What a dumb intro. "Is it possible to breed the savage out of the beast?" Uhhh, that's where dogs and cats come from, humans took wild animals and bred them to be more docile.
***** In this particular experiment, they did it with foxes in less than 50 years. Other slower breeding mammals would take longer. Personally, I'd love to see a domesticated lion.
+Hugh Hughes I work at a zoo and we have a few lions and tigers that are domesticated. They love people. They act like a huge house cat. They even try to rub up against there trainer's.
Jaisa MCclain That's not really domesticated. That's tame. I wouldn't really trust those lions/tigers around my children. The process to domesticate animals is pretty simple though, pick the tamest specimens of the species you can find, breed them, pick the tamest of the offspring and breed them, and repeat the process generation after generation until you have a reliably docile breed. Just like domesticated dogs, cats, horses, etc, there would be physical changes that come with the domestication process. Lions would make a good pet IMO because they are social animals (unlike most other species of cats that are solitary). I imagine a domesticated lion would be more like a dog (also a social animal) than a housecat (whose origins are that of solitary wildcats). After a [long] while, you could even have different breeds of domesticated lions with unique features, giant lions, miniature lions, black lions, brown lions, etc.
+Amy al That would be a mistake. Just encourages more and more breeding. If they don't sell any then they go out of business. Anyone that buys from these assholes supports the conditions the foxes live in.
In all honesty, foxes are the least aggressive of the canine family. They are less likely to attack you than a dog. They are very skiddish though and will attack if cornered or provoked (like dogs). But they will more than likely run rather than attack. I don't like that the foxes are kept in small cages in this video, but they seem healthier than puppy mills here in the US. I have ALWAYS loved foxes and want one, but I will wait until I know I can properly take care of one. I do not suggest that people go and buy these foxes unless they have educated themselves on fox behavior. They may be domesticated, but like dogs, they will have ancestral instincts. This way, the owner will know if the dog is sick, hurt, happy, upset, etc.
The thing is these foxes have been domesticated through severl generations, if you left them outside the cage they would most likely die within a short period of time. They have no sense of a wild fox anymore, they are not tame they are completely domesticated.
But look at dogs. They have been domesticated for many millennia. I have seen dogs run in packs, circle their toys, and show dominance over one another. They are faint hints of ansatrial instincts but nevertheless they are still there. Any animal that has been domesticated and left outside could die, sad but true. Though there are others that leave and wonder. Those animals will begin to scavenge for food and hunt once they become too tired or hungry.
Well that's purely logic that one shows dominance over another when they still have a personality.. It's not ancestral instincts for a dog to have a personality, they are not suppossed to be freaking lovie dovie zombies you know.
Aw but lovie dovie is the best. I know animals have personality. I have a house full of animals with personality and I love it. I'm just saying that you never know. And it would still be wise to research any animal that one is considering having as a pet.
+Merchaant Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
why did they not talk about the Russian geneticist Dmitry belyaev who was hired by the fox farm to create the first generations of tame foxes? They wanted a more tame Fox to be easier to deal with for the fur industry, however when breeding for tameness it directly affects the adrenal glands and thus subsequently affects the pigment of the fur which made it useless to the fur industry but created a very reliably safe and fun pet. This is all important information that they should have included
Yes, I was looking for this information! These are not "wild" foxes at all, and in fact couldn't even survive in the wild. The BBC did an amazing article on this - www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160912-a-soviet-scientist-created-the-only-tame-foxes-in-the-world?ocid=fbert
For out pleasure they are great animals. Ideally they'd be left alone totally, not domesticated. The best you can do for any animal is to leave it be. But yeah/ I'd totally want a fox. I am human.
Mark Moore That's a messed up reason to domesticate. Zoos use the same argument. It's all about entertaining humans, not about extinction of the animals.
Mark Moore Let's address the fur and fascist hunting practices, HARD. To take a fox in your home so another can effective shoot the next and wear is a lazy way to care IMO. These fox farms just found a way to profit more that with merely shooting/farming for fur.
These imported domestic foxes from Russia are not only expensive, they are also neutered to prevent founding new colonies overseas. That will forever keep prices high, and gene pools small. If you really want to domestic the fox (the way the wolf/dog was domesticated over 30,000 years ago), you have to allow them to reproduce and spread, and not monopolize the market.
sinder wolf Interesting, and kind of too bad. Why should the wolf (dog) be the only domestic canid in the world? I think it would be nice to have domestic foxes around, too, assuming they are properly cared for.
Suhe Bator LOL ... my children are only as domesticated as my wife and I are. :) Seriously, though, wolves and dogs are my favorite animals, but I think it's cool that there are domestic foxes around, too.
Have you ever seen how commercial chicken or hog farms operate? How about people who raise rabbits in cages for the market? Of course we don't eat foxes now do we? But they are animals none the less.
Salpeteroxid That's the only way to go. If you can raise your own meat, eggs, and vegetables its a lot healthier. Rabbit is very good in my opinion only if you know they are farm raised or wild ones. To many GMO feeds fed to store bought meat.
Larry342516 GMO is banned in my country, also antibiotics are banned and only used on animals that really needs it not as a prevention. My aunt had rabbits, but they were to be sold as pets, she doesn't have them anymore but I don't think I could've asked her to give one to me for cooking ^^
Salpeteroxid We need the same laws here in the US. Hard to believe the FDA allows cancer causing GMO's to be sold. But, the big chemical and pharmaceutical companies are paying to have their products approved. Our government sits back and does nothing to control the FDA. I hope some day things change here. Take care.
Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
soVia I am sorry what? Humans are born omnivorous which means we eat meat as well as plants we are not abusing animals we are just surviving off our diet given to us by Mother Nature
Last year I went down to Georgia to see my brother graduate from basic training in the national guard. Honestly can't remember which state, but I stopped off at a rest area with a dog walking park and met a guy with a pet fox named Tails. He said he bought him from Russia for close to $10,000 and that 2 years later it was one of his favorite decisions he's ever made. Tails acted like 80% dog and 20% cat and he was perfect. I've wanted one ever since.
Hmmm, turn foxes into pets and lavish them with attention and love...? Or throw them in fur farms to kill them just to make a coat? I would rather have a pet fox. Besides, life in the wild isn't 'freedom', and having them as pets isn't 'cruelty and enslavement'. Life in the wild is all about the constant struggle for survival, which is natural, yes. But many foxes are killed by predators or by natural diseases (because that's the wild for you). Honestly, the cute little buggers are better off as adorable pets...
Indeed a fox is very lucky if it even reaches 3-4 years. And this is basicly the case with almost any animal. Its rare to see an old specimen even more rare seeing one dead from old age.
Ashema Bahumat Sooo, we should release our cats and dogs into the wild? We're not talking about a person here, they have no sense of 'self' like we do.
MayFlower Ann Did I say that? I mean, they can live without us just fine, albeit struggling in an urban environment. I just refuse to look at it with the "They're better off this way" attitude since its literally wrong- they can do fine without us outside of hunting restrictions. And I think them having personalities, being capable of love, and being able to solve/plan out situations shows that there's enough awareness and intelligence there to give them more credit than you did.
These are not wild animals, and they would never survive in the wild if they were to be released. They have been domesticated for generations. The money raised from the sale of pet domesticated foxes helps fund this centre and its scientific research. Biologists have already learned a great deal about the process of domestication from the work being done here.
Uh, these foxes aren't exactly "wild" anymore since they behave and almost look like dogs. I don't really see what's wrong here, yeah it's not right to take an animal out of its habitat and put it in a cage, but it's better to be sent there rather than getting killed and be stuffed and used as a fur coat or rug. Think about it, dogs, cats, cows, pigs, chickens, sheep and goats were all once wild animals too so I don't see what's wrong with trying to domesticate other wild animals. It's better for them to be accepted as a family member rather than as a pest that needs to be exterminated...
noname144able Um how are you saving them? They aren't endangered and it's not like by domesticating them your doing them a favor. They are doing this in Russia, not the US, so your not saving American foxes by domesticating them.
no they are behaving like a dog who's spent their whole life in a puppy mill & has no social skills. Amazing that people will pay 8 grand for a wild animal that acts like a dog from a shelter who's spent their whole life in a cage themselves.
***** they were never on the endangered list... do you even read anything before responding? How are you saving them exactly? They spend their whole lives in cages to then go to some rich person who could've just bought an anti social puppy mill dog to save. And this is Russia, not America this is being done. So how are you saving American foxes exactly?
It only seems cruel at first, you just have to give it time. I'm pretty sure if you were to go back in time, you would say the same thing about humans domesticating dogs and cats. Would you rather let them let loose in the wild and be used as a fur coat or a trophy? Or would you rather let them be sold and at least be accepted as a pet? I think it's not right to keep them in cages as small as those seen in the video, but I would rather let them live longer in those said cages rather than them getting shot and be used as the next fashion statement. People like you should give up on your fantasies where animals are left alone in the wild and humans love and protect them because it's not gonna happen. Life is not like a disney movie where everything is kind, friendly, gentle and happy all the time. You should realize that letting them be in the wild won't save them anymore. We humans have done enough damage to the planet and its wilderness that protecting them is not enough since there are a lot of people out there who kill them illegally one way or another either for accessory purposes or money making purposes either way, it's much worse than putting them in a cage and not to mention that we are slowly destroying forests, so letting them live in the wild will only save them for a moment until their habitat is destroyed after a few years to make way for cities or villages
I would never get one, but assuming I did & I walked it down the streets of NYC, someone somewhere will walk by with a fox coat & say "Aww, so cute! Can I pet him?" & I'll say "can I pet them, too?"
it isn't bad to kill an animal for its fur. we have been doing it since we figured we needed clothes to keep warm. the problem is that people are killing them needlessly. like to make a scarf that they will wear once or twice. or other useless things like miniature handbags that cost tens of thousands. taking their fur humanly and for very good reason is fine in my opinion but when we kill them as a way to show we are rich it crosses the line.
