I was studying with a student from China. I told her about the coming earth, everyone working together. I said, have you ever heard anything like this before? She said yes, communism.
@@Eric_01 "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that THEY ARE the ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who SET THEIR MIND ON EARTHLY THINGS. from OUR CITIZENSHIP IS IN HEAVEN, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior,the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able to subdue all things to Himself." Phil.3:18-21 Those who set their mind on EARTHLY things are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
Are the just GBs just as brainwashed as all JWs? What is their purpose in the JW religion. I know in Scientology the higher ups really believe in it too. Same with the Mormons. Moshi
@@LoXena It's called a Bible. The world would be a better place if everyone was a devoted Jehovahs Witness. But Satan won't allow ya'll to see that because ya'll hate the truth.
@travishardy1761 Yes, at times we all are. It is called religious trauma. And it was done to us by people who told us tjey had our best interests in mind. Often even by family. We suffered abuse, so how could we not at times feel sad or even miserable ?
@bruderk4257 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Stop lying. Nobody suffers trauma. Ya'll just hate the truth and enjoy being deceived by Satan himself. You choose to be blind and tell lies like you're doing now.
Lloyd, appreciate the material you present with your thoughts in a coherent and logical manner. Of course, without question, you have the knack for stimulating critical thinking in others. The declaration of good news this assemblage is disseminating to all those who are adherents of this group hoping and looking forward to living forever in this promised paradisiacal wonderland on this planet are in for a rude awakening. Anyone that possess an inquisitive and curious mind and also enjoy engaging in investigative probing and not fearful of the answers from the results that are brought to your attention; look up from any source of your choosing; the future of the sun. 🔍🔎💫🌞🌟🌎😮😟🔥
So true I was converted in the early 2000 s but out now after Covid so so sorry for all the beautiful people that actually believe this with all their hearts etc was going through a very bad times personally and in my business life that’s how they got me unfortunately they prey on people going through a difficult time etc so glad iam out of it but still devoted over 20 years of my life to this organisation and that what they are nothing to do with god or Jesus it’s all focused on the organisation
Ahhh, how seriously entertaining you are 😂. Gratitude Lloyd 🙌. Always adore your convention rebuttals! Thankyou for the profound, insightful & important work you do.
I personally know Shari. She is my older sisters best friend. She got DF because her husband was cheating with their congregation befriends wife and she got depressed and started smoking cigarettes. Then a couple years later her youngest daughter sadly took her own life at like 13 I think, I can’t quite remember anymore. The girl playing her in the videos is her actual oldest daughter whose husband was put in jail for child SA but never DF from what I remember. We used to be in this congregation many moons ago, and she ran with the hoity toity crowd. I remember going to her wedding when I was a little girl to her first husband Cliff and it was known knowledge that she got pregnant before they were married but never got in any trouble for it at the time. Fast forward again to when she got disfellowshipped my father in law was on the committee and I remember she was not even DF even a year I think it was like 6 months. I personally think it’s because this was a total party congregation and she threw some pretty good parties.
Sadly, I have knowledge about this too. She went by a different name back then, she became an alcoholic after her husband (an elder) was caught cheating. At that time, she forgave him, but went to AA and met a guy there, cheated with him, and her husband refused to forgive HER. They got divorced. She went on to have a daughter with another guy...as post above states... Her ex, the elder, and father of the girl playing "young" her in the video, well he married a young blonde and had twin boys and simply switched halls.
@@mongeesmama3049 Wow it really gives another perspective. They really won't tell the real story behind because otherwise people would realize how f up it is.
Hey Lloyd, hope you’re doing well. I love your rebuttals. You’ve been my number 1 guy for 6 plus years when it comes to wading through these JW videos, talks, etc. I would love to see you putting out more content but I’ll always be appreciative of whatever you’re able to put out 🙂🙂🙂🙂
Thank you for your continued content. I just joined your book of life membership on patreon. Idk what I would have done without you when I was deconstructing. Love from Ks, USA
And that married couple! They change from Joy of newness and Life to rigid, worried WT robots going through a mud puddle in their car. And they can’t even do meditation. When asked: “What did you say?” The couple admits they froze but they got homework. Oh Gee. You know, WT shows these young people who have not yet experienced life. They don’t show the forgotten elderly in Nursing Homes. They do not show widows or homeless or terminally ill. They show young, perky adults (gullible), the targets of the WT BUSINESS.
As usual, What a brilliant review this is Lloyd. Great thanks for exposing the manipulative, infantilising tactics of the GB of JWs in their videos and Talks. Thank you again for the very fitting phrase you used for all PIMIs ..."a GB Drone" 👍👍👏
41:20 Discouraging young ones from looking for a career in “this world”. I was told the same growing up as a JW. My life was and is hard because of it. I hope many more young ones will leave this oppressive manmade organization and follow their dreams and talents!!!!
Yes I was told the same, never encouraged to go to college or cultivate a skill to support myself. Thankfully now in my 40’s I’m going to college and finding my passion and a job to pay the bills!!!
I loved the conspiracy that the Colleges and Universities are scouring Kingdom Halls for potential students because Watchtower has trained their young ones with the perfect skill set prized by said Universities. It's as crazy as TM's rant that gay men go into the fashion industry so they can design tight pants that men will buy, and they can then stalk said men to watch them in their tight pants. Who listens to this stuff and concludes "that all sound reasonable to me". Great job on the video.
Those that believe these ludicrous theories and prejudicial beliefs, are those that have had their powers of reasoning, of critical thinking and cognitive clarity removed and they are function solely on Cult Micromanagent and Intimidation. The very first thing that Religious Cults, like Watchtower Org, do, is removed all Personal Boundaries and Self Driven Beliefs and replace them with Cult Imposed Doubts, Deep Seated Fears and Shame Centered Guilt Tripping. Once the person becomes Codependent,Trauma Bonded and Reliant Fully Upon the Cult; They become a Completely Moldable Source for Cult Agendas and Propaganda. Zero Individuality is left. Zero Personally Held Convictions or Discernment is left. I often say to a Staunch JW I know personally; "If the GB told You that the sky is actually purple🟣 and that Satan is merely convincing The World that it is Blue🔵, You'd accept it without any debate. Without a moments thought or rejection. Ridiculous? You "wouldn't", because you know the truth? Well...Why then, do you not allow yourself to question, every other declaration and expectation from these Men? Why don't you choose to staunchly uphold other personally held beliefs that contradict what these Men are pushing? It's because, These Men are in control of your life, and not yourself as you profess to be."
