Does ADHD / ADD cause or influence Pure O (OCD scary ruminations) if repressed in childhood?
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It is my experience, from two decades as an OCD therapist (and recovering from OCD myself) that very often, a person with Pure O OCD (which includes harm OCD, relationship OCD, sexual OCD, religious OCD and Contamination OCD) had ADD or ADHD in childhood but learned how to pretend to pay attention and fit in rather than remaining carefree and spontaneous as a child might find that all their repressed anger, frustration and unfulfilled imaginative creativity may express as Pure OCD with unrequested thoughts and scary ruminations.
ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) and ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) are neurodevelopment disorders that can affect both children and adults. People with ADHD may have difficulties with paying attention, controlling impulsive behaviours, and may be overly active. On the other hand, ADD is sometimes used to describe the inattentive subtype of ADHD. It's important to note that these conditions can vary greatly from person to person and may present differently in different individuals. Seeking professional help and getting an accurate diagnosis is essential for developing an appropriate treatment plan that may include therapy, medication, and behavioural interventions.
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Complex Anxiety -
This is the first time I hear of this term and I love it!!!
Genius!
Yes, PureOCD comes from repressed anger.
PureOCD is also worry about other people's anger and their hate. Most common at toxic job or in dysfunctional family or living in shame culture country where people are constantly expressing their negative and intruding opinion about some person, ad hominems, other person real or imagined flaws mistakes and errors.
It's my experience that people with Pure O are very clever, creative, extroverted and artisan - they are just not living (or seeing themselves) in this way. They must stop comparing themselves to others, stop trying to fit in - and find their own unique path. My course tries to teach people how to do this.
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist Amazing work!
This is similar to IFS Model and Coherence Therapy.
IFS model speaks about our suppressed parts which are unable to perform their specialty - their expertise -
and then other parts take over to do the job done - without doing it correctly since these other parts are not equipped to do it.
For example,
If I have social anxiety - this is not because of lack of skills as CBT explains it.
While in reality - social anxiety is byproduct of suppressed anger. Where our other parts take over the role of anger with catastrophic results: not being able to socialize.
Without anger I will allow my compassion to socialize the most, and this will end up as fawning and people pleasing and being easily exploited by toxic people such as narcissists and psychopaths (Mate Crime)-
You have no idea what kinda impact these videos have on people that are facing such issues. Thanks a million
I know it helps, I wish I could reach more people :-)
I had no idea.i have been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, ptsd, and emotional personality disorder. But this pretty much describes me to a tee.
@@user-oj6ue5px3s Yes, it is about reconnecting with who you feel you are not who you think you are, be yourself, but realise you are different (in a good way) from the other 80% of sheeple :-)
I have ocd, adhd and depression. Several therapists have said it sounds like ocd developed as a result of my adhd being repressed as a kid. Maybe I was more susceptible? Idk. I’m medicated for both though now and have gone through years of therapy. ADHD feels like who I am, like I need to manage it rather than it ever going away, whereas my ocd I feel like I work hard to keep it in “remission” sort of. Idk if that makes sense! But this is sooo interesting.
It makes sense. The meds usually exhaust the ADHD person as they have a very sensitive nature to drugs and alcohol. They work for a few days, then wipe them out emotionally. Yes, just embrace your ADHD, live in the now and focus on that which interests you.
I think this group also have bi-polar depression. I have a theory about this and will make a short video about it soon.
You might like this video too ruclips.net/video/XlVXzaf46jg/видео.html
This made me cry and changed my entire perspective on existence. Thank you isn’t a good enough thing to say.
Good for you! I have a whole course on helping to understand/change yourself here www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist
Thank you so much. This video described my life in perfect detail. By the time I was a teen everyone said I was blank faced and uptight, which I have been since then except for major emotional breakdowns. People only saw me functioning because I put all my work into if for their sake. But inside my mind was absolute torture with racing upsetting thoughts that made me feel disgusting and scared. Pretty much like you said, I obsessively feared that I would somehow do the things I feared and hated the most. And it made me not want to be around others, because somehow they would find out who I really am and hate me for it. It helped so much when I learned that these distressing thoughts are not who I am, but a symptom of my anxiety itself.