Kutoki oi you just said " it isn't bad to kill an animal for its fur. " actually it IS wrong. people don't KILL sheep for their wool! they only shave them because they will be too hot in the summer anyway. But killing is NOT an option.
ok, then we needed their skin. I'm not an expert but the killing of animals has played a key role in the survival of man kind. but with the technology of this day and age it isn't necessary. Tbh id much rather live with nature in peace with no killing and infinite peace. but that isnt a possibility.
All this talk about how they're wild animals makes me think, weren't dogs at one point wild wolves and soon bred to be tame? Why can't the same go for a fox?
thats actually exactly what the video said... lol but besides the point of that question. Don't you think humans own enough? when do we call it quits? when do we just let animals be animals and live and evolve the way they are meant to? Isn't it enough we hardly have wolves anymore but we have an over population of dogs? isn't it enough that we have snatched wild parrots out of the forest to put them in cages and clip their wings so they can never fly? i mean seriousl humans are so greedy. thinking everything on earth BELONGS to us. its sad and i want to cry. i wish people would just go get a cute little dog like a sheltie or something and be happy with it. what do we want a fox for anyways? just to be flashy?
It's not like they have to be domesticated or socialized. There are plenty of dogs that need a good home, especially working dog breeds (sleed dogs, hunting dogs, guard dogs, etc.) that serve a purpose other than to simply amuse the owner.
I see what your saying. I mean a pet fox would be freaking awesome, but I don't like the idea of them in cages their entire lives unless their sold. There are enough dogs doomed to that fate already.
For all the people that say that this is "inhumane" "cruel" or "stupid", I have a question for you. If you went back in time to the time when people where domesticating dogs, would you stop them? If you say yes, then that would radically change history and possibly ruin lives. If you said no, then you're a hypocrite. This is the same as when people domesticated dogs or cats, only this time humans are trying to make this happen. That is nearly the only reason, and the other ones are insignificant other than now, there isn't much wild left for the animals.
well i doubt that the cromagnam caveman would even understand what we'd be saying anyways. But if you went back to the beginning of slavery would you think you could change their mind about how wrong it is? In any case, people domesticated dogs back during caveman times and in my dog training studies as well as my wildlife and forestry background, its likely that it was mutualy beneficial for wild dogs and humans. Wild dogs followed around humans to pick up bones and scraps from hunting parties and inadvertently led to dog working for humans protecting them from other predators and other enemies. Now we have dogs that herd, hunt, protect, sniff out bombs, work with humans and they thoroughly love what they do. I don't see a fox being any type of working animal and I prefer working breeds because I hunt, have livestock and tend to do more hunting/gathering then just letting my pet get fat and lazy like most humans do. Cats I don't have any use for, but there again cats were domesticated by fat rich people who needed an exotic animal, just like these rich people need an exotic animal like a tiger or lion or fox... The backstory to this domestication of foxes is that they started breeding foxes for the fur and decided they could make money on also selling live foxes.So no, as a dog trainer and someone with a degree in conservation and fish and wildlife, I can't say I'm a fan of this.
even so, domestication of dogs and cats happened over thousands of years. foxes were never domesticated until about 60 years ago. it takes more than 6 decades to completely domesticate a species, and it is a delicate and fragile process that just cannot occur naturally anymore. that is why i feel it is wrong to domesticate wild animals. dogs were used for hunting and protection, as well as companionship, but that was a bonus. foxes are adopted as exotic pets that most people just want to show off and they end up not being able to care for them properly. then it's the rescues and refuges that shoulder the burden
Caner Toprakoğlu A large number of dog breeds suffer physical modifications that have negative impacts on their health. Dogs with squished faces, for example, are prone to breathing difficulties. Also, MANY dogs bred for pets are still kept in cages, plenty worse than those conditions the foxes were shown to have in this video. I don't agree with the whole "domesticating foxes solely for pets" thing...but don't kid yourself...cruel things are still happening to dogs on a daily basis because of human wants too.
There's a dude back in my hometown that actually did that believe it or not. I don't know if he necessarily rides it, but I've seen pictures of him with it with a saddle on so maybe.
***** That's tamed, not domesticated. These foxes are domesticated, in that they were bred specifically for docile behavior and are genetically distinct from their wild counterparts.
Actually I have just found an article that states Ron was only tame, but not domesticated: www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/fyi-domesticated-foxes Considering his bringing up and the conditions he was kept in, it sounds reasonable. Ron was not really a pet, but a friend of the owner, a playmate. I have never seen him in the owner's arms, or hugged, or anything too constraining.
gladitsnotme by well socialised you mean very casual in their thieving ways. x3 Also it's not comparable, Russia was experimenting. Japan was just being Japan and thought that a cat and deer village wasn't enough.
+gladitsnotme Those foxes are still wild. You cannot train them. You cannot take two of them get them home and train them like dogs, and start a company which sells 'trained foxes that act just like dogs'. Russia did something amazing there in my opinion.
***** not really... Domesticating an animal isn't an amazing feat. Our ancestors have been doing it for centuries. It's simple controlled breeding, selecting for preferred traits in each generation.
***** It's not that amazing, it only takes a few decades. You can likely domesticate any mammal within a few generations, though there's no reason to do it because even a domesticated animal can get agreesive. It's safer to do it with foxes than say a Siberian tiger.
Also, fun fact: not mentioned in this video, in the same experiment the Soviets also bred all the most undesirable traits into another group of foxes, creating a group of hyper-aggressive, bloodthirsty foxes. Because what's a Soviet science experiment without a cartoonishly sinister, mostly pointless, side to it? But hey, domesticated foxes: incredible what science can do.
I have mixed feelings. I would rather see them have a lovely life then as part of a coat. However, what is best for these beautiful animals is freedom in the wild.
I understand where you are coming from but they are actually domesticated foxes (50 year experiment that started in the USSR) so that would be like saying, domestic dogs deserve to live in the wild. These foxes are basically man's best friend part 2
I do not feel they should have never been domesticated in the first place. Especially when their lives start out so bleak and in cages. That is what I am saying.
Carrina H The alternative for their wild cousins is a very rough and tough existence. It is survival through reasonable fear that keeps them away. I think a lot of those animals are going stir crazy locked up. Obviously for breeding only. :( Family life and love is tough on animals too. A good reason why they wander so they only look forward. The face you see with me is that of a part feral local wild cat, who was family to us. We weaned him. Vets were terrified of him. He learned to use commands in English and his later days learned of loss when the tabby next door died, After that only watched, let other animals, (birds etc.) to hop around him in the garden as he basked there. He gave up life a month after my dad died. He knew when I told him "Grandad. All gone". He simply dropped his head, turned around, went under the stairs and just collapsed, he only came out to occasionally eat and go outside to the toilet.
"I would rather see them have a lovely life then as part of a coat." sounds like you'd rather see them have a lovely life and _then_ end up as a coat. I know what you mean though.. it was just ironic and mildly amusing. : )
many people think this is cruel. Those people probably also don't realize, that if humanity didn't do this to wolves, we wouldn't have dogs. And dogs are great.
I dont think having foxes as pets is cruel IF you do it right. It`d definitely be better than making fur coats out of them. What i do think is that it is wrong how this farm breeds them. Its extremly cruel to keep them in these tiny cages for so long.
If you research a story litle deeper. Well those foxes doesnt live in a "farm" it's and territory of Genetic Science Research center. And they don't have enough space to keep all of them probably. They researching a way that dogs became domesticated from wolves. And they have three groups of foxes. "Agressive" also selected as a control "wild" group and less agressive (domesticated line). Those foxes who born in domesticated line not only more friendly but more likely to reproduce near to human. Thats why they are selling them. They dont have enough space to keep all the foxes. Thats sad of cource but those animals dont grown for sale. They are part of science research.
I was born and raised in Florida, Been having "Wild Pets" all my life. You can tame all animals some, but you got to know, they are still animals with survival instincts God put in them!!
This is terrible... Wild animals belong in the WILD! People need to stop trying to tame them and keep them as "pets". Wild animals can never be tamed and never should be! It's just plain greedy... Ugh, this just makes me sick. Those poor foxes... The breeding and selling of exotic pets needs to stop!
Dogs used to be wild animals and pretty much every animal used to be wild until we decided to domesticate it. You say wild animals belong in the wild. Well, many many many years ago, that part of land that used to be your house was barren and considered to be "the wild". Having an "Exotic pet" such as a fox isn't bad and greedy. People as humans were greedy and took land from animals homes. It is only a matter of time til some of us want foxes to be welcomed on their once existing homes
***** How is that not greedy? You're taking them from their homes and acting like you own them or something. Sorry, but I do not believe humans have the right to "domesticate" any other species. And yes, I know dogs used to be wild, but that was hundreds of years ago and there's nothing we can do about that now. Well, I mean, there are feral dogs out there who live just fine in the wild... But some dogs might not. They're used to the house life and living around humans. But these foxes act differently from dogs. In this video, they're talking like if you buy one of these foxes they'll be just like a dog, but that's not true. People should just get dogs and cats for companions and not wild animals. The exotic pet trade is terrible. They take baby animals from their mothers and other things like that. Some exotic pets they sell to people are endangered animals like the slow loris. But people just want them because they're cute and want to show them off like they're some sort of new purse or something. It's disgusting.
