Wanted to do something a little different! Should have released this on the 20th but had been a little busy! Honestly were releases a little faster (where's my Chaos GW??) I'd be happier but overall Fantasy is back and I am happy. Long may it last :) got a REALLY fun video coming out hopefully end of August it's going to document my descent into madness but it'll be fun!
The release schedule feels PAINFUL in how slow it is. Not to mention how there have been almost no articles on it since release. It's like GW themselves have forgotten about it...again. Despite demand from players for product. It does feel like they begrudgingly released this, and almost want it to fail again as an "I told you so" within head-office.
Agreed, yeah I get spacing out the models so that people buy each one but 6 months later we've hard Bretonnia, Tomb Kings.....only just showing Dwarfs? What about the rest?
@@LSTPcobra yeah, but in 40K/AoS, the other factions are still on sale in the meantime. They might not yet have a Codex / whatever updated to the new edition, but you can still buy the models if you want them. For TOW? Nope, not available... at all.
They held back everything for all the systems... 40k included... to focus attention and $ on the AoS release. They didn’t want anything to distract fans or redirect spending onto other products. Now that AoS 4th has been less than they hoped in terms of sales... you’re already seeing a flood of releases for the other systems, necromunda, Warcry. Old World, Imperial agents and Boarding Actions for 40k.
It's like they don't want our money. I waited for months to buy the magic cards, and finally, I gave up, downloaded alternatives, and spent less on a laminator than on the original GW pack. That's one customer gone. It's crazy; no other industry would let customers walk away with their credit cards untouched like that.
"no other industry would let customers walk away with their credit cards untouched like that" Oh, some Japanese companies in the entertainment industry are also like that. The actual Godzilla movie, Godzilla Minus One, which also got an oscar, was nowhere (legally) streamable for weeks despite the award winning (so demand was there!).
Release schedule is painfully slow. And we're going through the usual thing where a game comes out apparently intended to appeal to grognards and the GW shills say, "it's a new core game, equal to 40K and AoS!!!!", then six months later GW have forgotten about it and the GW shills say, "it was only ever a secondary game, of course it's not getting the same attention as 40K and AoS!!!!". Seen it all before, so many times.
I think part of the interest in it is that it won't have a grueling churn of new army books and editions to keep up with like 40k and sigmar. People do want the initial books and units though
now the new edition of AoS is out, hopefully we will see a bit more in a short space of time. that said I do think it's important to manage expectations - it's not going to take precedent over AoS or 40k. anything better than the 1st wave of the faction after dwarfs before the new year would be a good result.
This is exactly why I, as a prospective new player to Warhammer, did not invest in the Old World, despite the Old World being the most appealing to me. After looking at GW I knew they were going to slow release it to the point where is basically dies.
@@ClintOrris mate, you just said you "know" but also that you're new to the game. Crystal Ball isn't legal this edition! when you know, you know, I guess. we will see what actually happens in time =p
As a person heading into his forties with family commitments who plays maybe 5-6 games a year Ive realized that GW specialist games are my happy place. No longer do I have to spend two days relearning how to play an army each time because of constant tournament centric points and rules updates. No longer will a codex be out of date in 6 months. I've come back to the place I began my Warhammer journey at, 25 years ago.
I'm 44 and in the same spot. As you, 4 games in a year with my old friends is something to be grateful. Now I only paint while hearing podcasts and I don't care about the rules. I just want to collect and paint an army. I don't want to relearn rules every 3 months. Specialist and old games like necromunda or older editions of Warhammer are our happy place.
Same, I can now buy anything I want when it's released and I prefer slower releases. I'd like a bot more stock though! I was flying during the Dwarf release and by the time I got to the other side of the world all the things I wanted were sold out.
If GW want us to play this game, then they need to give us more. I am waiting for Chaos Warriors and High Elves. I think it was cool that GW released Tomb Kings and Bretonia first.
It seemed like a belated apology for their being poorly supported before getting dropped going into AoS. From my experience much of the most bitter ex-players were Tomb Kings & Bretonian mains.
4 releases in 6 months is pretty quick. Even if we ignore the release armies its on per quarter. And we got what? 5 left. So if they keep this up, late next year all will be released.
I am pretty happy, that we are a specialist game. No constant fomo, less hassle with constant rule "updates" etc. Feels like we can enjoy our hobby at a slow but steady pace.
Yeah, happy to not have to buy a new Codex for each of my armies every seven months... but... a lot less happy not to be able to buy any models for five out of my six armies. Kinda puts a dampener on the excitement.
@@Stonehorn maybe because they have almost no new models to design, they're only going to do about half the factions that used to be in this VERY NOT NEW game anyway, and of the ones they are doing, two-thirds of players had zero models available to buy for their armies until this weekend just gone (now "only" more than half)? Maybe that's why? It's glacial pace.
@@BittermanAndy pretending that the time and labour required to put out 9 armies doesn’t exist sure is something. This is the fastest they have ever released an edition, and they are doing it with full releases for every army. Not just a couple of models, literally whole ranges. While also releasing for every other game they have. Expecting it to release faster completely ignores the whole history of GW, as well as a misunderstanding of the work it takes to get it out.
I'm loving old world. Coming from 40k it's taken over as my main game. My local game club is currently doing a campaign that I'm taking my bretonnians to
One thing that's been terrible about the release is communication. I wish they could come out clearly and say what their plans are, how things will play out, what they're keeping an eye out for to make potential changes, when to expect news and how happy they are with the release (or not).
Communication for TOW, in general, has been terrible. Remember "hey, aren't Cathay and Kislev cool? Btw we cut out half the faction"? Press releases have typically been few and far between with pretty nebulous information. Like, the orcs and goblins dropped, then there was basically total radio silence until the dwarfs were about to drop months later. I think most people would be happy with a rough roadmap of TOWs future, but GW can't be bothered to order some intern to slap one together in an hour or two and throw it up online.
Finally, someone else who has noticed this! Yes, this is infuriating - GW (not just McNeill) giving it the whole "oh, we had to set it in 2276 IC to tell the story we wanted to tell" schtick, then FORGETTING THAT SETTRA WASN'T AROUND IN 2276 IC and making him and his invasion of the Border Princes the major story point of the new timeline! Just so frustrating.
@@BittermanAndyespecially with how they could have just done some”timelines diverged from storm of chaos and end times” stuff and kept it in the current era. Gw *loves* to twist the lore to make money so I don’t see why they didn’t…
my big nag are that there's only really two demographics that have access to this game. Those that still have warhammer fantasy armies, and those that are willing to use alternative miniatures(like say 3d printing).
Butchering the lore, or having lack-luster writers, may not be a disaster but it has deflated my enthusiasm. On the other hand, I'm not trying to focus on those negative parts. I'm happily making additions to my old Tomb Kings army as we speak. I still have my old books as well. Now back to building Tomb Guards. :)
I'm reading the new lore because not all of it is terrible, but in my head my games are still set in the original timeline with the lore that I liked and that (mostly) made sense.
@@The_Captain40k I'm being a bit hyperbolic for effect. Most of the lore in the rulebooks is fine, but the new novel on the other hand is very disappointing. I still like this re-release of Fantasy as a whole, though.
It has been 10 years, sadly Nathan,😅. 2014, the Warhammer Fantasy World died, and Age of Sigmar's bastard 1st edition was there. I like both settings but 10 years....
I'm astounded that people thought TOW is a main studio game. This first edition is going to last 6 to 10 years. It's a Horus Heresy for Fantasy. Story doesn't mean legacy becomes core either, Daemons of the Ruinstorm in HH is a Legacy Faction despite the presence of daemons during that era.
Interesting that you mention "Horus Heresy for Fantasy" to explain how it's not a main studio game, when GW's own financial report listed HH as a main studio game alongside 40K and AoS. Then look what happened to HH...
@@BittermanAndy GW has two studios. There is main studio and specialist design studio. Main studio is AoS, Warcry, 40k, Kill Team, and Underworlds. Specialist Studio is Horus Heresy, Necromunda, TOW, Blood Bowl, and Legions Imperialis. You can tell which studio is which based on the book format and rule writing.
@@mogwaiman6048 I am very well aware of that, thank you, but it doesn't have any relevance to what I said, does it? GW claimed in their own financial report that HH was on the same footing as 40K and AoS. Take it up with them.
@@BittermanAndy i'm talking about how the games are managed. TOW is going to have a drip feed release schedule like the rest of the specialist studio does. This game will never have a main studio cycle.
