Band Of Brothers - Episode 10 - Points - REACTION
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"I served in the company of heroes" kills me. Every. Single. Time.
Him choking up when he says it tears me up as well 🥲
Watched this show about 8 times so far and it wrecks me every time.
There is one more episode to the Band of Brothers-- the documentary that they made at the same time as the series, "We Stand Alone Together". It is where all the interviews with the actual men came from. It is excellent really ties everything together for the series and has actual footage from the war and the pictures of the guys in Europe and training, etc. It is available on RUclips and last one hour.
Actually, there are 3 more 'episodes',
1.Ron Livingston's video of the boot camp that the main cast went through,
2. We Stand Alone Together, and
3. The documentary "He Has Seen War" which features interviews with the veterans portrayed in BoB and The Pacific, as well as their families, talking about their return to civilian life. This one needs to be postponed until after watching The Pacific
Here's how it went with the points.
Points were awarded according to the following formula:
1. You got one point for each month in service in the Army
2. One additional point for each month in service overseas
3. Five points for each campaign.
4. Five points for a medal for merit or valor (a Silver Star for example)
5. Five points for a purple heart (awarded to all soldiers who were wounded in action)
6. Finally, twelve points for each dependent child up to three dependent children
And if you had 85 points, you got to go home.
To add to this, here's the list of the "Campaigns" that earned them 5pts a piece.
Egypt-Libya 11 June 1942 - 13 February 1943
Air Offensive, Europe 4 July 1942 - 5 June 1944
Algeria-French Morocco 8 - 11 November 1942
Tunisia 17 November 1942 - 13 May 1943
Sicily 9 July - 17 August 1943
Naples-Foggia 9 September 1943 - 21 January 1944
Anzio 22 January - 24 May 1944
Rome-Arno 22 January - 9 September 1944
Normandy 6 June - 24 July 1944
Northern France 25 July - 14 September 1944
Southern France 15 August - 14 September 1944
North Apennines 10 September 1944 - 4 April 1945
Rhineland 15 September 1944 - 21 March 1945
Ardennes-Alsace 16 December 1944 - 25 January 1945
Central Europe 22 March - 11 May 1945
Po Valley 5 April - 8 May 1945
Wow, it would be tough Fer any single guy to have 85 points by May of 45. Even if you had a purple heart, one medal of Merit/Valor, and 3 years in. That's 82.
For those who are curious, the process was known as the Adjusted Service Rating Score. Non-combat forces such as nurses didn't have to get all the way to 85. Ironically, the score became a huge problem by the end of the war, as many seasoned veterans and NCOs were being dismissed. It's worth noting that any units deemed "occupation forces" were graded slightly differently and there was a redesign of the scoring system after the war in December 1945 to govern who had to remain in West Germany.
Thank you clearing that up.
I feel like the medals and purple heart should have been weighted with higher points otherwise it's a real struggle
@@RamblersInc I agree.
Thanks for the journey guys. I've posted this before on other sites. I am a flight attendant and I had the privilege of having Shifty Powers and his wife on my flight a few years after the series premiered. I completely "fan-girled " over him. I'm sure I embarrassed him. He was so humble. Truly the Greatest Generation. ❤❤
That's really interesting! How did they react?
@AMacLeod426 They both were so soft-spoken. Almost shy. Very sweet. They seemed to have portrayed him perfectly in the series.
I'm jealous. To meet someone so positively influential.
I would have fan girled too and I’m not even a girl.
I was an Army cadet back in the early 80s and our training cadre where all veterans of Vietnam and the officers either served in Korea and WW 2 or just Korea.
All of them were amazing leaders.
The WW2 vets were by far more interesting to a young person.
I took every chance to ask questions of them.
Growing up in the mid 60s though I was surrounded by family members all that served in the war including one that served with general Patton from the time he took over 3rd Army until the end of the war.
That family member was there and with the troops that broke through the lines to relive Bastogne.
I have watched this last episode so many times that I can't count them.
Every time I have tears running down my face at the end.
Thank you for watching this and for doing your best to understand what so many Americans and British troops did for a broken world.
It's a shame their sacrifice is so often forgotten today.
I hope it's never forgotten. As long as we teach each generation the evil that was present and the sacrifice that was made to destroy it, I hope we're always revering them.
In "Band of Brothers" and the broader context of World War II, "points" refer to the system that was used by the U.S. military to determine eligibility for service members to be sent home, also known as the Advanced Service Rating Score. This system was put in place near the end of the war to help manage the process of demobilizing millions of military personnel.
Under this system, service members were awarded points for various aspects of their service. Here's a general outline of how it worked:
- 1 point for each month of military service.
- 1 point for each month of overseas service.
- 5 points for each military decoration (like a Medal of Honor, Silver Star, Bronze Star, etc.).
- 5 points for each campaign star or battle participation credit on a theater ribbon.
