You guys are forgetting when the Union Army was tanking at the beginning of the Civil War. Losing at Bull Run and Chancellorsville was painful, but they were able to draft Ulysses S Grant first overall in the 1863 draft.
2 hockey teams invented tanking., The 1979-1981 Winnipeg Jets, who would send goaltenders to the minors if they got a shut out. The end goal: Draft Dale Hawerchuk And the 1983-84 Pittsburgh Penguins, who perfected the idea by selling off ALL of their assets for pennies on the dollar. The end goal: Draft Mario, the team's eventual savior.
Colts tanked to get franchise type qb's as well. See: peyton '98 and luck '12. Also tanked to get Elway in '83 draft. Only problem with that is that Elway said he would never play for colts. And he didn't forcing trade to Broncos.
the buffalo sabres tanked in 2015 for connor mc david, didn't get him but got jack eichel who is still an amazing player. and now they're gonna trade him when his value has been at its all time low
I would argue though people may hate tanking, its better than what more and more teams seem to be doing outside of the NFL, staying competitive. Staying competitive makes it so management can keep their jobs years after they should have been fired, they can't rebuild for the future, and grows fan apathy at an exponetial rate. For a case of this look at the 2022 Twins, a mediocre team that led their terrible division for 75% of the season then finished around .500 (this was a season after a terrible collapse in which the team was last in the division and after the previous season ended, the owner said that the front office was doing an A+ job, they finished well below .500). The problem was not that the Twins, just sucked, it was that the fans just started to not care about the team, causing attendance to plumett like a rock.
If the NBA wants to stop tankiing, it should end the draft lottery. At least then, teams would only tank for one season rather than tank for 4 or 5 years at a time hoping to get lucky.
Really cool video. And well done. But I have to say, you actually need to go back even further. Connie Mack and the Philadelphia A's were the Florida Marlins 100 years before. The A's of the 1900s through the 1950s, with Mack as Manager, GM and even owner, would build a powerhouse team from scratch, win a championship or 2 or 3, then methodically sell the star players off and begin the process over again with dreadful teams that would lose 100 or more games a year all the while stockpiling assets until they were dominant again. They did it repeatedly over the span of the many years that Mack ran the franchise until they were sold in the early 1950s and moved to Kansas City where they were eventually sold to Charley O Finley who moved them to Oakland in the late 1960s.
cheap ass charlie finely did the same with A's in mid 70's. Built them from ground up in '68 when A's moved there. They became a '70's powerhouse that won five straight a l west titles and three consecutive w s titles '72-'74. Then he began to purge A's of all of their all stars mid '70's leading them to bottom of a l west by '77 season.
Watching the Jets lose to the Raiders in 2020 was one of the most satisfying endings to a game I’ve ever seen... because I’m a Jets fan. They ruined that good feeling when they beat the Rams, but it seems to have turned out ok for the time being
@@Mike-ge7pe I'm a jets fan too, and I was one of the people that actually wanted them to win. Lawrence could be really good but going 0-16 is an utter disgrace that i want no part of
To be fair to Hinkie, he admitted that draft picks are misses more often than not. That’s why his was a multi-year tank and he traded for picks. He wanted as many chances as possible to eventually draft a star or two, which they did.
and also, while his return for MCW was kinda lackluster, he wound up being completely right about that jumper being basically unfixable. He traded MCW at the peak
And in all those years, despite all those pin pong balls, he only got one 1st overall. The other aspect Hinkie was ahead of everyone was doing this in a salary cap league.
This was my thought as well, but to be fair the owner was a super douche and deserved it. On the other hand, it really sucks for the players and fans that just wanted to win.!
I think you missed two of the greatest examples of tanking I've ever heard of... Barbados v Grenada in 1994 in which Barbados INTENTIONALLY scored an own goal due to a silly rule in which extra time goals were worth 2...the precise amount they needed to advance out of their group in their tournament. They were up 1 near the end of the game, and just...beaned themselves to get a better chance at the differential. Germany v Austria in 1982, dubbed "The Disgrace of Gijon" in which BOTH teams tanked in order to screw over Algeria in their group. Basically Germany and Austria needed a specific result for both of them to move on in the World Cup, and they both kind of lazily walked up and down the pitch once the scoreline was reached.
Same with Noel he’s been a key piece with the knicks this year people see his scoring numbers and assume he’s bad he has never been known for his offense and has always been a big defensive player
the Edmonton Oiler from 2007-2015 are pretty much THE definition of tanking and the first example that comes to my mind. This was a franchise that from 2010-2015 had the first Overall Draft Pick in FOUR of the six years during that span. Since they began their tanking in the 2009-10 season, they've finished dead last 2 times, 29th/30 2 times, 28th /30 2 times, and bottom third in the NHL 3 more times. as of the end of the 2020-21 season, they've finished top 10 in the NHL 2 times and 11th/30 once. not to mention having a generational talent in Connor McDavid and another elite player in Leon Draisatl. this so far is a lesson that in a sport like hockey that is very much a TEAM sport, tanking for one or two generational players without building a competent team around them will be very unlikely to result in championships because a team is only as good as its weakest link... and if 85% of the team is the weakest link, then, the team won't be good.
Which makes it funnier that they then traded that draft pick to Miami and went back further on the board then they would've been if they had won the game
Didn’t even do it for that. Doug wanted Sudfeld to have a chance to play before Philly undoubtedly cut him once the new regime came in. Hurts wasn’t gonna win that game anyway. Dude’s cheeks.
Not through the whole video but damn this a brilliant concept to explore just wanted to say that. There’s a form of tanking in Motorsports called sandbagging if on the off chance you see that on RUclips you’ll know the moment it was inspired from haha
Some series, specifically GT racing, have performace balancing rules which allow for slower cars to gain horsepower or lose weight if they are deemed to be uncompetitively. I believe there was a situation at the 24 hours of Daytona where some Lamborghinis were busted for sandbagging to receive a performace increase. However, I do not remember the specifics.
@@mpaulm Then losing Hall wasn't as bad as everyone said it was. I don't follow much hockey outside what my favorite team (the Blackhawks) does. I just heard that Hall was traded and he turned into MVP, but I knew about McDavid, Draisitle, Nugent-Hopkins (you guys are stacked).