My experience has been mixed but overall good. The Long and short of it is I bought an Ebay greenskin rescue horde, back in early october. Between now and then I've been trying to get my 40k army table top ready, but have been taking breaks to work on some Old World. I currently have a few hundred points in night goblins ready, and putting my full attention into my horde. My biggest issue has been finding a local community and getting things while they are in stock I didnt get a chance to pick up the Ravenous Hordes book until last month, just because its been sold out at all my local game stores. Not to mention how hard it has been to order and find stuff on the GW website, they fact it seems they only took orders for the stone troll recast for a week seems insane.
Awesome release dont mind it being released a bit slower as ive currently just started making a gaming board which will hopefully resemble the old world map and then try and place all armies geographically correct
I’ve been happily building and painting and just recently got my first game of fantasy in. I was too late in 8th edition to play fantasy so I’ve been loving the opportunity to collect fantasy. It’s become my main game line even though I don’t play much I’d like to have several armies to work on and get the occasional game in. I do hope they support it for a long time to come but GW doesn’t make decisions for the fans. They make them for investors so I won’t be surprised at any decision they make. I’m just happy to be along for this ride.
They put very little effort into this release. They just tossed out a bunch of old sculpts in boxes with some new rules and expected people to jump on them. They didn't do any resculpts, there's only a few actually new models, the release schedule has been awfully slow, and they won't be adding Kislev, Cathay, or any other new faction. They're basically trying to maximize their profit while putting forth the smallest amount of effort they thought they could get away with. Old World had some potential, but GW has grossly mishandled its launch.
My problem with this is that GW removed most of the High Elf/Wood Elf/Empire/Warriors of Chaos minis from the store (which most were still buyable until the cities of Sigmar got their big stuff last year)… When they could have just switched to the old world factions so we could play them even if they planned to give them new minis later down the line. Forgot the dwarfs stuff but now it’s back. Also, regarding availabilities and release, I get what they tried to do but that also just make the problem even worse. Where since people wait a long time, they will jump on the offer as soon as they can, which lead to more out of order stuff
Part of it stems from the weird move to separate WFB/Old World and AoS in identity and trademark. It's the same reason suspected to explain why CA has omitted certain units/characters from Total Warhammer.
@@giantnerd14 while I get the whole « trying to separate both ». They could have just moved them from the AoS shop to put them in the Old world shop… The whole cities of Sigmar roster was until recently units we know are gonna be in the old world rosters (the dwarfs are a great example). I get trying to separate them but it’s still weird for me to see them take them out for a release, just to put them back way later for that same release.
@@slaaneshshewhothirst9136 I'm not saying it's right, just that's what's happening. I think they could have saved a lot of production budget & time if they kept making units that are for both settings like daemons always have been.
@@giantnerd14 yeah I get it, tbh the cities of Sigmar should have kept the old units as part of their core (like the Dark Elf units are). I get why some factions can’t fit in both but removing the old units from the AoS shop without putting them in the old world shop was kinda bad.
@@giantnerd14 Whom have they omitted?? The game is still in development, and AoS design stuff like Thanquol, Nagash, etc is still expected to come. They went with the modern, late WHFB designs for the Chaos Demons, that you still find in AoS as well.
I think it all stems from the fact that GW did not expect it to be such a big hit. Given the AOS 4th, it was inevitable that we could not focus on OW. We will take our time and enjoy it, even if the release rate is slow.
I was really looking forward to this and couldn’t wait for an updated fantasy game with new models. The rules are decent but the re release of just old models kinda killed my enthusiasm for it. Until I bought a printer and now I’ve got 4 armies and working on my 5th and I’m loving it. Not being able get the faction cards beyond release week is a bit rubbish too.
As a new player who wouldn’t have tried the Old World without playing Total War Warhammer first the game has lived up to my expectations in terms of gameplay. The release schedule and stock issues threw me off though. I’m happy to play it at my local game store though and we have a decent group.
While I do lament the slow pace of army releases so far I believe it will not be as slow in the future. Most specialist games such as Kill team, Warcry, Underworlds and Horus Hersey have seemed to go on a pause with the release of Age of Sigmar 4th edition. I imagine after the dust settles we will be back to regular updates for these games.
I want my beastie boys. My good old Beastmen!! Oh I miss losing on the tabletop 80% of the time. But we always gave them hell!! (Nahh I just had fun... 😂)
My assumption has always been that this is a Specialist Games-level project. They wanted to see if all the demands for WFB were real or just grumbling without needing to dedicate a full line release level of staff and resources. Then with no promises up front they could either ramp up development if people actually bought in or quietly end it as a one-off if a player base never materialized. I never played WFB before it was shut down, but I did buy a copy of the core book from my FLGS to check this out. The first thing that struck me was how much it reminded me of the 3rd Ed 40k book (which is where I started with Warhammer). A massive tome with the entire game rules, lore, and army lists in one. And as a bonus this has an index, which was painfully missing from 3rd ed.
After Lords of the Lance I'm genuinely fearful of new Fantasy books. On top of having a bunch of its writing decisions clearly being driven by external politics, the book itself was confused and had no idea who exactly it was for (old blood will hate it and new blood will be confused by it). If this is the standard being set for Old World novels going forward than Id just rather not have them at all - for the sake of damage mitigation, if nothing else.
For my part, none of the armies I'm really interested in has been (re-?)released yet. And when the prices are this high for an army, I would rather spend the money on 40k models I want rather than old world models I'm only mildly interested in. Maybe when the lizardmen stop staring at their plaques and come out to play.
Don't know how common they made female knights, but in the old lore it could happen very rarely, but it happened. Happy I have Repanses model, as I think it is a beautiful one.
Currently collecting samurai models from fireforge miniatures and running them as empire or high elves. Each box i get 24 models, and it's only 22 pounds. They have medieval and English civil war models, too. All in plastics and all really great details. Dont buy from gw until they are being priced down.
As a potential new player i was really looking forward to some of the factions they haven't released yet. Waiting so long is trying my patience and I'll probably just end up losing my excitement by the time they finally release any elves.
I expect people are more upset about female knights because its seen as for ideological reasons, rather than for storytelling reasons or a mistake - especially if people had missed that lore introduction two decades ago.
Yet female knights were a thing since 2006 or so. If they are getting mad at a lore change close to 20 years later that's on them isn't it? I'd be more pissed at them forgetting important stuff about the King of Kings than that tbh
I got some of the new Orcs but honestly I want to wait for all the factions to drop before I really commit. I want at least two 2000 point armies, so when friends visit we can play games.
Agreed - the new lore is interesting but very very sparse - the Arcane Journals are sadly terrible for this. On subfactions - 40k Marine Chapters are very similar - only those with massive flandersation have major differences and thats nothing compared to Imperial Guard regiments differences or the difference between say a Cult of Ulric army and an army from Nuln....
Minis bother me, to few new ones and the new ones we get is all "out of stock" constantly wich is so damn annoying trying to build u army. Dwarf mountain Holds I have nothing of yet not even the Books. in sweden I dont see ANY increased stock on Dwarfs, not the new stuff atleast sadly. I wont play until i get my army sorted so will be some time before I do my first games, still hyped tho and love the old fantasy stuff back so dont get me wrong. just wished it went faster and not half-a''ed by GW
You can in some cases. You just have to make sure to buy square bases separately, or get base-converters. It's extra work. Another problem is that some AoS models aren't designed to be ranked up. But if you know what you are doing you can make it work.
Exactly. And vice versa. I have a huge AoS collection of several hundred models across all the factions. I love Bretonnia and Tomb Kings are pretty cool aswell. But I like skirmish rules of Age of Sigmar more. They are more compeling and most importantly, easier to learn friends, then rank and file style of the Old World. If I would decide to buy Bretonnia, I would have no use for them in battle, as they would be incompatible with my collection. There are no AoS rules for them and it is only because Games Workshop is greedy and wants me to start from scratch.
