ingenuity, at the same time keeping it all so sleek.
Take note that Linus is the director n producer of this episode. I think MA is the start of a new ground for the LMG as a whole in terms of creativity. I see this as a sign of more good yet different things to come.
most MA videos: apple aesthetic, buyer focused, and informing their apple audience very well. I mean, apple products are expensive, so they need to inform the viewers very well before pulling the trigger then there's the mac-flavored LMG video: "SUCK IT APPLE!!! *TOUCH SCREEN MACBOOK MOTHADUCKAZ!!!* " "We tried it, BECAUSE WE CAN!!! So you don't have to, because the touch experience on mac os SUX!!!"
I’m honestly thrilled with my 2018 iPad Pro. The fact 4 years have gone by and it still performs like a champ. The only thing that could get me to upgrade at this point is if the battery starts losing life. Makes the initial investment feel like an investment.
I had the 2016 original iPad Pro until just now that I decided to go to the iPad Air 5. I feel like this video exaggerates too much because even with the original iPad Pro performance wasn’t extremely horrible
Same. I have the 2018 Pro as well. Nothing I've seen from other iPads compels me to upgrade so far, apart from as you said, the battery. I don't use it for casual browsing or watching movies/youtube tho, it's mostly just for illustration.
Same, I love the 2018 iPad Pro it honestly doesn’t feel like a 4 year old device, still feels smoother than the iPad Air 5 thanks to the 120hz refresh rate., thinking about selling mine before the battery starts to degrade but other than it is fantastic.
I've stuck solidly with the Mini lineup for the more comfortable holding experience than the larger models. Even with more performance available now in the Air, the 2021 Mini still feels more worth it for the price than the Air, mainly due to iPadOS itself being limited. This leads to the following question being asked: *What worth is it to have best-in-class processing power of you can't use it?*
Actually what worth is it to even have last-gen processing?? Most people out there would be fine with a PC from the 90s - word processing, some videos, some email….I personally started my journey with an IPhone 6S, back then with iOS 9 it was super snappy, and did basically the same stuff my current iPhone 13 does - make phone calls, receive msgs, send emails. But the hype and race to have cutting edge stuff is real, for social status, for showing off, for short lived shot of dopamine….
I wanted a mini myself, but I don’t think it’s going to age well with only 4gb of RAM. Heck, my almost 5 year old 10.5 Pro has that amount. I think I’m going to go with the Air 5 simply because it having double the RAM and planning to keep the device for many years.
I have the mini 6, I switched to it after owning a 2018 12.9” pro. I can easily recommend the tablet. It feels snappier than the pro and the 60hz screen doesn’t really bother me. I haven’t noticed any jelly scroll. The 12.9” pro was nice while I was in college and trying to use it as my soul device for note taking, word processing and productivity. However when I graduated I found the tablet to be too big to comfortably use for content consumption and walking around the house with it or using it comfortably in portrait mode on the couch. That’s why I ultimately switched to the mini 6.
Jo Seph GD - I had the iPad Mini 4 for five years and it was a great device. The portability factor and ease of use of the iPad Mini is awesome, and the new iPad Mini 6 is an amazing tablet. I recently transitioned from the iPad Mini 4 to a new iPad Air 4 a couple weeks ago. I wanted a larger screen this time, and saved some $$ going for the the previous Gen Ipad Air over the Air 5, and it's still a big advancement in power over the Mini 4. We buy what meets our needs and works for us.
Currently on a 10.5” iPad Pro which I’ve been using for 3 years, the new Air would be the perfect upgrade for me if I were to, but the lack of ProMotion is something I’m not sure about. I’ll probably hang onto this iPad though until iPadOS support is dropped as upgrading isn’t much of a priority right now for me, I’d rather upgrade my phone first
I definitely think her iPad would work better if she reset it and fresh installed iOS. Sometimes after a while, iOS is just bogged down with stuff and needs a refresh. It’s worked a lot for me. I don’t have a 2018 iPad Pro so I wouldn’t know if that would help with those issues she had, but I have a 2017, and it’s pretty laggy. Definitely wanting an 11 inch when it gets mini-LED or something
This happened to me recently with a 2016 iPad Pro, but something that you might be ignoring is that Apple DOES 100 limit performance when the internal battery health is below 80% My Pro constantly reloaded and several apps crashed constantly, but I went to Apple for a battery replacement (replaced the whole iPad but it was fairly affordable since that was the only thing that was wrong with mine) and the performance was 100% restored. Old iPads aren't necessarily slow, but Apple does seem to muck around their RAM management when the batteries are degraded.
How can one tell the battery health on their iPad? The option to view it like you can on an iPhone does not exist that I can see. I’m still rocking my 10.5 iPad Pro but the 64gb of storage is getting to be limiting and it’s definitely showing its age when running the same apps compared to my iPhone 12 Pro max.
@@WilliamSteppan I used iMazing (free version) to check my iPad's battery health (2017 iPad Pro). I had it replaced (they don't change the battery actually, but you get a new one of the same model for 100 dollars) and it's snappy again. I feel I'll be using it for at least 1 or 2 more years.
It’s really hard to overstate how happy I am with my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9”. I bought it right after it came out and despite being 3.5 years old, it still feels plenty fast, looks just as modern as the newest iPads, and still works great with the 2nd Gen Apple Pencil and magic keyboard accessories (both of which I love). Yeah, it could definitely use a new battery, but I’m still amazed that the iPad has stood up to the test of time over these years.
I work in freelance and still have a 6th gen iPad, been waiting for a chance to upgrade. I don’t have my toes too dipped into the ecosystem so I wouldn’t be using features like AppleTV integration or air play, mainly just for art and productivity. The Air sounds like a good compromise.
Love love love the narrative approach you took with this video. Walking someone through the Olympic buying process that is Apple’s iPad lineup like a personal Genius is the treatment everyone wants, that they get with just sharing this video. Keep up the amazing work!
I still use the 2nd gen 12.9” iPad Pro. I’ve had no need to upgrade as it can still do everything that I need it to do. It doesn’t feel slow and still performing, the only thing that’s making it look outdated is the large bezels. I did however purchase a 6th gen iPad Mini, I’ve always loved the iPad Mini for it’s size and portability.
Fascinating approach to this. I honestly never expected a RUclips video to help me understand all of these nuances - I’m on a B tier 2020 iPad Pro 12.9 and I think I’ll stick with it for now, and get my first Apple Silicon as a Mac mini to replace my Intel MBP.
For my use, my 2015 ipad pro 12.9 original still serves me well. It still works as second monitor through sidecar, capable of taking hand written notes while able to multitask on browser.
I have the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9, and absolutely love it. I use it for everything from writing reports to browsing the internet, to watching videos, school, etc. I have been tempted to upgrade, but have taken a step back. I want to wait to see what the 2022 iPad Pro lineup brings to the table. If it’s minimal to that of the M1 powered iPad Pro lineup, I will continue to hold off. If the update is big, I will look into upgrading.
The 2022 line up will probably use the newly revealed M2 chip with the same mini LED display if I was you I’d get the M1 when it’s available on apple refurbished certified
@@oo0024 I have a 12.9 2021 1TB and I think this will be around for another 5 years. Processing power is the least of my worries. Mini-LED, quad speakers and pro-motion are the winners here.
I bought the 2017 (2nd Generation) 12.9” iPad Pro a few months after release and it’s still a delight to use. The first gen pencil is annoying, but otherwise the things I use the iPad for (annotating PDFs, reading books, sketching diagrams) it handles like a champ. Every year an iPad with more compute resources comes out but still the only thing even getting me thinking about upgrading is the second gen pencil and the magic keyboard. Almost 5 years later it’s one of the best tech purchases I’ve ever made.
