I enjoyed remapping the controls in the steam deck so that I can play one handed since it gets really cold here and I’d like to bundle up as much as possible
This review is the exact reason why I am subbed to your channel. You discussed a variety of things that haven’t really been covered by other reviewers. Great job on the review!
I love jrpgs. They’re not my all time favorite genre of game but I play a fair amount, especially turn based ones. All that to say,it is so refreshing to hear a non-jrpg RUclips channel speak on one of these games without extreme bias. I appreciate you making this video!
My love for the suikoden series started with the first one in -97 and this one does not dissapoint! 35h’s in and i am having a 💥! The humor is lovely and i always take the japanese voiceacting in games and it is awesome the voices truly enhance the characters🙂 Good show sir as always
Yup. As a proud member of the "Called for Suikoden 6 for a decade and a half" club, I've been a little disappointed, and frankly surprised, at how the response has been to this game. It pales in comparison to the praise things like Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars got, despite doing many of the same things but much better. I'm sickened over Murayama's death but am happy he was able to give us one more gem and am pumped the series is continuing! Let's go for at least 5 entries
@@Lock2002ful I've heard of Terra Memorial but never played it. My understanding was that it was more like a Minecraft or something, about building. I may have to check it out as I'm always actively looking for new JRPGs. I do think Chained Echoes did a couple things that were either new or at least pretty rare like the way characters were built instead of the traditional leveling and the reward board. But yeah it still was pretty much right in line with a traditional JRPG. Sea of Stars did nothing new, was just a total throwback and did absolutely nothing new. Don't get me wrong I vastly enjoyed both and they did a LOT right, most right even, but you can't praise them and criticize Eiyuden. I honestly think it's the random encounters that swayed people's opinions
@@rude_wredne playing games for a living and then 100% then constantly still takes a lot of time, he posts a video every day which takes a long time as well. So that would mean all he does every day is play games and create video's. He lives and breathes youtube 24 hours per day.
Thanks for the review as always! I really like the fact that the normal battles are fast and you can just put it on auto while the boss battles are fun and challenging enough (at least on hard). Don't get me wrong, I love a complicated combat system with many layers just like anybody else. But most of the time they tend to overstay their welcome, especially in normal battles as you will be doing tons of them. Being able to do mindless grinding preparing for a boss while doing something else like catching up with your favorite shows or a podcast is something I really miss and this game provides just that. A very cozy and comforting game. While the game has certains problems, I think it has lots of potential to explore with its sequel (especially now that the devs have confirmed they are working on it).
Excelent review as always. I'm currently playing it and really loving the game. One thing that I think they nailed is the VA across the board. Considering the sheer number of characters, they did a great job conveying each character personality through the voice acting.
I played it on JP cuz in first few hours playing it on EN the translations are really off and completely changed the tone and interactions of the characters. There is a part that they should be throwing jokes but in EN they sounded like they hated each other. And this is not just one scene, but throught out the entire playthrough. I haven't finished it yet cuz I played it again in JP. I dunnu why people pretend that changing the context is fine to a story driven game. What if we they did the same thing with Western Games? I'm currently making list of mistranslations even though this is not my job but it hurts so much that whoever translated this might be hated their job so they butchered it or probably they hated JRPG so much.
I know a lot of ppl ar criticizing the localization (some valid are valid and some are not) but that aside I was really impressed by the VA as well. There's also a TON of it in the game from so many characters.
Thank you very much for covering this game on your channel! In-depth and on point as usual. It is very special to me since I'm a big Suikoden fan. It may not be perfect, but it's the Suikoden that was promised. It's also a tribute to classic old school JRPGs and Murayama Yoshitaka. I hope that Rabbit and Bear can carry on, because we need this kind of games
The best moment is when random character talk to Nowa on the night before the last campaign. I save and load to get every dialogue. Also I really in love with the game's pixel art. Btw the video is the real gamer review.
So soon after your first impressions video! I’m constantly impressed by your efficiency with these games, well done! Hope you enjoyed some of your time with this one :)
To go along with your issues with combat: 1) Nearly all Hero Combos are worse than just attacking individually with each character 2) Magic is pretty much always weaker than physical (even just basic attacks) until very late game, and MP is so limited, items become more useful 3) I didn't even realize enemies had weaknesses until hours into the game, as there's no clear indicator when you hit a weakness or if they have a weakness at all. It's not like SMT or something where you see character/enemy affinities & "Crit" or "Weak" notifications pop up 4) You choose character attacks out of order from when you actually move in battle. You get to use to it, but it feels very different from other JRPGs where you select actions based on speed/turn order But I also agree with everything you mentioned about combat, like not being able to react in combat
Thanks for mentioning the localisation mate, and apologies for going off on one on your other video about it - it just did my nut in so bad that it happened given how hyped I was for this game. Still awaiting (hoping for) a fix personally, but loved this even-handed review.
As someone who put nearly 60h in this game already I would say completely the same things about this game. Great Review, thats by far the most honest and precise review I've seen so far. ❤
I followed a guide to get to at least 100 heroes. A few of the recruiting requirements were so obtuse or annoying I didn't bother. It is helpful to know in advance what heroes will be required for certain missions so you can beef them up in advance. I am a big fan of Suikoden, so this game is right up my alley.
You always break everything down so well. Thank you for your constant hard work. I hope unicorn overlord comes to pc as I'd love to see your take on it. I personally thought it handled a large cast well vs how things seem to be framed here.
