MULTIPLE GREEN LASER STRIKES on Airplanes at Indianapolis!
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As someone who’s been on the receiving end of this, PLEASE DON’T DO THIS! Especially at night it can really affect your eyes and make them feel burned. I don’t know why people get a kick out of putting these pilots in danger and risk the chance of being thrown in jail…
Do this to military helicopters. They’ll think its cool trust me they wont immediately identify your exact location.
@@jyggalag169Or the police helicopters. Pretty sure they'll find the joke funny.
Are we talking a green laser pointer, or a big laser like they use at concerts? Would a laser pointer be intense enough to cause an issue? (Not that I would do it anyway, just curious.)
@@DaddyBeanDaddyBeanBecause people still buy “laser pointers” that are not class II, even though they don’t need them. Nobody outside of industry/science/engineering needs them.
A lot of nihilism and cowardice out there these days
Somebody wants to go to jail!
I do
Whoever strikes lasers at planes needs to be jailed.
It IS a federal crime to point a laser at an aircraft...the FAA says so on their website.
Jailed then sentence to death
Isn’t that’s why it’s a federal felony
@@pkelly3463or here me out they get put in a cell full of lasers fallowing them
@@kikuaviation3878 right that’s what I’m saying
I’ve experienced 3 laser events as a flight instructor. After the first two I learned to turn off all exterior lighting so that they can’t find you. Tried it on round 3 - it worked. Turned lights back on a minute or so later.
Same. It has become so frequent we call it “stealth mode”. They come out of Mexico as we instruct near the border.
I was curious of the legality, so went looking. At least for Part 91, it appears to be somewhat explicitly allowed. Per 14 CFR § 91.209:
"Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off."
Beyond that, there's always the blanket statement "In an emergency that requires immediate decision and action for the safety of the flight, the pilot in command of an aircraft may deviate..."
That said, I don't think I'd run dark unless I was IFR in positively controlled airspace. With ADS-B it's arguably not unreasonably risky to do it VFR for a minute, and my opinion would probably change if my retinas were being seared by a stupidly powerful Alicrapess laser.
I fly out of Indy all the time. When I tell you, this has been happening for MONTHS. Everyone knows of the notorious green laser.
Been happening here for decades.
Is it just punk kids or everybody? I can't imagine intentionally trying to blind the cockpit.
I have been a charter boat captain for over 23 years and with All the other elements weather and what not and issues with the vessel or any number of small issues..limited viz is a huge one for us. We don't have ATC, we have a regular ol radar anyone can purchase for $2500 on a MFD system.
Point being when I am in whiteout fog and it's low light (early or late) the last phucken thing I/ we need is another distraction.
I have commercial and private pilots as customers and both have said in their opinions running boats is way harder due to the lack of someone else watching.
Anyone can go buy a boat you don't need a license. Now they require people born prior to XYZ dates to take a safe boaters course. This is the same exact text they give to people renting jetskies. How do I know that well because I owned a parasail & waverunner business.
It's absurd the limited amount of anything you have to demonstrate on a vessel to operate it. I have over 40k hours on the water in a professional role and I can't express how nuts it is for someone to be able to drop 2 mill++ on a go fast 42Freeman with quad outboards and they don't need to show shit that they know the wheel from the anchor 😂😂😂
I had heard, over the radio, about a similar incident two months ago when I was flying back and forth between Indy Metro and Louisville on a night cross-country.
@@stevenhayden9572 could've been me. i experienced the green laser on downwind for 5L a couple months ago
That's absolutely horrible!
My record is 3 laser strikes in one flight when I was working as an instructor in Indiana. That area has a notorious problem.
Man those guys with those stupid f**king lasers. Those things are so dangerous. Keep up the good work VASAviation!
Its not the laser.. its the dumbass using them.
Got hit with about 5 separate lasers landing at MFE a few weeks ago….right downwind for rwy 32. They were coming from the Mexican side. Controller said there’s nothing we can do about it. Filed a report. A-Holes.
Airlines should install anti-laser lasers. Somebody on the ground points a laser at the plane, the plane locates them and shines one back even brighter, blinding them 😂
It would be self-defence, really. Add a camera for proof of the inciting laser and some paperwork to do, and it isn't a bad idea IMO.
ISM "Idiot Seeking Missile" Billion dollar industry in today's world.
Just the location feature of this would be useful
It would be brilliant if radar software could be developed that would identify the location of the laser when it strikes the aircraft and somehow lock onto the laser itself as it travels. Similar to the trackers for luggage that have GPS. We've invented the atom bomb, this can't be too hard to come up with.
