🕘 Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:20 Introduction of the guests 2:10 The topic of debate ❗ 2:30 The affirmative's argument 4:20 The opposition's view 8:00 Defining the topic ($3X work, good) 9:20 Damage of a $3xual society and how to measure them 13:10 Conflict in romantic relationships 16:10 The myth of boundaries 21:10 Does this exist as an addiction? 29:00 Scrutiny of studies, crimes 36:10 Clash 🔥 38:50 Revolution + Abortion 42:10 Different uses for $3X?! 52:30 Psychology of healthcare professionals 58:30 Hedonism hypothetical 1:02:20 How does contraception play a role? 1:05:40 Problematic use 1:10:40 "Some activities can provide an array of services" 1:18:00 Popular categories 1:26:30 Her EXTREME take + Protecting children 🔥🤢 1:36:10 Escalation in consumers 1:41:00 Substitution method and scale effect 1:48:30 Trent tests their ethics with Peter Singer 1:51:50 Superchats! 2:02:20 Exploitation + Commodities 2:15:50 PTSD among industry workers, sports discussion 2:25:20 Reminding the hoelawyer of the topic + Consent 2:29:50 Comparison to other occupations 2:36:50 Unhinged conversation on animals 🔥 🤢 2:47:40 Lila on religion 2:49:50 Superchats 🔥 2:58:50 Closing statements ❗ 3:05:40 Outro 3:06:10 Common ground vs. Round Two 3:07:40 Outro Part II
I’ll post some time stamps as well 1:52:09 An interesting Topic 🧐 1:52:59 A really great point of view, would have never thought about it. 🥂 At 2:04:14, the message got read out loud. 2:29:55 Cuckity gets rekted 😂 and now we see what has happened from that 😂😂😂
Not a big fan of how the argument is that men are the ultimate abusers of children, when everything you hear in the news is women banging their students. Can we please start including everyone in this?
@@WizardofGargalondeseCircular? Not so. If sex has no intrinsic purpose or value (which religion says it does), then having intercourse with your dog is perfectly acceptable (atheist worldview)
@@SuperrBoyful “Its good to be religious because religious people think having sex with animals is wrong” “Having sex with animals is wrong because its what religion teaches” Is circular
"Porn addiction isn't a thing" Tell that to the millions of men who have tried to quit and really struggle. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.
tell me without porn what will men do because dating is not going to fix shit you want men to date and be with women they want want than you will cause war and even death. you people dont have nothing to replace porn with dating is not gong to fix shit porn keep men from being alone and some men have high sex drives that one woman can handle
The problem with a lot of the studies they're using to disprove the existence of porn addiction is that they rely on data from lots of men and women who use pornography habitually but have no interest or effort in trying to quit. So obviously, nothing on the surface seems addictive about the behavior. But what happens when any of those people genuinely try to quit using pornography for 1 - 2 months? They can't do it. Not simply because of their changing preferences or momentary wants, but they literally can not resist the temptation to go back to it. It becomes a need in their lives they cannot help themselves but give in to. I don't see how people could not look at that as addictive behavior.
Yeah i agree, but also ..it all depends in how the dopamine receptors and the axes of dopamine are configured in the brain and how the brain itself reacts to reward.... Thats why so many prople get alcohol adiction with just a couple of years drinking and why people get that dopamine high peak when gambling.... I dont think that blaming porn is the way to go to solve the promiscious problem and lack of emotional attachment that our society is going through... I think the lack of education of quality its the problem and part of that is the censure culture....that religious (catholics) people try to persecute blindfolded. Nothing is black or white...but the more expose we are to the colors we can discriminate gray areas and the way to reach that it is education, the first exposure to the Kids to sex should be before adolescense ( 10-11years) and that should be in a classroom...not behind a cellphone.
I know right?! I was absolutely mind blown that they talked themselves into that position. Although I think Destiny did it out of spite. He really sat and reflected for a solid while after that like “what the hell did I just say”. Those two are unhinged and I hope they reflect on how they came to the conclusion they did. Because they proved Trent and Layla’s position perfectly. If consent is your only moral framework then sex with dogs is ok. Dogs are pretty down with anything. They don’t care. If consent is your only frame of reference then as Destiny said “it’s better to hunt them with your dick than a spear”. Wild. Just wild that that’s where he came down on it.
The problem is that destiny was pointing out the absurdity that arises when you say that preforming medical experiments on animals, forcibly impregnating them, and then slaughtering them and eating them is okay but having sex with them is not. Destiny was saying it that from the perspective of the animal it doesn’t really make sense to say that all the horrible inhumane things we do to animals is okay but having sex with them is wrong. But the other side was not speaking from the perspective of the sex harming the animal they were taking the perspective of the sex harming the human because it is perverse to have sex with an animal because idk reasons?
It’s a societal pressure for girlfriends/ spouses to say “it’s no big deal”. But really it’s putting an emotional and physical wedge between them that manifests into other things. I literally just witnessed m this unfold with my neighbors. Recently married just moved in, the man watches porn and she is “ok” with it at first. Fast forward a year, they are divorced. One of the main reasons? He was more interested in getting off online than trying to be intimate with his wife. Anyone who doesn’t see the correlation is brain dead/denial. Edit: oh and neither are religious.
@@TyrellWellickEcorpWhile I would like for that to happen, I think it would just be a waste of time because destiny said in one of the podcast episodes on this channel that he would say anything if it would win the debate.
The more I watch and learn about Destiny the more I realize that his arguments are just a way for him to justify and defend his degenerate lifestyle. He's really intelligent and articulate, but seems to be utterly depraved in his relativism.
@@janicecrescencio3780 Whether they are or not, I agree with the commenter that I'd rather watch this debate then watch someone spend 3 hours trying to prove that.
I will say, as a huge destiny fan. Something I tried to see is when Trent asked him questions, did destiny answer him? there were some moments when Trent would draw a comparison and asked him about a hypothetical and instead of giving Trent a yes or no or if something was ethical or unethical, destiny would Instead say “How about, so and so”, just as when it’s the other way around destiny would say “you’re not really answering the questions but when your done I’ll ask it again”. This is not to say destiny never answered him, the back and forth was pretty good and destiny held his own. Again it’s just my perspective hopefully someone can tell me if I’m wrong or not but in the end it’s hard to tell who walked away with the win here, Lila and Trent seemed to give of religious vibe while others would say destiny and jazzmen are insane and hedonistic.
@@edwinbaca2744 What specific examples of this do you have? Pretty much the only time destiny doesnt answer a question is when he believes someone is trying to dodge a question of his own
legit 95% of his debates are against people who aren't but people who know him redpill don't know that i guess idk though the first 20 minutes of this were just people talking past each other not gonna lie so i don't blame him for checking out
Jazmen's own words were " i wish we could keep it away from the kids, but we can't", that alone means that pornography is terrible, and she pretty much submitted her stance.
@niftyp2320 it's not a fair comparison. Guns aren't inherently damaging, they are only damaging if misused or mishandled, with proper parental supervision, kids can handle firearms. You cannot parental supervise or aid a kid in determining a healthy way to use pornography without damaging the kid
@@roarkkaufman9339 You can 100% advise your kids on sexuality and pornography in the same way drugs or alcohol, which any good parent would also discuss. "Hey I don't suggest that you do this, but statistically it is nearly certain you will at some point. This is an activity 99% of men will do or be exposed to at some point, don't hate yourself for it and make sure you aren't engaging in unhealthy behaviors." Pornography, gambling, drugs, alcohol, fist fighting, guns, casual sex, etc. all fit this mold.
@@roarkkaufman9339 Also you're just wrong, a gun's only purpose is to kill (if you have a CCW you know this is the framework you must use when carrying). Pornography on the other hand, while it can be damaging depending on who created it or why, is not.
@@niftyp2320 Pornography is only ever damaging to a child, there is no healthy use of pornography for anyone, let alone kids. Also no, guns are a tool that can be used for target shooting, hunting or self defense. The instruction of use of a firearm is not by any means teaching someone to harm themselves. A guns only purpose is to send a projectile to a destination, that destination does not necessarily have to be a creature. As a CCW holder, you are incorrect CCW instruction is for the explicit carrying of a firearm for the purpose of defence, not for use cases of guns other than that
@@thebigbadrascal3398i can understand them for that as a pro life person myself we believe that over 60m children get killed every year in the US it's a very emotional topic especially for mothers who see there children and imagine them being one of the many deaths
The fact that Destiny agreed that it is worse to eat an animal than to have sex with an animal should tell you everything you need to know about that guy. Bruh
in terms of the animal, it absolutely is. In one the animal is dead and in the other, the animal may (likely?) be harmed emotionally. The argument is as follows: if animals are considered to be alive and have feelings, as well as they can't consent (which is why having sex with them is bad) then it is worse to kill an animal than have sex with one, as in one the animal is maybe(we don't know the science) hurt emotionally/physically, while in the other case, the animal is dead.
@@swordyshield The argument is sexual relations with animals is worse due to it being disordered on every possible level. We as humans are ordered to eat meat, and an argument can be made that we are primarily meat eaters (Not only but primarily). However we are not order to have sex with animals and the fact we cant procreate with them is testament to that. The fact people try to "See their side of the argument" on such a disgusting idea is beyond me. The simple suggestion should be laughable and outright ridiculed and not taken seriously.
@@CTdonnner1991 luckily nobody was trying to justify bestiality. They were just saying that it's less bad than eating an animal. Humans are ordered to eat meat sure, but does that mean that when scientists use animals for research (often involves killing them, seeing how long they take to die, intentionally poisoning them, and distressing them among other things) those aren't worse than having sex with the animal? Does it change the fact that the vast majority of meat is produced in incredibly unethical ways in which the animal is often suffering their entire life just to get slaughtered? Eating meat 99% of the time results in the torture of animals, yet somehow the torture of animals isn't worse than having sex with an animal? This doesn't even include the fact that animal farms are a lot less efficient in terms of space when it comes to feeding humanity, so it's not even like you can use that as a justification. The truth is just that people enjoy eating meat more than they care about the wellbeing and health of the animals who are being eaten. As such it's hypocritically to view beastiality as some crazy moral wrong without also applying that condemnation to those who eat meat.
Jazmen - "I don't think the way you live your lives is right" Lila and Trent - happily married parents who both run multiple successful businesses, are mostly well-liked and respected. Umm I think I like their way😅😂
@@WizardofGargalondeseby contrast lets look at Jazmyn, who is a drug addicted hooker with daddy issues and Destiny, who's polyamourous "marriage" recently fell apart because Melina went back to her abusive ex. See the issue that arises here?
Trent has an uncanny ability to pull the mask off Destiny. He's gotten him to admit that he has no inherent ethical objections to (1) creating brain dead children to be used for SA (2) animated CP (3) having sex with animals (4) Incest if your sister is hot enough Is this your Philosopher king? 😂
if you just view statements as one-offs then it seems bad. If you actually look into what argument was being presented and the result then these aren't bad at all. I'm not going to cover all since I really don't care but I'll just cover the biggest 2 since it won't take long to do so anyways. 2) If there was a way to morally and ethically create animated CP (as in we don't need to train AI off of actual CP which would harm children) and as a result real children would get harmed less that would absolutely 100% be a good thing how is that even deniable? 3) it's not that having sex with animals is good, it's that humans already do so many terrible things to animals (eating, borderline torture) etc that sex with animals is no worse than any of those things. Choosing to object to sex with animals but not object to animals being used in labs for research (in which most of the time the treatment of them is insanely terrible) is just hypocritical as it shows you don't actually care about the animal at all.
@@swordyshield No I got it, I know what he's saying, he's a secular Humanist utilitarian of the "harm reduction" variety so to be consistent with his ethics he will defend all manner of activities that trigger an inherent disgust in most people because he doesn't believe in ontological human value and purpose. He is a perfect illustration of how snappy and "cool" these ethics systems seem to people until they're put to the test and have no backstops to horrific evils Also, yes Trent is consistent as a Christian moralist because only humans can be moral so morality is going to be through our own view. The Bible advises ethical treatment of animals for OUR benefit, ie it makes you a worse human being to perpetrate unnecessary cruelty on animals, it offends God. Objective moral standards only apply to humans. Christian understandings of interacting with nature or objects/beings that may or may not be harmed in the same way as a human is that it is corrupting to the human being perpetrating the act and disrespects God. Under this framework you can consistently object to Animated CP, Bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and many sexual or other actions that do not have an obvious external victim
@@Hearth123 I just find it very interesting how people would rather care about the supposed "corruption" of a human than the actual people being harmed. If animated CP would undeniably reduce the number of actual children who get harmed and could be made ethically, yet you don't allow it because of the "corruption" done to the humans, then you are okay with harm being done to children. Seems weird how people would rather care about some "corruption" than the actual harm which is done.
@@swordyshield it's not the only basis for moral objection, it's one of them, but you're presenting a false dichotomy in your hypothetical. If there is another equally or more effective solution to bring down the rate of SA then your objection is irrelevant. You're presenting it as if it should be a necessary evil in your hypothetical, but necessary evils fall apart if there's another option making the evil unnecessary. Let's say that If someone said if we let people abuse dogs then they are less likely to abuse humans I would just say that we should criminalize both and police better to prevent both, because that's a hypothetical that I object to in concept because I don't believe that one decreases the other. My moral system is predicated on the idea that acting in evil ways does corrupt people to do MORE evil things across time so by nature I don't accept your hypothetical and even if I did, I would continue to object to Animated CP and find another way to decrease child SA. My moral system can confidently condemn things like necrophilia, incest, animated CP, etc. Destiny's ethics cannot. Destiny loves to say "intuition pumping" but what he constantly does is "intuition numbing." He knows that he has a moral intuition that certain things are bad and instead of trying to understand why that may be, he tries to rationalize himself out of that discomfort to avoid inhibiting his true god, pleasure. The secular Humanist view would have us all contemplating existence like rats finding pleasure and avoiding pain, I prefer to contemplate higher, deeper, and better things. There is often wisdom in revulsion even if there isn't a study for it.
@@chewie-v9546 Lol, to imply “any” argument is better than living Catholic is pretty ridiculous as well. So, what’s wrong with living Catholic that makes it worse than “any” argument? :)
@@FuddlyDud Maybe I didn't say it properly. I mean "any" as in this video is not a argument for it. To say this is an argument for a specific religion is also ridiculous as there are a lot more than just the big 4
@@chewie-v9546 To be fair to both sides in this video, the topic was s*x work/prostitution. Neither side have affirmative cases for their worldview and that’s good since that was not the topic. :) Now, I would say the Catholic position is much more coherent and consistent than Jazmen’s and Destiny’s which I think was especially well demonstrated during the beastiality portion. This is then 1 stronger argument, so one piece in favor of the Catholic worldview. For, you don’t need to prove an entire worldview within every subtopic of it. That would be silly! :P That said, have you watched Trent’s other debates? :)
@@FuddlyDud I don't really want to spend the time having a conversation about a debate I watched over a month ago, I don't even know what you're arguing about honestly. No where in this debate from, I can remember which is probably why I commented originally, was there an " argument to be made for converting to Catholicism". Anyone for any reason can tell you why it's probably not okay to have sex with animals, religious or not. And I'm sure there are religious and non religious reasons FOR having sex with an animal. And like everyone else who brought up that conversation, I don't think you were actually paying attention to what Destiny was saying about that conversation. Any response you make to this will not receive my rebuttal. Have a good day.