Fair and balanced review! I will add that I think connection to the characters comes with investing your time into them just like it does with making friends in real life. If you bring a character with you (even if they're a support/backup) they'll interject personalized comments at points in story/conversation/exploration where it would make sense for that character. This is a little harder to do for characters you recruit near the end of the game, though. You can also reveal everyone's backstory a bit more at the divination booth if you want to know more about them. I think they did about as well as they could for such a large cast, but I do agree a bit more from some of the characters would have been nice. Perhaps we'll get more from some of the neglected ones in the DLCs once they come out.
That was my feeling as well. Seems like Konami has almost no interest in making another Suikoden, so this feels more like an attempt to continue the feel of that series, good or bad, and seems to succeed in that regard.
Based on what I am seeing here, I am going to enjoy this even though it is wildly different than Rising. I also saw the three from Rising in the character list so I am looking forward to seeing what they are up to.
Thanks for this one! I'm having a great time about 10 hours in. Definitely good to go in with the right expectations. They really really want you to know this is a lot of members of the Suikoden team making a game that is very much like Suikoden. I totally agree with your point about them trying and failing to modernize. Even just UI stuff is often harder than it needs to be. Doesn't have a huge impact on the game, but things like rendering times in the menu preventing you from scrolling through the tabs as quickly as you want are definitely present. But then I go out in the world and enjoy the plot and pick up a bunch of weird junk to take back to town, and I'm happy.
Oh, just one other small thing. I think your point about the modern language in the localization is valid, but at the same time, the Japanese version has all kinds of very modern foreign loan words as well. I tend to think that's just kinda how they want it. Doesn't necessarily make it a good decision, but I think I would blame the original script just as much as the localization.
120 heroes ...... my brain started to lag but i wonder how much story is to them buildable player settlement is one of the most underestimated ideas that deserve much love
Great review!! Its amazing how quick you 100% this even with a early copy. I am already playing the game for a while (lv2 town) but i can see some of the points that was mentioned in this video. namely resources in the beginning are scarce but as you progress it gets better. the trading system is a good way to get money but theres also the items that you can appraise which often being dropped by enemies. i love that this game hits my nostalgia for Suikoden and other JRPGs of old but makes it very playable with the art style and systems. Theres definitely lots of Quality of Life improvement that can be done but It wasnt really bothering me as much. ( i got the good old notepad beside me again... oh those were the days) i just wish for a "faster animation" setting, Garr's and Nowa's skill takes forever with trash battles. overall, i am loving the game
Really appreciate you getting into JRPGs. A series I bet Mortismal would like is Valkyria Chronicles, it's WWII themed, no fighting god lol. The 4th game even stars college graduate protagonists.
I'm so looking forward to playing this... in two months when I get back from my trip abroad starting tomorrow. But it's been good to not have to think about it because the news of Murayama's passing hurt like no other "celeb" before him. One of the all-time greats, and my personal favourite creator of all time.
I like how the game balances the story needed characters in your party and the player picking their character for combat. It is a game with 100+ characters so many will become "character of hat". I hope for some more games set after this with the characters like those shop character. I love the choose first then the action happen. it make the combat more fun and add something you can work with or not care about.
Welcome to the Suikoden formula. Come for the story, stay for the character development of almost every character in the game and lore. The series could have been something if Konami allowed it to florish with the tons of lore it had. Mysteries from past civilizations and recurring (yes, recurring) characters. If Eiyuden continues it will likely follow this formula and hopefully add more to it.
Wild that devs today still code game mechanics (in this case enemy encounter rate) to be affected by FPS. I can understand it happening in Skyrim (2011), but in 2024? Sheesh.
Been playing this exclusively on my Steam Deck and loving it so far. Probably the only thing that's really bugging me too much is not being able to save on the world map but so far save points seem pretty common.
Hey i just wanted to point out to everyone here. I know you normally play games on PC, and this game on PC is in a good spot but its pretty bad on the Switch for those looking to purchase it there Random Crashes 4-7 second loading screens in between random encounters (after a while it gets insanely annoying) Lots of stuttering and inconsistent FPS I cant speak on Xbox and PS experience. For those looking to buy the game i'd avoid the Switch version until they drop a patch to fix it
I’m not really into JRPGs, but the art style is definitely interesting here. Regarding price, I remember original NES games being $60 at Toys R Us in the 80s (yeah, I’m old). The fact that games have basically stayed the same price for 35+ years is pretty impressive really.
I find this review more informative than the ones on JRPG-focused channels done by self-proclaimed "hardcore fans of Suikoden". Some channels are also trying to gain something from the localisation drama, fortunately not here.
I have very similar feelings to what you say here after completing the game as well. While it nails the *vibes* that made me love Suikoden as a young man, in some cases it was *too* faithful to the way Suikoden 1 & 2 was *mechanically*. While Suikoden 3 & 5 remain my favorites, I hope they refine the formula and keep pumping out more of the Suikoden style games I've always loved. As a last note, it was somewhat strange for me to learn "well, just how would Naruke and M. Sakuraba do a Suikoden soundtrack?" Overall I felt that the soundtrack was hit and miss sometimes, but that may be nostalgia talking.
