Donahue - "AIDS" - WBBM-TV (Complete Broadcast, 11/17/1982) 📺
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- Here's a complete broadcast of Donahue on WBBM Channel 2, looking at the AIDS epidemic early on in its devastation within the gay community, and summing up what was known up to then.
His guests are screenwriter and Gay Men's Health Crisis co-founder Larry Kramer; Philip Lanzaratta, who'd been diagnosed as having Kaposi's Sarcoma, a cancer associated with AIDS; and Dan William, M.D., an internist at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center in New York City (now part of the Mount Sinai Hospital system), who diagnoses AIDS patients.
Includes:
Station ID / promo for "Incest: The Last Family Secret" at 10pm
Phil sets up this edition and what will be tackled, and how much if any is known at this point; he introduces his guests; the number of AIDS cases to date and breakdown by region are shown on the screen.
Commercials for:
Cheerios (kids in treehouse)
Jell-O Instant Pudding & Pie Filling
WCLR 102 FM - "Movin' Easy" (voiceover by Robert W. Morgan?)
Birds Eye Sweet Green Peas and Vegetables
In Segment 2, questions from the audience include original symptoms of AIDS, how 30 cases in Chicago as of this show are broken down geographically, a caller from Chicago indignant and asking for spotlight on "more disgusting diseases" among the community, whether the numbers of the time are enough to warrant research, and CDC response to AIDS vs. Legionnaire's Disease.
Commercials for:
ON TV (heralding new 24 hour schedule)
Poppin Fresh's Thanksgiving pies
McDade's - sales on Sunbeam electric blanket and Code a Phone
Long version promo for WBBM 10 O'Clock News Special Report on "Incest: The Last Family Secret" reported by Carol Krause
PSA for Little Brothers of the Poor (services for the elderly)
In Segment 3, Phil encapsulates this edition's subject, describing AIDS, then takes audience questions on whether it's caused by a virus, whether it's a "gay thing" (leading to a list of AIDS sex profiles on the screen), the issue of IV drugs, what the Chicago gay community is doing about it, and a caller worried about cancer being "communicable" (leading to showing of contact info for National Gay Task Force Hotline).
Commercials for:
Aunt Jemima French Toast
Alpo BeefBite Treats
Calgon - "Ancient Chinese Secret" (seen individually here: • Calgon - "Ancient Chin... )
Jewel Food Stores - "If It's Important to You, It's Important to Jewel"
Promo for November 22nd People magazine issue (Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall on cover)
For Segment 4, audience questions include how Dr. William knows if a patient he's examining has AIDS, whether it's confined to larger states or cities (31 states had reported cases at this point), gay activist Peter Kessler imploring people to think of it as a disease not a gay one, a woman who accuses the guests of "making it important," and another who brings up the issue of federal funding.
Commercials for:
Shower Dew In-Shower Moisturizing Lotion
McDade's - sale on Hoover Concept 1 Power Drive cleaner
Tennessee Pride "Whole Hog" Country Sausage
Montgomery Ward sale on Bausch + Lomb soft contact lenses
Segment 5 starts with contact info for GMHC shown on screen, then more audience questions
Commercials for:
Feen-a-Mint Laxative Gum and Pills
Spectrum Pay TV
GrandMa's Real Chocolate Chip Home Style Cookies
The Holidays at Stratford Square
Promo for November 20th-26th TV Guide issue (Three's Company cast on cover)
Slide graphic for sending for transcripts, followed by another showing on screen of contact info for National Gay Task Force Hotline; Phil gives info as ending credits shown:
Executive Producer - Richard Mincer
Senior Producer - Patricia McMillen
(also not shown)
Producer - Darlene Hayes
Producer - Gail Steinberg
Director - Ron Weiner
Promo for Barnaby Jones for 4:00pm (voiceover by Bob Carrington)
Continuation of ending credits:
Produced by Multimedia Program Productions, Inc.
Commercials for:
Home Pride Butter Top Wheat Bread
Zayre $250,000 Gift Certificate Sweepstakes
Marshall Field's - sales on Cuisinart (recording ends before ad does)
This aired on local Chicago TV on Wednesday, November 17th 1982 during the 9:00am to 10:00am timeframe.
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Goodbye, Phil. Gen X kids will always remember you.
We needed a Donahue-type person to guide us through the beginning of covid. Rest In Peace, Phil Donahue. Thank you for your show.
Don't hold your breath! It would take talent, courage & advertisers, unafraid!
Rest in peace, Phil Donahue. You were ahead of your time.
Another point that will likely be missed in 2021. Phil is sitting right next to the gentleman with AIDS. He's not 6 feet away, he shook his hand and showed absolutley no fear. That sent a message of its own in 1982. People were being evicted from their homes. Ambulances were refusing to pick them up, nurses did not want to give them care, and Mortuaries were saying no to the bodies.
What is the relevance of 6' during the GRID/HIV/AIDS crisis?