It’s interesting that Jazmin doesn’t think that viewing porn at such as young age probably informed her view on sex. She seemed to imply that she thinks it was the reverse. A lot of porn stars talk about viewing porn at very young ages and don’t seem to think that had any influence on them, which just doesn’t make any sense.
yeah and when you say this her argument is well the stats don't say this or indicate that this is a problem...... YOU DON'T NEED STATS TO POINT OUT A OBVIOUS FACT!!! sorry for caps just she really pisses me off cause she really throws out common sense and tries to pin it on because there is no statistical data on it there for it can't be true or is wrong.
@@PrObLeM-07well no she’s just saying her position is fluid and at the moment the stats she’s seen don’t show a lot of bad downstream affects from porn consumption. She goes on to name a few categories (divorce rate, abortion rate, SA etc.) that have remained unchanged since porn became more mainstream. So she’s backing her claim up with data. She then asks Lila and Trent to back up their position so we’re not just having a convo about their feelings, which they couldn’t produce because their entire ideology is based on feelings.
@@jshv73 the problem is, statistical analysis is far too complex to base every argument on "data". (Divorce rates have remained stable, but marriage rates have gone down. -> further analysis needed...) So when she denies even the most obvious presumptions, she's veering into bad faith. If everyone adopted her "style" of debating, the conversation wouldn't progress at all.
2:38:29 “it’s not because your not religious! It’s because you’re not sane! YOU’RE AN INSANE PERSON!!” Preach Trent! Preach it brother!! If you can’t understand how bestiality is a worse act than killing an animal for food then you’re just wrong! I do like how after this Destiny just sat for literally 15min after realizing what he said. Please God let him realize how messed up his world view is when bestiality is worse than eating meat. Most people would say raping a human being is worse than killing them. His logic doesn’t even apply to human beings.
“Most people would say raping a human being is worse than killing them” Would most people say that? That might be true. Regardless, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered,raped, and ate his victims. These actions are pretty bad, right? Well we are literally slaughtering animals on a mass scale and harming them on factory farms. It just seems weird to criticize sticking your penis in a cow but not chopping off a cow’s head and eating them. Or it’s like condemning a pedophile for having sex with children but not a cannibal who kills and eats children for breakfast.
@@DonkasaurusNZ Different types of homicides and rapes are treated differently by the criminal justice system. Also, there exists a fundamental difference between killing animals for food and causing unnecessary suffering. You are not arguing in good faith it appears.
Trent needs to be a regular guest in this show. He should be a way bigger name. Need to get him into the mainstream. The guy is a genius, but seems like a regular guy just trying to preserve the dignity of humanity and God’s creation.
He's got his own channel, is part of a radio show, regularly writes articles and travels around for debates. He's very mainstream in the apologetics sphere.
@@Србомбоница86Only the virgins who are saving themselves for a partner. I don't think virgins who have no ability to get a women have respect for themselves
no shit, do you think the animal is harmed more by being fucked or being killed? it's okay, I know this must be hard for you to wrap your head around :)
They also got to topics such a allowing certain adult acts,ie, letting another man have fun with your ex wife, as well. All those hosts had a great point of view. 🧐
Its amazing that whatever podcast actually started hosting these sorts of debates and not just bring in stupid chicks to get destroyed arguing with red pill dudes. Its a very important topic, keep it up 😊
I do want to mention I know a lot of women, that say they’re okay with their partner looking at porn, even tho they are not okay. They just don’t want to come off as jealous women, or looked at as weak around women that don’t look at it as a bad thing. So yes, society tells them that they are wrong for not being okay with it. Because it’s just a “screen” or it’s not that big of a deal.
Bro I know women who’s own boyfriends/husbands gaslight them into thinking it’s not a big deal. Women are more jealous creatures than men, so I highly doubt even the small minority of women who genuinely don’t care really DO deep down, but society gaslit them to
@@kottonmouf247Yeah no Trent can get mad when Destiny is deaf. Just because Destiny says something is a dodge doesn’t mean it is. At 2:40:00 for example, when Destiny asks his quippy question about hunting, Trent says very clearly that it is much MORE morally depraved to have sex with an animal and to kill an animal. And Destiny, again because he’s deaf, says that’s not an answer because Trent said more morally depraved instead of morally worse. Even tho what Trent said obviously was a straightforward answer that Destiny purported to be looking for. But Destiny gets hung up on a synonym and just isn’t listening, and it’s completely fair for Trent to get irritated by such manifestly stupid behavior.
Yeah porn has been proven to be harmful to people. While also more studies are released where it seem to be a link to porn and more sexual assaults that increases. This is also something I hope happens but here in Sweden and think Denmark too. There is talks about forcing all pornsites to have a thing where you have to show your ID that you are 18.
@@Mopark25 Every single time she tried to tie the conversation back to abortion and destiny basically just said shut the fuck up we’re talking about something else now
Destiny isn’t even good at debating the topic, he is just really good at using debating tactics like creating a counter hypothetical and questioning the question. He talks so ridiculously fast while doing this that you forget that he didn’t even answer certain questions. And to some pretty incredibly good arguments against his side, he says “Sure” REALLY fast and moves on to another point or another counter hypothetical. He agrees but jumps so quickly we don’t realize it
Exactly he knows the art of debating like Ben Shapiro (speaking fast and with such a confidence). But fails to prove his points. I am glad I am the only one that has caught him on that.
There’s no way you’re following the conversation… when he says sure, it’s because they are misrepresenting what he’s saying Maybe slow down the video ?
@@wulfheort8021 From what I've heard so far of the debate, he's not talking down on them for their religiosity. He's pointing out the basis of their arguments which are religion. All their points are distractions. The fundamental reason they believe what they do is because their religion tells them to. That's not talking down, it's just true
@@keifer7813 I don't think so. Destiny is an extremely condescending and arrogant person. It's most likely he just could not let it but to insult people who are religious. And there is nothing wrong with basing arguments on religion.
@@wulfheort8021 Didn't say there is anything wrong with it. But when they try and cover it and say they aren't basing their arguments on religion, it comes off as cowardly and disingenuous. They should say it openly, "yes my religion says porn is bad, hookups are bad, etc"
@@keifer7813 Still, most likely not why Destiny said what he said. And if I recall correctly Trent never goes by the argument of "This is bad because my religion says so". He always makes an argument out of logic. Or he would give a follow up reasoning/argument as to why Christianity says something is wrong and why Christianity is correct in that sense.
@@DGGVerse25 i believe any "up" thats disconnected from labor or investment eventually becomes harmful to a persons psychology. this includes porn, drugs, video games, etc. and i believe it is these exact things that are hijacking a lot of the youth (especially men) these days and distracting them from better pursuits. normally these elevated emotions would only be experienced if one achieved something, built something, attracted a mate, do righteous things but now they can be cheaply experienced by leveling up in a video game or watching porn. im not religious either, and my lifestyle is probably more aligned with destiny's than trent's, but i truly believe most men who watch porn are ashamed while doing it and are not proud of it. and i think we all secretly know its a problem and a microcosm of whats wrong with western society today.
@@firefly9838 "I discovered it at 12 and it severely boosted my confidence and knowledge. I'm grateful its in society:)" Confidence to what end though? :/
i think its really important for people watching this to keep in mind that destiny's wife just left him for a suicidal swedish guy after they were in an open marriage
@@vg4171it matters because any time someone tries to present data that shows that open marriages are worse and more unstable than normal marriage, destiny would bring up the fact that is open marriage was perfect
@@vg4171because Destiny's worldview leads to absurdities. The man is okay with incest, beastiality and A.I. child p*rn if all it makes the pdf file less likely to hurt people. Listen you guys really don't see it but your morals are shot to hell and this country is about to implode for that reason, one of many, but that reason
And he seems really angry and bitter. He gets so upset about this he can't keep his head level. It definitely seems like he is not content in his life.
@@tomv4 Sadly, his reasoning is incorrect and having sexual relations is not better than killing the animal. His progressive mindset that is supposed to move society forward also says that having sex with a hot sibling is okay.
Lila and Trent need to be better coordinated. There were several points in the debate where Trent had Destiny on the ropes, and Lila talking allowed Destiny to maneuver the conversation to a completely different subject.
The fact that this has to be debated means this society has fallen. The fake lawyer and destiny are already realizing the real life consequences of their views or lack of morals.
@@Damslackerthat they’re declaring incest, bestiality, and sex with unconscious children (entailed by their beliefs but not explicitly stated in THIS podcast, but for Destiny stated in another with Trent) is not inherently immoral (nothing is according to destiny , not sure about jasmine. She doesn’t seem to have any coherent moral framework.). That’s some of the real life consequences they’re realizing.
@@Raiddd__that's because its literally impossible to measure or prove anything about morality in a lab. The only thing that defines truth value in a moral statement is societal consensus. Morality is a human idea, its impossible to objectively settle a moral disagreement between irreconcilable parties. This is just a fact lmao. As badly as you might want objective morality it doesn't exist. Much like free will
Can’t really have these conversations without women involved but yeah really just not having Lila in there would’ve been better she was far more emotional than the other girl and couldn’t stop interrupting everyone.
@@CrystalMannequins has nothing to do with them being women; Lila made multiple fallacies, talked over everyone, and was emotional. The other girl is just not a great speaker. You would think a lawyer would be better at delivering information.
@@ethan4048 I meant specifically Lila was far too emotional. Not that it’s because they’re women. Also it’s a casual debate I’m sure she’s not in full lawyer mode for a debate on a channel that is known for shitting on women constantly lol it’s not a courtroom. Either way the dude who moderates these has no idea how to moderate a debate he’s just a dude doing this for money lol
Man Im so glad I cut out porn 100% rewired my brain back to natural form, at a place of peace/far less sexual insecurity. Porn is obviously a net negative on society and individuals.
Well done! One of the great myths that pro-porn people think is that people who watch porn and go on to more and more extreme forms of it are really just discovering what their sexual interests really are. But, this is actually false. If someone stops watching porn, their sexual interests will often return back to something more normal. Porn actually changes your sexual interests. Another thing people, especially guys, need to do is stop masturbating. Another lie that many men believe is that you will be miserable if you don't stop getting your "sexual release". It's also untrue. What tends to cause the misery is trying to stop while continuing to look at women and fantasize and fill your head with sexual images. But, if you simply control your eyes and control your thoughts, this can be stopped rather easily as well. You might have built up a habit, but if you learn to redirect your mind whenever the thought arises, eventually that habit that compels you to think you need it will die down too.
This is really the clash of two cultures. You may look at all the arguments and the data, but the fruits of these cultures will show the way of life you want to live. Just look at the lives of these people, because that's the product of their ideologies.
No. Promiscuity has never in history or culturally been acceptable to a properly functioning society. It undermines the fundamental basis of society, which is the family. S$x work has always existed in the underbelly of society for this very reason.
@@TayTay-od7kswhy is it ok to kill and eat animals for pleasure, animals are also raped when inseminated for more food production, but not ok to have sex with them. I am a vegan btw, I believe beastiality is immoral. Factory farms and slaughter houses are also some of the most vile evil places ever invented.
@@DGGVerse25 *I think you could make a reasonable argument that the NFL should be banned really* What it comes down to, is the consumer is getting entertainment, and the employee is receiving a lot of money, but also receiving serious injuries to the brain. If you took away all the aspects of the game of NFL and just had a company, simply paying people to receive blows to the head, for the entertainment of others, that are equivalent, to the damage an NFL player receives, would we think that should be legal, probably not, I wouldn't. *So I think you could reasonably argue that the NFL should not be legal either really, we just accept it in society, because the game surrounding the blows to the head, creates enough of a smoke and mirrors effect* As for alcohol, you can drink it without it being harmful. So I think you can reasonably argue, that alcohol itself shouldn't be illegal, but being drunk should be. We already criminalize people for driving over a certain limit, you can just apply the same thing to drinking in general rather than to just people behind a wheel of a vehicle.
@@Light-lp8rnyou cna also watch porn without becoming a porn addict..I think the NFL is fine is long as everyone consents and knows the risks but that's just me
Has anyone noticed Destiny will only shut up when Trent starts talking/rebuts his claims but gets super defensive and argumentative when Lila does it? 😂
tbf thats because her ideologies and reasons were wayyy less structured than Trent's. Like not being able to check for erectile disfunction is an insane statement. She also acted like a politician the entire episode and avoided questions like crazy.
No? You are trying to paint a false narrative here. Trent actually knows how to lay an argument better than her, so ofc Destiny is gonna respond more to the dumb shit Lila is spewing, because sometimes she doesn't even know the other side's position that well so she goes on tangents, shifts the goal post or just strawman the arguments. She did seem better in comparison to when her friend was on her side on the abortion debate with Destiny, but because her friend was awful. This one on the other hand, so smug and bad faith. It's not like he didn't talk with Trent at all. He did talk less in this debate but that's no indication of whatever scenario you have in your head.
Actually you are wrong. He was mostly debating with Trent and did respond to him. Lila’s arguments were not as effective and she addressed things that weren’t even being discussed.
Lila speaking over Trent was very tiresome. Her podcast interviews are excellent, but she's too impassioned during this format. I wish she would have let Trent talk more. He's a stronger debater and was able to deliver cogent arguments.
Well she is a conservative woman so there is no helping her when it comes to not being able to talk over someone. She is the definition of I am right and you are wrong.
It’s hard for 2 people who aren’t really a “team” to manage their positions. Even between the “teams” there were differences in some positions. 2v2 like this is very messy.
@@yanowic9107 he isn’t a moderator. He’s a ring leader. Literally. He isn’t there to ensure there is a good discussion or debate. He’s there to facilitate chaos for views.
how is it worse? We literally torture and slaughter billions of animals for meat and dairy on factory farms. And some of it involves sexual interaction with animals’ genitals in order to breed them. For example, for dairy and beef, bulls are sexually stimulated by farmers to collect their semen. Then that semen is used in artificial insemination to impregnate the cows. Which involves sticking their arm up their butt to position the cervix and get the semen in there. Then after the calf is born, she is separated from her mother and milked. Eventually, all cows are slaughtered for meat. “But we need to eat meat!!!” Oh really? You need to stuff your face with a bacon cheeseburger? What’s the difference between doing these things to animals for taste pleasure vs sexual pleasure? Or is it because you pay someone else to do it? The truth is most people don’t give a shit about animals. So it’s weird to morally grandstand. Just because it’s “out of sight, out of mind” The things we do to animals are pretty disgusting tbh
@@francisaltitude9763idk, if we look at this from the human pov, murder is way worse than sa. Which is the point Destiny was making. He was arguing from the animals pov. So killing them is worse than sa’ing them.