@@johannesbols57 don't want radar for that. Basically you just want a modified detector used for laser guided missiles/bombs
It's probably a good thing I don't live in Indianapolis. I'd be severely tempted to organize a "red laser party" to go find the green laser guy and see if we can make him shit his shorts. (You're allowed to dream it. Just not allowed to do it.)
Hah i just thought up a novel punishment. Since house cats go crazy over that red light, maybe a few house cats can assist in his punishment...
@@markmaki4460 Too lenient - use alleycats.
@@phillee2814 giggles
@@phillee2814 Thumbs up!
@@phillee2814 A couple of lions, maybe?
I was a passenger on an AA flight that was passing over El Paso at around 35,000 feet and could see a green laser pointing at our aircraft. There really needs to be a tracing system to pinpoint the origin of these hooligans.
New Tiktok challenge: See how long you can hold your green laser in your own eyes.
WARNING: Please do not look at laser with remaining eye.
@@xheralt If you're shining it at aircraft, disregard this warning.
@@xheralt yeah
Especially ones with higher than 5mW
It’s always coming from that position or beneath MOSLY to the southeast. As an instructor I think I had a third of my night flights illuminated by a laser over the course of a year
A laser is, for the most part, a convenient and invaluable tool. It is too bad some people use them irresponsibly. The cockpit crew already has plenty to take care of and worry about during the short final. An unwanted distraction is the last thing they need on top of the preparations during a critical moment.
I use them for star parties quite often, but as an aviation enthusiast I am so cognizant as to where I am pointing it, and I never point it at ANYTHING that I am not sure what it is. This is going to ruin it for all of us.
Say that louder for the rest of the commenters who are globally bashing the rest of us who are responsible enough to use them.
@@CapStar362 Like it happened with drones, lasers get misused. One time, at a job site, an employee was using a powerful laser to target my eyes. Pretty stupid because you can see the point of origin. I was able to immediately block my eyes and pointed at their van. They knew they had been had, so they stopped. The misuse of such devices in an industrial site results in immediate termination.
Very serious federal jail time for this...... US attorneys vigorously prosecute this offense. FBI has been involved in these case. These lasers can injure eyes permanently. The also can cause temporary loss of night vision.... imagine both pilots losing night vision on a 3 mile final.... that why it's serious federal time for yhis offence
Federal up to 5 years in prison and or 250 k fine
Civil fine FAA $10000 per offense
Wow just wow
Did you happen to catch what happened with FlexJet LXJ347 on Tuesday, April 30th? They dove several thousand feet at 21.33 UTC, and quickly diverted to Columbia.
Here's what little I cobbled together: They took off from Pontiac MI, everything was normal until some time after they reached FL450. Then they did a hard turn and an insane rapid five from 45000 ft to 10000 ft in a matter of minutes, diverted to Columbia while still descending. I tried to catch it on LiveATC, but I can only track the audio until ZOB45 Ultra Hi, somewhere above Findlay (OH) around 21.20-ish UTC, where they're directed to contact 128.77 which is ZID98. Except instead of turning towards ZID98, they appear to veer towards what I think is ZID97 (Marion, Delaware, Columbia). They go from squawking 7700 at 21.33 UTC to being on the ground at 21.53. Insanely curious as to what caused the dive.
I wonder if it could have been some kind of pressure alarm? The descent was quick but airspeed seemed pretty in control. And first leveling out was at 10k feet. Or maybe a medical emergency.
@@hunterwyeth my guess was depressurized cabin as well, considering the rapid decent and brief leveling at 10k feet. If you look at the graph of the dive on FlightAware, it's bonkers.
JSX hard landing and gear collapse landing in HOU yesterday 5/03. Would love to hear the ATC of that
I was flying home to IND from Philly late at night on April 14, and I must’ve seen that exact same laser on approach. I thought it was more northeast of downtown though, although I may be wrong. First time I’d seen a laser on approach to IND…I fly in and out all the time, many times at night. I’m sure it’s worse for the pilots…it was certainly uncomfortable for me to see. Thanks for covering this and reminding me about it!
This occurred on Feb 27, but could have been the same morons!
So I’d just like to mention downtown Indy (which is directly in the path of the approaches for 23L/R) has seen a pretty large uptick in activity when it comes to the night life in recent years. Concerts, clubs, bars, all that stuff.