I have an 11” M1 iPad Pro that I’ve opened for about a year and it’s been phenomenal! The screen alone is worth the minor upgrade from the Air because it also adds 64GB of memory.
@@greggmacdonald9644 storage memory not RAM.., base Air is 64 base Pro is 128. Even if I wasn’t specific no iPad 64gb of RAM. I’m not the one who is incorrect ;)
@@MarbsMusic Good try, but you're still incorrect. I will explain: Memory and Storage space are two different things, but they are measured in the same units, which is where I think your confusion is coming from. The iPad Pro's storage varies from 128 GB to 2 TB. Memory is 8 GB on the 128 GB, 256 GB, and 512 GB models, and memory is 16 GB on the 1 TB and 2 TB models. This might seem like a pedantic distinction, but it really isn't.
@@greggmacdonald9644 I truly understand, my point was the price factor difference. Most people considering between an Air and a Pro aren't looking for the 16GB RAM version, they are more worried about their storage. If you watched the video he noted that both the Air 5 and the 11" Pro with less than 1TB of storage had 8GB. Thus my point was the price difference between the 2 base models, EACH with 8GB, was around ~$200. For that you got a better screen and 128GB rather than 64GB of storage (memory not RAM). I do thank you for your explanation though. I'm quite sure there are many who do not understand the difference. For most consumers it actually is a pedantic difference because usually only professionals need or care about 16Gb of RAM on a tablet. Most just care how much storage... especially those looking to purchase an Air. Just speaking from experience, sale figures and many "reviews", I could be wrong though...
I upgraded from a 1st gen air to a 2021 11 inch pro last month. The air had just come out, but for the extra storage on the base model and better refresh rate display, the pro was worth it (especially as I think it was on sale at Amazon at the time.) I love it. Beyond belief. Coming from the iPad I have it’s such a pleasurable experience. Now all we need is a few desktop apps to be supported and we’ll be golden
Bought the mini 6 in November and I'm honestly in love with it. My phone usage has dropped to less than half of what it used to be, since I bought the mini. It's the ipad to go for if you want an authentic tablet experience.
After having Pro Motion and mini led on the 12.9 inch m1 iPad Pro I can’t settle for less in any display. That’s the must have bare minimum standard for me now.
Been running my 2018 iPad Pro and was considering upgrading - but I see now it’s not worth it (yet). Thank you for the great video! Superb explanations and very logical rankings.
Great video! I'm daily driving my 2018 pro for a while now and its doing great for what I need so far. Mostly media consumption and document browsing. My only gripe is that when i eventually upgrade to a non-pro model I'll miss the 120 refresh screen.
why bother upgraduing? I would personally but a 2018 refurb ipad pro today over a brand new ipad Air. Still cheaper, you get a brand new battery and chassis, and same warranty.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 yeah, iPad pro 2018 still the most value iPad at least for me. Even the 2020 iPad pro now have the same price as the brand new iPad air by only losing on performance same like 2018 with a few upgrade
@@michaelcorcoran8768 I plan to keep on using it till it either crashes and burns or it is no longer able to do what I need it do. I hope that it'll keep doing a great job for at least the next 2-3 years. When the time comes to upgrade once more, I don't think I'll be needing anything from the 'pro' model series anymore as technology has progressed so much these days (although still to see what the future brings).
The main issue now is the gap between the 11 and 12 inch iPad pro imo. The defining feature of the 12 (miniLED) isn't on the 11, so other than performance, an iPad pro 11" bought in 2022 is going to be more or less the same as the 2018 for most users. This is particularly true given some of the limitations of iPadOS allocating resources to applications. The software I just don't feel is there to justify the need for M1 power, there absolutely are pro pieces of software, but the restrictions of the OS mean anyone outside of strictly freelance creative roles will run into compatibility or workflow issues. Google have made real strides to make chromeOS more competent, allowing full Linux and android apps to be run, introducing steam, the ability to easily dual boot windows or other OSs, etc. I just don't think apple can keep resting on their laurels with ipadOS while Google and Microsoft are closing the gap.
@@nshinata9244 That is not true, a lot of people including myself prefer the more portable and lighter size. Maybe if I never left my house it wouldn't matter and would prefer the larger screen.
Looking to get my wife a new ipad. Randomly found this channel recommended for information on apple products. About 15 secs into the video I said to my self... this has really good LTT level production and quality with good editing. Then I started to recognize a lotta LTT set pieces.... should of figured. Keep up the good work!
Definitely an ‘A’ tier video. Absolutely perfect as I too have a (Apple refurbished) 2018 iPad Prom 11” and was thinking of updating but having seen this vid and the usage scenario then I’ll be keeping it. It was actually the best tech purchase that I ever made with this now being my only device (having replaced my MacBook). Great vid and Nicole’s input was great. Many thanks 🙏. Subbed 👍👏🏻
I have one of the 2nd gen 11 inch iPad Pros, 2 years on with frequent use and I have no complaints. Battery use is still great, none of the features feel dated or old, all of the programs still run fast and smooth. It’s fantastic. Worth the initial spend
As usual, Andy and Jon, you two kill it. Part of the emerging group. I have two. Mini 6 and the M1 12.9. The former for note taking and daily business related functions. The latter for content consumption when I want to give my 13 PM a rest (Or my eyes). I only unsheathe my MBP for Final Cut stuff. Neither are good at everything, but both are very good at something.
omg just what i need! i have the 2018 ipad pro and i use it everyday professionally as a digital illustrator. Thinking about upgrading it but after i watch this video idt its worth the upgrade. I'm just going to wait for the next ipad pro. Great video!!
I'm not sure how intentional it is, but it is nonetheless refreshing to watch a guy who is just like one of us, a non-expert but knowledgeable, regular fan of all things Apple, looking at and comparing devices. It's really fun to watch. A reviewer doesn't need to take himself too seriously to be interesting, and this channel is certainly interesting.
I mean, if I'm spending $1500 on an iPad Pro, at that point I'd be better off just spending $500 more on a 14 inch Macbook Pro instead. (which I did, and I love it to death. I hardly touch iPads anymore with how good this thing is.) Man, I really hope we get major overhauls to iPadOS, or sideloading, or both, then I'd have an excuse to use this thing.
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 after Your bankruptcy because of these price tag you can't spend extra money for software like movies or programs so piracy is the only option so side load is very important
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 developers become greedy especially with (subscriptions plans) like its not one buy time only like microsoft office so you can't own one thing even after spending money So yeah my cracked version will be paid from one rich guy with his monthly/yearly subscription or company that their employees work with this program not immoral if u ask me until they make (normal ppl subscription or one buy time )
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 When I paid over $1000 for the device, I deserve full control over that device, especially when it has the guts of a Mac, but does less than a Mac and is more expensive than a Mac. A lot of big tech critics and hardcore Apple users are begging for the M1 iPads to gain the ability to dualboot macOS because of this. So unless iPadOS gets sideloading soon, I don't see myself ever getting these expensive ass iPads. It's like what Jonathan said: Cheap iPad is best iPad. Also unrelated side tangent: Why the hell is the vanilla iPad the only iPad with a headphone jack?! The other iPads aren't water resistant or very thin so why the hell do they not have headphone jacks especially with how much Apple's been advertising it as a laptop replacement, yet the much cheaper M1 Macbook Airs have headphone jacks and are thinner than the iPads!
I wish I could see actually which iPad model is in which tier (especially older ones). Because I don't know which processor is in my iPad, and I think it is fun to compare. I had to google which one it was.