Destiny Torres I don't want to be selfish. Only worrying about yourself is selfish. I'm worried about the foxes because what these people are doing to them is cruel. It's just like puppy mills. They're the ones being negative. It's the video that's not positive, not me.
All animals that have been domesticated were wild once, the same is true about these foxes. They are domesticated, not wild and not tame, been bread for over 60 years. They are genetically different than wild foxes they would not survive in the wild. And how is taking care of a domestic fox as a pet, being loved who generally want to be around people, a bad thing? Would you rather these foxes end up as fur for clothes, because thats what would and dose happen. And saying that it shouldn't happen dose not mean a damn thing. So having these foxes as pets and maybe making people think twice about buying a fox skin coat is a good thing.
+Walter Black No, not entirely true, it's a little ignorant to say all wolves will kill you, you'd just need to be a VERY good trainer it would still be dangerous and you you'd have to make an "alpha" impression. You could also get a low content wolf dog.
you could get a wolfdog ^^ You could be also interested in Kathryn Lord's study about why puppies are better tamed than wolf cubs: www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/lords-study-may-explain-why-wolves-are-forever-wild-dogs-can-be-tamed It says "why wolves are forever wild", but it contains an information, important for getting a wolf more used to humans :) Good luck in archieving your dream ^^
These animals were bred in captivity by fur farms way before the Russian experiment ever began. Cows don't do well living in the home environment, but we say they are domesticated,.
Beast? What complete and utter shit. Like any other dog or cat, give them enough love and attention they will care for you back. Dogs were not the same hundreds and thousands of years ago when they first met man. Therefore nothing is different now. Foxes can be a loving pet. I want one.
+techtalk Dogs descended from wolves. Same way as we descended from the first fish that learned how to walk. Don't correct him saying ancient dogs aren't wolves because technically they are.
This made me so sad. The poor foxes look so stressed in those cages. I hate people who insist on buying animals, especially ones who should be living in the wild.
Oh thank God. Because all of the animal shelters are closing due to lack of unwanted animals. We definitely need to domesticate wild exotic pets as vanity items for rich idiots. Good job.
zammmerjammer Yes, it's heartbreaking how many animals are put into the shelters every week, but the population of those animals is ever growing and will never be quelled. There's just too many. Yes, each shelter has a certain housing limit, but guess what? Those are not the only animals out there. There are several out roaming around from the back alleys to the forests in your backyard. If you want to adopt the whole animal shelter, I say go right ahead! I would applaud you for taking on such a task. Stop sitting there behind and a desk telling people that they are a major factor in this problem and get proactive about how you feel. By the way, I understanding your feelings on the matter, but I've always wanted a fox as a pet even since I was little.
I'm part of an animal rescue org have had 6 foster cats in the past year, so I AM "out there taking on the task" actually. And I always wanted a pet wolf, but even as a child I knew that was a pipe dream. What's beautiful about those animals is that they're wild.
All your dogs and cats were wild once. I don't see anything wrong in domesticating a wild animal to become a pet. I understand there is overpopulation of dogs and cats, which is wrong in every specie. These foxes are beautiful and I would buy one. When they are killed for a coat, people don't like it, when they are sold as pets, people don't like it. you'll always complain about something....
Even normal foxes are nice and easy to tame, especially if raised by humans. Of course I guess it's even safer and easier with those domesticated breeds. To me, the real mistery is : why hasn't fox domestication been common like with dogs and cats ?
+Thoben Carnex No one should be supporting this cruel industry. At least they are not being skinned alive for coats like millions of other foxes, but buying from these assholes just encourages more and more breeding. Don't buy them, they don't make any money and they go out of business.
The fox you bought is tame, not domesticated. It still has wild blood in it, and it not genetically changed over time like the foxes from the institute of cytology and genetics in Novosibirsk, Russia. There is only several of those foxes in the U.S.
How interesting.... It never occurred to me that foxes could be domesticated like this.... I wonder if Raccoon Dogs can do the same thing. The stages of domestication are fascinating.
This doesn't set well with me , for some reason I feel worst about this than I do seeing tamed lions , I think it's because I can sense that these foxes seem like they still don't like it domesticated & all . Even the big cats seem to adapt but these foxes don't seem to be adapting they don't appear comfortable , the lions & tigers basically still trample the humans so they seem cool but this seems a bit over bearing for these foxes not that lions & tigers need to be lounging around in the narrow hall way that leads to the living room either .
Tame and domesticated are two very different things. One is strictly about learned behavior, while the other is genetic. Domestication only occurs to a population of animals, across numerous generations. This is no different from the artificial selection performed on farm animals or domestic dogs and cats. It could be argued that it's more humane than either, since they're breeding for temperament and not for appearance. Google "Russian silver fox experiment" for details on how it was carried out. These animals are not as thoroughly domesticated as cats and dogs, but they're still a long way away from their wild ancestors. They also found dramatic and unexpected phenotypic changes as a by-product of breeding for temperament, like floppy ears, odd color morphs that wouldn't be adaptive in the wild (like black and white in cats and dogs), etc., in addition to shorter legs.
This has been a very patient experiment, I bet. Beautiful creatures. I'd only hope that they get the care they need. Certainly they're somewhat dog-like, but foxes are still not dogs too. I imagine more and more behaviour study will come out of it, though, and people will take time to get to know the species. ^^ I look forward to it. I've also heard that they come out and check out your house and living situation, etc. They don't give the foxes to just anyone with a wallet full of cash.
On the one side I love how the recreated the domestication of a wild animal.On the other side I really don't like the small cages... Isn't it possible to sell these beautiful foxes to somebody who can afford to offer them more space while breeding them?
I've owned a pitbull, friend. And while he was lovable for a long time, he definitely began exhibiting more aggressive habits and we had to put him down. If you learn anything from this fox experiment, particulary the aggressive breed they raised, is that genes can affect behaviour, and some dogs have more aggressive genes than others.
This report is wrong. The Soviet experiment was not about understanding domestication, it was about breeding more placid foxes on the fur farm (that's what that farm was). The domestication study was accidental. The real interest came with the fact that after a couple of generations, the foxes started developing patchy coats, floppy ears and started barking and behaving like dogs, which was amazing because we had always thought genetic change was a slow and steady thing. It was surprising how quickly wild foxes turned into 'dogs', suggesting the same might be true of wolves (all domestic dogs are descended from grey wolves).
They're cute, but I wouldn't take my chances on purchasing one. If it ever hurt someone, I'd feel awful. Plus, I don't want someone's parents to sue the shit outta me because my fox bit their kid!
I don't think you've quite grasped the content in this video. These Foxes have been breed to be tame and docile for generations. They don't have a violent bone in their body and they're highly sociable. Even wild Foxes are not dangerous at all.
I had an arctic fox, he was born in capitivity, but he would never stop biting, even after years of owning him and never doing anything to provoke him. Finally gave him to someone else who figured she could tame him.
I wouldn't try that. The scientists on the domestication project created two breeds of foxes, the one you see here which is tame and a separate breed that's the opposite, bred to be absurdly aggressive to prove that it wasn't being close with humans that lead to domestication. Which was released to the wild when the experiment was over. Certain groups that sell these things can't tell or don't bother to check which of the two physically similar breeds they have before they sell.
***** My cat is in a shed with a hole in the side for entry and exiting as she wishes, my dog is in my home where he is happy and healthy. A tiny cage in fucking Siberia isn't a great life, is it.
***** the point was they took them out of nature and into a CAGE. They're lives have been made significantly worse by the actions of man. Not true about my dog and cat. Yes, thousands of years ago dogs became domesticated, doesn't mean i need to banish my dog from my home to not support locking up wild foxes in cages for very little gain in scientific knowledge.
I've never considered these animals to be truly dangerous ever since one approached me as a child and caused me no harm. It simply left and went about its business.
OF COURSE you can breed the 'savage' out of an animal. Have you people looked at your cats and dogs? They all came from wild sources, and they were all domesticated BY HUMANS. A tame fox and a domesticated fox are two completely different things.
My Grandfather had a little fox - "Linochka" in Poltava in the 1880's... Hunters brought the orphaned kit to his family estate at the time when my grandfather was just a little boy. Linochka slept with him in his bed... but as expected when time came for mating and Nature called, she left to the woods and never returned... Grandfather was totally heart broken, and remembered her all his life with great love and fondness... The fox is indeed an extremely smart animal and beautiful too!
+Caitlyn Joys Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
+Caitlyn Joys don't believe everything you see on the internet. Of course they aren't showing you the aggressive ones that they wind up putting down. It takes far more than a few generations to domesticate an animal.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that foxes are dogs too! They're in the same family. Dogs were wild animals once too and I don't see why we shouldn't be able to take care of and love a fox just like any other normal house pet. As long as you keep it in a good environment. I do have to say I disagree with those cages on the farm though. The poor thing trapped in small cages their whole life.
