Comment below any interactions you have had with dropping bulk mirror shards so the community can get a better picture on what is possible. What drop chance do you believe is most accurate for Mirror of Kalandra? --- Also, feel free to subscribe for more farming videos and build guides that differ from the typical "meta" trends. How to Target Farm Mirror of Kalandra - Round 2 - ruclips.net/video/HQGus-FPiPo/видео.html
I do kiracs survivors guilt every league and the ratio IS about 7 fracturing orbs and mirror shard , pretty fast shard farming and can apply Memory to t1 map , there is no difference between t1 and t16 in terms of loot i did 100 memories on t1 and 100 memories in t16 combined like 800 Maps and on both of them i got mirror shards and the Same amount of fracturing orbs , only need rogue Market duplication trinket and smugglers cache duplication trinket , i also tested base harbi and Deli orbs , Deli orbs was like extremely bland on 6 mod map it was 80% Deli on kiracs i only did 20% Deli with catalyst orb it payed for all rerolls , i rerolled map mod with Chaos orb because is faster than alc and scour ,. Reply If you want i can give you the full strat what i did and what build i used
@@fourtabsgod64 i was doing some kinda of a meme race with a friend by picking some random low value memory line and see who gets more profit, if you are kind enough to give the full strat so i can run it, it would be a really great meme and cool thing to try!
@@jaimeciccone3749 not OP, but i did farm this. The strat scales with multiple things: IIQ, IIR and packsize. I recomend any MF build that can handle proximity shields without any struggle. The maps themself u wanna chisel, roll for good IIQ or beyond, deli orb and than vaal. You dont wanna fully clear if it takes too much time since the investement is rather low. also check which maps have the highest base amount of monsters. there is some data to that available online
@@fourtabsgod64I also do survivors Guilt, with legacy quant gear and deli/beyond on map. Using 100 quant biscos (many harbinger mobs are normal enemies). I feel this is the best way to target mirror shards in the game.
10/10 video, fascinating data, didn't even hesitate to sub :) it's always been a mystery to me just how rare a mirror actually is, so this is super cool to hear after ~3200 hrs
I've been working on a similar analysis so it's cool to see you post this. I came to virtually the same conclusion regarding div/hr, that you make almost no profit excluding mirror shards, especially when you consider the high cost of juicing materials in standard. Ultimately this is such a high variance strategy that the div/hr numbers aren't really meaningful, and I would rather just spend that time on something else.
in sentinel i dropped a mirror. I was fighting a harby but im not sure it was from a the harbinger itself (shard upgrading into a full mirror) but a monster that was next to it because it dropped along with a blessed orb lol. It looks like it might have been from a monster that spawned from one of the harby portals. If anybody cares enough to see it, its in GFLs sentinel day 30-31 video at 1:40
Harby mobs dont drop items themself. Only Harbingers themself. My guess - you were hella lucky to drop mirror shard, and even luckier to turn it into full mirror congrats
@@Olden2610that's not right, sustaining almost all my maps from "harbinger monsters" so they do drop stuff. And as he said it dropped together with a blessed orb, which aren't in the harbinger drop pool, since there aren't shards of them...
not gonna lie, while ive never really ran the 100 deli maps much, over the past several leagues i have however ran somewhere around 1k simulacrums per league depending on if it was able to keep me in for the whole time. i have been told that mirror shards can and will drop from the harby rewards, i have never seen 1 drop at all from them, but i have in comparison dropped 2 1pt voices. i would have to agree with you on the deli maps being the best chance of them since you can force the rewards outcome to only be the harby deli. i would like to prose a second thought for you. a guildmate was able to farm 2 pure mirrors from shards due to running the harby memory lines exclusively and had estimated it would take him close to a month to do 1, but in 2 weeks actually managed 2 from the shards. if you spend the time and roll the maps really hard the chances of mirror shards i think would be the best chance at getting them including the deli method. but i havent fully tested it and it working for a single person isnt exactly conclusive, so possibly something else to test and share results of :) love the content also please keep it up
Ty for comment. I have also done some testing on Harbinger memory maps by running 100 ish maps. No mirror shard drops from my test, but it is an option, but only seems competitive if you are running pure quant gear while doing it.
Im a very old player and i often play mf on most juiced contents, i did drop probably everything or close, many hh and last seas a mageblood. But as i said 10 years ago, i never dropped a mirror and probably never will😂. I play solo so no access to the very insane juice or just bad luck. Theres a video where a mirror came out from a rock the guy casually broke, a rock!
