This Aircraft almost CRASHED TWICE! | Among the worst I have seen.
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I rarely get surprised and angry when I read an accident report but this one goes beyond almost anything else I have seen. In this video we will get to witness two MAJOR incidents happen to the same crew during the same day. It is a little known story that should get much more attention and it is a lesson for any young First officer out there to SPEAK UP.
This is the terrifying story of Royal Air Maroc Express 439, stay tuned.
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References:
Fly with Magnar on the same accident: • Second from disaster -...
Circuit Breakers: @flyer.co.uk
www.simpit.de/a320dim/a320co12...
Report in English: www.skybrary.aero/index.php/A...
RAM Express: @Maarten Visser
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
RAM: @pointstobemade.com
pointstobemade.com/wp-content...
VOR Beacon: @NATS
i2.wp.com/nats.aero/blog/wp-c...
Dive and Drive: @faasafety.gov
www.faasafety.gov/files/gslac...
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00:00: Intro
01:02 - Chapter 1: FLIGHT OVERVIEW
03:11 - Chapter 2: PRE-FLIGHT BRIEFING
04:48 - Chapter 3: FIRST WARNINGS
06:00 - Chapter 4: INCIDENT ONE
10:13 - Chapter 5: THE SECOND LEG
11:18 - Chapter 6: THE THIRD LEG
15:48 - Chapter 7: STABILIZED APPROACHES
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12:34 but *zoom* -i liked that ^^
Just a suggestion: Would you consider doing an analysis of the impact of using "counterfeit" parts in routine maintenance ?
Some documentary mentioned that even Air Force One had such parts installed.
funny title, lolz
I love your information. Thank you
Captain: Yea we did hit a bird. A seagull to be precise. He was sitting on the water when we hit him.
Underrated comment
Lol, does a flying fish count as a bird?
Jajajaja!!!
Allahu Akbar overrides everything.
Investigators: damn! That is one big ass bird you hit. Are you sure it wasn’t a flying dinosaur?
"Tower, we're in go-around."
"Why?"
"Bird strike."
"At what elevation?"
"Sea level."
" ..... what?"
" ..... It was a VERY tall bird, to be fair."
Or maybe a fish, a flying fish, probably...
"It was an Albatross, Sir."
"They don't live in this part of the world!"
"Must be a rogue."
"A what?! Possible pilot deviation, please write down the follwing number."
Pilot: “Tower we hit a pelican”
Tower: “What altitude?”
Pilot: “twenty feet”
Tower: “feet?”
Pilot: “No tower, depth.”
🤣
Truly underrated comment
yep, when you start measuring altitude in fathoms you got a problem!!!!
"Tower, we've had a fish strike"
at least it didnt implode
"Terrain ahead. PULL UP."
"Ugh jeez that again? Turn that off it's annoying. I can't concentrate on trying to touch the water like this."
Can't say the pilot didn't monitor the water. He had a real close look and even took a sample.
took a h20 sample and you can bet your ass that mr captain dude did not see the water surface prior to or even after the double impact. And then ppl wonder why pilots are treated like idiots and modern a/c end up being built with redundancy to the point of ludicrous which (to a greater or lesser degree) caused the two 737 max crashes - not to mention the absolutely bewildering number of rules and regs for airline type ops, which after a point become unmanageable..
@@DaveyCrockett001 True. It’s why eventually passenger planes will probably consist of one combo onboard engineer/“pilot” and then a remote pilot once the public becomes acclimated with pilot less flights.
haha just as well he took a sample and not a huge drink...
@@thomasturner7111 He was just thirsty. And we all know, when you are thirsty you gotta drink 😂
Very thorough and hands on
First Officer's actual flying abilities seem to have been pretty good, he managed to not crash it even after it bounced off the water and the captain retracted the flaps on him. The captain, I wouldn't leave in charge of a bicycle.
FO certainly showed promise by staying calm and keeping plane under control.
As for "captain" he shouldn't be allowed to be captain of anything but child's bark boat.
Then maybe the FO should become a stunt pilot, but I wouldn't ever wanna leave passengers in his care again.
