My mother just passed away from stomach and bone cancer. Very, very painful disease. The only thing that could touch her pain and give her pain free days was Fentanyl. Liquid morphine, Dilaudid or Oxycodone would only bring her pain down to maybe a 7 out of 10. Fentanyl is a very dangerous drug but definitely has a place in modern medicine. I do not know why anyone would choose to do this drug recreationally because it pretty much incapacitates you from doing anything other than laying around, but for a terminally ill patient Fentanyl is a god-send.
I was a heroin/fentanyl addict. Basically, when people's tolerances get so crazy out of hand they search out fentanyl over heroin because it's much stronger. Today, there is so much fentanyl out there sold as heroin, which is what is killing everyone. It's not as euphoric as heroin, but fentanyl definitely feels really good still.
You see, my condition is pancreatitis and it's exceptionally painful, fentanyl does nothing for the pain but dilaudid does. I guess it's how we process different medications.
lol someone clearly has no idea what they're talking about. just because your mom took a medication doesn't mean you know anything about it... its just a coincidence that other opiates didnt work for her, i guarantee it was a dosage or personal issue...fentanyl is dosed in a way that its literally a joke compared to IVing street heroin or something else strong, yes you will be "knocked out" or w.e but same with anyone who takes any opiate with no tolerance, once you do have a tolerance fentanyl is basically unusable unless you IV it. taking it thru patches isnt going to hurt or kill anyone with a tolerance. but really no point explaining opiates to kids on youtube who will never understand
I was a heroin/fentanyl addict for 6 or 7 years. I chose to use those drugs. No one forced them on me or coerced me into it. I made a poor decision. Thankfully, I've been off heroin for 2.5 years.
Brian Avila I got into a Suboxone treatment program. After about 2 years on that, I switched to taking buprenorphine tablets and I'm still taking those. Now I'm starting to slowly week myself off of them.
When my wife was dying of cancer fentanyl was the pain medicine she used. I put a patch on her shoulder that was 25 micrograms. That was 3 days of medication. I had to use gloves when putting it on her and wash my hands directly after. It was a great drug. Watching someone in their 30’s wish for death from pain is not something I care to repeat.
Hendrix Claus You are obviously conflicted about this as you are aware of the pitfalls of moving forward...a person blindly in love wouldn't even stop to make a distinction or consideration based on the relationship. You should NOT blindly marry her if you have these reservations in your mind...be a positive force in her life and get her to where she needs to be...then, if you still love her, get married.
Fentanyl is AMAZING for pain. A few months back I dislocated my shoulder and was in such extreme pain that even just the weight of my own arm would bring me to tears (i have a fairly high pain tolerance so thats really saying something) I was given fentanyl nasally (not sure the doaage, but it worked just like any nose spray) and within minutes my pain was completely gone. I didnt even feel the doctor pop it back into place. If used properly and safely, it can be amazingly helpful for those experiencing extreme pain. On the flip side, its incredibly dangerous if used improperly. Never abuse fentanyl.
My right shoulder kept dislocating in my earlier years and I can honestly say It's the worst pain I've ever had. I've been in intensive care in a coma and had plenty of broken bones but the shoulder and popping it back in was by far the worst.
The reason for fentanyl overdoses isn’t use of fentanyl, but laced with other drugs and fentanyl appears in the autopsies. I seriously doubt people seek it out
These people that are dying from it should never be taken it in the first place. But the government has made it to where we don't have any other options!! If they need hydrocodone or oxycodone it would have fixed the problem but the government is doing this to us! 80% of people cannot get the pain medication they needed including me and we have massive need and medical documentation saying it's necessary! But the government makes it to where are doctors can't give us what we need! So the drug dealers are in cartels just stepped in to fill the supply and demand in the only one able to do that is the fentanyl cuz everything else is ten times the price and hard to make! You know what as long as cigarettes and alcohol are still legal I think our government should shut the hell up and stop trying to tell us how to run our bodies! They don't have our interests in mind for one damn second it's all about lining their pockets! How many people have alcohol and tobacco killed in the last week! This is all just one big gaslight for the government taking our rights away and telling us what to do with our own body!the government doesn't want fentanyl here because nobody's going to buy oxycodone and dilaudid for $80 a pill if they can get fentanyl for $3 a pill. It is literally that simple!!
Hamilton Morris is a smart guy who really presents the facts behind substances and doesn't sugar coat shit. Thanks for all the information you've given me on certain substances. Valuable research he's conducted whether you think so or not
He is, but I’m wondering why he always says you NEED poppies grown somewhere for morphine & heroin to exist... is it *really* that impossible for one man to synthesize morphine, and then diamorphine??
I've been on fentanyl for 7 years it is not a fun drug to take but being a quadriplegic and in constant pain it does help me feel normal. I know a lot of people that abused it and eventually quit but will no longer be the same. When I started it I realized that I was making a life long decision. The problem is that it was easier to prescribe than pills. Personally I don't think it should be taken outside a hospital because of the risk for abuse
I use to smoke medicinal marijuana to treat my neuromuscular disease. But the pain got severe and they started me on fentanyl. It was hard to get medication at the time and I self medicated for years. Eventually I quit everything for a year then got pneumonia and went into a coma. They had me on iv fentanyl for 6 months and when I woke from the coma I was severely dependent on fentanyl even Propofol. All without my consent. There might be better options but I wasn't given a choice.
No I have a neuromuscular disease Spinal Muscular Atrophy and CMT. But thanks, I've been reducing my medication to the point I don't feel the effects but it helps with the pain
Fentanyl was introduced for people with extremely high tolerance to opiods for pain management from typically terminal illness. It was never for the average pain paitent
Kinda bullshit tbh, it's a very cheap alternative to opiates since it requires no opium for synthesis and ease of transport since it's so potent. It's a great alternative painkiller with a good safety profile, just requires proper procedures to dose it.
@@Christian-os3sh i use it for pain relief. And been using it for years. Just the other day my dr broke down and cried because they are forcing him to stop prescribing it to me. I to did cause its been very helpful to my quality of life. He told me im so sorry u have done everything ive asked and done every drug screen jump through all these hoops and ive watched you suffer every time they stick there head in our business. I even turned in my norcos when started to do better. Now have to go bck to corrupted pain mngment. I have three herniated discs, bone spur lower bck, degenerative disc disorder, herniated neck disk, and cervical straightening of neck, trigeminal neuralgia, and tiez syndrome, and broken foot. These people abusing and dying are now fucking my life up. Noone forced the drugs in them. Like im already treated like criminal for no reason. I have to go under next Thursday and now get checked for crohns. So thnk u people who are trying to kill me with stress. People dnt realize how much stress also affects your health. Fuck feel like im dying cause all this interference.
@@johnmora5830 if you haven't tried it already, have you considered methadone, either prescribed by a pain doctor or from a methadone clinic? its arguably the strongest opioid regularly prescribed outside of fentanyl.
@@itssk1092 no i went to pain mngment today and watch person after person come out just devasted. So i felt it coming they gna taper me down and off with suboxone. Which was made for the drug addicts. They act like cannabis is some miracle drug in pa now like it gna solve the problem. Im gna truly miss being myself. Took me so long to even talk bout what was up with my health. Was always in fog till got help with the pain. Idk ive lost kinda all hope bro. I feel was hard enough watching America rip itself apart. Ya kinda just get tired begging corruption for help. Its funny weed is drug then all sudden medical benefit lol. Its so ass backwards. Pain mngment said unless your having surgery or cancer you basically gotta be human science experiment with other drugs till get them and wrked in auto body industry painting so im chemical sensitive. I just hope maybe one day normal moral righteous Americans will take bck country and make common sense fixs. But not so common so who knows.
SHUT THE FUCK UP @@gateway833 You don't have cancer, I am so SICK of weed heads insisting that weed holds a candle to opiates in terms of acute pain relief. You don't speak from personal experience you just talk shit. Weed will not relieve the pain of someone with bone cancer or blood cancer, you're a fucking idiot if you think so
Yeah, I was a heroin addict for a long time. And I use to hate when I got fentanyl. 30 minutes later I was looking for another high. I lost everything from my addiction. Just now getting it back together. 2 years this September 😀
@@Fat_Catt I am. I smoke weed pretty often, and I recently started experimenting with mushrooms, but I haven’t done anything stronger in years. Glad I got sober when I did, the street drugs now a days are scary!
Dear Joe. I had Fentanyl patches for back pain. It was wonderful, so much relief so fast. One day while changing my patch, I stuck (stupid) the new patch on the tip of my tongue. Fentanyl must have gotten into my system. My wife tells me she heard a boom in the cellar and came down to find me flat on the floor, blood coming from my forehead which I had bashed falling down face first. When I woke up in hospital, they told me I was technically dead when the ambulance came. I had no blood pressure, no heartbeat and was not breathing. It seems the EMR's revived me after four tries with the defibrillator and assisted breathing. I don't remember a thing besides waking up in the ER with doctors staring at me. In September 2016, I died. Thanks to the EMR's and doctors, I'm back. I will never touch fentanyl again. It is just too dangerous but for some extreme pain, it works wonders, but only in a hospital. Sincerely, The man who died and rose again.
Wow, your story is very very trippy..., I remember when I was gonna get surgery, I asked my doctor when they were gonna start, and they told me they already did it(wtf?, i remember they were gonna do it, but i didnt know they did it already i was under anesthesia.
I had a surgery recently and I was given a fentanyl straight into bloodstream. Made my head spin after 2 sec and got to experience it for another 3 sec before I went to sleep. Not worth to risk my life for.
I like how people who never tried drugs are the most confident and thinks they have the answer. Just the fact that they involve themselves like expert is amazingly fun to watch. It really is. Just amazing. 😏
My Dad was on Fentanyl during the last 2 days of his life. He was on it because he had terminal throat cancer. He was hallucinating out of his mind but pain free. It was weird, kind of funny, but it showed how crazy of an opioid it was.
I spent many years working in compounding pharmacy and used to prepare fentanyl (as well as sufentanil and carfentanil) in several dosage forms for people afflicted with cancer and other debilitating conditions with severe pain. These molecules absolutely have legitimate medical uses and I have witnessed this first hand in patients and their improvement in quality of life. The problem is with all of the clandestine preparation (e.g. illicit Chinese labs) and ease of access to these compounds in the street through those illicit channels. The general public does not understand just how potent and dangerous these molecules can be and certainly at the tiny amount which can cause an opioid naive individual to overdose.
I've been doing prescription fentanyl for about four years now. I started on the 12mg patches, putting them on my tongue, maybe twice a week. Today, I'm doing between 37.5mg to a 50mg patch a day and I am spending about £300 a week buying peoples scripts and I wouldn't wish my addiction on anybody. My doctor says if I don't stop, I'll be dead in 12-18 months if I don't overdose first. This is the first year I've tried to stop and I've relapsed about 8-9 times. I used to think getting off it was the hard part but it's the staying off it, it's the hard part so good luck to anyone trying.