Was a passenger on a plane at cruising altitudes, looking directly down and saw a laser illuminate the plane. At least they werent blinding a pilot on approach.
That would put the laser in the area of IUPUI near downtown Indy....
It’s a little past IUPUI, more northwest of there.
I've seen this kind of incident many times, but it always seems difficult for pilots to pinpoint exactly where the laser is coming from in the air. I'm curious if these incidents are always difficult to catch the culprit
Aircraft should have a system that pinpoints exactly where the laser is on a map. This should not even be a new invention.
I'm sure the tech exists, but applying it to a fleet of aircraft and obtaining the required authorizations to do so would likely be prohibitively expensive.
All the pilot has to do is describe where they are (3 dimensions) then the angle, deflection and distance.
Do some trigonometry. Done. Easy
@@soccerguy2433 Yes, cops can easily catch those responsible for such an assault with those data and enough time, but unless the perpetrator is alone, proving who was responsible for the assault beyond reasonable doubt is difficult, unless they are caught in the act (or confess).
@@soccerguy2433 The pilots are busy flying and monitoring the aircraft… Very easy to tell you’re a smartass that’s not a pilot.
@@soccerguy2433 yup, ive already figured out the relevant neighborhood here - Haughville/West End
Sadly, my grandmother used to live there, that is not the friendliest or the smartest neighborhood either
Planes just need a system to utilize the laser beam as a means to target the source of the laser. Any laser that hits the windscreen releases a care package in a laser-guided festive metal tube filled with your choice of any one of a variety of moldable, highly energetic substances that like to change form in the fastest way possible. They'd probably only need to do it once.
Been flying out of indy for years and this has always been a problem
Where can I submit a video review? We had an EXTREMELY close call today at my local airport 1H0 where the pilots struggled maintaining altitude and kudos to them! When they disappeared behind the tree line we all were expecting to hear the engine die
I keep my Spyder Arctic III from Wicked Lasers in my flight bag for that purpose. SkyWars 3: The Plane Strikes Back.
I’d totally do it too if I wasn’t concerned about the laser reflecting off the glass and back into my face. My laser would instantly blind me, so I don’t actually strike back I just wish I could.
can laser brings damage to the aircraft? or just to eyes?
I once hit by laser coming from downtown building. I am standing on top of a 400m mountain. I can almost get its exact location from my DSLR camera photo.
I’ve had this happen at night and it absolutely will blind you in the airplane just lights up the whole cockpit and destroys your night vision. NOT COOL !
I am not a pilot, and I’m not justifying or downplaying laser strikes I’m just curious… do the lasers affect any of the sensors or instruments on the plane? Or is it only a visual/pilot discomfort issue?
Anti-laser windscreen film and eyewear is being developed. It's auto darkening as found in welding helmets.
That's even worse: blacked out windscreens on landing... Wait until that malfunctions.
@@detritus23 I'd rather the pilots who are trained to be able to fly on instruments can still see those. If they can't see anything at all even inside the cockpit then there is a major problem.
I'm waiting for when they come out with some tech that projects the landscape onto the entire window in real time almost like you're playing a flight simulator. Imagine how useful that would be at night or flying in a heavy storm.
@@TheRedRaven_ it's not that far fetched, some instrument panels already do something similar to that. It's only on a display for now though and not the highest quality.
@@TheRedRaven_ They do: its called a "heads-up display." While landscape projection may seem like a great idea, it is a technological trap: if the processing presenting the information on the windows falls behind real-time aircraft position, then the information is worse than useless, it's dangerous. (Also, the weight, complexity, and cost of such systems would likely restrict their adoption, particularly when most instrument rated pilots are trained to fly "under the hood.") The better option would be for wider adoption of HUDs in commercial aircraft.
I see a lot of ufo spotters using green lasers which I’ve always thought dangerous
ELI5: How can anyone have the accuracy to point a laser at a cockpit that's a couple of miles away?
Its incidents like this that ban hobbyists from making burning lasers and such
Like cmon YOU'RE MAKING LASERS AKA A VERY COOL PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY ACTUALLY ILLEGAL IN THE USA!
Yikes!
More like unauthorized loser event. Jail!
In the Middle East you'd have your eyes removed for this.
@@johannesbols57 …..ok??
Eskenazi Hospital -
Oooh, I know exactly where he is talking about as well, one of my grandmothers is from that neighborhood across the river. There are no 'abandoned' warehouses in that there either, in fact, the only warehouse is The Cargill Corn plant directly west of the hospital. Since CKERD is 5.4, the strikes came from 11 clock that's Haughville and West End - not the friendliest of neighborhoods either.