@@Huntracony I'd fly with the FO in charge. But not with a crew that had the captain in it.
@@cr10001 Well, we agree on the captain.
@@Huntracony :)
As a commercial pilot flying the 767, one of my biggest fears is impacting a dragon from Lord of the Rings. Thank you for highlighting this truly terrifying prospect. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please don't. Those are my kids.
The Moroccan royal family should remove their title from this airline. The "captain" should be relegated to handling bikes in a parking lot.
First officer put on fast track to captain but with extended CRM training so he knows when to assert.
That actually made me lol. Hilarious.😂😂😂 Watch out for dragons, and may all your flights be blessed safe landings.
Lmao. I hope one day you’re my pilot. 👏💯🤣✈️
@@warriorprincessharmonyLMAO 👏👏🙌🤣
What's scary is that if the plane hadn't hit the water, there wouldn't be any damage to the plane and the Captain would have in all likelihood gotten away with violating procedures.
And then do it again but this time, he gets everyone onboard killed
Absolutely…you’re so right. And it’s scary knowing that there are some rogue, smart-ass pilots out there.
And that’s why I believe he has done this often…every time there’s fog like this. He definitely had the confidence to do it all in sequence.
Then, he tells FO that he’ll be watching for something (I forgot) and the water. The water! Yeah, he has gotten away with it a few times, until this. And since he was as cocky as this, then who knows how else he has trusted his own ideas more than all of aviation’s years of safety knowledge.
I have such disrespect for people in such important positions with people’s lives in their hands and they brush off all the highest of best practices as being bloody inconvenient. I sure hope he couldn’t keep his pilot license anymore.
And worse he was in the process of training other pilots.
Which would have meant he would have done it again and again because, "It worked before. We don't need no stinknin' minima."
And it wasn't the first time either. What an absolute moron. Risking so many innocent lives.
This captain seriously drilled all of his own holes in the swiss cheese. He’s all about efficiency- determined to get to the accident site as quickly as possible!
Underrated comment
Lmfao very underrated
Bloody brilliant.
😂😂😂
Great comment!!! I've known some of them pilots
The most sinister aspect of this situation is basically listening to the senior captain teaching the junior captain to cheat the system. He is actually grooming the junior captain to be monstrously unsafe.
Indeed.
This guy was a “senior training captain”, which leads me to wonder about the safety culture at that entire airline.
Agreed. In one thing I do not agree with Mentour's comments: when checking that damage list to see if they were allowed to fly without that system, if you are allowed to fly without that system functional, then you can opt to shut it off.. Not a big deal in itself in a normal flight, just one of the swiss cheese slices.
@@chrisknestrick374 The Wikipedia list of bad airlines by reputation should list that below pakistan and korea for that abortion alone (unless you know a better one.)
And a cadet.
If he felt comfortable enough to make an unsteady approach with a cadet in the cockpit, Imagine how many times he's done that before something went wrong.
This guy is not just a captain, but a 'senior' training captain for this airline. If he is giving the birds to all the rules and guidelines, his student pilots will happily learn from the "best".
I mean... it's Morocco. I don't see many people clamouring to fly with the north African airlines.
Yet 0 accidents. Not so much for wetesrn airlines
@@yassinebenryan2814 not true... while this one was a near miss, there were other incidents including one plane crashed killing everyone on board.
@@Meandaddy if you refer to the 1994 accident. that's a suicide case.
@@Mr.McWatson Very Inbred 💀 Royal air Maroc has 0 crashes
"Hey, remember that annoying thing that said 'pull up' when we came within 30 feet of the sea? We gotta turn that off, right?"
Right.😮
ROFL, I Giggled pretty good on your wording!
"I hate having sensor information! My eyes and ears are all I need, like God/Allah/FSM intended"
@@Ninjalectual Love your choice of the "superior beings" ;)
@@1987slither bleh, Allah is Arabic for "The God", allegedly the god of Abraham.
Looked more to me like Poseidon was the god involved in this debacle. Well, that or Koalemos, the minor god of stupidity.