Donahue is the gold standard in talk show hosts. At this taping, < 1,000 people were infected, out of a national population of 231 MILLION.
As a physician never ever was I afraid
@@letsgobrandon2722 I am glad. Because those patients needed the same compassion, the same nurturing, and quality of care that any other patient did, and often, especially from1981 through 1985, that did not happen consistently because of paranoia and stigma among health care workers in the States and still does not in the developing world. I recall in 1988, a nurse I worked with in a long term setting, refused to care for an AIDS patient.
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Wow, it's something to see this again. I interviewed Phillip L. for the first story I ever did, and the first my publication ever ran, about AIDS, back in 1983. It was sometime after this show aired, in fact. Thanks for posting this
Rest in peace Phil, you were one of the good guys
WHY DONT WE HAVE REAL TALK LIKE THIS ON “TALK” SHOWS ANYMORE
seriously this was very on point and accurate for so early on in the crisis.
Money. Ever since The McLaughlin Group on CNN.
Phil was a great host who brought dignity to the talk show format.
Then came Oprah Winfrey in 1986, Jenny Jones & the late Jerry Springer in 1991.
Gotta hand it to Phil Donahue. He handled this straight fowardly, soberly, and humanely. The men on the panel were brave, brave, BRAVE.
I was in college when this first started getting talked about. I remember my father saying, "There's a new disease out there. They're telling us that it only afflicts gay people. I don't buy that crap for a minute. And I want you to be very, VERY careful, because this is deadly and it's going to spread to everyone." My father was ahead of the game on so many things, but I really did pay attention to him this time. And I am so glad I took him seriously. He died in 2005. I love you, Dad!
I'm sorry but 99.9 per cent of the time it is a gay disease when it comes to men. Heterosexual men DO NOT get HIV unless it's from IV drug use or a blood transfusion. Magic Johnson and charlie sheen are the two only famous heterosexual cases and let's be honest they caught it from men. The other cases are from closeted homosexuals ....just facts...
Your dad was very wise
@@ginaluciano9933 Thank you. I was so lucky to have him!
I was in high school at the time in the early 80s. And I remember not having sex because of it.
@@marcK599. That was smart.
Of course the only person at the time reporting on this was Donahue, he doesn’t get enough credit that he should, helped pave the way for many talk show hosts today and I wish more of them could be more like Donahues show and less like Dr. Phil 🙄
As a gay man, when I make a list of straight men who most positively impacted gay rights, he makes the top 5. If you know anything about politics in this country, you know that changing the hearts and minds of the very women sitting in his audience and watching his show representing that demographic, is absolutely crucial to any reformist movement. Its far less of a mystery why our movement moved at comparative warp speed when you see what he did for LBGTQ issues from 1968 through his retirement. Gay bashing, sodomy statutes, gay and lesbian adoption, homosexuality education in public schools, same sex rape, AIDS, civil unions, gays in the clergy, SSM, Phil was always there asking 'what kind of country do you want? '
@@BTURNER1961 yeah and the poor guy was silenced post 9/11 when he spoke out against the “war on terrorism” they cancelled his show… tbh when I look up old talk shows on RUclips a lot of it is for self indulgence like Ricki Lake but, Donahue was a provocative thinker for the times and I really enjoy looking back on the episodes I am able to find. They’re like rare treasures when I find his show
@@BTURNER1961 oh yeah and he was probably one of the first people to speak out on the SA going on in the Catholic Church. He’s a righteous dude
I think he was fantastic here. Compassionate, non judgemental but asked good pressing questions. He got a lot of flack in later years but he was an amazing journalist here.
Phil is such a master at synthesizing information, creating a space for dialogue, and injecting his morality into the debate without being overbearing. What a legend.
When that doctor said no disease is disgusting, he needed applause.
The audience probably agreed about it being disgusting.
This is an historic program at the beginnings of the AIDS pandemic
* Plandemic.
The beginning of the HIV/AIDS pandemic technically started in 1974-1977.
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I wish lgbt people from my generation (gay and born in '85) would realize how amazing Phil Donahue was and still is!
Phil Donahue brought attention to HIV/AIDS. I'll never forget his show.
I just finished reading Dr Fauci's new book. Chapter on AIDS was very educating.
He really did. So many of us watched his show and he was so ahead of his time. May he RIP ❤
Growing up in the 1990s, I remember Donahue's show on daytime TV. As it was in the show's final years, it didn't seem as much part of the landscape as Springer, Ricki Lake, or (of course,) Oprah (whose show's overnight success helped begin the end of his reign.)
What I didn't realize until just today, in the hours since his death, was how radical and boundary-pushing he was. Again, he was already off the air by the time I came of age. To actually bring on a person with AIDS, a radical AIDS activist (Larry Kramer), and just devote a show to the subject, and challenge the prejudices of his audience (even as he makes a few missteps himself.)
