Same, I was doing super great on low carb carnivore for the first 3 years then things started to go south, I added more fat and nothing happened, now I eat some fruits 2 or 3 hours after my big meal and every thing is good now. No more heart palpitations, my hair is not falling any more, no more crazy cravings....etc. My go to fruit is watermelon. I don't workout and I stay away from stress. My main issue was heart palpitations, feeling low energy and liturgic. However, I am in no way close to Saladino's levels of eating carbs.
@@Coach_Jose low fat in nature 😂 all those skinny mammoths we ate for ages 😂 and there were so many carb sources of course, especially in the arctic 👍🏼
I don’t pay much attention to studies. I go with what works for me. I am 70 and been carnivore for over 3 years. All my health issues have been resolved. I am on no meds. I lift heavy weights several times per week. There is no going back for me.
I think my stress hormones have been high ever since a traumatic event early on, so eating less & relying on fat for fuel really tipped the scales & soon ruined my metabolism & digestion. Stress is fundamentally a draining of resources leading to deprivation, right? These habits are obviously stress-inducing, the potential negative impact just depends on one's reserves/setpoint.
@ It was about three years ago. I am 72 now as of 11/6. I ate a Weston Price diet before. I belong to a buying club that purchases directly from an Amish farm, so I was not at all eating a Standard American Diet for many years. I developed an enlarged prostate which is why I went on Paleo Ketogenic Diet, fatty red meat, eggs and organs, no dairy. Ketosis is a stressor. You increase stress hormones like cortisol. Stroke risk goes up because of it. I recovered very fast. No long term damage. I eat animal based now. Meat organs, fish, dairy but more than enough carbohydrates to keep me out of ketosis.
I like low carb in some ways. But long term has down sides. More is stored in fat cells than just fat and those toxins get released too. Can be unpleasant. As a fat burner you can run on less sleep but that comes at a cost too. So you have to look at cost benefit for you. Its better to cycle on and off I find.
I have been on the low carb diet for decades, but have never felt a loss of energy. The information about carbon dioxide is interesting, I know it attracts mosquitoes and that may be why I rarely am attacked by any. My diet is meat and eggs, cheese and yogurt with yard grown fruit only in season and when I have a lack of other foods. Been on this diet since 1983 except when in 1993 I tried to go plant based. The diet I am on seems to work for me, 56 and have never been on any prescription medicine, work outside physically and generally feel great. You can see me on numerous interviews and livestreams as the 39, 40 and 41 year carnivore. I have been warning people about falling for the trendy carnivore hype. They talk about living to 120 years, and other crazy ideas. Lately I have been really concerned that people are getting into echo chamber groups and not thinking for themself. While I never buy fruit or any other plant products I am not against growing and sharing them with friends.
I think keto and carnivore, raw primal carnivore + fruits....etc are all good start to have food awareness and getting away from the horrible SAD diet. The problem is as you said, people get in a box, and very hard for them to make small changes. Steak and Butter Gal is making fake carnivore bread, just like vegans make fake meat.... just get some carbs girl!
This is another echo chamber: the Ray Peat crowd. I think they should just debate their arch rivals, the anti-Vitamin A crowd (Grant Genereux and Garrett Smith) non-stop and leave the rest of us alone, lol. I've listened to some of your interviews. I certainly wouldn't change anything with all the success you've had. There are many horror stories from the Ray Peat world--you just don't hear about them on their channels.
I have enjoyed listening to Dr Elizabeth Bright and her thoughts about a high fat diet. Her take is without fat ( animal not plant ) your cholesterol suffers and so do you because it is needed for hormone production. Stress and inflammation need to be kept to a minimum and surprisingly the adrenals produce most ( 85% ) of our hormones and not the testes/ovaries. She is also big on taking iodine ( Lugols 5% ).
@@nickelndime5 Yeah, she's interesting and good. I also agree with her statement that carbs are entertainment. I do eat a small amount (allowable on keto) and at times go off my diet (especially holidays/vacations, etc.). But I always pay for it and don't seem to get any satiety signals when I eat carbs, whether it's rice/potatoes/fruit or cookies/pie/ice cream. I can basically eat them until I'm sick, unlike meals that are almost pure fat and protein which make me full.
Having a foot in the carnivore and ray pete community Its good to see people who bridge the two. Personally i find whats critical is low-fiber, which ends up being meat and dairy.