How much you wanna bet this video was just from Mike watching that shot of the cuphandle and thinking "what the heck was that I need to make a video about it somehow"
I think it’s important to mention that tanking for draft picks is more prevalent in other sports than others. Drafting #1 overall in NFL to get college football’s best quarterback, who will then make an impact on the NFL team in a few months, is a lot more consequential than an MLB players drafting a great player who will still have to go through the minor leagues for 2-3 years, and still have a less than guaranteed chance of being a franchise player.
getting Pegula'd... because since drafting eichel, all the ownership has done is piss off players, fans, and more with their gross incompetence and lack of respect towards the team.. i mean for heaven's sake, they gave their alumni and past legends cheap chinese knock-off jerseys to wear on alumni appreciation night a couple years ago as well as mis spelling Dave Andreychuk's name on a different alumni night... the hockey operations team, as well as coaches and management have TRIED to put competent teams together in recent years that on paper look decently competitive, but end up finishing mediocre AT BEST... i feel for you, sabres fans....
Foolish baseball had a video about one owner owning the Cleveland spiders and st Louis I believe might count as a tank in the 1800 s...all of the good players got traded to one team and the other got the leftovers...
What is your *problem* man? Why are you randomly criticizing a quirky (and thematically relevant) shot of a mug handle from Raging Bull? Do you need a breakdown of how and why a fragile domestic object associated with food is relevant in a film that begins with a scene of a man beating his wife as she prepares him dinner and he eats? A film all about a boxer who constantly has to "make the weight" and has to think about what he puts into body all the time? That mug handle isn't out of place, nor out of nowhere, nor even especially 'deep'. Fits perfectly in place in that film, like every shot. I cannot *imagine* why you are going out of your way to criticize it.
I think the Oakland As deserve a top spot here in 2022. "Moneyball" only means trade away all your up and coming players and replace them with a minor league team every year. People forget...when the As actually wanted to win they paid good money for a solid pitching staff for like a decade. Now it looks like they are clearly tanking to move cities, yet the minor leaguers are actually winning some games.
Possibly the biggest example would be the Detroit Lions. They made it a long and storied tradition. I don't know if the qualify though because in the end it didn't seem like they had a viable reason to lose every season (maybe monetary reasons). It was so brutal that one of the greatest running backs in history retire one season away from becoming the number one man for rushing yards. And management didn't trade him away...ever. He just had to suck it up year after year. Barry had a strong desire to win and couldn't fathom sucking so bad year in and year out.
Invented in like '98 or something by the San Antonio Spurs for Tim Duncan - that's the first time a team with talent intentionally sat out guys with the sole purpose of getting great draft picks for a small market team in a lost season.
I was going to say that the Houston Rockets in 1983-84 were the first team especially since after that the NBA installed the lottery system. Didn't know about the Penguins the same year, I like to see Urinating Tree talk about them.
The fix for tanking is relegation, but the owners will never go for it unless somehow forced. Would make the teams less of a sure thing value long term.
One thing that I think people forget about with Hinkie is his strategy of just throwing darts at the board got the Sixers a lot of value. He pulled TJ McConnell and Robert Covington out of thin air. Just a shame the NBA basically couped the front office and then Jerry Colangelo's fail son just fucked things up for multiple years because he spent more time tweeting on burners than scouting or meeting with with his cap advisors.
The New York Rangers pretty much openly admitted to tanking. They were in a heated playoff race by mid season, but didn’t think they could truly contend for a championship. So they wrote a letter to their fans saying how they were gonna trade a bunch of their good veteran players. That kind of transparency was cool but it probably didn’t sit well in the locker room
As a Quebec Nordiques fan, I am not sure if they tanked or were just awful, but in 3 consecutive years, they got Sundin, Owen Nolan and Eric Lindros , all as #1 overall picks.
Can you make a video talking about the Career of Jose Reyes? He was underrated imo and was one of my favorite players growing up. Keep up the great content 👍🏻
I remember tanking a game in juco so we could gain a bracket advantage. The initial goal was achieved and we nearly won our conference. It's high risk high reward. Not a fun strat but a strat.
Some teams in nba/nhl can't do the obvious tank job right thanks to lottery. See: Boston celtics for Duncan 1997. Or Buffalo sabres for mcdavid 2015. Cavs tanked badly and got lotto luck in '03 to get lebum.
I'm not sure your info is correct on the 82-83 Rockets. They had a bad team that year after Malone left. Ralph Sampson was the possible pick in 83 if they won the coin flip and they did. Hakeem wasn't available until the 84 draft. I am a lifelong Houston Rockets fan and have followed them since the 70s.
There was a famous example of tanking in Australian football - following the game called the Kreuzer Cup at the end of 2007. Carlton and Melbourne both went into the game with 4 wins for the season, and a team could qualify for a priority pick in the draft if they finished a season with 4.5 wins for the season (provided their previous season had been similarly terrible, which Carlton's had). Even if they didn't finish in last place on the ladder. Carlton lost that last game, consequently were awarded the priority pick, and used the priority pick to grab young star Matthew Kreuzer in the draft. As a result Melbourne missed out on the priority pick by winning that game, and missed out on a potential superstar in Kreuzer, who everyone knew would be the first pick in the 2008 draft. Melbourne would spend the next couple years losing so badly that they were frequently accused of tanking, and they would be fined $500 000 and both their coach and their general manager of football operations were found to have "acted in a manner which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL", for their actions in the latter weeks of 2009.
2015 Toronto Maple Leafs traded their first pairing defenseman / captain, starting goalie, a slew of depth players AND leading scorer (who helped lead the Penguins to back to back cups). All this to get Austin Matthews in the draft, Yet this was seen as "rebuilding"....
Leafs were actually better that year than the prior (by a point)... played better too. They weren't in sole possession of last place until the last day of the season, largely because they had like 5 games on hand on most teams for the majority of the year. Edmonton was the one in last place for the majority by pts%. Though Toronto did hold out JVR because of his injury, I think? There was a moment at the end where they decided to dress their rookies Brown, Nylander, Leivo, Hyman and Kapanen and eventually sent them down because they were playing too good XD... in reality Leafs did the least offensive tanking ever considering that they did improve, they did play better, they dressed their young up and coming players at one point and they still placed much higher than Edmonton and Buffalo did the year prior (that was a tremendous tanking hellstorm). On top of that it was just the one time as they've been a good team since. I'd prefer if teams were to tank, they'd do it like the Leafs. They signed numerous decent players to single year or short term deals (like Grabner, Winnik, PA Parenteau) entirely for the purpose of showcasing them throughout the season to trade them for picks then once traded they were replaced with their available top prospects and the team on the ice never looked like they were ever trying to lose.