It is very difficult to go against authority. I'm a nurse, and was asked to lift a patient in a particular way I knew would be harmful; I didn't. I was asked to leave whilst they got someone else who would do it. I was bright red and sweating with both fear or embarrassment at the idea this could selfishly affect my career. Wrestling with the flight controls is like wrestling with a colleague across a patient.
You meet many bullies and authoritarian cretins in one's life. Today I don't take any bull**** from anybody.
Good for you Sir.
Good point. Experienced things like that myself. It is very hard to find a way that does'nt involve victimizing or becoming a victim. That's why good CRM is so important - and airlines with safety cultures that don't ever compromise.
shoot i tell doctors to go to hell all the time... and they actually respect me now but you gotta know your stuff if your gonna do that
@@calculator1841 Now I'm offended, POLICE!!!!!
@@calculator1841 What was that all about? 🤔
Original message to ground was probably "We had a fish strike." But it was lost in translation.
bruh ;D
Lmaooo
Underrated
"Bird strike"/"perch strike"....eh, potato/tomato
Lol😂
The fact that even the smallest flaw can bring down a plane flown by the best pilots, it's incredible that this plane bounced twice on water and still managed to fly away and land, despite the best efforts of the Captain.
That's the thing though. Petter keeps mentioning in many of his videos the Swiss Cheese model. There's a lot of redundancy, both in the aircraft's systems and with the pilots themselves to ensure that disasters don't happen. Many times the redundancies prevent the upset from happening (or from being more than just turbulence with a possibility of grounding the aircraft for engineering to take a look), in some cases the redundancies fail to stop the problem from manifesting but still some component saves the day so that you get shaken crew and passengers with at most minor injuries, very rarely single digit deaths, and in increasingly rare cases all of these fail and you get fatalities in bulk (a significant portion or all of the people aboard).
The little aircraft that could. Well done whoever built the plane - I cant believe it held together like that!
😂😂😂😂😂despite the captains best efforts
But by the Grace of God! 🙏🏼
It's like the universe was doing it's darndest to counteract the lethal disregard of that captain.
When he kept saying “we will never know what they were thinking” - it convinced me everyone died
Maybe everyone died a little bit inside
was also direct my thinking, but now wonder on such videos.
turns out he meant they were so mind meltingly dumb that attempting to understand them was an excersize is futility.
Well, perhaps now their logistical planning will be much simpler: “Price check in aisle 6!”
I thought he die too
The senior pilot had an “ ego” problem, he trains people. In his mind he’s never wrong and he’s a liar! Every profession has some of this personality and they are dangerous in transportation, medicine etc. this wasn’t the first time he flew by his “rules”.
I work in thermoforming (big machines that temperature form plastic, and cut/stack said product) and I witnessed a trainer start a cutting jig with fingers overlapping the blade to show how safe the machines are. He now smokes prerolled cigarettes, and can only count to 7 on his hands. Kept his job for a further year though!
I work in thermoforming (big machines that temperature form plastic, and cut/stack said product) and I witnessed a trainer start a cutting jig with fingers overlapping the blade to show how safe the machines are. He now smokes prerolled cigarettes, and can only count to 7 on his hands. Kept his job for a further year though!
I had a person like this when I was doing yard switching in a truck. He was not a manager. But acted arrogant and dangerously thinking he could do no wrong
@@UHK-Reaper To be fair to the first officer, though I agree he should have spoken up, he had been at that job for only a year and the captain was an experienced training captain. There's a lot here that could play on not speaking up to someone you feel knows better than you do. (and, hopefully not though, sometimes internal company unspoken politics plays into this. If they're being slapped on the wrist for costly go around, they are more likely to follow this kind of instruction from someone who clearly was used to doing it this way.) I really hope that Pilot lost his license.
@@froggybangbang Yeah, the fact that the Cpt was a trainer, and the FO was as young as he was, makes it even more important to adhere to SOP's. He basically told the FO just "do what you like".
He should be given a broom, and set to swipe the runways for the rest of his life.