Thank you Ash for this pleasant interview. I do have a lot of respect for Kyle's contribution and the information he shared, but it'd be better if he had already collected his words before the interview, instead of thinking them he went along, and it'd be better if he could eased up on his cool attitude for the sake of keeping the listener engaged. I think he and Danny would be the ultimate "or whatever" duo if they were ever put up against each other :) Thank you both again, really enjoyed it, looking forward to the next one with less cool hopefully :)
The Randle cycle just has fat slow down absorption of glucose. This is needed to get you from meal to meal. A carb only meal will have you hungry in an hour. Just eat what your body needs in a day, and balance the meals out. If you’re already overweight then you have higher lipids in the blood anyway so lower fat could be better for insulin sensitivity. But that’s not saying go zero fat
Best dietary advice is your own body. Also many variables, age 21 or 61 , sedentary desk job or physically demanding, medical history, Ectomorph or Endomorph, and the all important Genetics etc etc . I function so well on Carbohydrates, only real whole foods. Never felt good when adopted a higher protein diet, much healthier on a lower adequate protein intake with a mainly carbohydrates diet, carbs are clean burning and much easier on the digestion, perhaps its my Genetics. Its important also to keep Fat and sugar/starch apart 😊
Any idea how to fix joint pain that come with sugar or starches? I have zero joint inflammation on very low carb or carnivore but after a few months of potatoes and white rice, I notice my joint pain and muscle tension are back.
Have you tried getting some glucose from fruits like watermelon? Stop rice and potato and eat fruits instead few hours after eating your largest meal, see how that works for you.
@desmomotodesmomoto2033 I did try but unfortunately fruit gives me severe blood sugar crashes and I need starch to sleep and for a more normal menstruation cycle. I have ibs c so alot of carb sources cause gut issues
@@k41418 Does your consumption of salt increase on higher carb vs low carb? May be salt is the problem assuming that you not using other taste enhancement products. Try only rice and then only potatoes to narrow it down more. Always cook potatoes in water to get rid of any thing that could cause inflammation. I would soak the rice over night for the same reason.
@desmomotodesmomoto2033 thank you for the suggestions. I didn't have an issue when just having potatoes now that I think of it, just since adding white rice in small amounts bc I get blood sugar spikes and crashes from it too. Salt has actually decreased since adding more starch. I craved it and carbonated water on very low carb. Now I find salt too strong and only use a bit, I also have histamine issues and my eyes get super puffy in the morning if i consume salt in the later part of the day. Obviously this was better on low carb as i didnt hang onto fluids the same way.
I love this. When you combine knowledge and common sense you will get exactly somebody like Kyle. Just smart, open minded.. You don't get this from any diet group extremist like vegans, keto, carnivore etc..
if ketosis is so 'stressful' and it is supposedly not a 'natural metabolic state' but a fallback mechanism as he claims, then why are babies in ketosis pretty much all the time if it's so bad for them and unnatural. Also, babies are the fastest growing type of human, muscle, bone, cartilage, organs, nerve cells, tendons, ligaments, all tissues grow grow grow. What makes you think that we can't build some muscle while in ketosis which is relatively minuscule to how much a baby is utilizing protein to grow its entire body while in ketosis. Do we really believe a baby is in a damaging and stressed state while it's in ketosis naturally all the time? I dare say that ketosis is more natural than not being in ketosis. Also, historically speaking, we would have way more access to fat than to carbs. which we did, megafauna, mammoths etc. especially in the arctic during the ice ages, where are you gonna munch on carb sources? from where? all the fruits we have nowadays are genetically modified to be bigger and sweeter, less fibrous, less sour, and less vitamins. we did not eat these fruits we eat nowadays, so i would not say it is a natural state to eat it in such an abundance as we do now. Orange juice made from todays big ass sugary clown oranges are anything but natural to our metabolism. same goes for the tubers and potatoes and vegetables. broccoli didnt exist, kale didnt exist, brussel sprouts didnt exist, all these carb sources were non existent for us. even potatoes were brought over from south america only a few hundred years back, we did not have access to those carb sources, it does not make sense to say that we need them. potatoes originally were extremely toxic (they still are if you eat them raw), so they had to be processed for days in tedious ways, i would hardly call that natural or our primary metabolic state. same goes for grains and bread as a carb source, that is all very recent like maybe 10.000 years ago, it makes no sense to say that before all these weird carb sources we used to be in a 'stressful metabolic state' for hundredssss of thousandssss of years that wasnt natural to us. all these carb sources are extremely recent, and they are very modified and altered, even the 'whole food' ones. This whole logic that ketosis is bad makes no sense, at least not from the perspectives and points that were brought up in this podcast. maybe there are more points and perspectives, but i havent heard it in this talk unfortunately. if anything, there is only more logic to support that carb burning metabolism is worse for us than ketosis, though im not against either. If someone does well on carb for fuel, by all means :) and if you like ketosis, by all means! But this logic that ketosis is worse, or bad, nah im not buying it
I like chocolate mousse , gelato, And a few cookies I don't go crazy but I do eat alot better then I used to I'm not fat, but I find life's too short to ignore a good dessert every week I eat a good dessert. And I'm feeling better. I'm not going to get diabetes. But I can't stand to be without a rounded and satisfying diet. I eat alot of eggs grass fed beef , ghee and coconut to cook with lots of green vegetables raw and cooked. Nuts basically I'm so much happier eating this way.😅
for me its exercise that comes first because that is the buffer for anything we eat.we are made to move if you have metabolic disease its because you are not moving move to buffer oxygen and food . how are you meant to sit there and eat fat and not move beats me
Post menopause here and anytime I try to incorporate carbs I crave so badly sugar. Also, nothing seems to get rid of the pain and inflammation from Rheumatoid Arthritis. Forget exercise, I am happy just to get out of bed, have a shower and manage to get dressed before work. I tried vegan and carnivore and the level of pain goes down with both by about 25% but thats it. So tired!