The eagles weren't tanking. Hurts was playing like ass he was 7/20 with a pick, and they didn't want to get him injured in a worthless game. The only people who think Hurts was pulled so the Giants would be out of the playoffs are butthurt Giants fans. Besides, the Giants were 6-10 they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.
In the NBA you got the lottery, being the worst doesn't guarantee you the #1 pick. But OKC ownership group tanked the Sonics so they could lose Seattle fans' fate and move them to OKC as Thunders. That was obvious tanking even with Durant. Baseball is 162 games, things usually even themselves by playing that many games. Teams might tank the last few, but not the whole or 1/2 a season. Fans aren't going to 81 a year if they know somebody is tanking that many games. NFL is clear as day as the tank league. The Colts suck for luck was the most obvious I have seen till the Jag. Jaguar had Minshew who was decent, but they wouldn't even play him. The sad thing this last year, the Jets tried to win but were just terrible. Jets are one of the worst tankers too if they tried.
You should mention that it was the 1st that the lottery odds flattened that season which is why not only the Knicks dropped in the lottery but also a few other teams also.
This is way more common than the video implies. Near the trade deadline, for example, there are teams out of playoff contention who trade their expensive and good players away for prospects/young players. They effectively tank the rest of the season. Once a team gives up on making the playoffs they *always* tank, at least up to a point, trying to avoid offending their fan base. Noone wants an ugly Charles Oakley incident due to bad management and tanking with respect to the Knicks.
Aren't mug handles called ears? Cauliflower ears are synonymous with boxing. So the showing of the "mug handle" means a guy with "ears" has a handle on the situation, if you get up close personal.
There should be some rules to make tanking less desirable. For example: a) (Talking about NBA draft which has 2 rounds) If a team had nr 1 pick then for the next 3 season they can't have another top 3 picks; if a team had nr 2 pick, then 2 years; if a team had nr 3 pick, then they can't have top 3 picks next year. (NHL, NFL, and MLB have more rounds so the number of top picks and the number of seasons they can't have another would differ) b) If a team had deep playoff runs and even won championships (in their last 3-5 years) then they should not get high picks. Like GS went to 5 NBA finals in a row, won 3 of them, and when Klay and Steph got hurt, they tanked and got the second pick. Like what stops a good team to give their top players a year or two off, get a few top prospects and then go back to winning. If I were an executive I absolutely would do that. GS played around a season worth more games between 2015-2019 than half of the league teams, and their players would feel fatigued. Then GS would play them less (maybe 40-50 games instead 70+ games). Basically, this idea would have stopped Penguins from getting Mario and he would have ended in Devil's jersey.
While that last one is a crazy story, I personally feel as if it's not the earliest example of tanking in sports. What if I told you there was an arguable example of tanking from the 1910s in baseball that led to a team having 7 straight last place finishes? Let me introduce you to Connie Mack and his Philadelphia Athletics. From 1910-1914, they had been a dynasty, winning 4 pennants and 3 World Series in 5 years, and were the undisputed best team in baseball. However, that all started to unravel in 1914. First, the competing Major League known as the "Federal League" was formed, driving up salary. Then, the A's were swept in the World Series by the 1914 "Miracle" Boston Braves who had gone from last place on the 4th of July to first in the NL by the of the season. Mack, seeing that he wouldn't be able to keep up with the salaries of the FL, and bitter over this loss, proceeded to sell off all of his best players, and went from 99 wins in '14 to 43 in '15. In '16, He had the worst team in modern major league history by winning percentage -worse than even the '62 Mets, at .235- and had just 36 wins. They had hit the bottom of the barrel. It would take until 1922 for them to climb out of the basement, and 1925 for them to have a winning record, when they finished second behind the Washington Senators. However, they finally fully recovered by 1929 when they won 104 games, more than they had in any season in the first dynasty, and the World Series in dominating fashion. I think this shows all the hallmarks of a tank, albeit in different ways at times. For one, pettiness and not working to a T (Losing the World Series and selling off all of your best players and then finishing in last 7 straight years). For another, it DID eventually work, with the same management too! Though, Connie Mack, was an owner-manager, so he had 100% job security, but hey, it worked! And the teams from 1929-31 (Mack's last Dynasty) were his best, so there's that. I didn't mention this, but it goes without saying, but he hit on a LOT of players. Lefty Grove, one of the best pitchers ever, Jimmie Foxx, one of the best first basemen and most fearsome hitters ever, Al Simmons, a hitter who had an unconventional stance but made it work, and a host of others, they were great. And he did have a reason other than pettiness: to cut costs with the competition from the Federal League threatening to raid the existing AL and NL. So overall, I think that Connie Mack, created tanking, at least in a rudimentary form.
NBA enacted the lottery after the olajuwan '84 draft. Yet nba rigged their first ever lottery in '85 to get ewing to their big market of choice...nyc and knicks. And pens in '83-'84 season were calling up guys that had no business playing in the nhl latter part of that season. One sub-par goalie was called up and got shelled for 10 goals. Once tank job was complete they lost season finale to isle four straight cup winner 2-1. When asked about supposed tank job years later eddie johnston just laffed about it. It was so obvious he didn't know what to say about it. And nords tanked for Lindros in '90-'91 season. The only problem with that is that Lindros said he would never play for them. Nords still drafted him anyway. Real reason? Nord owner Michel Aubut supposedly made a pass on Lindros's mother. So Lindros the best prospect to come out since mario held out forcing the '92 trade to flyers. And forcing nords out of q c by end of '94-'95 season. The resulting trade package nords got for Lindros from flyers paid off in two cups...for Col. Av's. And thanks to the '95 p. roy trade with habs that never happens if nords stayed in q c. And nhl didn't add the lottery until '94 draft after drunken sen gm bragged about tanking for the top pick in '93 draft. Notorious draft bust Alexande Daigle.
The Cubs didn't tank. At least not in the window that you're suggesting. -Zambrano was declining and a clubhouse cancer. They traded him for Chris Volstad, who was 23 at the time and was a strong bounce-back candidate. -Samardzija wanted more money than he was worth, so they shipped him to Oakland for a package featuring Addison Russell while he was cheap and under team control. -Garza was in the same boat as Samardzija, except he was in a visible decline, so they shipped him while they could actually get something for him. They received a few years of solid relief in Carl Edwards Jr. and Justin Grimm while taking a chance on Mike Olt. -Feldman had one solid season in his entire career. When it looked like he might be having his second, they shipped him for two nobodies in Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop. -Andrew Cashner was just another "next best thing" prospect for the Cubs. They always had one in the early 2000s and they never panned out, so instead of letting him flounder, they traded him for Anthony Rizzo. He's been pretty okay. -Bryan LaHair was an all-star based on less than a month of solid play for a team with (probably) the largest fan base. He ended 2012 with an OPS of .784 and played even worse in Japan the following year. tl;dr The Cubs traded five pitchers that weren't helping them win and released a minor league journeyman. Six of the eleven players they received in return were on their 2016 championship roster.
