Really enjoy listening to Becket Cooks podcasts he was touched by Jesus and truly changed. He still has friend's that are gay but can't be in the gay lifestyle anymore . He is a very brave soul to come out the truth way .
I left the sin of homosexuality in 2009. And I used to attack Christians. That word LOVE is thrown out there to confuse.. yes Jesus loves ALL, and that’s why He died for ALL. Cleaned of our sins. Sexual immorality including homosexual is sin. Pastors are not teaching Biblical truth on this. I’ve experienced it. I lived with a woman 18 years. And I praise God that my youngest son and the church youth pastors prayed for me. It’s a long story people are just writing books but what about the main book. The Bible, answers are there ❤
@@myriamferrer271I'm so thankful that you surrender your life to God. I have a daughter that is in that lifestyle. She walked away from God years ago. My prayer is she will come back to God. God bless you and my you stand strong in your faith and relationship with Christ.
This is very sad to me, as a deconstructed Christian I see this as delusional, and based upon magical claims of the impossible, and seeing these claims as supportive of a mythical, “objective truth” meta narrative that is truly based upon an archaic view of the natural world. I hope you realize you were hoodwinked by a cult.
🎉 this whole thing is amazing. I'm so grateful that you're able to blow the lid on it I'm looking and watching with my heart breaking and healing at the same time😊
As a Catholic, thank you so much for reporting on this.🕊️ I really respect Churches who stand up for what they believe and are willing to excommunicate people, no matter how much we love them, when they habitually go forward in manifest grave sin. They just bring so many people down with them otherwise. The Catholic Church doesn't do it. We are hypocrites in that way. How come it's so easy to forget Jesus loving enough to say, " go and sin no more." None of us learn in life( generally,) without suffering. Then we self examine when a good is taken away due to our behavior. Everyone has a cross to bear, but God is strong enough to transform us. Thank God. God have mercy on me a sinner.
My daughter is claiming gay and is almost 19 years old. She has brought her special girl home I showed her and the other girl Patty Height’s story and anger and closing of the ear was the result to this. My heart is sad but I give both of them to God and pray for enlightenment! I continue to tell her I love her as Rosario suggested and then pray.
Dont church members and deacons have the responsibility to discern if the preaching, teaching and beliefs are based on biblical scriptures and if not to dismiss those pastors or teachers out of the church?? So if a pastor allows these false teachings to occur then it is the resonsibility of the deacons and members to dismiss that pastor.
I think it is possible to be a Christian and be deceived about lifestyle. I read Jennifer Knapp's Facing The Music. I have a friend who used to go to my Theologically Conservative Church and taught my Sunday School Class for 6 wks about 8 years. 4 yrs ago, he decided he is gay. He is a local celebrity. His work and new gay lifestyle became well known. In the past few weeks to a month he has recently suffered a major blow professionally.
I would think that most people would say that murder is a sin and that no one would allow that sin to occur in our churches. So why wouldnt the same action happen with any sin?
Christians who have kids or grandkids that are homosexual often turn away from Biblical teaching b/c they don’t have the wisdom to reconcile these divergent poles. More testimonies from homosexuals who found healing need to be shared, taught, learn how God worked to change their hearts❤and orientation
@@mbcraig2 I had a church group for parents of children or family members who are homosexuals. God transformed me and because of my own personal experiences with the life I lived and my parents, I was able to help parents cope and deal with issues about the Bible..
Thank you! I had to make the painful decision to leave the Episcopal Church because of the Prediding Bishop and Episcopal Council to not only embrace homosexual members, then progress to ordaining same sex marriage, to eventually ordaining practicing homosexual Priests and Bishops. It broke my heart to walk away from all of the people I loved in my church. God guided me to a church that is part of the Calvary Chapel ministry and part of the MARANATHA movement. I am always praying for the discernment of the Holy Spirit regarding everything in my life from now on.
@@yashjoseph3544 why not investigate your heart? People want pastors to preach to accommodate them. But when sin is preached and it convicts you then the church is criticized. Well the church is like a hospital with many diseases. We want a cure, but when we don’t get it we get a second, third or fourth and so on opinions. But we don’t find the cure because the cure is in the Great Physician Jesus Christ. And if you keep jumping from one church to another it’s because you are not looking for the the One and only true Christ, you’re looking for a church to accommodate your sin, your not willing to surrender your life. There’s no good church, they all have problems but it’s up to you to focus in His word
Josh, I need to say that you have your finger on the pulse… And so does Megan Basham. I've been following this issue with certain people close up. The plausible deniability is surely exhausting… And I never get straight answers when I push for them they need to be held accountable.
Sadly, the international Salvation Army has implemented rules that support LGBT policy! Even their “churches” are forced to have representatives to monitor that these instructions are kept! The ruling comes from their top bureaucrats! In Australia it has had a huge impact on attendances!
As Ryan Turnipseed has rightly said in Chronicles, faithful Trinitarian Christians of all stripes have more in common than the liberals within their respective denominations. Above all, let us not fall because of rancorous doctrinal dispute, thereby letting the wolves feast on our corpses.
Turnipseed is a pretty open white supremacist. Shouldn’t Christians work to rebuke sinful partiality? Or are the gays the only ones that you care to rebuke?
Trinitarianism is NOT what should unite Christians but JESUS CHRIST should be the ONLY foundation that unites us. That means faith in him alone and recognising him as the Head of the Church and our ONLY authority is the WORD OF GOD.
I almost ordered her book but when I saw how she was unfair to Gavin Ortlund I didn't. She needs to retract what she wrote about him in her book! She took him out of context and basically lied! Sad she did this on a fellow Christian brother!
The Amy Grant case is interesting. When she received a Kennedy Center Honor for her music all the lefties in the music world showed up to praise her. This was shortly after she came out as supportive of LGBTQ issues. And Amy has not been mainstream in the pop music world for decades. I remember a time when her views were conservative and she was the darling of the CCM industry.
Grant was always a relatively shallow Christian. I saw her in 1983 at my Christian college and saw a lot of problems even back then. Her ultimate apostasy didn’t surprise me.
Great! Finally! New young voices are rising up! "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings!". Many translations came out of the Gnostic Gospels! When the Hebrew oral tradition written on Scrolls, then in print, the Gnostics who translated scripture picked and choose things that suited their Philosophy. Easy test! The Bibles who leave out many Scriptures on the Holy Spirit compared to the King James Versions lay out! Even compare KEY Scriptures too!
@@keithwilson6060 I wish I'd known that. I feel like many of us Christian parents searching for contemporary Christian music for our tweens & teens were betrayed or taken in. Evangelicals made her rich, then she basically abandoned the faith when she chased after & eventually married another man & left her children heartbroken... her husband had his problems, but many of us women had difficult marriages, but held onto Jesus & our integrity. She's laughed in interviews about how unhappy all of the children are in her wedding photos.... so heartless❤❤❤
Methodist churches are going independent or joining a new denomination, Global Methodist, but even that is still based in the US. The United Methodist Churches outside the US have faced extreme racism and paternalism from the US Methodists bishops. Its incredibly disappointing and also expected.
These two are just whiners, they want people to agree with them without doing any of the work required to convince people. It's lazy, it's sociological armchair politics.
As a parent-- we were recently asked ' as a parent,why/ how can stand Biblically?'-- the answer I give-- 'how can we love our child, if we don't want for him what God wants for him-- to repent, to turn back to God and God's will/ plan fir his life?'! For him to be outside of God's will and continue on the path and to affirm it would not be loving!