You are very welcome - there is much you can learn about yourself here www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist
Ooh. I love this! My curious brain is like “I figured! I just need to know who I am.”
Better to ask yourself, "Who you wish to be!" :-)
Thank you for sharing this information.
You are very welcome.
Thank you so much for the explanation!
You are very welcome.
This video was so helpful. I randomly typed ocd & adhd as i always felt I've been experiencing more than one disorders, as the details of each matched my feelings. But my ocd brain always convinces me that i don't have any XD. I still remember the exact time when my evil mind took over (as i used to call it before), i used to be a different person before that traumatic incident. And I'm still caught in that loop, I'm unable to experience happiness as when i start feeling happy my mind immediately goes back to that time. I still try to figure out why exactly did that happen & until I don't I'm not able to live freely. No therapists or psychiatrists are able to help me resolve that yet. I always keep on playing different theories in my head & many seem to be the cause yet it can't be that many which takes me back to zero. The incident i refer here is my board exams, i used to be an excellent student back then who was a promising candidate for the boards.. but i wasn't able to hold my pen steadily due to panic attacks.. it was hard to understand bcuz i knew all the answers, i couldn't explain it to others or to myself. After that incident all my life has been going backwards, I'm too afraid to do the things i used to love.. I'm not living as my true self anymore, just borrowing traits from other people to blend in to survive.
This is very common (sadly) - there is much you can do to help yourself - this is why I made my course, to teach people how to help themselves. Perhaps check it out; it really will help you :-) www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist
This is very helpful - Thankyou
Glad it makes sense; it can be quite a revelation for some people.
This is really interesting! . I only recently discovered Pure O OCD and I’m sure I have it. I was late diagnosed autistic, I possibly have the inattentive type of ADHD but I’ve never been tested. Do you think the link could extend to overall ND being suppressed/masked, not just ADHD in childhood?
Yes, I do!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU I LOVE YOU THANK YOU
You are very welcome!
As someone who has struggled immensly with crippling pure o (many subtypes) and rocd for forever, and recently finally also been diagnosed with adhd (which makes a lot of sense- ofc besides the moments where my ocd gaslights me into thinking i do not have adhd😂) i cannot thank you enough for this insightful video which has just been mindblowing and VERY much fits what my therapist is trying to explain to me about my life and why i have this excitable adhd nature and at the same time these abhorent Obsessions as well as a harsh inner critic. I still think i need some time to get this into my head, how my pure o has arisen to keep my adhd nature at bay, and how this plays out for the different themes but i wanted to thank you for helping us out with your insightful video, this makes so much sense to me:) also, in case you know: do you have any tips for medication when it comed to the adhd and pure o combination?
Personally, I would try to avoid any medication because a person with ADHD has super sensitive responses to alcohol, medication & recreational drugs (more than the average person) so any medication to try to stimulate the person - works for a day or two, then absolutely exhausts them and makes their anxiety worse. Beta blockers tend to cause a dependancy. Anti-psychotics make you a zombie and the jury is out whether SSRI's actually work or are simply a placebo!
The secret is to understand how the OCD operates and then to disarm it through using clever psychology and biology reprogramming.
For example, your OCD is an unconscious response - so the only way you can change that is by consciously tricking your unconscious into running new automatic programs.
This means you will have to consciously see that logic and reason (of the conscious mind) are not what the unconscious mind uses. However, if you are taught how the unconscious mind operates you can see what you need to do to consciously reprogram it.
Then learn new ways to accept your ADHD nature and not fear it - and learn new ways to see the world and interact with it.