There are Three Levels of "Tanking". 1. Developing Young Talent with Playing Time. 2. Purposeful losing for draft picks. 3. Being the 2000s Detroit Lions.
I think your better off long term just going for consistent excellence. Yankees, Lakers, Patriots don’t tank. Even the Lakers post Kobe pre Lebron. They weren’t tanking. They were young but they tried. These organizations have too much pride. And it seems to work.
Regarding the Eagles benching Jalen Hurts for the 4th quarter against WFT, he was like 7/20 for 53 yards before being taken out of the game for Sudfeld. So no, Hurts was not playing good at all before being taken out and idk why that narrative is still being perpetuated. Enough time has passed for us to all admit that he sucked and under normal circumstances he would have been benched for being that bad.
Chicago black socks (White Sox) scandal happened in 1919(if not 1909 or between) I believe...players intentionally lost the world series... some say that it was done to repay a gambling debt by a or some players... regardless it was definitely done...not up for debate
I think tanking would be more accepted if teams just owned up to it in put in their 2nd and 3rd string players. Teams that tank and put on an act and pretend there tanking and basically using deception when there actually not fooling anybody I think that's kind of messed up.
Serie a case is special Because outside north america there is no "tanking" . If you lose on purpose constantly you and your family are in danger haha Let's say that instead of tanking you're cannon fodder
Calling losing on purpose out of spite, tanking, isn’t fair. Tanking should just be losing on purpose for long term goal. Tanking so your rival don’t get what they want shouldn’t be called tanking. The more interesting “tank”, to me, is group stage in other sports, such as football or soccer. If you already qualified for the next round and a strong team within your group can get eliminated if you lose or draw and you decide to do so, that should be considered tanking, even if it’s merely one match. There has been various instances of these in the World Cup, with ravenous response from the fans.
You should have looked into the NHL 1991 draft. Leafs had not first rounder and sucked. Nordiques had theirs, sucked but had some vets who really hated to lose and the Nords knew that. What did they do? Trade the 3 vets to the leafs for crap. Nords got Lindros and the leafs now are known for trading the pick that became Scott Nydermyer and not Lindros
You guys are forgetting when the Union Army was tanking at the beginning of the Civil War. Losing at Bull Run and Chancellorsville was painful, but they were able to draft Ulysses S Grant first overall in the 1863 draft.
Ah i see so tanking actually works
Nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddds!
Also, I agree.
ahhhh the dynamic duo of US History and American Sports
@@manny5186 the two are interchangeable. USA wins always
Confederacy blew their lead when they lost Atlanta with Sherman's march to the sea.
Falcons blew a 28-3 lead.
Coincidence?
2 hockey teams invented tanking.,
The 1979-1981 Winnipeg Jets, who would send goaltenders to the minors if they got a shut out. The end goal: Draft Dale Hawerchuk
And the 1983-84 Pittsburgh Penguins, who perfected the idea by selling off ALL of their assets for pennies on the dollar. The end goal: Draft Mario, the team's eventual savior.
Colts tanked to get franchise type qb's as well. See: peyton '98 and luck '12. Also tanked to get Elway in '83 draft. Only problem with that is that Elway said he would never play for colts. And he didn't forcing trade to Broncos.
the buffalo sabres tanked in 2015 for connor mc david, didn't get him but got jack eichel who is still an amazing player. and now they're gonna trade him when his value has been at its all time low
I would argue though people may hate tanking, its better than what more and more teams seem to be doing outside of the NFL, staying competitive. Staying competitive makes it so management can keep their jobs years after they should have been fired, they can't rebuild for the future, and grows fan apathy at an exponetial rate.
For a case of this look at the 2022 Twins, a mediocre team that led their terrible division for 75% of the season then finished around .500 (this was a season after a terrible collapse in which the team was last in the division and after the previous season ended, the owner said that the front office was doing an A+ job, they finished well below .500). The problem was not that the Twins, just sucked, it was that the fans just started to not care about the team, causing attendance to plumett like a rock.
My Pirates have been tanking since 1992. I can't wait for the payoff, when we go 162-0, go undefeated in the playoff, and sweep the World Series!
If the NBA wants to stop tankiing, it should end the draft lottery. At least then, teams would only tank for one season rather than tank for 4 or 5 years at a time hoping to get lucky.
Great video, but tanking for draft picks and salary caps are exactly why baseball needs a salary floor. It just makes for a bad product.
Really cool video. And well done. But I have to say, you actually need to go back even further. Connie Mack and the Philadelphia A's were the Florida Marlins 100 years before. The A's of the 1900s through the 1950s, with Mack as Manager, GM and even owner, would build a powerhouse team from scratch, win a championship or 2 or 3, then methodically sell the star players off and begin the process over again with dreadful teams that would lose 100 or more games a year all the while stockpiling assets until they were dominant again. They did it repeatedly over the span of the many years that Mack ran the franchise until they were sold in the early 1950s and moved to Kansas City where they were eventually sold to Charley O Finley who moved them to Oakland in the late 1960s.
cheap ass charlie finely did the same with A's in mid 70's. Built them from ground up in '68 when A's moved there. They became a '70's powerhouse that won five straight a l west titles and three consecutive w s titles '72-'74. Then he began to purge A's of all of their all stars mid '70's leading them to bottom of a l west by '77 season.
@@stevenbauer4799 Yup. Exactly.
If the Giants really wanted to win their division last year, they could've tried to, you know... not suck that much.
Tanking problem could be solved easily. Thirty-two teams in the league, each team gets first position in the draft every 32 years. Done.
The British I think, in WW1.
Well no the french but the british got it on the battle field first
Union in the Civil War
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Tanking has literally turned into fans cheering for the tank 😂
literally been me all year being a rockets fan. the most fun season since 2018 wcf
Cue Glorious Tank Bowl
True this past year Rich Eisen lost his mind when the Jets started winning.