I love the iPad Pro 2021. Got the 11” 512 gb…I do design work and music production mainly and occasionally consume content and play games. It is so far near perfect for my needs. I only dreamt of this a decade ago. Now, that dream is literally within the grasp of my hands. I have no complaints…sure it can be and should always push to improve…but that’s with anything in life. Love the iPad Pro with the M1 now…Thank you Steve Jobs!
I have an iPad Air 4 that is really used like a laptop me and what I do on a daily. I definitely don’t plan on upgrading but this was such a well done video.
The 2018 iPad Pro is just such a nice device. I still use it and I’m really happy with it. Even now, the battery seems to do a pretty good job. After over 3 years I can’t complain and it’s still fast.
I’m using an E-tier iPad, and I don’t plan to upgrade. In fact, I don’t think I’ll ever upgrade. An iPad simply cannot replace a MacBook for me, and now that I have an iPhone with more than 16GB of storage, I can install all the apps I need on it without having to resort to using my iPad. The one thing my iPad can do that my MacBook can’t is playing RUclips videos without deafening fan noise, but when I upgrade to a new MacBook, that won’t be a problem anymore.
around 6:50 the ipad mini 4 is mistakenly grouped with the ipads that dont support the latest iOS release anymore- but it is! the mini 4 is fully up to date despite its A8 processor
I have a 10.5inch 2nd gen iPad pro (2017), and even now I still don’t have a need to upgrade it, and I use mine everyday. Its still really good and gets the job done
Thank you SO MUCH. People always say "well the price difference between the ipad air and the 11 inch ipad pro isn't a lot" like dude, a higher refresh rate and irrelevant extra things aren't worth 200 bucks! Maybe to someone in the us, but for me, I live in latin america, that is a loooooot of money! The iPad air looks more future proof than the ipad 2018 was, it performs better, and it's still cheaper! This tier perfectly illustrates that. Thanks! Also, beautiful cinematography!
I still have an original Ipad, jailbroke it years ago and battery is still phenomonal compared to other devices of today. I mainly use it as a remote for Cubase but the kids still read books and play games on it.
I had recently got an a13 iPad and as a started to watch more videos about iPads I kept seeing the iPad Pros and M1 chips mentioned which made me a bit regretful about buying this one but watching this videos made me feel a lot safer that i bought this one
even though i'm not really an apple product user and thus not really a target demographic of these videos i really enjoy these for their writing and presentation style. aside from informational ofc. excellent addition to an already great LTT family
This video was perfect for me, being someone who is looking at buying an Ipad for the first time. I appreciate the detail in which these devices have been explained, and I also compliment you guys on the elegant style of the video as well. Thanks =).
I have a 2018 iPad Pro and have NEVER been compelled to "upgrade". If I bought a new iPad, I don't think I would notice any sort of difference from what I have now. I could change sizes, but I feel the 11in form factor is absolutely perfect. It uses the latest apple pencil, since they haven't launched another version since gen 2. They limit what the iPad is capable of through their OS. So unless I start to export large files, or edit videos, there's nothing that the new iPads offer that I need.
I have a 2019 ipad air because it always seems like I buy mine right before apple releases a new one. this video was helpful. now i know which options i have to upgrade too. thank you for the list
My 2018 iPad Pro 11 inch is still working just as good as the day i got it. Now I also have the 256 gb and its not completely filled to capacity either. But I’m still loving it. I take it everywhere I go.
2017 10.5" Pro (A10X Fusion, "tier D") user here and this video convinced me to that I do NOT want to upgrade, because it wouldn't actually BE an upgrade. I write and draw on my iPad, and having the line lagging behind my pencil with the downgrade to the refresh rate would drive me freaking INSANE.
I picked up an M1 iPad Pro last year and it’ll probably serve me well for several years. ProMotion 120hz display, 8 gb ram, 2nd gen stylus support, quad speakers, face id, thunderbolt compatible, magic keyboard compatible, stage manager compatible and a few other things I’m sure I’m forgetting. And I bought it new for less than the retail price of the 5th gen iPad Air. No brainer.
I just switched from the original 9.7 iPad Pro to the M1 11” iPad Pro. Despite having a cracked screen, the 9.7 was still performing very decently. I could take notes, browse, watch some movies, etc. I decided to upgrade after switching from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 13 Pro Max where my eyes just couldn’t ignore how dated my 9.7 was. Bit the bullet and got the 11” M1 pro because I do use my iPad as my main work device. Also, my 9.7 has been going strong for the past 6 years and is now being used by my dad and he hasn’t had issues.
I’m currently using the iPad 9th gen and it does everything I need it to do as a student. I don’t even miss the promotion display from my previous 10.5” iPad Pro
I legit thought this was an independent channel. I saw the CPU pillow and thought "ohey, I recognize that. Then the walls of the lounge and "wait.." and finally the linus meme face box on the shelf and that's when it clicked. The tone of these videos are so different from other LMG videos, and super clean and polished, and that's really cool!
I have the iPad mini 6th gen (2021) and I use it a lot for more personal stuff but also as my main note taking device for work and sometimes even as a second screen for my MacBook. I recommend it if you are not a power user like a designer.
My only previous iPad was an original launch date iPad mini. Still works, just many apps don’t want to anymore due to its age, 9 1/2 years it’s lasted!!!! My work have given me a pretty heavy laptop that I have to take on the road with me, so going to pick myself up a 5th Gen Air in the next few weeks to do work on the road and for personal use
I wholeheartedly agree with this list, I have a 2018 iPad Pro and I have very rarely actually needed *more* performance, and I 3d sculpt on it and I can get like 10 million polygons with it still working very well, and when I need any more power I just go to my desktop.
Currently I'm using the iPad pro 10.5. For dairy use, it works pretty well not to mention I play some video games on it like PUBG Mobile and COD. Besides, for the battery and the speaker are still not disappointed me. I still enjoy using it after seeing a bunch of new generation of iPads.
I’ve been using my E-Tiered 2015 iPad Pro 12.9” since launch and can say it still functions great as my primarily tablet. For my use (textbooks, basic note taking for school, and lots of content consumption) it still is totally viable and doesn’t feel too hampered in comparison to my much more modern i9 MacBook Pro or 14PM. The display looks fantastic speakers sound great and the battery is still around 89% capacity. My main complaint is the lack of VP9 codec as you’re no longer able to view videos higher than 1080p on RUclips. The 4GB of ram in the pro is what has really made the device usable all these years later. I don’t plan on upgrading until I lose support, likely on iOS 17.
I’m still running the iPad Pro 10.5 without any problems. Even the battery is still performing really well considering that I use it every day for 4-5 hours.
As for me, I wanted to have a companion for my 2012 MacBook pro. I purchased the iPad 7th Generation and surprisingly I found myself using the iPad on its own instead of a companion for my macbook. Since I don't need the extra power of the Air nor the flagship qualities of the pro, I am planning on upgrading to the iPad 9th gen for more storage mainly. Heck I even used it as my linux "box" with iSH as well! So many cool and unique ways of using a device like this! I also wanted to mention that your videos rock!
iPad Pro 2018 user here also ✋. Can’t believe we still exists and been riding it out near to 4 years. Will only upgrade if there really is a significant change in the frontal design.
Sure wish you would re-do this, but make it a specific tier list to iPad Pros. When should you upgrade from a 10.5, and should you go to the M1, M2 or M4?
It is funny to hear a comment in this video about users having more than one iPad to handle work on their mobile devices. I thought I was outside the norm when I got my 11" iPad Pro M1 for work, but I also kept my first gen 9.7" iPad Pro to keep my inbox for work in an always on/always visible state while I am working on my PC and my new iPad for my regular work. I guess I am not alone in seeing an advantage to having a pair of these devices at the ready for my day to day work.
