Good stuff. I agree that being able to equip the pinnacle runes shoots a character to high tier but the true damage gods (tiers) are the ones that can equip both pinnacle and path runes at the same time (Planet's rejection can cover survivability). Hence why I believe Wayve, Electra, Lian and Celia are the more optimal damage dealers by end game (Yume and Chandra can equip both also but they are two slotters). Iugo and Lam are indeed godly til that point though. Sadly there is only 1 path rune of each type per playthrough but you can collect more in NG+. Dijkstra should really be towards the tiptop also as his unique buff on a physical heavy team is a powerful multiplier that nobody else can replicate. For an optimal team I believe he is a must. If I were to to really try and min/max I believe the optimal team is Electra, Leene, Nowa (MC has to be in), Momo, Dijkstra and a strong mage supporter such as Isha or Lakian. Yup, Lakian. He is a strong support mage with high tier stats all around that benefits from Dijkstra attack buff as his unique rune and normal attacks are physical.
Been waiting for this one!! I’ve beaten the game a few months ago and I had an absolute blast with it. Very excited for the DLC chapters coming this year for the game.
This is a very comprehensive video and really summarizes the strength/weakness of all characters. I played more than 160hrs mostly in combats, Mio is my favorite and I keep her all the time enjoying her massive destructive attacks reaching 3300 damage - Best single target character. Lian is also very strong! I equipped all equipable characters with the warrior pinnacle, Lian easy +2000 damage with her rune attack. The nice part of the game is that you can experiment so many things and variations, and the sad part is you can’t improve the characters enough if they don’t have the rune slots. I hate the characters with equal attack/magic stats! The other negative part is that this game is attack oriented, rarely magic use due to the MP cost and the 90MP fuel ⛽️ I use magic for healing and in case of some boss fights in early/mid game mostly. Reyna, Nowa, Mio, Isha, Dijkstra and any other than Momo or Leene makes sense to me (overpowered just crazy, no boss can withstand anything against them). Interesting game with the customization, I wish the stats are clearly explained. DEX/Luck, DEX vs Attack, Crit/Stun, Rings (Slightly, Moderately, Greatly), I had to spend hours trying to see the logic and benefits.
@ I believe Nowa, Reyna, Mio, Isha, Dijkstra, Momo and Leene are the best. For enjoyment purposes, I’d stick to the first five, and add one more character other than Momo/Leene. Nowa/Reyna/Mio front, Isha/Dijkstra/+1 back. That’s for me personally, others would add Momo/Leene in the mix.
I think people acknowledge Francesca is not great at all? they just like her as a character and you do get her as a very early healer. that combo attack (is that what they're called... I haven't played in a few months and forgot :/) that fully heals the party is excellent but not worth carrying her long-term for. her HP is just sooo low
I have about 65 hours of this game at this point I'm pretty much far but I'm gonna try to not watch the majority of this video especially if the later half is gonna have a bunch of characters that's gonna make me go oh I don't have this person yet so I'm just gonna hold off on watching this all the way until I get every single character to get the true ending. Really though the only thing that does suck is the fact that trying to get every single character and make sure that you remember where to get them is something I kind of wish the game did better and like I know it's trying to harken back to the old days but the fear of losing a character and then having to go through the ending only to realize that you didn't get every single character is something that I wish this game did a little bit better and not to mention some of the requirements could have been a bit more clear. Still a fun and solid game and ironic that you made this list and we just got an update for near the end of this month...... That being said Francesca is god tier due to her being the only healer who acts like a sweetheart 1 minute then becomes a tough as nail's woman and then back to being a sweetheart the next lol.
1000000% agreed on Francesca. Her combo with Falward is good, but it requires taking 2 slots filled with 2 average mages. Also, FINALLY, somebody recognizes that Isha is better than most other mages (I still took Markus because he looks cool). Slightly disagree on Lakian. He doesn't need a lot of rune slots because he's very good at one thing: enchantments. Don't treat him as a mage, give him a wind enchantment rune and watch his arrows fly. That's what his stats are built around. He's only average when he doesn't have an enchantment (preferably wind) augmenting his attacks. The only thing that holds him back from top tier is he can't equip pinnacle or path runes.