- 12 points for each dependent child under 18, up to a maximum of three children.
The total number of points needed to be eligible for discharge differed depending on the time and circumstance, but in general, around 85 points was a common threshold for soldiers in the European theater.
This system provided an organized way for the military to start sending people home once the war in Europe ended, starting with those who had been in service the longest, had seen the most combat, or had dependents. The goal was to reward those who had contributed the most or had the most pressing need to return home, while retaining others to occupy Germany, transfer to the Pacific for the war against Japan, or maintain the vast military apparatus that had been built up during the war.
Please note that the specifics could vary, and the point system was not without its controversies and issues. Some soldiers were frustrated by the pace of demobilization or disagreed with how points were awarded. Nonetheless, it was a significant part of the military experience for many service members at the end of World War II.
Well said; I would just add that the list of decorations included the Purple Heart, so each wound received counted towards home.
While the system did produce outliers like Shifty, probably the best thing you can say about it is that it was devised in the spirit of being fair and evenhanded to the soldiers.
@@cenotemirror gotta love chatGPT
Thanks for the info 👍
I can see why some of them were frustrated. Then again I understand why those with children had a higher priority too.
Actually there is 1 more episode, it is called "The men of Easy company" they surviving members when this was filmed were all interviewed, and is well worth the watch.
The US National World War Two Museum describes the points system under the following criteria.
Points were awarded according to the following formula:
- One point for each month in service in the Army
- One additional point for each month in service overseas
- Five points for each campaign
- Five points for a medal for merit or valor (Silver Star for example)
- Five points for a purple heart (awarded to all soldiers who were wounded in action)
- Twelve points for each dependent child up to three dependent children
While I was in Europe doing field work on my PhD (History) I took the opportunity to visit the Eagle's Nest. It is now a museum with an attached cafe. The food was pretty good, the view was even better than they captured in the video, and the museum is heartbreaking because they absolutely do not pull any punches when it comes to portraying just how horrific and terrible the Nazi's atrocities were.
The chalet at the end was the appropriately named Grand Hotel Zell am See (which is a four-star hotel and casino), in Zell am See Austria, on the shore of Lake Zell It is still in operation today.
It must have been a beautiful yet slightly sad experience.
@@RamblersInc I think surreal was the best word to use to describe it,.
I came away from the museum in tears. One of the servers at the small cafe there saw me crying and actually sat down next to me at my table and said, "Don''t feel bad, you'd be surprised how often it happens. Even some of us who work here still cry."
We heap praise on these men because what they did was beyond brave. We must never forget the sacrifice that they, and their families endured as well as what that sacrifice did for you and I. Thank you gentlemen for your insightful reactions, and respectful commentary. I'm pleased to have made it through another set of reactions to this beloved series but moreover, two of the best reactors I've seen, by far. "Currahee!" signed a vet.
Honestly, I still can't comprehend the level of bravery of these men. For that matter, also anyone who has served and is serving. I hope no one takes it for granted.
From an artistic standpoint, I love how the series is built in a way that it is a study of good vs bad leadership in a military situation. The play Henry V (by Shakespeare) was designed to highlight how King Henry was an ideal leader. One scene in particular depicts Henry, the night before a battle going incognito from fire to fire, talking to his men and boosting up their morale. He is challenged by one soldier and justifies the war and discusses how he deals with his conscience in sending them to their deaths... And of course there is the Saint Crispin's day speach that Lipton quotes in the show closure. 'For he who sheds his blood with men today, shall forever be my brother...'
The only reason Speirs didn't kill the man in real life is because he later told Winters that there was a shadow of a doubt that this was the wrong man and didn't want to execute an innocent soldier
Apparently Speirs actually hit that murderer replacement in the face with the butt of a rifle and shouted “I’ve killed better men than you!”
Hmm. I wonder if it would've been better if they put it in the show. Sounds like an epic line to be fair.
@@RamblersIncI agree.
First time Spiers jumped... first time he's having hope again, if you remember what he said to Blithe. "You hid in that hole because you still had hope." and then going on about how all of them are dead already anyway and to just be soldiering like machines.
Went from an ice cold killer to someone you looked up to throughout the show. Another legend.
Easy Company is the most ironic and heroic name in military history. There was nothing easy about it. From D-Day all the way to Hitler's Eagle's Nest...here come's the greatest reveal in film history. Currahee! ♠
7:41-7:43, the guy who grabs that book until he's told "No, no", I always assumed he was trying to ditch the guest registry to protect SS identities.
You were correct. What's weird is that, as it's portrayed, the hotel employees hadn't ditched the place and left town. Of course they stretched the truth there. 7th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division was the force that overtook and received the surrender of Berchtesgaden, not E Company, 2nd Bat. 506th, by any stretch. But that would have been the case for the first troops coming in, and the hotel personnel.