@dwaynecaron5629, Well, the Society seems to talk down to its followers as if they were incredibly incompetent, unfortunately. The idea that gay men create fashionable pants just so that they get check out JW men who buy them and wear them. What balderdash. Even if gay men were checking you out because they think you look sexy in tight pants, all you would have to do is say thanks but no thanks. If anything, gay dudes thinking you look hot in tight pants, wouldn't that be a compliment? Isn't it better than having someone think you look like a total toad face? The idea of colleges and universities wanting JWs to attend their institutions because of their skill set--wouldn't that actually be a good thing? Oh, don't get me wrong, all work-related institutions want to use your skills to make money off of you. That's part of living in a society that practices a rather unsustainable form of capitalism. I believe workers should own the means of production, personally. Why wouldn't God want to be all you can be in this life? Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist, but still. What makes the Governing Body so sure that God would be happy with you ignoring and neglecting your potential if you have the chance to do something with it?
The hippie couple was such a bummer. They were so fun in the beginning, and then had all the fun sucked out of them. I also agree about the poor mother in the Jesus drama, and just the overall drama itself. All the hype was for naught.
28:47 I agree. They were pretty much portrayed as high schoolers. They were shown to be like kids, not adults. I was also surprised by the portrayal of volunteering and meditation as "bad things". Kinda highlights how many other lives are affected when people give up helping others to help only one group.
As a JW myself of some 30 plus years but faded, i have to say i never stopped associating with "worldly" people both socially and professionally. I paid little attention to the organisation's admonishments to "not associate" ( socially) with non JWs. In the time I spent in the organisation, I found the friendships to be very conditional and somewhat fake. Their idea of "wholesome" socialising was having a meal together followed ideally by the singing of kingdom songs or discussions on "how I came into the Truth" etc. Ive noticed however, many children of the JWs I grew up with have left the organisation and some have well and truly "let loose" and gone to extremes in being the very opposite to the ultra conformist personalities often developed within the organisation. Interestingly though some of the most dedicated JW parents I knew, DID allow their children to go to university thus allowing them to become professionals in various fields. I guess the parents did have SOME sense of reality in terms of what their kids should do in terms of employment and living independently financially. In my case, in fading, I had no trouble at all in going about my life outside the organisation. Indeed , so absolutely hypocritical were some VERY prominent elders I knew in our congregation who were so heavily and deeply involved in secular businesses ( to reaping the rewards of materialism- but hey, I have to make a living right? ) to the extent that their children on the urging of their "spiritually minded" parents also eventually followed in the same line of business and so great was the pressure to succeed it ended with one tragically taking their own life. If I ever see that elder again, I may want to ask him whether it was all worth it?Preaching one thing from the platform but leading a contrary life to what is espoused by the Christ. Also I cant help notice how much this organisation is run like the dystopian government described in George Orwells "1984". The resemblance is uncanny.
Don’t demand your own rights says Mr Bell. It’s funny how the watchtower demands rights and takes court action at the drop of a hat. Norway takes grants away and the JWs demand the grants as being their right. Even the earlier mention about the watchtower going to the European courts because their rights were impinged upon. It’s not like other religions had their rights removed or limited in Georgia either. In other words don’t complain if we remove your rights but if anyone else removes the organisation’s rights as a whole we must institute legal action.
@murph8411, I don't think any religious institution deserves government funds, especially if they don't engage in charity work that could benefit anyone in need. The Watch Tower Society only cares about civil rights as long as it involves their adherents being able to practice the Witness faith. The Society is very litigious and will take action on that front. All other civil rights are irrelevant to them. They didn't advocate for desegregation in the American South during the Civil Rights Movement. They would never advocate for women's civil liberties or the LGBTQIA+ community's civil rights, unfortunately--even though most JWs are women, and most probably know someone (even in their own family) or work with someone who is LGBT. The civil rights of immigrants don't matter unless you, as a JW, are able to go into detention facility or camp to proselytize to them, apparently.
If the Governing Body really cares about the treatment of Witness women, then how about taking domestic abuse cases involving female victims within your denomination seriously? How about treating JW women who survived an incident of rape that did not call out for help for whatever reason like human beings and give them the comfort and support that they both need and deserve.
I don’t mean to interrupt, but I was just so shocked and in such awe of the way that those people drove through that mud puddle!! WOW! Jehovah must have been sitting on the roof.
Hi all hope you are all doing well LE 's Family. Anywayz thanks so much Mr.Loyd for your brilliant work you do congratulation !and just to let you know you look gorgeous Loyd day by day ❤ you Loyd and planning to meet you as soon as I get better physically.Keep doing good job and take care❤❤
The shriveled balls on Lett to sarcastically criticize a parent for not having exposed their kids to any kind of violence what-so-ever...AT THE SOCIETY'S OWN DIRECTION!!! And now he's implying that it's made their kids too soft because they can't handle the extreme apocalyptic nightmares that are their videos and art? I can't. It's just insanity.
I was explaining to a Dr my anxiety over being pregnant and telling them how all our family had been saying we should have waited till paradise to get pregnant. The Dr set down the papers and looked up at me in shock and said if one is in paradise isn’t everyone already dead?
I really liked the comparison between the JW being persecuted by other denominations, and they persecute anyone who leaves because they think differently
@JAMESANdjames9, In the world of Jehovah's Witnesses, it's one rule for the goose and another for the gander. Yes, it's always morally wrong when the JWs (or any other religious group) undergo persecution by any government and have to endure verbal, emotional and physical abuse from adherents of other faiths-- there's no question about that. It's also just as wrong to refer to former Witnesses as "mentally diseased" because their religious or moral beliefs have changed. You can believe that ex-Witnesses' apostasy will doom them to die at Armageddon all you want, it's no different than the belief that God will send unrepentant sinners to burn in Hell for all of eternity after their mortal deaths, that doesn't bother me. But us being "mentally diseased" because we no longer believe in JW doctrine? Really?