This is my first time here. I saw Megan on Becket Cooks show the other day so was happy to see her on your show. Great show. I’ll definitely start following you.
“It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error.” Don’t back down. God cannot be mocked. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life” John 14:6
@@1Quebert1 Keep standing tall and yes also Prayers. Listen to the cry of our children going through this. Let’s bring God back to our schools. Keep in the word and ask God for wisdom.. the enemy will put fear and doubts. ❤️
Josh, I want to say that you are absolutely correct. The bulk of evangelical churches are not inhospitable to LGBTQ people who come to visit...And yes, Megan is correct in that this is being used as a wedge or hammer to open the door...
Josh Megan Basham just appeared on Andrew Klavan’s channel to sell her book. Klavan has a gay married son and supports homosexuality and gay marriage. Let’s follow the money and see who is compromising. Does Megan have a chapter on herself? Ironic.
OK, watched this twice and have been dealing with this issue for 15 years. So what do you tell Christian parents of LGBTQ children? I left the church 10+ years ago for this very reason. Back then, crickets. I knew I wasn’t the only parent facing this. What did I get from my church and several others that I tried to get help from? Silence. Sympathy.. Or simply. It’s a sin, don’t condone it and you don’t have to accept your child’s sin, his partner or attend his wedding in the future. (at the time my son was only 17 so that wasn’t even an issue yet.). So then what…kick my child out of the house? Never speak to him again? Pretend I didn’t carry him in my womb for nine months and bring him into this world? Again, love the sinner, not the sin. Useless platitudes. So I wasn’t aware that there were any type of ministries to help parents because I have been away from church for so many years, and for that I am thankful. However, I completely understand where you are coming from because I have struggled with this for so many years. And what is happening in the church is no surprise to me. in fact one of the reasons why I left going to church is because of people like Rick Warren, and others who I knew were not who they say they were. I went to a large evangelical mega church for 10 to 12 years and at first I bought into all of it.. it was fun. It was encouraging. It was like going to the Oprah show. It made church fun again. But after a few years, something felt off. It felt superficial. Then when our son came out to us, I tried to seek help from the head pastors, and from other ministries within the church. Nothing. They just refused to discuss the subject. I went online and did my own research. I met other Christian parents who were going through the same thing.. Some of them left churches, they have been attending for generations. They no longer felt welcome. Some of them felt shame and embarrassment, and just left on their own. So you had Christian parents of LGBTQ youth, who didn’t know what to do, didn’t know where to turn, got absolutely no support. They were like lost at sea. For some of them, church was a big part up their life. All of their friends attended their church. Many of their social engagements involved the church. They lost all of that. I am not arguing with one thing you are saying and I’m not going to enter a debate about whether or not homosexuality is sin. I can read. I know what it says in the Bible. I don’t think there has been a day that has gone by in 15+ years that I haven’t thought about this issue and wrestled with it in my head and my heart. Now, while I haven’t been to church in many many years and wasn’t aware of some of the current ministries that have sprung up to “help” parents, I have been aware of the infiltration of the left-wing Democratic ideology. You don’t have to attend church to know what is happening in our culture is also happening in our churches. You don’t have to be a scholar or an elite to recognize wolves in sheep’s clothing. And my suspicions turned out correct because all these years later, not only are pastors talking about LGBTQ issues some of them are condoning them. That is not what I wanted from a church. I didn’t want a church to tell me that homosexuality was OK. I also didn’t want a church to say “your child is going to hell and get as far away from him as possible“. Neither of those scenarios are helpful. Yes God said there would be struggles in the world, and He should be put first and all matters. Whenever I get into these discussions online or with others in my social circles I always ask this question. What would you do if your child came out to you? Most people can’t answer this question. Most Christians, who are firm believers that homosexuality is a sin believe that they would not support or condone this, and they would be upfront and honest with their child. They would be wrong. I’ve seen it time and time again in hundreds of Christian parents. When asked what they would do if their child said well, if you don’t accept me, then I’m not in your life or if you can’t be civil to my partner for Christmas. Very few Christians have answered the question directly because we all have this fairytale version of what family should be and no one wants to be the mean person. That is not saying that I do not know any Christians who have prodigal children who they are not in current relationship with. But most of the Christians I know who have LGBTQ children still struggle with the balance of their beliefs and love for their child. I know from listening to these discussions frequently on Podcasts that most Christians will say it wouldn’t be a struggle for you because you hold onto your beliefs dearly, regardless of your child’s choices. But I’m here to tell you, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you don’t really know. When your child is sobbing in your arms, fearful that you are kicking them out of the family they dearly love, and you start telling them they are sinners and they need to change their ways, and you see their anguish and their torment, and they’re questioning why God made them that way (because when they’re young and coming out, that’s the only thing they can think of to say) and you are sobbing right along with them because life as you know it is about to change… then come talk to me. I’m not here to say that you change your convictions or you disobey God and start accepting homosexuality just because your kid comes out. But Facing this as a Christian parent is devastating no matter how strong your convictions are. So to all those who just simply say, homosexuality is a sin and do not accept it even in your own child, and to those who say well, the Bible doesn’t really mean that and it’s OK to be affirming and accepting… that is just one extreme to another and not very helpful. You have many many many many many many more than you could ever know Christian parents who struggle with this daily, some have left the church. Some of their churches turned their back on them, some have left Christianity altogether not just the church. None of the solutions that any of the experts have provided have been very helpful.. I watch these podcasts and I read all the comments I rarely ever hear from any of you who have dealt with this issue personally. Where are you? I know you’re out there. Meanwhile, we Christian parents of LGBTQ children sit at the crossroads while all of you discuss this and none of you have gay children. Now, of course I’m generalizing here because I have come across a few of these discussions where someone actually does have a gay or trans child. But usually those people are Advocating for acceptance and inclusion. They’ve gone way to the other side in convincing us that ‘the Bible doesn’t really mean it’s a sin…or that it’s referring to rape, etc. I’ve yet to hear a podcast by someone who is strong in their beliefs and convictions, but has a gay child and is struggling with all of it. Usually the people speaking out about this have made up their minds, one side or the other. This is just a reminder that hey there’s a lot of confusion around this issue and people who are dealing with this daily basis are out here dancing in the wind while you all are stating your cases. I mean no disrespect to the podcaster or his guest and realize that my words may come across a bit harsh. Partially contributed to the fact that I am voice texting and the emotion is coming through my voice . Also I apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors as I am voice texting. Thank you for listening and I would love anyone’s thoughts on what I’ve written.
I am so sorry you're going through this and I can hear the pain in your words. My heart aches for you. I have only one adult child and truly have no idea how I would handle your situation. The love we have for our children cannot be measured. I pray for clergy to open their eyes and hearts to hear the parents cries and anguish and not turn away from you. I pray God will give you wisdom and guidance to deal with all you're going through. He knows how much you love your child. May He give you answers quickly and comfort you completely.
@@ellenweisberger3020 Thank you for your kind words and your prayers. They mean more to me than you can imagine. I love my son as we all love our children. At the same time I want to be obedient to God and I fear letting my support of my son go against God’s will. In the end all I can do is model unconditional love and God’s grace and pray that He knows my heart is in the right place.