Lakian can equip path *or* pinnacle runes. He just can’t equip both at once (last rune is a 4 slot all). Haven’t really bothered with the “enchantment” spells, so can’t say much about that, but he’s tied for 2nd highest attack and magic in the game and has 2 status rune slots. I’m using the 4 slot for the rune of pure water, and he’s proving to be a fantastic healer. Decent speed, decent mp, and turn 1 he does good damage even without pinnacle. Not the best at the role, but he frees up the better candidates to use inferno pillar or auto attacks. He hasn’t left the team since his recruitment.
Reyna is really not a necessary character to have in your party, and probably a waste of a slot. I would not put her in top tier, because in Eiyuden, a great offense is miles better than a great defense, considering that with the right builds, you can destroy most bosses in 2 or 3 turns anyway. And all trash mobs should die in 1 turn before they can attack with Leene in the party. Also, Djikstra (spelling?) makes for a pretty decent support tank already if you put him at the front of the party since he shouldn't do anything else but roar anyway. Just load him up with defensive runes and a firefly rune (attract aggro) and he can do 75% of what Reyna can do tank-wise, which is more than enough in this game. The true saving grace for Reyna is during the war battles. Her defense special skill and her ability to use cavalry for the extra movement can be pretty useful in that regard.
I've yet to properly get into this game yet but the vast amount of characters has me kind of intimidated but I guess it's the same deal with pokemon try them all and get a feel for your play style. Thanks for the guide will reference when the time comes.
Wow, I expected this video be at least 20 minutes long. But I guess you earned a break from all that research. Yeah, in this age of gaming, it's pretty much impossible to balance even 30 characters in an RPG, much less 71. I'll try to make use of all these characters cause I'm that kind of player. But a nicely done video all the same man and looking forward to what you got coming up.
Gigina power was not about his stats. He is low defense yes but beauty about him was the fact his speed was perfect for revival and healing with items and his attacks with right items had great chance to stun enemies for a turn so against some bosses he literally made them not attack single time. Foxiel is top tier for me not as a fighter but if you make her into a healer mage.
Field wise Feri is top teir because of being ranged. Command battle, everyone has been pretty useful so far, since the abilities all seem pretty damn similar to each other unlike past Trails games.
@@locloudanerpg I'm sure it's fun if you're into Sailor Moon or other magical girl anime, but it wore out its welcome for me in the short time she was a mandatory party member.
I had kind of given up on this game at first because it was a little TOO old-school and I couldn't figure out how to recruit enough characters to get my first assignment. (Also, there are THREE fountains. How do I know which one Mellore is at?) But your tier list inspired me to go back in and figure it out. So, thank you!
I think Scarlett is too low, but well I didn't use those runes you mentioned, I beat everything with her unleashing like 70% of my party damage, fastest charge character
two slot characters are nice to use when grinding xp as they make it so xp is divided out to one less character every battle. Their certainly not as good as 2 characters, but they are always better than one.
I took Perielle with me in the final fight, but only because she asked. It...wasn't really worth it. I just realized that there are no character tier lists for Radiant Historia. None! Not on this channel, but on RUclips! You could be the first!
Omg, a yuyuhakusho reference, you truly are the best content creator! Also I didn’t pick this game up, it seemed to have a lot of poor mechanics that could’ve been fixed with very simple and common QoL and most of the opinions were tepid at best, so what are your thoughts on the game after finishing it? Also also, greedy comment I know, I’ve seen a different list way back when based on hard mode where the dude says magic was basically a no go cause of extreme high mp costs, if you played in hard mode do you think your list would change a lot? Great video as always, sorry for massive comment.
@@fd5934 I love Yu Yu Hakusho so much. I liked it. It feels like a newer Suikoden. Most the crappy minigames and mechanics can just be ignored…other than Bagoma. Mages MP is a problem but the damage Momo gives out is 3x any physical attacker, so it balances out. Overall I liked it. It met my expectations so that’s all I can ask for haha.
@@locloudanerpg yu yu hakusho is a masterpiece. Suikoden is one of the series I missed out on, so I’ve no nostalgia, but we seem to have pretty similar tastes, games wise, so I’ll readd this to my list and try it at a later time!
@@locloudanerpg it’s on the list as well, I just take a while to complete games as I get really bad game blues after each one and take forever to start a new game
I'm curious, does anyone know if anyone has made a guide to building every character? (even the ones that suck) I suck at figuring out what works best for each character, so i'm not great at just making builds myself. I however love following others builds, so it would be great if any of you could help me find them if they exist.