Not sure if you noticed since I don't recall you mentioning it, but in regards to the battle system - While you do select all of your actions at once before a turn starts, you can see the order in which all of the actions will occur, including the enemies, at the top of the screen. So if you need to heal someone you can use a character that will act before enemy will if you want to guarantee it goes off. In fact I would say a lot of the combat if you playing on full hard difficulty involves using the right attack order to take out enemies before they can attack.
Thanks of for the 100%. I might've missed it, but the combat had an "auto" option. Was than an auto-battle option? If so, did it work. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.
Yeah, its just pretty basic, you select a party strategy and then a few actions each character will priortize, usually each characters default is good and you can interrupt to give a specific command when necessary
Autobattle works pretty well for non-boss fights especially if you take the time to go in and customize the logic it uses for each character in the "Battle Plan" menu. I do recommend setting it to fight without using MP as a partywide strategy though, or you'll find yourself without MP for bosses. Just stock up on healing items for them to use to heal you instead of using healing magic, for regular fights on auto.
@@foozlesprite Better to set it to fight without using items, this way you don't have a super rare healing item used when 1 character gets hit. Happened to me after a boss fight and I had to reset to the save before the boss and fight it again so I didn't lose that super nice rare healing item.
I'll say this as a DIE-HARD SUIKODEN FAN. play the game an have fun with it, don't rush it. I'm at 120 hours deep. Just enjoying I'm not even at the arc past getting Marisa yet. Garoo just joined me
Thanks for the review, appreciate it. I loved Suikoden 1-3 and have been waiting for this one. A little bit worried tho because Im obsessed with Unicorn Overlord atm and not sure if Eiyuden will stack up well against UO. That being said I’m still gonna grab it lol
Suikoden was always a hit or miss for me but this looks pretty good. I love all the different cultures and how the town grows and all the mini games. Thank you sir.
Some of the town/base-building reminds me a bit of Chained Echoes. But overall this looks like something I'll definitely play eventually. Last weekend I just finished the main story for Eiyuden Chronicle: Rising (just left with post-main-story missions), which is such a fun and entertaining game. Also, sadly I never finished Suikoden 2 :'(
So glad it's finally out, I've been waiting on a new Suikoden for so many years (thanks Konami :( ), this is absolutely the next best thing. I think my favorite war battle system came from Suiko 2 and 3. Three just felt like you were really in it and if i remember correctly the game rewarded you for beating some of the harder scenarios that otherwise you lose due to story.
I wanted to get this on switch but I’ve learned my lesson to wait. I’ve heard they’ve been patching some of the issues but I’m gonna hold off for a bit. Maybe a few months since I’ve got a backlog rn! But once through that I wanna play it.
@@Astreon123 It was an old RPG series. I played it on the Playstation One, but it may have appeared on other systems as well. It was honestly one of the best PS1 rpgs I had the chance to play! Highly recommend!
Love your review. Very good in details. Between this and playing Octopath Traveler I don't know, I feel JRPG can improve so much but devs are scare to try. Hell Yakuza Like a Dragon does it very well but I want the old classic fantasy theme. Anyway, GOOD JOB!! 👏
i'll probably eventually look to pick this one up and play it, simply because of the aestetic. i absolutely love the look. pulled off in spades in a remake of my favourite jprg of all time, Star Ocean The Second Story R. that game is incredible and i doubt anything will top it for me, but this game looks fun
after 40 hours of eggfoot breeding and races I might actually have to start playing this game. sounds like it might be fun as well :D I like the "Attendants" so you can bring plot important characters with you. Without ruining your preferred squad. I always run the same 6 characters. Only switching them out if a stronger new companion shows up. I'm surprised how deep the characters backstories are despite not using most of them.
125 hours in and still trying to get everything to 100 percent (well, or at least get every achievement/trophy). It is definitely not a perfect game, but I love it and as a backer I am very happy. I will get an EC tattoo on monday.
I grew up on suikoden and it’s probably my favorite rpg franchise. I don’t game as much these days, but eiyuden is ok. I agree with practically everything you said. Characters could use more development and it needs more modernization. Like, I forgot how tedious games like this can be. For me, I’d love the modernized older ff games with a 2x speed option
I started the game on gamepass. I'm glad I didn't buy it. It's not a bad game, but there is a moment when you have to stop being an hommage and you try to get some personality. And it seems from that review that the game will have little of it. I'm still going to have some fun. For a moment! Anyway, great review, as always.
This is how you do it. Finished the game and then review it. People like RGT85 will play an hour as soon as the game releases and then hurry up and make a video about it trying to be the first person uploading one. How the f*** can you review a game that you played a couple hours of?
Nice. I poo-poo’d jrpgs for years. I played Legend of Heroes Trails form Sky and it changed my mind. I don’t love that whole series… but that game got me to try other jrpgs. I seem to favor the look and gameplay of older jrpgs. Playing Dragon Quest 1 now on switch… it’s awesome. A couple things you described about combat might have me hold on this one… hmmm. Do like the visuals. Thanks
The good thing about the dragon quest series is they keep it relatively old school even with the modern games. Dragon quest 11 s can even be played either 3d or old school 2d lol.
I love the art style and how fun it looks just overall. Managing that many characters sounds like a nightmare though, but I understand that its kinda in the name lol. Something I'll take a look at a later date. Too many games on deck to drop $50 on a game I realistically can't get to before the end of the year.
"We don't end up fighting god" that makes me laugh so hard!🤣 I don't know what Jrpgs have with the "killing god" thing, but it sure is refreshing to not deal with this trope sometimes.