@@BurntMuenster I get what he is trying to say but there is a fundamental error. Animals are not rational like humans and don’t have the same moral rules. If you really wanted to look from an animale point of vieuw and view them as equal to us why don’t you ask for consent before have intercouse? This goes on to show that we are different and don’t have the exact same (moral) rules.
@@francisaltitude9763 Not all humans are rational though. You can swap out a rational adult human for a young child or severely disabled human. The analogy still works. And humans are animals too.
Most marriages end in divorce, this is a meaningless statement. Everyone commenting this like it's a "Gotcha" is hilarious "Reading books on world history makes you more likely to pass history class" bUt yOu fAilEd hiSTOry sO hur durrr
This woman really sat there and said that it is okay for a 16 year old boy to show a 13 year old girl abusive porn. I don’t even know what to say to that.
i didnt know he was getting a divorce as someone jsut mentioned but wouldnt be surprised, destines wife is literally the town bicycle, hes always bragging about how their open relationship "just works" and "makes them happy" she literally gets dressed up and kisses him goodbye while hes sititng at his computer streaming arguing with incels on the internet while she is literally going out almost every night to get piped by a random guy she met on tinder. destiny is cool with this because she is also cool with him sleeping with other women AND men....they live a degen life style and i wouldnt be surprised if they are getting divorced, would love to see him back that up since hes always saying they are so happy with how their relationship works@@mildtotemperate
Do you want your sons to be like Trent, or do you want them to be like Destiny? Do you want your daughters to be like Lila, or do you want them to be like Jazmen? These people all live their values, the standards they're advocating for have shaped who they are as people. Which value system has created people worth aspiring to at this table?
Trent: why is sex with your therapist bad? Destiny: It can impare your care of the person. Trent: Why is it wrong to have sex with a therapist if they both agree? Destiny: It impedes their abilities to properly diagnose them when choices become hard. Trent: But why is sleeping with a therapist bad? They literally keep asking the same questions over and over after being given the same answer. It would make anyone angry when you keep getting asked the same question you've already answered.
@@coffee5605 Also Destiny: Show me the data were 11 year olds are traumatized, scared, are having bad sexual interaction, even grape someone probably later in life because of pornography Trent: We don't have to do that Like how tf is that an argument
20:45 - Her talking about open relationships leading to long-term failure sitting across from Destiny after his recent divorce is irony at its finest! 😂
I don’t think it was irony, it was intentional. She knew what was happening and also knew he didn’t want to get into it so she was taking a shot at him, knowing he wouldn’t entertain it
@@ryandeffley7652yea they did. Destiny made a cheap shot here about how Lila doesn’t understand consent bc she religious and Trent fights back saying Destiny is in a poly but he clearly didn’t understand the consequences bc of what’s happening now (the divorce) 2:29:40 here the timestamp
@@MAGACOPPbecause it’s irrelevant to the conversation and he probably would prefer to engage in a debate that has actual, thought out points rather than cheap shots at his personal life
@cleonpeterson3056funny thing is him and his wife or just him debated i think lila or some other good debater and they brought up open marriages how they are bad, which they are and how the marriages dont last long, which they don't, and destiny was bragging about him and his wifes open marriage and how they've been together for a while and would be together a long time do to their "arrangement".... Spoiler though that didn't last long and they are supposedly divorced now, so yeah he literally proced their point from previous conversations.
DESTINY- “show me the DATA where teens are acting out pornography “. TRENT- “we really don’t have to show you that “. JAZMEN:”When I was 13 I saw choking porn and though it was hot so I asked my BF to choke me “. DESTINY: 🦗🦗🦗
yeah, they dont seem to get that. especially when trent and the other women are suggesting porn leads to more SA, child SA and incest. There are so many other factors, but people dont care enough to recognize that@@sjkdsfsdf52
@@sjkdsfsdf52Ah i see. Empirical evidence trumps all right? No. Logical/Deductive reasoning along with thousands of years of human nature being understood can lead us to a truth: if you give a mouse a cookie he wants a glass of milk. Without boundaries and objective moral values, anything is permissible. With this framework, it's the natural extension.
T*tty Lawyer lost me when she asserted there’s no such thing as porn addiction. Anything that lights your brain up like a freakin’ Christmas tree, negatively impacts your life - yet you struggle to quit - is an addiction. 🧠🎄🤷🏻♀️
yeah that was so fucking dumb. It’s obviously addictive. It’s probably as hard to quit as cigarettes, that’s why so many people are using it. They literally can’t quit.
Yup, 100%. She has to die on that hill because of her OF career, so she has to pretend that porn addictions aren't a thing so she can attempt to convince people that her "career" is a "dignified" one.
Literally no psychologist would agree with her. It’s important to remember none of these people are experts or even formally educated in what they debate about
Imagine being Jazmen and trying to debate, sound professional, and be taken seriously while having your obnoxiously gigantic boobs on display the whole time.
@@purestfury he’s much more fun to listen to in a debate than Lila. She’s made me sad every time I watch this now. Superrrrrr condescending and constantly responding to her projections than the point. TRENT is actually listening and it makes him a far more lethal competitor.
2:38:18 Dang, this is my first time seeing Trent lose his cool in a debate. And honestly, considering the subject matter, I don't blame him at all lol.
I've never seen him like this before. But in his defense, you're arguing against two people who think hunting for food is more depraved than having intercourse with animals. What makes this even more funny is they don't believe there is anything other than material in this world. So even the position, "they are equally bad (because there is no bad)", makes more sense than their view. At least that's logically consistent. But this is just off the rails lol.
@@grant2707no one said killing is "more depraved". You're just making stuff up, changing words to fit a narrative. Obviously fucking animals is more perverted than killing them, no one disagrees.
Well yeah look at who they are debating two of the most degenerate figures this era has seen to date, Destiny turns into a child when he starts losing and the lawyer 304 throws common sense out the window and starts going wheres the stats, data, stats, for things that are clearly common freaking sense! she is the type of person that the water could be blue but because there is no analazys or data to show how it's blue she will debate it on why it isnt blue. "I know there is scientifically data available that proves why water is blue, just and example."
Yeah, crazy moment. Destiny asked him to clarify what he meant and he completely flipped out at that, apparently he wasn't comfortable defending his views.
The fact that Destiny doesn't think guys are shamed for being virgins is wild. I work with guys, one is a virgin, and he gets dogpiled all the time. When I was, I got dogpiled. And this was years ago now.
Destiny is so hopelessly out of touch and disconnected with normal everyday human beings its just absolutely wild af to me that he thinks he's as "in tune" as he does.
@@tony2pumps1 agree. love how Destiny was so clear, that it was EXACTLY not what he meant. Which Lila and clearly @andrewrackliff8223 couldn't understand, is funny.
I can’t stand Destiny how Destiny shuts down Lila and Trent just because he doesn’t like their answer. He’s so rude and honestly comes off as ignorant and scared that his viewpoint is going to get dismantled if he lets them speak.
actually quite the opposite when destiny gives a hypothetical trent and lila change the goal post and talk about what they feel and not facts which is bad for debating. whether you like it or not destiny and jazmen owned them in this debate
My stepson was in the hospital with blood cancer several years ago with a 15% chance of survival. I'm glad the nurse wasn't afraid to get close. She visited his when he transferred to Mayo and when he fully recovered, he married her. They have 2 wonderful kids.
@@redvelvet9215you literally don’t know what grooming is. Grooming is putting someone into a position to make them consent to sex. Grooming kids for sex is to make them feel like they like you and are comfortable with you and blur the lines between friendship and sexual acts. Marrying your patient is nowhere close to that.
@@roundtabledetails3307 his tactic to embrace morally repugnant conclusions for the sake of maintaining logical consistency. It is a reprehensible use of logic and he only does it to create the facade of being “reasonable.” When one embraces bestiality and incest just to preserve their logical consistency, they’re not seeking virtue or ethical merit, they’re just seeking to be “right.”
@@Multi407DHe should just develop a brain and actually arrive to logical conclusions instead of throwing around big words trying to sound smart, if he wants to win
The fact that Destinys realtionship is falling apart, even that it is open on both ends and was communicated between them before going into the relationship, shows that there is more to sex than just the activity in itself.
Lilas coughs made more sense than these 2. They’re literally the type to look up a counter argument mid debate and start reading the first highlighted sentence on google that pops up out loud, rather than looking for actual credible sources.
Destiny is not stupid, but he pigeon holes himself in horrible stances and he knows it. His pride is his vice and i pray he can just find humility some day and argue honorable side. He would be far happier if he just accepts the logical point and stop defending his lifestyle.
That's wild considering the other side has religious commitments that don't allow them to even entertain dissenting opinions. Trent would literally lose his job if he changed his mind and became pro pornography.
When Destiny and Lila get together it’s definitely not as civil 😂. I’ve seen Jazmen put in work on these but I feel like Destiny would have ran this better alone. I feel there were moments he wanted to argue against her lol.
My views as a woman align entirely with Lila. I really loved hearing Trent’s points as well. As always, the conservatives are logical and the left is upset about it. Although this was a pretty good debate compared to what we usually see from the left
How are you logical? The logical thing is if you don't like porn you don't watch it period you want to force everyone to follow your bullshit rules even if we disagree
This Jazmin women making the arguments that basically "Because kids and people will do it anyway, there's no practical point in restricting porn or putting laws in place for minors around pornography" is such an absolutely absurd argument, especially since she's apparently a lawyer, because you could make that argument about quite literally any law. People will do it anyway, so why put laws in place? Her argument is essentially unless we can 100% guarantee no access to minors for pornography, there's no point in trying to restrict access. That's insane? There's no way we can stop minors from consuming alcohol but that doesn't mean we just abandon any attempts to reduce alcohol consumption in children? We can't stop the committing of ANY offense or crime doesn't mean we don't try and find ways to reduce them!?
Jazmen was being overwhelmingly outmaneuvered in the debate concerning bestiality. Destiny knew the importance of conceding certain points. If moral principles are indeed relative, deriving their essence from our subjective emotional responses, then how do they provide a justifiable defense for practices like incest and bestiality, which uniformly provoke intense and widespread revulsion?
For the record historically incest was super okay and supported as it was believed “you should keep it in the family” your power, money, and genetics. Now this is no longer done because look at the Roman emperors inbreed to hell but even monarchs often inbreed to preserve power. Incest is something that we’ve moved away from for genetic issues and the fact it creates very unhealthy power dynamics between family members that can become coercive
@@adrian-ck7biI mean historically when an 11 would see her mother r*ped or beaten by their father as women didn’t have rights for most of history did it traumatize the young girl or the village tortured and murderer to the ground? Did they have discovery then about themselves? Human beings can handle a lot be completely in phases watching some rough internet pr0n isn’t gonna kill someone. Ofc they did. Now should a person going through puberty be allowed to engage with pr0n yea but they should moderated and be told before hand that it’s not real.
This is just false... She was arguing on the side of facts instead of feelings. You guys and Lila argued feeling. I don't like it so it's bad. That doesn't prove anything.
The jasmine/destiny side really tried to defend porn is ok by saying beastiality and kid AI is ok… I don’t wanna be on that side ever…. What an eye opener. Also destiny is proof open relationships never work long term
Funny how the data always agrees with jazmen until there’s a point where the statistics would obviously disagree with her. Then she says the data is “mixed”, what a weasel.
Facts. The best that jasmine can say about sex work and porn is that the data is 'mixed', and that's AT BEST. I say we air on the side of caution, and denounce porn and sex work like any normal society would do
as opposed to lila giving zero stats when destiny asked her about stats about what percentage of people who start watching porn end up watching extreme porn who is weasel now?
I commend Lila & Trent for maintaining such virtue in their speech throughout the heated debate. I’ve always admired their skills in debate but if I were in their position I would’ve started dropping F-bombs like their interlocutors. At many points of the debate, Destiny & Jazmen make such condescending claims about religion… but Trent & Lila always stayed above it. Thank you both!
Trent and Lila were not respectful at all. They may not have used swear words but they were condescending and dismissive. Trent in particular wasn’t even respectful to Lila! Neither side comes out of this well, don’t let your bias cloud your judgement.
"A therapist or doctor cannot have sex with someone because it harms their ability to do their job" This kind of shits all over the concept of meaningless, no strings attached sex and it comes from the pro meaningless no strings attached sex side of the argument. If people were able to seperate sex from bonding and attachment then it wouldn't be an issue, but by their own admission it is.
Every time open relationships came up, it looked like everyone was metaphorically holding their breath bc of destiny. Everyone looked uncomfortable during that time bc they were avoiding destiny's relationship topic.
He literally says several times relationships are brought up that open relationships aren't for 90% of people because there's always weird jealousy and feelings.
Regarding sexual assault the reason sexual assault in the UK jumped is because they finally started investigating it as opposed to pretending to take reports and then throwing them in the trash
Something that kills these debates is allowing non serious tts and the damn grape shit. Its hard to take a conversation serious when you are having to do all that.
Lila rose added nothing of value to this discussion. @1:56:00 is the most telling part of the debate. She spent the whole debate just trying to character assassinate the other side and then refuses to answer this question because she knows that her answer is horrific
@@Firstlastmwhat does the cleavage have to do with the conversation?? If she had it covered do you think the conversation would have gone down differently?
I'm a nurse in Canada and practice in the USA. One of the first things we learn in Nursing Fundamentals is that our relationship with our patients is based on empathy (not compassion) and this is documented in the Canadian College of nurses practice standard. Compassion is one sided as to where empathy is having the capacity to have a perspective from both the professional side and the subjective experience of the patient's side. Destiny is wrong
@@lrsb1678 sure its not chemically addicting but to say you cant grow a dependence on it is very untrue. cold sweats struggle to eat and sleep are just a number of side effects people who smoke daily feel when not getting their daily smoke. no you wont get physically ill from not having it like you would with some schedule one drugs but you can depend on it for sure
This debate was one of the final straws leading me to convert from agnostic to Christian. JJ and Stephen’s arguments have to be some of the most absurd degenerate talking points I’ve ever heard. Imagine being so far gone and desperate to be right that you’re defending ai cp and incest porn. That and tabling common sense and decency for studies..really insane takes. Let’s wake up folks, God save them.