I recently got a 5G-connected iPad Air because I like to do a lot of travel photography and pulling out my MacBook Pro to edit 1-2 images is kind of a pain (big edits are done on my gaming rig). Definitely not disappointed. The ProMotion display in the iPad Pro would've been nice, but I couldn't justify the price with me not really needing it.
Honestly if her iPad Pro is slowing down, it’s more likely a battery issue than a RAM issue. If the battery health is below 80%, the Apple device will absolutely throttle performance. I have both the 2018 11” iPad Pro that she has and the current 2021 12.9” iPad Pro. I was surprised how fast her iPad deteriorated in performance after opening just 3 apps. For about 95% of use cases, there isn’t really that much of a difference in performance between my tablets. I switch between photo editing, drawing, web browsing and even work related tasks often and don’t see any slowdown in my 2018 iPad.
My 8th generation iPad still does everything I want it to do, so I won't be upgrading. I was afraid 32 GB storage wouldn't be enough, but over a year later and I'm still using less than half. Most importantly, it was cheap. I got it as a compact laptop replacement for travel that can do email, web browsing, office apps, and content streaming, that I wouldn't cry over if it was damaged, lost, or stolen. It fits the bill perfectly.
I think as a good option for me for an entry level iPad is a 256GB First Gen iPad Pro 11 inch from 2018. It seems amazing with the Pro Motion display and it is probably my best bet.
To be fair Reddit's video player requires, sometimes literal, magic to work consistently.
100%. It always crashes when I want to show something to my gf.
It's always loading for me.
yeah lmao
@@LRZ_DISCO ha
is apollo available for ipad?
I went from an iPad Air 2 to the iPad Pro 11" 2021 last year. It was such a needed upgrade for performance but mainly because I've been using it for school and I love using it as my notebook and textbook. I got the Pro over another Air because the price difference after upgrading was so small and I felt 120 Hz would bring a way better-writing experience. And when turning 120 Hz off, I can definitely tell the difference when writing, it is just not as natural. Also, I wasn't able to go all into using an iPad as my only computer because there were some apps and even websites that only worked on a computer/Chrome for my schooling (Engineering).
What type of computer do you have for engineering? is it a windows or mac?
@@salsaproductions6286 I use a MacBook, I got it before I went to university as I got into iOS programming. I haven’t ran into many issues with programs not working so far. And luckily my university also has VMs through VMware Horizon we can log into and access the programs that aren’t available on macOS but it’s only been a few so far.
Me too upgrading from Air 2 to M1 Pro 11 inch 256 gb 😍
We are upgrading from the same device lol (edit: 2020 iPad Pro 11” because I’m broke.)
Haha i went from Air 2 to iPad Pro 2017
Horst is one of the best writers at ltt. We see all the videos and we enjoy all of them, but the amount of work that Horst has with this channel, with the camera angles, the "documentary" alike video and all of the places that he films in just one video it's just amazing.
Good job LTT team!
nice bot
So I've been a pc guy most of my life, and as such, I'm a big fan of the LMG channels. I recently got converted to Mac for video editing and general productivity and this is the first MA video I've clicked on. And I have to say, the delivery in this video is absolutely insane. So glad I clicked. Excellent work👌🏼
Being real for a moment, this channel truly stands out among the LTT channels.
Jonathan's cinematography truly shines in these videos to where they each feel special, and showing both the good and bad when it comes to Apple's products.
Give credit to Andy and Linus, the later being director and producer and Andy being art director. still props to Jonathan for great writing and impecable hosting.
I was just thinking how this channel is so different from the other channels. The feel, the look, the tone honestly the only thing that is similar is the throw to the sponsor.
I totally agree, it's definitely the LTT channel with the most unique and instantly distinctive aesthetic. It also feels more genuine and progresses "naturally" rather than being a very obviously scripted video. Each video has its own plot and story progression elements, which is awesome if you consider that these are just supposed to be hardware reviews
I don't even use a single Apple product, and I watch every single MAC address video the day it comes out. They're just that well produced
Yeah didnt even realize he was part of the LTT group for awhile. Really good content creator I love all his videos!
Lol every MacAddress seems to have a real documentary vibe to it!
I love the different point of view(s) that this video presented, it gave what Jonathan is talking about some real texture. As I don't like tablets in general, I wouldn't bother with any of these....but it also made me actually think about wanting to try one which seriously surprised me. Great job, Jonathan, I'm really loving this channel!
As long as you not try in the e or below
This channel has really come into its own. When I first saw it, I must admit I was skeptical that anyone in the LMG Company could cover Apple products fairly and while being entertaining. This video I think it’s the best of the best, feeling like a friendly conversation about the state of the iPad, with top-notch, clear information, and amazing cinematography. I’m very impressed by the teams work and I’m looking forward to more. I also feel that MAC address participates the least in the Tech arm race, which has plagued the rest of the tech world
They were smart to hire an apple user/fanboy to run the channel too. More people trust it due to that.
Yeah, beats the everending Apple bashing and Intel shilling you find on on other LMG channels
@@poundlandspeedwagonrequiem typical applesheep. They bush Apple on purpose like fake graphs. And they aren't Intel shill. They're more sponsored by AMD than Intel.
Illiterate trollkid
@@poundlandspeedwagonrequiem definitely apple bashing, wouldn't say there's intel shilling beyond what they do for sponsorships.
@@crazybeatrice4555 in which way is there apple bashing in the other LMG Channels? It is just a different focus there. Apple products won’t get recommended as long as Apple behaves like they do in areas like right to repair, open communication and how they treat their buyers. And that is completely fair. This critique is fair and it is important. Probably not so important for you but extremely important for me. I will never buy a Mac because of the problems I see at the moment. The only apple product I use is an IPad and it is great. But I hope never to have to deal with apple a single bit more than necessary.
My experience on the 2018 iPad Pro is very different than shown in this video… totally smooth all the time and I’ve never noticed things going out of memory (do agree with the tier it was put in tho)
Yeah, she should've stated if the storage was bloated or not, cause that could've contributed to the slowdowns.
Yeah same I still got my 2018 one and I’ve never experienced any of these issues. It really depends on exactly what you use it for and how much you bloat the device. Do even if the 2018 is still pretty good for the age; I feel this review is a little more dramatic than in most peoples experiences
As a non apple user with no interest in getting an iPad, I still found this video very interesting and well produced. I really enjoyed the pacing and video style
The 2018 ipad pro is clearly one of the best ipads ever made! Personally, since i have never even used all of the 4GBs of ram on my iphone Xs, this amount of ram isn’t bothering me. So i would definitely choose 2018 Pro rather than the M1 air. And i find it incredible that a 4 year old device can still be that competitive
talking about that, I have an iPad 6th gen! and for the tasks that I do (browsing web, and browsing a bit more web, and a little bit more web and notion) I don't think I will need an upgrade even in 3 more years! the only thing that bothers me is the sound quality but having 3.5mm jack is bliss to use KZs.. battery is good but charging suck although i only charge at night...
@@manjindersinghsaini911 my brother also has this ipad and i see him playing on it all day with his friends online games like minecraft, pubg and more and all of them run really good. Also i wouldnt say the sound is not good
@@andreas_karam its good but compared to even cheap android tablets like tab A7 (4 speakers), it definitely lacks surround sound support and clarity at Max loundness that they are giving, however, latest iPads and even android tabs have got so much bass and fuller sound compared to this one. Its definitely usable but not enjoyable in music or any RUclips video in general. Probably because it's single speaker vs 4 on others.
@@manjindersinghsaini911 yeah i agree, but my other brother’s ipad 8th gen has such good speakers and the are also only 2! No cap they are incredibly good for being only a pair.