Remember, in 1982, Ronald Reagan was three years (and many AIDS-related deaths) away from even saying the word AIDS in public. This was before Rock Hudson, Stephen "Airplane!" Stucker, Ryan White, and Liberace. This was before celebrities like Elizabeth Taylor and Elton John used their money and star power to try and force people (at least those who didn't sink in bigotry) to realize that AIDS was not gay cancer, and should be recognized as a plague.
I am now intrigued to learn more about a man I thought I knew as just one more host in the cluttering sea of Daytime TV. Rest in Peace to Phil Donahue.
Larry Kramer was a hero. I suggest everyone watch A Normal Heart. The movie based on his play. It stars Mark Ruffalo & it’s so moving
There is a Normal Heart sequel to be released in HBO.
HBO should do a television series based on And The Band Played On.
@@Mr.Majestic77 Oh wow. That's exciting. I've read both A Normal Heart and Destiny of Me. Both excellent pieces.
@@Mr.Majestic77 what happens does AIDS itself get infected with shrill Broadway camp?
This is amazing. They literally had no idea it was a blood borne disease. It all seems so obvious now, but it was a mystery at the time.
@@Mr.Majestic77 They did
This episode should be archived by a public library system.
It has been. By The Museum of Classic Chicago Television and RUclips. Accessible anywhere in the world and free of charge.
Donahue was so far ahead of the rest of the mainstream media on this issue, and many others.
Rest in peace Mr. Donahue, you will be sorely missed ❤
The BEST Talk Show of all time. Hopefully, you will upload more episodes.
The last caller asking because she thought her brother died of aids absolutely broke my heart
I loved how Phil called out that bigoted lady that had called before after that call..."It's their problem" as if gay people didnt have straight people around that loved them and cared for them and were genuinely terrified for them...not to mention it could still be transmitted within the straight community too.
The bravery, and passion of these men makes this the most fascinating, heart-wrenching, and powerful video I’ve seen in a long time.
Thank you for uploading this. AIDS history is very interesting.
What a contrast to today’s activists. Phil was extremely respectful to everyone, he listened to varying viewpoints, he informed, he educated, was compassionate. He never vilified or insulted anyone. You look at the wanna-be activists of today (who are actually just virtue signallers) and they get into tantrums if people don’t agree with them. They’re toxic, closed minded, rude and resort to insults and vilifying. Who gets the point across better? Phil Donahue by a million miles. He was intelligent, informed and curious. It’s too bad people of today aren’t learning from his example. Rest in peace Phil Donahue, you are missed.
I was a year and a half old when this aired. So interesting to see how much we didn't know back then. Thank you for posting this in its entirely. 👍
I was still in heaven.
I was 17 , I remember the hard core scary evil vibe during this time very well..horrific time !
I was 4.
@@oliverv291Me as well except that I was 13. It was such a scary and devastating time.
I served as a volunteer at Birmingham AIDS Outreach for two years during the onset of this crisis and it was horrible how people with AIDS were treated by society and their families.
What were people supposed to do upon hearing that a incurable disease is ravaging people and you nobody knew how people got it ?
Which Birmingham? Alabama or England?
@@MaidenUtah1 that would be Alabama
This should be shown in all schools. If they had government funding for treatments, many lives could’ve been saved. Thankfully it’s not a death sentence anymore. May all who were affected RIP- You are not forgotten.
Man 80s TV just had everything, a talkshow about AIDs, then Pop N Fresh pies, then incest, then Catholic charity drives, then answering machine promotions
... the Stratford Square Mall commercial advertised Marshall Field, Carson Pirie Scott and Motngomery Ward... all iconic Chicago department stores... and now no longer in existence...
I was born less than a month after this interview in December 1982. What a scary time this must have been. It was very important for Donahue to give this daytime exposure. Bravo to him and his show.
It was !
The gays refuse to hear that a dozen sex partners in one night is not parallel to straight sexuality.
I was 6 when this aired.
I was a new nurse who would learn in 1987 that my precious cousin was HIV+ and quickly had AIDS soon after. He died in 1993. We still don’t have cure as such in 2024. 💔
It definitely was a scary and devastating time.
I remember AIDS being a death sentence all too well. I've sadly lost some friends due to it and to this day, I miss them dearly. RIP to them and to all of those that lost their lives from AIDS. ❤
Phil was way ahead of his time. He paved the way for so many other talk show hosts. May he RIP. ❤
Thank you so much for making this accessible for everyone. ❤️ i absolutely love your channel
Larry Kramer was a fearless warrior. Rest in peace. This has to be one of the earliest national broadcast about Aids... thank you, Phil!! It's amazing how much they already knew about HIV at this early stage.