I can answer the question about the Chateau the Germans surrendered in. It was actually filmed in a hotel in Switzerland near the town of Brienz called Grandhotel Giessbach. It was also used as the house in The Sound of Music.
Thank You. Ahhh that's why it looked a little familiar.
wow, i'm a bob junkie and didn't know that tidbit..thanks.
This hits me personally.
I first saw this in 2001. I was working my SHO rotations in A&E and Paediatrics. And amongst the blood, shite, failed resuscitations, abusive alcoholics at 3am and dodging their vomitus I worked- no served - with the best brothers and sisters who taught me so much.
BoB is about camaraderie
The Pacific (which I’ve not watched in its entirety) is about a loss of innocence
You guys and those in your industry are no less than heroes yourselves.
If only those in power realised that as well.
Thanks for the heads up.
The respect and honor these guys have earned is basically forever -- as long as their testimonies are still heard, and I dare to say that each one of them has earned the right to have their names revealed, with no edits, at the end.
i hope you guys will go one further and take a peak at "we stand alone together". Enjoyed the ride with you guys...thanks! BT3 USN 86-92
We will. Thanks for joining us on this ride.
The name reveal at the end. For those of us who saw this with no foreknowledge, we thought we were watching characterizations. And several veterans, in general, talking about their experiences. But no. This is them. As grandpa said, "a company of heroes.".
Comparing The Pacific (which we've also reacted to), the brotherhood they developed here was so important to making it through.
Have enjoyed watching your reactions to this amazing series.
As noted, the points were based on several different factors, it was a really hot or miss system for a lot of troops.
Oops- the German general talking to his troops is the same guy we saw in the picture as dead in the previous episode.
Just for fun, look up Lewis Nixon VE day. A picture will show you why Ron Livingston was cast in the role.....
BTW, Lewis Nixon's family was quite wealthy, his Grandfather was a major shipbuilder from 1890 - WW1, also owned several munitions factory's and chemical firms.
Personal note, about 5 yrs after this, I was at a US army school nearby Hershey, Pennsylvania. I was leaving a store, when in walked Richard Winters. Didn't want to intrude upon him, but being as I was in uniform, I did the only right thing in my mind- I saluted him and wished him a good afternoon
Did he salute back? Hope he didn't pull a Sobel.
@@catherinelw9365 Yes he did
I'm jealous you got to meet him. Legend.
Most of this episode was filmed around Brienzersee in Switzerland. The Hotel is Grand Hotel Giessbach across the lake from Brienz
It looked beautiful.
Great reactions! Thank you for sharing your reactions with us!
Thank you for joining us on the journey 🙂
New subscriber- your ability to connect with the story and the characters is exceptional!
Thank you so much
great series, guys. thanks for having us along. i'll see you over in the expanse!
🙌 See you there.
No no. Thanks for joining us 👍
To me their verbal skills were AMAZING. I think at least a 1/3rd to 1/2 of them were actually british actors and they portrayed the regional accents absolutely BEAUTIFULLY. I'd imagine how difficult it would be for a british man to do a Virginian accent or a southern accent which have subtle differences that tbh fooled me they were british. So bravo to the actual actors that pulled off their ability to do it with a 40s era vocabulary. So brilliant is this show. As an american, we so very rarely get to see good american actors pull off those kinds of verbal skills for british dialect or regional differences.
I forgot to mention that those who didn’t have enough points became part of an occupation force, along with new recruits arriving. One of the Allies’ postwar goals was the occupation of the defeated nations to prevent another war. Most policymakers correctly believed that WWII was unfinished business from WWI and had the victors of WWI occupied the vanquished, WWII would not have happened.
Winters accepted the surrender of dozens of German officers. Some people will say that scene where he returned the pistol to the Colonel was inaccurate because he kept the pistol. Except Winters stated he took the pistol from a Major. Different events.
We made that same mistake when reacting to the documentary. We didn't take the ranks into account.
Thanks for clearing it up 🙂
I really enjoyed re-visiting this series with you two. You did a great job!
Thank You.
Easy to miss : look at the crowd scene in the town in the episode 'replacements ' - Babe Heffron is waving a flag. Another person to mention is sobel. He tried to commit suicide in 1970 with a gun and went blind. He died of malnourishment in veteran assisted living in 1987. Afaik nobody attended his funeral from Easy. His son maintained he was depicted as far too petty in the show, based off Stephen Ambrose 's book.
Damn. That's messed up. He deserved better.
@@RamblersInc Yeah, he retired a Lt Colonel after Korea, and I was incorrect - there were no memorial services held for him. Poor bugger. As the show is done off one guy's book and some interviews with the survivors, it isn't entirely complete / accurate but is, mostly. Lt Dike, for example? He's shown as incompetent, but he actually received multiple bronze stars for valour - one for organising a defense of a critical road at Eindhoven, and one for rescuing men under fire - funnily enough, in the days before the assault on foy in bastogne. One of the men - Clancy Lyall - claims that Dike really fell apart because he was shot.