@@oo0024 depending on the usage, you couldn't be more wrong... Even the heaviest of games on iOS today only utilise about 1.3Gig at Max graphics.. with how nicely they optimise apps, I think for casual users, iPad 2018 can easily last even 2 years beyond after even apple ends software update support for it.. websites in general are not becoming heavier, 95% of the websites and online applications are just as demanding as they were in say, 2015.. and it's probably gonna stay this for net 4-5 years.. besides most apps on average utilise RAM on the basis of how much is available, so even 2GB ram iPad is gonna have no problem anytime soon (3 years).. for testing, you can pick up any 1GB ram iPad or iPhone 6, anything that worked on it at time of launch works pretty much the same.. only newer games require better specs, you will be just fine multitasking upto 4 apps like twitch RUclips or Twitter.. and even more with lighter apps. CPUs are getting more power with time, but resources demanding apps are very few, old apps even with updates run just as smooth as they did 6 years ago.. and will keep on running..
Don't let this show go away. It's definitely your best content at the time. Great content, script and production.
The tier system is a great way to explain where things exist and empowers people to make the decision if they really want to/need to upgrade. Obviously, it's a bit of a rough guess - but I think it is a great idea.
I’ve actually been considering an iPad for a while, so this video came at a perfect time.
Same here been really considering the mini since I can't find anything comparable to it
@@Alex-re3qm why get a mini
I read this as “I’ve actually considered being an iPad for a while” 😅
same here, been thinking of getting the m1 pro for a while but then came the iPad air with a reasonable price
Highly recommend it
I ended up going with the 256gb 5th gen Air over the 128gb 11" Pro. At the end of the day both offered Apple Pencil 2 and Magic Keyboard support in the same size, so it came down to ProMotion/refresh rate versus price and storage. My iPad is very much a secondary device, so I just don't need those extra features. It's actually replacing a much-loved Lenovo Yoga 900 which was my daily driver laptop during grad school, but gradually became relegated to a casual web browsing and youtube/twitch in bed device as I got an employer-provided laptop for work and upgraded my gaming desktop. Now that work travel is picking back up again, I needed a light device with good battery life which I could bring along with my work laptop for personal use. The new Air really fits that niche perfectly--for light web browsing, social media, video streaming, etc, it's more than sufficient and I rarely notice the lower refresh rate. I might feel differently if I were in a creative profession and using my iPad as a primary work device, but I feel like the Air really does everything I need it to and will for several years.
When I first saw this channel I thought it was independent and was pleasantly surprised when I found out it was part of LMG.
The videos you produce are very clean and visually appealing, you have truly capture the aesthetics of Apple in your videos. Also Jonathon produces some of the best LMG videos due to his creativity and ingenuity, at the same time keeping it all so sleek.
Take note that Linus is the director n producer of this episode. I think MA is the start of a new ground for the LMG as a whole in terms of creativity. I see this as a sign of more good yet different things to come.
most MA videos: apple aesthetic, buyer focused, and informing their apple audience very well.
I mean, apple products are expensive, so they need to inform the viewers very well before pulling the trigger
then there's the mac-flavored LMG video: "SUCK IT APPLE!!! *TOUCH SCREEN MACBOOK MOTHADUCKAZ!!!* "
"We tried it, BECAUSE WE CAN!!! So you don't have to, because the touch experience on mac os SUX!!!"
What is lmg
@@bensondentalassociates8690 Linus media group, the parent company of LTT, ShortCircuit, MacAddress and all the others.
It's also nice that Linus gives him enough freedom to create videos that are a bit different from the ones in the other channels.
I use my ipad HEAVILY. I use it for medical school, Gaming, and watching twitch. I edit videos , make presentations, and I even used it for work.
I’m honestly thrilled with my 2018 iPad Pro. The fact 4 years have gone by and it still performs like a champ. The only thing that could get me to upgrade at this point is if the battery starts losing life. Makes the initial investment feel like an investment.
I had the 2016 original iPad Pro until just now that I decided to go to the iPad Air 5. I feel like this video exaggerates too much because even with the original iPad Pro performance wasn’t extremely horrible
Same. I have the 2018 Pro as well. Nothing I've seen from other iPads compels me to upgrade so far, apart from as you said, the battery. I don't use it for casual browsing or watching movies/youtube tho, it's mostly just for illustration.
Same, I love the 2018 iPad Pro it honestly doesn’t feel like a 4 year old device, still feels smoother than the iPad Air 5 thanks to the 120hz refresh rate., thinking about selling mine before the battery starts to degrade but other than it is fantastic.
@@EddyGraphic A12X and M1 doesn't really far of the gap of performance if you're not comparing it
I love my 2018 iPad Pro. I don’t have any lag problems.
I've stuck solidly with the Mini lineup for the more comfortable holding experience than the larger models. Even with more performance available now in the Air, the 2021 Mini still feels more worth it for the price than the Air, mainly due to iPadOS itself being limited. This leads to the following question being asked:
*What worth is it to have best-in-class processing power of you can't use it?*
Actually what worth is it to even have last-gen processing?? Most people out there would be fine with a PC from the 90s - word processing, some videos, some email….I personally started my journey with an IPhone 6S, back then with iOS 9 it was super snappy, and did basically the same stuff my current iPhone 13 does - make phone calls, receive msgs, send emails. But the hype and race to have cutting edge stuff is real, for social status, for showing off, for short lived shot of dopamine….
I wanted a mini myself, but I don’t think it’s going to age well with only 4gb of RAM. Heck, my almost 5 year old 10.5 Pro has that amount. I think I’m going to go with the Air 5 simply because it having double the RAM and planning to keep the device for many years.
I have the mini 6, I switched to it after owning a 2018 12.9” pro. I can easily recommend the tablet. It feels snappier than the pro and the 60hz screen doesn’t really bother me. I haven’t noticed any jelly scroll.
The 12.9” pro was nice while I was in college and trying to use it as my soul device for note taking, word processing and productivity. However when I graduated I found the tablet to be too big to comfortably use for content consumption and walking around the house with it or using it comfortably in portrait mode on the couch. That’s why I ultimately switched to the mini 6.
@@Xpuc I think you’re majorly underestimating how powerful a PC from the 90s are.
Jo Seph GD - I had the iPad Mini 4 for five years and it was a great device. The portability factor and ease of use of the iPad Mini is awesome, and the new iPad Mini 6 is an amazing tablet.
I recently transitioned from the iPad Mini 4 to a new iPad Air 4 a couple weeks ago. I wanted a larger screen this time, and saved some $$ going for the the previous Gen Ipad Air over the Air 5, and it's still a big advancement in power over the Mini 4. We buy what meets our needs and works for us.
Currently on a 10.5” iPad Pro which I’ve been using for 3 years, the new Air would be the perfect upgrade for me if I were to, but the lack of ProMotion is something I’m not sure about. I’ll probably hang onto this iPad though until iPadOS support is dropped as upgrading isn’t much of a priority right now for me, I’d rather upgrade my phone first
Same. I’m not going to the Air since I’ll lose out on 120hz and no quad-speakers. Dealbreaker for me
I’m in the same exact boat as you
And keep the headhone jack!
10.5 iPad Pro is underrated. Quad speakers, pro motion display, optical stabilization on camera
@ understand that but I don’t mind as I moved to wireless headphones before I upgraded to it
I definitely think her iPad would work better if she reset it and fresh installed iOS. Sometimes after a while, iOS is just bogged down with stuff and needs a refresh. It’s worked a lot for me. I don’t have a 2018 iPad Pro so I wouldn’t know if that would help with those issues she had, but I have a 2017, and it’s pretty laggy. Definitely wanting an 11 inch when it gets mini-LED or something
This happened to me recently with a 2016 iPad Pro, but something that you might be ignoring is that Apple DOES 100 limit performance when the internal battery health is below 80% My Pro constantly reloaded and several apps crashed constantly, but I went to Apple for a battery replacement (replaced the whole iPad but it was fairly affordable since that was the only thing that was wrong with mine) and the performance was 100% restored. Old iPads aren't necessarily slow, but Apple does seem to muck around their RAM management when the batteries are degraded.