Hope they catch those clowns though.
Don't people know this can cause a deadly crash, and that tracking them down is easier than they think? People go-to jail all the time for this. Maybe they need to start going to prison instead? It's beyond reckless endangerment because they have to aim it, so it's completely intentional and direct. Would this be attempted murder?
It should be charged and tried as an act of attempted murder, terrorism, and/or deliberate interference in the safe conduct of flights (like hijacking would be) although I've no idea exactly what charges are available in those categories.
@@phillee2814 agreed 👍
10 years in jail sounds about right for these idiots.
I'm assuming you meant prison, I agree.
@@androidphone1901 In most countries the two terms are interchangeable synonyms, but I understand that the US graduates them in some way, and prison is the more serious.
@@phillee2814 exactly, usually prison is longer term and meant for more serious offenders. I agree with him tho, this is serious and the people aiming lasers at aircraft don't realize their friends or family could be riding on those planes.
If this was Melbourne Australia they'd have been arrested in about two minutes. Can't they just fit planes with a laser locator in troubled areas and maybe a few small air to surface missiles?😂
1:23 Am I the only one that things the ground looks like an airplane? I see what you did there!
I trust the culprits were eventually caught and flogged.
In the UK they put up a police helicopter to pinpoint the address. I think they also have a tool that reads the signature of the laser so they can doubly prove that was the one used.
Not sure a CW laser has a "signature" per se.
What I heard this that the high-powered lasers get hot: so that they show up on IR. IR may even show a line of heated particles back to the ground too.
@@jamesphillips2285 Only thing I can think of is a spectrometer; that would give you the laser's emission characteristics, but it would only really be valuable for proving a particular laser had not been used.
A few surveillance cameras in high risk areas could locate the loser with the laser?
... almost makes you want to send a laserguided projectile without a designator in that general direction. "What's that?" *zap* "Oh, now it's coming right for meOHNOCRA.." *boom*
That's not how it works.
@@mattz1230That’s exactly how it works if the missile is programmed to not filter out the source. Normally missiles are somewhat source-averse for obvious reasons. In general homing onto a “laser pointer” source is much easier than onto an illuminated target. There’s just much more light. A very narrow filter can also be used to discard most other light so that the missile only sees the source. With a green laser it’s especially nice since there are two wavelengths - the pumping IR and the unconverted green. That’s a very characteristic green laser pointer signature and no other natural or man-made sources have it. In other words - homing onto a green laser pointer with a high degree of certainty is a much easier task than homing onto other light sources.
@@absurdengineering NOT AT ALL.
A missile is looking for a spot of reflected energy at a specific wavelength. When a laser EMITS it is in a very tight cone, less than a half a mil- essentially a point. Because this light is not being scattered, the seeker can't see it. The light has to strike a target and lose coherence to be used for seeking.
And if you think that seekers can be programmed to not seek a source, then you don't understand lasers.
@@mattz1230Designated target homing missiles have light intensity limits so if shit happens they won’t cause friendly fire incidents.
There’s plenty of scattered light from a green laser pointer, and the wavelengths are so unique that a decent pair of image-intensified image sensors, one filtered for IR, the other for the green wavelength, will do the job of picking it out in the urban environment no problem.
The target-designated missiles you talk about were designed for a particular job they do well. had hoped it is obvious that the missile’s tracker would need to be custom designed for this green-laser hunting job. No off-the-shelf missile would do it, nor should it.
@@absurdengineering 1. There is no limiter, because you want a missile to work at all ranges.
2. Lasers, by definition, don't scatter light.
3. GLP are not unique in their frequencies. There is a wide band for them.
4. Why are you trying to kill people against the law, Constitution against ethics?
It's too bad we can't have laser-seeking missiles.
Give them a minimum 5 years in Federal corrections for Risking a catastrophe, which is an act of Domestic Terrorism. That much time in corrections, they won't be walking right when they get out! 🤣
I hope there has been a real pause in atc caused runway intrusions. Victor, you are a major force in aviation safety! 😊
Sharks in the river with frickin laser beams?
What’s fun about doing that? I don’t get it.
Tik Tok retaliation?
Any injuries? how potent did he think that laser was
Shameful!
Somebody is getting a phone call
and this is why those of us who are responsible enough to own lasers - CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
Mr Anonymous, if you actually knew something about these LASER Pointers.