You're basically describing all the issues mentioned in this video. Both vegan and carnivore diet can be lacking in overall nutrients. No doubt red meat have a whole lot of nutrients, but not all of them. Electrolyte wasting and deficiency is symptom with low carb, and long term mat contribute to poorer or eventual damaged kidney function. Symptom of low electrolytes are muscle cramps, poorer sleep, higher blood pressure, increased heart rate. Rheumatoid arthritis patient tend to also have low potassium level. If you have been not eating enough calories, which there are many videos this channel talked about, that contributes to the low energy as well. Without adequate carb and insulin signaling, and not eating enough, the thyroid function is weaken overtime, this mean downregulation of your overall metabolism so the body is operating in an overall lower energy state. Another common problem with women in post menopause is they tend to be in an estrogen dominant state. Estrogen may not show high in the blood after menopause, but can be high in the tissues. There are many negative effects of high estrogen and it need to be 'balanced' with biological progesterone, the body might not be able to produce enough progesterone in such a low energy state. As mentioned in the video long term low carb can lead to increased stress hormones levels, such as cortisol which upregulate aromatase activity meaning more estrogen. The approach is to fix energy metabolism as a whole. It may be worthwhile to look into the bioenergetic approach. It's not about eating a lot of sugar. It's figuring out your specific needs and getting a "balanced" diet with all the required macro and micro nutrients that work for you, having adequate carb intake is just one of the key point. Coming out of a low energy state you don't want to make too quick and drastic changes as it may be more stressful to the body.
One of the main reasons to adopt a low carb diet stems from the fact that not everyone can effectively process carbohydrates. In a healthy person glucose is tightly controlled. It is a simple method to maintain normal glucose levels. Excess glucose is toxic.
They are giving some medicine to animals which make them fat on half calories, I wonder if that chemical gets fully metabolized or does it get into human food.
Don't we burn both carbs and fat on a mixed macros diet? We aren't a truly 100% carb burner unless we do a very low fat diet permanently, so why fear fat metabolism?
we aren't saying to fear fat metabolism. But when you rely on fat metabolism more than needed, there are consequences. We discuss in the podcast how all macros are being used for fuel to some degree- but your diet influences the %
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 Really we have been eating plants for thousands of years. We get micro nutrients phyto nutrients antioxidants. Fibers help us with pre biotics that form probiotics in the gut naturally such as butyrate, propionate...These help to break down fibers. Fiber cannot be broken down the same as other carbs to glucose. This is why it is a carb. but not considered a carb in terms of people using it for sugar. In fact when we eat whole food carbs such as vegetables this actually slows the digestion of whatever glucose is in the plant we eat. Berries are a great example of this. They have carbs. nutrients but are high in fiber. They help prevent free radical damage, ROS.. plants help our mitochondria and immune health of which 85% is in our gut. People are contributing to their own poor immune health and gut microbiome extinction. People stop and cannot produce enzymes to break these and other foods down now because most people go from Eating a standard american diet with little nutrients to then extremes of diets that eliminate some of the same nutrients. Just because people lose a little weight does not = health. How many people supplement because they are not getting nutrients from their diet? Hadza, one of the last hunter gatherers eat 50g-100g a day in plant fibers have one of the most diverse gut microbiomes an are some of the healthiest people on the planet without much of the "healthcare" in modern society.