I have been playing since 2016, coming up on almost 14k hours, I play mostly juiced stuff in standard, I skip mostly all league as I don't like most of them ( i did play some crucible and some sentinel league) but I skipped ancestor, sanctum, lake, archnem, scourge, expedition, heist, harvest, etc. I skipped all of those league as I didnt like any of them, So i have been play a shit ton of juiced content with very strong standard builds, and still yet to have ever drop a mirror. That alone should tell you how rare they are. I also never dropped a HH or a mageblood. For you to drop both a mageblood and 2 mirrors in a 2 week span is outrageously lucky. Like, I would say the same type of luck someone were to get struck by lightning twice kind of luck. Another example woud be you have a better chance at going down in a plane crash and sying than you would to find 2 mirrors and a mageblood in 2 weeks, no matter how much juice and MF you are rockin, that is extremely extremely unlikely to happen
Having to put harbinger deli orbs is expensive in standard you can't do that 5d per 10stacks not to mention the up keep on charged compass I tried it a few times had 15 orbs and did 60 percent deli and ran out quick theres no upkeep the way you have your tree you would definitely have to buy everything in bulk made like 2d maybe 3d in 4 5 maps
I got one mirror shard on SSF Crucible then transfered to Trade crucible and played Poison SRS and sold the thing to get my build online. That or a 7 years bad luck... Don't remember but it did got my build online with a couple of cheap uniques hahaha
I got my first mirror drop back in nemesis league in the campaign broke a barrel on the beach it was even a misclick. And have seen mirror shards from simulacrum and as reward from excavation .
I got 8 fragments of a mirror in a simulacrum (proof: ruclips.net/video/ML0rHBZ1PY0/видео.html ) and another 7 fragments from 100% delirium (the reward fell when I left Alva's Intervention). In 10,000 hours of play, a whole mirror fell out only once (Fiared invitation)
I dropped a mirror a few leagues back in a delirium mirror T16 tropical island, where i got to the 2nd half start and defeated the blight encounter and the pump exploded into a mirror. I think it was Scourge when poison speed stacking was still a thing and the Harbinger Sextant that let you get more rare currencies dropping, I got a few mirror shards in my weakly delirious maps from harbinger and lucky card drops. Right now I have enjoyed farming, zero mirror shards in 80+ harbinger maps and 1 brothers gift + 2 brothers stash in 80 cemeteries :(
Never dropped much of anything close to such rarity, most expensive equipment was prob a quant greatwolf amulet selling for like 40 div, and 2 apothecary's (1 from stacked decks lol). AndI think I clock in at around 2-3 mil kills per league for the last few, before that I also always ended up rerolling 12 times per league.
Looking at the skil tree, you shared at the end of the video, you can safe a skill point by connecting through the left of the left portal (1 point) instead of going through the portal itself (2 points). It probably doesn't change much, but every bit helps, right?
a friend dropped a mirror from the "trash" after you are done with the ultimatum. I don't know if they drop better items then normal mobs, could be good to juice ultimatum in the next league
I got 5 mirrors in the past 7 years, i do at least 5k juiced maps every league (20maps/h 6h/day+), at 3k mobs per map thats 1 mirror per 84m kills or ~30k maps avg for me
I would guess it would be pretty hard to come to an accurate probability without community compiling numbers. Someone could farm The Feared a whole league and not come to conclusive evidence. I would guess farming 100% deli is better per hour by a decent amount, but The Feared is best location if you are want to do bossing.
I played since closed beta... I have yet to find a mirror. best I got was the 7 years of bad luck card.... 3000+ hours in the game. I am playing it way too casual.
I'm focus on "dropping" a mirror. As in mapping content. There are several league mechanics that you can do to get a mirror. Sanctum, ritual, ancestor.
interesting data but I have a request what about you farm with fresh account no stash tabs at all and do this statistic (2000 maps)? well this is because my friend playing ToTa at rank 1300 geting more Loot than me at 1000 rank we are in the similar builds his is getting mirrors, divines, and all the big currency and I am just getting chaos and vaal orbs if you say oooh this is just luck, I dont think so my friend is asking me to sell his stuff meanwhile he doesnt have a single premium tab, what about GGG assign accounts to be more "lucky" in drops than other with some premium and quad tabs
you seem to be saying you dropped a mirror, in the third map of a league, with a date for this latest league.. but you have recombinator, 250+ divs, 2500 chaos.. 300 deli orbs, and full gear, mageblood etc - so you were actually in standard right? or am i confused
3rd day of league just means 3rd day of league. Doesn't mean in league. Yes, I was testing currency methods in standard. All data in video is using prices from in league tho.
@@Path_of_Chigurh Kinda confusing to mention league in any way, when you are playing standard. But it seems you meant to say day instead of map in the video, so it makes a little more sense I suppose.
@@Devellaro When a league launches, a lot of things in standard change too. New farming methods, updated old league mechanics, new passive tree changes. League launch isn't just the new league and new league mechanic. Partly agree with you.
Even if my says is not a proof, back in 3.9 I was farming simulacrum non stop till 3.12 i find in a group play session 6-7 mirror shard(i don't remember) in a single simulacrum reward, never droped mirror shard again, nor mirror. but this super duper rare, since i have farmer other 2K simulacrum and loot only 7 mirror shard ( still no voices 1 XDD).
This sounds accurate from my numbers. Farming anything but specifically harbinger deli orbs will take an obscene amount of time to get large amounts of mirror shards.