Did you notice the man got rid of his earring and doesn't have the hole in his ear? This is beyond ridiculous. This couple was FINE beforehand. I can't even
About a year before i got out I was at a KH building project and got grilled by a single pioneer sister who at first seemed interested.. At this time I was 22, had been a ministerial servant since I was 18, had parts on every meeting, had parts on assemblies and conventions and gave public talks. When I said im not a regular pioneer because I have to work full time she immediately got turned off and never saw or talked to her again. Made me feel conpletely defeated and not good enough. Its no wonder so many JW marriages fail when all that matters is whats on the spiritual resume.
Lloyd I was howling with laughter at your assessment of the “guilty” lady at 13 minutes in - you are a riot Thank you- just puts the icing on top of the dung
I think also avoiding things like the news helps you disconnect further from humanity around you and just living in a zoned out bubble. They're reminded often not to dwell on the actual suffering going on.
My thought when he mentioned Paul’s education was that Paul used his education to his advantage to reach people. But their take away was actually that Paul’s education was rubbish 🤔
I have been in the truth now for 2 years. I have never been happier in my life. We are true Bible students. The fact that you would knock someone for reading the Bible instead of reading worldly / fictional books is so horrible. We all need to be as far out of the world as possible. I was at this convention and the one the year before. The movies were so informative and enlightening. My wife and were so disappointed the convention ended. We love where we are in our lives and look forward to getting baptized at the assembly in September. Romans 12:1-2
1:02:00 Sounds like the organisation uses its elders to breed future drones now. Things get more and more bizarre over time. Watching this talk, my fear of what is to happen grows.
😢Lloyd that clip of Stephen Bell about disfellowshipping should make its way to the Norway crowd because the WT legal team has tried to confuse the issue about DFing just to hang on to their free Danish Kröne.
lol, a couple studying with JWs who are laughing, dancing, handing out free food at a charity it seems. That will stop if they become JWs unless JWs do charity work or contribute to charities now? It would be the first I’ve heard of them doing any charity as they like to as you how you’re helping your fellow man (telling them they’ll be destroyed unless they believe what they’re preaching) but quickly divert anything you say about actual charity or helping people.
“You could have a lopsided Kingdom Hall”……yes follow the direction of Jehovah’s organization and quick build that Kingdom Hall so mold can quickly make the structure toxic and unusable…..oh yea, they learned their lesson with that whole “quick build” fiasco……smh
There are almost no news reports or TV features about JW here in Germany. I really can't remember having seen one (except for the shooting in Hamburg in March of 2023). But in other countries it may be different.
41:47 - "The work environment today is toxic" Seriously!! My work environment isn't concealing CSA. I can't believe brother 🔔end said that. Anyone else find him as slimy and gruesome as I do?
The acting in the Biblical drama is no less cringey. Apparently, the Watch Tower Society forgot that bad acting is a sin, or least it should be. "I am not pleased!" - Jehovah/YHWH/Elohim/Adonai.
Funny how the brother taking the study said, "When Jesus said, "go out and preach to make disciples, he was talking to us." Yet the NT is primarily for the anointed according to WT. So why does the preaching work have to involve the rank n file JW's? The NT and Jesus' teachings doesn’t apply to them.
But again he was speaking only to the eleven when he said go out and preach. It doesn’t say you go out and tell everyone else that believes you to also go out preaching.
@murph8411 Exactly. Had I known when I was studying to become a JW that the NT doesn't apply to us (according to WT) I'd have told my study teacher that. Theres so much I wasn't informed of prior to my baptism, I feel I was duped.
"The only solution is being occupied with Jehova''s news." No, my friend. How about switching off the TV (or even just CHANGING THE PROGRAMME! You're in Germany, they have some of the best TV Shows in the world!!!), or getting a HOBBY, entering one of the thousands of "Vereine" (clubs) for whatever interest you have?? And of course, getting some psychotherapy for your depressive symptoms, which I understand is a challenge in the German health system... But the only solution is NOT entering a cult with the prospect of ARMAGGEDON... Geez. 😂 (I'm late this time, Lloyd. But thank you for the new videos, they're just always a guarantee for sanity and rationality! 🙏)
And OMG this Steve Bell is the absolute sociopath. This is a HORRIFIC talk!! Totally devoid of logic, it's only "obey or d1e!" And cherry on top, of course the woman will be to blame if the partner does something awful because SHE didn't choose wisely.... This is pure evil. Sociopathy at its best.
I actually get the shakes watching the jw couple try to convert the ‘worldly couple’. Jesus said at Mathew 11:28-30 ‘come to me all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest…my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ Remember why he said this, because of all the restrictions and rules of the Pharisees. Anyone who is a jw or studying to be one and starting to jump thru all the hoops should consider this scripture and why he said these words.
@@gustavscholten597 , Lloyd does a good job at maintaining his cool. An excellent job really. Sadly, RUclips doesn't pay its employees who are content creators very well, not unless you're someone like Mr. Beast--and to me, that's REALLY yucky.
I can only imagine how triggering the murder of those children would be for mothers, mothers to be, or mothers who may have lost a baby. 😢 My heart goes out to them. What does Steven Lett care about children anyway, since he views them as little enemies of God. 😮😮
Where indeed is the humility from the leaders of this religion. Where, WHERE are the apologies for the thousands of unreported CSA cases; the lives lost due to changes in the misinterpreted blood doctrine, for the decades of harassment of men that couldn’t maintain a womanly smooth shaven face every single day; for the millions that were promised that they wouldn’t die, for the hypocritical double speak on issues like education and judging, etc, etc,. Where’s the humility ? WHERE ?
@ShoNuffSoulBro1, Humble? Humble?! The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses can't be humble...after all, humility is for sinners and for God-haters who only think they're happy without Jehovah's loving, one true Organization. What in the world are you thinking?! You see what all that independent and apostate thinking does to your brain? It's nothing but pure brain rot. Pure Satanic brain rot.
Hi Lloyd, I am keen to start something to try and help children have rights or know their rights in cults. In my family, a sibling of mine was sexually abused and my parents were advised not to go to the authorities. Unfortunately they have since returned (covid) and changed their story of twenty years since re-studying. I want to help change things for children or at least move things along.