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 nutrients are not only energy, but also vitamins and minerals. Plants are essential for Vitamin C and others. And about the fiber: by chewing them to open up the non fiber content of the plant. Besides that certain gut bacteria can break down fiber and make it available for the body to absorb. But gut bacteria can be destroyed by antibiotics and other factors, so gut health is important.
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 Fiber =SCFA we break it down in our gut to form pre/probiotics naturally. Fiber is a carbohydrate technically however, not used as sugar it doesn't negate sugar either Fiber will slow digestion of sugar. We should be getting complex carbs in a whole food carb such as plants, seeds, berries. It is a nutrient deficiency in most diets. It does not block the nutrients we get from the food we get it from. Plants also don't rot in your gut it is fermentation which is helping our gut. we can get the nutrients we need just the same from plants as animals unless we are eating other foods such as anti nutrients like alcohol, sugar, refined processed grains, with high glutens create leaky gut as one example rob out body to be metabolized. I think there are a couple of reasons why people cannot digest plant proteins. One people lose enzymes from extremes of eating and going from SAD to fad diets. I also think when people go back and try to eat fiber they do not acclimate their system. Then people think they cannot eat these. The SAD diet started the problem, but people blame certain whole food we should be eating. We don't get the same bioavailability from some plants nutrients, some animals the same in nutrients. We have been eating animals and fats for thousands of years. People want to blame this or that. They need to look at the cause of the problem is what started or created metabolic dysfunction, gut problems is the ultra processed foods, chemicals, sugar and alcohol. When you take it away yes it helps but what other nutrients are you also taking away. Why we eat is for health nutrients.
No where close to being halfway through and just have to stop. This is so painful to listen to. Not sure who this podcast was made for. Def not the layman listener that wants to help their body. I can listen to the MSE podcasts endlessly everyday but podcasts like this that just drone on and on without any reframing for the non-scientist listener is just really hard.
@@daposevvg no, vocabulary is about choosing a specific word to describe an idea. Language is just the architecture system typically associated with geography or different countries.
And glucose is C6H12O6, 6 carbons, 12 hydrogens and 6 oxygens, hence carbohydrate. Also 100% organic ;) Is your objection that carbohydrate is not specific enough?
@@polysaturated exogenous CHO is a larger molecule that gets broken down into glucose. My objection to her use of the term early in the video is by using CHO as a synonym for glucose, she implies that the human physiology requires Cho, which it does not. The person she is speaking with certainly understands this and tries really hard to show that CHO is a “better” substrate for energy production via metabolism, but he is not convincing, at least to me. It was nice to hear someone actually mention the ETC in the discussion, as most people that are focusing on the macros alone, usually miss that part which is the most significant aspect of energy production. Too bad he doesn’t factor free electrons that can be utilized by the mitochondria from UVB and grounding. That would be a more interesting topic
@@Fwibos that was in 2019 for 1 year :) It felt good until it didnt - metabolism and thyroid tanked. In early 2020 we added back in carbs, and are still thriving with a metabolism-supportive diet today 5 years later: carbs that we do well with, moderate fats (prioritizing saturated, animal fats), animal protein :)
Same, I was doing super great on low carb carnivore for the first 3 years then things started to go south, I added more fat and nothing happened, now I eat some fruits 2 or 3 hours after my big meal and every thing is good now. No more heart palpitations, my hair is not falling any more, no more crazy cravings....etc. My go to fruit is watermelon. I don't workout and I stay away from stress. My main issue was heart palpitations, feeling low energy and liturgic. However, I am in no way close to Saladino's levels of eating carbs.
I am very happy you have found what works for you and tuned into your body's way of communicating with you!
Ancel Keys was right
@@Coach_Jose Follow the nature. In nature we eat meat, some seasonal fruits and honey. Who is Ancel? F Ancel.
@ In nature we eat Low Fat
@@Coach_Jose low fat in nature 😂 all those skinny mammoths we ate for ages 😂 and there were so many carb sources of course, especially in the arctic 👍🏼
I don’t pay much attention to studies. I go with what works for me. I am 70 and been carnivore for over 3 years. All my health issues have been resolved. I am on no meds. I lift heavy weights several times per week. There is no going back for me.
I think my stress hormones have been high ever since a traumatic event early on, so eating less & relying on fat for fuel really tipped the scales & soon ruined my metabolism & digestion.
Stress is fundamentally a draining of resources leading to deprivation, right? These habits are obviously stress-inducing, the potential negative impact just depends on one's reserves/setpoint.
