The Cardinals Make Their First Trade Ahead Of The Deadline And It's A BIG One | Locked On Cardinals
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- - Three Team Trade With The Dodgers And White Sox
- Tommy Edman
- Erick Fedde
- Tommy Pham
- National Reaction
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Considering what other teams have paid so far for lower tier pitchers with less control, this is an A+ job by Mo
Great trade for us! Looking forward to the rest of the season with addition/returner. Hopefully, we can get another bullpen arm as well.
The Cards give up zero present production for a competent starter and a plus bat and fielder, I mean ,seriously, what is there not to like? Good job MO! A+
Pickup 2 of the 3 pieces the Cardinals needed for a player that hasn't seen the field thos year. Not a bad deal
I’m impressed. We thank Tommy Edman for his time here and his great play. The Dodgers are getting a great player. Mo needed a decent starter and Fedye (sp?) was one of the names floating around. Pham is certainly making the rounds.
That face was priceless JD 😂😂 when i saw we were down 6-2 i was like well geez a wheez man 😂😂😂
Attitude in baseball… we miss you badly Yadier Molina!!!!❤
I'm very excited to have Pham back and to see what Fedde can do. I see it as W! Pretty stoked about this trade honestly.
I do believe that a Bullpen arm is needed, when Middelton went down I figured we'd be shopping for a bullpen arm.
Now they just need Pete Fairbanks (Rays) and 1 more bullpen arm maybe, also I really hope they consider keeping Pallante in the rotation (6-man) for now until this pitching staff is capable of getting back on track.
I agree. I think it was a smart trade on a pitcher that is possibly flying under the radar
Bro slapped Joc Peterson😂😂😂
Don't mess with his fantasy football team 😂 😂 😂
And he had a great game the next day without apologizing 😆
Yeah, and that caused a two-hour “rain delay” in Cincinnati that I had to sit through. No rain at all!!!! Pham is a tool and I am not happy he’s back on the Cardinals.
@kenbo1512 get over yourself 😂
I like the trade a lot! We got a good younger pitcher that can become a solid piece of the rotation moving forward. Sad to see Tommy Edman go, but everything has gone fine without him playing. All of your points about his role are spot on. His injury, unfortunately, ended up costing him his spot. Tommy Pham coming back is going to be fun, too.
Excellent trade. Hate seeing Edman go but takes something to get something. Traded a surplus with the emergence of Siani & Donovan's versatility for two needs. Pham mashes lefties & I have always loved his drive plus plays all outfield spots. Fedde has been outstanding & is locked in for next year.
Hey JD; I like the trade👍. Cards always “pin point” their needs and usually find just the right puzzle piece that fits that need. Here they did it in a 2 for one move, filling two holes in the puzzle.
The 40 man roster is always evolving and revolving due to developments of player personnel, making trades become necessary.
The hot buyers market makes this deal appear even more impressive when you consider all the teams in the hunt for the best talent they can find to be available.
I give Mo an A on this year’s deadline deal.
Very well done analysis JD! I give you an A+!! You are carrying a 4.0 grade for the year as well! 👍😊👍
Nowhere near enough to get us into the playoffs. We are the 3rd worst-hitting team in the NL.
Right
If Arenado and Goldy get hot we have one of the best lineups in the league.
anyone saying this was a bad deal, is a bad fan. this isn't a win, this was a mother effing Robbery. cards came up huge
This trade was a win-win-win for all three teams involved. The teams got what they wanted. The Cardinals gave up very little and didn't deplete the farm system at all.
Mo is so good making these moves as history shows. I will miss Tommy! Hes a natural at any position..i wish him the best and a full recovery with that wrist. Dodgers taking a chance on him who hasnt played this year. Im surprised for sure. No high tier prospects that are healthy were traded for a forner number1 Fedde who has a near 3.00era 7wins 4 losses on the sox the worst team in basball. Pham is another fiery guy and batted 422 in the world series last year with a homer. It is posible he will play full time against lefties as we need offence to support our starting pitchers. Hoping for a solid bullpen help. We hit the ball hard against evaldi but atom balls hurt..good coverage JD!👍🏆⚾️
Perhaps the player to be named later from the Dodgers could be a pitcher. That would be a really good thing.
Carlson has to go. Perhaps they can get a relief pitcher for him. I don't think that the Yankees would be willing to swap him even Steven for Juan Soto... 😂😂
JD, can't they get something for Gallegos? Gallegos and Carlson in a package with a couple of minor leaguers?
Another starter would be fantastic! But we know Mo and Mr. Stingy. However, my compliments to them on this trade. The Cardinals are definitely better with this trade. Glad to see an older Tommy Pham. I think it will be good, real good. We do need attitude. Complacency doesn't win ballgames. I hope Tommy hits a home run in his first game!!