I admit, I’m completely and utterly shocked that they survived the incident. It wasn’t long into the video when I started expecting a total loss of both life and airframe. But it’s also one of those cases where I wonder what the captain was thinking. I kinda feel bad for the first officer. I understand how hard it can be to resist the orders of the ranks above you.
Be careful whom you promote
Yeah it would have been very hard considering it was their senior trainer.
3.2G... also called Ryanairs smoothest landing :D
This guy flies Ryanair btw
@@floridiantoiletsandcompute9449 hence he must accept the Ryanair banter in good spirits 😂
I feel like Ryanair is the final boss of aviation. Where pilots go to run the gauntlet and flex lol
None of this sounds to me like this was the first time the captain broke the rules. He has probably been on the slippery slope of bending the rules more and more for years. Makes me wonder how many close calls there have been before.
I think you are right.
That's often what happens when work related accidents occur. People sit at the same machine every day for years, start taking one small shortcut only to end up thinking they know how it all works and start bending the major safety rules. Of course they can do it, because they're so experienced...
@@Wexexx Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten...
So what do you do when you've tried three airports and have a fuel emergency? Sounds like this guy has a talent that would come in handy under the right circumstances. However, these were not those circumstances. You can probably tell that I haven't done IFR training yet, and I suppose this would be covered.
@@davidlark3408 I am curious about this also. what would the procedures be in this case?
I’m wondering how this captain managed to live 61 years and survive 13,000 flying hours ...
Automation and luck 🍀
Errors in judgement can occur at any point in a person's life. The problem started way back at the first landing where the hard terrain warning had gone off and was not dealt with correctly. Then both officers agreed to perform more additional unapproved actions that placed both into an unfamiliar situation.
This probably wasn't the first time the captain has operated outside approved procedures. Both officers should be terminated having shown a lack of critical thinking ability. One accident is one too many.
I suspect he lied about both
Larger turbine based jets are probably more forgiving and have more failsafes I would think.
That the question i asked to me
I used to watch old Mayday episodes when Discovery was actually good, and it made me pretty afraid to fly. I really like how you go into a bit (or sometimes a lot) of detail about whatever instruments or concepts are important to the moment in the accident; it makes me a lot more comfortable knowing how many failsafes you have to blow past before you run into real trouble in a modern passenger jet. That swiss cheese model is a really great visual.
true, but still doesn t make me want to fly.
Hi from Allberta Canada. As a Captain piloting a Q4000 I am shocked at this whole mess so happy there was no loss of life. Kudos to the ATR product for withstanding such a violent impact and still landed. Lets hope all of the pilots for that company received retraining.
Great posting we watch your channel in our down time.
Richard, you have an awesome career! !!
I've seen many reckless things in air crash investigations but when this captain decided to switch off the "inconvenience" that is the GPWS my mouth was just wide open.
I don’t know a single thing about planes but when he explained what the button was for, even I knew it shouldn’t be turned off
Don't need to open mouth wide to type.
pilot deserved to be demoted to trash duty at the airport.... holy frick!
@@rhettshipley4593 I have no mouth and I must scream.
Not kidding here. I actually rewound the video a bit to listen to it again because I was half convinced that I had misheard. And I’m still surprised that such an important warning system could be manually turned off.
While I do get my virtual aircraft barking warnings at me in Microsoft Flight Simulator it’s usually complaining about the Glide Slope or minumums but even those aren’t as common as they once were. Only once I got the terrain pull up warning. And once I did the terrain escape manoeuvre and landed my virtual 738 max 8 I noped on out of there and didn’t play again for a couple days. I didn’t enjoy it.
"Bird strike"...The Maroc Air Captain equivalent of "a dog ate my homework".
Flying fish, more like!
"We had a bird strike" They land, inspect and see no bird remains, but lots of fish bodies.
It would've made more sense if he said they had a fish strike.