This has no doubt been talked to death in the comments, but on the subject of potential mirror farming options; 1. The Feared - I don't know of any good data sources, but the hearsay I've heard put it at something like 1 in 800 to 1 in 1000 feared invitations per mirror. This is obviously difficult to gather data on since each feared requires spending a bunch of time witnessing other bosses and it could be affected by how the invite is rolled. 2. Ritual - I keep hearing from Ritual farmers that most of the value is in a tiny amount of good drops - including relatively good odds at hitting a mirror. Again this is hearsay, but I'm sure some people have been testing this one in the background. No idea if the data are out in the wild though.
If the Feared is 1 in 1,000, that would put the raw Mirror at roughly 1 Divine Per hour since it takes so long to run each rotation. Ritual use to be the best place to farm mirror until it got nerfed. I don't know what the odds are now.
Guess i should've been doing 5 million kills instead of helping ppl with their builds during my 14000 hour career so far cuz I haven't seen a single shard drop even
Me and 1 friend has both dropped a mirror from The Feared. Don't remember what mods or anything but im pretty sure both had high quantity since we always do min maxed builds
Did you and friend spam farm Feared whole league? Of all mobs in the game, I would agree The Feared probably has the highest chance of dropping mirror. Makes sense.
2 mirrors on 5m kills per season is avg crazy i playing since beta (fellshire endgame) and to active Overall for all the years and im kind of the ho is lava guy looting bout 50-100 divs/ex per season, hardly depend on how long i play and mf/no mf and up to date no mirror but like 10 hhs over the years
ive had an average of 10m kills per league for over 10 leagues now, most of it has been high quant/packsize card farming, i've dropped 3 total mirror shards from harbingers. no raw mirror, and only 1 HH. honestly, the highs in this game are starting to be too far apart for me now. and the lows just keep getting lower. im at a point where, unless is HH/MB or an Apothecary, it just doesnt even feel like a rewarding drop. think its time to give up this rng slot machine that obviously doesnt like me.
never drop a mirror\mirror shard in my 3.5k hrs. Today got 1 MS from Alva's Temple t3 wealth of vaal room. idk is it my bad luck or they drop by 1 (non-stack)
I see a lot of people measuring number of mirrors by gametime, but I think this will create an extremely wide variance as some farming methods with little mob count will be much worse for large drops. For example, in 3.21 I farmed 1,000 metamorph maps with only around 800 mobs each map and I did a ton of hideout crafting, so even though I played 3.21 the most out of any league, I likely didn't have the highest chance of dropping a mirror.
@@Path_of_Chigurh I don't think mob kills is important in my scenario bcs I dropped 0 from mobs, only 1 MS from chest (is it considered a chest?). So I just spread info about MS drop source. I visited only 2 wealth of vaal rooms this league and my overall info didn't bring any usefull statistics here. I see your point about Gametime vs Mobkill and I totally agree with it, ty for your content
Would be interestinf to combine this with kirac memory for harbies (you can still ake the maps 100% delirious), so you maximise the harbi rewards even further
Got a raw mirror drop in 80% deli map this league, my first one ever. Then two weeks later proceeded to see 2 more raw mirror rewards in sanctum within a period of only an hour. Got one of them but unfortunately failed to get the other because i choked..
Damn, imagine making so detailed video and making such a blunder of saying 100% delirium gives 50% quantity bonus. I know that's what wiki says but it was already tested by many people including myself - and you can test it too, that delirium gives no quantity bonus to non-delirium monsters on map whatsoever.
@@Path_of_Chigurh I mean, not to offend anyone but Empyrian's group does a lot of strange things and their split results are not great. Never seen them actually testing 0 vs 100 deli, they just assume it's much better. Delirium adds deli mobs thought so if you can do it effortlessly, why not. You can test deli quant easily in a matter of hours by counting the number of lowest tier divination cards per map on 0 vs 100 deli on juiced maps. One more way is how initially diminishing returns of item quantity were tested - you kill map boss in a map with 0 vs 100 deli and count the number of items (usually rares) that boss drops. On average it's something like 7-8 rare items and this number doesn't get affected by deli at all. Although when you roll lots of quant in the map with wandering path and quantity on a character, this number can easily get to 25-40 items. You can just kill 10 bosses with 0 vs 10 bosses with 100 deli to see no difference, 50% more quant is a lot to be unnoticeable
@@andrewdnistriansky3719 Sounds like you don't have any quantitative data. Go do some testing and come back with exact numbers. I just ran 0% and 100% and it dropped 9 items and 12 items. 33% Loot increase which is inline with diminishing returns. Small sample size obv, but I'm not going to do large scale testing.