How can one tell the battery health on their iPad? The option to view it like you can on an iPhone does not exist that I can see. I’m still rocking my 10.5 iPad Pro but the 64gb of storage is getting to be limiting and it’s definitely showing its age when running the same apps compared to my iPhone 12 Pro max.
@@WilliamSteppan use coconut battery on windows or macos, connect your ios devices and it will tell
@@xudumusics8148 thanks, I’ll check that out!
do they give you a refurbished device for the replacement ?
@@WilliamSteppan I used iMazing (free version) to check my iPad's battery health (2017 iPad Pro). I had it replaced (they don't change the battery actually, but you get a new one of the same model for 100 dollars) and it's snappy again. I feel I'll be using it for at least 1 or 2 more years.
It’s really hard to overstate how happy I am with my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9”. I bought it right after it came out and despite being 3.5 years old, it still feels plenty fast, looks just as modern as the newest iPads, and still works great with the 2nd Gen Apple Pencil and magic keyboard accessories (both of which I love). Yeah, it could definitely use a new battery, but I’m still amazed that the iPad has stood up to the test of time over these years.
i have the same ipad but 11inch and ur right
I'm always pleasantly surprised at the production quality of this channel. It's a joy to watch these videos.
I work in freelance and still have a 6th gen iPad, been waiting for a chance to upgrade. I don’t have my toes too dipped into the ecosystem so I wouldn’t be using features like AppleTV integration or air play, mainly just for art and productivity. The Air sounds like a good compromise.
Love love love the narrative approach you took with this video. Walking someone through the Olympic buying process that is Apple’s iPad lineup like a personal Genius is the treatment everyone wants, that they get with just sharing this video. Keep up the amazing work!
I still use the 2nd gen 12.9” iPad Pro. I’ve had no need to upgrade as it can still do everything that I need it to do. It doesn’t feel slow and still performing, the only thing that’s making it look outdated is the large bezels. I did however purchase a 6th gen iPad Mini, I’ve always loved the iPad Mini for it’s size and portability.
Fascinating approach to this. I honestly never expected a RUclips video to help me understand all of these nuances - I’m on a B tier 2020 iPad Pro 12.9 and I think I’ll stick with it for now, and get my first Apple Silicon as a Mac mini to replace my Intel MBP.
For my use, my 2015 ipad pro 12.9 original still serves me well. It still works as second monitor through sidecar, capable of taking hand written notes while able to multitask on browser.
I have the 2018 iPad Pro 12.9, and absolutely love it. I use it for everything from writing reports to browsing the internet, to watching videos, school, etc. I have been tempted to upgrade, but have taken a step back. I want to wait to see what the 2022 iPad Pro lineup brings to the table. If it’s minimal to that of the M1 powered iPad Pro lineup, I will continue to hold off. If the update is big, I will look into upgrading.
The 2022 line up will probably use the newly revealed M2 chip with the same mini LED display if I was you I’d get the M1 when it’s available on apple refurbished certified
@@oo0024 when do you think it will be available?
@@oo0024 I have a 12.9 2021 1TB and I think this will be around for another 5 years. Processing power is the least of my worries. Mini-LED, quad speakers and pro-motion are the winners here.
I bought the 2017 (2nd Generation) 12.9” iPad Pro a few months after release and it’s still a delight to use. The first gen pencil is annoying, but otherwise the things I use the iPad for (annotating PDFs, reading books, sketching diagrams) it handles like a champ. Every year an iPad with more compute resources comes out but still the only thing even getting me thinking about upgrading is the second gen pencil and the magic keyboard. Almost 5 years later it’s one of the best tech purchases I’ve ever made.
I have an 11” M1 iPad Pro that I’ve opened for about a year and it’s been phenomenal! The screen alone is worth the minor upgrade from the Air because it also adds 64GB of memory.
That's incorrect. Depending on which model of iPad Pro you have, you either have 8 GB or 16 GB memory.
@@greggmacdonald9644 storage memory not RAM.., base Air is 64 base Pro is 128. Even if I wasn’t specific no iPad 64gb of RAM. I’m not the one who is incorrect ;)
@@MarbsMusic Good try, but you're still incorrect. I will explain: Memory and Storage space are two different things, but they are measured in the same units, which is where I think your confusion is coming from. The iPad Pro's storage varies from 128 GB to 2 TB. Memory is 8 GB on the 128 GB, 256 GB, and 512 GB models, and memory is 16 GB on the 1 TB and 2 TB models. This might seem like a pedantic distinction, but it really isn't.
@@greggmacdonald9644 I truly understand, my point was the price factor difference. Most people considering between an Air and a Pro aren't looking for the 16GB RAM version, they are more worried about their storage. If you watched the video he noted that both the Air 5 and the 11" Pro with less than 1TB of storage had 8GB. Thus my point was the price difference between the 2 base models, EACH with 8GB, was around ~$200. For that you got a better screen and 128GB rather than 64GB of storage (memory not RAM). I do thank you for your explanation though. I'm quite sure there are many who do not understand the difference.
For most consumers it actually is a pedantic difference because usually only professionals need or care about 16Gb of RAM on a tablet. Most just care how much storage... especially those looking to purchase an Air. Just speaking from experience, sale figures and many "reviews", I could be wrong though...
the screen adds memory?
I upgraded from a 1st gen air to a 2021 11 inch pro last month. The air had just come out, but for the extra storage on the base model and better refresh rate display, the pro was worth it (especially as I think it was on sale at Amazon at the time.) I love it. Beyond belief. Coming from the iPad I have it’s such a pleasurable experience. Now all we need is a few desktop apps to be supported and we’ll be golden
The Mini 6 is the best for me. Enough processing power but still portable.
Bought the mini 6 in November and I'm honestly in love with it. My phone usage has dropped to less than half of what it used to be, since I bought the mini. It's the ipad to go for if you want an authentic tablet experience.
EASILY the most helpful iPad video I have seen !!!!!!!!!
After having Pro Motion and mini led on the 12.9 inch m1 iPad Pro I can’t settle for less in any display. That’s the must have bare minimum standard for me now.
Been running my 2018 iPad Pro and was considering upgrading - but I see now it’s not worth it (yet). Thank you for the great video! Superb explanations and very logical rankings.
Great video! I'm daily driving my 2018 pro for a while now and its doing great for what I need so far. Mostly media consumption and document browsing. My only gripe is that when i eventually upgrade to a non-pro model I'll miss the 120 refresh screen.
why bother upgraduing? I would personally but a 2018 refurb ipad pro today over a brand new ipad Air. Still cheaper, you get a brand new battery and chassis, and same warranty.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 yeah, iPad pro 2018 still the most value iPad at least for me. Even the 2020 iPad pro now have the same price as the brand new iPad air by only losing on performance same like 2018 with a few upgrade
@@michaelcorcoran8768 I plan to keep on using it till it either crashes and burns or it is no longer able to do what I need it do. I hope that it'll keep doing a great job for at least the next 2-3 years. When the time comes to upgrade once more, I don't think I'll be needing anything from the 'pro' model series anymore as technology has progressed so much these days (although still to see what the future brings).