Another starter doesn’t make sense. They have no spots available.
Tommy Pham is a guy you want on your team. It's great to have a guy that plays with swag and plays with an edge on the field. Great break down JD. I'm intrigued with Fedde in the rotation. Giving up Edman is a little painful but sometimes as we all well know in the game you have to make unpopular decisions to improve the team. You can't argue the Cards didn't improve here in some way--possibly. Shout out from a Knoxville Cardinal fan JD---love the podcast.
Is this satire? Everyone knows Tommy Pham is clubhouse cancer. There is a reason he gets traded twice a year.
As you said at the tolp of the broadcast, there was a log jam of 2nd base players. teh centerfield position was occupied, Tommy Edman had no real place to come back to. We needed pitcing,and we got the right handed bat, so, I hate to say it, but i'm fine with the trade.
JD, great stuff! I'm easily unmoored by dissenting noise on social media, but, I was frequently astonished at those who claimed Edman was worthless as a .260 hitter w/ no slug.
If you examined Fangraphs leaderboards over the past 5 years, particularly on the defensive side, you'd see a guy whose DEF metrics were truly insane, e.g., 17.7 during his 5+ WAR 2022 season.
Yet, as much as I hate to see him go, Mozeliak - w/ little breathing room under DeWitt's $$ constraints - spun this trade into gold. For all the brickbats hurled his way - some earned - this ranks just behind the Arenado & Goldy acquisitions as one of his best.
It's a testament to his perseverance and deft handling of a complex deal.
Edman was a hitter, anyone who says differently is a FOOL
you forgot to add that he managed to do all of that on a VERY short checkbook! So yeah, I'm thinking Mo ROCKED on this one!
@@s.s.chapter2219 Edman still IS a hitter, as far as we know. BUT we need pitching help and IMMEDIATE hitting help against lefties. Edman may not come back the same, we just can't tell. No way to know until he's had a month or so of big league play time. He wasn't going to help the club this year. Can't stockpile talent that is useless to you right now. Now, could he come back and beat you in the NLCS next year? Absolutely. But he couldn't help THIS year.
@icaleinns6233 well yeah? He's going to the Dodgers so time will tell... they could use an upgrade over Biggio?
Idk they need someone like what pujols was against LHP, pham can hit lefties yes... they need more firepower and for the offense not to stall out... you face two lefties in a wildcard series and they going home
JD another great show!!!! A surprisingly good move by the Cardinals.
.......Another "Ex" Cardinal? YIPEE!.....Apparently they forgot why they got rid of him the FIRST time? 😑👈
This is a fleece of the Sox by Mo, trading away a player who hasn't held a bat in The Bigs all season for this kind of return of a Starting Pitcher who's having a career year, a 7-4 record and sub 3 ERA on literally the worst team in the MLB is crazy talk, never mind getting Pham who rakes against LHP which is quite a weakness for the Cards at the moment, never mind Pham is a former Card, this is a greaaaaat trade.
Fedde has had 3 good months. 5 years with the Nationals with a 5.41 era. Never pitched over 133 innings. Already at 121 this year. History says this guy will gas out or his arm will hurt and require Tommy John. He will end the year closer to a 4.00 to 4.50 ERA.
I like Fedde we don't really have horrible pitchers you may just need to mix the rotation up some and switch the order around a little bit.
Great stuff! Wish Edman the very best but kudos on this trade!
It's an easy A trade in my opinion! We got a number 2 starter, and a RH bat that plays all OF positions, and who hits LHP well! Also, I believe a trade of Carlson and a mid level prospect or two could get Hunter Strickland from the Angels maybe? I think Strickland would be a nice fit, and help JoJo, Kittredge, and Fernandez in the backend!
I agree with you. Not only do I think Mo hit a grand slam on this one, but I don’t even understand what the White Sox are getting out of this?
They must LOVE Perez, Albertus, and/or the PTBNL, because I just don’t get it. How do the White Sox go into a deal with the Cards wanting Edman and end up, not only sending him to the Dodgers, but also throwing Tommy Pham into the deal?
I get it for the Dodgers. That makes a lot of sense. Easy B+, maybe even an A-.
I certainly get it for the Cards. Solid A. Maybe even an A+ when you consider the salary swap between Pham/Edman and the rotation discount with Fedde in 2025.
But the Sox? I was expecting them to get a lot more for Erick Fedde… C-, at best.
Great trade. If the cards would start winning consistently that would help.
We traded for pitching help with one of the few pieces we had anyone would want while getting rid of a future injury risk. Where was he going to play with Ciani being so cheap and Gorman, Donovan, and Burly not going to be moved. Good trade and glad to see Tommy going to a team where he can win.