@@Path_of_Chigurh Just ran 5 maps with 0 and 5 maps with 100 deli, no quant on character, scoured maps, no altars. Still low sample size but I did this before and results are same, no difference. Screenshots of boss drops: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AITvfsv60YScZj6qdZeMQ4Hqt_UQwF5vrQD6-1CcZ3Y Also, I believe diminishing returns affects only item quantity from the character. 100% quantity on the map itself should double the loot
mirror drop depends not only player personal stats, it depends also by another player and global server stats. it also applicable to t0 unique. Its easy to understand. GGG cant overgenerate mirrors, mageblood and other t0 uniq. Low % chance to obtain valuable loot isnt index of true drop, thats why someone get mirror in act 7 with 5 mobs on locatition and other player cant get it with 3500 mobs per map with high invest. So true calculation must include hidden global loot generations. GGG never give us this info, but im 100% sure this is true, it must be true.
Sounds a little tin foil, but I could see GGG adjusting drop rates to fit an "acceptable" drop rate for number of players. In either scenario, more mobs and faster maps wins out.
@@sirannonable lol this is system that coded many years ago. ofc they did not do it with hands in real time =D this is dev, write once - optimize later.
@@sirannonableIts already confirmed that they adjust map drops at the start of every league in the past, after few hours we already start to see more maps, guess we're just unlucky and for don't know why - after patch people start to see more maps in avg, just coincidence Clueless
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Comment below any interactions you have had with dropping bulk mirror shards so the community can get a better picture on what is possible. What drop chance do you believe is most accurate for Mirror of Kalandra? --- Also, feel free to subscribe for more farming videos and build guides that differ from the typical "meta" trends.
How to Target Farm Mirror of Kalandra - Round 2 - ruclips.net/video/HQGus-FPiPo/видео.html
I do kiracs survivors guilt every league and the ratio IS about 7 fracturing orbs and mirror shard , pretty fast shard farming and can apply Memory to t1 map , there is no difference between t1 and t16 in terms of loot i did 100 memories on t1 and 100 memories in t16 combined like 800 Maps and on both of them i got mirror shards and the Same amount of fracturing orbs , only need rogue Market duplication trinket and smugglers cache duplication trinket , i also tested base harbi and Deli orbs , Deli orbs was like extremely bland on 6 mod map it was 80% Deli on kiracs i only did 20% Deli with catalyst orb it payed for all rerolls , i rerolled map mod with Chaos orb because is faster than alc and scour ,. Reply If you want i can give you the full strat what i did and what build i used
@@fourtabsgod64 i was doing some kinda of a meme race with a friend by picking some random low value memory line and see who gets more profit, if you are kind enough to give the full strat so i can run it, it would be a really great meme and cool thing to try!
@@jaimeciccone3749 not OP, but i did farm this. The strat scales with multiple things: IIQ, IIR and packsize. I recomend any MF build that can handle proximity shields without any struggle.
The maps themself u wanna chisel, roll for good IIQ or beyond, deli orb and than vaal. You dont wanna fully clear if it takes too much time since the investement is rather low. also check which maps have the highest base amount of monsters. there is some data to that available online
@@fourtabsgod64I also do survivors Guilt, with legacy quant gear and deli/beyond on map.
Using 100 quant biscos (many harbinger mobs are normal enemies). I feel this is the best way to target mirror shards in the game.
@@jaimeciccone3749it's not even a meme though, I can generate 1 frac orb per 10-15 maps. (3 minute maps)
25,000+ hours played over 11 years, 5000+ mirrors owned- 0 mirrors dropped / farmed- Lowkey needed this vid 🙏🏻📈
Feels good to be part of the "I dropped a mirror club", but I know monster killing isn't really your thing, nor is it best way to generate wealth.
you farm 1 mirror/5hour? rly?
@@bolvarfordragon9758 He said Owned, not farmed
@@bolvarfordragon9758 he just makes shit up
Impressive game is only 10 years Old 💀
10/10 video, fascinating data, didn't even hesitate to sub :) it's always been a mystery to me just how rare a mirror actually is, so this is super cool to hear after ~3200 hrs
I've been working on a similar analysis so it's cool to see you post this. I came to virtually the same conclusion regarding div/hr, that you make almost no profit excluding mirror shards, especially when you consider the high cost of juicing materials in standard. Ultimately this is such a high variance strategy that the div/hr numbers aren't really meaningful, and I would rather just spend that time on something else.
You were also running 100% deli harbinger maps? What sample size?
@@Path_of_Chigurh nah I haven't run the maps, I just did a similar numerical analysis based on the reddit data
I target farm Mirror of Kalanadra by opening chests. Always works.
I done 150 beachead harbs. Was lvling friends and decided to keep going for shards. Got 1 mirror shard. Never seen one since then though.
in sentinel i dropped a mirror. I was fighting a harby but im not sure it was from a the harbinger itself (shard upgrading into a full mirror) but a monster that was next to it because it dropped along with a blessed orb lol. It looks like it might have been from a monster that spawned from one of the harby portals. If anybody cares enough to see it, its in GFLs sentinel day 30-31 video at 1:40
Harby mobs dont drop items themself. Only Harbingers themself. My guess - you were hella lucky to drop mirror shard, and even luckier to turn it into full mirror
congrats
@@Olden2610that's not right, sustaining almost all my maps from "harbinger monsters" so they do drop stuff. And as he said it dropped together with a blessed orb, which aren't in the harbinger drop pool, since there aren't shards of them...