I was only 12 years old. A year later I became a hospital volunteer working with AIDS patients. To See the misinformation , the way they were treated back then. It was heartbreaking. We really didn’t know a lot , the public was increasingly frightened. Lack of government direction or acknowledgement. In New York City , we has a Mayor , who was closeted , who refused to even acknowledge it. No excuse for how they were treated . Just an observation. I remember walking down the hospital halls , and seeing food left outside the patients doors because the nurses refused or were afraid to bring it in. It was really terrifying. It was also terrifying as a preteen and teenager to come of age during this disease. What should have been a carefree time of identity , dating, discovering who you were was marred by this epidemic. The whole “ unprotected sex can kill you “ really reduced the freedom that the 70’s and later generations enjoyed.
The 1970s was when HIV was spreading like wild fire, unnoticed.
A fascinating look back on history
It is fascinating -- its like a time machine.
Phil asked a really insightful question early on, as to whether the panelists being defensive was preventing them from seeing the problem. The panelists didn't realize that anal sex was an (relatively speaking) efficient means of transmitting the virus -- indeed, they weren't sure that it even was a virus.
Old music sounds so good on Donahue as he goes to break and the music on the old commercials, real music and real people playing the instruments.
Increible find here. Love seeing my hero Larry Kramer looking as smart and handsome as ever. Phil had a point though, their over defensiveness (understandable as it was) to protect the gay community from prejudice was potentially clouding their judgement as far as looking for the cause of the disease. Donahue in his prime really was a great reporter/interviewer.
I made the same point, and agree 100%. Its funny, listening to the conversation, its so obvious, NOW, that they had everything they needed to understand how transmission was occurring, but they were defensive, understandably, and it clouded their analysis.
They {the panelists] were scared. Sex is how gay men related to each other for many, many years. Same-sex marriage is a very new concept in the world.
His stubborn overprotectivness at any price likely costed many of his own(gay people) their life so he should've refrained from claiming things he simply didn't know! If 80% of the affected were gay men, but not gay women, and that only around 10% of people are gay, it's absurd to pretend that there's no strong correlation!
Thanks for keeping these so we can see them❤️
I was both fortunate and unfortunate enough to have just come of sexual age as this was becoming known . I was too scared to get it , but then I was scared too much as well . I didn't get blindsided by AIDS but my sexual years were marked by fear and mistrust .
I was born in 1961... exactly the same experience for me.
Well said, exactly my feelings 22-23 in 1981 and started to go to gay bars 1978 in RI, moved to LA in 1982 (stayed until 2020) very little intercourse w,o a condom, but it only took one time of unprotected sex. I was a lucky one, still negative 41+ years later.
I applaud the guests for their bravery in being on this show. I was almost six months old when this aired.
I grew up "on the scene" as this hit here in the UK. Frightening and the strives that happened were slow. I knew at least 8 acquaintances that passed away due to AIDS complications.
My brother and I use to watch Donahue in the 80s
I was only 11 months old. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to lose so many friends and loved ones in such a short amount of time. By the time i was in school, we were well educated on aids.
I lived in Miami (Coconut Grove) at the time this happened and people were terrified at Mercy Hospital about getting AIDS from Haitian patients. They don't get as much press about the discrimination they got because of AIDS as gays in NY or SF but it was terrible.
5:17 Donahue showed this clip in the 1996 finale showing the AIDS Statistics from that 1982 show. Then he gave in the finale the then-current AIDS statistics.
Donahue was brave at the time he did this show. He always did have controversial subject matter to introduce to his audience.
I was a teenager 19 and went to my first bar in Cleveland 3 months before this aired. In summer of 82 95% of people never heard of this disease. It was the last great summer of that era. Only those who happened to be home during the day would have watched this episode...and even then it would seem like some strange disease only in NYC and CA. As soon as 1983 arrived I remember asking someone in a bar (Keys)...what is this donation for AIDS thing??? They said...you mean you haven't heard about that thing that's killing gay men in San Francisco? ...I remember thinking- please don't let it be a disease.. And of course it was. Then the next " signal" was when it was talked about in the clubs that Patrick Cowley died of that weird disease. Then his picture and tribute was featured in the community magazine. He died during the same month of this Donahue episode. This was also the episode that Andy Warhol was too frightened to watch as was documented in the " Andy Warhol Diaries". Note Labor Day weekend 82 i met Sylvester at Traxx after he did his show at Exedra. I knew he was performing Patrick Cowleys music. No one knew how sick Patrick was in SF.