***** Then, pray tell, what were they domesticated from? Cats were domesticated in Egypt yes, but around the world as well. And I am pretty sure they didn't domesticate tigers and then the tigers shrank.
Since I can't reply to anyone thanks to Google+ crap... *A good way to know if an arctic, red, grey, fennec or any type of fox is legal where you live, is if they exist there already!* Look up "livingwithfoxes" blog on Tumblr. She's nice and will answer your specific questions on if a fox, and what type of fox, is legal in your state/city, and most importantly, how you can get one. *Few things to note, owning a fox is a challenge. It only acts somewhat like a dog, but lots of things are different. Do your research!*
dadeskr It seems to have ironed itself out since I posted that. Now it seems that I can only reply to certain people... Perhaps those who have not linked with Google+
but those foxes aren't domesticated. Their tamed, conditioned to be around specific people and to respect them, but they aren't domesticated. They don't actually like humans, or want to be around people.
Katie Sisk That's why people wan't them as little pups (/>_>)/. Especially if you are a dog lover and owner. We won't really buy full grown dogs unless we are planning to breed it, or if it's rare in our country. etc.
Not only do "Wild Animals" want to be around humans they prefer it. You think they want to just survive by hunting, being hunted? They do it because they have to, not because they want too! They also live longer, healthier lives. They also live in the now, not the future. Protect live stock, their owners and even other animals in the family not of their kind or species. They also teach humans how to treat each other. As nature is the best classroom for the job of teaching relationships, trust and honesty. Their not stupid by long shot.
If you live in UK you'l see it. If you want to you can gain a foxes trust by feeding it and eventually keep it as a pet. Doesn't take long either because they're smart animals and also very gentle.
"It's wrong to domesticate foxes! God and religions and morals beliefs blah blah" Me: but what about dogs and ca-" "SHUT UP THATS DIFFERENT BECAUSE GOD AND BLAH BLAH"
1cjtate No there are comments like that. It's been awhile and i don't remember which exact videos those comments are in. But you can find videos of domesticated foxes and someone will bring up how wrong it is and bring up religion. The most common one's are people saying they would kill it, how sad the fox looks because its not "with its kind", how cruel it is to force it into being a pet (what?) and so one. I have seen one's of people saying something along the lines of "they are wild animals, god never made them to be tamed" and so on. You just have to look for them
I saw the program, I believe it was part of a documentary about dog behavior and it had a clip about this breeding program in Russia. They showed rows of cages with really friend foxes that got so excited when a person came near their cage. I thought - I wonder what is going to happen to all of those friendly happy foxes - will they become coat? I'm so glad to see they are getting a chance.
would be ironic if fox news reported this
WOW
that would be awesome
no, just... no
haha!
They are too busy with Donald Trump and ISIS
What a dumb intro. "Is it possible to breed the savage out of the beast?" Uhhh, that's where dogs and cats come from, humans took wild animals and bred them to be more docile.
+Hugh Hughes Yeah, but when are they going to breed the savage out of human beings ?
+Mark harrison never.
***** In this particular experiment, they did it with foxes in less than 50 years. Other slower breeding mammals would take longer. Personally, I'd love to see a domesticated lion.
+Hugh Hughes I work at a zoo and we have a few lions and tigers that are domesticated. They love people. They act like a huge house cat. They even try to rub up against there trainer's.
Jaisa MCclain That's not really domesticated. That's tame. I wouldn't really trust those lions/tigers around my children. The process to domesticate animals is pretty simple though, pick the tamest specimens of the species you can find, breed them, pick the tamest of the offspring and breed them, and repeat the process generation after generation until you have a reliably docile breed. Just like domesticated dogs, cats, horses, etc, there would be physical changes that come with the domestication process. Lions would make a good pet IMO because they are social animals (unlike most other species of cats that are solitary). I imagine a domesticated lion would be more like a dog (also a social animal) than a housecat (whose origins are that of solitary wildcats). After a [long] while, you could even have different breeds of domesticated lions with unique features, giant lions, miniature lions, black lions, brown lions, etc.
I wish they weren't caged like that though.
their ancestors were actually rescued from being used as fur. so what is your problem? are you vegan?
They're caged like chickens.
BOOM DeadSH0T so what? foxes cant undesrstan the concept of freedom.
papermaniac Neither do people, its a concept thats as vague as religion.
Amen.
I'd buy one just to get it out of that cage
+Amy al we should buy every single of them
+Amy al That would be a mistake. Just encourages more and more breeding. If they don't sell any then they go out of business. Anyone that buys from these assholes supports the conditions the foxes live in.
+Amy al That's all? You wouldn't take care of it!? That's neglect!
balderdashery idiot
balderdashery G - If enough people have these foxes then they can breed their own...putting these bastards out of business.
In all honesty, foxes are the least aggressive of the canine family. They are less likely to attack you than a dog. They are very skiddish though and will attack if cornered or provoked (like dogs). But they will more than likely run rather than attack. I don't like that the foxes are kept in small cages in this video, but they seem healthier than puppy mills here in the US. I have ALWAYS loved foxes and want one, but I will wait until I know I can properly take care of one. I do not suggest that people go and buy these foxes unless they have educated themselves on fox behavior. They may be domesticated, but like dogs, they will have ancestral instincts. This way, the owner will know if the dog is sick, hurt, happy, upset, etc.
The thing is these foxes have been domesticated through severl generations, if you left them outside the cage they would most likely die within a short period of time. They have no sense of a wild fox anymore, they are not tame they are completely domesticated.
They have been breed out of their ancestral instincts for several years.
But look at dogs. They have been domesticated for many millennia. I have seen dogs run in packs, circle their toys, and show dominance over one another. They are faint hints of ansatrial instincts but nevertheless they are still there. Any animal that has been domesticated and left outside could die, sad but true. Though there are others that leave and wonder. Those animals will begin to scavenge for food and hunt once they become too tired or hungry.
Well that's purely logic that one shows dominance over another when they still have a personality.. It's not ancestral instincts for a dog to have a personality, they are not suppossed to be freaking lovie dovie zombies you know.
Aw but lovie dovie is the best. I know animals have personality. I have a house full of animals with personality and I love it. I'm just saying that you never know. And it would still be wise to research any animal that one is considering having as a pet.
Foxes are basically cats and dogs combined.
+Merchaant indeed XD
+Merchaant well, it's more like a dog because of the nose and nails.
+Merchaant "foxes has nothing to do with cats, except both are mammals and predators
Foxes are my favourite animals, because they're like both Cats and Dogs ! :3
+Merchaant Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
why did they not talk about the Russian geneticist Dmitry belyaev who was hired by the fox farm to create the first generations of tame foxes? They wanted a more tame Fox to be easier to deal with for the fur industry, however when breeding for tameness it directly affects the adrenal glands and thus subsequently affects the pigment of the fur which made it useless to the fur industry but created a very reliably safe and fun pet. This is all important information that they should have included
Yes, I was looking for this information! These are not "wild" foxes at all, and in fact couldn't even survive in the wild. The BBC did an amazing article on this - www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160912-a-soviet-scientist-created-the-only-tame-foxes-in-the-world?ocid=fbert
andrewesquivel reliably safe a fun? Are they more safe than a regular dog?
andrewesquivel he migth even have sabotage it himself too
Thats cruel even in islam thats forbidden
National Geographic article too
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Title is misleading, these foxes have the wild bred out of them.
They're as domesticated as any dog, hardly "exotic".
they're exotic in the sense that they have never really been pets before.
They exotic what you on about
Please, Kill me. What’s the definition of exotic for you?
You can still raise totally wild ones, But they are still animals!!
I do believe that foxes do deserve to be domesticated and not hunted and killed because it breaks my heart every time that happens
For out pleasure they are great animals. Ideally they'd be left alone totally, not domesticated. The best you can do for any animal is to leave it be. But yeah/ I'd totally want a fox. I am human.
But still, what if the foxes went extinct because they were killed by hunters?
Mark Moore That's a messed up reason to domesticate. Zoos use the same argument. It's all about entertaining humans, not about extinction of the animals.
I just don't want foxes going extinct
Mark Moore Let's address the fur and fascist hunting practices, HARD. To take a fox in your home so another can effective shoot the next and wear is a lazy way to care IMO. These fox farms just found a way to profit more that with merely shooting/farming for fur.
These imported domestic foxes from Russia are not only expensive, they are also neutered to prevent founding new colonies overseas. That will forever keep prices high, and gene pools small. If you really want to domestic the fox (the way the wolf/dog was domesticated over 30,000 years ago), you have to allow them to reproduce and spread, and not monopolize the market.
the company went bankrupt six months age. it doesn't exist anymore
sinder wolf Interesting, and kind of too bad. Why should the wolf (dog) be the only domestic canid in the world? I think it would be nice to have domestic foxes around, too, assuming they are properly cared for.
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I think you already have highest grade domesticated creature - your children. So calm down on it.
Suhe Bator LOL ... my children are only as domesticated as my wife and I are. :)
Seriously, though, wolves and dogs are my favorite animals, but I think it's cool that there are domestic foxes around, too.
If you think wolfdogs are domestic, you clearly don't know a thing about wolfdogs.
What a horrible way to keep animals in. Those cages should be illegal!