Thanks for making this video MG! I have a question: When are you going to do Star Ocean: The Second Story R? It’s one of the best remakes in gaming history and arguably the best in the entire series!
I genuinely enjoyed the game, despite the localization issues. I will say that most of the physical skill runes were quite lackluster and the magical runes were predictable in their uses. As you’ve mentioned, it was very “this is the right answer” associated with them. Hated the beigoma mini-game, though… Fun Fact: Ni No Kuni II is another game with Suikoden-like mechanics (base building & recruiting for your base). It was not as well-received as the first game, but overall gameplay was generally well-received compared to the first game.
"We don't end up fighting god" Thank god. No pun intended, it's just too predictable of a trope for JRPGs. Thanks for the review, I'm probably holding off buying it since I'm somewhat busy atm and I have other games I want to go through first.
Oh good review, I want to warn that while I love it, this game is still buggy on Switch and prone to soft locking on load screens at the castle (of which there are many). Sadly I've had to shelf this otherwise fantastic game in hopes that they will soon have a fix for this issue. I've just lost too much progress too many times even after being aware of this bug and saving at every opportunity. It's a shame because I was really getting into it and worrying about the game freezing really fights against that immersion. Fingers crossed for a fix!
One of my gripes is hero combos being abysmal to the exception of a few i found. I dunno why normal attacking is nearly better in 100% of the cases. Hope they fix this in the sequel coz no point using combos if they suck. 2 slot characters need to be buffed too. No point losing 2 chars to one. Think an extra support slot would be nice too. Most of the time you'll use Cassandra and never use the others. Also the support skills should say they are chance based to trigger. It's not 100%.
Good review. The game looks fun, even if not without some issues. You make the comparison to classic Final Fantasy games but also acknowledge that the game is more specifically modelled after Suikoden. Much of what you note about the game is stuff that you already know if you have played some of the old Suikoden titles. Did you play any Suikoden titles? The game seems geared to recreate the classic Suikoden experience and whether the game works ultimately or not will likely be whether it succeeds in appealing to Suikoden series fans or brings new fans into the series.
There is game breaking bug that wont let me continue the story. Late in game after i talk to seign on top of the castle . Then u have to talk to euma. It says on current goal you cant get to sleep. Try taking a walk. But in game its day light and nothing progresses the story. At all. I have no backup saves.
While not perfect, far, far from some half-assed, nostalgia-bait RPG. Yeah, the stuff you pointed out can annoy or bug some people, but overall these are minor when compared to the finished game. Plus, we still got that DLC & sequels to look forward to.
If you like the game, I believe Konomi is releasing remasters of Suikoden 1 & 2 pretty soon. Solid games assuming the remasters dont get butchered somehow
I really dislike the battle system as well, how you have to choose all of your moves at once, kinda turned me off to the game overall. Once again excellent review, I know where I'll be going anytime I want to see a detailed and honest review from now on.
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So sad the lead developer didn’t get a chance to see it go to full release before the passed
RIP bro, you gave the world a good thing
4 good things : Suikoden1+2+3+ECHH 😁
@@armorvil I guess I just meant all the stuff he worked on, not specific titles, but sure 👍
The sentiment is there
hmmmm? he died? who made this one?
@@armorvil echh? ects? lol and this one look good imo.
@@Jabberwokee hmmm?
as a steamdeck user, i appreciate that you always include steamdeck playability on your review👍👍👍
yes please!
I enjoyed remapping the controls in the steam deck so that I can play one handed since it gets really cold here and I’d like to bundle up as much as possible
@@oreodeplata922 🤣
I did the game 100% on the deck and it was very enjoyable!
yes thank you for the handheld part - it should always be considered because handhelds become even more iportant
This review is the exact reason why I am subbed to your channel. You discussed a variety of things that haven’t really been covered by other reviewers. Great job on the review!
I love jrpgs. They’re not my all time favorite genre of game but I play a fair amount, especially turn based ones. All that to say,it is so refreshing to hear a non-jrpg RUclips channel speak on one of these games without extreme bias. I appreciate you making this video!
My love for the suikoden series started with the first one in -97 and this one does not dissapoint! 35h’s in and i am having a 💥! The humor is lovely and i always take the japanese voiceacting in games and it is awesome the voices truly enhance the characters🙂 Good show sir as always
Yup. As a proud member of the "Called for Suikoden 6 for a decade and a half" club, I've been a little disappointed, and frankly surprised, at how the response has been to this game. It pales in comparison to the praise things like Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars got, despite doing many of the same things but much better. I'm sickened over Murayama's death but am happy he was able to give us one more gem and am pumped the series is continuing! Let's go for at least 5 entries
Chained echoes absolutely did new things. Combat was amazing and outs real time rpgs combat to shame
@@Lock2002ful I've heard of Terra Memorial but never played it. My understanding was that it was more like a Minecraft or something, about building. I may have to check it out as I'm always actively looking for new JRPGs. I do think Chained Echoes did a couple things that were either new or at least pretty rare like the way characters were built instead of the traditional leveling and the reward board. But yeah it still was pretty much right in line with a traditional JRPG. Sea of Stars did nothing new, was just a total throwback and did absolutely nothing new. Don't get me wrong I vastly enjoyed both and they did a LOT right, most right even, but you can't praise them and criticize Eiyuden. I honestly think it's the random encounters that swayed people's opinions
Suikoden is rare serious where all the games are good (yes, 4 is the weakest but it is still a good game).