Thanks he does have a video where he showcases a good amount of the better characters, I had just hoped someone had made a build guide for every character like TheDarkn1ght made for Trails Into Reverie. Not complaining though, I recognise the time and effort a guide like that would take for so many characters. Thanks again and keep up the good work, love your lists. 😊
@@CHBDragon This is the closest I can find youtube.com/@zutchkorr3056?si=8YOPOJlfBzdnzR1s. He’s done a good job with his Eiyuden content and talks build of some low tier characters.
I'd put Yume mid tier, she's a high single target damage dealer if you equip the SP charge rune with the friend attack she hits hard often, great tank as well with high go and defense. The only downfall is taking two character slots. Prunella is shit tier for me, she does no damage even with her high strength, weird character. Yusuke while great early on, drops off big towards the later half of the game and gets overshadowed badly, for a one dimensional fighter he's a mediocre attacker. Charge up doesn't really save him, bc Galdor and the two sharks do it much better. I'd put him in the low tier. Yuferius and Scarlet used together is high tier for me, their charge up ability boosts their attack and charges SP for their Shark Attack hero combo which hits for great damage on a single target, they both have high HP and defense. Markus is the most versatile mage, he can equip a level 4 magic rune and 2 level 3's along with Mage's Pinnacle, he's a strong mage and is also a good attacker, I consider him high tier. Just my differing thoughts on this list.
Pohl is my favorite character, but I'm not surprised to see him in low tier. He's not very good, but he still never leaves my party if I can help it. I'm just glad he avoided the sh!t tier! xD I do kinda disagree on Francesca and Falward. She's one of the worst characters in the game as far as I'm concerned (she's super squishy, and so slow that she's very likely to die before her turn), but Falward is actually pretty good. I used him as my healer for my entire playthrough, and he was great at keeping my party healthy, even without their unite.
Wish that this game isn't so buggy. I was a backer, received my game early in the year. Decided to play when they iron things out... but they kept releasing new patches anyway. I might ending up playing this next year. 🤣
Good stuff. I agree that being able to equip the pinnacle runes shoots a character to high tier but the true damage gods (tiers) are the ones that can equip both pinnacle and path runes at the same time (Planet's rejection can cover survivability). Hence why I believe Wayve, Electra, Lian and Celia are the more optimal damage dealers by end game (Yume and Chandra can equip both also but they are two slotters). Iugo and Lam are indeed godly til that point though. Sadly there is only 1 path rune of each type per playthrough but you can collect more in NG+.
Dijkstra should really be towards the tiptop also as his unique buff on a physical heavy team is a powerful multiplier that nobody else can replicate. For an optimal team I believe he is a must.
If I were to to really try and min/max I believe the optimal team is Electra, Leene, Nowa (MC has to be in), Momo, Dijkstra and a strong mage supporter such as Isha or Lakian. Yup, Lakian. He is a strong support mage with high tier stats all around that benefits from Dijkstra attack buff as his unique rune and normal attacks are physical.
I would add Nowa to the list of optimal damage dealers by end game because he can equip the warrior's pinnacle and path runes.
I was waiting for this list to happen can't wait to watch!
Great list. Glad to see some of my favorites were towards the top! Rayna and Momo have never left my squad
Been waiting for this one!! I’ve beaten the game a few months ago and I had an absolute blast with it. Very excited for the DLC chapters coming this year for the game.
This is a very comprehensive video and really summarizes the strength/weakness of all characters.
I played more than 160hrs mostly in combats, Mio is my favorite and I keep her all the time enjoying her massive destructive attacks reaching 3300 damage - Best single target character.
Lian is also very strong! I equipped all equipable characters with the warrior pinnacle, Lian easy +2000 damage with her rune attack.
The nice part of the game is that you can experiment so many things and variations, and the sad part is you can’t improve the characters enough if they don’t have the rune slots. I hate the characters with equal attack/magic stats!
The other negative part is that this game is attack oriented, rarely magic use due to the MP cost and the 90MP fuel ⛽️ I use magic for healing and in case of some boss fights in early/mid game mostly.
Reyna, Nowa, Mio, Isha, Dijkstra and any other than Momo or Leene makes sense to me (overpowered just crazy, no boss can withstand anything against them).