I was pretty hyped up for this for all those years it has been teased. But then I learned, that Old World models would be purposfully incompatible with Age of Sigmar rules, so I wouldn't be able to battle Old World models with my huge Age of Sigmar collection models. I would have to start completely from scratch If I would like to play some matched games. The fact, that the models, they released in starter boxes were all 20 years old, but had "new and costly" price tags attached to them didn't help either. Basicly I lost all the hype for this game at the moment it actually released and at the end I decided not to invest money into it. :/
How are they “incompatible?” A majority of them were for sale in aos for awhile (hell even dwarf warriors were boxed in aos boxes at one point AND GREENSKINS TOO THEY HAD THEIR OWN START COLLECTING BOX BEFORE BEING AXED) If you’re playing orcs (not calling it orruks) you can but the box of black orcs which was for sale in 2023 for AOS. Except now you get 20 for slightly cheaper compared to 10 in AOS
I know that they've announced some time ago that Grand Cathay will not be coming to Old World, however I really can't help but feel they've missed the mark there. There's been such a big desire for Nippon, Grand Cathay and Ind to join the fray. Especially after TW: Warhammer 3. I played 40k many years ago, and it was only because of TW:Warhammer did I start coming back to the franchise. Shame no current OW faction really tickles my fancy.. so I guess I'll look at AoS, if anything now.
I entered the hobby near the begining of 8th ed of 40k (DG player) and so I'm used to a certain level of quality that the old-heads never had. I've got over 1,000 hours in the TWW series, fast approaching 2,000. A buddy and I would without hesitation retire from 40k, but we are completely turned off since 95% of the models are almost as old as we are, if not older.
20 years since the last bretonnia release. Lord's of the Lance sucked the review cannot be scathing enough. Poor characters, lore breaking, and some really basic mistakes for instance they refer to the king as loeun leonceuor rather then orc slayer.
I’m mostly disappointed by the lack of wood elf models. Sure we can get the treeman and dryads from AoS but in terms of actual elves, there’s 1. And she’s stuck in £100 box set mostly devoted to soulblight. I managed to kitbash undead wood elves when the shadow warrior kit was still out but now that’s gone as well.
For me, The Old World is a complete stillbirth. All of my factions are legacy factions that will not be released and the "new armies" have basically been cancelled. I don't have much hope in the long term that after the release of the 9 core factions, TOW will only get a few miniature releases 1-2 times a year and a campaign book like the Middlearth Strategy Battle Game does.
I think that the game is great and is thriving. It definitely is doing far better than GW expected. Part of me wants to put on a tinfoil hat and spout off some dumb but somewhat fun and cathartic conspiracy that has a 1% chance of being true but I won’t lol
While I'm all for armies getting several arcane journals with more content I would be both disappointed and surprised if they didn't start releasing legacy factions before that.
I'm blaming the release schedule on every game fighting over the real limited amount of factories. AOS 4.0, Kill Team, the 40k battleforce boxes with every codex. Just so little time and too many people arguing to marketing that they will sell more stuff. Glad there's that new factory in the works
People are whining in the comments about the release schedule like this is not COMPLETELY normal across even 40K and AoS. Do you think the main game factions get updates every week? It's delusional
The issue with the dwarfs is that two of the most useful things don’t have models available. Being gyrocopters (this might just be a stock issue as they were available and are in the starter set) and rangers. I don’t remember them ever making rangers models since metal Bugmans for Dogs of War in the 90’s.
@@DonKarlioniif you’re buying the battalion you’ll be able to get two gyros, two units of warriors (or long beards if you use the great weapons) but if you keep the great weapons you can stick them onto the two quarreller kits that come with it to make rangers.
From a design approach I'm in looove with TOW. I allways held the strong conviction that GW's "no rules for stuff we're not selling" was the single worst thing that ever happened to the hobby. Seeing TOW wriers actively reject that design philosophy has killed what little enthusiasm I had left for 40k. Black Orc chariots, Engeneer battle standard bearers, Border Prince Brigands with blunderbusses - you want an Empire general on a Demigryph with a long bow? A Damsel on Pegasus swinging an enchanted battle axe? A Dragon Ogre Shaggoth with a third arm launching throwing spears? There are endless options encouraging conversions, kitbashes, narrative plays. In the meanwhile I cant put a powerklaw on the latest 40k warboss because GW didnt include it on the model. Great. If being a treated as a specialist game is the prize we gotta pay for having rules with depth and unit entries with options,then thats allright with me.
None of the factions that I like have been released yet, and most of my favourites are legacy factions, so overall The Old World has been really disappointing to me.
My local FLGS has said sales are pretty stagnant. They stock TOW and want to continue stocking it… but when I was chatting to them about how the game was doing, the gist was “very few people under the age of 40 give a crap about it”.
It'll fail for the same reasons WHFB failed. The universe is underdeveloped, because its initial creators were unable to fill it with anything without racial stereotypes. You think, "Hey cool, Warhammer. It's like a dark Warcraft, I've heard. Cool." Then you look at the map and it reads "Here be Lizardmen", for two entire continents, and the rest of them either reads "bad guys" or "footnote", while you can hide the actually fleshed out part of the world with your thumb. Okay, I forgot the Elf donut. Two thumbs. It's much less appealing in depth than upfront. Now they have to remake the old roster, then would have to expand and fix the boring and empty world of WHFB. Doesn't seem possible, outside of Blood Bowl.
@@madness9651fantasy is anything *but* boring, you just don’t know the lore. If you read greasus goldtooth’s wiki alone you’ll find more lore and story than all of aos 1st edition 😂
It has a ruleset that won't appeal to most new wargamers. There are also a myriad of generic fantasy options available via other producers and 3d printing. Lastly, there are other rank and flank games with modernized rules and newer miniatures such as Conquest.
@@reno239 I have been involved with the lore for two decades and can tell you its crap. Empty world, monotonous character stories, wrong setup (grimdark is great for dystopia, but for fantasy it is shit).
@@madness9651 so wrong, it was the most widely-played wargame in the world for 20 years, and second-most for another 10 years after that. Just so, so wrong.
I was interested getting into this but local GW store were nervous about it being DOA It looks like that hasn’t been the case. Regarding models, do you think full armies will have new models, like for example, Bretonia still uses old archers, will those get a refresh?
The only reason why one would buy those boxes if for 3D scanning the sprues and 3D print them again. There is absolutely nothing that justify those prices considering how cheap the process for making those miniatures has become.
The new resin models have never come back in stock for any faction in the US. Highly annoying. I’ve had to check the site multiple times daily for the past six months just to be able to get most of the 20+ yr old Bretonnia models because the back in stock update sometimes never comes.
@@mogwaiman6048 Just get circular base trays and put them in formation. Easy. You wont need to do any work, just need movement trays where you can place them.
I'd say no due to a painfully slow faction rollout and a real lack of new/refreshed kits. The prices are also insane, I'm not paying £50 for three metal Ushabti that are older than me!
Pretty much dead where i am , releases was way to slow and the whole legends armies which was the most popular actually just put alot of my club members off .
If you play Tomb Kings, Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Orcs, Empire, Chaos Warriors, Beastmen, Wood or High Elves, it's a great game system with crappy lore changes. If you play anything else, it's just "lmao get fucked"
Clanrats and saurus mainly as they’d make up a major chunk of both armies. You should use monsters for both sides and definitely add a few of the Skaven’s war machines. Watch the prophet and the warlock trailer and the skaven trailer cuz both show sksaven and lizardmen fighting.
@@reno239 i understand what the conflict would look like. Clanrats, skaven slaves and storm vermin on one side, skinks, saurus, kroxigors etc on the other. I'm largely asking about good specific models, like cool characters or monsters
Honestly, all the work that TWW3 and Vermintide did to make me want to get into Warhammer, the Endtimes and slow pace of Old World Release made me not. Plus the prices didn't help lol.
I've given up with it. I was hoping for cool refreshes like settra getting a new mini and more new minis made of plastic. Don't even get me started on the price of the ushabti and the legacy race nonesense. I've not bought a single thing. I just wanted to paint up some cool characters from whfb without them being ugly af old minis that I could buy on ebay cheaper before old world came out
I have to say from my perspective the models for the most part are just a huge dealbreaker. I don't have the nostalgia for these old minis (since I only got interested in WH with Total War) and to me a loto of them just dont look nice. It really feels like Old World was not made to hook new people (which is quite a shame), atleast it didnt work for me.
I want to love the gameplay, and it feels great at parts, but I cannot get past how unfun magic feels. It’s nothing but a roll-off between level 4s with infinite dispels. Would love a different perspective as to why it’s actually good or passable.
I'm not sure I can make the case for why magic is "good" in TOW, but it's a lot less broken than the worst excesses of some previous editions. At least in TOW you can't have Vampire Count armies that have tripled in size by turn three, or one spell that kills half the enemy army. Granted, every army effectively has to bring a level 4, and it becomes a roll-off between them... in some previous editions you either brought multiple level 4s and as many level 2s as you could manage, or no magic at all. Anything in between was a waste of points. Again, not saying TOW magic is good, but players who've been around for a few editions have seen magic be *terrible*. I'll take "not good" if those are the options.