Get on suboxone or methodone if you just can't quit on your own. I have several friends who've had success with suboxone and recommend it over methodone.
As a senior graduate student in a PhD program in chemistry, the total synthesis of fentanyl is quite simple and extremely cost effective compared to traditional opiate synthesis of morphine or heroin.
@@CHodgy He did say he is a chemistry student in a phd program. I can guarantee he knows more about that, than you do about sentence structure, lol. Of course you could always get a PhD in sentence structure and tell us the facts of this argument 😭
3 years sober almost to the day... Addiction sucks. It can get better. I never thought there could be a day when I would no longer want or crave heroin. Now I don't even think about it. Things can get better. Never give up on yourself. Someone out there loves you and cares about you, even if you haven't found them yet.
That's awesome to hear. Keep your guard up! I was clean for 10 years and filled one script for perc 10s after a surgery and next thing I knew I was snorting Opana. I thought I had kicked it and could handle the 15 Percs I had but nope...
@@ronj7677 Yeah, I've accepted I will never be able to touch any drugs again. I honestly don't miss it anymore though. I see the world in a really different light. Hope you are able to get free again.
Man good for you!! But from a guy i know he tells me you never stop craving or thinking about it. I told him thats because he hangs around guys that still use it. He told me even when he speaks to his father a single word can make him think it. Like "bottle" or "do you wanna drink juice" , even a spoon makes him think about it.
@@format.c5930 Hanging around with people who still use/talk about using is probably a big part of it. I no longer get cravings, but I suppose some times I will see something that reminds me of when I used to use but it's not a craving and there's no desire to use there. Anything in our life that we have memories of can be brought to the forefront of our mind with the right circumstances. When I first got clean I stopped hanging out with everyone I knew who used and I would make myself watch movies where people would use so that I could learn to handle the "triggers". It worked for me, but everyone is different. People say that a lot btw. That "we'll think about it for the rest of our lives!", but that's just defeatist and part of the addict mindset. I mean, you could think about anything you've ever done for "the rest of your life". Games you played as kids, friends you had, etc. Not just drugs. At a certain point, the fear of what a relapse would do to you will overcome your desire to use and that's when the real freedom begins. It takes a long, long, long time. Tell your friend to look up "the hedonic treadmill". It will help him to understand the way his brain's dopamine systems have been rewritten so to speak. The brain is called neuroplastic for a reason. We can undo most of the damage, maybe not all of it, but most of it. I hope he get's better. Ultimately, thinking about when you used to use and craving to go out and use are two completely different things. In the beginning it's just harder to see the distinction. The gap gets wider the farther away from it you get. And eventually, it's just a bad memory. To me, it feels like a dream (or rather nightmare) that I woke up from. And it's even hard to recall like a dream is. It's all fuzzy when I look back. Damn, if you made it this far into this than thanks. Don't know why I poured out all that.
@@onbored9627 you're right, you have to learn to hate the drug and crave the freedom because once the physical is gone, you're no longer living in fear of withdrawal. To me that's what really is the issue, knowing you will get so sick in hours. Constantly traumatizes your brain
I recently had fentanyl administered twice in two weeks as part of "Conscious Sedation" during two minor procedures. It's like time travel. I remember the surgeon saying, "Are you ready?", and then asking, "How long is this going to take?" The nurse said, "We're all done." I traveled 45 minutes into the future.
I was hooked on fentanyl for 7 years. Living in San Diego by the border it was so easy to get. Thank God I got off of it ; almost killed me so many times.. Today I make motivational uploads to show any addict that its possible to live a normal happy life with out fentanyl #deepinthestreet
Fentynal was dropped in New Orleans in 2009 in the 9th ward and the Bywater area. When I say dropped I mean literally you could find it at bus stops and trash cans laying on the street in it's packaging. It lasted maybe a month in July or August. The first week 14 people in the area died of Heroin laced with Fentynal. I remember this vividly. I lived there. Then it went away only to come back years later as this epidemic.
That’s to show you the government is tryna kill the poor black lower class through drugs…same sh!t happened with crack a cia agent sold freeway Ricky powder cocaina
Transdermal patches of Fentanyl are actually used often in post op for replacement therapy. Short duration, lack of systemic effects (with patch) like respiratory depression, constipation, etc. When its injected it can be very dangerous due to the narrow tx window. Too little? No effects.. Too much? You're dead. Yes, I am a physician. Great clip here.
John Baker no you get effects and what people here in boston get is roughly 40 grams of fentanyl for 2000$ dollars and they just ram it into every hole in their body and poke holes in themself 50 times a day. Now as a physician was the only statement you had to make the blatently obvious definition of the drug?
Telly, I think we are on the same page here on the dangers of the drug. Fentanyl works well in limited post op cases. Chronic opioid users actually decrease the amount of opioid receptors in their body, therefore the amount needed to feel the same previous effect increases. The problem is of course the addiction, the access to the drug, and the amount they use. Btw, I don't prescribe fentanyl.
John Baker i would also just say the problems go WAY beyond the few rhings you stated they leave infants in the nicu . they leave massive massive problems involving violence and ill just tell you this from experience. Fentanyl has killed some of the strongest people i know oddly. While most of the weaker addicts simply plow along. Its really a big deal here in boston. Everyone is aware now but we arent totally done either we have a long way to go and i think madatory minimums for the dealers of the particular substance have to come into play.
In the 2002 Moscow Theater hostage crisis, Russian spetsnaz pumped the theater full of fentanyl gas. The terrorists died but the hostages also died of fentanyl OD. Big oops
@@HASSPREDIGER20 Bro, It was a mixture of fentanyl and also carfentanyl. Russia EMTS brought over 100 doses but ran out within 2 hours i believe. That is why ALOT more died after police assaulted the theater.
Fentanyl in the recreational setting is a nightmare, but as a nurse, I’ve injected some terminally ill patients with it and it works a miracle for them. Fentanyl is sometimes the only things that patients can take that will help with their pain.
As a person who was on Fentanyl for years for a chronic pain condition (now on a different opioid). Sadly people don’t see the good, Fentanyl made it possible for me to actually live my life without being stuck in bed hurting and simply not able to do anything. It’s terrible that people abuse it, but the drug does help people. And yes before people ask, or course I have tried weed for pain, sadly it doesn’t work nearly well enough for me to have a noticeable improvement in my quality of life.
Yea I mean if you don’t eat 100-200mg to start at the kind of pain you’re describing it won’t even be noticeable unless you pass that threshold which is EXPENSIVE
I’ve been an opiate addict for over 15 years. Honestly I’ve come to one common understanding over these years. People are going to use and it’s time everyone realizes this. It’s time to make drugs safe to buy and use. To many people are dying. It’s crazy to think a safe dose is behind a counter yet people can’t access it. It all boils down to the money aspect. I can go to a doctor today and get any drugs my heart desires but I have to pay. This whole industry boils down to money and it’s so sad to see people dying when they don’t have to.
I've been on fentanyl patches for around 12 to 15 years through a pain management clinic. I've had six back of operations. At my worst point I was prescribed all sorts of medication from muscle relaxers to pain pills to depression medication, Etc. Within taking all of this medication I was taking 52 pills a day. That was 18 in the morning 18 and noon and 16 in the evening. I had to be under adult supervision because it was very easy for me to forget that I had already taken my medication and to retake my medication. I was in this stoned state for approximately three years. I have been told that I had done things that I have no recollection of doing and have made so many apologies but behold my family did not accept my apologies. That is something I had to get over. Since then, I have came down tremendously on my medication. I was on 75 mg of fentanyl duragesic patch. My Pain Management Center drop me down to 50 mg and then down to 35 mg which was a 25 mg and a 10 mg patch at the same time. Then I was drop down to 25 mg which I am at presently. I have decided since I am on Percocet, Mobic, Flexeril, which Mobic and flexeril are basically the same being muscle relaxers and also Fentanyl and Xanax. I have decided to try to wean myself off of Fentanyl. I sweat excessively, if I am working outside I would go through 3 shirts soaking wet with sweat in a day's time. I am leaning out with them now trying to get this under control. I have stopped taking my Fentanyl patches for 3 weeks now and I am still going through withdrawals. My stomach stays tore up and I am also trying to fight through the pain. I have been on narcotic medication for approximate 28 years and I am 50 years old so more than half of my life. Everyday that I have been off the patch has been a struggle. My pain management centers stated that if I came out the patch that he would increase my Percocet by two extra tablets per day so that is what I'm going for. I'm taking Percocet, duragesic fentanyl patches, Mobic, Xanax, Etc. I was 90 mme. I am not getting off of fentanyl because of being scared of death but instead I am getting off a bit because every third day I go through withdrawals freezing and sweating at the same time or feeling that my skin is on fire oh, that's the worst feeling. my feet also feel like they are on fire but that is from the neuropathy in my lower legs and feet. I wish that fentanyl was never invented or proscribed. Since I have stopped taking it I've been in bed for 3 weeks now and that really sucks. I do not know if I will continue to stay off the patch because I am in quite a lot of pain without it. people who abuse fentanyl has made it extremely rough for those of us who actually need it
I just had surgery a few months ago and had fentanyl. It was on a button I could only push every 20 minutes. It worked great. I didnt have any withdrawals when i got out of the hospital and really didnt have any pain until i got home.
I've worked with fentanyl and other high potency drugs in a legal sense, synthesising them for use in medicinal products and the levels of safety in place to prevent workers from being exposed to it is insane, we even have paramedics outside the lab at all times in full haz mat gear ready to rush in with antidote if you are accidentally exposed. To think you can safely use such a drug outside a professional environment is insanely nieve. And while fentanyl is incredibly strong at about 100x stronger than morphine in terms of opioid potency it is still relatively low, things like etorphine and carfentanil blow it out of the water.
I used to main line the gel patches... died twice...quit cold turkey...worst kick ever!!! Clean 5 years now, and I will help anyone strung out that wants to get clean. There are other ways to stay stopped with out a 12 step program. I will never bad mouth AA or NA because I've witnessed many friends get clean through it. But it is not for everyone! Legalize everything too.
Fentanyl is really important on the medical field. A combination of midazolam, fentanyl and propofol is frequently used in most hospitals over here in order to keep the patient sedated during surgery. And it works a lot better with fentanyl than morphine as it takes micrograms of it to knock one out.
Where? And for how long has Midazolam been used for surgeries there? This much better than using long lasting benzodiazepines. I think the use of shorter acting drugs has to become more popular within the medical community, this allows for better control of anaesthesia and a less uncomfortable post-anaesthetic phase, as it doesn't affect the patients for so long after.