Really good reaction. I live in Hessen on the border with Bavaria. My family and I have been to Zell am See, the Eagle's Nest (accessible only by tour bus) and many places in Tirol Austria. Bavaria and Austria are Absolutely beautiful places to visit. I highly recommend it.
It looked so picturesque.
Hessen looks beautiful too.
Great channel, guys. Cheers from Philly
The drunken soldier reaped the whirlwind after the war.
He was convicted of his in-theatre crime, for which he received a dishonorable discharge and a sentence in a military prison.
If memory serves, he became a petty criminal and died at a young age soon afterward.
Herbert Sobel's story was perhaps even more tragic. He got a civilian job (interrupted by service in the Korean War), got married, and had a family.
But, he was never able to cope with life. He became more abusive, got divorced, and was estranged from his children.
In 1970, he attempted suicide by gunshot. He flinched when he pulled the trigger, leaving himself alive but permanently disabled.
Sobel spent 17 years in a Veterans Hospital, effectively a ward of the state. When he finally died, the officiating military rabbi reported that his funeral was not attended by a single mourner.
As despicable as Sobel was portrayed (I'm given to understand that BoB was true to his actual character), I can't help but feel enormous pity for him. Everyone is hurting from something.
Some people should not be put in places of power. Sobel probably would have had a better experience had he been just a normal soldier instead of in leadership, even if he survived and what he dealt with later. It may have led to him having a brotherhood to lean back into.
unsolicited reading recommendation:
"D-Day, June 6, 1944: The Battle for the Normandy Beaches"
by Stephen E. Ambrose (Band of Brothers author)
excellent account of the first 24 hours, air, sea and land.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Excellent review guys. In my opinion BoB is the best tv series ever made. I have watched the series mutliple times and watched many reactors you guys did a very good job. There are many layers to the show that you only pick up on a rewatch. LIke others have already said i hope that you watch and review the documentary We Stand Alone Together, that was done along side the series. IT where the interviews come from, you see many more interviews and it gives a lot more context to events in the show.
As far as the Pacific goes, it is very good as well. It is harder to watch that BoB because the series like the war in the Pacific it is much more BRUTUAL than the war in Europe in every way. It is well worth watching just be prepared.
I think many americans watch this almost yearly, I have the whole set on dvd but I think they also play it yearly around christmas time too on history channel?
A lot of the inmates were cancer patients who didn't even live to see the show, but they wanted to be a part of it.
That was episode 9.
Greatest mini series of all time! 🫡🇺🇸
After the war's end there is the occupation, where some order and security must be restored to the country and the winner is responsible to provide it. Patton took heat for putting some former Nazis in charge of keeping things running, because he said they knew how it all worked.
Another bit of history about Speirs besides the supposed incident of killing the POW's is he shot and killed one of his Sergeants in self-defense. While a platoon leader in Dog Company, as chronicled in the book “Beyond Band of Brothers," during a battle the Sergeant was drunk and defied an order to hold position and further refused to obey. Speirs told the man that he was too drunk to perform his duties and that he should remove himself to the rear. The Sergeant again refused and began to reach for his rifle. Speirs again warned the Sergeant, who now leveled his rifle at the Lieutenant. The entire platoon saw him shoot the Sergeant in self-defense, then he immediately reported the incident to his commanding officer who went to the scene and, after receiving all the information, deemed it justifiable self-defense.
The Jeeps were notorious for turning over, especially the WWII era models. Short-wheelbase, quick steering, relatively high bodied to be very mobile but also they had a serious defect of pulling left during hard braking. In WWII they were new (1941 Willys MB) and so people found that out by getting injured or killed in them. This incident, when the barrel fell off the truck into the Jeeps path, the driver whipped the steering wheel then also braked hard so he over-steered to the left and rolled it in the ditch. That probably happened quite a few times during the war.
as an American i love this show and the men it depicts. that said i would like to see a show that depicts the Brits in in their fight as well. they were superb soldiers and would like to see their story told as well. maybe it's too late in time for this, but would be the right thing to do
Good point.
The only "popular" World War shows depicting Brits have been comedies. At least to my knowledge. Apart from one last year showing the creation of the SAS in WWII.
_as an American i love this show and the men it depicts._
Portions of Band of Brothers are fictional and were done for dramatic purposes.
1 point for each month in theater. More for medals, wounds, having families etc.
great reaction guys thanks
One of the best series ever. I served for 24 years and the comraderie is very relateble, especially when you are done wearing the uniform. We go back to being regular people (or so we think 😀 ). The friendships we forge last the remainder of our lives. If you get a chance I recommend reviewing the movie "Glory", another movie that gives a good perspective concerning soldiers.