Fascinating you mentioned the Warhol diaries. I was thinking about Warhol’s comments on the disease as I was reading your comments
I came out around the same time. I met someone who I was very attracted to. He introduced me to the club life I loved very quickly. I recall being very frightened. During this time I fell in love for the first time and thought, “great, what do I do now?”. We began noticing night clubs were thinning out. They didn’t seem as busy. I began relationships with other men. A few I dated, I was aware they were positive. I was looking for a monogamous partner, (I always hated that word), the other guys weren’t interested. Then my first boyfriend died in 1986. Then someone else I dated died in 1988. I went to both funerals. I started seeing a therapist. I wasn’t sure if all the death in my life was my fault or not. I learned I wasn’t a bad person. I was leading a quieter life, I still hadn’t been tested. One night I was looking around at Tiffany’s, day dreaming a bit. I felt a tap on my shoulder. I turned around and looked up into the eyes of a handsome man around my age. Taller, darker, moustache, everything I was attracted to. He asked if I’d like to get a drink, I said sure. We had a nice evening. 5 nights later he called while I was at my folks for dinner. He asked if he could take me to dinner “anywhere you’d like to go”. I asked for a rain check. He was disappointed. My mother asked who had called. When I told her, she told me to call back, that we could have dinner anytime, and not to reject a nice invitation. That evening led to 3 years of dating until we decided to move in together. After we decided that we were a couple he had himself tested. He was negative. I’ve never been tested. For our 10 anniversary my folks took us on a cruise. A few years later a job offer came, and we had to move. My folks weren’t happy, but understood. He’s always said “I just want you to be happy”. A few years ago I hadn’t been feeling well. He came into a recovery room with tears in his eyes. He had to tell me I had stage3 cancer. He’s been my support through all of this since. We got married in 2014. We still count anniversaries from the day we met. This year will be 31. I never thought in 1982 that I’d be where I am today. After a bunch of frogs, I got lucky. We were told several weeks ago I might be sick again. I’m scared, but I know with my husband next to me, I’ll be alright. I hope you’re alright too Michael. I wish you all the best.
@@ATLcentury334 ....John I'm ok. Have a partner since 2006. In Cleveland the bars continued to thrive throughout the eighties. I moved to LA in Sept. 1988. Tomorrow June 5th 1981 is the 40 year anniversary of the epidemic. I came out exactly 7 days after they gave AIDS its official name. I went my my first club 1 day after Dan Rather on CBS news did the first report featuring Bobby Campbell. Of course I knew nothing about any of this until Jan. 1983. 1982 in Cleveland was absolute magic. The last great summer. If you want to check out something truly historic ...youtube " Emerald City" gay cable show. Full episodes fron 76 to 79. Let me know you got this chat.
@@michaelglenn367 , I’m glad you found somebody to have a relationship with. Everyone always asks us what our secret is. I just say, trust, respect, and a lot of love. It helps that both our folks never divorced. Not long after I met Matt, I traveled to San Francisco for my birthday. The trip had already been planned. I almost took Matt with me, but knowing each other just 4 months, I felt it was too soon. I remember when I was packing for the trip, I purposely didn’t bring any condoms with me. I didn’t want to be tempted, and without condoms I felt it would make it more difficult. I visited my good friend who lived there. He didn’t know I was coming and I showed up where he tended bar as a surprise. The surprise was on me. He didn’t look well. He passed away in a year. I think often about Jeffrey. I know he’d be happy for me, but I wish he were still here. So many bright, young, talented and funny guys were lost. It was all so sad.
95% never heard of it? I’ll take your word for it, but it makes me among the exceptional 5%. I recall first hearing of it from a sociology professor at SUNY Potsdam in early 1981 while taking a series of classes in epidemiology. He was ahead of his time. In 1979, he warned students that VD, (venereal disease), would sooner or later become untreatable via antibiotic resistance and mutation. That new kinds of VD as well as vector borne diseases would appear. Most kids laughed him off. The first AIDS death in the college community was a gay grad student, died at 26 in 1983.
This aired back in 1982. The usual progression from untreated HIV to AIDS is 5 years, which means anyone that was diagnosed with AIDS in 1980-1982 was initially infected with HIV was around 1974-1977.
Anyone that was infected with HIV from 1974/5 through 1990 had no chance to obtain improved ARVs in 1996.
Not true, I was diagnosed in 1986 prior to any treatment and I'm still here and fighting. And I'm not alone
@Fredrick Frederickson yeah I have heard of rapid progressors. Victims infected with HIV, which the virus progressed to AIDS in two years.
@@edbarron wow 1986? Did you avoid taking AZT? Also have you enrolled in human trial studies the either of two pending gene therapy approaches to functionally curing HIV?
*AGT103-T* and *EBT-101* are the two therapies that's currently undergoing human clinical trials, with final results to released between the years of 2027 to 2032.
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I wasn't "infected" and there is no such thing as "full blown AIDS". I was diagnosed and I have AIDS. Nothing full blown about it.
@@edbarronyou need to explain better so anyone reading this can understand how you survived.
Damn my man Phil d was hip to AIDS real early like! It's rare to find anything from the earliest years if anyone knows any let me know
It´s fascinating to watch this now, forty years later, with everything we know now. It´s also fascinating seeing how regular people without medical knowledge responded then - as people do now - with activism, and also reluctance to change their habits.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Loved Donahue cause however biased on a subject discussed on the show that day his feelings may have been ,he didn’t show it & let everyone have their say & tried to keep the discussion fair & rational & didn’t whip up a frenzy or jump on whatever bandwagon was going at the time .Probably this would’ve been the first prime time talkshow to discuss AID’s & the gathering medical crisis at that time in 82.RIP to all those people who have lost their battle with this cruel disease & RIP unbiased propagandaless primetime MSN talk shows .