Wow! I can feel your pain and the anguish on this topic. You have had to live it. We are living in a world where one’s sexuality has become one’s whole identity. None of the nine+ major world religions that I am aware of agree with LGBTQ ideologies. With Christianity only representing one of those. At the same time Faith communities need to be more inclusive, supportive and loving but also not sell their souls in the process and change scripture that has withstood the test of time. I believe a lot of answers will become known as we learn more and more about this subject. There is more and more evidence that young women are entering puberty earlier and earlier these days which tells me there’s an environmental component in our water and food supply but of course, nothing is conclusive. How many birth control pills have been flushed down the drain? I am certainly not saying that this is the sole cause of all this, but I think it’s part of the problem. There are a few interesting books by a doctor called Dr Leonard Sax on gender, which touch on these subjects, but also cover a lot of other fascinating information that teachers and parents really need to know about their children. His conclusions are more backed up by research and not just opinion and hearsay. 100 years from now our future families will look back at this time and shake their heads and probably have a very different attitude. Heterosexual people of Faith also need to practice chastity, and our sexuality is only one small part of our life. For some of this has become their entire identity. Many have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and this has ripped apart, congregations and faith communities all over. I pray that you will find some solace in this issue. I did lose a good friend who could not stay in our community because his grandchild came out as gay. Nothing that I said or did, but he just couldn’t get there or even discuss it. Again, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not always the best solution for all concerned.
Megan has brought up some legitimate concerns about Northpoint and Saddleback church, and Embracing the Journey specifically. However, when she basically lumps Greg Johnson of Revoice into the same category, by misrepresenting what he actually says in his book, then it becomes apparent that Megan is doing more harm than good here. Blowing the whistle on legitimate compromises is not license to bear false witness against another believer.
If you haven't noticed, the main response of Evangelical "leaders" to falling income from dwindling churchgoers is to steal them from other congregations. They stoop so low as to accuse each other of apostasy to get their numbers up. The greed driven business model is on full display. :-)
The culture is going this way because the churches were already going this way because pastors were going this way. Culture goes the way of the church. We see these problems in the culture because the foundation for the problem was already in the church. The full blown lies may not have been in the churches but the foundation for those lies to built on were laid by the church. We have problems with our theology in our churches because our pastors have holes in their theology. Case in point: the current controversy with Alistair Begg
I have and experienced in California in 2000 and I remembered I feel so empty and Father show my face while I was sinning and i said NO and the demon let me alone the emptiness was so deeply that I can really explain it. Praise the Lord Jesus...The messiah. NOT MEAN NOT.
OK, watched this twice and have been dealing with this issue for 15 years. So what do you tell Christian parents of LGBTQ children? I left the church 10+ years ago for this very reason. Back then, crickets. I knew I wasn’t the only parent facing this. What did I get for my church and several Walthers that I tried to get help from Silence. Sympathy.. Or simply. It’s a sin, don’t condone it and you don’t have to accept your child’s sin, his partner or attend his wedding in the future. (at the time my son was only 17 so that wasn’t even an issue yet.). So then what…kick my child out of the house? Never speak to him again? Pretend I didn’t carry him in my womb for nine months and bring him into this world? Again, love the sinner, not the sin. Useless platitudes. So I wasn’t aware that there were any type of ministries to help parents and for that I am thankful. However, I completely understand where you are coming from because I have struggled with this for so many years. And what is happening in the church is no surprise to me. And back one of the reasons why I left going to church is because of people like Rick Warren, and others who I knew were not who they say they were. I went to a large evangelical mega church for 10 to 12 years and at first I bought into all of it.. it was fun. It was encouraging. It was like going to the Oprah show. It made church fun again. But after a few years, something felt off. It felt superficial. Then when our son came out to us, I tried to seek help from the head pastors, and from other ministries within the church. Nothing. They just refused to discuss the subject. I went online and did my own research. I met other Christian parents who were going through the same thing.. Some of them left churches, they have been attending for generations. They no longer felt welcome. Some of them felt shame and embarrassment, and just left on their own. So you had the C of Christian parents of LGBTQ youth, who didn’t know what to do, didn’t know where to turn, got absolutely no support. They were like lost atsea. For some of them, church was a big part up their life. All of their friends attended their church. Many of their social engagements involved the church. I am not arguing with one thing you are saying and I’m not going to enter a debate about whether or not sexuality is sin. I can read. I know what it says in the Bible. I don’t think there has been a day that has gone by in 15+ years that I haven’t thought about this issue and wrestled with it in my head and my heart. Now, while I haven’t been to church in many many years and wasn’t aware of some of the current ministries that have sprung up to “help” parents, I have been aware of the infiltration of the left-wing Democratic ideology. You don’t have to attend church to know what is happening in our culture is also happening in our churches. You don’t have to be a scholar or an elite to recognize wolves in sheep’s clothing. And my suspicions turned out correct because all these years later, not only our pastors talking about LGBTQ issues some of them are condoning them. That is not what I wanted from a church. I didn’t want a church to tell me that homosexuality was OK. I also didn’t want a church to say “your child is going to hell and get as far away from him as possible“. Neither of those scenarios are helpful. Yes God said there would be struggles in the world, and he should be put first and all matters. Whenever I get into these discussions online or with others in my social circles I always ask this question. What would you do if your child came out to you? Most people can’t answer this question. Most Christians, who are firm believers that homosexuality is a sin say that they would not support or condone this, and they would be upfront and honest with their child. When asked what they would do if their child said well, if you don’t accept me, then I’m not in your life or if you can’t be civil to my partner for Christmas. Very few Christians have answered the question directly because we all have this fairytale version of what family should be and no one wants to be the mean person. That is not saying that I do not know any Christians who have prodigal children who they are not in current relationship with. But most of the Christians I know who have LGBTQ children still struggle with the balance of their beliefs and love for their child. I know from listening to these discussions frequently on Podcasts that most of you Christians will say it wouldn’t be a struggle for you because you hold onto your beliefs dearly, regardless of your child’s choices. But I’m here to tell you, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you don’t really know. When your child is sobbing in your arms, fearful that you are kicking them out of the family they dearly love, and you start telling them they are sinners and they need to change their ways, and you see their anguish and their torment, and they’re questioning why God made them that way (because when they’re young and coming out, that’s the only thing they can think of to say) and you are sobbing right along with them because life as you know it is about to change… then come talk to me. I’m not here to say that you change your convictions or you disobey God and start accepting homosexuality just because your kid comes out. But Facing this as a Christian parent is devastating no matter how strong your convictions are. So to all those who just simply say, homosexuality is a sin and do not accept it even in your own child, and to those who say well, the Bible doesn’t really mean that and it’s OK to be affirming and excepting… that is just one extreme to another and not very helpful. You have many many many many many many more than you could ever know Christian parents who struggle with this daily, some have left the church. Some of their church has turned their back on them, some have left Christianity altogether not just the church. None of the solutions that any of the experts have provided have been very helpful.. I watch these podcasts and I read all the comments I rarely ever hear from any of you who have dealt with this issue personally. Where are you? I know you’re out there.
Heterosexuality is a sin. Angels left their first estate to fornicate. One Gospel: Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
I'm so sorry it has been so excruciatingly painful for you....I would struggle the same. My children are not walking with Christ either...our daughter struggles with alcohol.So painful when our children aren't following yet❤❤❤
She clearly says that being an unrepentant queer will cause you to go to hell. This is a nonnegotiable issue for salvation for her. Why have her on your show? do you believe this too as you never stopped her?