I can imagine why they last a lifetime. You put your life in the hands of others (and vice versa).
Thank you. We'll add it to the list 👍
The guy who was being carried and was so emaciated was not a person. They producers hired model makers to create some of the human figures and they were interspersed with actual people. And the camp inmates were mostly people who were ill, undergoing chemotherapy or had cancer and other diseases which is why they looked so thin and fragile.
I read someone else's comment that the guy holding him was speaking Czech maybe, and he was saying something along the lines of "Please Help, he's not dead yet."
LM Reactions, two young women from Serbia, said it was their language. A comment on their reaction to episode 9 said the translation is "People save him, please save him. He's still alive, you can still save him. Please, please.
They did an excellent job with Band of Brothers, very emotional reactions, long discussions, and lots of tears.
@@hollishamilton3943 that was probably it. They did a great job.
This happened in episode 9 and like the rest of the liberation and associated scenes (except the civilians burying the dead) was completely fictional.
The point system was the American system of determining when a solder has served his wartime duty. Points were received for time spent enlisted, wounds, medals received and a few other criteria (time and medals were the primary way to earn points). At that time 85 points was the minimum to be taken off of the front lines although in some cases demand was so high for veteran combat troops many solders earned more before they were cycled back to rear area duty. Often soldiers who had served lengthy periods without being awarded any medals still did not qualify for the point minimum while solders who had served less time but received more medals, particularly Purple Hearts, did.
At 7:08, it mentions a flanking maneuver on the French to get to the Eagle’s Nest. There were other flanking maneuvers done to “ allies” at this time.
Operation Eclipse, to capture the town of Wismar, in Northern Germany was one carried out by Canadian/ English paratroopers.
Wismar was given at Yalta to the Russians. However, Swedish intelligence intercepted Russian messages that the Russians were trying to capture Denmark, in order to get a better port on the Baltic Sea.
Eight hundred lightly armed paratroopers weaved a route through German occupied territory to seize the town. They took it and stopped 2 Battions of Russian T 34 tanks and about 3000 men from entering Wismar, essential for getting to Denmark. The Russians were stalled there for 2 days, giving the Western Allied forces time so they could occupy Denmark.
The world map would look a lot different if Operation Eclipse hadn’t taken place and been successful. If the Russians had not stopped, and attacked the Western Allies, WW2 may have continued. This happened in early May of ‘45, a time when the Atomic bomb had yet to be proven and dropped.
Edit: incorrect Sea (made correction!)
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Amazing. A lot hinged on that Operation.
_it mentions a flanking maneuver on the French to get to the Eagle’s Nest._
Contrary to what is shown in Band of Brothers, the French did in fact beat Easy Company to the Eagle's Nest.
*From the National WW2 Museum:*
The 7th Infantry Regiment of the US 3rd Infantry Division got there first at about 1600 on the afternoon of May 4. They took Berchtesgaden without firing a shot. While the 7th Regiment fanned out through town, a platoon advanced up the mountain to Obersalzberg. When they arrived at the Berghof, Hitler’s home, they discovered the entire area was heavily damaged by a bombing raid conducted by the RAF on April 25.
...
The French 2nd Armored Division arrived a little later that afternoon. Early the next morning, the French made the trek all the way up to the Eagle’s Nest, which was untouched by Allied bombing, and made the most fantastic discovery of all: a wine cellar that contained an estimated half million bottles of the finest wine, champagne, and cognac imaginable. Amongst the cache were thousands of bottles of Chateau Lafite Rothschild, one of the most expensive wines in the world. In 2020, buying a bottle of late vintage Chateau Lafite Rothschild would set you back about $1000.
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Last to arrive to the party was the 101st Airborne; they arrived in Berchtesgaden on the morning of May 5. They may have been last, but they were there to stay the longest. The 2nd Battalion, 506th PIR was the lead element of the 101st to arrive, and the officers and men began by securing the finest billets in town. Col. Sink, commander of the 506th, met with the commanding officer of the 7th Infantry Regiment, 3rd ID, and informed him that the 101st was relieving them. SHAEF ordered the 3rd ID men in Berchtesgaden back to their area of operations in Salzburg, Austria.
I'd watch The Pacific soon, because this year Tom Hanks and Spielberg are releasing their 3rd installment titled "Masters of the Air". Which is about an Air Force bomber squadron in WWII.
Can’t wait. I’m waiting for a release date and a trailer for Masters of the Air. Regardless, we are definitely reacting to that.
Saw an Army jeep completely flip over like that (didn't keep rolling, just flipped and stayed upside down). My NCO and I immediately said, before advancing towards it, "they're dead". No, neither the driver nor the passenger was seriously hurt. Don't know if it was a miracle or physics, but it was amazing.