@@3-methylindole730 I live in Brazil. This is the most common protocol for anesthesia procedures over here. There can be some exceptions, but those three drugs are the ones being used the most.
I’m a nurse who works in a nursing home and I can tell you that Fentanyl can work bloody miracles especially in residents who suffer from extreme pain. Of course there will be people out there who suffer from chemical imbalances (depressed, drug addicts) who will pick this choice of drug due to its potency and it will lead to countless broken lives and deaths. If you’re suffering from addiction to drugs, just know it’s completely possible to change your life and turn it around 180 degrees and live the best life you didn’t even know was possible. You’re strong and you can do it.
Sarah Honestly Sarah, I know you may have been through a lot and maybe you feel as if there’s not much else you can do; but just being aware of what you said shows you’re life is getting better. I’m sorry to hear about your situation and I know you will be able to do something great with your life. Keep pushing and don’t give up, always be strong even in your weakest moments, which I know is easier said than done, and I know you’ll do great! Wish you all the best Sarah.
Hi Joe- I’m a chronic pain patient that depends on fentanyl in an intrathecal pain pump and in Duragesic fentanyl patches. Fentanyl, along with hydromorphone and oxycodone, helped save my life and it’s an essential part of the medication regimen that allows me to function fairly highly - I am able to rehearse, record, gig and tour with The Dissidents and engineer, mix and produce other bands. The fact that fentanyl is potent but not sedating is fantastic. Opioids help lots of people like myself. To pain patients, opioids are akin to insulin for diabetics. But we’re caught in the crossfire of the crackdown on the “opioid epidemic.” Many pain patients are losing their physicians and insurance companies aren’t covering all or part of our medications. My heart goes out to people who have lost their loved ones to opioids and to addicts who have had their lives wrecked by their prescription opioid abuse. But people who truly need opioid pain medication should not suffer due to the crackdown on opioids. In the national discussion about prescription drug abuse, pain patients also need to have our voices heard - we can give a unique perspective on using opioids for what they are designed. Thanks to Hamilton Morris for a rational, nuanced explanation about fentanyl and other drugs. I love your comedy and podcast, Joe!! Peace Mike Dubose PS: Cannabis is an incredible adjuvant to my medications: it makes the opioids work harder and last longer, has great analgesic properties and helps stimulate my appetite when the pain makes me not want to eat. I wish that I could rely on cannabis alone. Alas, that’s not how my body chemistry works!
@@mullliner you actually made me tear up, my whole life was filled with noone caring about me, yet a random guy on the internet said something that nice to me. Thank you
03:57 what a wonderful silver lining. If Hamilton Morris's son or daughter died of synthetic cannabinoids, you would be able to put your arm on his shoulder and say "isn't it a source of comfort to know that their death contributed to our understanding of synthetic cannabinoids? Aren't you glad that we know now that this shit can kill you?"
Why doesn’t The Government release information on how many people that have lost their lives to Alcohol or Alcohol related incidents?? All I hear about is the Opiod Epedemic And pain medication is responsible for all Opioid Related deaths?? I call Bullshit on that. And when did our Government start caring about drug addicts anyway?? Alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world. It’s been destroying families and killing people for years as well. And Another piece of information which is true is that a person Detoxing from Alcohol can Die. People detoxing from opioids can’t. I broke Three toes 6 months ago and I could hardly walk. And I went to the ER and I got a prescription for Diclofenac which is a anti inflammatory. And I’m tired of hearing that drug addicts are breaking their limbs on purpose to get pain Medication. That’s Bullshit as well. Since you’re a Doctor explain this?? And if you reply your going to use some reasoning like people get hooked on pain medication and then they get shut off and go to Heroin. Just like a Alcoholic starts off with beer and switches to Vodka, Scotch , Rum. Oh BTW Alcohol is legal.
Same here. In 1999, my doctor gave it to me for minor aches from a car accident. She literally said "it's non-addictive". 3 weeks later, I ran out & got violently ill. I called her & she said "oh, it sounds like withdrawal. Come by my office. There will be a prescription at the front desk for you". 22 years later & I'm still battling major opioid addiction. Btw- kratom helps tremendously. If you haven't tried it, might want to look into it. Best of luck to you!
Hey joe, I was on tramadol for 12 years for a spinal disorder!! Been off them 3 years now, done it by myself as doctors didn’t want me off them!! Hardest thing I ever had to do!! Here in the uk they won’t prescribe my anything else for the pain.... so it’s up super early to get my body ready for work at 6 am!! I really feel for folks hooks on this shit 😔😔 great show pal, listen everyday. Thanks man 👍👍
My cousin is a fentanyl addict. He had a great job, a wife, and has a kid. He slowly went down hill and lost everything, and I'm afraid that he's going to die at some point. He's only 25. That's what's so crazy to me. He accomplished so much in a short amount of time, and lost it all, yet, he's still doing it.
Be careful whatever you give him, fentantyl is cheaper than heroin, heroin is expensive. Thats why they buy fentanyl, also take care and wish you well in whatever happens, it aint easy.
What if, after the vietnam war, the government saw how passive it made the troops and decided to design a drug that would make the public as passive as possible. To me, that explains the whole situation. I like to refer to firefly and it's take on the reaper virus as explained in serenity. Also, movies like 28 days later and return of the living dead have a good take on this issue.
I had a fentanyl injection after an operation. Lovely stuff for cutting pain fast. It pretty much knocked me out for a few hours while in the recovery room.
@@ukuleila3-meow There's a lot of different fentanyl analogues, and some last longer than others. But also, I don't know exactly how it works, but for example, Xanax "lasts" about 4 hours but if someone took waaay too much at once, they could sleep for like 24 hours. So I guess even if something has a short duration, it can last long (or have long after-effects) if you take a lot without a tolerance.
Fentanyl is a good medicine. It's just a concentrated medicine. I agree with Hamilton. People who are in really severe pain take opioids like buprenorphine, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, hydrocodone, codeine and fentanyl just to function. These work very well and allow them to get out of bed, go to work, take a shower, pick up things off the floor or even to eat. Have you ever been in so much pain that you couldn't eat or drink? Or breathe? Or move your hand?
Violet Evans I think if someone is having a cocktail cabinet of all sorts of drugs, including fentanyl for example, then they are destroying their body’s cells enough and weakening their immune system enough to more easily bring the onset of diseases like cancer early. Still, Bowie was Bowie and lead his “Bowie” life. Hopefully it was worth it? 69 years of life is time enough for some people. Wishing you well, Violet. Nice name btw. :-)
Damien X Prince died of Fentanyl, due to the fact that he took black market Percocet that was laced with Fentanyl. He didn't know what he was taking and therefore accidentally overdosed.
the reason I, as a medical professional, use transmucosal fentanyl is if someone has allergies or reactions to morphine. morphine suppresses your respiratory drive and some people also have normal reactions (with lots of opiods) like a terrible burning sensation, akin to the feeling of heartburn. the onset of effects is much greater with fentanyl, thus a higher chance of fatal overdose. 1/4 of a milligram is a normal dose vs 10 mg per ml with morphine.
Fentanyl allows people with some of the most painful terminals illnesses to die in relative comfort. I know, my friends mother died of stomach cancer last year and one of the nurses told him that only 20 years ago people who had what she had would be screaming in agony. But her death was mercifully free of pain. At least it wasn't so bad it stopped her sleeping. That's the benefit of fentanyl. When you are dealing with the pain of terminal cancer something being 50 times more potent than morphine actually has practical benefits.
He said "he thought it was a good thing". He also said "weird guy". Aside from that, I get the feeling you've never actually lived in a household or neighborhood with drug abuse problems and then have the drug become scarce. You'd know why he thought it was a good thing
javi coca yeah I have, my brother is still going through it. They dont get better by finding a cheaper more dangerous alternative. But they also don't het better until they want to. Its not a disease its a choice.
Anesthesiologists I have talked to have said that its incredibly difficult to titrate the right dosing and keep it metered at a safe dose. They find it highly effective but the ones I have talked to don’t like to use it outside the hospital setting.
The reason stronger opiates are made and prescribed is for patients in extreme pain who have developed a tolerance. Without these stronger substances some patients would be in extreme pain with no way to treat them once their tolerance reaches a certain point. When prescribed appropriately these can be used to offer patients a good quality of life that they would never be able to achieve without medication. Fentanyl transdermal patches with morphine for breakthrough pain made the difference between living as close to "normal " as possible for my brother before he passed away from head and neck cancer. He battled almost 4 years and without the pain medication he would have contemplated suicide due to the pain. It's hard for people to understand how anyone could possibly need something so potent but patients in the worst conditions require these meds sometimes. Abuse should not be tolerated but punishing legitimate pain patients is what is happening due to the stigma associated with taking or prescribing opiates now. Cancer patients to chronic pain sufferers are having their medications decreased after years of being on them. Doctors know opiates produce a tolerance effect and require increasing dosages to provide the same relief yet they are ignoring that basic fact and now handle pain patients with kid gloves. It's a shame that the doctor/ patient relationship has been changed so much due to abuse by some.
My best friend died from a bad cut she left her litttle girl and family behind because a pos dealer and a bad decision. Be safe every one Don’t do drugs You can get help There are people that care
The trouble with any addiction is that when you run out you'll try anything else to get you there. Fentanyl is on another level and it's just so bizarre to read/hear that when folks OD others will rush in to buy what they had taken, it's good for business, yet the dealers kill their clients. Strong alcohol does too, but slower.
Switzerland provides official heroin for addicts, since 1994 and this works well for them, in general the addicts tend to decrease their use, and street sales fall off.
The fentanyl patch actually works for people with intractable pain. As for long term patch, it works very well. I’m not speaking of street fentanyl. The patch has never gotten me high and gives me a quality of life. The street stuff ruins it for long term sufferers. Drug addicts have ruined pain medication for all people!
Fentanyl does have a very narrow focused purpose. I've seen several friends in the death throws of a horrible cancer find temporary relief and the needed momentary lucidity to say their peace and tell their loved ones that they love them. To help with the kind of pain that cuts you off from the world to live in a solitary box of personal hell is reason enough for it's existence. It's abuse is inconsequential within that context. I cannot think of anything that makes me angrier than when I hear a so called medical professional moralize about prescribing stronger pain killers to a terminal patient. It's an awful thing to say, but any doctor that does deserves to die in that way and be denied similarly. Period.