4:30 So you're upset that a man wore a dress.. this is what you're worrying about? This is so pitiful, a people are seriously getting all hot and bothered over something so mundane. Our faith is based on a man in a dress if you don't remember 5:50 You're upset that a character is called by the correct pronouns? What are we going to start calling Bart Simpson she because the actor is really a woman. Does anyone here have a theory of mind? 7:00 I'm always so perplexed by these Christians who someone think that "the secular world" is coherent entitity that they have no relationship to. America is majority Christian, you are a part of the broader society, any thing you don't like about the culture also happens inside the church. There is not ""INFILTRATION"". The church is a part of American culture, this is not some gated community we're all already in contact. Pretending like there's some divide is silly and it's a dishonest way of denying your own responsibility and participation in the problem. 10:25 Casually conflating homophobia with Christianity itself. The egos on these people. Cope and seethe, Queer people are not going away, Queer Christians are not going away.
First comes tolerance then acceptance then RECRUITMENT! The devil has had 6000 years to perfect his technique! When he tempts you the only answer is an instant and unrelenting NO! No discussion! No exceptions! No excuses!
Are you aware that a small portion of this is muted? RUclips muting perhaps? Perhaps that’s because I’m in Canada. 🙄 God bless you both for speaking out.
Yes, yes, that's nice dear Who are you going to fight? You're fellow Christians? If only Paul had written Romans 14.. and then we would know not to do that.
Their approach seems to be like the terrible process of slowly boiling tbe frog in.the pot. The poor frog doesn't realize what's happening until it's too late.
Of course the Christian perspective and teaching on people born LGBTQ is basically we should SELF DENY in order to save our souls. I agree with SELF DENIAL. To control ourselves and not to be a slave to the Flesh. The spirit should be the dominant part. I am a staunch Catholic . Interesting discussion. Thanks. God bless
I’m in the PCA and you pointed to the PCA and the Revoice but you did not state each Tim that the PCA delt with this issue and told these churches that they are to confess and repent of this or leave the PCA. or we (PCA) will remove you. these churches left the PCA. The PCA is working diligently to keep biblical focused and keep this out
@@margaretturrubiartes8134 Thank you for your comment. I wonder why pastors voted against the changes that would help to fence this false teaching out. It seems the church members are more concerned than the pastors are about the possible schism this brings about. Many denominations have been destroyed who went down this road. Interestingly, African churches have stood their ground b/c aids has demolished their countries and left thousands of orphans roaming the streets in hunger 🌿
Oh yeah! See Now. That's just the problem, isn't it!?. We're to walk on eggshells and make sure you don't hear it gives a cracking sound. While they always trampled upon our bed and even our dinner 🍽️ tables . With Iron Boots heal. Sin is sweet, but we remember God ‼️,Lot's Wife and Sodom and Gomorrah left in Ashes ⚱️.
I dont think our small churches are as at as much a target for these type activities because small churches are not a large enough source to have a broader influence. Churches should stick with the Bible. If they do that deliberately, these false teachings will not take hold.
Any church you attend, show respect. It is a house of God. If you don’t like the teaching, find ONE that HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT. The TEACHER is the Holy Spirit.
Lawyers told Jesus that He had insulted them. Jesus did not apologize but listed their sins in detail. "One of the lawyers *said to Him in reply, “Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too.” 46 But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! .... " Luke 11:45 + (NASB) Instead of churches harming them, many LGBTQ were shamed on hearing that they were indulging their temptations. Churches need to let society know what sin is. They won't learn it from other cultural sources.
God destroyed at least 2 towns because they weren't hospitable enough? One could call grown men wanting to force themselves upon Lots guests and then saying they will treat Lot worse if he doesn't allow them to do what they want not being hospitable enough, but I'd call it something else.
To Amy Grant. Loving the way Jesus loves is not accommodating damnable sins. If you hate someone you will not tell them the truth. It takes boldness and courage to stand on sound doctrine firmly and declare it.
These two are just whiners, they want people to agree with them without doing any of the work required to convince people. It's lazy, it's sociological armchair politics.
There are a lot of problems within TGC. It would not be wise to blindly trust what they say.
Romans 1 explained perfectly what’s happening today in the world especially in our churches.
Becket Cook’s show on RUclips is a great resource since he left the gay lifestyle and shares a wonderful personal testimony 🙏🏼
Yes!
Really enjoy listening to Becket Cooks podcasts he was touched by Jesus and truly changed. He still has friend's that are gay but can't be in the gay lifestyle anymore . He is a very brave soul to come out the truth way .
He is still attracted to men. He admits it. He doesn’t desire it.
There needs to be a segment on one of these podcasts dedicated to people who've been negatively impacted by the LGBTQIA++ movement!
I've had a dear one who died from AIDS after telling me he knew 10 people who had died. He was a precious young boy who seduced by an older man.
Jaw dropping episode. Thanks both Josh and Megan
Josh, this does NOT have enough views or likes...such important material.
Correct! I agree. This video isn’t “accepting” or validating for people’s beloved sins or vices.
Thank God it doesn't have enough views. This is hate!😢
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What do you find hateful about it?
I left the sin of homosexuality in 2009. And I used to attack Christians. That word LOVE is thrown out there to confuse.. yes Jesus loves ALL, and that’s why He died for ALL. Cleaned of our sins. Sexual immorality including homosexual is sin. Pastors are not teaching Biblical truth on this. I’ve experienced it. I lived with a woman 18 years. And I praise God that my youngest son and the church youth pastors prayed for me. It’s a long story people are just writing books but what about the main book. The Bible, answers are there ❤
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So what happened to you in 2009? It must have been traumatic.
@@myriamferrer271I'm so thankful that you surrender your life to God. I have a daughter that is in that lifestyle. She walked away from God years ago. My prayer is she will come back to God. God bless you and my you stand strong in your faith and relationship with Christ.
This is very sad to me, as a deconstructed Christian I see this as delusional, and based upon magical claims of the impossible, and seeing these claims as supportive of a mythical, “objective truth” meta narrative that is truly based upon an archaic view of the natural world. I hope you realize you were hoodwinked by a cult.
Welcome home, God bless you. ✝️
Excellent information. Thank you!
The AP Style Guide says to use trans pronouns so a Christian reporter is going to do that for a Christian publication? Why? Unbelievable.
🎉 this whole thing is amazing. I'm so grateful that you're able to blow the lid on it I'm looking and watching with my heart breaking and healing at the same time😊
Excellent conversation, well done!
All they're doing is complaining about how they can't keep people on their side, it's a whine of impotence.
The weight and breadth of this is really just hit me and the reality of what is at stake. As well as the compromises as well as consequences
As a Catholic, thank you so much for reporting on this.🕊️
I really respect Churches who stand up for what they believe and are willing to excommunicate people, no matter how much we love them, when they habitually go forward in manifest grave sin. They just bring so many people down with them otherwise.
The Catholic Church doesn't do it. We are hypocrites in that way. How come it's so easy to forget Jesus loving enough to say, " go and sin no more."
None of us learn in life( generally,) without suffering. Then we self examine when a good is taken away due to our behavior. Everyone has a cross to bear, but God is strong enough to transform us.
Thank God. God have mercy on me a sinner.
Luke 18:8 “…when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”
Wonderful -so important for people to hear and absorb--thank you Megan!!
My daughter is claiming gay and is almost 19 years old.
She has brought her special girl home
I showed her and the other girl Patty Height’s story and anger and closing of the ear was the result to this.
My heart is sad but I give both of them to God and pray for enlightenment!
I continue to tell her I love her as Rosario suggested and then pray.
This is such an important message for the church. Thank you!