Watching the Jets lose to the Raiders in 2020 was one of the most satisfying endings to a game I’ve ever seen... because I’m a Jets fan. They ruined that good feeling when they beat the Rams, but it seems to have turned out ok for the time being
@@Mike-ge7pe I'm a jets fan too, and I was one of the people that actually wanted them to win. Lawrence could be really good but going 0-16 is an utter disgrace that i want no part of
To be fair to Hinkie, he admitted that draft picks are misses more often than not. That’s why his was a multi-year tank and he traded for picks. He wanted as many chances as possible to eventually draft a star or two, which they did.
and also, while his return for MCW was kinda lackluster, he wound up being completely right about that jumper being basically unfixable. He traded MCW at the peak
Hinkie wanted Tatum over fultz, but was forced to leave
@@nou4083 exactly right, traded MCW at his peak for a top 3 pick!!!
And Fultz COULD have been good if he didn't get the yips. That's unforseeable.
And in all those years, despite all those pin pong balls, he only got one 1st overall. The other aspect Hinkie was ahead of everyone was doing this in a salary cap league.
Before watching this: The 1919 White Sox (They tanked the series, but still go chisox!)
Ouch
This was my thought as well, but to be fair the owner was a super douche and deserved it. On the other hand, it really sucks for the players and fans that just wanted to win.!
@@EpsilonUnitGaming as a White Sox fan, this applies to every owner but ONE in franchise history
1899 spiders blows the Sox out of the water
free shoeless joe he was innocent
Last time I was this early the Suns, 76ers and Nets were poverty franchises.
so like, last year
@@gkdunch no more like 2015-2016
So every day?
@@icannotbelievethisnigga lol, you're right but i saw a chance to rag on these teams and took it
@@philthornton1382 I feel the salt radiating from this comment
I remember watching Jacksonville have that defensive set against us live and I was laughing so hard 😭 obviously we knew why but still so weird
I think you missed two of the greatest examples of tanking I've ever heard of...
Barbados v Grenada in 1994 in which Barbados INTENTIONALLY scored an own goal due to a silly rule in which extra time goals were worth 2...the precise amount they needed to advance out of their group in their tournament. They were up 1 near the end of the game, and just...beaned themselves to get a better chance at the differential.
Germany v Austria in 1982, dubbed "The Disgrace of Gijon" in which BOTH teams tanked in order to screw over Algeria in their group. Basically Germany and Austria needed a specific result for both of them to move on in the World Cup, and they both kind of lazily walked up and down the pitch once the scoreline was reached.
Tanking only works in American sports/sports that have a draft
Hey now, Dario Saric is a very good player and if given the opportunity to succeed in Philly, he’d be 6th man of the year
Same with Noel he’s been a key piece with the knicks this year people see his scoring numbers and assume he’s bad he has never been known for his offense and has always been a big defensive player
He probably hits free throws better than Ben.
the Edmonton Oiler from 2007-2015 are pretty much THE definition of tanking and the first example that comes to my mind. This was a franchise that from 2010-2015 had the first Overall Draft Pick in FOUR of the six years during that span. Since they began their tanking in the 2009-10 season, they've finished dead last 2 times, 29th/30 2 times, 28th /30 2 times, and bottom third in the NHL 3 more times. as of the end of the 2020-21 season, they've finished top 10 in the NHL 2 times and 11th/30 once. not to mention having a generational talent in Connor McDavid and another elite player in Leon Draisatl. this so far is a lesson that in a sport like hockey that is very much a TEAM sport, tanking for one or two generational players without building a competent team around them will be very unlikely to result in championships because a team is only as good as its weakest link... and if 85% of the team is the weakest link, then, the team won't be good.
Not every Sport btw. You do that in Football (Soccer) ,Basketball, Icehockey anywhere else in the World and you are relegated.
honestly tanking is better as a fan than being stuck as mediocre team (spurs fan here (not the basketball one))
@@racg174 That makes no sense. Tanking is literally committing to being mediocre at best instead of actively trying to improve ASAP
@@racg174 That's like saying, "I'd much rather be bad and hope something good falls in my lap than try to get better on my own merit."
The Eagles lost intentionally for the draft position, not to spite the Giants that was just a happy coincidence
Watching that live was frustrating but I understood the concept and reasoning.
Which makes it funnier that they then traded that draft pick to Miami and went back further on the board then they would've been if they had won the game
Didn’t even do it for that. Doug wanted Sudfeld to have a chance to play before Philly undoubtedly cut him once the new regime came in. Hurts wasn’t gonna win that game anyway. Dude’s cheeks.
As long as it isn't to illegally manipulate betting, tanking is fine
Who invented Tanking?
Well, I would say it was the Washington Generals; but what's their Endgame?
Krusty: oh come on! Steal the ball! He's just spinning it on his finger!
@@paulk6399 That Game was Fixed! They were using a Freaking Ladder for God's Sake!
Not through the whole video but damn this a brilliant concept to explore just wanted to say that. There’s a form of tanking in Motorsports called sandbagging if on the off chance you see that on RUclips you’ll know the moment it was inspired from haha
haha funny seeing you here. sandbagging vid would be interesting
Some series, specifically GT racing, have performace balancing rules which allow for slower cars to gain horsepower or lose weight if they are deemed to be uncompetitively. I believe there was a situation at the 24 hours of Daytona where some Lamborghinis were busted for sandbagging to receive a performace increase. However, I do not remember the specifics.
Would love to see this video someday!
Cue the "TANK BOWL" music from urinating tree
which is fox sports college basketball theme
I knew I was about to say that Urinatingtree first invented Tanking because of his history of Tank Bowl-ism.
I thought it was Urinatingtree who first invented Tanking because of his Tank Bowls.
As an Oilers fan I will always remember the fall for Hall.😂
@Harry Engel Taylor Hall.
@Harry Engel ......
And then you trade him to NJ and he wins MVP. This must have hurt.
@@siimtokke3461 Salary dump, we had to sign mcdavid and draisitle. Plus he was a major cancer in the locker room.
@@mpaulm Then losing Hall wasn't as bad as everyone said it was. I don't follow much hockey outside what my favorite team (the Blackhawks) does. I just heard that Hall was traded and he turned into MVP, but I knew about McDavid, Draisitle, Nugent-Hopkins (you guys are stacked).
How much you wanna bet this video was just from Mike watching that shot of the cuphandle and thinking "what the heck was that I need to make a video about it somehow"
Ah the early 2010s Cubs, many nostalgic players, trades that made a young me a bit sad in the short term but eventually very happy in the long term
I think it’s important to mention that tanking for draft picks is more prevalent in other sports than others. Drafting #1 overall in NFL to get college football’s best quarterback, who will then make an impact on the NFL team in a few months, is a lot more consequential than an MLB players drafting a great player who will still have to go through the minor leagues for 2-3 years, and still have a less than guaranteed chance of being a franchise player.