@@woketointelofjws6670 I have contacted children's charities and I know children's rights is a growing topic. I hope to do research into the psychological affects of cults like this on children and hopefully provide evidence of their basic rights being ignored to encourage change or at least some steps towards change.
I've contacted children's charities in the hope that I can provide evidence of the psychological damage to children in cults like this. The NSPCC was very keen to hear about my experiences and I'm going to find out what kind of information might help make changes for children and their rights. I'm hoping to do it as my dissertation for my psychology degree.
What's with that guy in the video at the 16th minute talking about all the bad news?!literally that was all of us during the pandemic! I just watched breakfast TV on channel 4 instead 😂
You know what bothers me about the drama of the young couple who become JWs? An angel hovering in midair is willing to watch over them as they prepare to evangelize in their local community and as they rev their car through a big mud puddle on their way to participate in Field Service---but is that same angel going to go help a starving, sick non-Jehovah's Witness child living in a remote African village by providing that baby with good, tasty, nutritious food and making sure that the child has access to quality healthcare and a good education? Or do angels only care about you if you're thinking about becoming a Witness, or if you're already a Jehovah's Witness?
10:40 I think you exagerated this ''sacrifice reading normal book for reading more bible'' thing. I mean, i am not a JW, i am a ... non deminanitonal, non religiuous christian, and I do ""sacrifice"" video game time, and other lecture and other stuff I like, because I also like to read the bible and I want to read it more. It is a personnal choice. And not only endoctrinated JW chose I am a big fan of your video and arguments in general tho. like, the 11 manipulation tactics, and 14 Bible Verses That Debunk Jehovah's Witness Shunning. thats fire. keep it up bruh
@Maxime-uo2iv, Well, I think what Lloyd means that is instead of reading fictional non-JW literature a Witness should really be more dedicated to reading the Bible and studying the Governing Body's interpretation of the Bible through the Watch Tower Society's own literature. Reading fictional non-JW literature for pleasure is essentially just a waste of time and an unnecessary distraction from one's religious life as a JW in the Society's eyes. The difference between the JWs and you, a self-professed nondenominational Christian who leads a mostly secular life, is that you don't have to abide by anyone else's specific interpretation of the Bible and you probably don't have anyone else telling what you should or should not be reading; you probably do not have anyone threatening you with divine punishment or estrangement from your family and friends if you aren't abiding by another person's, a congregation's or an organized denomination's specific interpretation of the Bible, or if you're not reading the Bible as often as they want you to.
When the couple was "worldly" the music was happy, when the couple got the first time in contact with JWs the music got slightly sad, did you notice it? Strange also this: Jesus told his disciples to teach and baptize, in a same command. When it comes to preach and teach, it is everyone's duty, but when it comes to baptize only the Org is permitted to do it. Should not the same people teach and also baptize?
Hi. JWs came to my house and we chatted for 15 mins. I managed to get in a mention of Tony Morris and asked what happened to him and that I had heard some of his videos had been removed. The lady JW said they had not and there are still vids of him. Does anyone have a list of a few vids that are known to have been removed as I said I would let them know. I know Lloyd and other commentators have done vids about the missing videos but a few examples of date of the orig videos would be great. I also asked about why JWs were not allowed to see the shepherd the flock books if that is the book that they in essence have to work too and the answer was it’s all elsewhere in other publications (just not in the one place !). Again any thoughts if that’s it true
I was studying with a student from China. I told her about the coming earth, everyone working together. I said, have you ever heard anything like this before? She said yes, communism.
Yes, that's the false "paradise earth" gospel.😂
@@mattmurdock2868 There's as much or more biblical support for the paradise earth than there is for heaven. Sorry.
Are you still a JW? That's the way it sounds what the Chinese girl.
Moshi
@@Eric_01
"For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that THEY ARE the ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who SET THEIR MIND ON EARTHLY THINGS. from OUR CITIZENSHIP IS IN HEAVEN, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior,the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able to subdue all things to Himself."
Phil.3:18-21
Those who set their mind on EARTHLY things are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
Are the just GBs just as brainwashed as all JWs?
What is their purpose in the JW religion.
I know in Scientology the higher ups really believe in it too.
Same with the Mormons.
Moshi
The organisations idea of "humble" means "uneducated" and "not asking any questions."
Just like it was back in the day.
Sheeplike 🐑
Like you?
@@travishardy1761 nah like how they want the followers to be.
@@LoXena It's called a Bible. The world would be a better place if everyone was a devoted Jehovahs Witness. But Satan won't allow ya'll to see that because ya'll hate the truth.
I'm so glad to be out of the cult.
Yet you're still unhappy and miserable.
@travishardy1761
Yes, at times we all are. It is called religious trauma. And it was done to us by people who told us tjey had our best interests in mind. Often even by family. We suffered abuse, so how could we not at times feel sad or even miserable ?
@bruderk4257 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Stop lying. Nobody suffers trauma. Ya'll just hate the truth and enjoy being deceived by Satan himself. You choose to be blind and tell lies like you're doing now.
@bruderk4257 No such thing as religious trauma stop lying clown.
Thank you for the reminder of what this organisation truly is.
Thanks for another convention rebuttal! You are the BEST,,!!!!!!
Thanks Lloyd, keep them coming.
Lloyd, appreciate the material you present with your thoughts in a coherent and logical manner. Of course, without question, you have the knack for stimulating critical thinking in others. The declaration of good news this assemblage is disseminating to all those who are adherents of this group hoping and looking forward to living forever in this promised paradisiacal wonderland on this planet are in for a rude awakening. Anyone that possess an inquisitive and curious mind and also enjoy engaging in investigative probing and not fearful of the answers from the results that are brought to your attention; look up from any source of your choosing; the future of the sun. 🔍🔎💫🌞🌟🌎😮😟🔥
Thank you, Lloyd. Well done, as always.
Great rebuttals !...keep them coming and don't take so long for new ones,got me waiting for new uploads.tnks for your insight!
So true I was converted in the early 2000 s but out now after Covid so so sorry for all the beautiful people that actually believe this with all their hearts etc was going through a very bad times personally and in my business life that’s how they got me unfortunately they prey on people going through a difficult time etc so glad iam out of it but still devoted over 20 years of my life to this organisation and that what they are nothing to do with god or Jesus it’s all focused on the organisation
Ahhh, how seriously entertaining you are 😂. Gratitude Lloyd 🙌. Always adore your convention rebuttals! Thankyou for the profound, insightful & important work you do.