I had a stroke after 18 months on strict carnivore. Happy to discuss.
May i ask your age, what your diet was before carnivore, during and what are you doing now and how are you recovering from the stroke?
@ It was about three years ago. I am 72 now as of 11/6.
I ate a Weston Price diet before. I belong to a buying club that purchases directly from an Amish farm, so I was not at all eating a Standard American Diet for many years.
I developed an enlarged prostate which is why I went on Paleo Ketogenic Diet, fatty red meat, eggs and organs, no dairy.
Ketosis is a stressor. You increase stress hormones like cortisol. Stroke risk goes up because of it.
I recovered very fast. No long term damage.
I eat animal based now. Meat organs, fish, dairy but more than enough carbohydrates to keep me out of ketosis.
That is sad. 😢
I like low carb in some ways. But long term has down sides. More is stored in fat cells than just fat and those toxins get released too. Can be unpleasant.
As a fat burner you can run on less sleep but that comes at a cost too. So you have to look at cost benefit for you. Its better to cycle on and off I find.
Wow Ashley you have really changed in the last few years! Hope that you see that as a compliment!
Why not having more chats with him he is so knowledgeable
we will be! He got married and had a child! We will bring him back on next year :)
I have been on the low carb diet for decades, but have never felt a loss of energy. The information about carbon dioxide is interesting, I know it attracts mosquitoes and that may be why I rarely am attacked by any. My diet is meat and eggs, cheese and yogurt with yard grown fruit only in season and when I have a lack of other foods. Been on this diet since 1983 except when in 1993 I tried to go plant based. The diet I am on seems to work for me, 56 and have never been on any prescription medicine, work outside physically and generally feel great. You can see me on numerous interviews and livestreams as the 39, 40 and 41 year carnivore. I have been warning people about falling for the trendy carnivore hype. They talk about living to 120 years, and other crazy ideas. Lately I have been really concerned that people are getting into echo chamber groups and not thinking for themself. While I never buy fruit or any other plant products I am not against growing and sharing them with friends.
I think keto and carnivore, raw primal carnivore + fruits....etc are all good start to have food awareness and getting away from the horrible SAD diet. The problem is as you said, people get in a box, and very hard for them to make small changes. Steak and Butter Gal is making fake carnivore bread, just like vegans make fake meat.... just get some carbs girl!
This is another echo chamber: the Ray Peat crowd. I think they should just debate their arch rivals, the anti-Vitamin A crowd (Grant Genereux and Garrett Smith) non-stop and leave the rest of us alone, lol.
I've listened to some of your interviews. I certainly wouldn't change anything with all the success you've had. There are many horror stories from the Ray Peat world--you just don't hear about them on their channels.
@@johnp7739 It's good to know that you have seen some of my interviews. You probably are familiar with the Heart Attack Diet, ducks and iguanas than!
I have enjoyed listening to Dr Elizabeth Bright and her thoughts about a high fat diet. Her take is without fat ( animal not plant ) your cholesterol suffers and so do you
because it is needed for hormone production. Stress and inflammation need to be kept to a minimum and surprisingly the adrenals produce most ( 85% ) of our hormones
and not the testes/ovaries. She is also big on taking iodine ( Lugols 5% ).
@@nickelndime5 Yeah, she's interesting and good. I also agree with her statement that carbs are entertainment. I do eat a small amount (allowable on keto) and at times go off my diet (especially holidays/vacations, etc.). But I always pay for it and don't seem to get any satiety signals when I eat carbs, whether it's rice/potatoes/fruit or cookies/pie/ice cream. I can basically eat them until I'm sick, unlike meals that are almost pure fat and protein which make me full.
Appreciate this information greatly ❤
Having a foot in the carnivore and ray pete community Its good to see people who bridge the two.
Personally i find whats critical is low-fiber, which ends up being meat and dairy.
Thank you Ash for this pleasant interview. I do have a lot of respect for Kyle's contribution and the information he shared, but it'd be better if he had already collected his words before the interview, instead of thinking them he went along, and it'd be better if he could eased up on his cool attitude for the sake of keeping the listener engaged. I think he and Danny would be the ultimate "or whatever" duo if they were ever put up against each other :) Thank you both again, really enjoyed it, looking forward to the next one with less cool hopefully :)
No discussion of the Randle cycle (glucose fatty acid cycle). Why? And do you recommend having one meal with carbs and anther fat and protein?
The Randle cycle just has fat slow down absorption of glucose. This is needed to get you from meal to meal. A carb only meal will have you hungry in an hour.