@@user-pn8ke3kf5f Ah yes, we should totally not agree with Trent since he is a religious person. Instead we should listen to a man who literally allowed his wife to be used by other men for mere sexual pleasure until she eventually divorced him after which he admitted that he had been so weak and permissive for so long that it became impossible to set any boundaries. And we should listen to a literal prostitute because everyone knows that the highest caliber of moral behavior is selling your body as a commodity. Your attempt at character assignation fails pretty hard when the opponent's characters literally represent the lowest and most shamed moral weaknesses in men and in women respectively. Never minding for the moment that neither Destiny nor Jasmin neither would, nor could condemn cannibalism under their own stated moral worldview. Destiny doesn't think that anything done to a dead body is immoral, and Jasmin can only appeal to 'consent' as a moral basis which no longer applies to the dead.
@@shawn4110 It's not an attempt at assassinating their moral character. It's pointing out that Trent is completely intellectually compromised due to religious commitments and also due to his employment. It's like listening to a Muslim that is employed by an Islamic organization talk about how it's immoral for a woman to not cover her head. They're clearly intellectually compromised and nobody should be taking them seriously.
@@yanowic9107well you can infer that the same organization once said homosexuality was a mental disease and only changed it in DSM 4, so I don't think they are really credible as they have relativistic standard. GLAAD probably made them change it (joking obviously)
Lila is so bad at debating.... I'm on her side. But good God she needs to let people speak. And when she gets interrupted she doesn't appreciate it. At least Trent will let them talk
She was terrible. She didn’t get a lot of the arguments made and relied on her belief in her moral superiority more than reason and data. She was condescending to the other side, as she’s been in other debates-typical for those who are supremely confident in their own righteousness. She didn’t even understand her own arguments. I think it’s interesting that other commenters feel she was cut off, while she interrupted, talked over people, and refused to hear others make their argument. I don’t learn much whenever she talks except good examples of terrible logic.
Jazmen saying that watching simulated inc*st porn is alright to sexually respond to is WILD and unironically confirms SO much about how she ended up where she did 😂
Argue against it with your feet firmly planted to reality. Why is murder bad? Deeming human lives precious helps us live in an environment where we can expect a level of safety, that people are not going to be likely to stab us because they will suffer consequences. This environment has massive gains for wide majority emotionally, physically etc. Murder in itself means unjustified killing, therefore it could've been avoided, therefore it should've been avoided according to this rule to nurture safety. Now try and do that for Jazmen's claim and know that you basically need to argue for fiction being harmful.
A whole bunch of moral and emotional arguments, but none of them providing any rational argument against watching simulated incest porn and why you shouldn’t do it. So go ahead, come up with a rational argument instead of moral grandstanding.
@@sugartoothYT None of these people will ever try to argue a position. They can say anything and claim something is obvious, natural or anything of the sort. I get it, it's so nice when your positions get spoonfed to you and all you need to do to spread and defend them is "It's just obvious this is true".
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 and you justify having sex with fetus corpses because sex is for pleasure. I’d rather morally grandstand than believe in moral relativism.
I counted the number of stats and sources by each side in this entire discussion. Lila and trent sited 8, destiny and jaz only cited 5. So for every8ne saying that lila and trent didnt come with facts or data, they cited MORE sources. In addition, jasmine says data on porn is "mixed" at best. She will say that a negative side effect once pork was introduces doesnt mean that its a correlation, but fhen says that once porn was introduced, differemt crimes decreased, saying there was a direct correlation.
Not surprising that lawyer chicks fans are delusional about reality. But it is important to note that they had less data. Weird that people claimed the contrary.
@sillysyriac8925 its important to note that destiny and jasmine are probably two of yhe best that the "other side' has to offer. And yet trent and lila still made better arguments, looking at it unbiased as best I can. Jasmine needs to realiE also, that not everything is going to have stats to see if it's 'harmful or not" ...like sleeping with your own sister, something both she and destiny defended. You don't need raw data on every issue to know that something shouldn't be done.
Quality over quantity every single time. Lila cited a study that got immediately destroyed by jazmen. Also the source matters. If you cite a peer reviewed study it has way more weight than anything cited from a website or lower impact journal
@KoffyGG can you be specific? The best that jasmine could say is that data on porn is "mixed" amd "frustrating"..that's not language that the winner would use.
🕘 Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:20 Introduction of the guests
2:10 The topic of debate ❗
2:30 The affirmative's argument
4:20 The opposition's view
8:00 Defining the topic ($3X work, good)
9:20 Damage of a $3xual society and how to measure them
13:10 Conflict in romantic relationships
16:10 The myth of boundaries
21:10 Does this exist as an addiction?
29:00 Scrutiny of studies, crimes
36:10 Clash 🔥
38:50 Revolution + Abortion
42:10 Different uses for $3X?!
52:30 Psychology of healthcare professionals
58:30 Hedonism hypothetical
1:02:20 How does contraception play a role?
1:05:40 Problematic use
1:10:40 "Some activities can provide an array of services"
1:18:00 Popular categories
1:26:30 Her EXTREME take + Protecting children 🔥🤢
1:36:10 Escalation in consumers
1:41:00 Substitution method and scale effect
1:48:30 Trent tests their ethics with Peter Singer
1:51:50 Superchats!
2:02:20 Exploitation + Commodities
2:15:50 PTSD among industry workers, sports discussion
2:25:20 Reminding the hoelawyer of the topic + Consent
2:29:50 Comparison to other occupations
2:36:50 Unhinged conversation on animals 🔥 🤢
2:47:40 Lila on religion
2:49:50 Superchats 🔥
2:58:50 Closing statements ❗
3:05:40 Outro
3:06:10 Common ground vs. Round Two
3:07:40 Outro Part II
I’ll post some time stamps as well
1:52:09 An interesting Topic 🧐
1:52:59 A really great point of view, would have never thought about it. 🥂 At 2:04:14, the message got read out loud.
2:29:55 Cuckity gets rekted 😂 and now we see what has happened from that 😂😂😂
2:36:50 is going to be all over the internet tomorrow!!! Omg Brian your podcast is going to get so much press because of this.
@@deejayzag2537 great timestamps! You are clearly a discerning student of knowledge and a gentleman
@@lordsneed9418Don’t worry, I’ll post more time stamps on Sunday. We’ll see the mind of a….
Not a big fan of how the argument is that men are the ultimate abusers of children, when everything you hear in the news is women banging their students. Can we please start including everyone in this?
"We don't believe that having sex with animals is wrong because we're not religious" has got to be one of the best arguments for religion.
Thats a circular argument so thats really bad if its the best you got
@@WizardofGargalondeseCircular? Not so. If sex has no intrinsic purpose or value (which religion says it does), then having intercourse with your dog is perfectly acceptable (atheist worldview)
@WizardofGargalondese giving credence to moral intuition isn't circular bro.
@@SuperrBoyful
“Its good to be religious because religious people think having sex with animals is wrong”
“Having sex with animals is wrong because its what religion teaches”
Is circular
@@scsteeldrums
Intuition is not a valid form of moral judgement. And its not what trent is doing either since hes a deontologisy
"Porn addiction isn't a thing"
Tell that to the millions of men who have tried to quit and really struggle. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.
tell me without porn what will men do because dating is not going to fix shit you want men to date and be with women they want want than you will cause war and even death. you people dont have nothing to replace porn with dating is not gong to fix shit porn keep men from being alone and some men have high sex drives that one woman can handle
The problem with a lot of the studies they're using to disprove the existence of porn addiction is that they rely on data from lots of men and women who use pornography habitually but have no interest or effort in trying to quit. So obviously, nothing on the surface seems addictive about the behavior. But what happens when any of those people genuinely try to quit using pornography for 1 - 2 months? They can't do it. Not simply because of their changing preferences or momentary wants, but they literally can not resist the temptation to go back to it. It becomes a need in their lives they cannot help themselves but give in to. I don't see how people could not look at that as addictive behavior.
Yeah i agree, but also ..it all depends in how the dopamine receptors and the axes of dopamine are configured in the brain and how the brain itself reacts to reward....
Thats why so many prople get alcohol adiction with just a couple of years drinking and why people get that dopamine high peak when gambling....
I dont think that blaming porn is the way to go to solve the promiscious problem and lack of emotional attachment that our society is going through...
I think the lack of education of quality its the problem and part of that is the censure culture....that religious (catholics) people try to persecute blindfolded.
Nothing is black or white...but the more expose we are to the colors we can discriminate gray areas and the way to reach that it is education, the first exposure to the Kids to sex should be before adolescense ( 10-11years) and that should be in a classroom...not behind a cellphone.
Did anyone say that “porn addiction isn’t a thing”?
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Yes, Jazmen did near the beginning.
"Porn isnt bad for society guys" - The side that argued having sex with animals isnt that bad.
If you’d rather get killed than fucked, then you do you
Incoming nihilists and morally neutral people 👇 below
I know right?! I was absolutely mind blown that they talked themselves into that position. Although I think Destiny did it out of spite. He really sat and reflected for a solid while after that like “what the hell did I just say”. Those two are unhinged and I hope they reflect on how they came to the conclusion they did. Because they proved Trent and Layla’s position perfectly. If consent is your only moral framework then sex with dogs is ok. Dogs are pretty down with anything. They don’t care. If consent is your only frame of reference then as Destiny said “it’s better to hunt them with your dick than a spear”. Wild. Just wild that that’s where he came down on it.
Why is having sex with animals bad?
The problem is that destiny was pointing out the absurdity that arises when you say that preforming medical experiments on animals, forcibly impregnating them, and then slaughtering them and eating them is okay but having sex with them is not. Destiny was saying it that from the perspective of the animal it doesn’t really make sense to say that all the horrible inhumane things we do to animals is okay but having sex with them is wrong. But the other side was not speaking from the perspective of the sex harming the animal they were taking the perspective of the sex harming the human because it is perverse to have sex with an animal because idk reasons?
It’s a societal pressure for girlfriends/ spouses to say “it’s no big deal”. But really it’s putting an emotional and physical wedge between them that manifests into other things. I literally just witnessed m this unfold with my neighbors. Recently married just moved in, the man watches porn and she is “ok” with it at first. Fast forward a year, they are divorced. One of the main reasons? He was more interested in getting off online than trying to be intimate with his wife. Anyone who doesn’t see the correlation is brain dead/denial.
Edit: oh and neither are religious.
@@LifeisGoodtyGod did she ever try to do anything about it or did she just expect him to engage it everytime?
DON'T LET THIS DEBATE DISTRACT YOU FROM THE FACT THAT DESTINY IS A GIRL'S NAME
Or that Melina use to be in an open relationship with Destiny either 🧐🥂
@@deejayzag2537𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎????
Destiny is so overrated it’s not even funny. Hoping Ben Shapiro debates him and destroys him like he does everyone else
@@TyrellWellickEcorpWhile I would like for that to happen, I think it would just be a waste of time because destiny said in one of the podcast episodes on this channel that he would say anything if it would win the debate.
@@TyrellWellickEcorp Don’t worry, Melina would destroy him in the courts. She already got destroyed by a Swedish Tik Toker so what’s stopping her. 🧐
The more I watch and learn about Destiny the more I realize that his arguments are just a way for him to justify and defend his degenerate lifestyle. He's really intelligent and articulate, but seems to be utterly depraved in his relativism.
exactly.
True. Which is why he gets particularly frustrated arguing with religious people- those that call out hedonism and other core tenets of his lifestyle
Exactly this, guy has a brain that he uses to pull off the most insane mental gymnastics to justify his sexual behavior and believes
Sounds like you have severe listening issues
Disagree on the intelligent and articulate part, but yes.
This was sooooooooo much better than Brian being obsessed with proving to a girl that men are stronger than women for 3 hours straight.
😂
Because they are ! Are we talking about men are stronger physically than women!
@@janicecrescencio3780 Whether they are or not, I agree with the commenter that I'd rather watch this debate then watch someone spend 3 hours trying to prove that.
No one forced you to watch all 3 hours of it..
@@John_Fisher you didn’t have to spend 3 hours watching it though.
That’s was your choice.
Lila: President and founder of a national non-profit
Trent: 3 masters degrees, 9 books
Jazmen: Lawyer, OF girl
Destiny: ...streamer
Yet destiny made more sense than either of those two idiots.
@@MichaelYoungWestCoastNinja😂😂😂😂
Which ones have an imaginary friend that told them sex outside of marriage is bad and homosexuals are sinful?
@@user-pn8ke3kf5f lame ass argument
@@MichaelYoungWestCoastNinja You clearly have a very distorted mind.
Trent and Destiny debating hypotheticals is like two wizards that have only learned spells that counter the other.
Except Trent doesn't engage with them he just moves on
I will say, as a huge destiny fan. Something I tried to see is when Trent asked him questions, did destiny answer him? there were some moments when Trent would draw a comparison and asked him about a hypothetical and instead of giving Trent a yes or no or if something was ethical or unethical, destiny would Instead say “How about, so and so”, just as when it’s the other way around destiny would say “you’re not really answering the questions but when your done I’ll ask it again”. This is not to say destiny never answered him, the back and forth was pretty good and destiny held his own. Again it’s just my perspective hopefully someone can tell me if I’m wrong or not but in the end it’s hard to tell who walked away with the win here, Lila and Trent seemed to give of religious vibe while others would say destiny and jazzmen are insane and hedonistic.
@@edwinbaca2744
What specific examples of this do you have? Pretty much the only time destiny doesnt answer a question is when he believes someone is trying to dodge a question of his own
Trent doesn’t know the difference between piss and semen. What the fuck do you mean wizard?
This shit is weird this is why Black peoples lose with policies in government there just isn’t words to explain certain shit
It's funny how frustrated and distressed Destiny sounds when he debates people who aren't retarded.
Everyone sounds extremely stressed because they all sqwak over each other.
I thought u were gonna finish that comment with "are retarded" because that makes much more sense
Lila isn’t retarded?
Yeah that’s because Bryan isn’t a good moderator. He needs more training
legit 95% of his debates are against people who aren't but people who know him redpill don't know that i guess
idk though the first 20 minutes of this were just people talking past each other not gonna lie
so i don't blame him for checking out
Jazmen's own words were " i wish we could keep it away from the kids, but we can't", that alone means that pornography is terrible, and she pretty much submitted her stance.
No it's not lmfao. I like guns, but sometimes kids get hurt by guns, OH NO GUNS ARE TERRIBLE.
Such emotional thinking.
@niftyp2320 it's not a fair comparison. Guns aren't inherently damaging, they are only damaging if misused or mishandled, with proper parental supervision, kids can handle firearms.
You cannot parental supervise or aid a kid in determining a healthy way to use pornography without damaging the kid
@@roarkkaufman9339 You can 100% advise your kids on sexuality and pornography in the same way drugs or alcohol, which any good parent would also discuss.