Have you ever seen how commercial chicken or hog farms operate? How about people who raise rabbits in cages for the market? Of course we don't eat foxes now do we? But they are animals none the less.
Larry342516 That's why I always by free range eggs and Swedish pork, I've never eaten rabbit, I also don't wear fur.
Salpeteroxid That's the only way to go. If you can raise your own meat, eggs, and vegetables its a lot healthier. Rabbit is very good in my opinion only if you know they are farm raised or wild ones. To many GMO feeds fed to store bought meat.
Larry342516 GMO is banned in my country, also antibiotics are banned and only used on animals that really needs it not as a prevention.
My aunt had rabbits, but they were to be sold as pets, she doesn't have them anymore but I don't think I could've asked her to give one to me for cooking ^^
Salpeteroxid We need the same laws here in the US. Hard to believe the FDA allows cancer causing GMO's to be sold. But, the big chemical and pharmaceutical companies are paying to have their products approved. Our government sits back and does nothing to control the FDA. I hope some day things change here. Take care.
Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
+Nolan Čapek Foxes have a much shorter lifespan so it might take 100 to 200 years to fully Domesticate them....
1 pet fox = 1 less fur coat. Take that vegans...
Yay!
Unless you live in Britain
Why take that vegans? More like take that fur wearers and meat eaters. Those are the animal abusers and not vegans.
Oh you mean when an old lady goes fur shopping, they tell her "Sorry, we have a shortage of foxes lately, there are no more furs to buy"? No, kid.
soVia I am sorry what?
Humans are born omnivorous which means we eat meat as well as plants we are not abusing animals we are just surviving off our diet given to us by Mother Nature
Last year I went down to Georgia to see my brother graduate from basic training in the national guard. Honestly can't remember which state, but I stopped off at a rest area with a dog walking park and met a guy with a pet fox named Tails. He said he bought him from Russia for close to $10,000 and that 2 years later it was one of his favorite decisions he's ever made. Tails acted like 80% dog and 20% cat and he was perfect. I've wanted one ever since.
Hmmm, turn foxes into pets and lavish them with attention and love...? Or throw them in fur farms to kill them just to make a coat? I would rather have a pet fox.
Besides, life in the wild isn't 'freedom', and having them as pets isn't 'cruelty and enslavement'. Life in the wild is all about the constant struggle for survival, which is natural, yes. But many foxes are killed by predators or by natural diseases (because that's the wild for you). Honestly, the cute little buggers are better off as adorable pets...
Agreed. I'm going to get a pet fox if I can once I'm old enough to live on my own.
Indeed a fox is very lucky if it even reaches 3-4 years. And this is basicly the case with almost any animal. Its rare to see an old specimen even more rare seeing one dead from old age.
That's actually a horrible way to look at it. Just listen to what you're saying- they're better off being owned.
Ashema Bahumat Sooo, we should release our cats and dogs into the wild? We're not talking about a person here, they have no sense of 'self' like we do.
MayFlower Ann Did I say that? I mean, they can live without us just fine, albeit struggling in an urban environment. I just refuse to look at it with the "They're better off this way" attitude since its literally wrong- they can do fine without us outside of hunting restrictions. And I think them having personalities, being capable of love, and being able to solve/plan out situations shows that there's enough awareness and intelligence there to give them more credit than you did.
These are not wild animals, and they would never survive in the wild if they were to be released. They have been domesticated for generations. The money raised from the sale of pet domesticated foxes helps fund this centre and its scientific research. Biologists have already learned a great deal about the process of domestication from the work being done here.
Now this is a perfect pet for people who like Dogs and Cats 🦊😍
Uh, these foxes aren't exactly "wild" anymore since they behave and almost look like dogs. I don't really see what's wrong here, yeah it's not right to take an animal out of its habitat and put it in a cage, but it's better to be sent there rather than getting killed and be stuffed and used as a fur coat or rug. Think about it, dogs, cats, cows, pigs, chickens, sheep and goats were all once wild animals too so I don't see what's wrong with trying to domesticate other wild animals. It's better for them to be accepted as a family member rather than as a pest that needs to be exterminated...
***** Thanks :)
noname144able Um how are you saving them? They aren't endangered and it's not like by domesticating them your doing them a favor. They are doing this in Russia, not the US, so your not saving American foxes by domesticating them.
no they are behaving like a dog who's spent their whole life in a puppy mill & has no social skills. Amazing that people will pay 8 grand for a wild animal that acts like a dog from a shelter who's spent their whole life in a cage themselves.
***** they were never on the endangered list... do you even read anything before responding? How are you saving them exactly? They spend their whole lives in cages to then go to some rich person who could've just bought an anti social puppy mill dog to save. And this is Russia, not America this is being done. So how are you saving American foxes exactly?
It only seems cruel at first, you just have to give it time. I'm pretty sure if you were to go back in time, you would say the same thing about humans domesticating dogs and cats. Would you rather let them let loose in the wild and be used as a fur coat or a trophy? Or would you rather let them be sold and at least be accepted as a pet? I think it's not right to keep them in cages as small as those seen in the video, but I would rather let them live longer in those said cages rather than them getting shot and be used as the next fashion statement. People like you should give up on your fantasies where animals are left alone in the wild and humans love and protect them because it's not gonna happen. Life is not like a disney movie where everything is kind, friendly, gentle and happy all the time. You should realize that letting them be in the wild won't save them anymore. We humans have done enough damage to the planet and its wilderness that protecting them is not enough since there are a lot of people out there who kill them illegally one way or another either for accessory purposes or money making purposes either way, it's much worse than putting them in a cage and not to mention that we are slowly destroying forests, so letting them live in the wild will only save them for a moment until their habitat is destroyed after a few years to make way for cities or villages
I would never get one, but assuming I did & I walked it down the streets of NYC, someone somewhere will walk by with a fox coat & say "Aww, so cute! Can I pet him?" & I'll say "can I pet them, too?"
ha ha! good one! :) i hate people that kill animals only for their coats... bless them poor souls... :(
Ha ha! Good one!
it isn't bad to kill an animal for its fur. we have been doing it since we figured we needed clothes to keep warm. the problem is that people are killing them needlessly. like to make a scarf that they will wear once or twice. or other useless things like miniature handbags that cost tens of thousands. taking their fur humanly and for very good reason is fine in my opinion but when we kill them as a way to show we are rich it crosses the line.
Kutoki oi you just said " it isn't bad to kill an animal for its fur. " actually it IS wrong. people don't KILL sheep for their wool! they only shave them because they will be too hot in the summer anyway. But killing is NOT an option.
ok, then we needed their skin. I'm not an expert but the killing of animals has played a key role in the survival of man kind. but with the technology of this day and age it isn't necessary. Tbh id much rather live with nature in peace with no killing and infinite peace. but that isnt a possibility.
All this talk about how they're wild animals makes me think, weren't dogs at one point wild wolves and soon bred to be tame? Why can't the same go for a fox?
check out the silver fox experiment in a web search. it actually mentioned the experiment in the video its pretty fascinating.
My thoughts exactly. I think some people are just uncomfortable with the idea of change.
I love silver foxes
thats actually exactly what the video said... lol but besides the point of that question. Don't you think humans own enough? when do we call it quits? when do we just let animals be animals and live and evolve the way they are meant to? Isn't it enough we hardly have wolves anymore but we have an over population of dogs? isn't it enough that we have snatched wild parrots out of the forest to put them in cages and clip their wings so they can never fly? i mean seriousl humans are so greedy. thinking everything on earth BELONGS to us. its sad and i want to cry. i wish people would just go get a cute little dog like a sheltie or something and be happy with it. what do we want a fox for anyways? just to be flashy?
Carolyn Ritchey What if humans "called it quits" before they invented that computer you're typing on? What if we "called it quits" before penicillin?
"How anyone with about $8,000 can share their home with a cuddly predator." Cats are predators too. And so are humans.
Don't forget dogs... and how they're very closely related to foxes.
Humans are the ultimate scavengers.
And the ultimate predator too.
(Even in "Predator", Arny is the ultimate predator; the title references him!)
Damien Thornes On average, humans are scavengers.
Otherworldly Music Since when? Foxes are actually very distantly related to dogs.
Seems cruel to me. They spend their entire lives in small cages unless they're sold? Not much respect for nature.
It's not like they have to be domesticated or socialized. There are plenty of dogs that need a good home, especially working dog breeds (sleed dogs, hunting dogs, guard dogs, etc.) that serve a purpose other than to simply amuse the owner.
I see what your saying. I mean a pet fox would be freaking awesome, but I don't like the idea of them in cages their entire lives unless their sold. There are enough dogs doomed to that fate already.
It was basically an experiment gone wrong, regardless of what point of view you take.