Dont church members and deacons have the responsibility to discern if the preaching, teaching and beliefs are based on biblical scriptures and if not to dismiss those pastors or teachers out of the church?? So if a pastor allows these false teachings to occur then it is the resonsibility of the deacons and members to dismiss that pastor.
Exactly this. But as said in this video, they are so sneaky and insidious about it that many don't realise until it's too late.
@@KarenLott-h1mGoogle Pilgrim Lutheran that is Walz church.
I think it is possible to be a Christian and be deceived about lifestyle. I read Jennifer Knapp's Facing The Music. I have a friend who used to go to my Theologically Conservative Church and taught my Sunday School Class for 6 wks about 8 years. 4 yrs ago, he decided he is gay. He is a local celebrity. His work and new gay lifestyle became well known. In the past few weeks to a month he has recently suffered a major blow professionally.
I would think that most people would say that murder is a sin and that no one would allow that sin to occur in our churches. So why wouldnt the same action happen with any sin?
Too many are falling for the lie that the behavior is not a sin.
Christians who have kids or grandkids that are homosexual often turn away from Biblical teaching b/c they don’t have the wisdom to reconcile these divergent poles. More testimonies from homosexuals who found healing need to be shared, taught, learn how God worked to change their hearts❤and orientation
@@mbcraig2 I had a church group for parents of children or family members who are homosexuals. God transformed me and because of my own personal experiences with the life I lived and my parents, I was able to help parents cope and deal with issues about the Bible..
How can a pastor not know what is going on in his church?
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Truth!
This is very good to know about and to know to deal with it.
Thank you! I had to make the painful decision to leave the Episcopal Church because of the Prediding Bishop and Episcopal Council to not only embrace homosexual members, then progress to ordaining same sex marriage, to eventually ordaining practicing homosexual Priests and Bishops. It broke my heart to walk away from all of the people I loved in my church. God guided me to a church that is part of the Calvary Chapel ministry and part of the MARANATHA movement. I am always praying for the discernment of the Holy Spirit regarding everything in my life from now on.
What's that new god that you invented there called? The one that preaches hate against people who are different from you? ;-)
Have a hunch this may be part of the upheaval at IHOP
Among other controversies and misconduct
Wow, excellent. So important that we carefully investigate the churches we join
Yeah, we should investigate churches to see if they truly love everyone and don't spout hypocritical stuff.
When my parents retired and moved they seriously went to over 100 churches before they found the right one! ❤
We need to investigate churches to make sure they are following the word of God.
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@@yashjoseph3544 why not investigate your heart? People want pastors to preach to accommodate them. But when sin is preached and it convicts you then the church is criticized. Well the church is like a hospital with many diseases. We want a cure, but when we don’t get it we get a second, third or fourth and so on opinions. But we don’t find the cure because the cure is in the Great Physician Jesus Christ. And if you keep jumping from one church to another it’s because you are not looking for the the One and only true Christ, you’re looking for a church to accommodate your sin, your not willing to surrender your life. There’s no good church, they all have problems but it’s up to you to focus in His word
Josh, I need to say that you have your finger on the pulse… And so does Megan Basham. I've been following this issue with certain people close up. The plausible deniability is surely exhausting… And I never get straight answers when I push for them they need to be held accountable.
Sadly, the international Salvation Army has implemented rules that support LGBT policy!
Even their “churches” are forced to have representatives to monitor that these instructions are kept! The ruling comes from their top bureaucrats! In Australia it has had a huge impact on attendances!
It's funny to use the word "infiltration" when we have been there all along.
As Ryan Turnipseed has rightly said in Chronicles, faithful Trinitarian Christians of all stripes have more in common than the liberals within their respective denominations. Above all, let us not fall because of rancorous doctrinal dispute, thereby letting the wolves feast on our corpses.
Turnipseed is a pretty open white supremacist. Shouldn’t Christians work to rebuke sinful partiality? Or are the gays the only ones that you care to rebuke?
Trinitarianism is NOT what should unite Christians but JESUS CHRIST should be the ONLY foundation that unites us. That means faith in him alone and recognising him as the Head of the Church and our ONLY authority is the WORD OF GOD.
@@rosemerrynmcmillan1611 Nor did I, nor did he, say that, exactly. Even in pretending to be for unity, you choose the language of confrontation.
I almost ordered her book but when I saw how she was unfair to Gavin Ortlund I didn't. She needs to retract what she wrote about him in her book! She took him out of context and basically lied! Sad she did this on a fellow Christian brother!
The Amy Grant case is interesting. When she received a Kennedy Center Honor for her music all the lefties in the music world showed up to praise her. This was shortly after she came out as supportive of LGBTQ issues. And Amy has not been mainstream in the pop music world for decades. I remember a time when her views were conservative and she was the darling of the CCM industry.
What availeth it a man...
Grant was always a relatively shallow Christian. I saw her in 1983 at my Christian college and saw a lot of problems even back then. Her ultimate apostasy didn’t surprise me.
Great! Finally! New young voices are rising up! "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings!". Many translations came out of the Gnostic Gospels! When the Hebrew oral tradition written on Scrolls, then in print, the Gnostics who translated scripture picked and choose things that suited their Philosophy. Easy test! The Bibles who leave out many Scriptures on the Holy Spirit compared to the King James Versions lay out! Even compare KEY Scriptures too!
Now there is the drag queen, Flamy Grant.
@@keithwilson6060 I wish I'd known that. I feel like many of us Christian parents searching for contemporary Christian music for our tweens & teens were betrayed or taken in.
Evangelicals made her rich, then she basically abandoned the faith when she chased after & eventually married another man & left her children heartbroken... her husband had his problems, but many of us women had difficult marriages, but held onto Jesus & our integrity.
She's laughed in interviews about how unhappy all of the children are in her wedding photos.... so heartless❤❤❤
No, they have always been in the church trying to believe, but the church beats up on them and shames them.
Methodist churches are going independent or joining a new denomination, Global Methodist, but even that is still based in the US. The United Methodist Churches outside the US have faced extreme racism and paternalism from the US Methodists bishops. Its incredibly disappointing and also expected.
My family is Methodist. This is beyond sad 😢.
The new Global Methodist group still ordains women, which is theological poison. They will be in the same condition as the UMC within 10 years.
@@keithwilson6060 Oh hush, moral sexism doesn't make your faith more pure.
Thk u two !!
These two are just whiners, they want people to agree with them without doing any of the work required to convince people.
It's lazy, it's sociological armchair politics.
Great job Megan
She's a simple bigot.
Well done 🎉
I'm trying to share this - I hit the share button - and youtube sends me to a Universal Studios ad. 🤔
As a parent-- we were recently asked ' as a parent,why/ how can stand Biblically?'-- the answer I give-- 'how can we love our child, if we don't want for him what God wants for him-- to repent, to turn back to God and God's will/ plan fir his life?'! For him to be outside of God's will and continue on the path and to affirm it would not be loving!
Never forget-- this is a spiritual battle! Stand firm, and keep praying!
If you fall-- so will your child-- eternally
God made your child Queer.
You can't try to break your child away from the way God made them without breaking them.
Get over yourselves.
Could this be the foundation for the first horse of the apocalypse with its rider conquering with a bow (rainbow) without arrows?
Yes, you are definitely sounding like a mad person here. :-)
This is my first time here. I saw Megan on Becket Cooks show the other day so was happy to see her on your show. Great show. I’ll definitely start following you.
Pastors have the responsibility to bring in the sermon the fact that if we don’t repent from our sins we will go to Hell .