Just eat what your body needs in a day, and balance the meals out.
If you’re already overweight then you have higher lipids in the blood anyway so lower fat could be better for insulin sensitivity. But that’s not saying go zero fat
Best dietary advice is your own body. Also many variables, age 21 or 61 , sedentary desk job or physically demanding, medical history, Ectomorph or Endomorph, and the all important Genetics etc etc . I function so well on Carbohydrates, only real whole foods. Never felt good when adopted a higher protein diet, much healthier on a lower adequate protein intake with a mainly carbohydrates diet, carbs are clean burning and much easier on the digestion, perhaps its my Genetics. Its important also to keep Fat and sugar/starch apart 😊
Book marking this for later!
So excited to listen ❤😊
Any idea how to fix joint pain that come with sugar or starches? I have zero joint inflammation on very low carb or carnivore but after a few months of potatoes and white rice, I notice my joint pain and muscle tension are back.
Have you tried getting some glucose from fruits like watermelon? Stop rice and potato and eat fruits instead few hours after eating your largest meal, see how that works for you.
@desmomotodesmomoto2033 I did try but unfortunately fruit gives me severe blood sugar crashes and I need starch to sleep and for a more normal menstruation cycle. I have ibs c so alot of carb sources cause gut issues
@@k41418 Does your consumption of salt increase on higher carb vs low carb? May be salt is the problem assuming that you not using other taste enhancement products. Try only rice and then only potatoes to narrow it down more. Always cook potatoes in water to get rid of any thing that could cause inflammation. I would soak the rice over night for the same reason.
@desmomotodesmomoto2033 thank you for the suggestions. I didn't have an issue when just having potatoes now that I think of it, just since adding white rice in small amounts bc I get blood sugar spikes and crashes from it too. Salt has actually decreased since adding more starch. I craved it and carbonated water on very low carb. Now I find salt too strong and only use a bit, I also have histamine issues and my eyes get super puffy in the morning if i consume salt in the later part of the day. Obviously this was better on low carb as i didnt hang onto fluids the same way.
Me too
I love this. When you combine knowledge and common sense you will get exactly somebody like Kyle. Just smart, open minded.. You don't get this from any diet group extremist like vegans, keto, carnivore etc..
Ancel Keys was right
if ketosis is so 'stressful' and it is supposedly not a 'natural metabolic state' but a fallback mechanism as he claims, then why are babies in ketosis pretty much all the time if it's so bad for them and unnatural. Also, babies are the fastest growing type of human, muscle, bone, cartilage, organs, nerve cells, tendons, ligaments, all tissues grow grow grow. What makes you think that we can't build some muscle while in ketosis which is relatively minuscule to how much a baby is utilizing protein to grow its entire body while in ketosis. Do we really believe a baby is in a damaging and stressed state while it's in ketosis naturally all the time? I dare say that ketosis is more natural than not being in ketosis.
Also, historically speaking, we would have way more access to fat than to carbs. which we did, megafauna, mammoths etc. especially in the arctic during the ice ages, where are you gonna munch on carb sources? from where? all the fruits we have nowadays are genetically modified to be bigger and sweeter, less fibrous, less sour, and less vitamins. we did not eat these fruits we eat nowadays, so i would not say it is a natural state to eat it in such an abundance as we do now. Orange juice made from todays big ass sugary clown oranges are anything but natural to our metabolism. same goes for the tubers and potatoes and vegetables. broccoli didnt exist, kale didnt exist, brussel sprouts didnt exist, all these carb sources were non existent for us. even potatoes were brought over from south america only a few hundred years back, we did not have access to those carb sources, it does not make sense to say that we need them. potatoes originally were extremely toxic (they still are if you eat them raw), so they had to be processed for days in tedious ways, i would hardly call that natural or our primary metabolic state. same goes for grains and bread as a carb source, that is all very recent like maybe 10.000 years ago, it makes no sense to say that before all these weird carb sources we used to be in a 'stressful metabolic state' for hundredssss of thousandssss of years that wasnt natural to us.
all these carb sources are extremely recent, and they are very modified and altered, even the 'whole food' ones. This whole logic that ketosis is bad makes no sense, at least not from the perspectives and points that were brought up in this podcast. maybe there are more points and perspectives, but i havent heard it in this talk unfortunately. if anything, there is only more logic to support that carb burning metabolism is worse for us than ketosis, though im not against either. If someone does well on carb for fuel, by all means :) and if you like ketosis, by all means! But this logic that ketosis is worse, or bad, nah im not buying it
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I like chocolate mousse , gelato,
And a few cookies I don't go crazy but I do eat alot better then I used to I'm not fat, but I find life's too short to ignore a good dessert every week I eat a good dessert.