Best way is just going to be to lock yourself in crimson temple for a month and farm the div cards
Not for farming a raw mirror as I showed. Shoo max juiced for 88/260 of a mirror in 1000 maps. If you are buying a mirror, yes.
Survivors Guilt kirac memories, using legacy quant gear + deli + beyond + 5 party members
Dropped my first mirror yesterday lvling first toon in 3.22 no maps at all
one bad thing about using snu's data is he doesnt take into account duplicated cards and currency, which throws the math off a lot
I wouldnt trust data from any one player because most of humans dont understand statistics at all
not gonna lie, while ive never really ran the 100 deli maps much, over the past several leagues i have however ran somewhere around 1k simulacrums per league depending on if it was able to keep me in for the whole time. i have been told that mirror shards can and will drop from the harby rewards, i have never seen 1 drop at all from them, but i have in comparison dropped 2 1pt voices. i would have to agree with you on the deli maps being the best chance of them since you can force the rewards outcome to only be the harby deli. i would like to prose a second thought for you. a guildmate was able to farm 2 pure mirrors from shards due to running the harby memory lines exclusively and had estimated it would take him close to a month to do 1, but in 2 weeks actually managed 2 from the shards. if you spend the time and roll the maps really hard the chances of mirror shards i think would be the best chance at getting them including the deli method. but i havent fully tested it and it working for a single person isnt exactly conclusive, so possibly something else to test and share results of :) love the content also please keep it up
Ty for comment. I have also done some testing on Harbinger memory maps by running 100 ish maps. No mirror shard drops from my test, but it is an option, but only seems competitive if you are running pure quant gear while doing it.
@@Path_of_Chigurh that's fair, he put full mf on his character and just ran it t1 start point so that would make sense.
Im a very old player and i often play mf on most juiced contents, i did drop probably everything or close, many hh and last seas a mageblood. But as i said 10 years ago, i never dropped a mirror and probably never will😂. I play solo so no access to the very insane juice or just bad luck. Theres a video where a mirror came out from a rock the guy casually broke, a rock!
I have been playing since 2016, coming up on almost 14k hours, I play mostly juiced stuff in standard, I skip mostly all league as I don't like most of them ( i did play some crucible and some sentinel league) but I skipped ancestor, sanctum, lake, archnem, scourge, expedition, heist, harvest, etc. I skipped all of those league as I didnt like any of them, So i have been play a shit ton of juiced content with very strong standard builds, and still yet to have ever drop a mirror.
That alone should tell you how rare they are. I also never dropped a HH or a mageblood. For you to drop both a mageblood and 2 mirrors in a 2 week span is outrageously lucky. Like, I would say the same type of luck someone were to get struck by lightning twice kind of luck. Another example woud be you have a better chance at going down in a plane crash and sying than you would to find 2 mirrors and a mageblood in 2 weeks, no matter how much juice and MF you are rockin, that is extremely extremely unlikely to happen
I got 2 mirror and mageblood in 9 month span. Past 3 leagues. 1 in each.
Having to put harbinger deli orbs is expensive in standard you can't do that 5d per 10stacks not to mention the up keep on charged compass I tried it a few times had 15 orbs and did 60 percent deli and ran out quick theres no upkeep the way you have your tree you would definitely have to buy everything in bulk made like 2d maybe 3d in 4 5 maps
Very interesting data as usual!
Personally never got a mirror shard, playing since 3.0, and don't know how many kills i do per league
/killed or somethng, /kills or /killed will tell you
100% can confirm that simulacrum drops mirror shards. I got 7 shards on a random wave 20
Ty for confirming this can happen.
I got one mirror shard on SSF Crucible then transfered to Trade crucible and played Poison SRS and sold the thing to get my build online.
That or a 7 years bad luck... Don't remember but it did got my build online with a couple of cheap uniques hahaha
Gotten 1 mirror shard from harb in 200-300 maps of harb farm crimson
I got my first mirror drop back in nemesis league in the campaign broke a barrel on the beach it was even a misclick. And have seen mirror shards from simulacrum and as reward from excavation .
I got 8 fragments of a mirror in a simulacrum (proof: ruclips.net/video/ML0rHBZ1PY0/видео.html ) and another 7 fragments from 100% delirium (the reward fell when I left Alva's Intervention). In 10,000 hours of play, a whole mirror fell out only once (Fiared invitation)
I dropped a mirror a few leagues back in a delirium mirror T16 tropical island, where i got to the 2nd half start and defeated the blight encounter and the pump exploded into a mirror. I think it was Scourge when poison speed stacking was still a thing and the Harbinger Sextant that let you get more rare currencies dropping, I got a few mirror shards in my weakly delirious maps from harbinger and lucky card drops. Right now I have enjoyed farming, zero mirror shards in 80+ harbinger maps and 1 brothers gift + 2 brothers stash in 80 cemeteries :(
Played for 9 years,3-7 hours a day.