Interesting game with the customization, I wish the stats are clearly explained. DEX/Luck, DEX vs Attack, Crit/Stun, Rings (Slightly, Moderately, Greatly), I had to spend hours trying to see the logic and benefits.
so long story short, what do think is the best party for end game?
@ I believe Nowa, Reyna, Mio, Isha, Dijkstra, Momo and Leene are the best. For enjoyment purposes, I’d stick to the first five, and add one more character other than Momo/Leene.
Nowa/Reyna/Mio front, Isha/Dijkstra/+1 back. That’s for me personally, others would add Momo/Leene in the mix.
Marius & El Alicanto are my favorites. Are they statistically strong? No. Am I endlessly amused by them? YES!
I think people acknowledge Francesca is not great at all? they just like her as a character and you do get her as a very early healer. that combo attack (is that what they're called... I haven't played in a few months and forgot :/) that fully heals the party is excellent but not worth carrying her long-term for. her HP is just sooo low
She didn't speak much since she wasn't a combat unit but the blonde Spaniard, Laura, was a great addition. Latin accents feel pretty rare in games.
I have about 65 hours of this game at this point I'm pretty much far but I'm gonna try to not watch the majority of this video especially if the later half is gonna have a bunch of characters that's gonna make me go oh I don't have this person yet so I'm just gonna hold off on watching this all the way until I get every single character to get the true ending. Really though the only thing that does suck is the fact that trying to get every single character and make sure that you remember where to get them is something I kind of wish the game did better and like I know it's trying to harken back to the old days but the fear of losing a character and then having to go through the ending only to realize that you didn't get every single character is something that I wish this game did a little bit better and not to mention some of the requirements could have been a bit more clear. Still a fun and solid game and ironic that you made this list and we just got an update for near the end of this month...... That being said Francesca is god tier due to her being the only healer who acts like a sweetheart 1 minute then becomes a tough as nail's woman and then back to being a sweetheart the next lol.
the yusuke kuwabara guy is in my party from the very start to very end..
Momo is the definition of a glass cannon with path and pinnacle runes, absolutely destroys everything.
1000000% agreed on Francesca. Her combo with Falward is good, but it requires taking 2 slots filled with 2 average mages. Also, FINALLY, somebody recognizes that Isha is better than most other mages (I still took Markus because he looks cool).
Slightly disagree on Lakian. He doesn't need a lot of rune slots because he's very good at one thing: enchantments. Don't treat him as a mage, give him a wind enchantment rune and watch his arrows fly. That's what his stats are built around. He's only average when he doesn't have an enchantment (preferably wind) augmenting his attacks. The only thing that holds him back from top tier is he can't equip pinnacle or path runes.
Lakian can equip path *or* pinnacle runes. He just can’t equip both at once (last rune is a 4 slot all). Haven’t really bothered with the “enchantment” spells, so can’t say much about that, but he’s tied for 2nd highest attack and magic in the game and has 2 status rune slots. I’m using the 4 slot for the rune of pure water, and he’s proving to be a fantastic healer. Decent speed, decent mp, and turn 1 he does good damage even without pinnacle. Not the best at the role, but he frees up the better candidates to use inferno pillar or auto attacks. He hasn’t left the team since his recruitment.
Also: 7:08: when he is introduced during Quinn's mission, she pronounces his name as "DIKE-stra".
Reyna is really not a necessary character to have in your party, and probably a waste of a slot. I would not put her in top tier, because in Eiyuden, a great offense is miles better than a great defense, considering that with the right builds, you can destroy most bosses in 2 or 3 turns anyway. And all trash mobs should die in 1 turn before they can attack with Leene in the party. Also, Djikstra (spelling?) makes for a pretty decent support tank already if you put him at the front of the party since he shouldn't do anything else but roar anyway. Just load him up with defensive runes and a firefly rune (attract aggro) and he can do 75% of what Reyna can do tank-wise, which is more than enough in this game.
The true saving grace for Reyna is during the war battles. Her defense special skill and her ability to use cavalry for the extra movement can be pretty useful in that regard.
She absolutely belongs in top tier whether YOU use her or not.
@@rogerdodger1984 No, she doesn't. Explain why and refute my points (you can't). Don't just say she belongs in top tier because of your feelings.