And I'm feeling better. I'm not going to get diabetes. But I can't stand to be without a rounded and satisfying diet.
I eat alot of eggs grass fed beef , ghee and coconut to cook with lots of green vegetables raw and cooked. Nuts basically I'm so much happier eating this way.😅
for me its exercise that comes first because that is the buffer for anything we eat.we are made to move if you have metabolic disease its because you are not moving move to buffer oxygen and food .
how are you meant to sit there and eat fat and not move beats me
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Post menopause here and anytime I try to incorporate carbs I crave so badly sugar. Also, nothing seems to get rid of the pain and inflammation from Rheumatoid Arthritis. Forget exercise, I am happy just to get out of bed, have a shower and manage to get dressed before work. I tried vegan and carnivore and the level of pain goes down with both by about 25% but thats it. So tired!
You're basically describing all the issues mentioned in this video. Both vegan and carnivore diet can be lacking in overall nutrients. No doubt red meat have a whole lot of nutrients, but not all of them. Electrolyte wasting and deficiency is symptom with low carb, and long term mat contribute to poorer or eventual damaged kidney function. Symptom of low electrolytes are muscle cramps, poorer sleep, higher blood pressure, increased heart rate. Rheumatoid arthritis patient tend to also have low potassium level. If you have been not eating enough calories, which there are many videos this channel talked about, that contributes to the low energy as well. Without adequate carb and insulin signaling, and not eating enough, the thyroid function is weaken overtime, this mean downregulation of your overall metabolism so the body is operating in an overall lower energy state. Another common problem with women in post menopause is they tend to be in an estrogen dominant state. Estrogen may not show high in the blood after menopause, but can be high in the tissues. There are many negative effects of high estrogen and it need to be 'balanced' with biological progesterone, the body might not be able to produce enough progesterone in such a low energy state. As mentioned in the video long term low carb can lead to increased stress hormones levels, such as cortisol which upregulate aromatase activity meaning more estrogen.
The approach is to fix energy metabolism as a whole. It may be worthwhile to look into the bioenergetic approach. It's not about eating a lot of sugar. It's figuring out your specific needs and getting a "balanced" diet with all the required macro and micro nutrients that work for you, having adequate carb intake is just one of the key point. Coming out of a low energy state you don't want to make too quick and drastic changes as it may be more stressful to the body.
@vicki5472 Try vitamin B1, specifically Benfotiamine for your RA. Look up Dr. Berg and RA for more info.
Have you tried daily sunrises? I am in menapause. I watch sunrises daily and stay outside for at least three hours. No pain
Progesterone deficiency comes to mind. And estrogen dominance in relation to progesterone
Sounds like CIRS, inflammation from mold exposure. I think I'd explore that possibility!
One of the main reasons to adopt a low carb diet stems from the fact that not everyone can effectively process carbohydrates. In a healthy person glucose is tightly controlled.
It is a simple method to maintain normal glucose levels. Excess glucose is toxic.
Blood sugar can damage blood vessels and heart. That's where cholesterol comes from.
Please subtitles to other languaje
They are giving some medicine to animals which make them fat on half calories, I wonder if that chemical gets fully metabolized or does it get into human food.
Don't we burn both carbs and fat on a mixed macros diet? We aren't a truly 100% carb burner unless we do a very low fat diet permanently, so why fear fat metabolism?
we aren't saying to fear fat metabolism. But when you rely on fat metabolism more than needed, there are consequences. We discuss in the podcast how all macros are being used for fuel to some degree- but your diet influences the %
This is true this is metabolic flexibility but, we need nutrients from plants and whole foods. Real food is not the problem
Plants? How can we get nutrition from plants when we are unable to break down fiber to get to these nutritions?
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 Really we have been eating plants for thousands of years. We get micro nutrients phyto nutrients antioxidants. Fibers help us with pre biotics that form probiotics in the gut naturally such as butyrate, propionate...These help to break down fibers. Fiber cannot be broken down the same as other carbs to glucose. This is why it is a carb. but not considered a carb in terms of people using it for sugar. In fact when we eat whole food carbs such as vegetables this actually slows the digestion of whatever glucose is in the plant we eat. Berries are a great example of this. They have carbs. nutrients but are high in fiber. They help prevent free radical damage, ROS.. plants help our mitochondria and immune health of which 85% is in our gut. People are contributing to their own poor immune health and gut microbiome extinction. People stop and cannot produce enzymes to break these and other foods down now because most people go from Eating a standard american diet with little nutrients to then extremes of diets that eliminate some of the same nutrients. Just because people lose a little weight does not = health. How many people supplement because they are not getting nutrients from their diet? Hadza, one of the last hunter gatherers eat 50g-100g a day in plant fibers have one of the most diverse gut microbiomes an are some of the healthiest people on the planet without much of the "healthcare" in modern society.