Fentanyl is an amazing drug when used appropriately, it has a lot less side effects than other opioids. Not sure if it's the case in the US but in my country ambulances hardly carry morphine at all, it's all been replaced with Fentanyl
I watched this podcast after watching the one on Kratom they are both very interesting, being that as a teen I was hit head on by a drunk driver which left with me with a laundry list of lifelong issues, one being serious constant pain. My pain management Dr and surgeons agreed a combination of Fentanyl patches and Oxy would be what would work best for me....maybe so. However they had me taking 200mcg Fentanyl transdermal patches to be changed every 48 hours along with up to 13 30mg Oxy tablets PER DAY! I found out someone I had been close friends with ten years previous was found dead with a 15mcg Fentanyl patch in her mouth. I decided I needed to do something different right away. Funny thing was none of the Dr’s who put me on these literally lethal doses of pain meds and kept me on them for over 6 years would help me get off of them. So I did it the hard way by myself. Even using Kratom and trying to wean off slowly I was seriously sick with withdrawals for a year and a half, I’ve never suffered medication withdrawals like that in my entire life nor even when I stopped using illegal substances shortly after the accident. IT WAS HELL. I’m now taking Kratom, yes I’m in a lot of pain but I don’t pry every night when I go to bed that I’ll get to see another tomorrow. Fentanyl should be reserved for only for those who truly need it and will likely NEVER have to suffer going off of it, and most definitely ONLY accept it in the lowest dose possible. I didn’t know any better then, I believed in my Dr’s...now I do my research.
doctors are the new pushers and drug dealers. these new doctors don't give two shits, its too easy for big pharma to control Washington , maybe trump can oust all those scum fuck lobbyists , and have them take their own medication. hopefully lethally, too. fuck em
Those withdrawals you had must have been absolutely fucking terrible. Those are the kinds of opiate withdrawals that kill people. Glad you switched to kratom though, I've been using 8 times a day everyday for 2.5 years and I don't feel like it negatively impacts my life whatsoever. It's not compulsive to re-dose, it doesn't make me high enough that I function much any different, it's just... enough ya know? Just enough to make it through.
Fentanyl has a lot of advantages to other opiates, it is a great drug for continuous infusions in intubated patients because of the short duration. It is also great for patients with hemodynamic instability because of less cardiovascular effects. It sure has a role in medical care, that said it is a shame that it gets in the wrong hands for ilegal distributtion.
Laidbackmanner I used to know a guy who had an empty "Bayer Heroin" bottle, bottled around the beginning of the 20th Century. It really was sold as a cure for morphine addiction.
Did the chemist who made fentanyl know the short half life of the drug? Did you see the contradiction he made with in the short half life of this video? If he knew fentanyl had a short half life he would have concluded the drug was not better than heroin. I did heroin for years and what this dude is saying is not passing my smell test at all. but I could be wrong of course.
Here's an article on George Marquardt, interactive.fusion.net/death-by-fentanyl/the-walter-white-of-wichita.html. He knew what he was doing, how dangerous it was to the user and admits it. He was making drugs for the purpose of sale since he was in his late teens and it seems only cared about the cash involved, so the story Hamilton told sounds like a lie. But who knows maybe he felt guilty near the end of his life and told Hamilton a different story.
Heroin and fentanyl have similar onset times and durations of action. The difference is likely with active metabolites of morphine that heroin gives off and the decreased potency, whereas fentanyl is about 30 times more potent. So the interdose rebound is more noticeable with fentanyl than heroin. This guy isn’t up to par on the kinetics of either drug. Plus so many science people, including doctors use half-life as a constant measure of clinical activity and that’s not the case. A drug like Valium has a long half-life, however it enters the brain and redistributes out of the brain in approximately one hour due to lipophilicity and blood brain barrier interaction. Only after many repeated constant doses does one start to use half-life as a measure of clinical efficacy.
Fcreceptor heroine duration of action of h is about twice as much as fent. You get about 1 to 2 hours tops out of fent where as you get 3 to 4 out of heroin. Fentenyls half,life is so short though that there is no build up. Most addicts will be in full blown withdrawal in 24 hours. He does know what he's talking about and most fent addicts will need to use for more than a heroin user. Now if we are talking pharmaceutical grade patches or something then that's different as those will last much longer.
EastCoast Podcast I actually work in the field. I don’t just read. Half-life and other factors you and the guy on this podcast are repeating have little to do with withdrawal sx. Reread what I wrote. Or read something else: www.med.uio.no/klinmed/forskning/sentre/seraf/aktuelt/arrangementer/konferanser/konferanser-2017/presentasjoner/ola-dale.pdf
EastCoast Podcast Fent analogs also make a difference and the users don't know what analog they are taking each time. Alfentanyl or furanyl fentanyl half lives differ alot compared to an analog like lofentanyl or 4-Fluorobutyrylfentanyl
Im recovering from fractures in my Tibula and fibulas. The paramedics shot me up with fentanyl and it completely voided the pain I was in. I can definitely see the benefit of this drug.
Fentanyl is used for anesthesia during surgery. It is strickly controlled by the anesthesiologist during surgery. It is quick to put you yo sleep then you wake up quickly.
I knew an anesthetist that used to keep the fentanyl he was supposed to dispose of post op. He was notorious for using balanced narcotic anesthesia (fentanyl/versed) and his patients woke up during surgery pretty often due to being under dosed. He overdosed and died, nobody was surprised. That was in the early 1980’s.
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My mother just passed away from stomach and bone cancer. Very, very painful disease. The only thing that could touch her pain and give her pain free days was Fentanyl. Liquid morphine, Dilaudid or Oxycodone would only bring her pain down to maybe a 7 out of 10. Fentanyl is a very dangerous drug but definitely has a place in modern medicine. I do not know why anyone would choose to do this drug recreationally because it pretty much incapacitates you from doing anything other than laying around, but for a terminally ill patient Fentanyl is a god-send.
This is the whole point. Your mother is a perfect example of what Fentanyl can do for someone.
I was a heroin/fentanyl addict. Basically, when people's tolerances get so crazy out of hand they search out fentanyl over heroin because it's much stronger. Today, there is so much fentanyl out there sold as heroin, which is what is killing everyone. It's not as euphoric as heroin, but fentanyl definitely feels really good still.
You see, my condition is pancreatitis and it's exceptionally painful, fentanyl does nothing for the pain but dilaudid does. I guess it's how we process different medications.
Agreed, in a vehicle collision I suffered a severe spinal fracturing and fentanyl helped when in ICU for 3 weeks.
lol someone clearly has no idea what they're talking about. just because your mom took a medication doesn't mean you know anything about it... its just a coincidence that other opiates didnt work for her, i guarantee it was a dosage or personal issue...fentanyl is dosed in a way that its literally a joke compared to IVing street heroin or something else strong, yes you will be "knocked out" or w.e but same with anyone who takes any opiate with no tolerance, once you do have a tolerance fentanyl is basically unusable unless you IV it. taking it thru patches isnt going to hurt or kill anyone with a tolerance. but really no point explaining opiates to kids on youtube who will never understand
I was a heroin/fentanyl addict for 6 or 7 years. I chose to use those drugs. No one forced them on me or coerced me into it. I made a poor decision. Thankfully, I've been off heroin for 2.5 years.
Kyle Stewart me too. Good for you buddy, sober is better🙌🏼
Kyle Stewart how did you stop?
Ah yes. Remember how good it feels tho ?
frizzybob sure it felt great but I got fucking tired of having no control over my own life and spending all of my money.
Brian Avila I got into a Suboxone treatment program. After about 2 years on that, I switched to taking buprenorphine tablets and I'm still taking those. Now I'm starting to slowly week myself off of them.
Is this the mf who tripped on those frogs on vice ?
Yes... Hamilton
@@MrMaxyield So this chemist he speaks of is a chemist or a street chemist trying to make some money🧐
@@juancarlos5964
Not sure...
@@juancarlos5964 hes a chemist he knows what hes doing. He has a really interesting show they do really good work
Yes he id
When my wife was dying of cancer fentanyl was the pain medicine she used. I put a patch on her shoulder that was 25 micrograms. That was 3 days of medication. I had to use gloves when putting it on her and wash my hands directly after. It was a great drug. Watching someone in their 30’s wish for death from pain is not something I care to repeat.
Andrew Swartz I'm so sorry man. I hope you healed from the pain. There is no greater pain, seeing your loved ones suffer.
Hendrix Claus you just can't think and love. Follow your heart
Hendrix Claus You are obviously conflicted about this as you are aware of the pitfalls of moving forward...a person blindly in love wouldn't even stop to make a distinction or consideration based on the relationship. You should NOT blindly marry her if you have these reservations in your mind...be a positive force in her life and get her to where she needs to be...then, if you still love her, get married.
Hendrix Claus of course. If you love her you need to be there for her and help her. Make your life and hers as great as possible.
Andrew - God bless you Sir! I commend you!
Gurvinder - Great advice - Hendrix - listen to this man!
Fentanyl is AMAZING for pain. A few months back I dislocated my shoulder and was in such extreme pain that even just the weight of my own arm would bring me to tears (i have a fairly high pain tolerance so thats really saying something) I was given fentanyl nasally (not sure the doaage, but it worked just like any nose spray) and within minutes my pain was completely gone. I didnt even feel the doctor pop it back into place. If used properly and safely, it can be amazingly helpful for those experiencing extreme pain. On the flip side, its incredibly dangerous if used improperly. Never abuse fentanyl.
My right shoulder kept dislocating in my earlier years and I can honestly say It's the worst pain I've ever had. I've been in intensive care in a coma and had plenty of broken bones but the shoulder and popping it back in was by far the worst.
The reason for fentanyl overdoses isn’t use of fentanyl, but laced with other drugs and fentanyl appears in the autopsies. I seriously doubt people seek it out
These people that are dying from it should never be taken it in the first place. But the government has made it to where we don't have any other options!! If they need hydrocodone or oxycodone it would have fixed the problem but the government is doing this to us! 80% of people cannot get the pain medication they needed including me and we have massive need and medical documentation saying it's necessary! But the government makes it to where are doctors can't give us what we need! So the drug dealers are in cartels just stepped in to fill the supply and demand in the only one able to do that is the fentanyl cuz everything else is ten times the price and hard to make! You know what as long as cigarettes and alcohol are still legal I think our government should shut the hell up and stop trying to tell us how to run our bodies! They don't have our interests in mind for one damn second it's all about lining their pockets! How many people have alcohol and tobacco killed in the last week! This is all just one big gaslight for the government taking our rights away and telling us what to do with our own body!the government doesn't want fentanyl here because nobody's going to buy oxycodone and dilaudid for $80 a pill if they can get fentanyl for $3 a pill. It is literally that simple!!
Hamilton Morris is a smart guy who really presents the facts behind substances and doesn't sugar coat shit. Thanks for all the information you've given me on certain substances. Valuable research he's conducted whether you think so or not
Dude is wicked smart and even running test on himself.
If you don’t believe this just ask Hamilton lol
He is, but I’m wondering why he always says you NEED poppies grown somewhere for morphine & heroin to exist... is it *really* that impossible for one man to synthesize morphine, and then diamorphine??