What do you call what the Sabres have been doing this decade
Gross incompetence
not too hood
getting Pegula'd... because since drafting eichel, all the ownership has done is piss off players, fans, and more with their gross incompetence and lack of respect towards the team.. i mean for heaven's sake, they gave their alumni and past legends cheap chinese knock-off jerseys to wear on alumni appreciation night a couple years ago as well as mis spelling Dave Andreychuk's name on a different alumni night... the hockey operations team, as well as coaches and management have TRIED to put competent teams together in recent years that on paper look decently competitive, but end up finishing mediocre AT BEST... i feel for you, sabres fans....
"Some player named Elvin Hayes" c'mon man that's a hall of famer.
Ah yes the Triple A Astros the other 2 A's coming from Absolutely and Atrocious
The Eagles tanking and letting the Football Team win the division is the perfect embodiment of the NFC East last year
@@footerotica882 like it or not, they’re the Football Team now.
And in the draft, they screwed the giants over again.
@@choiyatlam2552 That’s not their fault though lol. They wanted a player and so they drafted up to get him so other teams couldn’t
I like how the jets failed tanking 😂
I'm early in the video but I still love how the Marlins basically tanked for money but accidentally tanked in to another ring.
Foolish baseball had a video about one owner owning the Cleveland spiders and st Louis I believe might count as a tank in the 1800 s...all of the good players got traded to one team and the other got the leftovers...
That's not tanking, that's one person owning two teams and stacking one and forgetting about the other
Astros legit had one of the best tanks in mlb history
They also legit had one of the best cheating systems in mlb history
@@metsfan7376 still made the alcs 4 times in a row
@@aaaaa8282 they still cheated. It’s all one big asterisk next to their name and will never get the respect they don’t deserve
@@owenanderson3425 OH NO WHAT WILL THE ASTROS ORGANIZATION DO WHEN USER JOE C DOESN'T RESPECT THEM 😭😭😖😣😞😞
@@metsfan7376 Yeah they did, but still tanked very well and still are an elite team.
Raging Bull. One of the greatest films in history. BY Martin Scorsese btw STARRING Robert DeNiro
Can you explain the mug handle though?
I’m a Pistons and Jags fan....
Help Me
It's okay that Houston landed Hakeem, because Portland got to pick second and Michael Jordan was available
What is your *problem* man? Why are you randomly criticizing a quirky (and thematically relevant) shot of a mug handle from Raging Bull? Do you need a breakdown of how and why a fragile domestic object associated with food is relevant in a film that begins with a scene of a man beating his wife as she prepares him dinner and he eats? A film all about a boxer who constantly has to "make the weight" and has to think about what he puts into body all the time?
That mug handle isn't out of place, nor out of nowhere, nor even especially 'deep'. Fits perfectly in place in that film, like every shot. I cannot *imagine* why you are going out of your way to criticize it.
I think the Oakland As deserve a top spot here in 2022. "Moneyball" only means trade away all your up and coming players and replace them with a minor league team every year.
People forget...when the As actually wanted to win they paid good money for a solid pitching staff for like a decade. Now it looks like they are clearly tanking to move cities, yet the minor leaguers are actually winning some games.
Possibly the biggest example would be the Detroit Lions. They made it a long and storied tradition. I don't know if the qualify though because in the end it didn't seem like they had a viable reason to lose every season (maybe monetary reasons). It was so brutal that one of the greatest running backs in history retire one season away from becoming the number one man for rushing yards. And management didn't trade him away...ever. He just had to suck it up year after year. Barry had a strong desire to win and couldn't fathom sucking so bad year in and year out.
Invented in like '98 or something by the San Antonio Spurs for Tim Duncan - that's the first time a team with talent intentionally sat out guys with the sole purpose of getting great draft picks for a small market team in a lost season.
I was going to say that the Houston Rockets in 1983-84 were the first team especially since after that the NBA installed the lottery system. Didn't know about the Penguins the same year, I like to see Urinating Tree talk about them.
Thank you for using the word "literally" correctly.
The fix for tanking is relegation, but the owners will never go for it unless somehow forced. Would make the teams less of a sure thing value long term.
Hard salary cap in all sports, abolish the draft, and let players choose where they want to play, just like they would if they were free agents.
This is why I love the promotion/relegation of European soccer. You can't subject your fans to misery and be better off.
Man this channel is awesome! All of the guys that make videos on here seem so cool. This Mike guy sounds like a handsome lad
Greatest Sports Hub on RUclips.
Collection of sport loving-dudes!
*takes of mask*
Mwahaha it’s me. I’m one of those cool guys 😎
@@srsmatt7272Oh I know.
You're disguise wasn't as deceptive as an Angel Hernandez strike-zone 👺
@@jaybagido775 Nothing could ever be!
Yeah I like all of them except this srs Matt guy oh wait...
I thought the 1982 and 1983 Rockets tanked so spectacularly the NBA started the draft lottery. They gotta be my favorite example.
No discussion of tanking can omit the name Ralph Sampson.
One thing that I think people forget about with Hinkie is his strategy of just throwing darts at the board got the Sixers a lot of value. He pulled TJ McConnell and Robert Covington out of thin air. Just a shame the NBA basically couped the front office and then Jerry Colangelo's fail son just fucked things up for multiple years because he spent more time tweeting on burners than scouting or meeting with with his cap advisors.
jerami grant and richaun holmes from those teams are doing really well for themselves now too
Jesus, that first clip of Harden looks like he's lost 40 pounds this season (after going to Brooklyn of course)
The New York Rangers pretty much openly admitted to tanking. They were in a heated playoff race by mid season, but didn’t think they could truly contend for a championship. So they wrote a letter to their fans saying how they were gonna trade a bunch of their good veteran players. That kind of transparency was cool but it probably didn’t sit well in the locker room
As a Quebec Nordiques fan, I am not sure if they tanked or were just awful, but in 3 consecutive years, they got Sundin, Owen Nolan and Eric Lindros , all as #1 overall picks.
I guess hockey isnt your focus but the tank for the Nhl's current best player, Connor Mcdavid, was absolutely bananas!
Can you make a video talking about the Career of Jose Reyes? He was underrated imo and was one of my favorite players growing up. Keep up the great content 👍🏻
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the cubs: “i’ll fucken do it again”
Uh Dario panned out, he’s pretty solid
@Harry Engel it's because he copied peak Tim Duncan offense but wasn't any good on defense.