My pleasure! Thank you Frances! 🙂
"Let's roll the first clip.." Music to my ears 🥹🤩😎
Well done my friend!
Thanx Lloyd, well put! ❤
Hearing the music accompanying the worldly couple turned witnesses and the angel feels like loading music from the sims
I personally know Shari. She is my older sisters best friend. She got DF because her husband was cheating with their congregation befriends wife and she got depressed and started smoking cigarettes. Then a couple years later her youngest daughter sadly took her own life at like 13 I think, I can’t quite remember anymore. The girl playing her in the videos is her actual oldest daughter whose husband was put in jail for child SA but never DF from what I remember. We used to be in this congregation many moons ago, and she ran with the hoity toity crowd. I remember going to her wedding when I was a little girl to her first husband Cliff and it was known knowledge that she got pregnant before they were married but never got in any trouble for it at the time. Fast forward again to when she got disfellowshipped my father in law was on the committee and I remember she was not even DF even a year I think it was like 6 months. I personally think it’s because this was a total party congregation and she threw some pretty good parties.
Sadly, I have knowledge about this too. She went by a different name back then, she became an alcoholic after her husband (an elder) was caught cheating. At that time, she forgave him, but went to AA and met a guy there, cheated with him, and her husband refused to forgive HER. They got divorced. She went on to have a daughter with another guy...as post above states... Her ex, the elder, and father of the girl playing "young" her in the video, well he married a young blonde and had twin boys and simply switched halls.
@@mongeesmama3049 Wow it really gives another perspective. They really won't tell the real story behind because otherwise people would realize how f up it is.
Amazing video- I'm learning so much!
Hey Lloyd, hope you’re doing well. I love your rebuttals. You’ve been my number 1 guy for 6 plus years when it comes to wading through these JW videos, talks, etc. I would love to see you putting out more content but I’ll always be appreciative of whatever you’re able to put out 🙂🙂🙂🙂
Thank you for your continued content. I just joined your book of life membership on patreon. Idk what I would have done without you when I was deconstructing. Love from Ks, USA
I got the notification through and was so happy! Thank you so much for your support Marissa and congratulations on your exit!
Love, love, love the “Good Things / Bad Things” song!
Wow! Me too! That was indeed a great song!
(And I recognise the exact same faulty, redundant logic in the New Age community.)
And that married couple! They change from Joy of newness and Life to rigid, worried WT robots going through a mud puddle in their car. And they can’t even do meditation. When asked: “What did you say?” The couple admits they froze but they got homework. Oh Gee. You know, WT shows these young people who have not yet experienced life. They don’t show the forgotten elderly in Nursing Homes. They do not show widows or homeless or terminally ill. They show young, perky adults (gullible), the targets of the WT BUSINESS.
As usual, What a brilliant review this is Lloyd. Great thanks for exposing the manipulative, infantilising tactics of the GB of JWs in their videos and Talks. Thank you again for the very fitting phrase you used for all PIMIs ..."a GB Drone" 👍👍👏
Thanks! I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
41:20 Discouraging young ones from looking for a career in “this world”.
I was told the same growing up as a JW. My life was and is hard because of it. I hope many more young ones will leave this oppressive manmade organization and follow their dreams and talents!!!!
Yes I was told the same, never encouraged to go to college or cultivate a skill to support myself. Thankfully now in my 40’s I’m going to college and finding my passion and a job to pay the bills!!!
@@bobbiefritz2525 , aw, I’m happy for you!!!!
Lloyd this is hilarious. I know it's a serious topic but you deliver it with such humour. If only JWs could see how ridiculous this religion is
THEY CAN'T SEE BECAUSE THEY SEE THE CLOWNS IN YA'LL.
This is proof, I think they are better than everyone else calling themselves the best people on earth
Agree
I appreciate you and your channel. Thank you for this video.
You're the best, Lloyd. Simply the best! How can these guys take themselves seriously? Thank you for letting us laugh, and laughing with us.
I loved the conspiracy that the Colleges and Universities are scouring Kingdom Halls for potential students because Watchtower has trained their young ones with the perfect skill set prized by said Universities. It's as crazy as TM's rant that gay men go into the fashion industry so they can design tight pants that men will buy, and they can then stalk said men to watch them in their tight pants. Who listens to this stuff and concludes "that all sound reasonable to me". Great job on the video.
Well, if they're being recruited for window cleaning, then it might be true.
Those that believe these ludicrous theories and prejudicial beliefs, are those that have had their powers of reasoning, of critical thinking and cognitive clarity removed and they are function solely on Cult Micromanagent and Intimidation.
The very first thing that Religious Cults, like Watchtower Org, do, is removed all Personal Boundaries and Self Driven Beliefs and replace them with Cult Imposed Doubts, Deep Seated Fears and Shame Centered Guilt Tripping.
Once the person becomes Codependent,Trauma Bonded and Reliant Fully Upon the Cult; They become a Completely Moldable Source for Cult Agendas and Propaganda.
Zero Individuality is left.
Zero Personally Held Convictions or Discernment is left.
I often say to a Staunch JW I know personally; "If the GB told You that the sky is actually purple🟣 and that Satan is merely convincing The World that it is Blue🔵, You'd accept it without any debate. Without a moments thought or rejection. Ridiculous? You "wouldn't", because you know the truth? Well...Why then, do you not allow yourself to question, every other declaration and expectation from these Men? Why don't you choose to staunchly uphold other personally held beliefs that contradict what these Men are pushing? It's because, These Men are in control of your life, and not yourself as you profess to be."
@dwaynecaron5629,
Well, the Society seems to talk down to its followers as if they were incredibly incompetent, unfortunately. The idea that gay men create fashionable pants just so that they get check out JW men who buy them and wear them. What balderdash. Even if gay men were checking you out because they think you look sexy in tight pants, all you would have to do is say thanks but no thanks. If anything, gay dudes thinking you look hot in tight pants, wouldn't that be a compliment? Isn't it better than having someone think you look like a total toad face?