I've yet to properly get into this game yet but the vast amount of characters has me kind of intimidated but I guess it's the same deal with pokemon try them all and get a feel for your play style. Thanks for the guide will reference when the time comes.
1:15 Shit Tier
1:46 Low Tier
3:00 Lower Mid Tier
5:00 Upper Mid Tier
8:08 Top Tier
9:06 God Tier
9:52 Broken Tier
My man🤜🤛 thanks for all the hard work!. Iugo was nothing special early game, I'm surprised at his redemption. I'll be keeping him around it seems.
@@survives_shipwrecks6107 Yeah he scales the entire time. Enjoy my friend!
Man I want to play this so bad. Trying to hold off so I can clear some backlog. If it has a good sale I'll probably cave lol.
I beat the game a couple of months ago and my favorite team is still Nowa, Dijkstra, Yusuke, Yuferius VII, Scarlet, and Shixeen.
Wow, I expected this video be at least 20 minutes long. But I guess you earned a break from all that research. Yeah, in this age of gaming, it's pretty much impossible to balance even 30 characters in an RPG, much less 71. I'll try to make use of all these characters cause I'm that kind of player. But a nicely done video all the same man and looking forward to what you got coming up.
@@calvinmatthews1527 Thanks! I try to keep them compact.
Gigina power was not about his stats. He is low defense yes but beauty about him was the fact his speed was perfect for revival and healing with items and his attacks with right items had great chance to stun enemies for a turn so against some bosses he literally made them not attack single time. Foxiel is top tier for me not as a fighter but if you make her into a healer mage.
Great video. Trails through Daybreak tier list next please?
@@yyu2025 haha might be a hot second.
Field wise Feri is top teir because of being ranged.
Command battle, everyone has been pretty useful so far, since the abilities all seem pretty damn similar to each other unlike past Trails games.
I always have Djikstra with firefly rune. And auto the shit out of everything
Love this game, and love this video.
Mellore has one more flaw though. Being incredibly annoying all the time.
@@BradPrichard True. Thanks for the support!
@@locloudanerpg I'm sure it's fun if you're into Sailor Moon or other magical girl anime, but it wore out its welcome for me in the short time she was a mandatory party member.
@@BradPrichard Her and The girl oxe had the worst battle dialogue.
I use alot of the mages but Momo is my favorite the best one
Femboy magical girl as the most broken unit in the game was not in my bingo card for this video.
@@uraninezak who knew 😂
I had kind of given up on this game at first because it was a little TOO old-school and I couldn't figure out how to recruit enough characters to get my first assignment. (Also, there are THREE fountains. How do I know which one Mellore is at?) But your tier list inspired me to go back in and figure it out. So, thank you!
@@chrisn676 glad I could help Chris! Thanks for your support on Patreon!
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PROTECT PERRIELE AT ALL COST, DON'T USE HER IN BATTLE 🤣
Momo is the new Luc. If you know you know lol
I think Scarlett is too low, but well I didn't use those runes you mentioned, I beat everything with her unleashing like 70% of my party damage, fastest charge character
two slot characters are nice to use when grinding xp as they make it so xp is divided out to one less character every battle. Their certainly not as good as 2 characters, but they are always better than one.
Hi just want to ask is this good to play in nintendo switch? I heard that it has a problem in terms of loading.
I took Perielle with me in the final fight, but only because she asked. It...wasn't really worth it.
I just realized that there are no character tier lists for Radiant Historia. None! Not on this channel, but on RUclips! You could be the first!
@@alkristopher I got ya!
She can come as your support character, her support ability is pretty darn good if she activates it at the start of battle.
Omg, a yuyuhakusho reference, you truly are the best content creator!
Also I didn’t pick this game up, it seemed to have a lot of poor mechanics that could’ve been fixed with very simple and common QoL and most of the opinions were tepid at best, so what are your thoughts on the game after finishing it?
Also also, greedy comment I know, I’ve seen a different list way back when based on hard mode where the dude says magic was basically a no go cause of extreme high mp costs, if you played in hard mode do you think your list would change a lot?
Great video as always, sorry for massive comment.
@@fd5934 I love Yu Yu Hakusho so much. I liked it. It feels like a newer Suikoden. Most the crappy minigames and mechanics can just be ignored…other than Bagoma. Mages MP is a problem but the damage Momo gives out is 3x any physical attacker, so it balances out. Overall I liked it. It met my expectations so that’s all I can ask for haha.