Never dropped a mirror,mirror shard,mageblood and so on!
Once in an Mf party i droped a HH and thats that!
Maybe a lot of time in your hideout? How many /kills you got this league?
So farming divines makes you get a mirror faster and cheaper.
Depends how you are farming the divines.
Me and most of my friends got pure mirror drops from Feared invitation.
I got a mirror by casually walking into a shop and buying one.
"Open up!" - FBI
Never dropped much of anything close to such rarity, most expensive equipment was prob a quant greatwolf amulet selling for like 40 div, and 2 apothecary's (1 from stacked decks lol).
AndI think I clock in at around 2-3 mil kills per league for the last few, before that I also always ended up rerolling 12 times per league.
Looking at the skil tree, you shared at the end of the video, you can safe a skill point by connecting through the left of the left portal (1 point) instead of going through the portal itself (2 points). It probably doesn't change much, but every bit helps, right?
a friend dropped a mirror from the "trash" after you are done with the ultimatum. I don't know if they drop better items then normal mobs, could be good to juice ultimatum in the next league
I got 5 mirrors in the past 7 years, i do at least 5k juiced maps every league (20maps/h 6h/day+), at 3k mobs per map thats 1 mirror per 84m kills or ~30k maps avg for me
Thanks for the information and large sample size. I'm hoping you have just been unlucky.
Are you talking about full mirror drops or also including shard drops that amounted to the total?
I heard that raw Mirror can drop from Feared encounter, saw it on reddit here and there, and might be true - might be fake, dunno
Its real and surprisingly common
I would guess it would be pretty hard to come to an accurate probability without community compiling numbers. Someone could farm The Feared a whole league and not come to conclusive evidence. I would guess farming 100% deli is better per hour by a decent amount, but The Feared is best location if you are want to do bossing.
I got 3-4 mirror shards during kalandra doing kalandra lake with the harbinger on the 10+ slot
I played since closed beta... I have yet to find a mirror. best I got was the 7 years of bad luck card.... 3000+ hours in the game. I am playing it way too casual.
Gonna need to bump up those kill per hour. 26 million kill aint gonna happen in your hideout. :)
I got a mirror from a treasure chest after defeating the eternal lab, first one on the right.
what about sanctum?
I'm focus on "dropping" a mirror. As in mapping content. There are several league mechanics that you can do to get a mirror. Sanctum, ritual, ancestor.
its all rng, i got one while leveling my second character from white mob(blackguard) in act 3 lol
that's insane
Would love to know the mageblood drop rate also
50/50. It either drops or it doesn't. Or roughly 1200-1500 juiced maps with magic find gear.
I just dont have much luck :c even farming with 100q/500irr im barely dropping anything better than 5div worth
Email Chris or buy more MTX for better luck. Or just keep grinding. Something will drop after 10 million kills.
interesting data but I have a request
what about you farm with fresh account no stash tabs at all and do this statistic (2000 maps)?
well this is because my friend playing ToTa at rank 1300 geting more Loot than me at 1000 rank we are in the similar builds
his is getting mirrors, divines, and all the big currency and I am just getting chaos and vaal orbs
if you say oooh this is just luck, I dont think so my friend is asking me to sell his stuff meanwhile he doesnt have a single
premium tab, what about GGG assign accounts to be more "lucky" in drops than other with some premium and quad tabs
I disagree with your assumption. Chris plays fair. If they wanted to mess around with the economy, they would just sell mirrors to RMT websites.
I dropped an 8 stack in blight ravaged this league
Ty for information and confirming large stacks can drop from blight.
why do you take shaping the mountains and shaping the skies in your atlas tree are they actually worth the 6 points?
Because I want to self sustain maps. If you buy maps, you can take other nodes.
you seem to be saying you dropped a mirror, in the third map of a league, with a date for this latest league.. but you have recombinator, 250+ divs, 2500 chaos.. 300 deli orbs, and full gear, mageblood etc - so you were actually in standard right? or am i confused
3rd day of league just means 3rd day of league. Doesn't mean in league. Yes, I was testing currency methods in standard. All data in video is using prices from in league tho.
@@Path_of_Chigurh Kinda confusing to mention league in any way, when you are playing standard. But it seems you meant to say day instead of map in the video, so it makes a little more sense I suppose.
@@Devellaro When a league launches, a lot of things in standard change too. New farming methods, updated old league mechanics, new passive tree changes. League launch isn't just the new league and new league mechanic. Partly agree with you.
I found a mirror shard farming tuejn logbooks (while rerolling exotic coins)
I have seen a clip of this being an option. I need someone to use 10,000 rerolls to find the odds of it though.
Dropped my first mirror yesterday lvling I’m 5 lvls above where I should be so idk how many kills that is but lunar lvl 1 act 8
I dropped a mirror along with a doedre unique flask from a random rare in a t11 map. I fucking lost it
few days ago i drop 2 mirrors full mirrors in stack from breachstone
Hmmm. That is interesting. I would guess it was from a currency conversion mob. I have gotten 3 divines from them, but 2 mirrors. Wow. Gratz.