The idea of colleges and universities wanting JWs to attend their institutions because of their skill set--wouldn't that actually be a good thing? Oh, don't get me wrong, all work-related institutions want to use your skills to make money off of you. That's part of living in a society that practices a rather unsustainable form of capitalism. I believe workers should own the means of production, personally. Why wouldn't God want to be all you can be in this life? Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist, but still. What makes the Governing Body so sure that God would be happy with you ignoring and neglecting your potential if you have the chance to do something with it?
As always good commentary, Lloyd.
The hippie couple was such a bummer. They were so fun in the beginning, and then had all the fun sucked out of them. I also agree about the poor mother in the Jesus drama, and just the overall drama itself. All the hype was for naught.
Love you Lloyd! ✌️
Spot on, great points as usual. Thank you x
28:47 I agree. They were pretty much portrayed as high schoolers. They were shown to be like kids, not adults. I was also surprised by the portrayal of volunteering and meditation as "bad things". Kinda highlights how many other lives are affected when people give up helping others to help only one group.
As a JW myself of some 30 plus years but faded, i have to say i never stopped associating with "worldly" people both socially and professionally. I paid little attention to the organisation's admonishments to "not associate" ( socially) with non JWs. In the time I spent in the organisation, I found the friendships to be very conditional and somewhat fake. Their idea of "wholesome" socialising was having a meal together followed ideally by the singing of kingdom songs or discussions on "how I came into the Truth" etc. Ive noticed however, many children of the JWs I grew up with have left the organisation and some have well and truly "let loose" and gone to extremes in being the very opposite to the ultra conformist personalities often developed within the organisation. Interestingly though some of the most dedicated JW parents I knew, DID allow their children to go to university thus allowing them to become professionals in various fields. I guess the parents did have SOME sense of reality in terms of what their kids should do in terms of employment and living independently financially. In my case, in fading, I had no trouble at all in going about my life outside the organisation. Indeed , so absolutely hypocritical were some VERY prominent elders I knew in our congregation who were so heavily and deeply involved in secular businesses ( to reaping the rewards of materialism- but hey, I have to make a living right? ) to the extent that their children on the urging of their "spiritually minded" parents also eventually followed in the same line of business and so great was the pressure to succeed it ended with one tragically taking their own life. If I ever see that elder again, I may want to ask him whether it was all worth it?Preaching one thing from the platform but leading a contrary life to what is espoused by the Christ. Also I cant help notice how much this organisation is run like the dystopian government described in George Orwells "1984". The resemblance is uncanny.
My eyes rolled so hard when he said working along the best people on earth!
@deyaniratrahan4539,
Sure, there are some great people who are JWs, but simply being a JW doesn't make you one of the best people on earth.
Don’t demand your own rights says Mr Bell. It’s funny how the watchtower demands rights and takes court action at the drop of a hat.
Norway takes grants away and the JWs demand the grants as being their right.
Even the earlier mention about the watchtower going to the European courts because their rights were impinged upon. It’s not like other religions had their rights removed or limited in Georgia either.
In other words don’t complain if we remove your rights but if anyone else removes the organisation’s rights as a whole we must institute legal action.
@murph8411,
I don't think any religious institution deserves government funds, especially if they don't engage in charity work that could benefit anyone in need. The Watch Tower Society only cares about civil rights as long as it involves their adherents being able to practice the Witness faith. The Society is very litigious and will take action on that front. All other civil rights are irrelevant to them. They didn't advocate for desegregation in the American South during the Civil Rights Movement. They would never advocate for women's civil liberties or the LGBTQIA+ community's civil rights, unfortunately--even though most JWs are women, and most probably know someone (even in their own family) or work with someone who is LGBT. The civil rights of immigrants don't matter unless you, as a JW, are able to go into detention facility or camp to proselytize to them, apparently.
If the Governing Body really cares about the treatment of Witness women, then how about taking domestic abuse cases involving female victims within your denomination seriously? How about treating JW women who survived an incident of rape that did not call out for help for whatever reason like human beings and give them the comfort and support that they both need and deserve.
“The Chosen” is an amazing streaming series that you can watch
I don’t mean to interrupt, but I was just so shocked and in such awe of the way that those people drove through that mud puddle!! WOW! Jehovah must have been sitting on the roof.
I was in the same congregation as Paul Castellani, I actually did a part at a convention years ago with him as a speaker.
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The shriveled balls on Lett to sarcastically criticize a parent for not having exposed their kids to any kind of violence what-so-ever...AT THE SOCIETY'S OWN DIRECTION!!! And now he's implying that it's made their kids too soft because they can't handle the extreme apocalyptic nightmares that are their videos and art? I can't. It's just insanity.
That made my blood boil too. Seems like he was giving the parents a big middle finger too, and I’m more than happy to return the favor.
Do they really think people are always talking about how "the world's a mess"?
I was explaining to a Dr my anxiety over being pregnant and telling them how all our family had been saying we should have waited till paradise to get pregnant. The Dr set down the papers and looked up at me in shock and said if one is in paradise isn’t everyone already dead?
I really liked the comparison between the JW being persecuted by other denominations, and they persecute anyone who leaves because they think differently
@JAMESANdjames9,
In the world of Jehovah's Witnesses, it's one rule for the goose and another for the gander. Yes, it's always morally wrong when the JWs (or any other religious group) undergo persecution by any government and have to endure verbal, emotional and physical abuse from adherents of other faiths-- there's no question about that. It's also just as wrong to refer to former Witnesses as "mentally diseased" because their religious or moral beliefs have changed. You can believe that ex-Witnesses' apostasy will doom them to die at Armageddon all you want, it's no different than the belief that God will send unrepentant sinners to burn in Hell for all of eternity after their mortal deaths, that doesn't bother me. But us being "mentally diseased" because we no longer believe in JW doctrine? Really?
Well deserved to the cult anyways. It's their love language
Did you notice the man got rid of his earring and doesn't have the hole in his ear? This is beyond ridiculous. This couple was FINE beforehand. I can't even
About a year before i got out I was at a KH building project and got grilled by a single pioneer sister who at first seemed interested.. At this time I was 22, had been a ministerial servant since I was 18, had parts on every meeting, had parts on assemblies and conventions and gave public talks. When I said im not a regular pioneer because I have to work full time she immediately got turned off and never saw or talked to her again. Made me feel conpletely defeated and not good enough. Its no wonder so many JW marriages fail when all that matters is whats on the spiritual resume.