I had several gay Male friends back in the mid 80s, they are all dead, ever one of them, there was no warning..
My sistahs..those men were NASTY. I saw it for myself. They had sex in the street and they walked around naked thousands of white men on Christopher Street in NYc in the 1970s. Lie in the bed you make. Only a female can expand and lubricate and female genitalia cleanses itself consistently. A man's backdoor wasn't designed by nature to be used sexually. Facts.
I'm sorry to hear that. That's so sad and tragic
May your friends Rest in Peace.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friends. ❤
Research into treating AIDS was pretty dang important. My brother would not be alive today if they hadn't worked hard on treatments and cures for AIDS. I just feel bad at how I used to buy into the fear, even being nervous when the cast from The Real World came to visit our high school and Sean Sasser (who would die from the disease) was among the guests, or when Magic Johnson still continued to play basketball. I know better now.
And man, I really miss Baker's Square (Poppin' Fresh), they made the BEST pies!
I get what you are saying but there is not yet a cure
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR AIDS RESEARCH WAS RAIISED BY HOLLYWOOD STARS LIKE ELIZABETH TAYLOR AMD MICHAEL JACKSON ETCCC...
Damn! $219 for a crappy answering machine!
True , expensive but I guess most technology starts off less quality, more expensive
How do you know it was "crappy"?
One lesson learned from this show is you can't form opinions when you have little to no data on the subject.
They had data. Go back and watch the first 10 minutes. Evidence showed an overwhelming amount who contracted it were homosexual men. Why was that? They should have been honest with their lifestyles and how anonymous hookup culture with no protection was the norm in the community. It affected heterosexuals less, due to monogamy and a higher usage of protection. It's always best to be honest instead of offended
Also, the gay community learned very little with monkeypox. More people were worried over being offended with promiscuity claims than getting it under control. Thankfully, vaccines already existed or we would have had another epidemic
@linger4605 it had more to do with anal sex. Straights were also part of the hookup culture. They were up in the club with prostitutes and everything but they weren't doing anal like gay people were.
Getting HIV from vaginal sex is incredibly hard. Had the gay community kept on their hookup culture but with no anal, they would have been fine. Straight man are just as promiscuous and nobody was using condoms back in the day.
17 friends out of 700 cases. This guy must know alot of people.
RIP Phil ❤
No surprise it was Phil Donahue who brought attention to this at a time when there was so much fear, prejudice, and ignorance. All three guys on the panel and that young activist were extremely brave.
When talk shows actually covered real subjects . They did not solve anything they were talking about but they got more people talking and sometimes changed the landscape......
During the time of this episode, in 11/17/1982, for this episode to be about AIDS, not HIV, means the victims in these early cases intially serio-converted with HIV in the early 1970s (1970-1974), in the United States.
Unfortunately, from the 1960s through the early 1970s, was the time period when communities in major cities (i.e. San Francisco, New York City, etc) in the United States, started HIV serio-convertions due to MSM unprotected anal sex or IV drug use.
If you do the math, the first group cases of AIDS was documented in the late 1970s (1977-1979) through the early 1980s (1980-1983). The incubation from intial HIV exposure without PEP to HIV infection, and years without taking HIV medications to the progress to AIDS is 10 to 15 years. So, unfortunately for those first large clusters of AIDS cases in the early 1980s, actually serio-converted HIV positive in the early 1970s. Essentially those who walked into age of free sex in 1970s was walking into death trap, without even knowing it. The "party" was over before it started.
Although, Robert Raymond (African-American Missouri teenager) was the victim of first confirmed case of HIV/AIDS in North America, who died on May 15, 1969 at the Barnes-Jewish Hospital, in St. Louis, Missouri, there were also two unusual deaths which doctors later reported in New York ( as well in the U.K), in 1959. Also, an additional case in the U.K. (David Carr) was believed to be HIV positive.
There is also a theory that the 1959 oral polio vaccination test by Hilary Korprowski in Africa (Congo and Lake Victoria region) may have accidentally cros contaminated with HIV. In fact, there were conference records, research papers, and even a quote from another scientist warning in 1959 that Koprowski' oral polio vaccine was contaminated with an "unknown monkey virus".
HIV-1 possibly crossed over to humans around 1908, at the time the Congo was a Belgian colony with devastating human rights abuses, and possibly some of the people of Congo engaging in the use of chimpanzee bushmeat.
Fast forward to the late 1970s, Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona, spent years tracking down blood samples taken prior to the key year of *1981* , the start of the HIV epidemic in North America, and tracked down pror-1981 blood samples. He found that those samples contaminated signs of HIV-1. He and his colleagues stumbled upon two Hepatitis B virus studies from *1978 to 1979* , with one sample in New York and one sample in San Francisco, collected from gay men, which those samples were found to be positive for HIV-1.