It was a seal obvious . The seal ate my homework
@@luckygamer05 🤣👍👌
I've seen this 'abuse' of procedures when descending over water in my career. Some pilots think they're being clever, creative or situationally aware by eroding safety margins because 'we're descending over water' without any regard for the surrounding terrain. The worst was when I saw a crew discussing an IMC descent below MSA in Geneva 'because we're over water' without realising the lake is NOT at sea level, resulting in a hard GPWS warning and hairy terrain escape manoeuvre resulting in 180ft terrain clearance during the escape. Stupid, stupid and dangerous.
Good grief, I hope this was a long time ago & they got reamed out in an ensuing inspection! Thanks for the story 🙏🏻
@@ConverseMidas luckily (if you can call it that) this was during simulator training. Yes, they were reamed out
@@alanp805 incredible stuff haha
I’m actually curious what happened to the cadet after witnessing this whole debacle - did he still pursue his career with the airline?
the same question I was wondering about (and maybe the passengers too ; )
No he went out and bought a lottery ticket. Set for life.
@@Turkrypty And probably a fresh set of underwear too!
I know for a fact that he went home and washed out his underwear...
He ignored it learning what not to do. He's probably a better pilot now. Some of the worst trainees turn out to be the boss or straighten up and fly right and do well. I've worked for 43 years and have seen all kinds of varying behavior on different jobs. Unbelievable. Retired now and watching tons of videos. Mostly aviation.
That crew made their own holes in the Swiss cheese.
That’s a great way of saying it.. I wish I would have thought of that
So technically you can say they cut the cheese 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They drilled right through the cheese with a 5000 RPM drill;
They were on a vendetta against cheese. They took the cheese, put it through a blender, set it on fire, and then shot it a couple times before driving a tank over it for good measure.
@@eleeyah4757 They then decided that destroying the cheese wasn't enough; only launching the cheese into interstellar space could suffice. Unfortunately, the rocket carrying the cheese exploded on the launch pad because they thought that they could overfill the liquid fuel tanks for good measure.
This is not a bird strike, this is s fish strike!
Love this... people on the ground must have figured that out fast once they saw the underbelly of the aircraft 😅 "... bird strike... eh?"
@@lili11.11 it was totally a bird strike. Bird was like 30 feet long, made out of steel.
Pilot: I was giving the passengers a beautiful view of the lake, when a whale jumped 400 feet in the air and hit us.
@@danielaramburo7648 the FAA sitting in court... "you know what, that sounds about right" 🤣
Shark strike
These captains have stimulators to try out and play with while trying their crazy ideas but instead they chose to try them when flying real planes with innocent passengers on board 😳
That statement of "don't worry i will watch the waters blabla" is enough to show you how some don't care and it's like as if they're doing a try and error thing and see if they will succeed ☹️
Stimulators should never be used when flying. Could explain some of the decisions though!
We had a dumb dude in the Air Force. He hung on the door of a C141 and swung out on it shouting Geronimo. The door burst out of the hook latch above and came down on his head. He fell down the steps and needed 26 stitches in his crown. He has a brother who was a cop so I guess he talked his way out of trouble. 3 months later we were holding up a wooden crate containing a new wing without ailerons yet and I was called away so the boss a vet. MSGT told him to hold my end when I left. There were 10 of us standing against the crate balancing it and fixing to have the forklift bring it to the plane. I walked away 20 seconds and he dropped the end I had been holding and the crate fell over unto 4 of the guys. One got foot injury another knee etc. There's one in every crowd . He was not popular in shop. I don't know if he kept up his shenanigans afterwards. I went on night shift with more mature mechanics. I could not tolerate such horseplay and I'm a pretty big prankster but not when it will hurt someone.
Did these captains use their wives "stimulators" lol😁
Your students are blessed to have you, being a pilot maybe a job but above all its ur passion. I think classes need to be done in this format/ approach. It makes the one more attentive and intrigued
I see this all the time in the aviation industry, senior pilots thinking that they are gods gift and that they cannot ever possibly be wrong or inferior in any way. Seniority is worshipped so much in the aviation industry that it’s a constant battle to remind younger pilots about crm and speaking out against dangerous behaviour. The first officer was actually pretty competent at flying the thing making sure that the captains flap retraction didn’t stall the aircraft. Shame he went along with all the captains blatant disregard for official procedures.