Most of them are not "high powered", they are Class IIIB LASER devices emitting less than 10mW of radiated energy. The simple fact is human eyes are the MOST receptive to GREEN. Because of this, Green Lasers are the most visible.
"High Powered" applies to devices emitting 100mW or more and can actually visually burn/cut materials and cause near instant physical blindness. I actually own "high power" lasers, but at least for matters at hand, I never point them skywards without doing a visual ( looking for NAV/Strobes ) and ADSB/RADAR verified check for traffic within a 75 Degree Arc of the sky around me.
10mW of LASER energy can travel on-wards of 15 miles and be still visible though heavily dispersed and looks more like a super long range spotlight than anything resembling a LASER 'dot' that also depends on origination point of line of sight and horizon distance.
the problem is, rather than actually tackling the issue with LASER detection, our brilliant Government just decided to ban them, this forced all the cheaper companies who mislabel devices for a quick sell to get products sold, and those of us who are responsible enough, used to have access to decent pointers and devices now, have to fork out $1000+ for devices that certify to remain to be sold.
outright banning them only made the issue worse.
I've had these about 10 times in the past 20 years. They really ought to limit the power of these things, and/or require some sort of licensing for anything with real power.
That and NAIL the spoiled brats that are doing this stuff!
Thing is just about any power level will send that focused beam a good distance.
The power IS limited already...
@@FishFind3000 A small laser pointer isn't going to cause a problem for pilots. What these clowns are using is many times more powerful and their have been eye injuries.
@@Flies2FLLeven the small green ones are bad news, the beam spreads out and refracts in the cockpit windows
Morality can't be legislated. It's not the Lazer. It's the people. Giving government more control isn't the answer.
I honestly don't see the joy in this kind of prank. Even if you are a prankster you want to see the reaction don't you. Like you scare somebody you want to see the reaction. If you are throwing a lazer at an airplane what is the expected reaction? a crash?
These people now know the damage these lasers can do.
They need to be in prison for a very very long time.
In the UK they get a slap on the wrist in the rare instances they get caught.
21 seconds!
I forget, why are lasers such a danger? Does it mess with navigation equipment or something?
Lasers hitting the flight deck glass can and has in the past cause eye damage and temporary blindness which leads to an incapacitated flight crew.
Try driving with a laser pointed at your eyes. It's not difficult to understand why it's dangerous.
It can blind the pilots, ranging from reflections on the windows and instruments up to high energy beams right into the eyes which can damage them.
Lasers (especially cheap pointers) diverge extremely quickly to the point where they're basically not an eye hazard after 500-1000ft. The issue is it's still a lot of light and if a laser hits the cockpit it will illuminate the cockpit causing the pilots to lose their adjusted night vision which is very dangerous.
Thanks guys. We all want to land safe. Any intentional action to put innocent people in danger is downright wrong.
Anything can happen once.
Something’s happen twice, and it’s probably a coincidence.
But, if it happens a third time, it’s possibly enemy action.
Probably some jr high kid that’s bored
Sadly Fox business News was joking about laser strikes on airplanes a few weeks back like it wasn’t a big deal when the story came up. Like it was ridiculous that someone was being charged. These people need to be educated on why this is a bad thing This was Jackie Deangelo’s and her two co hosts these people are usually VERY knowledgeable about things. Very concerning !
A "dashcam" looking out the front windscreen would be useful to investigate these types of events. Whether it be lasers, drones or a "jetpack man." I was able to afford one for my car, why can't the airlines put one on each plane?
Why do people do this? Is it just for shits and giggles? I find it really odd.
Once again. Fatherless behavior
No, they shouldn't be illegal.
Yes, using them improperly should be.
Unfortunately you just have to harden up and take the hit. Reporting it probably won’t make a difference.
You don't "harden up" to retina damage
@@Stettafire - have you ever “suffered” from a laser strike? It’s almost nothing. Lights up the flight deck for a moment. Clearly, if you’re stupid enough to look at it then you might get a bit of an afterimage effect. Certainly not retina damage, unless you purposely stare at the laser. During typical laser strikes you just look at your instruments, close your eyes for a few seconds, or low another way. Pretty easy solutions to this minor problem.
Wtf why is this being advertised to me through my notifications?
Who wants to guess this has something to do with recent well-organized protests in the US?
I know the date this happened. I bet no Do you?
Don't see why that's needed, morons will be morons and this started a LONG time ago (in general).
This event was Feb 27th, so definitely not! Just a dumbass with a laser.