@@BittermanAndy I guess it is “better” to have it be boring than to lose entire units from it. Though there are still some combos that just absolutely pull whole units.
I mean, you can buy more than one box. (Might still be too expensive, but at least you've got that choice). Better than putting plastic Black Orcs in boxes of 20, when units of 10 are perfectly viable.
@@BittermanAndy infantry blocks of 20 sound more viable than 10 tbh. Especially with how effective dragons have been. And Bret cavalry. You’d need a large enough block to survive the initial charge and hit back. Cost-wise, a box of 5 imperial dwarfs is 52 USD. If you want a command squad attached that’s a further 47 USD for four models. A box of 20 black orcs is 85 USD. However, those are plastic. A more apt comparison would be the big’uns, which are also metal. Those are 5 for 52 USD, 3 command for 35 USD. So perhaps my critique is that metal is way too expensive. And that’s unfortunate because there are some really fun models that are only metal.
Still not over GW charging £50 for the same TK chariot kit that cost £15 back in the day, not doubling the number of models either like they did with the skelly warriors which at least gives some excuse for the price.
eh.... I really dont like how "nostalgia" has become a insult/critical term in the gaming context lately. meanwhile it's perfectly fine to like old cars, or movies, or classical cooking (e.g. traditional fine dining), or old music, or books. why is it somehow something you almost need to apologise for when it's models, but not these other catagories? are the new star wars movies better than the old ones, simply becuase they're more recent, and the old ones are past some sort of made up sell buy date? virtually no one thinks that. as to whether the old models or the new ones are better, it's hard to say. I do think these 6th edition plastics lack the character of the old metals sculpted in green stuff, while also lacking the posiing options and crisp detail of newer models.... but if you compare the new models with the old metals, theres a shift in asthetic which makes it difficult to compare e.g. high vs low fantasy. they're not actually the same thing. most likely though if they made a whole new range of new sculpts for all the old stuff, I'd concede that they'd be better..... but it's pretty obvious why that's not happening (it would be so much money and time to produce - maybe eventually, though.) at the end of the day, though, it's subjective for the most part. so often the term "nostalgia" is used more as a justification for people who arent going to play, for why they're not going to play. whats wrong with just saying "I dont want to spend the time or the money" and leaving other people to do whatever they want? why do people feel the need to justify this stuff in the first place!? crazy. it genuinely annoys me a little every time I hear the word now.
I think the fairly lackluster launch of AoS 4th makes it more likely that we’ll see factions like Lizardmen and Skaven being ported back into Old World.
I feel bad for the AOS fans I think GW did damage to itself there by scrapping so many of the Stormcast only to have them replaced by a completely new wave
Horrible written rules. Taken the worst parts of last 3 warhammer editions and mashed it together. Selling 15+ year old models for premium prices. Nearly no support for the game. In the basic boxes who are ok priced mostly useless stuff if you are able to read rules.
I don't mind them choosing an older setting so they have more freedom to tell new stories and introduce new models...if they actually do that. So far, it's been very slow.
Took me 6 months to get my Bretonnia collection. Because it took 6 months for them to have questing knights and grail knights back in stock briefly. Still waiting on my made to order models from back in February. It’s annoying that the resin characters are so hard to get in the states, as one of the few completely new sculpts that players of warhammer fantasy battles would not have.
Lords of the lance is such a terrible book terrible characters boring plot, I'm sticking to the older lore.. The old world is a thing for tabletop players because as someone who only enjoys the books and the lore I'm very let down by the old world, it seems like a downgrade in terms of lore and stories. This just makes me want to read OG fantasy which feels better.. I don't think GW will recreate what made fantasy cool again.
I'm more annoyed about how they changed Malakai Makaisson to be a fake and a fraud who didn't invent shit, it's such a bad way to shit on old characters.
@@spnked9516 Yeah that article where they straight up amitted "they must be totally evil because they're undead, right?" and just made them generic evil conqueror #14 was just... urgh.
@@Retrosicotte that blew my mind initially. Settra started out as just that, but he was changed later to not just wholly be a self-obsessed megalomaniac because nobody thought it was interesting. GW basically went "yeah, it's totally a good idea to revert this character back to his less popular incarnation. That won't piss anyone off or damage the characters likability".
@@mogwaiman6048 That's a queer man dressed up as the banner of the Lady of the Lake he is carrying, probably out of religious reasons. While the face and headgear are effeminate, the body shape is clearly male. It is a very Warhammer design.
"I don't see why new players wouldn't come in" As someone who was hyped by it and thought about trying out this whole hobby of painting armies and playing with my creations, the fact that the skavens are not part of the main roster (yes, they're getting new units for AoS, I'm aware, but they won't get new rathling guns models for example, since it's been replaced by a vehicle thingy) and that all boxes are made up of 99% of 20+ yo old models + where are kislev and cathay?... If I decide to take the plunge, it'll be through 3D printing and nothing else, GW doesn't deserve a penny for this lazy flaccid release. I'm sorry to say that as I know how many people love it, especially GBOG himself but it's my honest thoughts on the subject. i wouldn't be against starting with old ass models if the price was half of what it currently is, but this is ridiculous...
Wanted to do something a little different! Should have released this on the 20th but had been a little busy!
Honestly were releases a little faster (where's my Chaos GW??) I'd be happier but overall Fantasy is back and I am happy. Long may it last :) got a REALLY fun video coming out hopefully end of August it's going to document my descent into madness but it'll be fun!
Bruh, Slaneesh needs some love. The roster is incomplete. In my opinion. (TW3)
The release schedule feels PAINFUL in how slow it is. Not to mention how there have been almost no articles on it since release. It's like GW themselves have forgotten about it...again. Despite demand from players for product.
It does feel like they begrudgingly released this, and almost want it to fail again as an "I told you so" within head-office.
Agreed, yeah I get spacing out the models so that people buy each one but 6 months later we've hard Bretonnia, Tomb Kings.....only just showing Dwarfs? What about the rest?
@@Esure101 And Orcs. 4 factions in 6 months is a normal pace compared to 40k and Sigmar.
@@LSTPcobra yeah, but in 40K/AoS, the other factions are still on sale in the meantime. They might not yet have a Codex / whatever updated to the new edition, but you can still buy the models if you want them. For TOW? Nope, not available... at all.
They held back everything for all the systems... 40k included... to focus attention and $ on the AoS release. They didn’t want anything to distract fans or redirect spending onto other products. Now that AoS 4th has been less than they hoped in terms of sales... you’re already seeing a flood of releases for the other systems, necromunda, Warcry. Old World, Imperial agents and Boarding Actions for 40k.
@@earnestwanderer2471Where is the evidence that AoS 4ed isn’t selling well?
It's like they don't want our money. I waited for months to buy the magic cards, and finally, I gave up, downloaded alternatives, and spent less on a laminator than on the original GW pack. That's one customer gone. It's crazy; no other industry would let customers walk away with their credit cards untouched like that.
...and yes, we desperately need more lore and books for OW 😄
I am sure scalpers will be blamed.
I have searched for the alternative cards to download, but alas I couldn’t find them.
I’m bummed about missing out on the Bret Cards, wish they would just print more so every customer can get theirs or do them on a made to order basis
"no other industry would let customers walk away with their credit cards untouched like that"
Oh, some Japanese companies in the entertainment industry are also like that. The actual Godzilla movie, Godzilla Minus One, which also got an oscar, was nowhere (legally) streamable for weeks despite the award winning (so demand was there!).
Release schedule is painfully slow. And we're going through the usual thing where a game comes out apparently intended to appeal to grognards and the GW shills say, "it's a new core game, equal to 40K and AoS!!!!", then six months later GW have forgotten about it and the GW shills say, "it was only ever a secondary game, of course it's not getting the same attention as 40K and AoS!!!!". Seen it all before, so many times.
I think part of the interest in it is that it won't have a grueling churn of new army books and editions to keep up with like 40k and sigmar.
People do want the initial books and units though
now the new edition of AoS is out, hopefully we will see a bit more in a short space of time. that said I do think it's important to manage expectations - it's not going to take precedent over AoS or 40k. anything better than the 1st wave of the faction after dwarfs before the new year would be a good result.