The church mistakes love for deception.
“It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error.” Don’t back down. God cannot be mocked. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life” John 14:6
Another great interview! As a member of the Daily Wire it's right up my alley.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m also a member of Daily Wire. I love their content.
Lack of sound doctrine leads to false doctrine.
We are not going to address this subject means we are going to ignore what God condemns.
Important, but give us the skills on how to stand up, and stand biblically. I understand in love, but I don’t know how
@@1Quebert1 Keep standing tall and yes also Prayers. Listen to the cry of our children going through this. Let’s bring God back to our schools. Keep in the word and ask God for wisdom.. the enemy will put fear and doubts. ❤️
Josh, I want to say that you are absolutely correct. The bulk of evangelical churches are not inhospitable to LGBTQ people who come to visit...And yes, Megan is correct in that this is being used as a wedge or hammer to open the door...
That has not been my experience.
That's cute, walk into a standard Southern Baptist church with an Earring sometime and then get back to me.
Josh Megan Basham just appeared on Andrew Klavan’s channel to sell her book. Klavan has a gay married son and supports homosexuality and gay marriage. Let’s follow the money and see who is compromising. Does Megan have a chapter on herself? Ironic.
Governor Walz wrote into law he will take your kid and transition him without parental consent.
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OK, watched this twice and have been dealing with this issue for 15 years. So what do you tell Christian parents of LGBTQ children? I left the church 10+ years ago for this very reason. Back then, crickets. I knew I wasn’t the only parent facing this. What did I get from my church and several others that I tried to get help from? Silence. Sympathy.. Or simply. It’s a sin, don’t condone it and you don’t have to accept your child’s sin, his partner or attend his wedding in the future. (at the time my son was only 17 so that wasn’t even an issue yet.). So then what…kick my child out of the house? Never speak to him again? Pretend I didn’t carry him in my womb for nine months and bring him into this world? Again, love the sinner, not the sin. Useless platitudes. So I wasn’t aware that there were any type of ministries to help parents because I have been away from church for so many years, and for that I am thankful. However, I completely understand where you are coming from because I have struggled with this for so many years. And what is happening in the church is no surprise to me. in fact one of the reasons why I left going to church is because of people like Rick Warren, and others who I knew were not who they say they were. I went to a large evangelical mega church for 10 to 12 years and at first I bought into all of it.. it was fun. It was encouraging. It was like going to the Oprah show. It made church fun again. But after a few years, something felt off. It felt superficial. Then when our son came out to us, I tried to seek help from the head pastors, and from other ministries within the church. Nothing. They just refused to discuss the subject. I went online and did my own research. I met other Christian parents who were going through the same thing.. Some of them left churches, they have been attending for generations. They no longer felt welcome. Some of them felt shame and embarrassment, and just left on their own. So you had Christian parents of LGBTQ youth, who didn’t know what to do, didn’t know where to turn, got absolutely no support. They were like lost at sea. For some of them, church was a big part up their life. All of their friends attended their church. Many of their social engagements involved the church. They lost all of that.
I am not arguing with one thing you are saying and I’m not going to enter a debate about whether or not homosexuality is sin. I can read. I know what it says in the Bible. I don’t think there has been a day that has gone by in 15+ years that I haven’t thought about this issue and wrestled with it in my head and my heart. Now, while I haven’t been to church in many many years and wasn’t aware of some of the current ministries that have sprung up to “help” parents, I have been aware of the infiltration of the left-wing Democratic ideology. You don’t have to attend church to know what is happening in our culture is also happening in our churches. You don’t have to be a scholar or an elite to recognize wolves in sheep’s clothing. And my suspicions turned out correct because all these years later, not only are pastors talking about LGBTQ issues some of them are condoning them. That is not what I wanted from a church. I didn’t want a church to tell me that homosexuality was OK. I also didn’t want a church to say “your child is going to hell and get as far away from him as possible“. Neither of those scenarios are helpful. Yes God said there would be struggles in the world, and He should be put first and all matters.
Whenever I get into these discussions online or with others in my social circles I always ask this question. What would you do if your child came out to you? Most people can’t answer this question. Most Christians, who are firm believers that homosexuality is a sin believe that they would not support or condone this, and they would be upfront and honest with their child. They would be wrong. I’ve seen it time and time again in hundreds of Christian parents. When asked what they would do if their child said well, if you don’t accept me, then I’m not in your life or if you can’t be civil to my partner for Christmas. Very few Christians have answered the question directly because we all have this fairytale version of what family should be and no one wants to be the mean person. That is not saying that I do not know any Christians who have prodigal children who they are not in current relationship with. But most of the Christians I know who have LGBTQ children still struggle with the balance of their beliefs and love for their child. I know from listening to these discussions frequently on Podcasts that most Christians will say it wouldn’t be a struggle for you because you hold onto your beliefs dearly, regardless of your child’s choices. But I’m here to tell you, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you don’t really know. When your child is sobbing in your arms, fearful that you are kicking them out of the family they dearly love, and you start telling them they are sinners and they need to change their ways, and you see their anguish and their torment, and they’re questioning why God made them that way (because when they’re young and coming out, that’s the only thing they can think of to say) and you are sobbing right along with them because life as you know it is about to change… then come talk to me. I’m not here to say that you change your convictions or you disobey God and start accepting homosexuality just because your kid comes out. But Facing this as a Christian parent is devastating no matter how strong your convictions are. So to all those who just simply say, homosexuality is a sin and do not accept it even in your own child, and to those who say well, the Bible doesn’t really mean that and it’s OK to be affirming and accepting… that is just one extreme to another and not very helpful. You have many many many many many many more than you could ever know Christian parents who struggle with this daily, some have left the church. Some of their churches turned their back on them, some have left Christianity altogether not just the church. None of the solutions that any of the experts have provided have been very helpful.. I watch these podcasts and I read all the comments I rarely ever hear from any of you who have dealt with this issue personally. Where are you? I know you’re out there.
Meanwhile, we Christian parents of LGBTQ children sit at the crossroads while all of you discuss this and none of you have gay children. Now, of course I’m generalizing here because I have come across a few of these discussions where someone actually does have a gay or trans child. But usually those people are Advocating for acceptance and inclusion. They’ve gone way to the other side in convincing us that ‘the Bible doesn’t really mean it’s a sin…or that it’s referring to rape, etc. I’ve yet to hear a podcast by someone who is strong in their beliefs and convictions, but has a gay child and is struggling with all of it. Usually the people speaking out about this have made up their minds, one side or the other. This is just a reminder that hey there’s a lot of confusion around this issue and people who are dealing with this daily basis are out here dancing in the wind while you all are stating your cases.
I mean no disrespect to the podcaster or his guest and realize that my words may come across a bit harsh. Partially contributed to the fact that I am voice texting and the emotion is coming through my voice . Also I apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors as I am voice texting. Thank you for listening and I would love anyone’s thoughts on what I’ve written.
I am so sorry you're going through this and I can hear the pain in your words. My heart aches for you. I have only one adult child and truly have no idea how I would handle your situation. The love we have for our children cannot be measured. I pray for clergy to open their eyes and hearts to hear the parents cries and anguish and not turn away from you. I pray God will give you wisdom and guidance to deal with all you're going through. He knows how much you love your child. May He give you answers quickly and comfort you completely.