You guys have been taking your time
The main issue now is the gap between the 11 and 12 inch iPad pro imo. The defining feature of the 12 (miniLED) isn't on the 11, so other than performance, an iPad pro 11" bought in 2022 is going to be more or less the same as the 2018 for most users. This is particularly true given some of the limitations of iPadOS allocating resources to applications.
The software I just don't feel is there to justify the need for M1 power, there absolutely are pro pieces of software, but the restrictions of the OS mean anyone outside of strictly freelance creative roles will run into compatibility or workflow issues.
Google have made real strides to make chromeOS more competent, allowing full Linux and android apps to be run, introducing steam, the ability to easily dual boot windows or other OSs, etc. I just don't think apple can keep resting on their laurels with ipadOS while Google and Microsoft are closing the gap.
@@nshinata9244 nope, I wanted the 11 inch for the size, traded my 12.9inch for it with my brother
@@nshinata9244 That is not true, a lot of people including myself prefer the more portable and lighter size. Maybe if I never left my house it wouldn't matter and would prefer the larger screen.
I actually did go for the 11 inch because of the size
Looking to get my wife a new ipad. Randomly found this channel recommended for information on apple products. About 15 secs into the video I said to my self... this has really good LTT level production and quality with good editing. Then I started to recognize a lotta LTT set pieces.... should of figured. Keep up the good work!
I love my 16GB iPad Pro it’s the perfect RUclips device ☺️
This channel has character. I'm loving what Jonathan is doing here
Definitely an ‘A’ tier video. Absolutely perfect as I too have a (Apple refurbished) 2018 iPad Prom 11” and was thinking of updating but having seen this vid and the usage scenario then I’ll be keeping it. It was actually the best tech purchase that I ever made with this now being my only device (having replaced my MacBook).
Great vid and Nicole’s input was great. Many thanks 🙏. Subbed 👍👏🏻
I have one of the 2nd gen 11 inch iPad Pros, 2 years on with frequent use and I have no complaints. Battery use is still great, none of the features feel dated or old, all of the programs still run fast and smooth. It’s fantastic. Worth the initial spend
As usual, Andy and Jon, you two kill it.
Part of the emerging group. I have two. Mini 6 and the M1 12.9. The former for note taking and daily business related functions. The latter for content consumption when I want to give my 13 PM a rest (Or my eyes). I only unsheathe my MBP for Final Cut stuff.
Neither are good at everything, but both are very good at something.
omg just what i need! i have the 2018 ipad pro and i use it everyday professionally as a digital illustrator. Thinking about upgrading it but after i watch this video idt its worth the upgrade. I'm just going to wait for the next ipad pro. Great video!!
Weird, with 60 Hz I would have never thought anyone would want the iPad Air going from iPad Pro 2017-2018.
I'm not sure how intentional it is, but it is nonetheless refreshing to watch a guy who is just like one of us, a non-expert but knowledgeable, regular fan of all things Apple, looking at and comparing devices. It's really fun to watch. A reviewer doesn't need to take himself too seriously to be interesting, and this channel is certainly interesting.
I mean, if I'm spending $1500 on an iPad Pro, at that point I'd be better off just spending $500 more on a 14 inch Macbook Pro instead. (which I did, and I love it to death. I hardly touch iPads anymore with how good this thing is.)
Man, I really hope we get major overhauls to iPadOS, or sideloading, or both, then I'd have an excuse to use this thing.
How would side loading make your purchase more justified?
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 after Your bankruptcy because of these price tag you can't spend extra money for software like movies or programs so piracy is the only option so side load is very important
@@nshinata9244 ohhh, so you want Apple to allow side loading so you can *steal* the hard work of a developer? Sounds about right.
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 developers become greedy especially with (subscriptions plans) like its not one buy time only like microsoft office so you can't own one thing even after spending money
So yeah my cracked version will be paid from one rich guy with his monthly/yearly subscription or company that their employees work with this program not immoral if u ask me until they make (normal ppl subscription or one buy time )
@@arandomhumanbeing2464 When I paid over $1000 for the device, I deserve full control over that device, especially when it has the guts of a Mac, but does less than a Mac and is more expensive than a Mac. A lot of big tech critics and hardcore Apple users are begging for the M1 iPads to gain the ability to dualboot macOS because of this.
So unless iPadOS gets sideloading soon, I don't see myself ever getting these expensive ass iPads. It's like what Jonathan said: Cheap iPad is best iPad.
Also unrelated side tangent: Why the hell is the vanilla iPad the only iPad with a headphone jack?! The other iPads aren't water resistant or very thin so why the hell do they not have headphone jacks especially with how much Apple's been advertising it as a laptop replacement, yet the much cheaper M1 Macbook Airs have headphone jacks and are thinner than the iPads!
What a great idea, my 2020 iPad hasn’t skipped a beat yet
4:05 we all know reddit's video player is broken
I upgraded to the ipad air 5 from air2 which was over 7 years old at this point!! The performance is mind blowing!!
I wish I could see actually which iPad model is in which tier (especially older ones). Because I don't know which processor is in my iPad, and I think it is fun to compare. I had to google which one it was.
I love the iPad Pro 2021. Got the 11” 512 gb…I do design work and music production mainly and occasionally consume content and play games. It is so far near perfect for my needs. I only dreamt of this a decade ago. Now, that dream is literally within the grasp of my hands. I have no complaints…sure it can be and should always push to improve…but that’s with anything in life. Love the iPad Pro with the M1 now…Thank you Steve Jobs!
Face id is much worse than touch id.
I think this is a great example of the uniqueness of this channel. Great job team!
I have an iPad Air 4 that is really used like a laptop me and what I do on a daily. I definitely don’t plan on upgrading but this was such a well done video.
The 2018 iPad Pro is just such a nice device. I still use it and I’m really happy with it. Even now, the battery seems to do a pretty good job. After over 3 years I can’t complain and it’s still fast.
Watching on my iPad Air from back in middle school.
Still great 8 years later!
I’m using an E-tier iPad, and I don’t plan to upgrade. In fact, I don’t think I’ll ever upgrade. An iPad simply cannot replace a MacBook for me, and now that I have an iPhone with more than 16GB of storage, I can install all the apps I need on it without having to resort to using my iPad.
The one thing my iPad can do that my MacBook can’t is playing RUclips videos without deafening fan noise, but when I upgrade to a new MacBook, that won’t be a problem anymore.
around 6:50 the ipad mini 4 is mistakenly grouped with the ipads that dont support the latest iOS release anymore- but it is! the mini 4 is fully up to date despite its A8 processor
I have a 10.5inch 2nd gen iPad pro (2017), and even now I still don’t have a need to upgrade it, and I use mine everyday. Its still really good and gets the job done
Thank you SO MUCH. People always say "well the price difference between the ipad air and the 11 inch ipad pro isn't a lot" like dude, a higher refresh rate and irrelevant extra things aren't worth 200 bucks! Maybe to someone in the us, but for me, I live in latin america, that is a loooooot of money! The iPad air looks more future proof than the ipad 2018 was, it performs better, and it's still cheaper! This tier perfectly illustrates that. Thanks! Also, beautiful cinematography!
I still have an original Ipad, jailbroke it years ago and battery is still phenomonal compared to other devices of today. I mainly use it as a remote for Cubase but the kids still read books and play games on it.
I had recently got an a13 iPad and as a started to watch more videos about iPads I kept seeing the iPad Pros and M1 chips mentioned which made me a bit regretful about buying this one but watching this videos made me feel a lot safer that i bought this one
even though i'm not really an apple product user and thus not really a target demographic of these videos i really enjoy these for their writing and presentation style. aside from informational ofc. excellent addition to an already great LTT family
This video was perfect for me, being someone who is looking at buying an Ipad for the first time. I appreciate the detail in which these devices have been explained, and I also compliment you guys on the elegant style of the video as well. Thanks =).