This is exactly why I, as a prospective new player to Warhammer, did not invest in the Old World, despite the Old World being the most appealing to me. After looking at GW I knew they were going to slow release it to the point where is basically dies.
@@ClintOrris mate, you just said you "know" but also that you're new to the game. Crystal Ball isn't legal this edition! when you know, you know, I guess. we will see what actually happens in time =p
@@ClintOrrisplay what you want. Mordheim hasn’t been updated in decades and still has a passionate and thriving community.
As a person heading into his forties with family commitments who plays maybe 5-6 games a year Ive realized that GW specialist games are my happy place. No longer do I have to spend two days relearning how to play an army each time because of constant tournament centric points and rules updates. No longer will a codex be out of date in 6 months.
I've come back to the place I began my Warhammer journey at, 25 years ago.
I'm 44 and in the same spot. As you, 4 games in a year with my old friends is something to be grateful. Now I only paint while hearing podcasts and I don't care about the rules. I just want to collect and paint an army. I don't want to relearn rules every 3 months. Specialist and old games like necromunda or older editions of Warhammer are our happy place.
This is the biggest reason to play specialist studio games imo.
Same, I can now buy anything I want when it's released and I prefer slower releases. I'd like a bot more stock though! I was flying during the Dwarf release and by the time I got to the other side of the world all the things I wanted were sold out.
If GW want us to play this game, then they need to give us more. I am waiting for Chaos Warriors and High Elves.
I think it was cool that GW released Tomb Kings and Bretonia first.
It seemed like a belated apology for their being poorly supported before getting dropped going into AoS. From my experience much of the most bitter ex-players were Tomb Kings & Bretonian mains.
It's ironical that the new Blood Bowl fleshed out the Old World faster than The Old World did.
It's a slow grow project. People need to stop expecting main studio treatment.
4 releases in 6 months is pretty quick. Even if we ignore the release armies its on per quarter. And we got what? 5 left. So if they keep this up, late next year all will be released.
I am pretty happy, that we are a specialist game. No constant fomo, less hassle with constant rule "updates" etc. Feels like we can enjoy our hobby at a slow but steady pace.
Yeah, happy to not have to buy a new Codex for each of my armies every seven months... but... a lot less happy not to be able to buy any models for five out of my six armies. Kinda puts a dampener on the excitement.
@@BittermanAndyI mean, I don’t know why people expected it to release faster. This is the fastest I’ve ever seen GW release stuff for a new game
@@Stonehorn maybe because they have almost no new models to design, they're only going to do about half the factions that used to be in this VERY NOT NEW game anyway, and of the ones they are doing, two-thirds of players had zero models available to buy for their armies until this weekend just gone (now "only" more than half)? Maybe that's why? It's glacial pace.
@@BittermanAndy pretending that the time and labour required to put out 9 armies doesn’t exist sure is something.
This is the fastest they have ever released an edition, and they are doing it with full releases for every army. Not just a couple of models, literally whole ranges. While also releasing for every other game they have.
Expecting it to release faster completely ignores the whole history of GW, as well as a misunderstanding of the work it takes to get it out.
@@Stonehorn its not a new game
I'm loving old world. Coming from 40k it's taken over as my main game. My local game club is currently doing a campaign that I'm taking my bretonnians to
One thing that's been terrible about the release is communication. I wish they could come out clearly and say what their plans are, how things will play out, what they're keeping an eye out for to make potential changes, when to expect news and how happy they are with the release (or not).
Communication for TOW, in general, has been terrible. Remember "hey, aren't Cathay and Kislev cool? Btw we cut out half the faction"?
Press releases have typically been few and far between with pretty nebulous information. Like, the orcs and goblins dropped, then there was basically total radio silence until the dwarfs were about to drop months later.
I think most people would be happy with a rough roadmap of TOWs future, but GW can't be bothered to order some intern to slap one together in an hour or two and throw it up online.
The release speed has been abysmal
Warp speed compared to warhammer fantasy
Welcome to the specialist studio.
Settra was technically dead at this time (killed by a Norscan raid). He’s going on his revenge tour. Graham McNeil forgetting this bugs me
Finally, someone else who has noticed this! Yes, this is infuriating - GW (not just McNeill) giving it the whole "oh, we had to set it in 2276 IC to tell the story we wanted to tell" schtick, then FORGETTING THAT SETTRA WASN'T AROUND IN 2276 IC and making him and his invasion of the Border Princes the major story point of the new timeline! Just so frustrating.
@@BittermanAndyespecially with how they could have just done some”timelines diverged from storm of chaos and end times” stuff and kept it in the current era. Gw *loves* to twist the lore to make money so I don’t see why they didn’t…
my big nag are that there's only really two demographics that have access to this game. Those that still have warhammer fantasy armies, and those that are willing to use alternative miniatures(like say 3d printing).
Butchering the lore, or having lack-luster writers, may not be a disaster but it has deflated my enthusiasm. On the other hand, I'm not trying to focus on those negative parts. I'm happily making additions to my old Tomb Kings army as we speak. I still have my old books as well. Now back to building Tomb Guards. :)
I'm reading the new lore because not all of it is terrible, but in my head my games are still set in the original timeline with the lore that I liked and that (mostly) made sense.
How has the lore been butchered? I’ve read all the journals and enjoyed them so far
@@The_Captain40k I'm being a bit hyperbolic for effect. Most of the lore in the rulebooks is fine, but the new novel on the other hand is very disappointing. I still like this re-release of Fantasy as a whole, though.
It has been 10 years, sadly Nathan,😅. 2014, the Warhammer Fantasy World died, and Age of Sigmar's bastard 1st edition was there.
I like both settings but 10 years....
I'm astounded that people thought TOW is a main studio game. This first edition is going to last 6 to 10 years. It's a Horus Heresy for Fantasy. Story doesn't mean legacy becomes core either, Daemons of the Ruinstorm in HH is a Legacy Faction despite the presence of daemons during that era.
Interesting that you mention "Horus Heresy for Fantasy" to explain how it's not a main studio game, when GW's own financial report listed HH as a main studio game alongside 40K and AoS. Then look what happened to HH...
@@BittermanAndy GW has two studios. There is main studio and specialist design studio. Main studio is AoS, Warcry, 40k, Kill Team, and Underworlds. Specialist Studio is Horus Heresy, Necromunda, TOW, Blood Bowl, and Legions Imperialis. You can tell which studio is which based on the book format and rule writing.
@@mogwaiman6048 I am very well aware of that, thank you, but it doesn't have any relevance to what I said, does it? GW claimed in their own financial report that HH was on the same footing as 40K and AoS. Take it up with them.
@@BittermanAndy i'm talking about how the games are managed. TOW is going to have a drip feed release schedule like the rest of the specialist studio does. This game will never have a main studio cycle.
@@mogwaiman6048 yes, true. Whether that's a good decision... we'll see in a few years.
My experience has been mixed but overall good. The Long and short of it is I bought an Ebay greenskin rescue horde, back in early october. Between now and then I've been trying to get my 40k army table top ready, but have been taking breaks to work on some Old World. I currently have a few hundred points in night goblins ready, and putting my full attention into my horde. My biggest issue has been finding a local community and getting things while they are in stock I didnt get a chance to pick up the Ravenous Hordes book until last month, just because its been sold out at all my local game stores. Not to mention how hard it has been to order and find stuff on the GW website, they fact it seems they only took orders for the stone troll recast for a week seems insane.
Awesome release dont mind it being released a bit slower as ive currently just started making a gaming board which will hopefully resemble the old world map and then try and place all armies geographically correct
I’ve been happily building and painting and just recently got my first game of fantasy in. I was too late in 8th edition to play fantasy so I’ve been loving the opportunity to collect fantasy. It’s become my main game line even though I don’t play much I’d like to have several armies to work on and get the occasional game in. I do hope they support it for a long time to come but GW doesn’t make decisions for the fans. They make them for investors so I won’t be surprised at any decision they make. I’m just happy to be along for this ride.
They put very little effort into this release. They just tossed out a bunch of old sculpts in boxes with some new rules and expected people to jump on them. They didn't do any resculpts, there's only a few actually new models, the release schedule has been awfully slow, and they won't be adding Kislev, Cathay, or any other new faction. They're basically trying to maximize their profit while putting forth the smallest amount of effort they thought they could get away with. Old World had some potential, but GW has grossly mishandled its launch.