Yeh that's some crazy luck lol
PACIFIC
Coming right up
I'm happy that you're going to watch the Pacific when you feel up to it (after a season of Ted Lasso maybe?), it's much more representative of the experience that most soldiers had during the war. Soldiers were interchangeable, and the war lasted much, much longer than the one in Europe. Plus, it was a preview of the future US wars in Korea and Vietnam.
We never really fought a war like the one in Europe ever again. My grandfather fought in Korea and always felt closest to those soldiers in the Pacific campaign. The civilian casualties, brutality on both sides, and moral ambiguity (by which I mean Japanese internment camps, as well as the decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki which is still debated today) inherent in the campaign itself are much more prevalent in every subsequent US military campaign.
Likewise studies have shown that the rate of PTSD in soldiers in the Pacific was higher than their counterparts in Europe. The experience of Marines during the island hopping campaigns actually laid the groundwork for changes in training of soldiers to account for trauma in combat.
You guys have gained a subscriber in me with your fantastic reaction to this legendary series! It has been amazing getting to know you guys through this reaction and I can't wait to see what else you react to in the future.
Oh we're diving straight into it next week (upon popular request we're thinking of reacting to the Band of Brothers Doc so maybe the week after).
Let's hope we never have a war like this on this scale ever again.
We're glad to have you with us 👍
@@RamblersInc The Pacific action scenes are well done, but the story is not as good as BoB. It is horrific actually, and it took me a long time to watch all of it. It goes from bad to worse, when you think it couldn’t get any worse. Make sure you watch the more recent edition with the start of each episode setup by Tom Hanks and Pacific veterans, with maps.
Nicely done fellas
It's an absolutely brilliant series, worthy of being watched in history courses. Spielberg and Hanks deserve a lot of credit for these shows like this and the Pacific. I can't wait to watch Masters of the Air and I would also highly recommend Greyhound.
We'll hopefully get to Masters of the Air. I hope Apple do just as well as HBO did with BoB and The Pacific. Thanks for the recommendation. We'll add it to the list.
@@RamblersInc They did a great job on Greyhound. It's a bit technical but excellent. I have not seen any reaction vids for that one as yet.
Great reactions gentlemen.
Thank you
That building in Berchtesgaden wasn’t Headquarters. It was a hotel. That’s why the waiter was working in its restaurant.
The German they shot: Liebgott said he was Commandant of a camp.
After the investigation which clear Spears for pistol whipping the shooter, Col. Sink told him he should have shot the soldier and avoided the court martial which would ensue. And he wasn’t kidding.
Yes, they didn’t have to go the invade Japan courtesy of 2 A-bombs.
Of course Lipton’s quote was beautiful. It’s Shakespeare: Henry V.
Beautiful hotel. The place was deserted lol. What was he laying out cutlery for?
WHAT? ! Spiers got court martialled? Messed up.
@@RamblersInc Spires didn't get courtmartialed; the shooter did.
I hope you get to review "The Pacific" which is another great series.
War is one of the few situations on earth where you can stand at the gates of hell and catch a glimpse into heaven at the same time.
It brings out both the best and worst in people.
Wow. Great line. Horrifying, and yet...
@@RamblersInc You like that one? I came up with that philosophy while studying at the University of Baghdad in 2003. Lol.
Subsequently that's the first time I saw "band of brothers" in my downtime. Another soldier lent it to me on DVD box set.
Still I can't help but wonder why Hollywood churned out all of this patriotic propaganda leading up to and surrounding nine eleven.
Coincidence?
Nixon Nitration works? Ahh the early days of the military industrial complex! Make war, make weapons, make money, rinse and repeat.
They had to devise some means to get servicemen home; we had over 10 million deployed all over the world and they certainly didn't have all the ships and planes to bring them home at once, so as others delineated, certain types were eligible to come home first. Bill Guarnere said those who were wounded and disabled were the first in line, so he got to go home sooner than the rest of Easy. But his flight was so scary because of engine trouble that he asked for a parachute so he can jump out in case the plane was going to crash!
That last sentence 😂. Poor Guarnere but I definitely read that in his voice.
For how long ago this was made Band of Brothers still holds up, Pacific is good but for me it really gets going half way into it and a character called Sleage gets there.
Can’t believe it’s over 20 years old. HBO’s finest.
Something that comes up in the last episode that is not fully explained is the Adjusted Service Rating Score...which is what the "points" they keep referring to is about. The Army needed a system to prioritize the people that were deployed overseas, and decide in what order folks would get to go home, since not everyone could go home at the same time. The system heavily prioritized people with children under the age of 18 to get them home as soon as possible, and focused on medals awarded and time in service overseas as other criteria.
Makes sense. Although it seems that even some with medals found it tough to reach the threshold.