I've been on fentanyl for 7 years it is not a fun drug to take but being a quadriplegic and in constant pain it does help me feel normal. I know a lot of people that abused it and eventually quit but will no longer be the same. When I started it I realized that I was making a life long decision. The problem is that it was easier to prescribe than pills. Personally I don't think it should be taken outside a hospital because of the risk for abuse
I use to smoke medicinal marijuana to treat my neuromuscular disease. But the pain got severe and they started me on fentanyl. It was hard to get medication at the time and I self medicated for years. Eventually I quit everything for a year then got pneumonia and went into a coma. They had me on iv fentanyl for 6 months and when I woke from the coma I was severely dependent on fentanyl even Propofol. All without my consent. There might be better options but I wasn't given a choice.
Kyle Stevens hope you get to a better point in life Kyle, despite your situation. Were u in the military?
No I have a neuromuscular disease Spinal Muscular Atrophy and CMT. But thanks, I've been reducing my medication to the point I don't feel the effects but it helps with the pain
with all due respect how did you type that as a quadriplegic
I use a mouth stick stylus with a touch screen computer. Ifaraday stylus
Fentanyl was introduced for people with extremely high tolerance to opiods for pain management from typically terminal illness. It was never for the average pain paitent
michael lundy it was introduced for cancer patients with inoperable terminal diagnosis
Kinda bullshit tbh, it's a very cheap alternative to opiates since it requires no opium for synthesis and ease of transport since it's so potent. It's a great alternative painkiller with a good safety profile, just requires proper procedures to dose it.
@@Christian-os3sh i use it for pain relief. And been using it for years. Just the other day my dr broke down and cried because they are forcing him to stop prescribing it to me. I to did cause its been very helpful to my quality of life. He told me im so sorry u have done everything ive asked and done every drug screen jump through all these hoops and ive watched you suffer every time they stick there head in our business. I even turned in my norcos when started to do better. Now have to go bck to corrupted pain mngment. I have three herniated discs, bone spur lower bck, degenerative disc disorder, herniated neck disk, and cervical straightening of neck, trigeminal neuralgia, and tiez syndrome, and broken foot. These people abusing and dying are now fucking my life up. Noone forced the drugs in them. Like im already treated like criminal for no reason. I have to go under next Thursday and now get checked for crohns. So thnk u people who are trying to kill me with stress. People dnt realize how much stress also affects your health. Fuck feel like im dying cause all this interference.
@@johnmora5830 if you haven't tried it already, have you considered methadone, either prescribed by a pain doctor or from a methadone clinic? its arguably the strongest opioid regularly prescribed outside of fentanyl.
@@itssk1092 no i went to pain mngment today and watch person after person come out just devasted. So i felt it coming they gna taper me down and off with suboxone. Which was made for the drug addicts. They act like cannabis is some miracle drug in pa now like it gna solve the problem. Im gna truly miss being myself. Took me so long to even talk bout what was up with my health. Was always in fog till got help with the pain. Idk ive lost kinda all hope bro. I feel was hard enough watching America rip itself apart. Ya kinda just get tired begging corruption for help. Its funny weed is drug then all sudden medical benefit lol. Its so ass backwards. Pain mngment said unless your having surgery or cancer you basically gotta be human science experiment with other drugs till get them and wrked in auto body industry painting so im chemical sensitive. I just hope maybe one day normal moral righteous Americans will take bck country and make common sense fixs. But not so common so who knows.
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Greatest rock star of our time. also rip sketchy
Xx_PRED 17OR_Xx rip Mac the goat
why does everyone have to go
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Saying rip to a guy he never met in his life lame
Add Mac Miller as one of the unlucky fentanyl victims. Rip
Mason Garvin cocaine and fentanyl sounds like one of the weirder mixes but his shit was prolly laced with fent
Peep too
Illumimati sacrifice happened to him haha
...and...unfortunately the greatest entertainer/musican of all time... 💜
nah they said there was low amounts of fent and cocaine in his system it was the alcohol which stopped his breathing
its essential for cancer pain. That's why its prescribed. I was on the patch and a very safe painkiller. Shoot it up, that's your issue
One word. Weed.
SHUT THE FUCK UP @@gateway833 You don't have cancer, I am so SICK of weed heads insisting that weed holds a candle to opiates in terms of acute pain relief. You don't speak from personal experience you just talk shit. Weed will not relieve the pain of someone with bone cancer or blood cancer, you're a fucking idiot if you think so
@@gateway833 fucking moron u obviously never been in real pain.
Yeah, I was a heroin addict for a long time. And I use to hate when I got fentanyl. 30 minutes later I was looking for another high. I lost everything from my addiction. Just now getting it back together. 2 years this September 😀
R u still clean
@@Fat_Catt I am. I smoke weed pretty often, and I recently started experimenting with mushrooms, but I haven’t done anything stronger in years.
Glad I got sober when I did, the street drugs now a days are scary!
@@dirtyrandy2592 no easy task. Good work!
@@stoneage8236 Thank you
It ain’t easy. Congrats for making the effort to change
Dear Joe. I had Fentanyl patches for back pain. It was wonderful, so much relief so fast. One day while changing my patch, I stuck (stupid) the new patch on the tip of my tongue. Fentanyl must have gotten into my system. My wife tells me she heard a boom in the cellar and came down to find me flat on the floor, blood coming from my forehead which I had bashed falling down face first. When I woke up in hospital, they told me I was technically dead when the ambulance came. I had no blood pressure, no heartbeat and was not breathing. It seems the EMR's revived me after four tries with the defibrillator and assisted breathing. I don't remember a thing besides waking up in the ER with doctors staring at me. In September 2016, I died. Thanks to the EMR's and doctors, I'm back. I will never touch fentanyl again. It is just too dangerous but for some extreme pain, it works wonders, but only in a hospital. Sincerely, The man who died and rose again.
That was me 10 times, 4 times clinically dead. Not proud of it. Addiction sucks.
@@leroyyee2445 this message is 2 months old, did you died?
Wow, your story is very very trippy..., I remember when I was gonna get surgery, I asked my doctor when they were gonna start, and they told me they already did it(wtf?, i remember they were gonna do it, but i didnt know they did it already i was under anesthesia.
What mcg did u have ??
Jesus
I had a surgery recently and I was given a fentanyl straight into bloodstream. Made my head spin after 2 sec and got to experience it for another 3 sec before I went to sleep. Not worth to risk my life for.
You should do a show about alcohol. I mean it kills like 88,000 people every year in the usa and makes everyone insane, but forget that
it's "Legal" so to the eyes of a laymen it is harmless
I like how people who never tried drugs are the most confident and thinks they have the answer. Just the fact that they involve themselves like expert is amazingly fun to watch. It really is. Just amazing. 😏
murf j 29 people die every day from alcohol related car accidents. That’s crazy
That's fn right!
Alcohol is a drug.
My Dad was on Fentanyl during the last 2 days of his life. He was on it because he had terminal throat cancer. He was hallucinating out of his mind but pain free. It was weird, kind of funny, but it showed how crazy of an opioid it was.
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Lol white issues⚪️🗑💩💊😂🥴😵💫😵
You don’t haluncate off fentynal you slow
Well@@A1fromda919 you must have experience getting high on Fentanyl. I stand by my statement 💯 % BTW...
@@SLAYERSWINE1 good memories
Hamilton "I know the chemist that introduced Fentanyl in North America" Morris
Nice…
It's not like he's having coffees after work with him, they're there to do their jobs
Good for you. Have you thought you know a murderer.
I spent many years working in compounding pharmacy and used to prepare fentanyl (as well as sufentanil and carfentanil) in several dosage forms for people afflicted with cancer and other debilitating conditions with severe pain. These molecules absolutely have legitimate medical uses and I have witnessed this first hand in patients and their improvement in quality of life. The problem is with all of the clandestine preparation (e.g. illicit Chinese labs) and ease of access to these compounds in the street through those illicit channels. The general public does not understand just how potent and dangerous these molecules can be and certainly at the tiny amount which can cause an opioid naive individual to overdose.
I've been doing prescription fentanyl for about four years now. I started on the 12mg patches, putting them on my tongue, maybe twice a week. Today, I'm doing between 37.5mg to a 50mg patch a day and I am spending about £300 a week buying peoples scripts and I wouldn't wish my addiction on anybody. My doctor says if I don't stop, I'll be dead in 12-18 months if I don't overdose first. This is the first year I've tried to stop and I've relapsed about 8-9 times. I used to think getting off it was the hard part but it's the staying off it, it's the hard part so good luck to anyone trying.
wow. have you tried or considered mushrooms , ketamin or auwashca (however its spelled, shit)?
Get on suboxone or methodone if you just can't quit on your own. I have several friends who've had success with suboxone and recommend it over methodone.
You mean 12ug? 12 mg you'd be dead
Iboga? I have heard that has helped a lot of addicts free themselves. All the luck in the world brother.
cneddy22 I missed that. Yes, indeed. Curious to know how that would even begin.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
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The road to Clancy, Indiana is paved with stones
Hahaa. The road to hell is painted in gold. Why else would it be anything other...no one would travel it if it wasn't!!!
@Braden Lee REAL TALK!!!
@Braden Lee cannabis is not effective for severe pain.
As a senior graduate student in a PhD program in chemistry, the total synthesis of fentanyl is quite simple and extremely cost effective compared to traditional opiate synthesis of morphine or heroin.
The Bullfrog did you?
Your sentence is flawed, "PhD"
@@CHodgy He did say he is a chemistry student in a phd program. I can guarantee he knows more about that, than you do about sentence structure, lol. Of course you could always get a PhD in sentence structure and tell us the facts of this argument 😭
@@MoistPenguinz0Clips ya, but has heeee actually tried it?? (I didnt read your comment, I prefer one-sided communication so)
@@CHodgy oh so you’re THAT guy
3 years sober almost to the day... Addiction sucks. It can get better. I never thought there could be a day when I would no longer want or crave heroin. Now I don't even think about it. Things can get better. Never give up on yourself. Someone out there loves you and cares about you, even if you haven't found them yet.
That's awesome to hear. Keep your guard up! I was clean for 10 years and filled one script for perc 10s after a surgery and next thing I knew I was snorting Opana. I thought I had kicked it and could handle the 15 Percs I had but nope...
@@ronj7677 Yeah, I've accepted I will never be able to touch any drugs again. I honestly don't miss it anymore though. I see the world in a really different light. Hope you are able to get free again.
Man good for you!! But from a guy i know he tells me you never stop craving or thinking about it. I told him thats because he hangs around guys that still use it. He told me even when he speaks to his father a single word can make him think it. Like "bottle" or "do you wanna drink juice" , even a spoon makes him think about it.