My problem with this is that GW removed most of the High Elf/Wood Elf/Empire/Warriors of Chaos minis from the store (which most were still buyable until the cities of Sigmar got their big stuff last year)… When they could have just switched to the old world factions so we could play them even if they planned to give them new minis later down the line.
Forgot the dwarfs stuff but now it’s back.
Also, regarding availabilities and release, I get what they tried to do but that also just make the problem even worse. Where since people wait a long time, they will jump on the offer as soon as they can, which lead to more out of order stuff
Part of it stems from the weird move to separate WFB/Old World and AoS in identity and trademark. It's the same reason suspected to explain why CA has omitted certain units/characters from Total Warhammer.
@@giantnerd14 while I get the whole « trying to separate both ». They could have just moved them from the AoS shop to put them in the Old world shop… The whole cities of Sigmar roster was until recently units we know are gonna be in the old world rosters (the dwarfs are a great example). I get trying to separate them but it’s still weird for me to see them take them out for a release, just to put them back way later for that same release.
@@slaaneshshewhothirst9136 I'm not saying it's right, just that's what's happening. I think they could have saved a lot of production budget & time if they kept making units that are for both settings like daemons always have been.
@@giantnerd14 yeah I get it, tbh the cities of Sigmar should have kept the old units as part of their core (like the Dark Elf units are). I get why some factions can’t fit in both but removing the old units from the AoS shop without putting them in the old world shop was kinda bad.
@@giantnerd14 Whom have they omitted?? The game is still in development, and AoS design stuff like Thanquol, Nagash, etc is still expected to come. They went with the modern, late WHFB designs for the Chaos Demons, that you still find in AoS as well.
I think it all stems from the fact that GW did not expect it to be such a big hit.
Given the AOS 4th, it was inevitable that we could not focus on OW. We will take our time and enjoy it, even if the release rate is slow.
It's a specialist studio game, it will never have main studio cycles. It's a Horus Heresy for Fantasy players.
I was really looking forward to this and couldn’t wait for an updated fantasy game with new models.
The rules are decent but the re release of just old models kinda killed my enthusiasm for it. Until I bought a printer and now I’ve got 4 armies and working on my 5th and I’m loving it.
Not being able get the faction cards beyond release week is a bit rubbish too.
As a new player who wouldn’t have tried the Old World without playing Total War Warhammer first the game has lived up to my expectations in terms of gameplay. The release schedule and stock issues threw me off though. I’m happy to play it at my local game store though and we have a decent group.
While I do lament the slow pace of army releases so far I believe it will not be as slow in the future. Most specialist games such as Kill team, Warcry, Underworlds and Horus Hersey have seemed to go on a pause with the release of Age of Sigmar 4th edition. I imagine after the dust settles we will be back to regular updates for these games.
I want my beastie boys. My good old Beastmen!! Oh I miss losing on the tabletop 80% of the time.
But we always gave them hell!! (Nahh I just had fun... 😂)
New Dwarf Slayer models are a must.
Aos ones? Hell no!
Those are so ugly!
@@reno239 No. Dwarf slayers, not Fyreslayers.
My assumption has always been that this is a Specialist Games-level project. They wanted to see if all the demands for WFB were real or just grumbling without needing to dedicate a full line release level of staff and resources. Then with no promises up front they could either ramp up development if people actually bought in or quietly end it as a one-off if a player base never materialized.
I never played WFB before it was shut down, but I did buy a copy of the core book from my FLGS to check this out. The first thing that struck me was how much it reminded me of the 3rd Ed 40k book (which is where I started with Warhammer). A massive tome with the entire game rules, lore, and army lists in one. And as a bonus this has an index, which was painfully missing from 3rd ed.
It is a specialist studio game. You can tell by the books and rules format.
After Lords of the Lance I'm genuinely fearful of new Fantasy books. On top of having a bunch of its writing decisions clearly being driven by external politics, the book itself was confused and had no idea who exactly it was for (old blood will hate it and new blood will be confused by it).
If this is the standard being set for Old World novels going forward than Id just rather not have them at all - for the sake of damage mitigation, if nothing else.
Speaking of -legacy- renegade factions, the Skaventide Clanrats would look good all ranked up!
For my part, none of the armies I'm really interested in has been (re-?)released yet. And when the prices are this high for an army, I would rather spend the money on 40k models I want rather than old world models I'm only mildly interested in. Maybe when the lizardmen stop staring at their plaques and come out to play.
Don't know how common they made female knights, but in the old lore it could happen very rarely, but it happened. Happy I have Repanses model, as I think it is a beautiful one.
It might not seem like a big deal to some..but, lizardmen not having drilled for warriors and guard just kills it for me.
Currently collecting samurai models from fireforge miniatures and running them as empire or high elves. Each box i get 24 models, and it's only 22 pounds. They have medieval and English civil war models, too. All in plastics and all really great details. Dont buy from gw until they are being priced down.
As a potential new player i was really looking forward to some of the factions they haven't released yet. Waiting so long is trying my patience and I'll probably just end up losing my excitement by the time they finally release any elves.
I expect people are more upset about female knights because its seen as for ideological reasons, rather than for storytelling reasons or a mistake - especially if people had missed that lore introduction two decades ago.
Yet female knights were a thing since 2006 or so. If they are getting mad at a lore change close to 20 years later that's on them isn't it? I'd be more pissed at them forgetting important stuff about the King of Kings than that tbh
I got some of the new Orcs but honestly I want to wait for all the factions to drop before I really commit. I want at least two 2000 point armies, so when friends visit we can play games.
Agreed - the new lore is interesting but very very sparse - the Arcane Journals are sadly terrible for this. On subfactions - 40k Marine Chapters are very similar - only those with massive flandersation have major differences and thats nothing compared to Imperial Guard regiments differences or the difference between say a Cult of Ulric army and an army from Nuln....
Minis bother me, to few new ones and the new ones we get is all "out of stock" constantly wich is so damn annoying trying to build u army. Dwarf mountain Holds I have nothing of yet not even the Books. in sweden I dont see ANY increased stock on Dwarfs, not the new stuff atleast sadly.
I wont play until i get my army sorted so will be some time before I do my first games, still hyped tho and love the old fantasy stuff back so dont get me wrong. just wished it went faster and not half-a''ed by GW
Very happy with the game so far, aside from a couple of nitpicks.
I don't get why you can't use the aos minis in the old world
Money
Well, some don't exist in the old world and others look way different. The AoS minis in addition to circular bases have a much different art style.
Circular base system is a way for gw to make you pay double ...
You can in some cases. You just have to make sure to buy square bases separately, or get base-converters. It's extra work. Another problem is that some AoS models aren't designed to be ranked up. But if you know what you are doing you can make it work.
Exactly. And vice versa. I have a huge AoS collection of several hundred models across all the factions. I love Bretonnia and Tomb Kings are pretty cool aswell. But I like skirmish rules of Age of Sigmar more. They are more compeling and most importantly, easier to learn friends, then rank and file style of the Old World. If I would decide to buy Bretonnia, I would have no use for them in battle, as they would be incompatible with my collection. There are no AoS rules for them and it is only because Games Workshop is greedy and wants me to start from scratch.
I was pretty hyped up for this for all those years it has been teased. But then I learned, that Old World models would be purposfully incompatible with Age of Sigmar rules, so I wouldn't be able to battle Old World models with my huge Age of Sigmar collection models. I would have to start completely from scratch If I would like to play some matched games. The fact, that the models, they released in starter boxes were all 20 years old, but had "new and costly" price tags attached to them didn't help either.
Basicly I lost all the hype for this game at the moment it actually released and at the end I decided not to invest money into it. :/
Several of the re released boxes are actually cheaper than they where back then, when you account for larger models, count and 20 years inflation
How are they “incompatible?” A majority of them were for sale in aos for awhile (hell even dwarf warriors were boxed in aos boxes at one point AND GREENSKINS TOO THEY HAD THEIR OWN START COLLECTING BOX BEFORE BEING AXED)
If you’re playing orcs (not calling it orruks) you can but the box of black orcs which was for sale in 2023 for AOS. Except now you get 20 for slightly cheaper compared to 10 in AOS
I know that they've announced some time ago that Grand Cathay will not be coming to Old World, however I really can't help but feel they've missed the mark there. There's been such a big desire for Nippon, Grand Cathay and Ind to join the fray. Especially after TW: Warhammer 3. I played 40k many years ago, and it was only because of TW:Warhammer did I start coming back to the franchise. Shame no current OW faction really tickles my fancy.. so I guess I'll look at AoS, if anything now.