That is why I have spent 5 years making my OCD recovery course - so a person can learn what is happening to them and what they can do to change themselves.
It is here www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist - you might be really surprised how much you can do to change yourself.
The course is only £10 a month to subscribe to as I wish for everybody to be able to access really professional help at a fair and affordable price as there is far too much anxiety in this world - and there is much you can do about it :-)
Best wishes - John
Bear in mind that though you will wish to help yourself, your ADHD will sabotage all efforts to actually take action - therefore you might need another person to 'make you' watch the videos and do the work - I talk about it here ruclips.net/video/eZ8QanEwYLs/видео.html
This is spot on. Thank you for sharing.
Funny how once you see it - it makes sense, but living it is so invisible!
Ok thanks for making me cry.
I’ve been struggling with severe GAD for about 6 months. Obsessive thoughts about my anxiety, intrusive, harmful etc…. It’s like the only subject on my mind is anxiety.
I’ve also really started to look into if I have ADHD. I’m scoring significantly high, but a lot of those questions they ask are really similar to an anxiety test.
Do you feel that helping treat the ADHD now can help with the Pure O? I feel like my anxiety is significantly better now, but I can’t stop obsessing about it. First thing on my mind in the morning, last thing on my mind at night.
Sorry for the blurt!
ADHD is a brain configuration - not a thing to be cured! And the Pure OCD comes from the trauma of not living your true rebellious and creative nature.... My course explains it all www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist - however, those with ADHD are unlikely to watch all the videos as their brains get too bored. However, if they do, much will reveal itself.
I struggle with guilt and pets.
Both can be reconceptualised and desensitised - here are some video clips that might help.
Guilt - ruclips.net/video/0OPBJGfH3kE/видео.html
ERP done correctly - ruclips.net/video/T1uwCPzqLHo/видео.html
This is me. To a tea, unfortunately.
Well, there is much you can do to reverse the OCD - though ADHD is just how you are - my wife has it an is as happy as Larry!
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist I managed to keep it together for 42 years as a workaholic. Then I hit perimenopause and unfortunately had a nervous breakdown and now have agoraphobia. It's going to take time.
The secret is all about recharging your emotional battery... ruclips.net/video/sKqMJbr_caA/видео.html
My belief is that there is no use holding onto these labels such as ADD, ADHD, OCD, depression, whatever. I don't have ADD/ADHD tendencies, but I suffered significant trauma, which led to me developing "OCD," which is once again a label I have consciously discarded. Trauma has made me stuck in a perpetual freeze mode, which can be easily seen as procrastination as with ADD/ADHD. I would say one has to be careful when making such videos, as some people like me may worry about developing another "illness, which we know can be easily misdiagnosed in the mental health field. This is just my two cents!
In video 50, Part 5, I discuss how to break the freeze response. You are right; these are just labels, and the only things you need to ask yourself are... "How do I consciously reprogram my unconscious responses, desensitise my body, recharge my batteries and decide who I wish to become and what I desire to do with my life....?" Then start doing it. www.patreon.com/theanxietyspecialist
No bro, it’s because OCD is the only way that we can remember anything without making mistakes
There are no mistakes - only failures to take action. We can only ever be responsible for the input of our actions, never the outcomes - but people with OCD want certainty in an uncertain world, that is why they are so scared, exhausted and stuck. They are living life wrong. Life is for taking action just to see what WILL happen, not listening to your brain which thinks it KNOWS what will happen, which it doesn't.
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist the rest of that is inspired. I made the comment early and slightly as a joke but I did find myself using obsessive compulsive disorder to cope with lack of working memory but I have dyslexia as well so I’m not sure exactly how much it crosses over I often wind up having to go back to the front door at least four times to doublecheck that I’ve locked it and of course it’s only the times when I don’t go back then I find I’ve left it open so yes, I totally get what you’re saying, and a lot of it loops back to being scapegoated, whether it was my fault or not because of working memory very interesting stuff I actually sent it to a couple of old friends who are still trying to figure out why I am the way I am who knows it may actually help if they watch it?