"Hey I don't suggest that you do this, but statistically it is nearly certain you will at some point. This is an activity 99% of men will do or be exposed to at some point, don't hate yourself for it and make sure you aren't engaging in unhealthy behaviors."
Pornography, gambling, drugs, alcohol, fist fighting, guns, casual sex, etc. all fit this mold.
@@roarkkaufman9339 Also you're just wrong, a gun's only purpose is to kill (if you have a CCW you know this is the framework you must use when carrying). Pornography on the other hand, while it can be damaging depending on who created it or why, is not.
@@niftyp2320 Pornography is only ever damaging to a child, there is no healthy use of pornography for anyone, let alone kids.
Also no, guns are a tool that can be used for target shooting, hunting or self defense. The instruction of use of a firearm is not by any means teaching someone to harm themselves. A guns only purpose is to send a projectile to a destination, that destination does not necessarily have to be a creature. As a CCW holder, you are incorrect CCW instruction is for the explicit carrying of a firearm for the purpose of defence, not for use cases of guns other than that
I like how the pro life religious side was calmer and the other side was more erratic and loud and childish. Proves the whole point
Being loud doesn’t equal uneducated or ignorant or them being wrong also the pro life religious side kept interrupting.
They always are
Lila was being loud when she had Kristen on her side during that abortion debate
@@Obsessedwith.alenahwell it sure does in this one
@@thebigbadrascal3398i can understand them for that as a pro life person myself we believe that over 60m children get killed every year in the US it's a very emotional topic especially for mothers who see there children and imagine them being one of the many deaths
The fact that Destiny agreed that it is worse to eat an animal than to have sex with an animal should tell you everything you need to know about that guy. Bruh
in terms of the animal, it absolutely is. In one the animal is dead and in the other, the animal may (likely?) be harmed emotionally. The argument is as follows:
if animals are considered to be alive and have feelings, as well as they can't consent (which is why having sex with them is bad) then it is worse to kill an animal than have sex with one, as in one the animal is maybe(we don't know the science) hurt emotionally/physically, while in the other case, the animal is dead.
@@swordyshield bruh one is for eating and other for pleasuring 'yourself', there is no urgency for fucking an animal dawg
@@swordyshield The argument is sexual relations with animals is worse due to it being disordered on every possible level. We as humans are ordered to eat meat, and an argument can be made that we are primarily meat eaters (Not only but primarily). However we are not order to have sex with animals and the fact we cant procreate with them is testament to that.
The fact people try to "See their side of the argument" on such a disgusting idea is beyond me. The simple suggestion should be laughable and outright ridiculed and not taken seriously.
@@CTdonnner1991 luckily nobody was trying to justify bestiality. They were just saying that it's less bad than eating an animal. Humans are ordered to eat meat sure, but does that mean that when scientists use animals for research (often involves killing them, seeing how long they take to die, intentionally poisoning them, and distressing them among other things) those aren't worse than having sex with the animal? Does it change the fact that the vast majority of meat is produced in incredibly unethical ways in which the animal is often suffering their entire life just to get slaughtered? Eating meat 99% of the time results in the torture of animals, yet somehow the torture of animals isn't worse than having sex with an animal? This doesn't even include the fact that animal farms are a lot less efficient in terms of space when it comes to feeding humanity, so it's not even like you can use that as a justification. The truth is just that people enjoy eating meat more than they care about the wellbeing and health of the animals who are being eaten. As such it's hypocritically to view beastiality as some crazy moral wrong without also applying that condemnation to those who eat meat.
@@swordyshieldI imagine the animals would rather be eaten than be destiny's sex slave. Gross.
Jazmen - "I don't think the way you live your lives is right"
Lila and Trent - happily married parents who both run multiple successful businesses, are mostly well-liked and respected.
Umm I think I like their way😅😂
Well cool that works for you?
@@WizardofGargalondeseby contrast lets look at Jazmyn, who is a drug addicted hooker with daddy issues and Destiny, who's polyamourous "marriage" recently fell apart because Melina went back to her abusive ex. See the issue that arises here?
@@frankie3010
Not really, mind pointing it out?
@@WizardofGargalondeseand destinys wife just left em lmao clearly one of these lifestyles is better
@@The.JuanWhoKnocks
“And of course, no one who doesnt use porn could ever have a bad life”
Trent has an uncanny ability to pull the mask off Destiny. He's gotten him to admit that he has no inherent ethical objections to
(1) creating brain dead children to be used for SA
(2) animated CP
(3) having sex with animals
(4) Incest if your sister is hot enough
Is this your Philosopher king? 😂
if you just view statements as one-offs then it seems bad. If you actually look into what argument was being presented and the result then these aren't bad at all. I'm not going to cover all since I really don't care but I'll just cover the biggest 2 since it won't take long to do so anyways.
2) If there was a way to morally and ethically create animated CP (as in we don't need to train AI off of actual CP which would harm children) and as a result real children would get harmed less that would absolutely 100% be a good thing how is that even deniable?
3) it's not that having sex with animals is good, it's that humans already do so many terrible things to animals (eating, borderline torture) etc that sex with animals is no worse than any of those things. Choosing to object to sex with animals but not object to animals being used in labs for research (in which most of the time the treatment of them is insanely terrible) is just hypocritical as it shows you don't actually care about the animal at all.
@@swordyshield No I got it, I know what he's saying, he's a secular Humanist utilitarian of the "harm reduction" variety so to be consistent with his ethics he will defend all manner of activities that trigger an inherent disgust in most people because he doesn't believe in ontological human value and purpose. He is a perfect illustration of how snappy and "cool" these ethics systems seem to people until they're put to the test and have no backstops to horrific evils
Also, yes Trent is consistent as a Christian moralist because only humans can be moral so morality is going to be through our own view. The Bible advises ethical treatment of animals for OUR benefit, ie it makes you a worse human being to perpetrate unnecessary cruelty on animals, it offends God. Objective moral standards only apply to humans. Christian understandings of interacting with nature or objects/beings that may or may not be harmed in the same way as a human is that it is corrupting to the human being perpetrating the act and disrespects God. Under this framework you can consistently object to Animated CP, Bestiality, incest, necrophilia, and many sexual or other actions that do not have an obvious external victim
He's just following his opinions to their logical conclusions, unfortunately. You are spot on with your summary. Gross.
@@Hearth123 I just find it very interesting how people would rather care about the supposed "corruption" of a human than the actual people being harmed. If animated CP would undeniably reduce the number of actual children who get harmed and could be made ethically, yet you don't allow it because of the "corruption" done to the humans, then you are okay with harm being done to children. Seems weird how people would rather care about some "corruption" than the actual harm which is done.
@@swordyshield it's not the only basis for moral objection, it's one of them, but you're presenting a false dichotomy in your hypothetical. If there is another equally or more effective solution to bring down the rate of SA then your objection is irrelevant. You're presenting it as if it should be a necessary evil in your hypothetical, but necessary evils fall apart if there's another option making the evil unnecessary. Let's say that If someone said if we let people abuse dogs then they are less likely to abuse humans I would just say that we should criminalize both and police better to prevent both, because that's a hypothetical that I object to in concept because I don't believe that one decreases the other. My moral system is predicated on the idea that acting in evil ways does corrupt people to do MORE evil things across time so by nature I don't accept your hypothetical and even if I did, I would continue to object to Animated CP and find another way to decrease child SA.
My moral system can confidently condemn things like necrophilia, incest, animated CP, etc. Destiny's ethics cannot. Destiny loves to say "intuition pumping" but what he constantly does is "intuition numbing." He knows that he has a moral intuition that certain things are bad and instead of trying to understand why that may be, he tries to rationalize himself out of that discomfort to avoid inhibiting his true god, pleasure. The secular Humanist view would have us all contemplating existence like rats finding pleasure and avoiding pain, I prefer to contemplate higher, deeper, and better things. There is often wisdom in revulsion even if there isn't a study for it.
This debate is the strongest argument for living Catholic in todays society I’ve yet to see.
So you haven't seen any argument lol
@@chewie-v9546
Lol, to imply “any” argument is better than living Catholic is pretty ridiculous as well. So, what’s wrong with living Catholic that makes it worse than “any” argument? :)
@@FuddlyDud Maybe I didn't say it properly. I mean "any" as in this video is not a argument for it.
To say this is an argument for a specific religion is also ridiculous as there are a lot more than just the big 4
@@chewie-v9546
To be fair to both sides in this video, the topic was s*x work/prostitution. Neither side have affirmative cases for their worldview and that’s good since that was not the topic. :)
Now, I would say the Catholic position is much more coherent and consistent than Jazmen’s and Destiny’s which I think was especially well demonstrated during the beastiality portion. This is then 1 stronger argument, so one piece in favor of the Catholic worldview. For, you don’t need to prove an entire worldview within every subtopic of it. That would be silly! :P
That said, have you watched Trent’s other debates? :)
@@FuddlyDud I don't really want to spend the time having a conversation about a debate I watched over a month ago, I don't even know what you're arguing about honestly. No where in this debate from, I can remember which is probably why I commented originally, was there an " argument to be made for converting to Catholicism". Anyone for any reason can tell you why it's probably not okay to have sex with animals, religious or not. And I'm sure there are religious and non religious reasons FOR having sex with an animal.
And like everyone else who brought up that conversation, I don't think you were actually paying attention to what Destiny was saying about that conversation.
Any response you make to this will not receive my rebuttal. Have a good day.
It’s interesting that Jazmin doesn’t think that viewing porn at such as young age probably informed her view on sex. She seemed to imply that she thinks it was the reverse. A lot of porn stars talk about viewing porn at very young ages and don’t seem to think that had any influence on them, which just doesn’t make any sense.
yeah and when you say this her argument is well the stats don't say this or indicate that this is a problem...... YOU DON'T NEED STATS TO POINT OUT A OBVIOUS FACT!!! sorry for caps just she really pisses me off cause she really throws out common sense and tries to pin it on because there is no statistical data on it there for it can't be true or is wrong.
@@PrObLeM-07well no she’s just saying her position is fluid and at the moment the stats she’s seen don’t show a lot of bad downstream affects from porn consumption. She goes on to name a few categories (divorce rate, abortion rate, SA etc.) that have remained unchanged since porn became more mainstream. So she’s backing her claim up with data. She then asks Lila and Trent to back up their position so we’re not just having a convo about their feelings, which they couldn’t produce because their entire ideology is based on feelings.
@@jshv73Well said
Whether it did or not it is irrelevant. You think "influence of porn" is bad because you think porn is bad. We don't think porn is bad, so.
@@jshv73 the problem is, statistical analysis is far too complex to base every argument on "data". (Divorce rates have remained stable, but marriage rates have gone down. -> further analysis needed...) So when she denies even the most obvious presumptions, she's veering into bad faith. If everyone adopted her "style" of debating, the conversation wouldn't progress at all.
2:38:29 “it’s not because your not religious! It’s because you’re not sane! YOU’RE AN INSANE PERSON!!” Preach Trent! Preach it brother!! If you can’t understand how bestiality is a worse act than killing an animal for food then you’re just wrong! I do like how after this Destiny just sat for literally 15min after realizing what he said. Please God let him realize how messed up his world view is when bestiality is worse than eating meat. Most people would say raping a human being is worse than killing them. His logic doesn’t even apply to human beings.
“Most people would say raping a human being is worse than killing them”
Would most people say that? That might be true. Regardless, Jeffrey Dahmer murdered,raped, and ate his victims. These actions are pretty bad, right?
Well we are literally slaughtering animals on a mass scale and harming them on factory farms. It just seems weird to criticize sticking your penis in a cow but not chopping off a cow’s head and eating them.
Or it’s like condemning a pedophile for having sex with children but not a cannibal who kills and eats children for breakfast.
I do agree that beastiality is insane, but so is believing an imaginary man in the sky
So rapists should face tougher sentences than murderers?
@@DonkasaurusNZ Yes
@@DonkasaurusNZ Different types of homicides and rapes are treated differently by the criminal justice system.
Also, there exists a fundamental difference between killing animals for food and causing unnecessary suffering.
You are not arguing in good faith it appears.
Trent needs to be a regular guest in this show. He should be a way bigger name. Need to get him into the mainstream. The guy is a genius, but seems like a regular guy just trying to preserve the dignity of humanity and God’s creation.
I think he's pretty mainstream! He's one of the main Catholic Answers guys, just like Jimmy Akin.
He's got his own channel, is part of a radio show, regularly writes articles and travels around for debates. He's very mainstream in the apologetics sphere.
Trent is a Genius. His time is better spent elsewhere than being a regular on this show though.
He's big in the Christian world.
Instead of commenting here go leave engagement on his socials if you feel so strongly
1:59:00
Destiny getting so triggered at praising sexual self-control was truly revealing of his character
Nah it was just a shitty argument from Lila
@@theSupercasano it wasn't ,virgins have more self respect
@@Србомбоница86 cope, get a gf 💀
@@bartsimpson274 I am not a lesbian
@@Србомбоница86Only the virgins who are saving themselves for a partner.
I don't think virgins who have no ability to get a women have respect for themselves
Trent and Lila won because they got Destiny and Jazmen (both meat eaters) to say that sex with animals is preferable to killing animals.
Agreed, that’s what their worldview leads too
Are Trent and Lila vegan?
no shit, do you think the animal is harmed more by being fucked or being killed? it's okay, I know this must be hard for you to wrap your head around :)
Destiny screams " I only eat vegetables"
They also got to topics such a allowing certain adult acts,ie, letting another man have fun with your ex wife, as well. All those hosts had a great point of view. 🧐
Its amazing that whatever podcast actually started hosting these sorts of debates and not just bring in stupid chicks to get destroyed arguing with red pill dudes.
Its a very important topic, keep it up 😊
Brian did a terrible job moderating
I do want to mention I know a lot of women, that say they’re okay with their partner looking at porn, even tho they are not okay. They just don’t want to come off as jealous women, or looked at as weak around women that don’t look at it as a bad thing. So yes, society tells them that they are wrong for not being okay with it. Because it’s just a “screen” or it’s not that big of a deal.
Most women aren’t. Or maybe they don’t care if it’s every few months but then find out it’s multiple times a week and loose their mind.
It’s cheating
@@queenofhearts7503it's not cheating, but it is damaging
Bro I know women who’s own boyfriends/husbands gaslight them into thinking it’s not a big deal. Women are more jealous creatures than men, so I highly doubt even the small minority of women who genuinely don’t care really DO deep down, but society gaslit them to
I happen know a lot of women that are okay with, because they really are. So yes it is okay.
See how stupid anecdotal arguments are.