Even if my says is not a proof, back in 3.9 I was farming simulacrum non stop till 3.12 i find in a group play session 6-7 mirror shard(i don't remember) in a single simulacrum reward, never droped mirror shard again, nor mirror. but this super duper rare, since i have farmer other 2K simulacrum and loot only 7 mirror shard ( still no voices 1 XDD).
This sounds accurate from my numbers. Farming anything but specifically harbinger deli orbs will take an obscene amount of time to get large amounts of mirror shards.
Target farming a t-2 currency
When youre looking to bang a 10, sometimes you bang some 7s along the way.
This has no doubt been talked to death in the comments, but on the subject of potential mirror farming options;
1. The Feared - I don't know of any good data sources, but the hearsay I've heard put it at something like 1 in 800 to 1 in 1000 feared invitations per mirror. This is obviously difficult to gather data on since each feared requires spending a bunch of time witnessing other bosses and it could be affected by how the invite is rolled.
2. Ritual - I keep hearing from Ritual farmers that most of the value is in a tiny amount of good drops - including relatively good odds at hitting a mirror. Again this is hearsay, but I'm sure some people have been testing this one in the background. No idea if the data are out in the wild though.
If the Feared is 1 in 1,000, that would put the raw Mirror at roughly 1 Divine Per hour since it takes so long to run each rotation.
Ritual use to be the best place to farm mirror until it got nerfed. I don't know what the odds are now.
Guess i should've been doing 5 million kills instead of helping ppl with their builds during my 14000 hour career so far cuz I haven't seen a single shard drop even
Some people saw it in tota this league, maybe it is the way? Getting any data on that is impossible i think
Yeh. This video is more focused on "dropping" a mirror, but you can get mirrors from multiple different league mechanics.
Got a mirror shard 2 leagues ago from the beachhead map. Also a friend told me feared invitation can drop mirrors. Does anyone know if that is true?
Yeah feared has one of the highest chance to drop a mirror
Me and 1 friend has both dropped a mirror from The Feared. Don't remember what mods or anything but im pretty sure both had high quantity since we always do min maxed builds
Did you and friend spam farm Feared whole league? Of all mobs in the game, I would agree The Feared probably has the highest chance of dropping mirror. Makes sense.
I think both of us did around 250-300 Feared each, Maybe less but not 100% sure.@@Path_of_Chigurh
and my friend run less than 100 sanctum and got his first mirror
TLDR: Juice Maps, Run Maps.
Harbinger Deli Orbs
btw, guys, after conversation in comments bellow i finally drop a mirror =)
UPD: i drop a second one xD
2 mirrors on 5m kills per season is avg crazy
i playing since beta (fellshire endgame) and to active Overall for all the years
and im kind of the ho is lava guy
looting bout 50-100 divs/ex per season, hardly depend on how long i play and mf/no mf
and up to date no mirror
but like 10 hhs over the years
The past 3 leagues have been lucky for sure, but 2 mirrors in 57 million kills doesn't seem super lucky from my numbers. I would guess top 20% tho.
ive had an average of 10m kills per league for over 10 leagues now, most of it has been high quant/packsize card farming, i've dropped 3 total mirror shards from harbingers. no raw mirror, and only 1 HH.
honestly, the highs in this game are starting to be too far apart for me now.
and the lows just keep getting lower.
im at a point where, unless is HH/MB or an Apothecary, it just doesnt even feel like a rewarding drop.
think its time to give up this rng slot machine that obviously doesnt like me.
Yeh. I think a lot of people are in the same boat. I really enjoyed Godtouched farming in 3.19 for this reason.
yeah sounds like time for a detox atleast sir :D
never drop a mirror\mirror shard in my 3.5k hrs. Today got 1 MS from Alva's Temple t3 wealth of vaal room. idk is it my bad luck or they drop by 1 (non-stack)
10k hours here , no raw drop mirror or HH or MB , only got mb from ancient orb rolling and voidborn key.
I see a lot of people measuring number of mirrors by gametime, but I think this will create an extremely wide variance as some farming methods with little mob count will be much worse for large drops. For example, in 3.21 I farmed 1,000 metamorph maps with only around 800 mobs each map and I did a ton of hideout crafting, so even though I played 3.21 the most out of any league, I likely didn't have the highest chance of dropping a mirror.
I got 5 mirrors in the past 7 years, i do at least 5k juiced maps every season (20/h 6h/day+)
@@invirtua Damn. We got a true gamer here. Keep up the juicing Sir.
@@Path_of_Chigurh I don't think mob kills is important in my scenario bcs I dropped 0 from mobs, only 1 MS from chest (is it considered a chest?). So I just spread info about MS drop source. I visited only 2 wealth of vaal rooms this league and my overall info didn't bring any usefull statistics here. I see your point about Gametime vs Mobkill and I totally agree with it, ty for your content
Would be interestinf to combine this with kirac memory for harbies (you can still ake the maps 100% delirious), so you maximise the harbi rewards even further
Memories don't use the atlas tree. Right? The atlas tree gives us like a billion mobs.