You're an absolute machine, i haven't even started the game yet haha
This dude makes me feel like a failure lol. Like I’m not doing enough & should be a better person.. by 100% more games in a shorter amount of time.
@@OdorGod dude what the fuck are you talking about? This guy plays games for living
@@rude_wredne…ok? I’m saying I wish I could beat more games like him & that’s your response?
@@OdorGod hilarious joke
@@rude_wredne playing games for a living and then 100% then constantly still takes a lot of time, he posts a video every day which takes a long time as well.
So that would mean all he does every day is play games and create video's. He lives and breathes youtube 24 hours per day.
This is the most even-handed review of Eiyuden Chronicles: Hundred Heroes. Anyone considering purchasing the game should watch this.
Thanks for the review as always! I really like the fact that the normal battles are fast and you can just put it on auto while the boss battles are fun and challenging enough (at least on hard). Don't get me wrong, I love a complicated combat system with many layers just like anybody else. But most of the time they tend to overstay their welcome, especially in normal battles as you will be doing tons of them. Being able to do mindless grinding preparing for a boss while doing something else like catching up with your favorite shows or a podcast is something I really miss and this game provides just that. A very cozy and comforting game.
While the game has certains problems, I think it has lots of potential to explore with its sequel (especially now that the devs have confirmed they are working on it).
True gamer review laser focused zero drama, thank you Mortismal
Excelent review as always. I'm currently playing it and really loving the game.
One thing that I think they nailed is the VA across the board. Considering the sheer number of characters, they did a great job conveying each character personality through the voice acting.
I played it on JP cuz in first few hours playing it on EN the translations are really off and completely changed the tone and interactions of the characters. There is a part that they should be throwing jokes but in EN they sounded like they hated each other. And this is not just one scene, but throught out the entire playthrough. I haven't finished it yet cuz I played it again in JP.
I dunnu why people pretend that changing the context is fine to a story driven game. What if we they did the same thing with Western Games?
I'm currently making list of mistranslations even though this is not my job but it hurts so much that whoever translated this might be hated their job so they butchered it or probably they hated JRPG so much.
I suppose you mean the jp VA, because the localization is freaking garbage.
Yeah the EN VA was very serviceable and quite enjoyable in a lot of parts
I know a lot of ppl ar criticizing the localization (some valid are valid and some are not) but that aside I was really impressed by the VA as well. There's also a TON of it in the game from so many characters.
Switch to japanese voices and gg
Thank you very much for covering this game on your channel! In-depth and on point as usual. It is very special to me since I'm a big Suikoden fan. It may not be perfect, but it's the Suikoden that was promised. It's also a tribute to classic old school JRPGs and Murayama Yoshitaka. I hope that Rabbit and Bear can carry on, because we need this kind of games
The best moment is when random character talk to Nowa on the night before the last campaign. I save and load to get every dialogue. Also I really in love with the game's pixel art.
Btw the video is the real gamer review.
This games art style got me to actually record a short vid about it. Your thorough dives are always great man
So soon after your first impressions video! I’m constantly impressed by your efficiency with these games, well done! Hope you enjoyed some of your time with this one :)
To go along with your issues with combat:
1) Nearly all Hero Combos are worse than just attacking individually with each character
2) Magic is pretty much always weaker than physical (even just basic attacks) until very late game, and MP is so limited, items become more useful
3) I didn't even realize enemies had weaknesses until hours into the game, as there's no clear indicator when you hit a weakness or if they have a weakness at all. It's not like SMT or something where you see character/enemy affinities & "Crit" or "Weak" notifications pop up
4) You choose character attacks out of order from when you actually move in battle. You get to use to it, but it feels very different from other JRPGs where you select actions based on speed/turn order
But I also agree with everything you mentioned about combat, like not being able to react in combat
Thanks for mentioning the localisation mate, and apologies for going off on one on your other video about it - it just did my nut in so bad that it happened given how hyped I was for this game.
Still awaiting (hoping for) a fix personally, but loved this even-handed review.
thank you for the detailed review, now I'm really looking forward to playing this after I finish up Dragon's Dogma 2!
As someone who put nearly 60h in this game already I would say completely the same things about this game. Great Review, thats by far the most honest and precise review I've seen so far. ❤
I followed a guide to get to at least 100 heroes. A few of the recruiting requirements were so obtuse or annoying I didn't bother. It is helpful to know in advance what heroes will be required for certain missions so you can beef them up in advance. I am a big fan of Suikoden, so this game is right up my alley.
You always break everything down so well. Thank you for your constant hard work. I hope unicorn overlord comes to pc as I'd love to see your take on it. I personally thought it handled a large cast well vs how things seem to be framed here.
Fair and balanced review! I will add that I think connection to the characters comes with investing your time into them just like it does with making friends in real life. If you bring a character with you (even if they're a support/backup) they'll interject personalized comments at points in story/conversation/exploration where it would make sense for that character. This is a little harder to do for characters you recruit near the end of the game, though. You can also reveal everyone's backstory a bit more at the divination booth if you want to know more about them. I think they did about as well as they could for such a large cast, but I do agree a bit more from some of the characters would have been nice. Perhaps we'll get more from some of the neglected ones in the DLCs once they come out.