Trent Horn is BRILLIANT, first time hearing him, love seeing true intellectuals on. Aswell as Lila Rose! 💪🔥
I def recommend his apologetics on the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
If you think he’s super intelligent you should look into Jimmy Atkin. He has a pod cast called mystery’s of the world I believe(might be wrong)
I have been a devout Christian for 6 years. He’s so good he’s made me want to join the Catholic Church lol I will be signing up this fall to convert.
@@faithbasedliving9391 Oh awesome! Praise be to God!
@@faithbasedliving9391 I became Catholic this easter from being Protestant my whole life, its so worth it!!
Trent Horn is so lo key badass. Unfazed by all of it.
Get your eyes checked trent was literally grinding his teeth while completely maddogging destiny lmaooo
@@kottonmouf247he cooked him both times
low iq...
@@kottonmouf247Yeah no Trent can get mad when Destiny is deaf. Just because Destiny says something is a dodge doesn’t mean it is. At 2:40:00 for example, when Destiny asks his quippy question about hunting, Trent says very clearly that it is much MORE morally depraved to have sex with an animal and to kill an animal. And Destiny, again because he’s deaf, says that’s not an answer because Trent said more morally depraved instead of morally worse. Even tho what Trent said obviously was a straightforward answer that Destiny purported to be looking for. But Destiny gets hung up on a synonym and just isn’t listening, and it’s completely fair for Trent to get irritated by such manifestly stupid behavior.
He really is intellectually.
Jazmen saying porn isn’t an addiction is insane!
she's saying it's more of compulsion disorder
I enjoy seeing Lila get owned in these debates
@@masonrogers6319where did she get owned?
Yeah porn has been proven to be harmful to people.
While also more studies are released where it seem to be a link to porn and more sexual assaults that increases.
This is also something I hope happens but here in Sweden and think Denmark too.
There is talks about forcing all pornsites to have a thing where you have to show your ID that you are 18.
@@Mopark25
Every single time she tried to tie the conversation back to abortion and destiny basically just said shut the fuck up we’re talking about something else now
The Asian girl staring into space and not blinking was creeping me out lol
She works for Whatever Podcast.
Nah, she cute.
Destiny isn’t even good at debating the topic, he is just really good at using debating tactics like creating a counter hypothetical and questioning the question. He talks so ridiculously fast while doing this that you forget that he didn’t even answer certain questions. And to some pretty incredibly good arguments against his side, he says “Sure” REALLY fast and moves on to another point or another counter hypothetical. He agrees but jumps so quickly we don’t realize it
Exactly he knows the art of debating like Ben Shapiro (speaking fast and with such a confidence). But fails to prove his points. I am glad I am the only one that has caught him on that.
@@Jimmycrdns This has to be sarcastic 🤣😂🤣
Destiny isn’t even good at debating he’s just good at debating ?
@@roundtabledetails3307 ?
There’s no way you’re following the conversation… when he says sure, it’s because they are misrepresenting what he’s saying
Maybe slow down the video ?
DAYUM was not expecting that divorce jab from Trent
he lil bro’d destiny so hard lmao
what's the timestamp? lol
@@Itachiflameamaterasu 2:30:00
Trent said he didn’t plan to bring it up until Destiny threw a jab at Trent for being religious and not understanding consent.
Based trent because destiny always mocks him for being religious
Trent Horn and Lila Rose!!! The rare moment when the whatever podcast becomes based!!🇻🇦
Fellow Catholic, I’m not really fond of Lila when it comes to debates. Trent on the other hand, is pretty incredible.
That jab Trent did @2:30:00 was hilarious. He had to because Destiny really wasn't listening...
No, Trent did it because Destiny talked down on Trent and Lila for their religiosity.
@@wulfheort8021 From what I've heard so far of the debate, he's not talking down on them for their religiosity. He's pointing out the basis of their arguments which are religion. All their points are distractions. The fundamental reason they believe what they do is because their religion tells them to. That's not talking down, it's just true
@@keifer7813 I don't think so. Destiny is an extremely condescending and arrogant person. It's most likely he just could not let it but to insult people who are religious. And there is nothing wrong with basing arguments on religion.
@@wulfheort8021 Didn't say there is anything wrong with it. But when they try and cover it and say they aren't basing their arguments on religion, it comes off as cowardly and disingenuous. They should say it openly, "yes my religion says porn is bad, hookups are bad, etc"
@@keifer7813 Still, most likely not why Destiny said what he said. And if I recall correctly Trent never goes by the argument of "This is bad because my religion says so". He always makes an argument out of logic. Or he would give a follow up reasoning/argument as to why Christianity says something is wrong and why Christianity is correct in that sense.
im not catholic at all but deny that porn is harmful to society is to be blind
You should check out Trent.
I’m not Catholic either, but he’s the best on these sorts of issues. :)
You need 2 actually make a coherent argument for that rather than just asserting it
I discovered it at 12 and it severely boosted my confidence and knowledge. I'm grateful its in society:)
@@DGGVerse25 i believe any "up" thats disconnected from labor or investment eventually becomes harmful to a persons psychology. this includes porn, drugs, video games, etc. and i believe it is these exact things that are hijacking a lot of the youth (especially men) these days and distracting them from better pursuits. normally these elevated emotions would only be experienced if one achieved something, built something, attracted a mate, do righteous things but now they can be cheaply experienced by leveling up in a video game or watching porn. im not religious either, and my lifestyle is probably more aligned with destiny's than trent's, but i truly believe most men who watch porn are ashamed while doing it and are not proud of it. and i think we all secretly know its a problem and a microcosm of whats wrong with western society today.
@@firefly9838
"I discovered it at 12 and it severely boosted my confidence and knowledge. I'm grateful its in society:)"
Confidence to what end though? :/
i think its really important for people watching this to keep in mind that destiny's wife just left him for a suicidal swedish guy after they were in an open marriage
Why does that matter?
@@vg4171cause destiny’s wife “loves destiny so much she left him”
@@vg4171it matters because any time someone tries to present data that shows that open marriages are worse and more unstable than normal marriage, destiny would bring up the fact that is open marriage was perfect
@@vg4171because Destiny's worldview leads to absurdities.
The man is okay with incest, beastiality and A.I. child p*rn if all it makes the pdf file less likely to hurt people.
Listen you guys really don't see it but your morals are shot to hell and this country is about to implode for that reason, one of many, but that reason
And he seems really angry and bitter. He gets so upset about this he can't keep his head level. It definitely seems like he is not content in his life.
Thank you Lila Rose & Trent for having a voice for those of us who don’t want to see our society go down the drain of degeneracy.
Why are you peeping in on bedrooms to see the degeneracy? That seems pretty degenerate to me.
Why is the direction you agree with as “forward”? Are you appealing to some metaphysical truth?
@@tomv4 being progressive has led to destiny arguing that having sex with animals isn't that bad.
@@Averyaveragedeskin he never said that tho? why lie? I'd like to meet you
@@tomv4 Sadly, his reasoning is incorrect and having sexual relations is not better than killing the animal. His progressive mindset that is supposed to move society forward also says that having sex with a hot sibling is okay.
Lila and Trent need to be better coordinated. There were several points in the debate where Trent had Destiny on the ropes, and Lila talking allowed Destiny to maneuver the conversation to a completely different subject.
So true, Trent was cooking
I love how Leftists are suddenly pro freedom when it comes to any vice.
Leftists dont claim to be anti freedom.
You cant call someone hypocritical for a claim they dont believe
Isn’t that what freedom is for?
@@Rmashups lol no.
@@candorsspot2775why would freedoms matter if it’s only to protect what you like?
@@Rmashups Freedom is the right to control yourself. Has nothing to do with what I like.
The fact that this has to be debated means this society has fallen. The fake lawyer and destiny are already realizing the real life consequences of their views or lack of morals.
Wait... so what are they realizing???? Im curious 🤔
@@Damslackerthat they’re declaring incest, bestiality, and sex with unconscious children (entailed by their beliefs but not explicitly stated in THIS podcast, but for Destiny stated in another with Trent) is not inherently immoral (nothing is according to destiny , not sure about jasmine. She doesn’t seem to have any coherent moral framework.). That’s some of the real life consequences they’re realizing.
Lmfao, atleast elaborate when trying to sound smart.
@@Raiddd__ ?????
@@Raiddd__that's because its literally impossible to measure or prove anything about morality in a lab. The only thing that defines truth value in a moral statement is societal consensus. Morality is a human idea, its impossible to objectively settle a moral disagreement between irreconcilable parties. This is just a fact lmao. As badly as you might want objective morality it doesn't exist. Much like free will
This would have been a much better debate if it was only destiny and Trent
Can’t really have these conversations without women involved but yeah really just not having Lila in there would’ve been better she was far more emotional than the other girl and couldn’t stop interrupting everyone.
@@CrystalMannequins has nothing to do with them being women; Lila made multiple fallacies, talked over everyone, and was emotional. The other girl is just not a great speaker. You would think a lawyer would be better at delivering information.
@@ethan4048 I meant specifically Lila was far too emotional. Not that it’s because they’re women. Also it’s a casual debate I’m sure she’s not in full lawyer mode for a debate on a channel that is known for shitting on women constantly lol it’s not a courtroom. Either way the dude who moderates these has no idea how to moderate a debate he’s just a dude doing this for money lol
@@ethan4048 So did “tits”
She consistently talked over Destiny.
I agree, women should NOT be part of these conversations
@@CrystalMannequinsthe girl is the fakest lawyer I’ve seen in my life . She definitely hasn’t passed any type of bar
Hearing “let me finish” when the two guys were talking about hand jobs made me chuckle.
Man Im so glad I cut out porn 100% rewired my brain back to natural form, at a place of peace/far less sexual insecurity. Porn is obviously a net negative on society and individuals.
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Well done! One of the great myths that pro-porn people think is that people who watch porn and go on to more and more extreme forms of it are really just discovering what their sexual interests really are. But, this is actually false. If someone stops watching porn, their sexual interests will often return back to something more normal. Porn actually changes your sexual interests.
Another thing people, especially guys, need to do is stop masturbating. Another lie that many men believe is that you will be miserable if you don't stop getting your "sexual release". It's also untrue. What tends to cause the misery is trying to stop while continuing to look at women and fantasize and fill your head with sexual images. But, if you simply control your eyes and control your thoughts, this can be stopped rather easily as well. You might have built up a habit, but if you learn to redirect your mind whenever the thought arises, eventually that habit that compels you to think you need it will die down too.
how long did it take to rewire it back to natural form?
sounds like you've taken permanent damage
@@roundtabledetails3307 we all have. But monk mode has healed a lot of it.
This is really the clash of two cultures.
You may look at all the arguments and the data, but the fruits of these cultures will show the way of life you want to live.
Just look at the lives of these people, because that's the product of their ideologies.
Plain and simple.
No. Promiscuity has never in history or culturally been acceptable to a properly functioning society. It undermines the fundamental basis of society, which is the family. S$x work has always existed in the underbelly of society for this very reason.
I still can't believe beastiality kept coming up in the debate. That's really hitting rock bottom smh.
@@TayTay-od7kswhy is it ok to kill and eat animals for pleasure, animals are also raped when inseminated for more food production, but not ok to have sex with them. I am a vegan btw, I believe beastiality is immoral. Factory farms and slaughter houses are also some of the most vile evil places ever invented.
@@Cake...bro never heard about Roman Empire 🤡
"Is being a lawyer bad?"
Speaking as a lawyer, yes, yes it is.
Speaking as a normie: Everyone hates lawyers... until they need a lawyer.
We need lawyers, we don’t need prostitutes.
@@heiress. we don't need alcohol either should we get rid of that..how about the NFL?
@@DGGVerse25 *I think you could make a reasonable argument that the NFL should be banned really* What it comes down to, is the consumer is getting entertainment, and the employee is receiving a lot of money, but also receiving serious injuries to the brain. If you took away all the aspects of the game of NFL and just had a company, simply paying people to receive blows to the head, for the entertainment of others, that are equivalent, to the damage an NFL player receives, would we think that should be legal, probably not, I wouldn't.
*So I think you could reasonably argue that the NFL should not be legal either really, we just accept it in society, because the game surrounding the blows to the head, creates enough of a smoke and mirrors effect*
As for alcohol, you can drink it without it being harmful. So I think you can reasonably argue, that alcohol itself shouldn't be illegal, but being drunk should be. We already criminalize people for driving over a certain limit, you can just apply the same thing to drinking in general rather than to just people behind a wheel of a vehicle.
@@Light-lp8rnyou cna also watch porn without becoming a porn addict..I think the NFL is fine is long as everyone consents and knows the risks but that's just me
Has anyone noticed Destiny will only shut up when Trent starts talking/rebuts his claims but gets super defensive and argumentative when Lila does it? 😂
Because his wife just destroyed him. He is sensitive to women, which is kind of fair. But he chose to be a cuck 🤷🏻♀️
tbf thats because her ideologies and reasons were wayyy less structured than Trent's. Like not being able to check for erectile disfunction is an insane statement. She also acted like a politician the entire episode and avoided questions like crazy.
No? You are trying to paint a false narrative here. Trent actually knows how to lay an argument better than her, so ofc Destiny is gonna respond more to the dumb shit Lila is spewing, because sometimes she doesn't even know the other side's position that well so she goes on tangents, shifts the goal post or just strawman the arguments. She did seem better in comparison to when her friend was on her side on the abortion debate with Destiny, but because her friend was awful. This one on the other hand, so smug and bad faith. It's not like he didn't talk with Trent at all. He did talk less in this debate but that's no indication of whatever scenario you have in your head.
This is how men generally interact with women, especially the ones that claim to be “allies”.
Actually you are wrong. He was mostly debating with Trent and did respond to him.
Lila’s arguments were not as effective and she addressed things that weren’t even being discussed.
Lila speaking over Trent was very tiresome. Her podcast interviews are excellent, but she's too impassioned during this format. I wish she would have let Trent talk more. He's a stronger debater and was able to deliver cogent arguments.
Agreed
I don’t think that she did poorly but I agree with you 💯
Well she is a conservative woman so there is no helping her when it comes to not being able to talk over someone. She is the definition of I am right and you are wrong.
47 minutes in I feel like it was the other way around with the interruptions
The women problem will always transcend political dialectics
I think having 2 vs 2 debates as opposed to 1 vs 1 is counterproductive unless there's formal debate setting and/or a really good moderator
I agree. It would have been better to just have Trent and Destiny or Lila and Jazmine go at it one on one.
It’s hard for 2 people who aren’t really a “team” to manage their positions. Even between the “teams” there were differences in some positions. 2v2 like this is very messy.
Seriously, the amount of times Lila was allowed to interject and cut off either Destiny or Jazman is insane. What the hell was the moderator doing?
@@yanowic9107 he isn’t a moderator. He’s a ring leader. Literally. He isn’t there to ensure there is a good discussion or debate. He’s there to facilitate chaos for views.