Aren't there any undead aside from Tomb Kings in the old world? I didn't see their factions on the list. No Vampire Counts?
I entered the hobby near the begining of 8th ed of 40k (DG player) and so I'm used to a certain level of quality that the old-heads never had.
I've got over 1,000 hours in the TWW series, fast approaching 2,000. A buddy and I would without hesitation retire from 40k, but we are completely turned off since 95% of the models are almost as old as we are, if not older.
I’m really hoping for sky cutters in the High Elf box because I don’t have any and also I have like 15 chariots….
20 years since the last bretonnia release. Lord's of the Lance sucked the review cannot be scathing enough. Poor characters, lore breaking, and some really basic mistakes for instance they refer to the king as loeun leonceuor rather then orc slayer.
I’m mostly disappointed by the lack of wood elf models. Sure we can get the treeman and dryads from AoS but in terms of actual elves, there’s 1. And she’s stuck in £100 box set mostly devoted to soulblight. I managed to kitbash undead wood elves when the shadow warrior kit was still out but now that’s gone as well.
For me, The Old World is a complete stillbirth. All of my factions are legacy factions that will not be released and the "new armies" have basically been cancelled. I don't have much hope in the long term that after the release of the 9 core factions, TOW will only get a few miniature releases 1-2 times a year and a campaign book like the Middlearth Strategy Battle Game does.
People hyped it up as a 9th edition, which it clearly isn't.
I think that the game is great and is thriving. It definitely is doing far better than GW expected.
Part of me wants to put on a tinfoil hat and spout off some dumb but somewhat fun and cathartic conspiracy that has a 1% chance of being true but I won’t lol
While I'm all for armies getting several arcane journals with more content I would be both disappointed and surprised if they didn't start releasing legacy factions before that.
Which models for warriors of chaos are you currently looking for?
I'm blaming the release schedule on every game fighting over the real limited amount of factories. AOS 4.0, Kill Team, the 40k battleforce boxes with every codex. Just so little time and too many people arguing to marketing that they will sell more stuff.
Glad there's that new factory in the works
People are whining in the comments about the release schedule like this is not COMPLETELY normal across even 40K and AoS. Do you think the main game factions get updates every week? It's delusional
As a TW Warhammmer player, I would throw cash at GW if they dropped Kieslev or Cathay. As is, the Dwarfs look tempting...
The issue with the dwarfs is that two of the most useful things don’t have models available. Being gyrocopters (this might just be a stock issue as they were available and are in the starter set) and rangers. I don’t remember them ever making rangers models since metal Bugmans for Dogs of War in the 90’s.
The Thunderers/Quarrelers kit allows you to build Rangers; just glue a two handed weapon to their back.
@@phosphorusgold2391 are the two handed weapons in the box too though?
@@DonKarlioniif you’re buying the battalion you’ll be able to get two gyros, two units of warriors (or long beards if you use the great weapons) but if you keep the great weapons you can stick them onto the two quarreller kits that come with it to make rangers.
@@DonKarlioni They used to be, when Fantasy was still a thing. If the box content's are still the same, then yeah.
Some of the older AoS sculpts are coming with both the old square bases as well as round bases
From a design approach I'm in looove with TOW. I allways held the strong conviction that GW's "no rules for stuff we're not selling" was the single worst thing that ever happened to the hobby. Seeing TOW wriers actively reject that design philosophy has killed what little enthusiasm I had left for 40k. Black Orc chariots, Engeneer battle standard bearers, Border Prince Brigands with blunderbusses - you want an Empire general on a Demigryph with a long bow? A Damsel on Pegasus swinging an enchanted battle axe? A Dragon Ogre Shaggoth with a third arm launching throwing spears? There are endless options encouraging conversions, kitbashes, narrative plays.
In the meanwhile I cant put a powerklaw on the latest 40k warboss because GW didnt include it on the model. Great.
If being a treated as a specialist game is the prize we gotta pay for having rules with depth and unit entries with options,then thats allright with me.
The fact that all the new models sell out in first 5min of launch day should send a clear signal. I hope GW ramps up production.
Horus Heresy doesn't even release at a faster rate. Neither will TOW.
None of the factions that I like have been released yet, and most of my favourites are legacy factions, so overall The Old World has been really disappointing to me.
People hyped it up as a 9th edition despite GW stating the contrary.
My local FLGS has said sales are pretty stagnant. They stock TOW and want to continue stocking it… but when I was chatting to them about how the game was doing, the gist was “very few people under the age of 40 give a crap about it”.
It'll fail for the same reasons WHFB failed. The universe is underdeveloped, because its initial creators were unable to fill it with anything without racial stereotypes. You think, "Hey cool, Warhammer. It's like a dark Warcraft, I've heard. Cool." Then you look at the map and it reads "Here be Lizardmen", for two entire continents, and the rest of them either reads "bad guys" or "footnote", while you can hide the actually fleshed out part of the world with your thumb. Okay, I forgot the Elf donut. Two thumbs. It's much less appealing in depth than upfront.
Now they have to remake the old roster, then would have to expand and fix the boring and empty world of WHFB. Doesn't seem possible, outside of Blood Bowl.
@@madness9651fantasy is anything *but* boring, you just don’t know the lore.
If you read greasus goldtooth’s wiki alone you’ll find more lore and story than all of aos 1st edition 😂
It has a ruleset that won't appeal to most new wargamers. There are also a myriad of generic fantasy options available via other producers and 3d printing. Lastly, there are other rank and flank games with modernized rules and newer miniatures such as Conquest.
@@reno239 I have been involved with the lore for two decades and can tell you its crap. Empty world, monotonous character stories, wrong setup (grimdark is great for dystopia, but for fantasy it is shit).
@@madness9651 so wrong, it was the most widely-played wargame in the world for 20 years, and second-most for another 10 years after that. Just so, so wrong.
Tomb Kings would go back to sleep/rest, except Settra. Unless destroyed he never rests.
I like TOW. I've been a casual player but it's exciting to be part a growing community.
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I was interested getting into this but local GW store were nervous about it being DOA
It looks like that hasn’t been the case. Regarding models, do you think full armies will have new models, like for example, Bretonia still uses old archers, will those get a refresh?
@@arasandthevolodkas not for a long time.
The only reason why one would buy those boxes if for 3D scanning the sprues and 3D print them again. There is absolutely nothing that justify those prices considering how cheap the process for making those miniatures has become.
The new resin models have never come back in stock for any faction in the US. Highly annoying. I’ve had to check the site multiple times daily for the past six months just to be able to get most of the 20+ yr old Bretonnia models because the back in stock update sometimes never comes.
Boy I can't wait for the beastmen and vampire counts to get a revamped roster of updated units.
VC won't get anything directly. It will have to come from AoS.
@@mogwaiman6048 I know, boss. It hurts though.
@@ZombifiedNappa condolences.
@@mogwaiman6048 Just get circular base trays and put them in formation. Easy. You wont need to do any work, just need movement trays where you can place them.
I'd say no due to a painfully slow faction rollout and a real lack of new/refreshed kits. The prices are also insane, I'm not paying £50 for three metal Ushabti that are older than me!
Pretty much dead where i am , releases was way to slow and the whole legends armies which was the most popular actually just put alot of my club members off .
If you play Tomb Kings, Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Orcs, Empire, Chaos Warriors, Beastmen, Wood or High Elves, it's a great game system with crappy lore changes.
If you play anything else, it's just "lmao get fucked"
I would really really love more new models specially for skeletons for the tomb kings...
Any good model recommendations for a Lizardmen V Skaven diorama?
Clanrats and saurus mainly as they’d make up a major chunk of both armies. You should use monsters for both sides and definitely add a few of the Skaven’s war machines. Watch the prophet and the warlock trailer and the skaven trailer cuz both show sksaven and lizardmen fighting.
@@reno239 i understand what the conflict would look like. Clanrats, skaven slaves and storm vermin on one side, skinks, saurus, kroxigors etc on the other. I'm largely asking about good specific models, like cool characters or monsters
This will all affect the total warhammer3?
Nope. TOW is a new IP.
I love reference cards and they are released and they sell out in minute and then disappear forever and are on ebay with scalper prices thereafter.
The UK site is much better stocked than the US site.
Honestly, all the work that TWW3 and Vermintide did to make me want to get into Warhammer, the Endtimes and slow pace of Old World Release made me not. Plus the prices didn't help lol.