Could you consider the black sox scandal tanking?
This is why I like promotion relegation.
What about the cavs tanking for LeBron
I remember tanking a game in juco so we could gain a bracket advantage. The initial goal was achieved and we nearly won our conference. It's high risk high reward. Not a fun strat but a strat.
What about the Cleveland spiders
Ahh the Rockies, the true 30 year tank
"Spans every sport"
Not sports that relegate you for being crap.
The Buffalo Sabres tanked for Connor McDavid and didn’t even get him 😭
The Penguins tanked to get Mario Lemieux. He should’ve been a Devil.
The Oilers perfected it. Edmonton, not Houston
what about shoeless joe and the white sox
tanking spans every sport... i guess the rest of the world doesn’t exist
petition for americans to add the word “american” after the word “every”
Some teams in nba/nhl can't do the obvious tank job right thanks to lottery. See: Boston celtics for Duncan 1997. Or Buffalo sabres for mcdavid 2015. Cavs tanked badly and got lotto luck in '03 to get lebum.
Wait what about the 1989 Cowboys? That was like one of the earliest instances of Tanking.
I'm not sure your info is correct on the 82-83 Rockets. They had a bad team that year after Malone left. Ralph Sampson was the possible pick in 83 if they won the coin flip and they did. Hakeem wasn't available until the 84 draft. I am a lifelong Houston Rockets fan and have followed them since the 70s.
Thankfully it looks like the White Sox tank is finally paying off
There was a famous example of tanking in Australian football - following the game called the Kreuzer Cup at the end of 2007. Carlton and Melbourne both went into the game with 4 wins for the season, and a team could qualify for a priority pick in the draft if they finished a season with 4.5 wins for the season (provided their previous season had been similarly terrible, which Carlton's had). Even if they didn't finish in last place on the ladder.
Carlton lost that last game, consequently were awarded the priority pick, and used the priority pick to grab young star Matthew Kreuzer in the draft.
As a result Melbourne missed out on the priority pick by winning that game, and missed out on a potential superstar in Kreuzer, who everyone knew would be the first pick in the 2008 draft. Melbourne would spend the next couple years losing so badly that they were frequently accused of tanking, and they would be fined $500 000 and both their coach and their general manager of football operations were found to have "acted in a manner which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL", for their actions in the latter weeks of 2009.
1899 Cleveland Spiders
2015 Toronto Maple Leafs traded their first pairing defenseman / captain, starting goalie, a slew of depth players AND leading scorer (who helped lead the Penguins to back to back cups).
All this to get Austin Matthews in the draft, Yet this was seen as "rebuilding"....
Leafs were actually better that year than the prior (by a point)... played better too. They weren't in sole possession of last place until the last day of the season, largely because they had like 5 games on hand on most teams for the majority of the year. Edmonton was the one in last place for the majority by pts%. Though Toronto did hold out JVR because of his injury, I think? There was a moment at the end where they decided to dress their rookies Brown, Nylander, Leivo, Hyman and Kapanen and eventually sent them down because they were playing too good XD... in reality Leafs did the least offensive tanking ever considering that they did improve, they did play better, they dressed their young up and coming players at one point and they still placed much higher than Edmonton and Buffalo did the year prior (that was a tremendous tanking hellstorm). On top of that it was just the one time as they've been a good team since. I'd prefer if teams were to tank, they'd do it like the Leafs. They signed numerous decent players to single year or short term deals (like Grabner, Winnik, PA Parenteau) entirely for the purpose of showcasing them throughout the season to trade them for picks then once traded they were replaced with their available top prospects and the team on the ice never looked like they were ever trying to lose.
The eagles weren't tanking. Hurts was playing like ass he was 7/20 with a pick, and they didn't want to get him injured in a worthless game. The only people who think Hurts was pulled so the Giants would be out of the playoffs are butthurt Giants fans. Besides, the Giants were 6-10 they didn't deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.
In the NBA you got the lottery, being the worst doesn't guarantee you the #1 pick. But OKC ownership group tanked the Sonics so they could lose Seattle fans' fate and move them to OKC as Thunders. That was obvious tanking even with Durant. Baseball is 162 games, things usually even themselves by playing that many games. Teams might tank the last few, but not the whole or 1/2 a season. Fans aren't going to 81 a year if they know somebody is tanking that many games. NFL is clear as day as the tank league. The Colts suck for luck was the most obvious I have seen till the Jag. Jaguar had Minshew who was decent, but they wouldn't even play him. The sad thing this last year, the Jets tried to win but were just terrible. Jets are one of the worst tankers too if they tried.
“fortnite player zion”
You should mention that it was the 1st that the lottery odds flattened that season which is why not only the Knicks dropped in the lottery but also a few other teams also.
This is way more common than the video implies. Near the trade deadline, for example, there are teams out of playoff contention who trade their expensive and good players away for prospects/young players. They effectively tank the rest of the season. Once a team gives up on making the playoffs they *always* tank, at least up to a point, trying to avoid offending their fan base. Noone wants an ugly Charles Oakley incident due to bad management and tanking with respect to the Knicks.
Aren't mug handles called ears?
Cauliflower ears are synonymous with boxing.
So the showing of the "mug handle" means a guy with "ears" has a handle on the situation, if you get up close personal.
There should be some rules to make tanking less desirable. For example:
a) (Talking about NBA draft which has 2 rounds) If a team had nr 1 pick then for the next 3 season they can't have another top 3 picks; if a team had nr 2 pick, then 2 years; if a team had nr 3 pick, then they can't have top 3 picks next year. (NHL, NFL, and MLB have more rounds so the number of top picks and the number of seasons they can't have another would differ)
b) If a team had deep playoff runs and even won championships (in their last 3-5 years) then they should not get high picks. Like GS went to 5 NBA finals in a row, won 3 of them, and when Klay and Steph got hurt, they tanked and got the second pick. Like what stops a good team to give their top players a year or two off, get a few top prospects and then go back to winning. If I were an executive I absolutely would do that. GS played around a season worth more games between 2015-2019 than half of the league teams, and their players would feel fatigued. Then GS would play them less (maybe 40-50 games instead 70+ games). Basically, this idea would have stopped Penguins from getting Mario and he would have ended in Devil's jersey.
While that last one is a crazy story, I personally feel as if it's not the earliest example of tanking in sports. What if I told you there was an arguable example of tanking from the 1910s in baseball that led to a team having 7 straight last place finishes?