The virus that started the HIV epidemic in the United States may have moved from the Caribbean to the United States in the 1960s.
It's so interesting to watch this at this time in history knowing all we know now!
My God, if only the statistics had stayed that low. So many millions of sons daughters mothers fathers , children , friends, lovers…gone
5:53 I see what you mean. Donahue was at the vanguard in saying the word, AIDS, and opening a dialogue at the start of the epidemic. The statistics qualify the number of “REPORTED” cases meaning there were probably at least that number who may have been infected and didn’t know it or who were in deep denial.
RIP Phil Donahue.
Historical document about a tragedy that is still occurring.
1:37 - Died July 29, 1986
I remember those days. My best friend contracted hiv from her husband found out when she found out she was pregnant in 1998 . She was a long term survivor she passed due to cervical cancer in 2018 her husband is still with us. We have came so far that it isn't even considered a death sentence and on prep which is antivirals given to hiv patients you can't get hiv .
Sorry for your loss. Was her husband bi-sexual.
a bit of a dangerous, common misconception you have there - PrEP does not protect against HIV-2, only HIV-1 so one certainly can get HIV while on PrEP
PrEP stands for Pre Exposure Prophylactic. To prevent people from acquiring HIV
Do you have the Episode with Ryan White and Alyssa Milano??
Seems like Philip passed in 86.
I looked him up on Find A Grave. He died on July 29, 1986 and he is buried in Los Angeles. Donahue misspelled his first name on the tape; there is only one 'L" in Philip's name.
$84,99 for a Cuisinart in 1982? Wow expensive
Only person still living is the host.
😢 RIP Phil
But Larry Kramer lived to age 85 and died in 2020..he lived a long life. And Dan Williams died in 2008 at 62...going by that year it's likely he died of another non hiv cause. Poor Phil Manzaretta didnt make it though, he would died 3 1/2 years after this😢
I first heard about it in 1980 when I was attending NYU. It was first called GRID. It stood for Gay Related Immunity Disorder. What was kept hidden were all the African cases! These were overwhelmingly heterosexual and spread from mother to child in the womb and through breast milk! Throughout the 1980’s and into the 1990’s, I knew seven people who died of AIDS. Keep in mind I’m a straight woman, religious, conservative, not part of the gay community, IV drug users, Haitians, hemophiliacs, etc. My only connection was living in NYC, going to NYU, and dabbling in the arts, graphic art and theater, as hobbies. Of the seven people, six were gay men, one was an infant boy, abandoned in the hospital by his mother. What WAS the Kaposi’s connection? You no longer hear about it. It used to be the first tell-tale sign of having AIDS.
Good question. Kaposi Sarcoma is a cancer that is triggered by Herpes Virus 8. Herpes was spreading rampantly throughtout the gay communities during the 70s and early 80's. Most of the the early aids victims were very sexually active gay men who were exposed to this herpes virus. The African KS may have also been triggered by herpes virus 8. The KS in Africa is classified somewhat differently than the aggresive Aids triggered KS. Also there are the KS cases of men (heterosexual) from the Mediterranean. Elderly man who got the disease and usually lived with it. These were mild cases cases...again nothing like the striking aggressive KS Aids cases. You really do not see KS anyone. Gay men who are positive and taking the antivirals are well protected against life threatening diseases such as KS and PJP pneumonia.
The media often hides things that affect minority communities, Even today in 2022, over 50% of African American gay males are HIV positive.
It was an opportunistic cancer that took advantage of a weekend immune system.
My question is why no one talks about before 1980?
@@letitiapaige5177because we didn't know about it.
As an Australian 45 yr old gay man in 2023, I'm surprised how progressive attitudes were for 1982.
Phil D.: "... to diminish paranoia & misunderstanding." How prescient was he? I was in high school in the SF Bay Area in the 70s, my 20s in the 80s. AIDS terrified everyone & killed too many people I knew personally, even tho I wasn't in any kind of "community." Brave people like these speakers AND especially Phil Donahue for engaging in the conversation at all lifted the understanding in the U.S. & really the world.
It took years … YEARS … to identify the virus, because there were so little resources dedicated to this. Folks who witnessed the time it took to go from first cases to mass vaccination with Covid, imagine what it was like to live through what we went through with AIDS.
Phil is an icon.
Their fault, their problem? What a sad woman! Because of this type of person, the world is now (40 years later) a misery.
I was 16 when this came out, it made me take sex more cautiously.
Someone very dear to me just came out as gay. When I watch this now, my heart breaks. If these men are anything like my relative, my God, what precious souls we lost.
Gee, a rare moment when Kramer isn't yelling and cursing.
We may observ a sympton of the silence of the audience, during the early explanations; *fear.*
Any new disease brings it. And although it was called a “gay disease”, people knew something was wrong and it was not only that.
I was born in 84 and my parents always told me that in the first 3-5years of the disease, it seemed like a nuclear blast. Nobody knew nothing for sure, neither the causes or the consequences. It was a total nightmare.