@@format.c5930 Hanging around with people who still use/talk about using is probably a big part of it. I no longer get cravings, but I suppose some times I will see something that reminds me of when I used to use but it's not a craving and there's no desire to use there. Anything in our life that we have memories of can be brought to the forefront of our mind with the right circumstances. When I first got clean I stopped hanging out with everyone I knew who used and I would make myself watch movies where people would use so that I could learn to handle the "triggers". It worked for me, but everyone is different.
People say that a lot btw. That "we'll think about it for the rest of our lives!", but that's just defeatist and part of the addict mindset. I mean, you could think about anything you've ever done for "the rest of your life". Games you played as kids, friends you had, etc. Not just drugs. At a certain point, the fear of what a relapse would do to you will overcome your desire to use and that's when the real freedom begins. It takes a long, long, long time. Tell your friend to look up "the hedonic treadmill". It will help him to understand the way his brain's dopamine systems have been rewritten so to speak. The brain is called neuroplastic for a reason. We can undo most of the damage, maybe not all of it, but most of it. I hope he get's better.
Ultimately, thinking about when you used to use and craving to go out and use are two completely different things. In the beginning it's just harder to see the distinction. The gap gets wider the farther away from it you get. And eventually, it's just a bad memory. To me, it feels like a dream (or rather nightmare) that I woke up from. And it's even hard to recall like a dream is. It's all fuzzy when I look back. Damn, if you made it this far into this than thanks. Don't know why I poured out all that.
@@onbored9627 you're right, you have to learn to hate the drug and crave the freedom because once the physical is gone, you're no longer living in fear of withdrawal. To me that's what really is the issue, knowing you will get so sick in hours. Constantly traumatizes your brain
I recently had fentanyl administered twice in two weeks as part of "Conscious Sedation" during two minor procedures.
It's like time travel. I remember the surgeon saying, "Are you ready?", and then asking, "How long is this going to take?" The nurse said, "We're all done." I traveled 45 minutes into the future.
That's because they probably gave you Versed which causes short term memory loss, albeit temporarily. 30+ Year RN.
rip to my child hood friend who never woke up. it took the rest of us year to realize but we are better now. rip iron pony
Been smoking fent for about 3 months now , going into rehab today acutally
u got this bro keep ya head up and work a program
stay fucking motivated you got this
Good lucky my man
Gorilla Squiz really? how do you know???
Gorilla Squiz how do you know?
Hamilton is an extremely intelligent and knowledgeable man. I would love to sit down and have a conversation with him someday
I was hooked on fentanyl for 7 years. Living in San Diego by the border it was so easy to get. Thank God I got off of it ; almost killed me so many times.. Today I make motivational uploads to show any addict that its possible to live a normal happy life with out fentanyl
#deepinthestreet
deep in the STREET yup here in San Diego you can get those fake m box 30 percs that are pressed from fentanyl
Why not just smoke weed you’re in California lmaooo
Fentynal was dropped in New Orleans in 2009 in the 9th ward and the Bywater area. When I say dropped I mean literally you could find it at bus stops and trash cans laying on the street in it's packaging.
It lasted maybe a month in July or August. The first week 14 people in the area died of Heroin laced with Fentynal. I remember this vividly. I lived there.
Then it went away only to come back years later as this epidemic.
That’s to show you the government is tryna kill the poor black lower class through drugs…same sh!t happened with crack a cia agent sold freeway Ricky powder cocaina
Dropped by who?
@@User-5amk1m0 Assholes who want to see the world burn I guess.
please do another podcast with this man
Who is he? I can't remember
Hamilton's pharmacopoeia on vice
Hamilton Morris
Thank you
If Hamilton calls you the weird guy, youre most definitely a weird guy lmao
Transdermal patches of Fentanyl are actually used often in post op for replacement therapy. Short duration, lack of systemic effects (with patch) like respiratory depression, constipation, etc.
When its injected it can be very dangerous due to the narrow tx window. Too little? No effects.. Too much? You're dead.
Yes, I am a physician. Great clip here.
John Baker no you get effects and what people here in boston get is roughly 40 grams of fentanyl for 2000$ dollars and they just ram it into every hole in their body and poke holes in themself 50 times a day. Now as a physician was the only statement you had to make the blatently obvious definition of the drug?
They get effects - even on .01 of a gram the problem is the addiction.
Telly, I think we are on the same page here on the dangers of the drug. Fentanyl works well in limited post op cases. Chronic opioid users actually decrease the amount of opioid receptors in their body, therefore the amount needed to feel the same previous effect increases. The problem is of course the addiction, the access to the drug, and the amount they use. Btw, I don't prescribe fentanyl.
John Baker yes I'm a physician who loves the cock
John Baker i would also just say the problems go WAY beyond the few rhings you stated they leave infants in the nicu . they leave massive massive problems involving violence and ill just tell you this from experience. Fentanyl has killed some of the strongest people i know oddly. While most of the weaker addicts simply plow along. Its really a big deal here in boston. Everyone is aware now but we arent totally done either we have a long way to go and i think madatory minimums for the dealers of the particular substance have to come into play.
In the 2002 Moscow Theater hostage crisis, Russian spetsnaz pumped the theater full of fentanyl gas. The terrorists died but the hostages also died of fentanyl OD. Big oops
yup, i was barking about it back then...
Whaaat, that's a big oof... ffs russia xd
what the fuck were they thinking?
Braonán they used Carfentanyl not fentanyl
@@HASSPREDIGER20 Bro, It was a mixture of fentanyl and also carfentanyl. Russia EMTS brought over 100 doses but ran out within 2 hours i believe. That is why ALOT more died after police assaulted the theater.
Fentanyl in the recreational setting is a nightmare, but as a nurse, I’ve injected some terminally ill patients with it and it works a miracle for them. Fentanyl is sometimes the only things that patients can take that will help with their pain.
Thank you! The fentanyl patch does work! Not street fentanyl.
I’ve just been prescribed fentanyl lollies for breakthrough pain and I must say as a pain reliever it’s excellent.
As a person who was on Fentanyl for years for a chronic pain condition (now on a different opioid). Sadly people don’t see the good, Fentanyl made it possible for me to actually live my life without being stuck in bed hurting and simply not able to do anything. It’s terrible that people abuse it, but the drug does help people. And yes before people ask, or course I have tried weed for pain, sadly it doesn’t work nearly well enough for me to have a noticeable improvement in my quality of life.
Yea I mean if you don’t eat 100-200mg to start at the kind of pain you’re describing it won’t even be noticeable unless you pass that threshold which is EXPENSIVE
“it’s possible for weed to kill you” *video abruptly ends*
I wonder how much the D.E.A paid him to say that.
Yea if 200 pounds falls out of a plane and lands on your head, then yea weed can kill.
i laughed so hard
You would get too stoned way before you smoke or eat enough to kill ya lol
he's saying high doses of synthetic cannabinoid receptor antagonists can kill you, it's not the same thing as weed
I’ve been an opiate addict for over 15 years. Honestly I’ve come to one common understanding over these years. People are going to use and it’s time everyone realizes this. It’s time to make drugs safe to buy and use. To many people are dying. It’s crazy to think a safe dose is behind a counter yet people can’t access it. It all boils down to the money aspect. I can go to a doctor today and get any drugs my heart desires but I have to pay. This whole industry boils down to money and it’s so sad to see people dying when they don’t have to.
I've been on fentanyl patches for around 12 to 15 years through a pain management clinic. I've had six back of operations. At my worst point I was prescribed all sorts of medication from muscle relaxers to pain pills to depression medication, Etc. Within taking all of this medication I was taking 52 pills a day. That was 18 in the morning 18 and noon and 16 in the evening. I had to be under adult supervision because it was very easy for me to forget that I had already taken my medication and to retake my medication. I was in this stoned state for approximately three years. I have been told that I had done things that I have no recollection of doing and have made so many apologies but behold my family did not accept my apologies. That is something I had to get over. Since then, I have came down tremendously on my medication. I was on 75 mg of fentanyl duragesic patch. My Pain Management Center drop me down to 50 mg and then down to 35 mg which was a 25 mg and a 10 mg patch at the same time. Then I was drop down to 25 mg which I am at presently. I have decided since I am on Percocet, Mobic, Flexeril, which Mobic and flexeril are basically the same being muscle relaxers and also Fentanyl and Xanax. I have decided to try to wean myself off of Fentanyl. I sweat excessively, if I am working outside I would go through 3 shirts soaking wet with sweat in a day's time. I am leaning out with them now trying to get this under control. I have stopped taking my Fentanyl patches for 3 weeks now and I am still going through withdrawals. My stomach stays tore up and I am also trying to fight through the pain. I have been on narcotic medication for approximate 28 years and I am 50 years old so more than half of my life. Everyday that I have been off the patch has been a struggle. My pain management centers stated that if I came out the patch that he would increase my Percocet by two extra tablets per day so that is what I'm going for. I'm taking Percocet, duragesic fentanyl patches, Mobic, Xanax, Etc. I was 90 mme. I am not getting off of fentanyl because of being scared of death but instead I am getting off a bit because every third day I go through withdrawals freezing and sweating at the same time or feeling that my skin is on fire oh, that's the worst feeling. my feet also feel like they are on fire but that is from the neuropathy in my lower legs and feet. I wish that fentanyl was never invented or proscribed. Since I have stopped taking it I've been in bed for 3 weeks now and that really sucks. I do not know if I will continue to stay off the patch because I am in quite a lot of pain without it. people who abuse fentanyl has made it extremely rough for those of us who actually need it
Try gabapentin or kratom for the withdrawals. Hope all is well
@@hovathadon2823 tell your doctor that you have anxiety and they gave it to you in jail and it helped you alot.
Have you tried smoking weed
The patch for patch system in toronto is great , at the end of month u have to hand in spent patches to get the new ones
@@g_holmes Ya Kratom for sure!
I just had surgery a few months ago and had fentanyl. It was on a button I could only push every 20 minutes. It worked great. I didnt have any withdrawals when i got out of the hospital and really didnt have any pain until i got home.
I've worked with fentanyl and other high potency drugs in a legal sense, synthesising them for use in medicinal products and the levels of safety in place to prevent workers from being exposed to it is insane, we even have paramedics outside the lab at all times in full haz mat gear ready to rush in with antidote if you are accidentally exposed. To think you can safely use such a drug outside a professional environment is insanely nieve. And while fentanyl is incredibly strong at about 100x stronger than morphine in terms of opioid potency it is still relatively low, things like etorphine and carfentanil blow it out of the water.
I used to main line the gel patches... died twice...quit cold turkey...worst kick ever!!! Clean 5 years now, and I will help anyone strung out that wants to get clean.
There are other ways to stay stopped with out a 12 step program.
I will never bad mouth AA or NA because I've witnessed many friends get clean through it. But it is not for everyone!
Legalize everything too.
are you a friend of jesus'?