Let me introduce you to Connie Mack and his Philadelphia Athletics. From 1910-1914, they had been a dynasty, winning 4 pennants and 3 World Series in 5 years, and were the undisputed best team in baseball. However, that all started to unravel in 1914. First, the competing Major League known as the "Federal League" was formed, driving up salary. Then, the A's were swept in the World Series by the 1914 "Miracle" Boston Braves who had gone from last place on the 4th of July to first in the NL by the of the season. Mack, seeing that he wouldn't be able to keep up with the salaries of the FL, and bitter over this loss, proceeded to sell off all of his best players, and went from 99 wins in '14 to 43 in '15. In '16, He had the worst team in modern major league history by winning percentage -worse than even the '62 Mets, at .235- and had just 36 wins. They had hit the bottom of the barrel. It would take until 1922 for them to climb out of the basement, and 1925 for them to have a winning record, when they finished second behind the Washington Senators. However, they finally fully recovered by 1929 when they won 104 games, more than they had in any season in the first dynasty, and the World Series in dominating fashion.
I think this shows all the hallmarks of a tank, albeit in different ways at times. For one, pettiness and not working to a T (Losing the World Series and selling off all of your best players and then finishing in last 7 straight years). For another, it DID eventually work, with the same management too! Though, Connie Mack, was an owner-manager, so he had 100% job security, but hey, it worked! And the teams from 1929-31 (Mack's last Dynasty) were his best, so there's that. I didn't mention this, but it goes without saying, but he hit on a LOT of players. Lefty Grove, one of the best pitchers ever, Jimmie Foxx, one of the best first basemen and most fearsome hitters ever, Al Simmons, a hitter who had an unconventional stance but made it work, and a host of others, they were great. And he did have a reason other than pettiness: to cut costs with the competition from the Federal League threatening to raid the existing AL and NL. So overall, I think that Connie Mack, created tanking, at least in a rudimentary form.
NBA enacted the lottery after the olajuwan '84 draft. Yet nba rigged their first ever lottery in '85 to get ewing to their big market of choice...nyc and knicks. And pens in '83-'84 season were calling up guys that had no business playing in the nhl latter part of that season. One sub-par goalie was called up and got shelled for 10 goals. Once tank job was complete they lost season finale to isle four straight cup winner 2-1. When asked about supposed tank job years later eddie johnston just laffed about it. It was so obvious he didn't know what to say about it. And nords tanked for Lindros in '90-'91 season. The only problem with that is that Lindros said he would never play for them. Nords still drafted him anyway. Real reason? Nord owner Michel Aubut supposedly made a pass on Lindros's mother. So Lindros the best prospect to come out since mario held out forcing the '92 trade to flyers. And forcing nords out of q c by end of '94-'95 season. The resulting trade package nords got for Lindros from flyers paid off in two cups...for Col. Av's. And thanks to the '95 p. roy trade with habs that never happens if nords stayed in q c. And nhl didn't add the lottery until '94 draft after drunken sen gm bragged about tanking for the top pick in '93 draft. Notorious draft bust Alexande Daigle.
The Cubs didn't tank. At least not in the window that you're suggesting.
-Zambrano was declining and a clubhouse cancer. They traded him for Chris Volstad, who was 23 at the time and was a strong bounce-back candidate.
-Samardzija wanted more money than he was worth, so they shipped him to Oakland for a package featuring Addison Russell while he was cheap and under team control.
-Garza was in the same boat as Samardzija, except he was in a visible decline, so they shipped him while they could actually get something for him. They received a few years of solid relief in Carl Edwards Jr. and Justin Grimm while taking a chance on Mike Olt.
-Feldman had one solid season in his entire career. When it looked like he might be having his second, they shipped him for two nobodies in Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop.
-Andrew Cashner was just another "next best thing" prospect for the Cubs. They always had one in the early 2000s and they never panned out, so instead of letting him flounder, they traded him for Anthony Rizzo. He's been pretty okay.
-Bryan LaHair was an all-star based on less than a month of solid play for a team with (probably) the largest fan base. He ended 2012 with an OPS of .784 and played even worse in Japan the following year.
tl;dr
The Cubs traded five pitchers that weren't helping them win and released a minor league journeyman. Six of the eleven players they received in return were on their 2016 championship roster.
There are Three Levels of "Tanking".
1. Developing Young Talent with Playing Time.
2. Purposeful losing for draft picks.
3. Being the 2000s Detroit Lions.
If the title was called “Who invented Choking?” That would be Atlanta Sports Teams as a whole
I think your better off long term just going for consistent excellence. Yankees, Lakers, Patriots don’t tank. Even the Lakers post Kobe pre Lebron. They weren’t tanking. They were young but they tried. These organizations have too much pride. And it seems to work.
Regarding the Eagles benching Jalen Hurts for the 4th quarter against WFT, he was like 7/20 for 53 yards before being taken out of the game for Sudfeld. So no, Hurts was not playing good at all before being taken out and idk why that narrative is still being perpetuated. Enough time has passed for us to all admit that he sucked and under normal circumstances he would have been benched for being that bad.
Chicago black socks (White Sox) scandal happened in 1919(if not 1909 or between) I believe...players intentionally lost the world series... some say that it was done to repay a gambling debt by a or some players... regardless it was definitely done...not up for debate
I think tanking would be more accepted if teams just owned up to it in put in their 2nd and 3rd string players. Teams that tank and put on an act and pretend there tanking and basically using deception when there actually not fooling anybody I think that's kind of messed up.
Serie a case is special
Because outside north america there is no "tanking" . If you lose on purpose constantly you and your family are in danger haha
Let's say that instead of tanking you're cannon fodder
Calling losing on purpose out of spite, tanking, isn’t fair. Tanking should just be losing on purpose for long term goal. Tanking so your rival don’t get what they want shouldn’t be called tanking. The more interesting “tank”, to me, is group stage in other sports, such as football or soccer. If you already qualified for the next round and a strong team within your group can get eliminated if you lose or draw and you decide to do so, that should be considered tanking, even if it’s merely one match. There has been various instances of these in the World Cup, with ravenous response from the fans.
You should have looked into the NHL 1991 draft. Leafs had not first rounder and sucked. Nordiques had theirs, sucked but had some vets who really hated to lose and the Nords knew that. What did they do? Trade the 3 vets to the leafs for crap. Nords got Lindros and the leafs now are known for trading the pick that became Scott Nydermyer and not Lindros
Tanking started with the Brits in 1916.
Maybe I should have watched the video first.....
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