Look at it as more of a discussion
Destiny: Is having sex with an animal worse than killing him?
Trent: Yes! It is worse
how is it worse?
We literally torture and slaughter billions of animals for meat and dairy on factory farms. And some of it involves sexual interaction with animals’ genitals in order to breed them.
For example, for dairy and beef, bulls are sexually stimulated by farmers to collect their semen. Then that semen is used in artificial insemination to impregnate the cows. Which involves sticking their arm up their butt to position the cervix and get the semen in there. Then after the calf is born, she is separated from her mother and milked. Eventually, all cows are slaughtered for meat.
“But we need to eat meat!!!”
Oh really? You need to stuff your face with a bacon cheeseburger?
What’s the difference between doing these things to animals for taste pleasure vs sexual pleasure? Or is it because you pay someone else to do it?
The truth is most people don’t give a shit about animals. So it’s weird to morally grandstand. Just because it’s “out of sight, out of mind”
The things we do to animals are pretty disgusting tbh
It actually is worse
@@francisaltitude9763idk, if we look at this from the human pov, murder is way worse than sa. Which is the point Destiny was making. He was arguing from the animals pov. So killing them is worse than sa’ing them.
@@BurntMuenster I get what he is trying to say but there is a fundamental error. Animals are not rational like humans and don’t have the same moral rules. If you really wanted to look from an animale point of vieuw and view them as equal to us why don’t you ask for consent before have intercouse? This goes on to show that we are different and don’t have the exact same (moral) rules.
@@francisaltitude9763 Not all humans are rational though. You can swap out a rational adult human for a young child or severely disabled human. The analogy still works.
And humans are animals too.
Destiny: “Pornography strengthens relationships!”
Also Destiny: gets divorced.
When did he say that
@@salim5394he lives that
@@salim5394 🤡
@@toofrosty6344😂😂😂
Most marriages end in divorce, this is a meaningless statement. Everyone commenting this like it's a "Gotcha" is hilarious
"Reading books on world history makes you more likely to pass history class"
bUt yOu fAilEd hiSTOry sO hur durrr
This woman really sat there and said that it is okay for a 16 year old boy to show a 13 year old girl abusive porn. I don’t even know what to say to that.
she didn’t say that at all lol
She didn’t say that bro please if you’re gonna criticize the other side keep it honest instead of making things up
She literally negated that 10 seconds after the implication (strawman from Trent rather)
1:26:39, yes she did, here's the time stamp for the people reading
Conservatives lying again. Nice
"Destiny isn't going to discuss any personal relationship matters."
He doesn't need to, we all already know lol.
@@mildtotemperatehim and Melina are getting a divorce
@@mildtotemperate check 2 hours 4 minutes and 15 seconds lol
i didnt know he was getting a divorce as someone jsut mentioned but wouldnt be surprised, destines wife is literally the town bicycle, hes always bragging about how their open relationship "just works" and "makes them happy" she literally gets dressed up and kisses him goodbye while hes sititng at his computer streaming arguing with incels on the internet while she is literally going out almost every night to get piped by a random guy she met on tinder. destiny is cool with this because she is also cool with him sleeping with other women AND men....they live a degen life style and i wouldnt be surprised if they are getting divorced, would love to see him back that up since hes always saying they are so happy with how their relationship works@@mildtotemperate
@@muzien87I know, we were all shocked to have learned that Melina left Destiny for an abusive Swedish Tik Toker. Look what an open marriage gets ya 😂
@@pleasedont7787 From Destiny. Check his subreddit.
Do you want your sons to be like Trent, or do you want them to be like Destiny? Do you want your daughters to be like Lila, or do you want them to be like Jazmen? These people all live their values, the standards they're advocating for have shaped who they are as people. Which value system has created people worth aspiring to at this table?
I would rather be destiny than trent. Can't speak for lila and jazmen because I'm a male.
You would prefer to be an absent father fresh out of your second failed marriage at age 35? @@lucasforpresident
Son to be like Destiny but for daughter neither!
@@lucasforpresidentI would rather be myself. Lol I respect Trent. Destiny is evil
@@lucasforpresident So you would rather be divorced and not living with your kids?
2.5 hours in and destiny starts getting angry and gives up😂
Trent: why is sex with your therapist bad?
Destiny: It can impare your care of the person.
Trent: Why is it wrong to have sex with a therapist if they both agree?
Destiny: It impedes their abilities to properly diagnose them when choices become hard.
Trent: But why is sleeping with a therapist bad?
They literally keep asking the same questions over and over after being given the same answer. It would make anyone angry when you keep getting asked the same question you've already answered.
@@coffee5605 Also
Destiny: Show me the data were 11 year olds are traumatized, scared, are having bad sexual interaction, even grape someone probably later in life because of pornography
Trent: We don't have to do that
Like how tf is that an argument
@@andy2012izationbc Trent thinks porn negatively affects 11 yr olds for life but can’t even prove it
@@coffee5605- Because Destiny didn't realize he contradicted his own earlier point, that's why Trent kept asking him the same question
@@jackierodriguez2548- You can actually with all the studies on the subject ever done. To defend it is both incorrect and pedophillic
Trent bringing up the incest angle gave destiny that tingly nostalgia feeling.
Why
@@MrISkater look up incest debate destiny 🤣
Tbh there's no logical argument against it. Assuming no offspring are produced.
20:45 - Her talking about open relationships leading to long-term failure sitting across from Destiny after his recent divorce is irony at its finest! 😂
I don't think that's irony..because she knows he is getting divorced
@@purplepineapple7893 - I think this was filmed prior to the announcement. So at the time, no one knew yet.
I don’t think it was irony, it was intentional. She knew what was happening and also knew he didn’t want to get into it so she was taking a shot at him, knowing he wouldn’t entertain it
@@ntmb324 - Once again, the announcement from Destiny came out after this was filmed. So she wouldn't have known yet.
@@ryandeffley7652yea they did. Destiny made a cheap shot here about how Lila doesn’t understand consent bc she religious and Trent fights back saying Destiny is in a poly but he clearly didn’t understand the consequences bc of what’s happening now (the divorce) 2:29:40 here the timestamp
"I don't think we should do bestiality right now" Is an ABSOLUTELY WILD worldview to have.
Depravity at its finest in that corner.
She only says things like that to be consistent with his logic but deep down. Well, Not too deep down, he doesn't believe it.
Why is it ok to eat animals but not have sex with them? Actually think about it and come up with a logical explanation
@@keifer7813
Because one gives you a disease, that not only hurts you but potentially others.
I really enjoyed this debate. You should have them more often. I think Lila and Trent did a good job at debating. Would love to see more!
They all did a good job at debating
No not too often. I like them but to keep them fresh they need to come every so often
Destiny talking about whether sex can be confined to a single marriage is... palpably ironic
Why are they avoiding his divorce rumor?
@@MAGACOPPbecause it’s irrelevant to the conversation and he probably would prefer to engage in a debate that has actual, thought out points rather than cheap shots at his personal life
@@ntmb324yeah... Totally not relevant
@cleonpeterson3056funny thing is him and his wife or just him debated i think lila or some other good debater and they brought up open marriages how they are bad, which they are and how the marriages dont last long, which they don't, and destiny was bragging about him and his wifes open marriage and how they've been together for a while and would be together a long time do to their "arrangement".... Spoiler though that didn't last long and they are supposedly divorced now, so yeah he literally proced their point from previous conversations.
@@ntmb324- his life is a case study in how perversion leads to disaster. Trent's life shows the opposite.
DESTINY- “show me the DATA where teens are acting out pornography “.
TRENT- “we really don’t have to show you that “.
JAZMEN:”When I was 13 I saw choking porn and though it was hot so I asked my BF to choke me “.
DESTINY: 🦗🦗🦗
jazmen's personall experiance is not data lol
Jazmen being retarded is not data
yeah, they dont seem to get that. especially when trent and the other women are suggesting porn leads to more SA, child SA and incest. There are so many other factors, but people dont care enough to recognize that@@sjkdsfsdf52
@@sjkdsfsdf52Ah i see. Empirical evidence trumps all right? No. Logical/Deductive reasoning along with thousands of years of human nature being understood can lead us to a truth: if you give a mouse a cookie he wants a glass of milk. Without boundaries and objective moral values, anything is permissible. With this framework, it's the natural extension.
@@grant2707 pornhub in the stone age?
T*tty Lawyer lost me when she asserted there’s no such thing as porn addiction. Anything that lights your brain up like a freakin’ Christmas tree, negatively impacts your life - yet you struggle to quit - is an addiction. 🧠🎄🤷🏻♀️
Interesting from someone who has her t*tties up on her DP
yeah that was so fucking dumb. It’s obviously addictive. It’s probably as hard to quit as cigarettes, that’s why so many people are using it. They literally can’t quit.
Yup, 100%. She has to die on that hill because of her OF career, so she has to pretend that porn addictions aren't a thing so she can attempt to convince people that her "career" is a "dignified" one.
Literally no psychologist would agree with her. It’s important to remember none of these people are experts or even formally educated in what they debate about
Ppl gotta realise that she has her career on the line she will defend it by any means necessary
this guy circling his notes everytime he disagrees is just too funny.
Trent is such a pro. You can tell he and Lila prepped together. They were much more in sync and better prepared than Destiny and Jazmen
Absolutely not. Trent is just a superior debater and is better at reading and considering the room and incorporating their opinions into his replies.
@@laymansterms1776 Trent is the man. He truly wants the world to be a better place.
Imagine being Jazmen and trying to debate, sound professional, and be taken seriously while having your obnoxiously gigantic boobs on display the whole time.
@@purestfury he’s much more fun to listen to in a debate than Lila. She’s made me sad every time I watch this now. Superrrrrr condescending and constantly responding to her projections than the point. TRENT is actually listening and it makes him a far more lethal competitor.
Yeah that's probably on purpose. They pick and choose who is on the show after all.
2:38:18 Dang, this is my first time seeing Trent lose his cool in a debate. And honestly, considering the subject matter, I don't blame him at all lol.
I've never seen him like this before. But in his defense, you're arguing against two people who think hunting for food is more depraved than having intercourse with animals. What makes this even more funny is they don't believe there is anything other than material in this world. So even the position, "they are equally bad (because there is no bad)", makes more sense than their view. At least that's logically consistent. But this is just off the rails lol.
@@grant2707no one said killing is "more depraved". You're just making stuff up, changing words to fit a narrative. Obviously fucking animals is more perverted than killing them, no one disagrees.
These two are sick
Well yeah look at who they are debating two of the most degenerate figures this era has seen to date, Destiny turns into a child when he starts losing and the lawyer 304 throws common sense out the window and starts going wheres the stats, data, stats, for things that are clearly common freaking sense! she is the type of person that the water could be blue but because there is no analazys or data to show how it's blue she will debate it on why it isnt blue. "I know there is scientifically data available that proves why water is blue, just and example."
Yeah, crazy moment. Destiny asked him to clarify what he meant and he completely flipped out at that, apparently he wasn't comfortable defending his views.
The fact that Destiny doesn't think guys are shamed for being virgins is wild. I work with guys, one is a virgin, and he gets dogpiled all the time. When I was, I got dogpiled. And this was years ago now.
Destiny is so hopelessly out of touch and disconnected with normal everyday human beings its just absolutely wild af to me that he thinks he's as "in tune" as he does.
Triggered conservatives are adorable
@@735337707 cope more fslur
Thats crazy destiny never said or implied that
@@tony2pumps1 agree. love how Destiny was so clear, that it was EXACTLY not what he meant. Which Lila and clearly @andrewrackliff8223 couldn't understand, is funny.
I can’t stand Destiny how Destiny shuts down Lila and Trent just because he doesn’t like their answer. He’s so rude and honestly comes off as ignorant and scared that his viewpoint is going to get dismantled if he lets them speak.
actually quite the opposite when destiny gives a hypothetical trent and lila change the goal post and talk about what they feel and not facts which is bad for debating. whether you like it or not destiny and jazmen owned them in this debate
My stepson was in the hospital with blood cancer several years ago with a 15% chance of survival. I'm glad the nurse wasn't afraid to get close. She visited his when he transferred to Mayo and when he fully recovered, he married her. They have 2 wonderful kids.
Wait what?
Dude that’s awesome! Congrats to you and your fam 🙏
Nice!
Thats grooming
@@redvelvet9215you literally don’t know what grooming is. Grooming is putting someone into a position to make them consent to sex. Grooming kids for sex is to make them feel like they like you and are comfortable with you and blur the lines between friendship and sexual acts. Marrying your patient is nowhere close to that.
Destiny is a smart guy who has convinced himself of very stupid things.
@@tomv4 Lol no, he is smart enough to manipulate arguments to justify his own shitty behavior. He's a philosophical con artist.
He’s an intellectual fraud who thinks speaking fast makes him a good debater. A real debater can easily destroy him in a debate.
I never thought about it like that.
name one
@@roundtabledetails3307 his tactic to embrace morally repugnant conclusions for the sake of maintaining logical consistency. It is a reprehensible use of logic and he only does it to create the facade of being “reasonable.” When one embraces bestiality and incest just to preserve their logical consistency, they’re not seeking virtue or ethical merit, they’re just seeking to be “right.”
why is destiny always defending incest is beyond me
It’s because he hasn’t been media trained like Lila and Trent.
He should be more tactful and dishonest if he wishes to win
@@Multi407DHe should just develop a brain and actually arrive to logical conclusions instead of throwing around big words trying to sound smart, if he wants to win
@@JonCampo91 Name one big word he threw around that you didn't understand
He didn’t want to defend an open relationship between Melina & her abusive partner, I wonder why 🧐
Cause he is a creep. Look at him!
The fact that this chick thinks that its ok for a 13 year old girl to search choking porn to explore her sexuality is WILDDDDD.
The fact that Destinys realtionship is falling apart, even that it is open on both ends and was communicated between them before going into the relationship, shows that there is more to sex than just the activity in itself.
It’s frustrating watching Destiny filibuster to avoid being refuted. Just let them talk and then respond
You mean around 35:00 where he actually got some amount of speaking time to address the multiple of points the opponents have brought up?
Lol give me a break. The bimbo in the purple jacket couldn’t stop interrupting both of them. She even interrupted her partner.
I never would have expected to see Trent Horn on this podcast but I’m here for it 😂
@avah9353 this is his second time on the podcast.
Why? It's seems to be pretty popular with tradcon talking heads.
@@ndimuafricalol okay
I thought it was Miles Teller
should watch his previous debate with Destiny, one of the best debates online right now honestly.
Lilas coughs made more sense than these 2. They’re literally the type to look up a counter argument mid debate and start reading the first highlighted sentence on google that pops up out loud, rather than looking for actual credible sources.