@@RamblersInc Yup...absolutely true...and for the 101st that was pretty common. It was largely the effect of the 101st having gone over to Europe relatively later than most other units. Some US troops were serving overseas in the European Theater as early as the invasion of North Africa in November 1942, while many others got involved in the Sicily and Italy campaigns in the Summer of 1943...but the 101st Airborne did not even go to England until September 1943, so it is not surprising at all that the men of the 101st would have issues with getting the number of points needed to be sent home. Any man in the 101st who either did not have children OR had not been much decorated (or both) was going to probably fall short of the 85 points needed.
We stand alone together....please do one on that. Appreciate your appreciation for these men. Non fiction is so much better than BS. Either way, well done fellas
The book mentions Sink (iirc) handing out Bronze Star medals by the handful trying to help the 501st get guys off the line. Or at least Easy. Medals, deployments, combat, wounds etc all added to those points.
No one fragged that soldier that murdered a bunch of people. Beat the hell out of him though and even Spiers didn't. Most up to the top wished they had. As for the surgeon, the book was a lot less dramatic about it.
Wow. Even Col. Sink was trying to get them out? That's heart warming man.
Easy Company was in the 506th PIR.
@@iammanofnature235 You're right. Blame a recurring typo in my head
The point system was pretty complicated. But you do earn 2 points per month for overseas deployment. So he would have gotten the points needed in 2 months.
Never had to deal with points. But we had one soldier who went AWOL and smoked a bunch of pot. Illegal at the time. We pretty much gave him the Shifty Powers discharge. He got Other than Honorable with specific instructions on how to upgrade to Honorable after 6 months. Cheat the system, you were a damn fine soldier, you've earned your time off.
That's a heart warming story. Goes to show...brothers first.
You guys should do The Pacific
We hear ya 🙂
I'm drinking some Vat69 right now. It's not as bad as some claim but it is definitely has a kick.
Oh encase someone didn't clearfy it for you, Lipton was discharged in Episode 8, Officers are commissioned and Enlisted are well enlisted. When you have a soldier go "Green to Gold" as it is called in modern times, they can't be enlisted in the military and be commissioned, so they are honorably discharged from the rest of their enlistment and then they are commissioned as an officer. Technically there is a small period of time where a person could use it to leave the service, It really isn't something that would ever happen.
Thanks for the clearup.
Ahh it's not paint thinner then lol. I might have to try it one day.
For the previous episode the people in the camps were mostly cancer patients
You need to read Major Winters book and you will learn what made him a great leader.
Not to forget that Germany was under military occupation for many years and the army also had to deal with hundreds of thousands of people in DP camps and a massive De-Nazification program which was far too lenient imo. Just feeding everyone was a gargantuan task. For those that were veterans of the battles, the government did want to send them home as soon as possible after the surrender of Japan, but it was a question of logistics. That man who shot people while drunk was a new recruit who had never spent a single day in battle.
We never think about "what happens after" in terms of logistics. Thanks for the info.
"never spent a single day in battle".... I don't know why but that just made me even more angry at him.
Translater is Liebgott
In reality, Speirs ordered Liebgott, Sisk, and two other soldiers to "eliminate" the man who had headed a labor camp. Webster wasn't there. Liebgott interrogated the German for half an hour. As shown, Liebgott wounded the him and "Skinny" Sisk killed him.
Ahhh so a completely different portrayal. Thanks for the info.
_In reality, Speirs ordered Liebgott, Sisk, and two other soldiers to "eliminate" the man who had headed a labor camp. Webster wasn't there. Liebgott interrogated the German for half an hour. As shown, Liebgott wounded the him and "Skinny" Sisk killed him._
In reality, it was based on the shooting of Franz Ziereis who had been commandant of Mauthausen by U.S. Army personnel...but no member of Easy Company was involved. This why they don't name the commandant nor name the camp. Like the liberation scenes of Kaufering IV shown in episode 9, it's fictional bull.
The German Generals speech to his troops brings the entire concept of Band of Brothers together tragically. Just as the "Christmas Truce" of the first World War. It just displays the pointlessness of all of this.
And such a shame that everyone realises this only right at the end.
The casting was excellent. Some were so like the real people once you get the reveal at the end and if you watch the accompanying interview episode.
Damian Lewis and Simon Pegg's American accents are so good I can see why people didn't realize they were Brits until they saw them in interviews.
Some of the unknown and now known/short cameos in the series.
Simon Pegg
Jimmy Fallon
Michael Fassbender
Tom Hardy
Colin Hanks
The Pacific isn't as character focused but more focuses on the situation. I didn't like it as much because you felt like you were an observer where Band of Brothers made you feel you were there experiencing it.
I can't get over Tom Hardy's introduction in this show 😂 (we obviously couldn't show it on RUclips)
Ahh I see. I don't think anything competes with Band Of Brothers to be fair.
Hopefully we enjoy it regardless and can have you along for the ride too.
Did we watch the same series? The Pacific focuses on the experiences of three Marines, and I found it compelling, especially Eugene Sledge’s arc.