For all the people that say that this is "inhumane" "cruel" or "stupid", I have a question for you. If you went back in time to the time when people where domesticating dogs, would you stop them? If you say yes, then that would radically change history and possibly ruin lives. If you said no, then you're a hypocrite. This is the same as when people domesticated dogs or cats, only this time humans are trying to make this happen. That is nearly the only reason, and the other ones are insignificant other than now, there isn't much wild left for the animals.
well i doubt that the cromagnam caveman would even understand what we'd be saying anyways. But if you went back to the beginning of slavery would you think you could change their mind about how wrong it is? In any case, people domesticated dogs back during caveman times and in my dog training studies as well as my wildlife and forestry background, its likely that it was mutualy beneficial for wild dogs and humans. Wild dogs followed around humans to pick up bones and scraps from hunting parties and inadvertently led to dog working for humans protecting them from other predators and other enemies. Now we have dogs that herd, hunt, protect, sniff out bombs, work with humans and they thoroughly love what they do. I don't see a fox being any type of working animal and I prefer working breeds because I hunt, have livestock and tend to do more hunting/gathering then just letting my pet get fat and lazy like most humans do. Cats I don't have any use for, but there again cats were domesticated by fat rich people who needed an exotic animal, just like these rich people need an exotic animal like a tiger or lion or fox... The backstory to this domestication of foxes is that they started breeding foxes for the fur and decided they could make money on also selling live foxes.So no, as a dog trainer and someone with a degree in conservation and fish and wildlife, I can't say I'm a fan of this.
even so, domestication of dogs and cats happened over thousands of years. foxes were never domesticated until about 60 years ago. it takes more than 6 decades to completely domesticate a species, and it is a delicate and fragile process that just cannot occur naturally anymore. that is why i feel it is wrong to domesticate wild animals. dogs were used for hunting and protection, as well as companionship, but that was a bonus. foxes are adopted as exotic pets that most people just want to show off and they end up not being able to care for them properly. then it's the rescues and refuges that shoulder the burden
Exactly! Thank You! My point exactly
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This.
Caner Toprakoğlu A large number of dog breeds suffer physical modifications that have negative impacts on their health. Dogs with squished faces, for example, are prone to breathing difficulties. Also, MANY dogs bred for pets are still kept in cages, plenty worse than those conditions the foxes were shown to have in this video. I don't agree with the whole "domesticating foxes solely for pets" thing...but don't kid yourself...cruel things are still happening to dogs on a daily basis because of human wants too.
I'm getting one. This shall be one of my life goals.
Me too.
Now please domesticate moose for riding and raccoon as retrievers kthanxbai.
***** it may sound stereotypish as a canadian but id love to have a moose to ride
There's a dude back in my hometown that actually did that believe it or not. I don't know if he necessarily rides it, but I've seen pictures of him with it with a saddle on so maybe.
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***** That's tamed, not domesticated. These foxes are domesticated, in that they were bred specifically for docile behavior and are genetically distinct from their wild counterparts.
FlintSparked yeah domesticate everything please!
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Sadly RonRon passed away
+FailGirlGamer RIP :(
Was RonRon also a domesticated fox? I thought he was an ordinary one.
SirAiki AQW
And by that you mean?
Actually I have just found an article that states Ron was only tame, but not domesticated:
www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/fyi-domesticated-foxes
Considering his bringing up and the conditions he was kept in, it sounds reasonable. Ron was not really a pet, but a friend of the owner, a playmate. I have never seen him in the owner's arms, or hugged, or anything too constraining.
Well, if it gets people to shift their perception of foxes as being either pests or clothing, this is probably a good thing.
Japan >>>>>> Siberia. There's a whole village of sweet, spoiled, verrrry well socialized foxes over there.
gladitsnotme by well socialised you mean very casual in their thieving ways. x3
Also it's not comparable, Russia was experimenting. Japan was just being Japan and thought that a cat and deer village wasn't enough.
+gladitsnotme Those foxes are still wild. You cannot train them. You cannot take two of them get them home and train them like dogs, and start a company which sells 'trained foxes that act just like dogs'. Russia did something amazing there in my opinion.
***** not really... Domesticating an animal isn't an amazing feat. Our ancestors have been doing it for centuries. It's simple controlled breeding, selecting for preferred traits in each generation.
It wasn't done with foxes before. They took hundreds of years to do that before. I still appreciate what they did.
***** It's not that amazing, it only takes a few decades. You can likely domesticate any mammal within a few generations, though there's no reason to do it because even a domesticated animal can get agreesive. It's safer to do it with foxes than say a Siberian tiger.
where are the animal defenders ? what a sad scene
a fox that was born in captivity is not a wild fox
I'am not rich, but but can afford one of these gorgeous fox, but dam i rather save the life of a shelter animal.
Also, fun fact: not mentioned in this video, in the same experiment the Soviets also bred all the most undesirable traits into another group of foxes, creating a group of hyper-aggressive, bloodthirsty foxes. Because what's a Soviet science experiment without a cartoonishly sinister, mostly pointless, side to it?
But hey, domesticated foxes: incredible what science can do.
Now make domesticated bengal tigers please
we already kinda have domesticated cats...
it could be a good way to protect them from extintion, but this kind of domestication take it´s time.
Domestic polar bear anyone?
I have mixed feelings. I would rather see them have a lovely life then as part of a coat. However, what is best for these beautiful animals is freedom in the wild.
I understand where you are coming from but they are actually domesticated foxes (50 year experiment that started in the USSR) so that would be like saying, domestic dogs deserve to live in the wild. These foxes are basically man's best friend part 2
I do not feel they should have never been domesticated in the first place. Especially when their lives start out so bleak and in cages. That is what I am saying.
Carrina H The alternative for their wild cousins is a very rough and tough existence. It is survival through reasonable fear that keeps them away. I think a lot of those animals are going stir crazy locked up. Obviously for breeding only. :(
Family life and love is tough on animals too. A good reason why they wander so they only look forward.
The face you see with me is that of a part feral local wild cat, who was family to us. We weaned him. Vets were terrified of him. He learned to use commands in English and his later days learned of loss when the tabby next door died, After that only watched, let other animals, (birds etc.) to hop around him in the garden as he basked there. He gave up life a month after my dad died. He knew when I told him "Grandad. All gone". He simply dropped his head, turned around, went under the stairs and just collapsed, he only came out to occasionally eat and go outside to the toilet.
"I would rather see them have a lovely life then as part of a coat." sounds like you'd rather see them have a lovely life and _then_ end up as a coat.
I know what you mean though.. it was just ironic and mildly amusing. : )
Devo Castler I cannot see pets ending up as coats. Not forgetting these are bred from a domestication experiment.
It sucks that the news has to tell this to the ignorant masses...
Not really. Its not like the average viewer could even buy one ($8,000).
Also it would be cool to own a pet fox.
If you say they need room for then why do you lock em in a small cage in cold Siberia huh
many people think this is cruel.
Those people probably also don't realize, that if humanity didn't do this to wolves, we wouldn't have dogs.
And dogs are great.
Yep.
Apart from the fact they have breathing walking physical mental and become paralysed at a early age other than that great
TheDapperDrone ...you know that's only in very specific, inhumanely inbred purebred breeds, right?
I dont think having foxes as pets is cruel IF you do it right. It`d definitely be better than making fur coats out of them. What i do think is that it is wrong how this farm breeds them. Its extremly cruel to keep them in these tiny cages for so long.
Those poor things. Spending their whole lives in cages. When they're purposely being breed to want to be with people. So sad.
If you research a story litle deeper. Well those foxes doesnt live in a "farm" it's and territory of Genetic Science Research center. And they don't have enough space to keep all of them probably. They researching a way that dogs became domesticated from wolves. And they have three groups of foxes. "Agressive" also selected as a control "wild" group and less agressive (domesticated line). Those foxes who born in domesticated line not only more friendly but more likely to reproduce near to human. Thats why they are selling them. They dont have enough space to keep all the foxes. Thats sad of cource but those animals dont grown for sale. They are part of science research.
I swear to god that this will be a house pet like a dog in the future
I was born and raised in Florida, Been having "Wild Pets" all my life. You can tame all animals some, but you got to know, they are still animals with survival instincts God put in them!!
Foxes aren't very aggressive naturally (like Wolves, coyotes etc...) they are very similar in temperment as cats.
I freaking love foxes. Although i'm still a bit skeptical about having them as pets.
Search up foxalbiazul he has a fox has a fox as a pet one of his foxes died sadly in his sleep so now he has another one
I'm thinking about having a red fox as a pet when I'm olderليان الحسين
Pitbulls are worse
*****
That's how it is with pretty much for any animal.
*****
Well, an angry Pitbull can do way more damage than a fox can.
This is terrible... Wild animals belong in the WILD! People need to stop trying to tame them and keep them as "pets". Wild animals can never be tamed and never should be! It's just plain greedy... Ugh, this just makes me sick. Those poor foxes... The breeding and selling of exotic pets needs to stop!
Dogs used to be wild animals and pretty much every animal used to be wild until we decided to domesticate it.
You say wild animals belong in the wild. Well, many many many years ago, that part of land that used to be your house was barren and considered to be "the wild".
Having an "Exotic pet" such as a fox isn't bad and greedy. People as humans were greedy and took land from animals homes. It is only a matter of time til some of us want foxes to be welcomed on their once existing homes
***** How is that not greedy? You're taking them from their homes and acting like you own them or something. Sorry, but I do not believe humans have the right to "domesticate" any other species. And yes, I know dogs used to be wild, but that was hundreds of years ago and there's nothing we can do about that now. Well, I mean, there are feral dogs out there who live just fine in the wild... But some dogs might not. They're used to the house life and living around humans. But these foxes act differently from dogs. In this video, they're talking like if you buy one of these foxes they'll be just like a dog, but that's not true. People should just get dogs and cats for companions and not wild animals. The exotic pet trade is terrible. They take baby animals from their mothers and other things like that. Some exotic pets they sell to people are endangered animals like the slow loris. But people just want them because they're cute and want to show them off like they're some sort of new purse or something. It's disgusting.