They sold high on Tommy, just like they did with Bader, love the move, wish Tommy the best, hope to beat him in the playoffs
Tom Edman was the best infielder, maybe on the team, and you're happy to trade for a Fedde,, a guy who you say is worth millions who has a half year of mediocre success and Pham who is legally blind. I like Pham but where is he going to play. The Dodgers have been making video's how much they wanted him to be a Dodger two years ago. I wrote and told you about the situation. The Dodgers need a short stop and now they got one. Mo just signed Edman this spring to a huge increase. Congrats to him.
Looks like a good trade. Time will tell
Is that the Tommy pham who was "a problem" in the clubhouse last time he was with stl?
Surprised Carlson didn't go...same with gallegos...
Would think they could have gotten some value for gallegos...
Prospects for carlson...
Yep, the same Tommy Pham.
I guess they couldn't get anybody to bite on Carlson or Gallegos.
Why is Mo in love with Carlson is it because he's Canadian
Carlson is from california.know what talking about@@tonynelson2259
I don't think they could get 50 bucks and a case of beer for Carlson. He just has that "I'm here for the stupid money and can't believe they still let me play" vibe.
Gallegos suffered decline in spin rate and his been getting lit up since....
Thanks JD, kinda feel better lol
I have been on Mozaliak,and give the devil his due, Great trade. Sounds like he stayed in owners spending constraints for the budget. We need Fedde more than Edman and we have players to cover. If Mo can trade Carlson and prospect for a Pete Fairbanks or Tanner Scott, I promise not to dog Big Mo the rest of the year. Like Bader, Edman and possibly Nootbar are fan favorites that may be better served in a trade for stud reliever.
So they need a bullpen arm. But what if that bullpen are has just as many innings as our bullpen does? Is that a true upgrade?🤔
JD can you just call it the way it is... this was a one step backward to take one step forward trade. The cardinals are stuck because the 3rd richest owner in baseball refuses to allow the team to spend another dime. Ownership is unwilling to spend to correct mistakes. The team lost to Texas last night as I predicted, they'll lose again tonight to MAX, and maybe they'll get swept. We've fallen behind the PIrates in the playoff race, we're not a playoff team. We should be SELLERS NOT BUYERS! The Cardinals with a SET AMOUNT 175 appears to be it... spending. We need a full reset. We should be rebuilding the farm system and waiting out Miles, Matz, trade Nolan, trade Gray, let go of Lynn, Gibson, move on from Gorman, Nootbar and the rest. They should be trading away everyone and rebuilding from a payroll of around 50 million. When you're ready to make the big move pull the trigger. Ownership should stop kidding themselves, they're not getting 3 million fans this year, next year will be worse, Cards are heading to a two million tickets sold with more like 1.5 actual attendance. That will be the future for this team over the next 5 years regardless of trying to stay a 500 team and pretend they're competing or they totally rebuild. This trade was desperation trade. It was a very sad move it reminding me of the offseason give GRAY A BUNCH OF MONEY to be your #1 when any of the playoff teams he's a #4. Bring in two other older guys on one year deals. Waste of time. Start the total rebuild.
I don't totally disagree, we need a reshuffling at least, but quite simply Mo isn't capable of it.Until he retires we are SOL.
There’s a reason the Cardinals got rid of Tommy Pham years ago. Do you fans not remember?
@@kenbo1512 There’s also a reason teams keep acquiring him for playoff pushes and post season play… the team is “super pumped” to have him back and players even reportedly requested to bring him back
.......Right.
Mo didn't like his in your face attitude. But now they need some of that attitude? 😁
Give me your thoughts, good and bad about this deal!
I like Fedde gonna miss Edman but this team continues to get hammered in the clutch of games and it's just a bad bullpen again.
A terrific trade. Fedde is a decent and fairly consistent pitcher. Pham brings some freaking life to the clubhouse and on the field. The Cards are about as exciting as paint drying. They need some excitable players and a solid veteran. Goldy and Nado aren't playing that role and Carp is equally quiet. Losing Edman is no big deal to me. Solid player but hasn't played and likely won't play in LA for another few weeks or more.
Heading up there for a couple of those Dodger games next month. Hope Tommy is back and in the lineup. I'll give him a standing ovation.
I’d give the trade a B+
Won’t make any difference. The Cardinals were a .500 team at best without them and they will be a .500 team at best with them. Meanwhile, I’m happy for Tommy Edman. He will have the opportunity to play for a team that is serious about winning and possibly get a World Series Ring…….something that was never going to happen in St. Louis.
When do you think will be his first game to pitch
I will miss Tommy only time will tell if this was a good move!
We need hitters a get Pham. Lord.