Lloyd I was howling with laughter at your assessment of the “guilty” lady at 13 minutes in - you are a riot
Thank you- just puts the icing on top of the dung
The thing about watching the news, is burying your head in the sand is NOT the answer to life's issues.
@loisbiddy8248,
Yep. Just ignore it and it'll go away. The ostrich way is always the best way.
It's not for these men to tell anyone what questions to ask or who they can date or marry . It's none of their business
@ericbulman1752,
Very true.
Exactly. They divide relationships and families
The guilty trip is the favorite card playing by this horrible and evil organization
I think also avoiding things like the news helps you disconnect further from humanity around you and just living in a zoned out bubble. They're reminded often not to dwell on the actual suffering going on.
My thought when he mentioned Paul’s education was that Paul used his education to his advantage to reach people. But their take away was actually that Paul’s education was rubbish 🤔
Do not get distracted with higher education, or you may learn critical thinking and see through our nonsense..
As if a young hip couple from the world would join JW in 2024 🤣🤣
I have been in the truth now for 2 years. I have never been happier in my life. We are true Bible students. The fact that you would knock someone for reading the Bible instead of reading worldly / fictional books is so horrible. We all need to be as far out of the world as possible. I was at this convention and the one the year before. The movies were so informative and enlightening. My wife and were so disappointed the convention ended. We love where we are in our lives and look forward to getting baptized at the assembly in September. Romans 12:1-2
Omg! Org. will not let you live a normal life.
@@estherjuan5499 what do you mean by normal?
@@chicanpablo: Here’s what it means: An adult who can think for themselves & make rational decisions. Hope this can help you & your wife.😊
Funny how even JWs have European looking “actors” portraying Middle Eastern characters!
I’m middle eastern and my husband is American and I say the same exact thing 🤣
In my previous comment, I meant to say they think not I think that they are better than everyone else
I knew what you meant!
Struggled.wqtching stream of convention!!!! Much rather watch it with you Lloyd!!!❤
That scream 😱 from the child 😢
1:02:00 Sounds like the organisation uses its elders to breed future drones now. Things get more and more bizarre over time. Watching this talk, my fear of what is to happen grows.
😢Lloyd that clip of Stephen Bell about disfellowshipping should make its way to the Norway crowd because the WT legal team has tried to confuse the issue about DFing just to hang on to their free Danish Kröne.
lol, a couple studying with JWs who are laughing, dancing, handing out free food at a charity it seems. That will stop if they become JWs unless JWs do charity work or contribute to charities now?
It would be the first I’ve heard of them doing any charity as they like to as you how you’re helping your fellow man (telling them they’ll be destroyed unless they believe what they’re preaching) but quickly divert anything you say about actual charity or helping people.
“You could have a lopsided Kingdom Hall”……yes follow the direction of Jehovah’s organization and quick build that Kingdom Hall so mold can quickly make the structure toxic and unusable…..oh yea, they learned their lesson with that whole “quick build” fiasco……smh
I'd missed the yoga mats 🧘🏻♀️ love it!
29:42 “Persecution”
They show this at the convention where children are watching??
That makes me so mad 😠
Some "sensitivity". It's a horror show, but that's the bible for you.
Looking tan and fit Lloyd ❤ Thanks for everything you do for all of us ❤
Thanks Alyssa!
There are almost no news reports or TV features about JW here in Germany. I really can't remember having seen one (except for the shooting in Hamburg in March of 2023). But in other countries it may be different.
They make the news in America for repeated sexual abuse of children.
11:14 plot twist, she reads the books behind her and she wakes up 👀😂
41:47 - "The work environment today is toxic"
Seriously!! My work environment isn't concealing CSA. I can't believe brother 🔔end said that.
Anyone else find him as slimy and gruesome as I do?
He's a charmer. I'm gritting my teeth, but I can't look away.
The acting in the Biblical drama is no less cringey. Apparently, the Watch Tower Society forgot that bad acting is a sin, or least it should be.
"I am not pleased!"
- Jehovah/YHWH/Elohim/Adonai.
I'm PIMO and I'm still trying to leave this cult.
NONE of them can handle a bible skillfully. All they have to know is how to point at their new idolatrous logo and say, "go website".
Funny how the brother taking the study said, "When Jesus said, "go out and preach to make disciples, he was talking to us." Yet the NT is primarily for the anointed according to WT. So why does the preaching work have to involve the rank n file JW's? The NT and Jesus' teachings doesn’t apply to them.
But again he was speaking only to the eleven when he said go out and preach. It doesn’t say you go out and tell everyone else that believes you to also go out preaching.
@murph8411 Exactly. Had I known when I was studying to become a JW that the NT doesn't apply to us (according to WT) I'd have told my study teacher that. Theres so much I wasn't informed of prior to my baptism, I feel I was duped.
I'm concerned about Ellie's drawing. It's taking up far too much of her time. Time that could be better spent on bible study.
"The only solution is being occupied with Jehova''s news." No, my friend. How about switching off the TV (or even just CHANGING THE PROGRAMME! You're in Germany, they have some of the best TV Shows in the world!!!), or getting a HOBBY, entering one of the thousands of "Vereine" (clubs) for whatever interest you have?? And of course, getting some psychotherapy for your depressive symptoms, which I understand is a challenge in the German health system... But the only solution is NOT entering a cult with the prospect of ARMAGGEDON... Geez. 😂 (I'm late this time, Lloyd. But thank you for the new videos, they're just always a guarantee for sanity and rationality! 🙏)
And OMG this Steve Bell is the absolute sociopath. This is a HORRIFIC talk!! Totally devoid of logic, it's only "obey or d1e!" And cherry on top, of course the woman will be to blame if the partner does something awful because SHE didn't choose wisely.... This is pure evil. Sociopathy at its best.
I actually get the shakes watching the jw couple try to convert the ‘worldly couple’. Jesus said at Mathew 11:28-30 ‘come to me all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest…my yoke is easy and my burden is light.’ Remember why he said this, because of all the restrictions and rules of the Pharisees. Anyone who is a jw or studying to be one and starting to jump thru all the hoops should consider this scripture and why he said these words.
The video about the couple is beyond unrealistic.
Harod died in 4 BCE, Watchtower never does any research!