@@foxybyproxy I never met the guy and I've heard mixed reviews.
hee hee
ill take you up on your offer, i need help lets talk?
that you @white smith
Fentanyl is really important on the medical field. A combination of midazolam, fentanyl and propofol is frequently used in most hospitals over here in order to keep the patient sedated during surgery. And it works a lot better with fentanyl than morphine as it takes micrograms of it to knock one out.
Where? And for how long has Midazolam been used for surgeries there? This much better than using long lasting benzodiazepines. I think the use of shorter acting drugs has to become more popular within the medical community, this allows for better control of anaesthesia and a less uncomfortable post-anaesthetic phase, as it doesn't affect the patients for so long after.
@@3-methylindole730 I live in Brazil. This is the most common protocol for anesthesia procedures over here. There can be some exceptions, but those three drugs are the ones being used the most.
@@3-methylindole730 Midazolam became very common for anesthesia around the mid 2000s
I just bought a cat 👍🏼
Let’s gooooo
@Nolimitpolo D until you gotta walk em everyday and they tear your house apart
@@mikec4308 cats really be some chill ass niggaz
Adopt, ya noob.
Cats are jesus and Obama's children
Really interesting guest. Super intelligent speaker. Thanks for having him on
Yeah
I’m a nurse who works in a nursing home and I can tell you that Fentanyl can work bloody miracles especially in residents who suffer from extreme pain. Of course there will be people out there who suffer from chemical imbalances (depressed, drug addicts) who will pick this choice of drug due to its potency and it will lead to countless broken lives and deaths. If you’re suffering from addiction to drugs, just know it’s completely possible to change your life and turn it around 180 degrees and live the best life you didn’t even know was possible. You’re strong and you can do it.
Sarah Honestly Sarah, I know you may have been through a lot and maybe you feel as if there’s not much else you can do; but just being aware of what you said shows you’re life is getting better. I’m sorry to hear about your situation and I know you will be able to do something great with your life. Keep pushing and don’t give up, always be strong even in your weakest moments, which I know is easier said than done, and I know you’ll do great! Wish you all the best Sarah.
Hi Joe-
I’m a chronic pain patient that depends on fentanyl in an intrathecal pain pump and in Duragesic fentanyl patches. Fentanyl, along with hydromorphone and oxycodone, helped save my life and it’s an essential part of the medication regimen that allows me to function fairly highly - I am able to rehearse, record, gig and tour with The Dissidents and engineer, mix and produce other bands. The fact that fentanyl is potent but not sedating is fantastic. Opioids help lots of people like myself. To pain patients, opioids are akin to insulin for diabetics. But we’re caught in the crossfire of the crackdown on the “opioid epidemic.” Many pain patients are losing their physicians and insurance companies aren’t covering all or part of our medications.
My heart goes out to people who have lost their loved ones to opioids and to addicts who have had their lives wrecked by their prescription opioid abuse. But people who truly need opioid pain medication should not suffer due to the crackdown on opioids. In the national discussion about prescription drug abuse, pain patients also need to have our voices heard - we can give a unique perspective on using opioids for what they are designed. Thanks to Hamilton Morris for a rational, nuanced explanation about fentanyl and other drugs.
I love your comedy and podcast, Joe!!
Peace
Mike Dubose
PS: Cannabis is an incredible adjuvant to my medications: it makes the opioids work harder and last longer, has great analgesic properties and helps stimulate my appetite when the pain makes me not want to eat. I wish that I could rely on cannabis alone. Alas, that’s not how my body chemistry works!
I'm always reminded of how lucky I am to have survived my fent addiction, I really should be dead right now
You're still here for a reason bro hope you're doing okay
@@mullliner you actually made me tear up, my whole life was filled with noone caring about me, yet a random guy on the internet said something that nice to me. Thank you
@@WuvPain keep your head up king 👑👊
03:57 what a wonderful silver lining. If Hamilton Morris's son or daughter died of synthetic cannabinoids, you would be able to put your arm on his shoulder and say "isn't it a source of comfort to know that their death contributed to our understanding of synthetic cannabinoids? Aren't you glad that we know now that this shit can kill you?"
It not just the great people we've lost to opiates... Its the regular people and the kids that are left to try to raise themselves.
Why doesn’t The Government release information on how many people that have lost their lives to Alcohol or Alcohol related incidents?? All I hear about is the Opiod Epedemic And pain medication is responsible for all Opioid Related deaths?? I call Bullshit on that. And when did our Government start caring about drug addicts anyway?? Alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world. It’s been destroying families and killing people for years as well. And Another piece of information which is true is that a person Detoxing from Alcohol can Die. People detoxing from opioids can’t. I broke Three toes 6 months ago and I could hardly walk. And I went to the ER and I got a prescription for Diclofenac which is a anti inflammatory. And I’m tired of hearing that drug addicts are breaking their limbs on purpose to get pain Medication. That’s Bullshit as well. Since you’re a Doctor explain this?? And if you reply your going to use some reasoning like people get hooked on pain medication and then they get shut off and go to Heroin. Just like a Alcoholic starts off with beer and switches to Vodka, Scotch , Rum. Oh BTW Alcohol is legal.
Same story with Oxy. Was introduced as a “non-addictive” morphine alternative
heroin*
Same here. In 1999, my doctor gave it to me for minor aches from a car accident. She literally said "it's non-addictive". 3 weeks later, I ran out & got violently ill. I called her & she said "oh, it sounds like withdrawal. Come by my office. There will be a prescription at the front desk for you". 22 years later & I'm still battling major opioid addiction.
Btw- kratom helps tremendously. If you haven't tried it, might want to look into it. Best of luck to you!
Hey joe, I was on tramadol for 12 years for a spinal disorder!! Been off them 3 years now, done it by myself as doctors didn’t want me off them!! Hardest thing I ever had to do!! Here in the uk they won’t prescribe my anything else for the pain.... so it’s up super early to get my body ready for work at 6 am!! I really feel for folks hooks on this shit 😔😔 great show pal, listen everyday. Thanks man 👍👍
My cousin is a fentanyl addict. He had a great job, a wife, and has a kid. He slowly went down hill and lost everything, and I'm afraid that he's going to die at some point. He's only 25. That's what's so crazy to me. He accomplished so much in a short amount of time, and lost it all, yet, he's still doing it.
Wow I'm so sorry
Because fent gives him the illusion nothing actually matters cas it feels so goid
My friend just got shot arguing over it trying o score some
Be careful whatever you give him, fentantyl is cheaper than heroin, heroin is expensive. Thats why they buy fentanyl, also take care and wish you well in whatever happens, it aint easy.
What if, after the vietnam war, the government saw how passive it made the troops and decided to design a drug that would make the public as passive as possible. To me, that explains the whole situation. I like to refer to firefly and it's take on the reaper virus as explained in serenity. Also, movies like 28 days later and return of the living dead have a good take on this issue.
I had a fentanyl injection after an operation. Lovely stuff for cutting pain fast. It pretty much knocked me out for a few hours while in the recovery room.
I had fentanyl laced xanax one time, slept for 18 hours and was sent to the hospital
Me too all i remember was that sickly opioid feeling making my stomach turn then everything went black. Definately not a xanax bar
Took fake 30 pill... same thing 🤦♂️🤦♂️
How did you sleep for 18 hours when fent lasts like an hour?? Logic??
@@ukuleila3-meow There's a lot of different fentanyl analogues, and some last longer than others. But also, I don't know exactly how it works, but for example, Xanax "lasts" about 4 hours but if someone took waaay too much at once, they could sleep for like 24 hours.
So I guess even if something has a short duration, it can last long (or have long after-effects) if you take a lot without a tolerance.
@@ukuleila3-meow plus the Xanax it should put you to sleep for like 4 hours den
That’s such a great pain killer for cancer patient and hospice patients
Fentanyl is a good medicine. It's just a concentrated medicine. I agree with Hamilton. People who are in really severe pain take opioids like buprenorphine, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, hydrocodone, codeine and fentanyl just to function. These work very well and allow them to get out of bed, go to work, take a shower, pick up things off the floor or even to eat. Have you ever been in so much pain that you couldn't eat or drink? Or breathe? Or move your hand?
No David Bowie died of cancer...
Violet Evans ...And Prince died from Percocet/Oxycodone
Violet Evans rogan being rogan
Violet Evans I think if someone is having a cocktail cabinet of all sorts of drugs, including fentanyl for example, then they are destroying their body’s cells enough and weakening their immune system enough to more easily bring the onset of diseases like cancer early. Still, Bowie was Bowie and lead his “Bowie” life. Hopefully it was worth it? 69 years of life is time enough for some people. Wishing you well, Violet. Nice name btw. :-)
And took fentanyl
Damien X Prince died of Fentanyl, due to the fact that he took black market Percocet that was laced with Fentanyl. He didn't know what he was taking and therefore accidentally overdosed.
i went to the university of joe rogan
the reason I, as a medical professional, use transmucosal fentanyl is if someone has allergies or reactions to morphine. morphine suppresses your respiratory drive and some people also have normal reactions (with lots of opiods) like a terrible burning sensation, akin to the feeling of heartburn. the onset of effects is much greater with fentanyl, thus a higher chance of fatal overdose. 1/4 of a milligram is a normal dose vs 10 mg per ml with morphine.
Hes right, i was hooked on fent for a while and at night i would wake up every 2-3 hours to do a line...such a sad life
Hamilton has a face for radio and a voice for the deaf.
Fentanyl allows people with some of the most painful terminals illnesses to die in relative comfort. I know, my friends mother died of stomach cancer last year and one of the nurses told him that only 20 years ago people who had what she had would be screaming in agony. But her death was mercifully free of pain. At least it wasn't so bad it stopped her sleeping. That's the benefit of fentanyl. When you are dealing with the pain of terminal cancer something being 50 times more potent than morphine actually has practical benefits.
He didnt make fent to make money. He made it to lower the price of heroin and make lifes easier for heroin users . .
What a statement
Adam H yeah its a fucking lie. Lol this kid will also tell you that pcp is ok to take just in the right setting. I hate vice bullshit.
Yeah what a great humanitarian
He said "he thought it was a good thing". He also said "weird guy".
Aside from that, I get the feeling you've never actually lived in a household or neighborhood with drug abuse problems and then have the drug become scarce. You'd know why he thought it was a good thing
javi coca yeah I have, my brother is still going through it. They dont get better by finding a cheaper more dangerous alternative. But they also don't het better until they want to. Its not a disease its a choice.
I thought the same thing. How about you increase quality of life by not being a junkie. This dude is insane
Fentanyl is a very useful drug in the clinical setting due to its short DOA
Anesthesiologists I have talked to have said that its incredibly difficult to titrate the right dosing and keep it metered at a safe dose. They find it highly effective but the ones I have talked to don’t like to use it outside the hospital setting.