Test the memory strat and tell me your results.
Got a raw mirror drop in 80% deli map this league, my first one ever.
Then two weeks later proceeded to see 2 more raw mirror rewards in sanctum within a period of only an hour. Got one of them but unfortunately failed to get the other because i choked..
I just need a build to run these maps 100% delirium without much money invested 😅😂
The cheapest for how strong it is is probably ignite prolif vortex elementalist.
@@Path_of_Chigurh going to try, ty
@@bard634 have a pob?
Didnt the game report drop a whole mirror in blight?
I asked him if he dropped any mirror shards in blight. He said no. I didn't ask about full mirror drops.
@@Path_of_Chigurh yea no shards but he dropped 20 shards combined xd
@@javei2855 Yeh. I already know that full mirror can drop anywhere as it is not linked to harbinger.
@@Path_of_Chigurh If you go on his stream he has a compilation of his multiple mirror drops with video support.
@@Axthenon I'm talking about the possibility of dropping multi mirror shards in blight. I don't care if he has dropped a mirror while mapping x2.
Damn, imagine making so detailed video and making such a blunder of saying 100% delirium gives 50% quantity bonus. I know that's what wiki says but it was already tested by many people including myself - and you can test it too, that delirium gives no quantity bonus to non-delirium monsters on map whatsoever.
Show me a video or post detailing the test results.
So when Empyrian's group farms for the past several leagues in 100% deli, they are dumb too?
@@Path_of_Chigurh I mean, not to offend anyone but Empyrian's group does a lot of strange things and their split results are not great. Never seen them actually testing 0 vs 100 deli, they just assume it's much better. Delirium adds deli mobs thought so if you can do it effortlessly, why not. You can test deli quant easily in a matter of hours by counting the number of lowest tier divination cards per map on 0 vs 100 deli on juiced maps. One more way is how initially diminishing returns of item quantity were tested - you kill map boss in a map with 0 vs 100 deli and count the number of items (usually rares) that boss drops. On average it's something like 7-8 rare items and this number doesn't get affected by deli at all. Although when you roll lots of quant in the map with wandering path and quantity on a character, this number can easily get to 25-40 items. You can just kill 10 bosses with 0 vs 10 bosses with 100 deli to see no difference, 50% more quant is a lot to be unnoticeable
@@andrewdnistriansky3719 Sounds like you don't have any quantitative data. Go do some testing and come back with exact numbers.
I just ran 0% and 100% and it dropped 9 items and 12 items. 33% Loot increase which is inline with diminishing returns. Small sample size obv, but I'm not going to do large scale testing.
@@Path_of_Chigurh Just ran 5 maps with 0 and 5 maps with 100 deli, no quant on character, scoured maps, no altars. Still low sample size but I did this before and results are same, no difference.
Screenshots of boss drops: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AITvfsv60YScZj6qdZeMQ4Hqt_UQwF5vrQD6-1CcZ3Y
Also, I believe diminishing returns affects only item quantity from the character. 100% quantity on the map itself should double the loot
I respect the amount of analysis but for me - this looks like - better to farm divines and buy mirror from one of those lucky bastards :)
Agree
Ehyyaand
What?
I think he had a stroke
mirror drop depends not only player personal stats, it depends also by another player and global server stats. it also applicable to t0 unique. Its easy to understand. GGG cant overgenerate mirrors, mageblood and other t0 uniq. Low % chance to obtain valuable loot isnt index of true drop, thats why someone get mirror in act 7 with 5 mobs on locatition and other player cant get it with 3500 mobs per map with high invest.
So true calculation must include hidden global loot generations.
GGG never give us this info, but im 100% sure this is true, it must be true.
Sounds a little tin foil, but I could see GGG adjusting drop rates to fit an "acceptable" drop rate for number of players. In either scenario, more mobs and faster maps wins out.
@@Path_of_Chigurh YES, when you run more and fast maps you have increased chance to aim good drop window where GGG decide generate t0 or mirror
I really don’t think that with the 8 developers they have working on POE 1, they have the resources to adjust drop rates on the fly like this lol
@@sirannonable lol this is system that coded many years ago. ofc they did not do it with hands in real time =D this is dev, write once - optimize later.
@@sirannonableIts already confirmed that they adjust map drops at the start of every league in the past, after few hours we already start to see more maps, guess we're just unlucky and for don't know why - after patch people start to see more maps in avg, just coincidence Clueless
130 seven years 1 raw hh, 1 raw mb, 24 apo drop so far still no mirror 🥲
one bad thing about using snu's data is he doesnt take into account duplicated cards and currency, which throws the math off a lot
Disagree. If it throws it off, it is by 10% max, which is totally fine since we are just trying to determine 1-2 standard deviations from reality.