Lloyd, I know that you must experience the rage coursing through your body when you have to watch these videos for your rebuttals. I'm so sorry, dude.
He does it with a smiling face, softly softly, careful not to displease his U tube employers. Yuck !!
@@gustavscholten597 I don't understand your point.
@@gustavscholten597 ,
Lloyd does a good job at maintaining his cool. An excellent job really. Sadly, RUclips doesn't pay its employees who are content creators very well, not unless you're someone like Mr. Beast--and to me, that's REALLY yucky.
I can only imagine how triggering the murder of those children would be for mothers, mothers to be, or mothers who may have lost a baby. 😢 My heart goes out to them.
What does Steven Lett care about children anyway, since he views them as little enemies of God. 😮😮
Where indeed is the humility from the leaders of this religion. Where, WHERE are the apologies for the thousands of unreported CSA cases; the lives lost due to changes in the misinterpreted blood doctrine, for the decades of harassment of men that couldn’t maintain a womanly smooth shaven face every single day; for the millions that were promised that they wouldn’t die, for the hypocritical double speak on issues like education and judging, etc, etc,. Where’s the humility ? WHERE ?
@ShoNuffSoulBro1,
Humble? Humble?! The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses can't be humble...after all, humility is for sinners and for God-haters who only think they're happy without Jehovah's loving, one true Organization. What in the world are you thinking?! You see what all that independent and apostate thinking does to your brain? It's nothing but pure brain rot. Pure Satanic brain rot.
Hi Lloyd, I am keen to start something to try and help children have rights or know their rights in cults. In my family, a sibling of mine was sexually abused and my parents were advised not to go to the authorities. Unfortunately they have since returned (covid) and changed their story of twenty years since re-studying. I want to help change things for children or at least move things along.
That's a great idea
@@woketointelofjws6670 I have contacted children's charities and I know children's rights is a growing topic. I hope to do research into the psychological affects of cults like this on children and hopefully provide evidence of their basic rights being ignored to encourage change or at least some steps towards change.
I've contacted children's charities in the hope that I can provide evidence of the psychological damage to children in cults like this. The NSPCC was very keen to hear about my experiences and I'm going to find out what kind of information might help make changes for children and their rights. I'm hoping to do it as my dissertation for my psychology degree.
I was a victim of csa and other ca. I was born in and put into foster care at 16. I am 36 now and a hypnotherapist. If I can help let me know.
@@wb7801 are you based in the UK
What's with that guy in the video at the 16th minute talking about all the bad news?!literally that was all of us during the pandemic! I just watched breakfast TV on channel 4 instead 😂
They aren't window cleaners anymore they are water meter readers
You know what bothers me about the drama of the young couple who become JWs? An angel hovering in midair is willing to watch over them as they prepare to evangelize in their local community and as they rev their car through a big mud puddle on their way to participate in Field Service---but is that same angel going to go help a starving, sick non-Jehovah's Witness child living in a remote African village by providing that baby with good, tasty, nutritious food and making sure that the child has access to quality healthcare and a good education? Or do angels only care about you if you're thinking about becoming a Witness, or if you're already a Jehovah's Witness?
"Can he handle his bible skillfully or has he got butterfingers?" 🤣
The faces you make after, "Let's roll the first clip" 🤪
lmao so fitting for their 🤡 retorict
Yet to meet a humble and modest JW. Let me know when you come across one.
"Skilfully wield the Bible'? Isn't their MO just to direct ppl to JW.Borg these days?
Always
this is gruesome the way they depict killing a child????poor taste, very strange
1:30 did he spit when he scream no? 💦 That's dezzzzpicable daffy duck 🦆😂😂
JW's allow the bible to be the narrator. Nothing more, nothing less. Do not go beyond the things written.
10:40 I think you exagerated this ''sacrifice reading normal book for reading more bible'' thing. I mean, i am not a JW, i am a ... non deminanitonal, non religiuous christian, and I do ""sacrifice"" video game time, and other lecture and other stuff I like, because I also like to read the bible and I want to read it more. It is a personnal choice. And not only endoctrinated JW chose
I am a big fan of your video and arguments in general tho. like, the 11 manipulation tactics, and 14 Bible Verses That Debunk Jehovah's Witness Shunning.
thats fire. keep it up bruh
@Maxime-uo2iv,
Well, I think what Lloyd means that is instead of reading fictional non-JW literature a Witness should really be more dedicated to reading the Bible and studying the Governing Body's interpretation of the Bible through the Watch Tower Society's own literature. Reading fictional non-JW literature for pleasure is essentially just a waste of time and an unnecessary distraction from one's religious life as a JW in the Society's eyes. The difference between the JWs and you, a self-professed nondenominational Christian who leads a mostly secular life, is that you don't have to abide by anyone else's specific interpretation of the Bible and you probably don't have anyone else telling what you should or should not be reading; you probably do not have anyone threatening you with divine punishment or estrangement from your family and friends if you aren't abiding by another person's, a congregation's or an organized denomination's specific interpretation of the Bible, or if you're not reading the Bible as often as they want you to.
I handled my Bible skillfully once I left the organisation. It went in the bin on my first throw!
at the time of writing this video has "607" likes. I think it should be revised to 587
When the couple was "worldly" the music was happy, when the couple got the first time in contact with JWs the music got slightly sad, did you notice it?
Strange also this: Jesus told his disciples to teach and baptize, in a same command. When it comes to preach and teach, it is everyone's duty, but when it comes to baptize only the Org is permitted to do it. Should not the same people teach and also baptize?
Where can I watch the convention if I wanted to? Without going in person
My answer to that question in 20:42 is Joseph Stalin.
Hi. JWs came to my house and we chatted for 15 mins. I managed to get in a mention of Tony Morris and asked what happened to him and that I had heard some of his videos had been removed. The lady JW said they had not and there are still vids of him. Does anyone have a list of a few vids that are known to have been removed as I said I would let them know. I know Lloyd and other commentators have done vids about the missing videos but a few examples of date of the orig videos would be great.
I also asked about why JWs were not allowed to see the shepherd the flock books if that is the book that they in essence have to work too and the answer was it’s all elsewhere in other publications (just not in the one place !). Again any thoughts if that’s it true
They love that name sophie 😂