Hamilton Morris is DOPEST dude alive.
To be honest with you I think we need a testimony from a user of both Heroin and Fentanyl “ Artie Lange waddles into room”
The reason stronger opiates are made and prescribed is for patients in extreme pain who have developed a tolerance. Without these stronger substances some patients would be in extreme pain with no way to treat them once their tolerance reaches a certain point. When prescribed appropriately these can be used to offer patients a good quality of life that they would never be able to achieve without medication. Fentanyl transdermal patches with morphine for breakthrough pain made the difference between living as close to "normal " as possible for my brother before he passed away from head and neck cancer. He battled almost 4 years and without the pain medication he would have contemplated suicide due to the pain. It's hard for people to understand how anyone could possibly need something so potent but patients in the worst conditions require these meds sometimes. Abuse should not be tolerated but punishing legitimate pain patients is what is happening due to the stigma associated with taking or prescribing opiates now. Cancer patients to chronic pain sufferers are having their medications decreased after years of being on them. Doctors know opiates produce a tolerance effect and require increasing dosages to provide the same relief yet they are ignoring that basic fact and now handle pain patients with kid gloves. It's a shame that the doctor/ patient relationship has been changed so much due to abuse by some.
Why's Joe asking this guy? All he needed to do is ask Jamie or Eddie. Jamie Aced the study and Eddie has been looking into it.
BlakethaReaper you obviously don’t know who this guy is ..
Owen Garrett you obviously don't get the joke....
I'm well aware of who it is.
My best friend died from a bad cut she left her litttle girl and family behind because a pos dealer and a bad decision.
Be safe every one
Don’t do drugs
You can get help
There are people that care
The Bullfrog One who cuts your shit with BS to try to make a little extra money
The trouble with any addiction is that when you run out you'll try anything else to get you there. Fentanyl is on another level and it's just so bizarre to read/hear that when folks OD others will rush in to buy what they had taken, it's good for business, yet the dealers kill their clients. Strong alcohol does too, but slower.
Alcohol socially acceptable, accessible, and addictive! Very underrated drug
Rip Lil Peep, love that man
ovoal you love a man? Gayyyyy
Switzerland provides official heroin for addicts, since 1994 and this works well for them, in general the addicts tend to decrease their use, and street sales fall off.
Holland was the same....and England.
"official"😂😂😂
The fentanyl patch actually works for people with intractable pain. As for long term patch, it works very well. I’m not speaking of street fentanyl. The patch has never gotten me high and gives me a quality of life. The street stuff ruins it for long term sufferers. Drug addicts have ruined pain medication for all people!
Why ruined? It's still being prescribed, isn't it?
Did Jamie study fentanyl?
EpyonRoyal 😂
He got an A in it
He only got a B+
He aced the class son, Eddie is still looking into it though.
BlakethaReaper lmao
Paracelsus - 'Everything is a poison, nothing is a poison. It is the dose that makes the poison'
Fentanyl does have a very narrow focused purpose. I've seen several friends in the death throws of a horrible cancer find temporary relief and the needed momentary lucidity to say their peace and tell their loved ones that they love them. To help with the kind of pain that cuts you off from the world to live in a solitary box of personal hell is reason enough for it's existence. It's abuse is inconsequential within that context. I cannot think of anything that makes me angrier than when I hear a so called medical professional moralize about prescribing stronger pain killers to a terminal patient. It's an awful thing to say, but any doctor that does deserves to die in that way and be denied similarly. Period.
Fentanyl is an amazing drug when used appropriately, it has a lot less side effects than other opioids. Not sure if it's the case in the US but in my country ambulances hardly carry morphine at all, it's all been replaced with Fentanyl
You’re correct. Fentanyl isn’t metabolized like other pain meds. There are no metabolites found in your urine for instance.
I watched this podcast after watching the one on Kratom they are both very interesting, being that as a teen I was hit head on by a drunk driver which left with me with a laundry list of lifelong issues, one being serious constant pain. My pain management Dr and surgeons agreed a combination of Fentanyl patches and Oxy would be what would work best for me....maybe so. However they had me taking 200mcg Fentanyl transdermal patches to be changed every 48 hours along with up to 13 30mg Oxy tablets PER DAY! I found out someone I had been close friends with ten years previous was found dead with a 15mcg Fentanyl patch in her mouth. I decided I needed to do something different right away. Funny thing was none of the Dr’s who put me on these literally lethal doses of pain meds and kept me on them for over 6 years would help me get off of them. So I did it the hard way by myself. Even using Kratom and trying to wean off slowly I was seriously sick with withdrawals for a year and a half, I’ve never suffered medication withdrawals like that in my entire life nor even when I stopped using illegal substances shortly after the accident. IT WAS HELL. I’m now taking Kratom, yes I’m in a lot of pain but I don’t pry every night when I go to bed that I’ll get to see another tomorrow. Fentanyl should be reserved for only for those who truly need it and will likely NEVER have to suffer going off of it, and most definitely ONLY accept it in the lowest dose possible. I didn’t know any better then, I believed in my Dr’s...now I do my research.
doctors are the new pushers and drug dealers. these new doctors don't give two shits, its too easy for big pharma to control Washington , maybe trump can oust all those scum fuck lobbyists , and have them take their own medication. hopefully lethally, too. fuck em
Kratom is amazing
Those withdrawals you had must have been absolutely fucking terrible. Those are the kinds of opiate withdrawals that kill people. Glad you switched to kratom though, I've been using 8 times a day everyday for 2.5 years and I don't feel like it negatively impacts my life whatsoever.
It's not compulsive to re-dose, it doesn't make me high enough that I function much any different, it's just... enough ya know? Just enough to make it through.
Hamilton is the dude!! Open our ears and listen time to learn!!
R.I.P. LIL PEEP💔🐥
Lmfao joe cuts it off right when he starts talking bad about kush 😂
he isnt talking about bud, he is talking about synthetic weed and how it has proven extreme doses of cannabinoids can kill you
Thank you Hamilton for having an intelligent discussion of the complexities of this matter!
Fentanyl has a lot of advantages to other opiates, it is a great drug for continuous infusions in intubated patients because of the short duration. It is also great for patients with hemodynamic instability because of less cardiovascular effects. It sure has a role in medical care, that said it is a shame that it gets in the wrong hands for ilegal distributtion.
Kratom saved my life.
How have you heen since this comment, g? I hope you're doing well.
Joe, Fentanyl is frequently used in critical care and surgery for severe pain. As a critical care nurse my experience is with IV use.
Didn't realize Rogan had so man fentanyl/heroine user fans lol.
Pry x kind of an epidemic in North America (opioids)
Hispanic pride lmao yeah what was he thinking? Most people are on opioids
America 🇺🇸
Was he talking about "BAYER" aspirin makers?
Laidbackmanner
I used to know a guy who had an empty "Bayer Heroin" bottle, bottled around the beginning of the 20th Century. It really was sold as a cure for morphine addiction.
Bayer makes a lot more than aspirin :)
bjs301, damn that's cool as hell. I've got a bottle of Sloans ointment from the early 20th century with half a bottle of product still in it.
The beyer aspirin makers also made zyklon-b but they were called I-G Farben back then. And he is rights about the smack
Yeah
Fentanyl gave my father somewhat of a life with his last years on the planet dying of multiplemyloma bone cancer. I miss him today.
Rip Peep
Did the chemist who made fentanyl know the short half life of the drug? Did you see the contradiction he made with in the short half life of this video? If he knew fentanyl had a short half life he would have concluded the drug was not better than heroin. I did heroin for years and what this dude is saying is not passing my smell test at all. but I could be wrong of course.
Here's an article on George Marquardt, interactive.fusion.net/death-by-fentanyl/the-walter-white-of-wichita.html. He knew what he was doing, how dangerous it was to the user and admits it. He was making drugs for the purpose of sale since he was in his late teens and it seems only cared about the cash involved, so the story Hamilton told sounds like a lie. But who knows maybe he felt guilty near the end of his life and told Hamilton a different story.
Heroin and fentanyl have similar onset times and durations of action. The difference is likely with active metabolites of morphine that heroin gives off and the decreased potency, whereas fentanyl is about 30 times more potent. So the interdose rebound is more noticeable with fentanyl than heroin. This guy isn’t up to par on the kinetics of either drug. Plus so many science people, including doctors use half-life as a constant measure of clinical activity and that’s not the case. A drug like Valium has a long half-life, however it enters the brain and redistributes out of the brain in approximately one hour due to lipophilicity and blood brain barrier interaction. Only after many repeated constant doses does one start to use half-life as a measure of clinical efficacy.
Fcreceptor heroine duration of action of h is about twice as much as fent. You get about 1 to 2 hours tops out of fent where as you get 3 to 4 out of heroin. Fentenyls half,life is so short though that there is no build up. Most addicts will be in full blown withdrawal in 24 hours. He does know what he's talking about and most fent addicts will need to use for more than a heroin user. Now if we are talking pharmaceutical grade patches or something then that's different as those will last much longer.
EastCoast Podcast I actually work in the field. I don’t just read. Half-life and other factors you and the guy on this podcast are repeating have little to do with withdrawal sx. Reread what I wrote. Or read something else: www.med.uio.no/klinmed/forskning/sentre/seraf/aktuelt/arrangementer/konferanser/konferanser-2017/presentasjoner/ola-dale.pdf
EastCoast Podcast Fent analogs also make a difference and the users don't know what analog they are taking each time. Alfentanyl or furanyl fentanyl half lives differ alot compared to an analog like lofentanyl or 4-Fluorobutyrylfentanyl
Im recovering from fractures in my Tibula and fibulas. The paramedics shot me up with fentanyl and it completely voided the pain I was in. I can definitely see the benefit of this drug.
This guy seems vary educated joe you should do another podcast with this guy.
What's his name?
@@dustinbarkley6783 Hamilton Morris. Dude knows his shit
Fentanyl is used for anesthesia during surgery. It is strickly controlled by the anesthesiologist during surgery. It is quick to put you yo sleep then you wake up quickly.
Butch Thomason wrong
I've had four surgeries where Fentanyl was used. So RIGHT!
@@KimballCody actually he's dead right, it's very beneficial in surgeries
I knew an anesthetist that used to keep the fentanyl he was supposed to dispose of post op. He was notorious for using balanced narcotic anesthesia (fentanyl/versed) and his patients woke up during surgery pretty often due to being under dosed. He overdosed and died, nobody was surprised. That was in the early 1980’s.
I lost my grandma to opioids. Medical marijuana needs a lot of research so we can have a much better replacement.
Creamapod Games just as it is in the real world the truth barely gets listened to.
Hamilton is a super interesting mfer to listen to
I can't imagine being the chemist that introduced fentanyl to the US.
Joe “Fentanyl” Rogan
Ha