Destiny is not stupid, but he pigeon holes himself in horrible stances and he knows it. His pride is his vice and i pray he can just find humility some day and argue honorable side. He would be far happier if he just accepts the logical point and stop defending his lifestyle.
he literally only uses logic, which is the thing bothering you
That's wild considering the other side has religious commitments that don't allow them to even entertain dissenting opinions. Trent would literally lose his job if he changed his mind and became pro pornography.
You don't have to be religious to know that it's bad. @@user-pn8ke3kf5f
Would love to see a one on one debate with Trent and destiny
They Debated on the whatever podcast on the topic of abortion. Much more fruitful and peaceful than this debate.
They had a calm, chill and productive debate on abortion.
When Destiny and Lila get together it’s definitely not as civil 😂. I’ve seen Jazmen put in work on these but I feel like Destiny would have ran this better alone. I feel there were moments he wanted to argue against her lol.
They have already done it, about abortion.
@@marcusjones1399jaszman is a hedonistic animal fudging muppet.
My views as a woman align entirely with Lila. I really loved hearing Trent’s points as well. As always, the conservatives are logical and the left is upset about it. Although this was a pretty good debate compared to what we usually see from the left
Trent Horn is great, I'm not catholic I'm Prodestant but he's git some great stuff
How are you logical? The logical thing is if you don't like porn you don't watch it period you want to force everyone to follow your bullshit rules even if we disagree
@@Kirbykracklegirlnot too late to join the team, bro ;)
Where does Destiny get “upset?”
@@romulus9990whenever he talks because he is so much "smarter" than everyone else. Destiny is just a fast talker.
This Jazmin women making the arguments that basically "Because kids and people will do it anyway, there's no practical point in restricting porn or putting laws in place for minors around pornography" is such an absolutely absurd argument, especially since she's apparently a lawyer, because you could make that argument about quite literally any law. People will do it anyway, so why put laws in place?
Her argument is essentially unless we can 100% guarantee no access to minors for pornography, there's no point in trying to restrict access. That's insane?
There's no way we can stop minors from consuming alcohol but that doesn't mean we just abandon any attempts to reduce alcohol consumption in children?
We can't stop the committing of ANY offense or crime doesn't mean we don't try and find ways to reduce them!?
Jazmen was being overwhelmingly outmaneuvered in the debate concerning bestiality. Destiny knew the importance of conceding certain points. If moral principles are indeed relative, deriving their essence from our subjective emotional responses, then how do they provide a justifiable defense for practices like incest and bestiality, which uniformly provoke intense and widespread revulsion?
When she argued that 11 year olds are just discovering themselves when exposed to r4pe pr0n, I knew there was no soul within this OF lawyer 💀
@@adrian-ck7biseriously man, she's a lost cause
For the record historically incest was super okay and supported as it was believed “you should keep it in the family” your power, money, and genetics. Now this is no longer done because look at the Roman emperors inbreed to hell but even monarchs often inbreed to preserve power. Incest is something that we’ve moved away from for genetic issues and the fact it creates very unhealthy power dynamics between family members that can become coercive
@@adrian-ck7biI mean historically when an 11 would see her mother r*ped or beaten by their father as women didn’t have rights for most of history did it traumatize the young girl or the village tortured and murderer to the ground? Did they have discovery then about themselves? Human beings can handle a lot be completely in phases watching some rough internet pr0n isn’t gonna kill someone. Ofc they did. Now should a person going through puberty be allowed to engage with pr0n yea but they should moderated and be told before hand that it’s not real.
This is just false... She was arguing on the side of facts instead of feelings. You guys and Lila argued feeling. I don't like it so it's bad. That doesn't prove anything.
I love how TRIGGERED Destiney was with Lila 😂😂😂 He is such a puss
That's why his wife left him
@@Mojo-w6p REALLY??!?! I’m under a rock about his relationship but good to know 😂😂😂
Bruh, can't tell if Maddison literally staring into the camera is a troll or if she is just zoning out.
And we love it. 🥰
I don’t think much is going on up there
@@tomcampbell8934fr shes a cutie patootie
The upcoming divorce arc will be hilarious 😂😂😂
I dont know , but for sure Brian is happy to see her every time ...🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Why is destiny so hostile with Lila?
He's got a way different tone with her than anyone else right off the rip
He hates women
The jasmine/destiny side really tried to defend porn is ok by saying beastiality and kid AI is ok… I don’t wanna be on that side ever…. What an eye opener. Also destiny is proof open relationships never work long term
What part is that in cuz idk where people think this kid ai shit is ok cuz I woulda got up and fired on both of them
@@KarateWrestler2051:35:08 and forward she defends ai cp
Yes, in the past Destiny has advocated the use of AI CP to "satisfy" the urges of offenders. 🤦♂️
Glad you love the things of Righteousness. Now keep walking the Walk of righteousness.
Funny how the data always agrees with jazmen until there’s a point where the statistics would obviously disagree with her. Then she says the data is “mixed”, what a weasel.
Facts. The best that jasmine can say about sex work and porn is that the data is 'mixed', and that's AT BEST. I say we air on the side of caution, and denounce porn and sex work like any normal society would do
@@Holy_Athleticssince no society is denouncing it.. Not denouncing is normal.
as opposed to lila giving zero stats when destiny asked her about stats about what percentage of people who start watching porn end up watching extreme porn who is weasel now?
@@DennisJosephin “wHaT aBoUt ThEm OvEr ThERe ThOuGH”
@StArthurDayne ?? You talk about jazmen what about Lila and Trent? Only feelings and no facts
Dude made the perfect point when he mentioned beastiality and they had no response to it.
The only good response would be "I am Vegan, I am against all animal exploitation"
I commend Lila & Trent for maintaining such virtue in their speech throughout the heated debate. I’ve always admired their skills in debate but if I were in their position I would’ve started dropping F-bombs like their interlocutors. At many points of the debate, Destiny & Jazmen make such condescending claims about religion… but Trent & Lila always stayed above it. Thank you both!
Trent and Lila were not respectful at all. They may not have used swear words but they were condescending and dismissive. Trent in particular wasn’t even respectful to Lila!
Neither side comes out of this well, don’t let your bias cloud your judgement.
Sorry to break it to you, God doesn't exist.
I’m sorry would have been soo much better with just Trent and Destiny
Then Laila can debate the other girl on another show
100
Wtf?! Why?
The mega boobs was distracting xD
Just Trent. Destiny is a dishonest little weasel
Trent and Jazmin... Lila and Destiny took it to irrelevant points to often.
"A therapist or doctor cannot have sex with someone because it harms their ability to do their job"
This kind of shits all over the concept of meaningless, no strings attached sex and it comes from the pro meaningless no strings attached sex side of the argument.
If people were able to seperate sex from bonding and attachment then it wouldn't be an issue, but by their own admission it is.
Nailed it.
I think that’s the point that Lila and Trent were trying to get at but Destiny kept talking over them and weaseling away from it.
Every time open relationships came up, it looked like everyone was metaphorically holding their breath bc of destiny. Everyone looked uncomfortable during that time bc they were avoiding destiny's relationship topic.
It’s ironic he was on here last time saying open marriage is great….. now getting a divorce cuz of his open marriage. Irony 100%
@@katjones4840 When has he even recommended an open relationship?
@@jamez2918 he's never recommended it, however, he talks as though if you have a hang up about it, it's because you're a booooooooooomer.
He literally says several times relationships are brought up that open relationships aren't for 90% of people because there's always weird jealousy and feelings.
@@Kevin_Knox So he's never recommended it and you're still upset?
Regarding sexual assault the reason sexual assault in the UK jumped is because they finally started investigating it as opposed to pretending to take reports and then throwing them in the trash
Something that kills these debates is allowing non serious tts and the damn grape shit. Its hard to take a conversation serious when you are having to do all that.
I agree. These people are smart enough to come up with hypotheticals that don’t plunge the discussion into the obscene
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068the discussion is about obscenity it's hard to avoid that.
Lila rose added nothing of value to this discussion. @1:56:00 is the most telling part of the debate. She spent the whole debate just trying to character assassinate the other side and then refuses to answer this question because she knows that her answer is horrific
It’s hard to take the conversation seriously when one side has blue hair and 12 inches of exposed cleavage.
@@Firstlastmwhat does the cleavage have to do with the conversation?? If she had it covered do you think the conversation would have gone down differently?
I'm a nurse in Canada and practice in the USA. One of the first things we learn in Nursing Fundamentals is that our relationship with our patients is based on empathy (not compassion) and this is documented in the Canadian College of nurses practice standard. Compassion is one sided as to where empathy is having the capacity to have a perspective from both the professional side and the subjective experience of the patient's side. Destiny is wrong
Saying porn isn’t addictive is like saying weed isn’t addictive lol
No since cannabis use disorder is a thing but there's nothing like it for porn.
@@lrsb1678 sure its not chemically addicting but to say you cant grow a dependence on it is very untrue. cold sweats struggle to eat and sleep are just a number of side effects people who smoke daily feel when not getting their daily smoke. no you wont get physically ill from not having it like you would with some schedule one drugs but you can depend on it for sure
@@lrsb1678 we talk in general not about a 5% minority that get anxiety from it lol
Huh?
Wow..the kids table is over there, get going.
This debate was one of the final straws leading me to convert from agnostic to Christian. JJ and Stephen’s arguments have to be some of the most absurd degenerate talking points I’ve ever heard. Imagine being so far gone and desperate to be right that you’re defending ai cp and incest porn. That and tabling common sense and decency for studies..really insane takes. Let’s wake up folks, God save them.
Give me the most good faith summary of what their argument is. I wanna see you actually try, ok?
Amen 🙏🏼
2:38:30 "No, you're not sane. You're an insane person"
Yeah, that about sums up the debate right there.
Coming from an actual cannibal that eats the body of Jesus on a regular basis I don't think that really means much.
@@user-pn8ke3kf5f Ah yes, we should totally not agree with Trent since he is a religious person.
Instead we should listen to a man who literally allowed his wife to be used by other men for mere sexual pleasure until she eventually divorced him after which he admitted that he had been so weak and permissive for so long that it became impossible to set any boundaries.
And we should listen to a literal prostitute because everyone knows that the highest caliber of moral behavior is selling your body as a commodity.
Your attempt at character assignation fails pretty hard when the opponent's characters literally represent the lowest and most shamed moral weaknesses in men and in women respectively.
Never minding for the moment that neither Destiny nor Jasmin neither would, nor could condemn cannibalism under their own stated moral worldview.
Destiny doesn't think that anything done to a dead body is immoral, and Jasmin can only appeal to 'consent' as a moral basis which no longer applies to the dead.
@@shawn4110 It's not an attempt at assassinating their moral character. It's pointing out that Trent is completely intellectually compromised due to religious commitments and also due to his employment. It's like listening to a Muslim that is employed by an Islamic organization talk about how it's immoral for a woman to not cover her head. They're clearly intellectually compromised and nobody should be taking them seriously.
Yes, because the DSM 5 is such a great source of truth. It is totally not biased at all.
Prove it's biased.
Yes? It is?
“I dont like it so its biased” is not a valid argument
@@WizardofGargalondesewhy is it it good?
@@yanowic9107well you can infer that the same organization once said homosexuality was a mental disease and only changed it in DSM 4, so I don't think they are really credible as they have relativistic standard. GLAAD probably made them change it (joking obviously)
@@larryjake7783
Its “good” in the sense that its a reliable source of information
Lmao, Destiny got so triggered at 2:00:00 for the guy commenting hes a virgin and Lila saying “good job”
The fact that Destiny had this debate as his "open marriage" was falling apart is hilarious to me. 😂
Lila is so bad at debating.... I'm on her side. But good God she needs to let people speak. And when she gets interrupted she doesn't appreciate it. At least Trent will let them talk
No omg ,she was interrupted much more ,you obviously don't support her at all
She was terrible. She didn’t get a lot of the arguments made and relied on her belief in her moral superiority more than reason and data. She was condescending to the other side, as she’s been in other debates-typical for those who are supremely confident in their own righteousness. She didn’t even understand her own arguments. I think it’s interesting that other commenters feel she was cut off, while she interrupted, talked over people, and refused to hear others make their argument. I don’t learn much whenever she talks except good examples of terrible logic.
Jazmen saying that watching simulated inc*st porn is alright to sexually respond to is WILD and unironically confirms SO much about how she ended up where she did 😂
Argue against it with your feet firmly planted to reality.
Why is murder bad? Deeming human lives precious helps us live in an environment where we can expect a level of safety, that people are not going to be likely to stab us because they will suffer consequences. This environment has massive gains for wide majority emotionally, physically etc. Murder in itself means unjustified killing, therefore it could've been avoided, therefore it should've been avoided according to this rule to nurture safety.
Now try and do that for Jazmen's claim and know that you basically need to argue for fiction being harmful.
A whole bunch of moral and emotional arguments, but none of them providing any rational argument against watching simulated incest porn and why you shouldn’t do it. So go ahead, come up with a rational argument instead of moral grandstanding.
@@sugartoothYT None of these people will ever try to argue a position. They can say anything and claim something is obvious, natural or anything of the sort.
I get it, it's so nice when your positions get spoonfed to you and all you need to do to spread and defend them is "It's just obvious this is true".
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 and you justify having sex with fetus corpses because sex is for pleasure. I’d rather morally grandstand than believe in moral relativism.
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261 Porn rewires your brain to a juvenile state.
I counted the number of stats and sources by each side in this entire discussion. Lila and trent sited 8, destiny and jaz only cited 5. So for every8ne saying that lila and trent didnt come with facts or data, they cited MORE sources. In addition, jasmine says data on porn is "mixed" at best. She will say that a negative side effect once pork was introduces doesnt mean that its a correlation, but fhen says that once porn was introduced, differemt crimes decreased, saying there was a direct correlation.
Not surprising that lawyer chicks fans are delusional about reality. But it is important to note that they had less data. Weird that people claimed the contrary.
@sillysyriac8925 its important to note that destiny and jasmine are probably two of yhe best that the "other side' has to offer. And yet trent and lila still made better arguments, looking at it unbiased as best I can. Jasmine needs to realiE also, that not everything is going to have stats to see if it's 'harmful or not" ...like sleeping with your own sister, something both she and destiny defended. You don't need raw data on every issue to know that something shouldn't be done.
Quality over quantity every single time. Lila cited a study that got immediately destroyed by jazmen. Also the source matters. If you cite a peer reviewed study it has way more weight than anything cited from a website or lower impact journal
@KoffyGG can you be specific? The best that jasmine could say is that data on porn is "mixed" amd "frustrating"..that's not language that the winner would use.
The actual substance of the materials matter more than quantity
Exploitation and Commodification best point of entire podcast. Lila way to persevere through this debate. A great debate of intellectual people 💡