@@ellenweisberger3020 Thank you for your kind words and your prayers. They mean more to me than you can imagine. I love my son as we all love our children. At the same time I want to be obedient to God and I fear letting my support of my son go against God’s will. In the end all I can do is model unconditional love and God’s grace and pray that He knows my heart is in the right place.
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Family is a mother and father legally married in the eyes of God. A marriage is between a man and woman.
Wow! I can feel your pain and the anguish on this topic. You have had to live it. We are living in a world where one’s sexuality has become one’s whole identity. None of the nine+ major world religions that I am aware of agree with LGBTQ ideologies. With Christianity only representing one of those. At the same time Faith communities need to be more inclusive, supportive and loving but also not sell their souls in the process and change scripture that has withstood the test of time.
I believe a lot of answers will become known as we learn more and more about this subject. There is more and more evidence that young women are entering puberty earlier and earlier these days which tells me there’s an environmental component in our water and food supply but of course, nothing is conclusive. How many birth control pills have been flushed down the drain? I am certainly not saying that this is the sole cause of all this, but I think it’s part of the problem.
There are a few interesting books by a doctor called Dr Leonard Sax on gender, which touch on these subjects, but also cover a lot of other fascinating information that teachers and parents really need to know about their children. His conclusions are more backed up by research and not just opinion and hearsay. 100 years from now our future families will look back at this time and shake their heads and probably have a very different attitude.
Heterosexual people of Faith also need to practice chastity, and our sexuality is only one small part of our life. For some of this has become their entire identity.
Many have thrown the baby out with the bathwater and this has ripped apart, congregations and faith communities all over. I pray that you will find some solace in this issue. I did lose a good friend who could not stay in our community because his grandchild came out as gay. Nothing that I said or did, but he just couldn’t get there or even discuss it. Again, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not always the best solution for all concerned.
Love and appreciate Megan. Wish more men would do this work.
What material Christians need to study is only one book and that book is the word of god, the Bible.
It would be nice to have heard more of what your guest had to say.
When someone says GOD....ask them to define which one.😮
Megan has brought up some legitimate concerns about Northpoint and Saddleback church, and Embracing the Journey specifically. However, when she basically lumps Greg Johnson of Revoice into the same category, by misrepresenting what he actually says in his book, then it becomes apparent that Megan is doing more harm than good here. Blowing the whistle on legitimate compromises is not license to bear false witness against another believer.
If you haven't noticed, the main response of Evangelical "leaders" to falling income from dwindling churchgoers is to steal them from other congregations. They stoop so low as to accuse each other of apostasy to get their numbers up. The greed driven business model is on full display. :-)
Just said NOT to the Devil and he will flee because you have the power the Lord gave you.
The culture is going this way because the churches were already going this way because pastors were going this way. Culture goes the way of the church. We see these problems in the culture because the foundation for the problem was already in the church. The full blown lies may not have been in the churches but the foundation for those lies to built on were laid by the church. We have problems with our theology in our churches because our pastors have holes in their theology. Case in point: the current controversy with Alistair Begg
I have and experienced in California in 2000 and I remembered I feel so empty and Father show my face while I was sinning and i said NO and the demon let me alone the emptiness was so deeply that I can really explain it.
Praise the Lord Jesus...The messiah.
NOT MEAN NOT.
Any tithing member of a church should be able to ask for and see who the church has ties with.
Hi Christ followers, read your Bible daily, walk in the spirit and aways pray for The discernment !
Amen!
Pray for discernment and really listen to what is being said.
I don't think they're embarrassed about being targeted, I believe everything is about nickels and noses!! 😡
OK, watched this twice and have been dealing with this issue for 15 years. So what do you tell Christian parents of LGBTQ children? I left the church 10+ years ago for this very reason. Back then, crickets. I knew I wasn’t the only parent facing this. What did I get for my church and several Walthers that I tried to get help from Silence. Sympathy.. Or simply. It’s a sin, don’t condone it and you don’t have to accept your child’s sin, his partner or attend his wedding in the future. (at the time my son was only 17 so that wasn’t even an issue yet.). So then what…kick my child out of the house? Never speak to him again? Pretend I didn’t carry him in my womb for nine months and bring him into this world? Again, love the sinner, not the sin. Useless platitudes. So I wasn’t aware that there were any type of ministries to help parents and for that I am thankful. However, I completely understand where you are coming from because I have struggled with this for so many years. And what is happening in the church is no surprise to me. And back one of the reasons why I left going to church is because of people like Rick Warren, and others who I knew were not who they say they were. I went to a large evangelical mega church for 10 to 12 years and at first I bought into all of it.. it was fun. It was encouraging. It was like going to the Oprah show. It made church fun again. But after a few years, something felt off. It felt superficial. Then when our son came out to us, I tried to seek help from the head pastors, and from other ministries within the church. Nothing. They just refused to discuss the subject. I went online and did my own research. I met other Christian parents who were going through the same thing.. Some of them left churches, they have been attending for generations. They no longer felt welcome. Some of them felt shame and embarrassment, and just left on their own. So you had the C of Christian parents of LGBTQ youth, who didn’t know what to do, didn’t know where to turn, got absolutely no support. They were like lost atsea. For some of them, church was a big part up their life. All of their friends attended their church. Many of their social engagements involved the church.
I am not arguing with one thing you are saying and I’m not going to enter a debate about whether or not sexuality is sin. I can read. I know what it says in the Bible. I don’t think there has been a day that has gone by in 15+ years that I haven’t thought about this issue and wrestled with it in my head and my heart. Now, while I haven’t been to church in many many years and wasn’t aware of some of the current ministries that have sprung up to “help” parents, I have been aware of the infiltration of the left-wing Democratic ideology. You don’t have to attend church to know what is happening in our culture is also happening in our churches. You don’t have to be a scholar or an elite to recognize wolves in sheep’s clothing. And my suspicions turned out correct because all these years later, not only our pastors talking about LGBTQ issues some of them are condoning them. That is not what I wanted from a church. I didn’t want a church to tell me that homosexuality was OK. I also didn’t want a church to say “your child is going to hell and get as far away from him as possible“. Neither of those scenarios are helpful. Yes God said there would be struggles in the world, and he should be put first and all matters.
Whenever I get into these discussions online or with others in my social circles I always ask this question. What would you do if your child came out to you? Most people can’t answer this question. Most Christians, who are firm believers that homosexuality is a sin say that they would not support or condone this, and they would be upfront and honest with their child. When asked what they would do if their child said well, if you don’t accept me, then I’m not in your life or if you can’t be civil to my partner for Christmas. Very few Christians have answered the question directly because we all have this fairytale version of what family should be and no one wants to be the mean person. That is not saying that I do not know any Christians who have prodigal children who they are not in current relationship with. But most of the Christians I know who have LGBTQ children still struggle with the balance of their beliefs and love for their child. I know from listening to these discussions frequently on Podcasts that most of you Christians will say it wouldn’t be a struggle for you because you hold onto your beliefs dearly, regardless of your child’s choices. But I’m here to tell you, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes you don’t really know. When your child is sobbing in your arms, fearful that you are kicking them out of the family they dearly love, and you start telling them they are sinners and they need to change their ways, and you see their anguish and their torment, and they’re questioning why God made them that way (because when they’re young and coming out, that’s the only thing they can think of to say) and you are sobbing right along with them because life as you know it is about to change… then come talk to me. I’m not here to say that you change your convictions or you disobey God and start accepting homosexuality just because your kid comes out. But Facing this as a Christian parent is devastating no matter how strong your convictions are. So to all those who just simply say, homosexuality is a sin and do not accept it even in your own child, and to those who say well, the Bible doesn’t really mean that and it’s OK to be affirming and excepting… that is just one extreme to another and not very helpful. You have many many many many many many more than you could ever know Christian parents who struggle with this daily, some have left the church. Some of their church has turned their back on them, some have left Christianity altogether not just the church. None of the solutions that any of the experts have provided have been very helpful.. I watch these podcasts and I read all the comments I rarely ever hear from any of you who have dealt with this issue personally. Where are you? I know you’re out there.