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 nutrients are not only energy, but also vitamins and minerals. Plants are essential for Vitamin C and others. And about the fiber: by chewing them to open up the non fiber content of the plant. Besides that certain gut bacteria can break down fiber and make it available for the body to absorb. But gut bacteria can be destroyed by antibiotics and other factors, so gut health is important.
@@desmomotodesmomoto2033 Fiber =SCFA we break it down in our gut to form pre/probiotics naturally.
Fiber is a carbohydrate technically however, not used as sugar it doesn't negate sugar either
Fiber will slow digestion of sugar. We should be getting complex carbs in a whole food carb such as plants, seeds, berries. It is a nutrient deficiency in most diets. It does not block the nutrients we get from the food we get it from. Plants also don't rot in your gut it is fermentation which is helping our gut. we can get the nutrients we need just the same from plants as animals unless we are eating other foods such as anti nutrients like alcohol, sugar, refined processed grains, with high glutens create leaky gut as one example rob out body to be metabolized. I think there are a couple of reasons why people cannot digest plant proteins. One people lose enzymes from extremes of eating and going from SAD to fad diets. I also think when people go back and try to eat fiber they do not acclimate their system. Then people think they cannot eat these. The SAD diet started the problem, but people blame certain whole food we should be eating. We don't get the same bioavailability from some plants nutrients, some animals the same in nutrients.
We have been eating animals and fats for thousands of years. People want to blame this or that. They need to look at the cause of the problem is what started or created metabolic dysfunction, gut problems is the ultra processed foods, chemicals, sugar and alcohol. When you take it away yes it helps but what other nutrients are you also taking away. Why we eat is for health nutrients.
@@Mathias-ji2qc Then go vegan to see what gona happen to you.
@1:05:48 lol the effort to restrain to community guidelines
No where close to being halfway through and just have to stop. This is so painful to listen to. Not sure who this podcast was made for. Def not the layman listener that wants to help their body. I can listen to the MSE podcasts endlessly everyday but podcasts like this that just drone on and on without any reframing for the non-scientist listener is just really hard.
Definitely agree...never heard Kyle offer much of any useful information. Seems wrapped up in his own person.
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Your body doesn’t require carbohydrate, it requires glucose. These are not the same thing and your vocabulary should reflect this reality
Vocabulary? Did you mean their language should reflect that.
@@daposevvg no, vocabulary is about choosing a specific word to describe an idea. Language is just the architecture system typically associated with geography or different countries.
They did speak about glucose in length
And glucose is C6H12O6, 6 carbons, 12 hydrogens and 6 oxygens, hence carbohydrate. Also 100% organic ;) Is your objection that carbohydrate is not specific enough?
@@polysaturated exogenous CHO is a larger molecule that gets broken down into glucose. My objection to her use of the term early in the video is by using CHO as a synonym for glucose, she implies that the human physiology requires Cho, which it does not. The person she is speaking with certainly understands this and tries really hard to show that CHO is a “better” substrate for energy production via metabolism, but he is not convincing, at least to me. It was nice to hear someone actually mention the ETC in the discussion, as most people that are focusing on the macros alone, usually miss that part which is the most significant aspect of energy production. Too bad he doesn’t factor free electrons that can be utilized by the mitochondria from UVB and grounding. That would be a more interesting topic
Ah. Ok, a boy with a PhD. Hmm. We can skip this. Let’s try to listen a few minutes .. ok. Done. Next 🔜
The heck happened to y'all?
What do you mean?
@SG-ji5ij when I subscribed they weren't pushing sugar.
@@Fwibos Apparently they did carnivore for 1 year and experienced thyroid issues.
@SG-ji5ij that's why I subscribed, when they were carnivore.
@@Fwibos that was in 2019 for 1 year :) It felt good until it didnt - metabolism and thyroid tanked. In early 2020 we added back in carbs, and are still thriving with a metabolism-supportive diet today 5 years later: carbs that we do well with, moderate fats (prioritizing saturated, animal fats), animal protein :)