I've given up with it. I was hoping for cool refreshes like settra getting a new mini and more new minis made of plastic. Don't even get me started on the price of the ushabti and the legacy race nonesense.
I've not bought a single thing. I just wanted to paint up some cool characters from whfb without them being ugly af old minis that I could buy on ebay cheaper before old world came out
Extremely disappointed there are no vampire counts…
You got skull pass boxes? Hit me up if youre looking to unload some night goblins.
GW doing their best to kill it before it takes off
Nah, it's a slow grow project. That's why it's specialist studio. It will never have a main studio release cycle.
Release schedule is crap tbh, tho the game itself is fantastic 👌
I was in Element Games, uk, the other week and they had a lot of stuff.
I have to say from my perspective the models for the most part are just a huge dealbreaker.
I don't have the nostalgia for these old minis (since I only got interested in WH with Total War) and to me a loto of them just dont look nice. It really feels like Old World was not made to hook new people (which is quite a shame), atleast it didnt work for me.
Buying all the arcane journals etc. Waiting for Chaos, Beastmen or high elves.
I want to love the gameplay, and it feels great at parts, but I cannot get past how unfun magic feels. It’s nothing but a roll-off between level 4s with infinite dispels. Would love a different perspective as to why it’s actually good or passable.
@@jetstumpy Lv4 wizards are bonkers for a 30 point upgrade.
I'm not sure I can make the case for why magic is "good" in TOW, but it's a lot less broken than the worst excesses of some previous editions.
At least in TOW you can't have Vampire Count armies that have tripled in size by turn three, or one spell that kills half the enemy army.
Granted, every army effectively has to bring a level 4, and it becomes a roll-off between them... in some previous editions you either brought multiple level 4s and as many level 2s as you could manage, or no magic at all. Anything in between was a waste of points.
Again, not saying TOW magic is good, but players who've been around for a few editions have seen magic be *terrible*. I'll take "not good" if those are the options.
@@BittermanAndy I guess it is “better” to have it be boring than to lose entire units from it. Though there are still some combos that just absolutely pull whole units.
The imperial dwarfs are way too expensive. Only five in a box, no one runs that small a unit of infantry.
I mean, you can buy more than one box. (Might still be too expensive, but at least you've got that choice). Better than putting plastic Black Orcs in boxes of 20, when units of 10 are perfectly viable.
@@BittermanAndy infantry blocks of 20 sound more viable than 10 tbh. Especially with how effective dragons have been. And Bret cavalry. You’d need a large enough block to survive the initial charge and hit back.
Cost-wise, a box of 5 imperial dwarfs is 52 USD. If you want a command squad attached that’s a further 47 USD for four models. A box of 20 black orcs is 85 USD. However, those are plastic. A more apt comparison would be the big’uns, which are also metal. Those are 5 for 52 USD, 3 command for 35 USD.
So perhaps my critique is that metal is way too expensive. And that’s unfortunate because there are some really fun models that are only metal.
I wonder how many Ungrim's sold within the 1st 30 min because that's about all the time you had 😂
Still not over GW charging £50 for the same TK chariot kit that cost £15 back in the day, not doubling the number of models either like they did with the skelly warriors which at least gives some excuse for the price.
Certainly not. It feels quite underwhelming.
eh.... I really dont like how "nostalgia" has become a insult/critical term in the gaming context lately. meanwhile it's perfectly fine to like old cars, or movies, or classical cooking (e.g. traditional fine dining), or old music, or books. why is it somehow something you almost need to apologise for when it's models, but not these other catagories? are the new star wars movies better than the old ones, simply becuase they're more recent, and the old ones are past some sort of made up sell buy date? virtually no one thinks that.
as to whether the old models or the new ones are better, it's hard to say. I do think these 6th edition plastics lack the character of the old metals sculpted in green stuff, while also lacking the posiing options and crisp detail of newer models.... but if you compare the new models with the old metals, theres a shift in asthetic which makes it difficult to compare e.g. high vs low fantasy. they're not actually the same thing. most likely though if they made a whole new range of new sculpts for all the old stuff, I'd concede that they'd be better..... but it's pretty obvious why that's not happening (it would be so much money and time to produce - maybe eventually, though.)
at the end of the day, though, it's subjective for the most part. so often the term "nostalgia" is used more as a justification for people who arent going to play, for why they're not going to play. whats wrong with just saying "I dont want to spend the time or the money" and leaving other people to do whatever they want? why do people feel the need to justify this stuff in the first place!? crazy.
it genuinely annoys me a little every time I hear the word now.
@@afox6088 yeah the nostalgia is fine. I just don't like the unrealistic expectations people are creating online.
@@mogwaiman6048 a product of increasingly polarising times unfortunately - how often do you even hear or read a moderate opinion anymore?
@@afox6088 seldomly unfortunately.
Make infantry more viable....
Yup, melee infantry are the most common unit type and are also the worst unit type.
I think the fairly lackluster launch of AoS 4th makes it more likely that we’ll see factions like Lizardmen and Skaven being ported back into Old World.
I feel bad for the AOS fans I think GW did damage to itself there by scrapping so many of the Stormcast only to have them replaced by a completely new wave
Lol nope. This is 100% copium. 4th is going to do just fine.
Horrible written rules. Taken the worst parts of last 3 warhammer editions and mashed it together.
Selling 15+ year old models for premium prices. Nearly no support for the game.
In the basic boxes who are ok priced mostly useless stuff if you are able to read rules.
I don't mind them choosing an older setting so they have more freedom to tell new stories and introduce new models...if they actually do that. So far, it's been very slow.
No. because gw dont have free resources for it
@@BloodyArchangelus spending between $70 to $200 on rule books is a no go for people.
Took me 6 months to get my Bretonnia collection. Because it took 6 months for them to have questing knights and grail knights back in stock briefly. Still waiting on my made to order models from back in February.
It’s annoying that the resin characters are so hard to get in the states, as one of the few completely new sculpts that players of warhammer fantasy battles would not have.
Lords of the lance is such a terrible book terrible characters boring plot, I'm sticking to the older lore.. The old world is a thing for tabletop players because as someone who only enjoys the books and the lore I'm very let down by the old world, it seems like a downgrade in terms of lore and stories.
This just makes me want to read OG fantasy which feels better.. I don't think GW will recreate what made fantasy cool again.
>GW fucks up Setra/tomb king lore
*the tourists sleep*
>GW says there’s female Bret knights
The tourists: SOILED IT. SOILED. SOILED IT SOILED IT
The same thing happened in 40k
I'm more annoyed about how they changed Malakai Makaisson to be a fake and a fraud who didn't invent shit, it's such a bad way to shit on old characters.
I'm still seething about Setra, so you're not alone.
@@spnked9516 Yeah that article where they straight up amitted "they must be totally evil because they're undead, right?" and just made them generic evil conqueror #14 was just... urgh.
@@Retrosicotte that blew my mind initially. Settra started out as just that, but he was changed later to not just wholly be a self-obsessed megalomaniac because nobody thought it was interesting.
GW basically went "yeah, it's totally a good idea to revert this character back to his less popular incarnation. That won't piss anyone off or damage the characters likability".
I checked out as soon as I saw female knights.
Where are the female Knights?
@@madness9651 Grail Knights on foot.
@@mogwaiman6048 That's a queer man dressed up as the banner of the Lady of the Lake he is carrying, probably out of religious reasons. While the face and headgear are effeminate, the body shape is clearly male. It is a very Warhammer design.
@@madness9651 Dude, even GW said the one with feminine face is woman.
Karl(oine) Franz was actually a woman of color. She was also a homosexual muslim vegan. That was always in the lore.
"I don't see why new players wouldn't come in" As someone who was hyped by it and thought about trying out this whole hobby of painting armies and playing with my creations, the fact that the skavens are not part of the main roster (yes, they're getting new units for AoS, I'm aware, but they won't get new rathling guns models for example, since it's been replaced by a vehicle thingy) and that all boxes are made up of 99% of 20+ yo old models + where are kislev and cathay?... If I decide to take the plunge, it'll be through 3D printing and nothing else, GW doesn't deserve a penny for this lazy flaccid release. I'm sorry to say that as I know how many people love it, especially GBOG himself but it's my honest thoughts on the subject. i wouldn't be against starting with old ass models if the price was half of what it currently is, but this is ridiculous...
It isn't friendly to new players, most new players will gravitate toward the main studio which has streamlined rules and more product availability.