Fair review, say for saying trying to modernize. It was always goal to be more classic than anything.
That was my feeling as well. Seems like Konami has almost no interest in making another Suikoden, so this feels more like an attempt to continue the feel of that series, good or bad, and seems to succeed in that regard.
you are a machine man, congrats on the channel!
Based on what I am seeing here, I am going to enjoy this even though it is wildly different than Rising. I also saw the three from Rising in the character list so I am looking forward to seeing what they are up to.
It is a shame the creator of this game and the Suikoden franchise passed away before its release.
Skill issue
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This is exactly why I subscribed. Finding hidden treasures that are kind of my jam and I have never heared of before.
Thanks for this one! I'm having a great time about 10 hours in. Definitely good to go in with the right expectations. They really really want you to know this is a lot of members of the Suikoden team making a game that is very much like Suikoden.
I totally agree with your point about them trying and failing to modernize. Even just UI stuff is often harder than it needs to be. Doesn't have a huge impact on the game, but things like rendering times in the menu preventing you from scrolling through the tabs as quickly as you want are definitely present.
But then I go out in the world and enjoy the plot and pick up a bunch of weird junk to take back to town, and I'm happy.
Oh, just one other small thing. I think your point about the modern language in the localization is valid, but at the same time, the Japanese version has all kinds of very modern foreign loan words as well.
I tend to think that's just kinda how they want it. Doesn't necessarily make it a good decision, but I think I would blame the original script just as much as the localization.
120 heroes ...... my brain started to lag but i wonder how much story is to them
buildable player settlement is one of the most underestimated ideas that deserve much love
Thanks for the sweet review. I 100%'d the prequel, and I'm very daunted by this, but you made it more palpable.
Great review!! Its amazing how quick you 100% this even with a early copy.
I am already playing the game for a while (lv2 town) but i can see some of the points that was mentioned in this video. namely resources in the beginning are scarce but as you progress it gets better. the trading system is a good way to get money but theres also the items that you can appraise which often being dropped by enemies.
i love that this game hits my nostalgia for Suikoden and other JRPGs of old but makes it very playable with the art style and systems. Theres definitely lots of Quality of Life improvement that can be done but It wasnt really bothering me as much. ( i got the good old notepad beside me again... oh those were the days) i just wish for a "faster animation" setting, Garr's and Nowa's skill takes forever with trash battles.
overall, i am loving the game
Really appreciate you getting into JRPGs. A series I bet Mortismal would like is Valkyria Chronicles, it's WWII themed, no fighting god lol. The 4th game even stars college graduate protagonists.
I'm so looking forward to playing this... in two months when I get back from my trip abroad starting tomorrow. But it's been good to not have to think about it because the news of Murayama's passing hurt like no other "celeb" before him. One of the all-time greats, and my personal favourite creator of all time.
I like how the game balances the story needed characters in your party and the player picking their character for combat.
It is a game with 100+ characters so many will become "character of hat". I hope for some more games set after this with the characters like those shop character.
I love the choose first then the action happen. it make the combat more fun and add something you can work with or not care about.
Welcome to the Suikoden formula. Come for the story, stay for the character development of almost every character in the game and lore.
The series could have been something if Konami allowed it to florish with the tons of lore it had. Mysteries from past civilizations and recurring (yes, recurring) characters. If Eiyuden continues it will likely follow this formula and hopefully add more to it.
Wild that devs today still code game mechanics (in this case enemy encounter rate) to be affected by FPS. I can understand it happening in Skyrim (2011), but in 2024? Sheesh.
that's how you know the devs are genuinely old skool folks.
tears of the kingdom has game speed tied to FPS
In a certain sense, the fact that we don't end up fighting and killing God in this JRPG could be considered a spoiler, so thanks for that Morty.
Been playing this exclusively on my Steam Deck and loving it so far. Probably the only thing that's really bugging me too much is not being able to save on the world map but so far save points seem pretty common.
Hey i just wanted to point out to everyone here. I know you normally play games on PC, and this game on PC is in a good spot but its pretty bad on the Switch for those looking to purchase it there
Random Crashes
4-7 second loading screens in between random encounters (after a while it gets insanely annoying)
Lots of stuttering and inconsistent FPS
I cant speak on Xbox and PS experience. For those looking to buy the game i'd avoid the Switch version until they drop a patch to fix it
Thanks for the warning, was considering picking it up on switch
I’m not really into JRPGs, but the art style is definitely interesting here.
Regarding price, I remember original NES games being $60 at Toys R Us in the 80s (yeah, I’m old). The fact that games have basically stayed the same price for 35+ years is pretty impressive really.
Lot of it has to do with the games having had actual hardware. I remember spending like 80 maybe 90 on chrono trigger when it came out.
I find this review more informative than the ones on JRPG-focused channels done by self-proclaimed "hardcore fans of Suikoden". Some channels are also trying to gain something from the localisation drama, fortunately not here.
Steamdeck notes are greatly appreciated. Thanks for the review!
I have very similar feelings to what you say here after completing the game as well. While it nails the *vibes* that made me love Suikoden as a young man, in some cases it was *too* faithful to the way Suikoden 1 & 2 was *mechanically*. While Suikoden 3 & 5 remain my favorites, I hope they refine the formula and keep pumping out more of the Suikoden style games I've always loved. As a last note, it was somewhat strange for me to learn "well, just how would Naruke and M. Sakuraba do a Suikoden soundtrack?" Overall I felt that the soundtrack was hit and miss sometimes, but that may be nostalgia talking.