I was born in '83 and thought it killed no more than a few hundred people around the world. Before RUclips became popular, I had no idea it nearly wiped out a whole generation.
@@ritemolawbks8012 Indeed. For many, it went blank.
Yes, it was! My dad was a physician md, and i remember his growing anxiety about it. And silence. So much silence. And silence is always = death...
Nuclear blast, yes. Well said.
If they would have known what devastation this disease would bring they would have acted faster and better!
At 47:01 the woman who said why wasn't a straight doctor on the show. She is in the Kramer documentary 2018 .
That’s a hell of a promo at 0:00 🤣
Lol. I thought so too.
Seeing the statistics makes me so sad, knowing it will get so much worse.
I'm 46 now and WOW I forgot how much HATE there was 😔😳🥺
The hate is still there; it’s just muted. Times change, people don’t.
I remember. It was awful. People fought to keep kids with AIDS like Ryan White out of schools...wouldn't let their kids play with them. I remember how stunning it was when Princess Diana wasn't afraid to hug AIDS patients
I've never understood the hate. It's a virus. A virus can't seek out a certain population. Anyone can get it. The hate is just so useless and unnecessary. People are people.
@@soft_serve_666 yours is the enlightened opinion. Even now there are many people both gay and straight who think that they are immune to HIV because they don't sleep around like "those" people. They forget it's not the amount of sex but what you do when having it.
"Still out there" lol. I don't know it left.
Man, the early 1980's ignorance of that female caller at 25:17.
I wonder why Channel 2 put the Barnaby Jones promo over the promotional consideration ads.
Notice the difference in commercials ?
I remember this time well. I was 22 years old. I'll never forget something from that time - a woman who was the guitar player in a band I played keyboard in was a homophobic, right wing, evangelical "Christian," who made her hideous feelings known when she told me that she believed that God created AIDS to punish gay people. It really made it difficult to work with her after learning how she felt about that, still claiming to be a Christian. This was in the 1980's, when her 3 sons were very young.
Over the years her oldest son and I became very close friends; he became a professional piano player and singer, and he considered me to be a mentor. Once he was an adult, we actually became close pals and confidantes; he'd grown up to be a wonderful, caring, charming, witty, and very talented gay man. {Karma?} When he first came out to his parents and grandparents, he was shunned by his family, so this was naturally a very painful time for him. I was so happy to become one of his many close and supportive friends. I still can't forget that very upsetting comment that his mother made nearly 40 years ago. Thankfully, over the years, minds were eventually changed in that family !
Interesting indeed to look back on where we were in 1982. We've come a long way in many respects, but in others we haven't changed much. We're still arguing about the same things and still marginalizing whole groups of people for no fault of their own.
I agree. Come a long way from back then. I learned of it early 90s.
So many could have been saved...
How when this was brand new at the time ?
I was 5 when this aired. I miss shows like this, that talked about serious issues. I remember hearing about AIDS as a kid, and it was considered a death sentence back then, still is, but HIV, the virus that causes it can be treated. It was something new, and fear was everywhere, ki d of like Covid was in 2020 and 2021. Now you don't hear about social distancing, touching surfaces, or even masks that much.
Keep in mind that it was called HTLVIII until 1986 when HIV was coined
At this point in time blood transfusions were also a pretty big source of HIV transmission. It was just not a "Gay Disease"
INTRAVENIUS DRUG USE WAS BIG TRANSMISSION IOF HIV.
Blood transfusions is the most rare way to get AIDS. AIDS is an STD like all the STDs and that's how you get it . And the second way to get it is from a needle.
Yes, with blood from gay men. But the VAST number of AIDS cases arose in the gay community.
The CDC (2015) reported that gay and bisexual men accounted for 82% (26,375) of HIV diagnoses among males and 67% of all diagnoses in the United States, while six percent (2,392) of HIV diagnoses were attributed to injection drug use (IDU) and another 3% (1,202) to male-to-male sexual contact plus IDU.
Phil is correct that Larry Kramer is taking a defensive posture.
Agreed.
Well that commercial when the video first comes on is very jarring
I have never used intravenous drugs, but still...
The caller was a Karen.
As hard as that was to hear , I guess it reflects a significant population then and possibly now
@@adrianhempfing2042 No matter how much AIDs education we learn there will always be ignorant Karens that are stick in their own beliefs.
True. Seemed it was a clear issue of 2 main things - a complex unknown virus and diseases , the other an issue about sexuality and discrimination
@@adrianhempfing2042 We had Aids education in High School in the 90's.Anyone could get it. Not just the gay community.
They were trying to say that a bit in the Donohue show but they were also saying it was mainly in the gay community
Never understood why everyone hated Donahue. He did a good job here
Everyone was crazy about Phil , best talk show host on tv. Not the hollywood garbage that was Oprah.
Who hated Donahue?
Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome
Wrong
Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome - Right
Um…no