Destiny Torres I don't want to be selfish. Only worrying about yourself is selfish. I'm worried about the foxes because what these people are doing to them is cruel. It's just like puppy mills. They're the ones being negative. It's the video that's not positive, not me.
Destiny Torres Who? The people who buy them or the people keeping them in cages?
All animals that have been domesticated were wild once, the same is true about these foxes. They are domesticated, not wild and not tame, been bread for over 60 years. They are genetically different than wild foxes they would not survive in the wild. And how is taking care of a domestic fox as a pet, being loved who generally want to be around people, a bad thing? Would you rather these foxes end up as fur for clothes, because thats what would and dose happen. And saying that it shouldn't happen dose not mean a damn thing. So having these foxes as pets and maybe making people think twice about buying a fox skin coat is a good thing.
My mom had foxes growing up; she loved it.
This is my dream pet. This and a wolf.
You can't have a wolf, it would eat you. And a tame wolf is called a dog.
+Walter Black
No, not entirely true, it's a little ignorant to say all wolves will kill you, you'd just need to be a VERY good trainer it would still be dangerous and you you'd have to make an "alpha" impression.
You could also get a low content wolf dog.
Yeah but still they're unreliable, you never know when their instincts could kick in and create a nasty situation, even with wolf-dog hybrids.
you could get a wolfdog ^^ You could be also interested in Kathryn Lord's study about why puppies are better tamed than wolf cubs:
www.umass.edu/newsoffice/article/lords-study-may-explain-why-wolves-are-forever-wild-dogs-can-be-tamed
It says "why wolves are forever wild", but it contains an information, important for getting a wolf more used to humans :)
Good luck in archieving your dream ^^
+Ryuu Na
That's wolf *pups ;)
Yeah, it would be safest to get a low content wolf dog, but I'd like to get a Shiloh shepherd most :3
These animals were bred in captivity by fur farms way before the Russian experiment ever began. Cows don't do well living in the home environment, but we say they are domesticated,.
its a dog with the personality and slyness of a cat.
Beast? What complete and utter shit. Like any other dog or cat, give them enough love and attention they will care for you back. Dogs were not the same hundreds and thousands of years ago when they first met man. Therefore nothing is different now. Foxes can be a loving pet. I want one.
+techtalk You know what he meant stupid.
+techtalk Dogs descended from wolves. Same way as we descended from the first fish that learned how to walk. Don't correct him saying ancient dogs aren't wolves because technically they are.
I so want a silver fox now! I shall call him Ricardo. I'll train him to carry my blue-fronted Amazon, Ricky, on his back.
This made me so sad. The poor foxes look so stressed in those cages. I hate people who insist on buying animals, especially ones who should be living in the wild.
These foxes would not fare too well in the wild
+BobBulb I'm well aware of that. Which is why I am against breeders.
this is alarming
Oh thank God. Because all of the animal shelters are closing due to lack of unwanted animals. We definitely need to domesticate wild exotic pets as vanity items for rich idiots. Good job.
-_-' i want a fox. I'm certainly not paying $8,000 for one. I have a place near where I live that sells red foxes for about $150 a kit.
You are the problem.
zammmerjammer Yes, it's heartbreaking how many animals are put into the shelters every week, but the population of those animals is ever growing and will never be quelled. There's just too many. Yes, each shelter has a certain housing limit, but guess what? Those are not the only animals out there. There are several out roaming around from the back alleys to the forests in your backyard. If you want to adopt the whole animal shelter, I say go right ahead! I would applaud you for taking on such a task. Stop sitting there behind and a desk telling people that they are a major factor in this problem and get proactive about how you feel.
By the way, I understanding your feelings on the matter, but I've always wanted a fox as a pet even since I was little.
I'm part of an animal rescue org have had 6 foster cats in the past year, so I AM "out there taking on the task" actually.
And I always wanted a pet wolf, but even as a child I knew that was a pipe dream. What's beautiful about those animals is that they're wild.
All your dogs and cats were wild once. I don't see anything wrong in domesticating a wild animal to become a pet. I understand there is overpopulation of dogs and cats, which is wrong in every specie. These foxes are beautiful and I would buy one. When they are killed for a coat, people don't like it, when they are sold as pets, people don't like it. you'll always complain about something....
This guy: "They're great pets"
Every single fox owner: say sike right now
If I was rich I'd totally pay for one. Also, Juju is one of the coolest names!
Even normal foxes are nice and easy to tame, especially if raised by humans. Of course I guess it's even safer and easier with those domesticated breeds.
To me, the real mistery is : why hasn't fox domestication been common like with dogs and cats ?
Cause religion and peta
Edgar humberto tijerina tamez
Why were dogs and cats okay then ? A fox seems just like a cute dogcat.
Sorry I'm too high right now I can't anserw de question if I cannot understands it
Hodoss quick awnser is PETA didn't exist until recently dogs and cats were domesticated thousands of years ago
Hodoss because people liked hunting them more than petting them. And people didn't want to skin their pets.
Is it not cruel to leave them in those cages?
+Pablo Ruiz Welcome to Russia
+Pablo Ruiz Ya think?
+Thoben Carnex No one should be supporting this cruel industry. At least they are not being skinned alive for coats like millions of other foxes, but buying from these assholes just encourages more and more breeding. Don't buy them, they don't make any money and they go out of business.
+Pablo Ruiz What a PIG of a network to celebrate this!
+Tenno my Benno get out
HAHAHA! $8,000 is total shit... I have a Domesticated Fox and only paid $350.00 for her. And I bought her in OHIO (USA)
***** Well, another place what I could go for living, when I get the money. Ty for the info :^)
Probably something illegal
How?
The fox you bought is tame, not domesticated. It still has wild blood in it, and it not genetically changed over time like the foxes from the institute of cytology and genetics in Novosibirsk, Russia. There is only several of those foxes in the U.S.
I would totally love to have a fox in the family, they're so energetic and lovable
How interesting.... It never occurred to me that foxes could be domesticated like this.... I wonder if Raccoon Dogs can do the same thing. The stages of domestication are fascinating.
look these small cages - worse than a prison - the HELL for any wild animals - SHAME !
hope the fox don't eat my chickens
This doesn't set well with me , for some reason I feel worst about this than I do seeing tamed lions , I think it's because I can sense that these foxes seem like they still don't like it domesticated & all . Even the big cats seem to adapt but these foxes don't seem to be adapting they don't appear comfortable , the lions & tigers basically still trample the humans so they seem cool but this seems a bit over bearing for these foxes not that lions & tigers need to be lounging around in the narrow hall way that leads to the living room either .
Tame and domesticated are two very different things. One is strictly about learned behavior, while the other is genetic. Domestication only occurs to a population of animals, across numerous generations. This is no different from the artificial selection performed on farm animals or domestic dogs and cats. It could be argued that it's more humane than either, since they're breeding for temperament and not for appearance. Google "Russian silver fox experiment" for details on how it was carried out. These animals are not as thoroughly domesticated as cats and dogs, but they're still a long way away from their wild ancestors.
They also found dramatic and unexpected phenotypic changes as a by-product of breeding for temperament, like floppy ears, odd color morphs that wouldn't be adaptive in the wild (like black and white in cats and dogs), etc., in addition to shorter legs.
MoriyaMug good info!
This has been a very patient experiment, I bet. Beautiful creatures. I'd only hope that they get the care they need. Certainly they're somewhat dog-like, but foxes are still not dogs too. I imagine more and more behaviour study will come out of it, though, and people will take time to get to know the species. ^^ I look forward to it.
I've also heard that they come out and check out your house and living situation, etc. They don't give the foxes to just anyone with a wallet full of cash.
That's so cruel, keeping them in tiny cages. I wouldn't buy a fox from them either.
UUUGH I want a fox soooo badly! I'm pretty good when training my pets :D (if only I had $8,000 lying around .-.)
On the one side I love how the recreated the domestication of a wild animal.On the other side I really don't like the small cages... Isn't it possible to sell these beautiful foxes to somebody who can afford to offer them more space while breeding them?
Maigodseki That's where american Fox breeders come in.
konkydong212 but I thought the project was stopped. And are there any breeders in the US?
Oh, sure. Just look online.
We humans just can't let nature be nature. :-(
Then we should all kill ourselves. Good outcome.
Burg Bass What do you mean?
well if they aren't pets, they'll mostly end up being a fur coat
we are nature, domestication IS a part of nature.. everything we do IS considered nature..
lot!
Just because they are beautiful, doesn't mean we should own them. They are wild.
I want a pet fox, not because I'm an exotic pet collector, but because from what I've seen, they have great personalities.
"oh they are totally safe"
*next thing you know, neck bite*
They'd be safe as a dog, I'd imagine. Probably safer than some of the more agressive breeds like pitbulls.
Zulu Cthulu yeah... safe as dog..
*neck bite*
Zulu Cthulu pit bulls arent aggresive...educate yourself before making ignorant comments. thanks
I've owned a pitbull, friend. And while he was lovable for a long time, he definitely began exhibiting more aggressive habits and we had to put him down.
If you learn anything from this fox experiment, particulary the aggressive breed they raised, is that genes can affect behaviour, and some dogs have more aggressive genes than others.
Zulu Cthulu Sounds like the dog had a bad temperament. I've never met a violent pit.