Heterosexuality is a sin.
Angels left their first estate to fornicate.
One Gospel:
Gospel (GOOD ANGEL) of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
They need to be told the truth Roman's 1
Thank you for sharing your story and sharing your pain just as Christ carried His cross
I'm so sorry it has been so excruciatingly painful for you....I would struggle the same. My children are not walking with Christ either...our daughter struggles with alcohol.So painful when our children aren't following yet❤❤❤
@@ritabrandow1318 They don’t listen and I can’t change that. I hope in God‘s time they do. always praying.
She clearly says that being an unrepentant queer will cause you to go to hell. This is a nonnegotiable issue for salvation for her. Why have her on your show? do you believe this too as you never stopped her?
We're all going to hell unless we repent and turn away from our sins.
Being unrepentant anything puts you in the firing line.
It's not love to lead someone to HELL! And if you do you're going there yourself!😮
4:30
So you're upset that a man wore a dress.. this is what you're worrying about?
This is so pitiful, a people are seriously getting all hot and bothered over something so mundane.
Our faith is based on a man in a dress if you don't remember
5:50
You're upset that a character is called by the correct pronouns?
What are we going to start calling Bart Simpson she because the actor is really a woman. Does anyone here have a theory of mind?
7:00
I'm always so perplexed by these Christians who someone think that "the secular world" is coherent entitity that they have no relationship to.
America is majority Christian, you are a part of the broader society, any thing you don't like about the culture also happens inside the church.
There is not ""INFILTRATION"". The church is a part of American culture, this is not some gated community we're all already in contact.
Pretending like there's some divide is silly and it's a dishonest way of denying your own responsibility and participation in the problem.
10:25
Casually conflating homophobia with Christianity itself.
The egos on these people.
Cope and seethe, Queer people are not going away, Queer Christians are not going away.
Couldn’t agree more, I second everything you’ve said
Welcome to the fight. Been fighting this battle since 1977 in TEC.
What exactly does evangelical mean anyway???
If you dont stand for something, you'll fall for anything...
First comes tolerance then acceptance then RECRUITMENT! The devil has had 6000 years to perfect his technique! When he tempts you the only answer is an instant and unrelenting NO! No discussion! No exceptions! No excuses!
Are you aware that a small portion of this is muted? RUclips muting perhaps? Perhaps that’s because I’m in Canada. 🙄
God bless you both for speaking out.
I asked youtube to mute their hate and they did it!!!
@@amandabusch704censors are never the good guys.
What's purity culture in this context?
I would not be surprised if Andy Stanley comes out. As gay
This is not about inclusivity. We are taught to love ❤️
This is about marketing for more Money 💰
The Bible tells us to contend for the faith. This means fight. The attack never stops and won't stop until Jesus Christ comes again.
Yes, yes, that's nice dear
Who are you going to fight? You're fellow Christians?
If only Paul had written Romans 14.. and then we would know not to do that.
Their approach seems to be like the terrible process of slowly boiling tbe frog in.the pot. The poor frog doesn't realize what's happening until it's too late.
Of course the Christian perspective and teaching on people born LGBTQ is basically we should SELF DENY in order to save our souls. I agree with SELF DENIAL. To control ourselves and not to be a slave to the Flesh. The spirit should be the dominant part. I am a staunch Catholic . Interesting discussion. Thanks. God bless
God says it's a abomination.
I’m in the PCA and you pointed to the PCA and the Revoice but you did not state each Tim that the PCA delt with this issue and told these churches that they are to confess and repent of this or leave the PCA. or we (PCA) will remove you. these churches left the PCA. The PCA is working diligently to keep biblical focused and keep this out
@@margaretturrubiartes8134 Thank you for your comment. I wonder why pastors voted against the changes that would help to fence this false teaching out. It seems the church members are more concerned than the pastors are about the possible schism this brings about. Many denominations have been destroyed who went down this road. Interestingly, African churches have stood their ground b/c aids has demolished their countries and left thousands of orphans roaming the streets in hunger 🌿
FALSE. The PCA General Assembly REFUSED to exercise discipline.
Saddleback mountain. 🤠
Oh yeah! See Now. That's just the problem, isn't it!?.
We're to walk on eggshells and make sure you don't hear it gives a cracking sound. While they always trampled upon our bed and even our dinner 🍽️ tables . With Iron Boots heal.
Sin is sweet, but we remember God ‼️,Lot's Wife and Sodom and Gomorrah left in Ashes ⚱️.
6:04 Dove Awards is apostate!
I dont think our small churches are as at as much a target for these type activities because small churches are not a large enough source to have a broader influence. Churches should stick with the Bible. If they do that deliberately, these false teachings will not take hold.
A small church does it in our small town
All of that LGBT stuff is back on Saddleback's website.
Great work, you two.
Any church you attend, show respect. It is a house of God. If you don’t like the teaching, find ONE that HAS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The TEACHER is the Holy Spirit.
Pastors should be experts in the word of God,the only book we need that can be used for teaching correction and everything else
Andy Stanley has sold out and he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Naw he’s just a wolf .
So are Kenneth Copeland, Jesse DePlantis and Benny Hinn
He's on his way to Hell and leading many people there.
Where is the saying of love the sinner and hate the sin gone?? God hates sin. And we should strive to act like Jesus, God.
That doesn't mean acceptance.
Lawyers told Jesus that He had insulted them. Jesus did not apologize but listed their sins in detail.
"One of the lawyers *said to Him in reply, “Teacher, when You say this, You insult us too.” 46 But He said, “Woe to you lawyers as well! .... " Luke 11:45 + (NASB)
Instead of churches harming them, many LGBTQ were shamed on hearing that they were indulging their temptations.
Churches need to let society know what sin is. They won't learn it from other cultural sources.
Jesus said judge not, rather to love.
Self-righteous aren't we.
People don't listen to loons and cult leaders either.
You're not an infallible God, you're a feeble human.
God destroyed at least 2 towns because they weren't hospitable enough?
One could call grown men wanting to force themselves upon Lots guests and then saying they will treat Lot worse if he doesn't allow them to do what they want not being hospitable enough, but I'd call it something else.
i have a inlaw that pastors such a church i don't know i tryed to aproach this with them i got the judge not lest you be judged verse used on me
It sounds like if you were judged, you'd be fine - since you are standing for righteousness, and your in law is not. ♡
Gaslighting 101
Wow, you foresaw the issue with your stance and you kept it anyways.
Read the Gay Manifesto by Gayle Rubin
The Bible warns us that the tares will be among us.
Just sou know, yt won't let me like this.
To Amy Grant. Loving the way Jesus loves is not accommodating damnable sins. If you hate someone you will not tell them the truth. It takes boldness and courage to stand on sound doctrine firmly and declare it.
A Trojan Horse. There's nothing new under the sun. That which has been done will be done again. ☠
Thanks for fighting to good fight..
These two are just whiners, they want people to agree with them without doing any of the work required to convince people.
It's lazy, it's sociological armchair politics.