@@larry690 Certainly not the BIG bat this lineup could use, would love to get Rooker but the A’s have said they may not move him so asking price is probably astronomical
Just what we need to get over the hump. Someone to ruin morale and chemistry. There is a reason pham plays for multiple teams every year.
Teams wouldn't be so happy to dump him at the deadline would they ??
Nice job jd
I like the trade
Forget the sorry Redbirds.
Fedde 7-4 3.11 playing for the worst team in baseball. He will be a stud for the Cards. Don't sleep on him.
Looks like the cardinals are desperate to me. Just watch Edman in LA when he gets healthy again.
It’s been 9 months and he’s been going 0 for 4 at DH AA… not playing field it’s going to be till damn near October
Will miss Tommy though
Why not bench Gorman? He’s hurting the team right now.
Think I mentioned a couple of days ago that I was all in on this trade! Especially adding in Pham! The fact that they only had to give up Edman and a 17 yr old prospect was the chef's kiss!
Thank you for addressing all of the hate I've seen directed toward Tommy Pham. Everything I've ever heard from the people that actually know him, players, staff, reporters, man they LOVE him. The only "cancer" comments I've ever heard are coming from fans that don't know him. I loved him when he was last with the Cards, and he doesn't seem to have changed a bit.
Fun aside: I think I saw someplace that this is the 3rd time that Tommy Pham has been traded TO a team that has Chaim Bloom in the FO. I'm kinda thinking Chaim really likes what Tommy brings to a team, too! I'll defer to the experts!
My overall grade: A fuckin' PLUS!
Miss tomy
This trade is all about 2025. Mo knows the Cardinals aren't making the playoffs only KOOLAID drinking Cardinals fans think we're making the playoffs. This team doesn't have a SINGLE ACE - or a SINGLE offensive superstar. BTW for those who don't know what a SUPERSTAR IS JUDGE is a Superstar, Skenes is an ACE. Pirates got that guy from being bad... we should be trading away everyone to start over. But the Cardinals only care about MONEY... they're giving the appearance they're TRYING! This trade proves they aren't trying. Trading away TOMMY when he returned he'd be one of your top 4 offensive players makes ZERO SENSE! Dodgers wanted Edman because they want to WIN. Dewitt cares about money even at 80 years old he runs the teams like SCROOGE not a billionaire with an ego! Can you imagine Jerry Jones owning the Cardinals it he might spend 400 million on payroll to win... he doesn't care about any thing but winning and his ego. Our owner cares about money, cold hard cash. HES WORTH 4 BILLION DOLLARS FOR GOD SAKES he can spend every penny the Cardinals make on player... he can do it this once to get the team back on track with the fans and he just spit in your face!
I wouldn't say its a great trade but i dont mind it whos to say edman will b healthy this yr we got 2 solid players n return it helps the team rite now and nxt yr i def would of rather lost nootbar Carlson or walker instead of edman but his injury this yr sealed his fate just circumstances i hope this trade wrks out and hopefully there not done we need a reliever still mayb we can get 1 for carlson there's a roster spot that needs freed up go cardinals!!
You don't know ball if you would've gave up walker or noot instead of edman 😂
@@tylerbenlien6093 yes id rather have edman than noot or walker he's a bttr hitter and defender plays more positions hes more valuable thats y the dodgers wntd him and there a top contender lol walker is struggling still n the minors he may be a bust srry and noot hasn't done more in the mlb than edman has so u must not no baseball walker ain't no lock to b great there's been plenty of prospects that didn't pan out time will tell unless we're like u an hav a crystal ball😂😅
He will also be 30 and his arb will be up the others are still under control come back to earth
It is good but I still don't think it is going to help the cardinals make the playoffs
Tommy who????
Top of batting order 1-6 3 for 23 thats a big .130 average WHY IS BURLESON PLAYING LEFT FIELD ANOTHER OLI MISS USE OF THE BULLPEN AGAIN
Right roycroft and leahy
Head case pham
same ol cards, give away a very good player for other teams throw away trash
Love Burley Biscuits but he kills us in the outfield gotta keep him out of the grass
Pop Warner sucks 👎. The loss for tonight's game goes to Pop Warner! Why in the eff would he hold up Noot in the 7th? A total dumba$$ move that prob cost us the game. 😠
The deal sucks 👎👎. Tommy Edman is baseball's perfect warrior.. tom pham is a bad attitude punk. WTF were they thinking?!
Fedde is a much improved pitcher and they needed a solid dude... Pham hits LHP they need someone to hit LHP more like mash like Pujols did in there last winning year, but I digress
And edman has been out 9 months going 0 for everything at AA not even playing the field you have no idea how the wrist will hold up… he was making 9.5 million next year… Fedde makes less Pham comes off the books after 2024… you seriously don’t understand how Dewitt lets Mo do business!