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist would be fair to say that even with using OCD to triple check whether I have done the kind of stuff I might forget I managed to leave the front door open but it had a different point in my routine due to bring bags of shopping and woke to find someone strolling into my house at 6 am in the morning with a very poor and delayed response to my questions of what The fk are you doing? I just thought I’d put my head in he said so quite often there are very real consequences for forgetting to do these things but it’s in the meta also they say these days? OCD tenancies do you have some positives and I guess because I’ve been trying to focus on the positive sides to everything in an attempt at some kind of occupational alchemy I may well have stopped looking at the negatives associated with the comorbid condition…..? It’s always interesting to analyse both polarities👍😎
ADHD is just ADHD - you will miss things, leave doors open and forget things.... My wife does it all the time, she just accepts it and laughs at herself. Luckily, she lives with me and I love her for who she is. However, ADHD brings her freedom, creativity, and engagement with life - and she has learned to forget the bad things and remember the good things. Don't fight ADHD it is just a brain configuration - you can't really change it but you can accept it.
Unconscious PureO targets the opposite of who that person really is. Example: they consciously desire to travel, but unconsciously fear traveling. They consciously desire to be social, but unconsciously fear of abusing those whom they meet. Or unknowingly they sabotage their relationships. They consciously want to break rules, but unconsciously fear other people being upset and telling them off.
🟥 Pure O (OCD), Complex Anxiety
This is mind blowing
and it perfectlty makes sense.
Its obvious really - I don't know why main stream psychology can't see this?
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist I wasted 20 years on CBT - following it blindly to cure my social anxiety.
CBT instructed me to believe:
1) that my fears are irrational, that toxic people do not exist but in my cognitive distortions are making me scared - which was not true.
2) that am I abnormal since I lack social skills, and that I am sick because I do not have assertiveness - and I must develop shame and guilt to improve my errors and flaws. This ended as toxic shame. I ended up being crippled with panic - since CBT explained me that social anxiety is my fault.
While in reality -
I learned that social anxiety is byproduct of ACE and ACoA - toxic ambient where we learn to suppress our natural healthy anger and we push it down.
Then other parts inside us take the role of anger - unsuccessfully and creating panic in the process - since it is similar to sending children to war front. I suppressed my army and miliary and police parts - that are specialized for establishing boundaries and alarming intruders when they cross common sense social agreements.
CBT never explained it like that.
CBT is automatic default therapy for social anxiety - anyone struggling with social anxiety will buy self help books or enter into medical therapy - which will be based on CBT.
With CBT I developed fawning and people pleasing and self blame and toxic shame and PureOCD and inner critic - since I never had been told that I am suppressing my anger. No one told me that is the only problem and nothing else.
Before social anxiety I was social, I was outgoing, I had social skills - this is not something that I was unable to have, as CBT explained it.
@@ranc1977CBT is not very effective for OCD - especially pure o. ERP on intrusive thoughts must be to normalize fears not step into them. For example - a fear of stabbing a person must be visualised as cooking that person a loving meal using knives appropriately then eating it with them using a knife and for.
@@TheComplexAnxietySpecialist Yeah.
My PureOCD theme was around rude, violent aggressive people who yell and scream at me - either because I did something wrong or they accuse me of something I didn't do. Their anger was something that came back to me as intrusive thought and I could not shake it off. Either physical or verbal abuse form someone I know or someone random, at work or in street, this was my PureOCD obsession - how to fix their anger, how to shield from it, how not to feel unworthy and inept and guilty about it. This was my obsession theme that plagued me - and CBT had no other explanation other than blaming my "cognitive distortions".
While in reality - it was my own suppressed anger - inability for my anger to handle toxic people and hence create invisible shield so that they can't hurt me inside as they did.
@@ranc1977 That makes sense.