I have a 2018 iPad Pro and have NEVER been compelled to "upgrade". If I bought a new iPad, I don't think I would notice any sort of difference from what I have now. I could change sizes, but I feel the 11in form factor is absolutely perfect. It uses the latest apple pencil, since they haven't launched another version since gen 2.
They limit what the iPad is capable of through their OS. So unless I start to export large files, or edit videos, there's nothing that the new iPads offer that I need.
I have a 2019 ipad air because it always seems like I buy mine right before apple releases a new one. this video was helpful. now i know which options i have to upgrade too. thank you for the list
My 2018 iPad Pro 11 inch is still working just as good as the day i got it. Now I also have the 256 gb and its not completely filled to capacity either. But I’m still loving it. I take it everywhere I go.
2017 10.5" Pro (A10X Fusion, "tier D") user here and this video convinced me to that I do NOT want to upgrade, because it wouldn't actually BE an upgrade. I write and draw on my iPad, and having the line lagging behind my pencil with the downgrade to the refresh rate would drive me freaking INSANE.
this needs to be revisited in 2024 with the release of the new M4 iPad Pro
I picked up an M1 iPad Pro last year and it’ll probably serve me well for several years. ProMotion 120hz display, 8 gb ram, 2nd gen stylus support, quad speakers, face id, thunderbolt compatible, magic keyboard compatible, stage manager compatible and a few other things I’m sure I’m forgetting. And I bought it new for less than the retail price of the 5th gen iPad Air. No brainer.
I just switched from the original 9.7 iPad Pro to the M1 11” iPad Pro. Despite having a cracked screen, the 9.7 was still performing very decently. I could take notes, browse, watch some movies, etc.
I decided to upgrade after switching from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 13 Pro Max where my eyes just couldn’t ignore how dated my 9.7 was. Bit the bullet and got the 11” M1 pro because I do use my iPad as my main work device. Also, my 9.7 has been going strong for the past 6 years and is now being used by my dad and he hasn’t had issues.
I’m currently using the iPad 9th gen and it does everything I need it to do as a student. I don’t even miss the promotion display from my previous 10.5” iPad Pro
I have a 2020 iPad Pro and I was fiening to get the newer one. This video helped me save 500 bucks, THANK YOU!
One of the best videos of any channel ever. I dont get why not everyone ist talking about this
I haven't seen tech videos in years. But your channel has such innovative ideas I love it keep it up
I legit thought this was an independent channel. I saw the CPU pillow and thought "ohey, I recognize that. Then the walls of the lounge and "wait.." and finally the linus meme face box on the shelf and that's when it clicked.
The tone of these videos are so different from other LMG videos, and super clean and polished, and that's really cool!
I have the iPad mini 6th gen (2021) and I use it a lot for more personal stuff but also as my main note taking device for work and sometimes even as a second screen for my MacBook. I recommend it if you are not a power user like a designer.
Still on a 2017 5th gen. Its a video consumption device so it works well for that purpose. I live at my desk for any other compute needs.
My only previous iPad was an original launch date iPad mini. Still works, just many apps don’t want to anymore due to its age, 9 1/2 years it’s lasted!!!!
My work have given me a pretty heavy laptop that I have to take on the road with me, so going to pick myself up a 5th Gen Air in the next few weeks to do work on the road and for personal use
I wholeheartedly agree with this list, I have a 2018 iPad Pro and I have very rarely actually needed *more* performance, and I 3d sculpt on it and I can get like 10 million polygons with it still working very well, and when I need any more power I just go to my desktop.
Don’t forget you also get 2 extra speakers included for the extra $150 difference between the air and the pro.
Bought a refurbished 2018 iPad Pro from Apple last year… still love it till this day. I don’t see myself upgrading for a while
Currently I'm using the iPad pro 10.5. For dairy use, it works pretty well not to mention I play some video games on it like PUBG Mobile and COD. Besides, for the battery and the speaker are still not disappointed me. I still enjoy using it after seeing a bunch of new generation of iPads.
I’ve been using my E-Tiered 2015 iPad Pro 12.9” since launch and can say it still functions great as my primarily tablet. For my use (textbooks, basic note taking for school, and lots of content consumption) it still is totally viable and doesn’t feel too hampered in comparison to my much more modern i9 MacBook Pro or 14PM. The display looks fantastic speakers sound great and the battery is still around 89% capacity. My main complaint is the lack of VP9 codec as you’re no longer able to view videos higher than 1080p on RUclips. The 4GB of ram in the pro is what has really made the device usable all these years later. I don’t plan on upgrading until I lose support, likely on iOS 17.
I’m still running the iPad Pro 10.5 without any problems. Even the battery is still performing really well considering that I use it every day for 4-5 hours.
As for me, I wanted to have a companion for my 2012 MacBook pro. I purchased the iPad 7th Generation and surprisingly I found myself using the iPad on its own instead of a companion for my macbook. Since I don't need the extra power of the Air nor the flagship qualities of the pro, I am planning on upgrading to the iPad 9th gen for more storage mainly. Heck I even used it as my linux "box" with iSH as well! So many cool and unique ways of using a device like this! I also wanted to mention that your videos rock!
iPad Pro 2018 user here also ✋. Can’t believe we still exists and been riding it out near to 4 years. Will only upgrade if there really is a significant change in the frontal design.
Sure wish you would re-do this, but make it a specific tier list to iPad Pros. When should you upgrade from a 10.5, and should you go to the M1, M2 or M4?
It is funny to hear a comment in this video about users having more than one iPad to handle work on their mobile devices. I thought I was outside the norm when I got my 11" iPad Pro M1 for work, but I also kept my first gen 9.7" iPad Pro to keep my inbox for work in an always on/always visible state while I am working on my PC and my new iPad for my regular work. I guess I am not alone in seeing an advantage to having a pair of these devices at the ready for my day to day work.
Lol going from an original iPad Air from 2013 to an a14 iPad Air is such a big difference. I love it!
I recently got a 5G-connected iPad Air because I like to do a lot of travel photography and pulling out my MacBook Pro to edit 1-2 images is kind of a pain (big edits are done on my gaming rig).
Definitely not disappointed. The ProMotion display in the iPad Pro would've been nice, but I couldn't justify the price with me not really needing it.
Honestly if her iPad Pro is slowing down, it’s more likely a battery issue than a RAM issue. If the battery health is below 80%, the Apple device will absolutely throttle performance. I have both the 2018 11” iPad Pro that she has and the current 2021 12.9” iPad Pro. I was surprised how fast her iPad deteriorated in performance after opening just 3 apps. For about 95% of use cases, there isn’t really that much of a difference in performance between my tablets. I switch between photo editing, drawing, web browsing and even work related tasks often and don’t see any slowdown in my 2018 iPad.
This channel is so charming. Keep up the great work LMG!
this video is so helpful. helped me decide to upgrade my 3rd gen ipad air to the 10th gen ipad.
This is a must watch video for anyone shopping for an iPad. Thank you so much for doing this.
My 8th generation iPad still does everything I want it to do, so I won't be upgrading. I was afraid 32 GB storage wouldn't be enough, but over a year later and I'm still using less than half. Most importantly, it was cheap. I got it as a compact laptop replacement for travel that can do email, web browsing, office apps, and content streaming, that I wouldn't cry over if it was damaged, lost, or stolen. It fits the bill perfectly.
I think as a good option for me for an entry level iPad is a 256GB First Gen iPad Pro 11 inch from 2018. It seems amazing with the Pro Motion display and it is probably my best bet.