*game launches*
Mortismal a few moments later: So after completing this game 100%,
Wish the switch performance wasn't terrible.
Not sure if you noticed since I don't recall you mentioning it, but in regards to the battle system - While you do select all of your actions at once before a turn starts, you can see the order in which all of the actions will occur, including the enemies, at the top of the screen. So if you need to heal someone you can use a character that will act before enemy will if you want to guarantee it goes off. In fact I would say a lot of the combat if you playing on full hard difficulty involves using the right attack order to take out enemies before they can attack.
Today I learned how to pronounce Suikoden. Ty ty my friend great video
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Best review on the site thanks 🙏
Always top tier content on this channel, thanks 👌🏾
Thanks of for the 100%. I might've missed it, but the combat had an "auto" option. Was than an auto-battle option? If so, did it work. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.
Yeah, its just pretty basic, you select a party strategy and then a few actions each character will priortize, usually each characters default is good and you can interrupt to give a specific command when necessary
Autobattle works pretty well for non-boss fights especially if you take the time to go in and customize the logic it uses for each character in the "Battle Plan" menu. I do recommend setting it to fight without using MP as a partywide strategy though, or you'll find yourself without MP for bosses. Just stock up on healing items for them to use to heal you instead of using healing magic, for regular fights on auto.
@@foozlesprite Better to set it to fight without using items, this way you don't have a super rare healing item used when 1 character gets hit. Happened to me after a boss fight and I had to reset to the save before the boss and fight it again so I didn't lose that super nice rare healing item.
I'll say this as a DIE-HARD SUIKODEN FAN. play the game an have fun with it, don't rush it. I'm at 120 hours deep. Just enjoying I'm not even at the arc past getting Marisa yet. Garoo just joined me
Thanks for the review, appreciate it. I loved Suikoden 1-3 and have been waiting for this one. A little bit worried tho because Im obsessed with Unicorn Overlord atm and not sure if Eiyuden will stack up well against UO. That being said I’m still gonna grab it lol
Suikoden was always a hit or miss for me but this looks pretty good. I love all the different cultures and how the town grows and all the mini games. Thank you sir.
Some of the town/base-building reminds me a bit of Chained Echoes. But overall this looks like something I'll definitely play eventually. Last weekend I just finished the main story for Eiyuden Chronicle: Rising (just left with post-main-story missions), which is such a fun and entertaining game. Also, sadly I never finished Suikoden 2 :'(
So glad it's finally out, I've been waiting on a new Suikoden for so many years (thanks Konami :( ), this is absolutely the next best thing. I think my favorite war battle system came from Suiko 2 and 3. Three just felt like you were really in it and if i remember correctly the game rewarded you for beating some of the harder scenarios that otherwise you lose due to story.
I wanted to get this on switch but I’ve learned my lesson to wait. I’ve heard they’ve been patching some of the issues but I’m gonna hold off for a bit. Maybe a few months since I’ve got a backlog rn! But once through that I wanna play it.
As a fan of Suikoden, I am extremely excited to try this game out. Probably going to pick it up over summer break!
Wtf is suikoden
@@Astreon123 It was an old RPG series. I played it on the Playstation One, but it may have appeared on other systems as well.
It was honestly one of the best PS1 rpgs I had the chance to play! Highly recommend!
Love your review. Very good in details. Between this and playing Octopath Traveler I don't know, I feel JRPG can improve so much but devs are scare to try. Hell Yakuza Like a Dragon does it very well but I want the old classic fantasy theme. Anyway, GOOD JOB!! 👏
If Victor, Flick and Luc are here... my head's gonna explode :)
i'll probably eventually look to pick this one up and play it, simply because of the aestetic. i absolutely love the look. pulled off in spades in a remake of my favourite jprg of all time, Star Ocean The Second Story R. that game is incredible and i doubt anything will top it for me, but this game looks fun
10x for the free content frequent and professional . Another like from me
after 40 hours of eggfoot breeding and races I might actually have to start playing this game. sounds like it might be fun as well :D
I like the "Attendants" so you can bring plot important characters with you. Without ruining your preferred squad. I always run the same 6 characters. Only switching them out if a stronger new companion shows up. I'm surprised how deep the characters backstories are despite not using most of them.
125 hours in and still trying to get everything to 100 percent (well, or at least get every achievement/trophy).
It is definitely not a perfect game, but I love it and as a backer I am very happy.
I will get an EC tattoo on monday.
I grew up on suikoden and it’s probably my favorite rpg franchise. I don’t game as much these days, but eiyuden is ok. I agree with practically everything you said. Characters could use more development and it needs more modernization. Like, I forgot how tedious games like this can be. For me, I’d love the modernized older ff games with a 2x speed option
I loved Suikoden so I guess I'll have to pick this up.
I started the game on gamepass. I'm glad I didn't buy it. It's not a bad game, but there is a moment when you have to stop being an hommage and you try to get some personality. And it seems from that review that the game will have little of it. I'm still going to have some fun. For a moment!
Anyway, great review, as always.
This is how you do it. Finished the game and then review it. People like RGT85 will play an hour as soon as the game releases and then hurry up and make a video about it trying to be the first person uploading one. How the f*** can you review a game that you played a couple hours of?