@@locloudanerpg yu yu hakusho is a masterpiece. Suikoden is one of the series I missed out on, so I’ve no nostalgia, but we seem to have pretty similar tastes, games wise, so I’ll readd this to my list and try it at a later time!
@@fd5934 I would put Monochrome Mobius in front of this one. That’s still my fav game of 2024.
@@locloudanerpg it’s on the list as well, I just take a while to complete games as I get really bad game blues after each one and take forever to start a new game
@@fd5934 I understand that.
I'm curious, does anyone know if anyone has made a guide to building every character? (even the ones that suck) I suck at figuring out what works best for each character, so i'm not great at just making builds myself. I however love following others builds, so it would be great if any of you could help me find them if they exist.
@@CHBDragon I would check out Rosalin. ruclips.net/video/WCI4VZIiwdE/видео.html&si=qUJMCN4aUy5bqCDV
Thanks he does have a video where he showcases a good amount of the better characters, I had just hoped someone had made a build guide for every character like TheDarkn1ght made for Trails Into Reverie. Not complaining though, I recognise the time and effort a guide like that would take for so many characters. Thanks again and keep up the good work, love your lists. 😊
@@CHBDragon This is the closest I can find youtube.com/@zutchkorr3056?si=8YOPOJlfBzdnzR1s. He’s done a good job with his Eiyuden content and talks build of some low tier characters.
Much appreciated
I'd put Yume mid tier, she's a high single target damage dealer if you equip the SP charge rune with the friend attack she hits hard often, great tank as well with high go and defense. The only downfall is taking two character slots.
Prunella is shit tier for me, she does no damage even with her high strength, weird character.
Yusuke while great early on, drops off big towards the later half of the game and gets overshadowed badly, for a one dimensional fighter he's a mediocre attacker. Charge up doesn't really save him, bc Galdor and the two sharks do it much better. I'd put him in the low tier.
Yuferius and Scarlet used together is high tier for me, their charge up ability boosts their attack and charges SP for their Shark Attack hero combo which hits for great damage on a single target, they both have high HP and defense.
Markus is the most versatile mage, he can equip a level 4 magic rune and 2 level 3's along with Mage's Pinnacle, he's a strong mage and is also a good attacker, I consider him high tier. Just my differing thoughts on this list.
Pohl is my favorite character, but I'm not surprised to see him in low tier. He's not very good, but he still never leaves my party if I can help it. I'm just glad he avoided the sh!t tier! xD
I do kinda disagree on Francesca and Falward. She's one of the worst characters in the game as far as I'm concerned (she's super squishy, and so slow that she's very likely to die before her turn), but Falward is actually pretty good. I used him as my healer for my entire playthrough, and he was great at keeping my party healthy, even without their unite.
@@othergrimm6592 Yeah he’s not the worst. The games easy enough that you could play with anyone.
@@locloudanerpg Falward is pretty good, when he is outspeeding and stunning enemies with his basic attack.
Why i dont remember her on the list u just mentioned ? (the teleport girl)
@@lenovoaisev5541 she’s there
I liked the shark guy
Noice 👍🏽
No way im leaving hottest character Hakugin out of my party 😍🤤
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i dont care about your top tier/god tier list.. i will still use hakugin for 2 big reasons... :D
@@tepennn0 1. She’s the only ninja, 2. She wears purple.
Wish that this game isn't so buggy. I was a backer, received my game early in the year.
Decided to play when they iron things out... but they kept releasing new patches anyway. I might ending up playing this next year.
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@@Kaimax61 I think it’s in good shape right now. I don’t think you’ll have any issues.
everything is fixed now.
but there will be DLC. maybe wait for that.
You know the game is that good when the most broken character in the game is a femboy mahou shoujo.
Persona 3 reload who is best
@@TheHoneredOne8 on it!
10:08 wait....what?...making ''him''? .....oh no... ill pass
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I don’t know I just finished war in euchrisse , i hate iugo guy I have never seen him doing good damage
That's ok, I make this crap up anyway.
Wait? That mage was a boy? Wtf
@@stationary-plane-dweller That’s the theory anyway haha.
Is it me or is Garr not even on the list