This report is wrong. The Soviet experiment was not about understanding domestication, it was about breeding more placid foxes on the fur farm (that's what that farm was). The domestication study was accidental.
The real interest came with the fact that after a couple of generations, the foxes started developing patchy coats, floppy ears and started barking and behaving like dogs, which was amazing because we had always thought genetic change was a slow and steady thing. It was surprising how quickly wild foxes turned into 'dogs', suggesting the same might be true of wolves (all domestic dogs are descended from grey wolves).
They're cute, but I wouldn't take my chances on purchasing one. If it ever hurt someone, I'd feel awful. Plus, I don't want someone's parents to sue the shit outta me because my fox bit their kid!
I don't think you've quite grasped the content in this video. These Foxes have been breed to be tame and docile for generations. They don't have a violent bone in their body and they're highly sociable. Even wild Foxes are not dangerous at all.
lol just don't live in California: The land of law suits for idiots.
*****
Well, I'll never own one. It's not for me. My Golden Retriever suits me just fine!
Banter Board I wasn't trying to convince you to buy one so I don't see the point in you telling me this
I'd think a chihuahua, terrier or other small dog is a much bigger risk of biting people than a tame fox. :P
I had an arctic fox, he was born in capitivity, but he would never stop biting, even after years of owning him and never doing anything to provoke him. Finally gave him to someone else who figured she could tame him.
Those foxes are adorable I want one
You can buy domesticated foxes online for about $425 Legally. No black market shit.
I wouldn't try that. The scientists on the domestication project created two breeds of foxes, the one you see here which is tame and a separate breed that's the opposite, bred to be absurdly aggressive to prove that it wasn't being close with humans that lead to domestication. Which was released to the wild when the experiment was over.
Certain groups that sell these things can't tell or don't bother to check which of the two physically similar breeds they have before they sell.
could it live on tropical area?
Plasticnightmare // Chase which website ? plz ?
Huy Veggie I forgot I posted this comment a while ago
One fox costs more than gynecomastia?! thats too damn expensive :c Maybe when I become a millionaire.
You can probably get one that's been bred in the US or Canada for quite a bit cheaper.
Taking animals out of nature and into a cage? Sick.
***** My cat is in a shed with a hole in the side for entry and exiting as she wishes, my dog is in my home where he is happy and healthy. A tiny cage in fucking Siberia isn't a great life, is it.
***** the point was they took them out of nature and into a CAGE. They're lives have been made significantly worse by the actions of man. Not true about my dog and cat. Yes, thousands of years ago dogs became domesticated, doesn't mean i need to banish my dog from my home to not support locking up wild foxes in cages for very little gain in scientific knowledge.
***** you're boring me now. Round and round in circles.
Steven Gruber Animal Nazism at its best You should work for PETA
I've never considered these animals to be truly dangerous ever since one approached me as a child and caused me no harm. It simply left and went about its business.
How terrifying, those cages, poor foxes.
OF COURSE you can breed the 'savage' out of an animal. Have you people looked at your cats and dogs? They all came from wild sources, and they were all domesticated BY HUMANS. A tame fox and a domesticated fox are two completely different things.
happyhappy joyjoy Troooooll
We can have pet foxes now, but we still don't know what they say? Where are your priorities science?
There is something about this that isn't right. And it smacks of human arrogance.
taergehtsiram Nature doesn't care about our arrogance and made us that way. Your comment is arrogant too.
Well said, Hodoss
taergehtsiram
Lol I wasn't expecting that answer. You surprised me =D
That's because people want to debate on You Tube. I don't.
taergehtsiram
Well played, sir, well played.
My Grandfather had a little fox - "Linochka" in Poltava in the 1880's... Hunters brought the orphaned kit to his family estate at the time when my grandfather was just a little boy. Linochka slept with him in his bed... but as expected when time came for mating and Nature called, she left to the woods and never returned... Grandfather was totally heart broken, and remembered her all his life with great love and fondness... The fox is indeed an extremely smart animal and beautiful too!
foxes aren't predators. they're top tiers
Only if they know how to short-hop double laser
Yep
I'm not sure how I feel about this.. I don't think I like it..
They aren't wild, they have been domesticated over many generations of selective breeding.
+Caitlyn Joys Many people think foxes bred in captivity are domesticated, which is NOT the case. Domestication takes hundreds and hundreds of years of selective genetics. Breeding foxes for a few years makes them tame, but not domestic. Their genetic makeup, biology and instincts are all still hard-wired in them, and when combined with intelligence, means destruction, aggression, depression, frustration, and fear.
If you watch any of these videos and keep tabs on blogs, then you can see that all the traits like fear and depression never occur
+Caitlyn Joys don't believe everything you see on the internet. Of course they aren't showing you the aggressive ones that they wind up putting down. It takes far more than a few generations to domesticate an animal.
+Tara Simpson Agressive dogs get put down too
Well, they're not wild foxes. bad title.
Ive always loved foxes. Ive been wanting one since i watched the foxand the hound as a child.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that foxes are dogs too! They're in the same family. Dogs were wild animals once too and I don't see why we shouldn't be able to take care of and love a fox just like any other normal house pet. As long as you keep it in a good environment. I do have to say I disagree with those cages on the farm though. The poor thing trapped in small cages their whole life.
It is so sad these animals are to be in nature .. not in houses or cages.
so you rather see them have to hunt and get eaten by a predator or hunted?
Do you know that dogs are domesticated wolves and cats are domesticated bobcats, right? This isn't a new thing and it's not wrong or horrible.
The Wanderer
Cats are not domesticated bobcats.
***** Then, pray tell, what were they domesticated from? Cats were domesticated in Egypt yes, but around the world as well. And I am pretty sure they didn't domesticate tigers and then the tigers shrank.
The Wanderer
The African wildcat. Bobcats are American, and as far as I know, domestic cats didn't hit the New World until Europeans came over.
Since I can't reply to anyone thanks to Google+ crap...
*A good way to know if an arctic, red, grey, fennec or any type of fox is legal where you live, is if they exist there already!*
Look up "livingwithfoxes" blog on Tumblr. She's nice and will answer your specific questions on if a fox, and what type of fox, is legal in your state/city, and most importantly, how you can get one.
*Few things to note, owning a fox is a challenge. It only acts somewhat like a dog, but lots of things are different. Do your research!*
weird I can reply to you and I'm not on google +
dadeskr It seems to have ironed itself out since I posted that. Now it seems that I can only reply to certain people... Perhaps those who have not linked with Google+
ah right. I find the comments are a bit odd sometimes I can't reply to anyone and other times I can reply to everyone.
Well what a waste of money that experiment was lol. You can already keep foxes as pets. Loads of people do it already.
but those foxes aren't domesticated. Their tamed, conditioned to be around specific people and to respect them, but they aren't domesticated. They don't actually like humans, or want to be around people.
Katie Sisk That's why people wan't them as little pups (/>_>)/. Especially if you are a dog lover and owner. We won't really buy full grown dogs unless we are planning to breed it, or if it's rare in our country. etc.
Not only do "Wild Animals" want to be around humans they prefer it.
You think they want to just survive by hunting, being hunted? They do it because they have to, not because they want too! They also live longer, healthier lives. They also live in the now, not the future. Protect live stock, their owners and even other animals in the family not of their kind or species.
They also teach humans how to treat each other. As nature is the best classroom for the job of teaching relationships, trust and honesty. Their not stupid by long shot.
You sound like such a douchebag. Prove it instead of making baseless assertions.
If you live in UK you'l see it. If you want to you can gain a foxes trust by feeding it and eventually keep it as a pet. Doesn't take long either because they're smart animals and also very gentle.
Aw man, they're so cute. I want one, so I can give to all the love and attention it deserves.
Can a fox and dog cross?
"It's wrong to domesticate foxes! God and religions and morals beliefs blah blah"
Me: but what about dogs and ca-"
"SHUT UP THATS DIFFERENT BECAUSE GOD AND BLAH BLAH"
+delex360 THANK YOU.
I haven't seen a single comment about God yet. I think your just taking the chance to express your beliefs on a completely unrelated topic.
1cjtate No there are comments like that. It's been awhile and i don't remember which exact videos those comments are in. But you can find videos of domesticated foxes and someone will bring up how wrong it is and bring up religion. The most common one's are people saying they would kill it, how sad the fox looks because its not "with its kind", how cruel it is to force it into being a pet (what?) and so one. I have seen one's of people saying something along the lines of "they are wild animals, god never made them to be tamed" and so on. You just have to look for them
So much cute.
So much want. owo
And today there sold anywhere from 750 - 1,000.
I haven't heard anything about a price drop at all...
Silta Really? A good example go to exodicanimalsforsale.com they have foxes and other sites do too.
Sorry exoticanimalsforsale.net/
Here is another good one www.tinytracksexoticanimals.com/fox.html
oh I see. those aren't Domestic Foxes. I thought you mean't the ones in this video.
I saw the program, I believe it was part of a documentary about dog behavior and it had a clip about this breeding program in Russia. They showed rows of cages with really friend foxes that got so excited when a person came near their cage. I thought - I wonder what is going to happen to all of those friendly happy foxes - will they become coat? I'm so glad to see they are getting a chance.
I want to adopt one!! Such beautiful creatures... I just wish they would allow them to live in bigger environments than that tiny cage.