Bunch of old losers is what they are, they collect trinkets instead of playing games
I shouldn't have high hope, but damn. Maybe I should wait for it to go on sale or something.
Nice. I poo-poo’d jrpgs for years. I played Legend of Heroes Trails form Sky and it changed my mind. I don’t love that whole series… but that game got me to try other jrpgs. I seem to favor the look and gameplay of older jrpgs. Playing Dragon Quest 1 now on switch… it’s awesome. A couple things you described about combat might have me hold on this one… hmmm. Do like the visuals. Thanks
The good thing about the dragon quest series is they keep it relatively old school even with the modern games. Dragon quest 11 s can even be played either 3d or old school 2d lol.
@@Stickman0660 I do like dq 11… one thing I like with old games is less hand holding… have to work for it a bit more, lol
Daaaang. You are good. I started playing a week before the embargo ended and im still not at 100% keep up the good work
Great review. I think that most of the negs/downsides/nitpicks were mechanics or features from the older Suikoden games, which is fine with me 😊
watched the review liked it getting the game tomorow thx. thumbs up
Thanks for playing this.
Just a random fact technically its not a castle by the end its a citadel which is a castle that is attached to a town with a wall around it
Very thorough review.
For me, getting Hogan has been a pain but otherwise I've had a blast playing this game.
I love the art style and how fun it looks just overall. Managing that many characters sounds like a nightmare though, but I understand that its kinda in the name lol. Something I'll take a look at a later date. Too many games on deck to drop $50 on a game I realistically can't get to before the end of the year.
Awesome, thank you
Just mind blowing how your able to finish these games
I don't know why people generally have problems with inventory preparation in RPGs.
I think that's one of the most interesting parts.
"We don't end up fighting god" that makes me laugh so hard!🤣
I don't know what Jrpgs have with the "killing god" thing, but it sure is refreshing to not deal with this trope sometimes.
Bro, how doesn't the mouse coursor in the middle of your game screen bug you?
Impressive that you 100% this already.
Thanks for making this video MG! I have a question: When are you going to do Star Ocean: The Second Story R? It’s one of the best remakes in gaming history and arguably the best in the entire series!
I genuinely enjoyed the game, despite the localization issues.
I will say that most of the physical skill runes were quite lackluster and the magical runes were predictable in their uses. As you’ve mentioned, it was very “this is the right answer” associated with them.
Hated the beigoma mini-game, though…
Fun Fact: Ni No Kuni II is another game with Suikoden-like mechanics (base building & recruiting for your base). It was not as well-received as the first game, but overall gameplay was generally well-received compared to the first game.
step 1; get dijkstra
step 2; warcry every turn.
step 3; win
"We don't end up fighting god"
Thank god. No pun intended, it's just too predictable of a trope for JRPGs.
Thanks for the review, I'm probably holding off buying it since I'm somewhat busy atm and I have other games I want to go through first.
Mortissssmallllll yaaaaaa!!!!
Thought it was Alchemy Meister after glancing at the thumbnail
Never played Jrpg, I think this might be the one :P, ty!
Oh good review, I want to warn that while I love it, this game is still buggy on Switch and prone to soft locking on load screens at the castle (of which there are many). Sadly I've had to shelf this otherwise fantastic game in hopes that they will soon have a fix for this issue. I've just lost too much progress too many times even after being aware of this bug and saving at every opportunity. It's a shame because I was really getting into it and worrying about the game freezing really fights against that immersion. Fingers crossed for a fix!
great review!
One of my gripes is hero combos being abysmal to the exception of a few i found. I dunno why normal attacking is nearly better in 100% of the cases.
Hope they fix this in the sequel coz no point using combos if they suck.
2 slot characters need to be buffed too. No point losing 2 chars to one.
Think an extra support slot would be nice too. Most of the time you'll use Cassandra and never use the others. Also the support skills should say they are chance based to trigger. It's not 100%.
Good review. The game looks fun, even if not without some issues. You make the comparison to classic Final Fantasy games but also acknowledge that the game is more specifically modelled after Suikoden. Much of what you note about the game is stuff that you already know if you have played some of the old Suikoden titles. Did you play any Suikoden titles? The game seems geared to recreate the classic Suikoden experience and whether the game works ultimately or not will likely be whether it succeeds in appealing to Suikoden series fans or brings new fans into the series.
Based on a bunch of the reviews i think this one is going to be on my emulation/wait for a big sale list. Still think ill have fun with it though
"Schtolteheim Reinbach" 😂😂😂 missed him a lot here
solid review
There is game breaking bug that wont let me continue the story. Late in game after i talk to seign on top of the castle . Then u have to talk to euma. It says on current goal you cant get to sleep. Try taking a walk. But in game its day light and nothing progresses the story. At all. I have no backup saves.
You had to have had an auto save.
While not perfect, far, far from some half-assed, nostalgia-bait RPG. Yeah, the stuff you pointed out can annoy or bug some people, but overall these are minor when compared to the finished game. Plus, we still got that DLC & sequels to look forward to.
If you like the game, I believe Konomi is releasing remasters of Suikoden 1 & 2 pretty soon. Solid games assuming the remasters dont get butchered somehow
appreciated
I really dislike the battle system as well, how you have to choose all of your moves at once, kinda turned me off to the game overall. Once again excellent review, I know where I'll be going anytime I want to see a detailed and honest review from now on.