He's not saying it wasn't good, just that the feeling of the pacific was much different, and I agree. BoB is more character driven than the pacific was.@@catherinelw9365
Your chapters markings are off. Your intro ends at 04:50, not 02:50.
Oops. Thank You. Fixed.
How they did that one guy, that was being carried, who looked so damn frail was, it wasn't a real person. It was animatronics. And yeah, they did a hell of a job with that.
It was Liebgott that was doing the translating for Winters and the other officers gathered around.
In reality, Winters accepted and kept that German officers pistol. He said in an interview that when he inspected the pistol, he could tell it had never been fired. And he said it wouldn't be fired as long as he owned it. He said there was no blood on it, and that's the way all wars should end, with no blood. I told you I would give you a little more info on Spiers killing the German prisoners after you finished this series, so here it is.
The story about Spiers killing the prisoners is true. It was confirmed in an interview with Dick Winters. The guy doing the interview asked Dick about this, and Dick told him about it. He said that Steven Ambrose(the author of the book, band of brothers) called him one day and told him they had a problem. Lawyers from Simon and Shuster called him and were worried about potential lawsuits from some of the stories that were in the book. The Spiers story was one of them, the portrayal of Nix drinking too much was another.
Dick told him not to worry about it, he would handle it. He said he wasn't worried about Nix, he knew that wouldn't be an issue, but the Spiers story was something else. Dick said he called Spiers and said 'hey Sparky, you know those rumors that were floating around, about D-Day, were they true? He said Spiers said 'oh yeah Dick, they're true'. He told Speirs about the phone call from Ambrose and the Lawyers concerns and Spiers said don't worry about it. He would write them and letter and tell them what happened. Apparently he did just that, and Dick said it was never an issue after that, because it was true.
The interview with Winters is out there on youtube, which is where I got this info from. I may have paraphrased a little.
When I saw it the first time, I couldn't comprehend how it would be a real person but I still thought it was. Thanks for clearing that up.
Good that Winters cleared it up. A legend till the end.
The colonel offering Winters his sidearm actullay happened but in real life Winters took the weapon. Much later he found out that the weapon has never been fired and he made sure it stayed that way. He said he really liked the idea that the peace have been sealed with a weapon that has no blood on it.
Different event. Winters took the pistol from a major. This was a colonel.
The used terminally ill cancer patient to film the last episode.
😔
Grant was shot by a replacement who'd not fought. The Pvt had been drinking& smoking pot all night. He tried to take a German's vehicle & shot the man. A British major & his attendant tried to intervene. He shot them both. Grant came up on the scene, tried to ask what happened & was shot as shown.
The Pvt was court martialed, but didn't serve the whole sentace.
Grant did survive with some cognitive difficulties & loss of function in his left arm. He ran a small tobacco shop & attended the Easy Co reunions until his death in 1984.
They did show part of the woman's camp. They were the poor, bald, creatures in those dark, crammed barrack buildings. You can be excused for not knowing they were women.
Oh my god 😔. Disgusting treatment. I'm sorry we didn't catch that. And angry at what happened....again.
_They did show part of the woman's camp. They were the poor, bald, creatures in those dark, crammed barrack buildings. You can be excused for not knowing they were women._
Absolute nonsense. There was no women's camp. The liberation and associated scenes shown in Band of Brothers are completely fictional (except the civilians burying the dead). The camp depicted in Band of Brothers is Kaufering IV (Hurlach) which was one of eleven labor subcamps of Dachau located in the Landsberg (Bavaria) region of Germany known as the Kaufering complex. The camp was actually found and liberated by the 12th Armored Division on April 27, 1945 with some units of the 101st arriving on April 28...but Easy Company wasn't one of them. And there were only a handful of prisoners found alive, along with about 500 bodies. For dramatic purposes, the producers of Band of Brothers decided to show Easy Company liberating the camp.
From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
_To house the concentration camp prisoners, the SS created camps near the proposed industrial sites. At the Kaufering and Mühldorf camps, prisoners often slept in poorly heated and badly provisioned earthen huts, which were partially submerged in the soil and covered with earth to disguise them from the air. The larger of Kaufering's 11 camps each contained several thousand prisoners, the vast majority of whom were Jews. Disease, malnutrition, and the brutal conditions in the workplace and in the camps took its toll on the inmates, resulting in a high mortality rate._
_As US armed forces approached the Kaufering complex in late April 1945, the SS began evacuating the camps, sending the prisoners on death marches in the direction of Dachau. Those inmates who could not keep up were often shot or beaten to death by the guards. At Kaufering IV, the SS set fire to the barracks killing hundreds of prisoners who were too ill or weak to move._
_When the 12th Armored Division and 101st Airborne Division arrived at Kaufering IV on April 27 and 28, respectively, the soldiers discovered some 500 dead inmates. In the days that followed, the US Army units ordered the local townspeople to bury the dead._