There might not be any old, bold, pilots, but there are still some old, less competent, pilots.
@@DanEBoyd My point is that one of the most important measures of competence is how respectful you are of crew less senior to yourself.
The first officer suggested to turn off the ground proximity warning, that's terrible.
Fj Fj Well the captain agreed to his suggestion, it makes perfect sense in the context that the idiotic crew thought it was completely fine to bust minimums and to descend to and fly 40ft above the sea for a couple of miles until they reach the runway. It works great, until it doesn’t.
We should not ignore the organic age-related facets in favor of a personality assessment. It may very wel be that these older “curmudgeon” pilots are display symptoms of early onset dementia. Just sayin’. I’m not fully aware of all of the components of a “flight physical”, however it is imperative that higher cognitive abilities MUST be regularly assessed and deficits carefully screened for.
Can’t imagine how this Captain was a trainer with such a wreckless disregard for safety. Thanks for another great analysis.
He was also a trainer for the ISIS flight school.
@@minicoopertn Haha those are the ones not so interested in safe landings yes.
Reckless, yes. Wreckless, by the skin of his teeth!!!
Do you remember the Smartwings incident not so long ago where captain that was in charge of safety procedures for the airline flew thousands kilometers with one failed engine? It's possible that this was similar kind of "I know better".
Another option is that it was case of "normalization of deviance" - it is possible that this particular airport has very often low overcast so the pilots normalized over time that they "slightly" bend the rules if they want to land.
But that's just a layman's opinion.
That question seems to come up far more frequently than you might hope for.
That’s one heck of a “bird strike!”
This is what you get for striking a diving swan
Not wrong if it's a duck!
more like fish strike
He thought he was coming in at Esgaroth Airport and he failed to maintain proper separation from Smaug
Petter, I flew twice in 1984….from Georgia to Florida and back for a family emergency. I haven’t flown again, initially because I started a very demanding job, but after 9/11, I had a horrific fear of getting off terra firma. I’ve been hooked on your channels since my first viewing. You have helped me to face my fears by learning about aviation and, although I probably won’t ever get the chance to fly again, I believe I could get on a plane if you were the pilot. 😊
Why not get a ticket somewhere and go for a flight? It's safer now than ever before.
Well, Petter works for Ryanair. And I could probably find out where he’s based and figure out where he flies.
Mentour and 74 Gear are my faves. I think it does help to have at least a rudimentary understanding of aviation. I’ve had a full on panic attack on a very old commercial jet from the 60s or 70s. I don’t fly Un1ted anymore, old planes like that, or 737 Max 800s. I don’t know if they are still in use?… I hope not. More phobias added to my list.
well, after 9/11 you should be afraid of your government, not flying
@@AngelsanddevilsDo you mean the 737-Max-8? The naming is odd, there is a -Max-8 and a -800(which BTW, has a great safety record).
*Broken gears and ripped underbelly*
Investigator: "Oh I thought you said it was a bird strike"
Captain: "Uh I mean a very chonky penguin when I was monitoring the water. You see, they are technically a bird, so..."
"It was a particularly viscous bird, what can I say?"
It was penguins, they're birds after all)
The shark jumped out of the water to 500 feet and hit us!!!!
A little bit of duct tape and it looks like new
"The 1st Officer was in charge of the aircraft. I was taking a nap."
The senior flight instructor for Morocco airlines teaching all the other pilots, "...and remember, when you hit the ocean, make sure to tell everyone that it was a bird strike."
I was aircrew on EC-121s (Lockheed Constellation). The one time the pilot let me sit in the jump seat for a landing (I was a radar scope operator) as we were coming into Keflavik NAS in Iceland, in heavy fog, I will never forget hearing him say "If anyone sees the runway, sing out !". I don't know if he was messing with me or not because we landed safely about 30seconds after that.
I suspect he was serious. If (somehow) you'd got off course in IMC, and you saw the runway (or an obstacle) where '"it can't be" - the pilot needs to you to say instantly. An extra pair of eyes that aren't used to this just might spot something - and he gave you permission to report it.
His dream as a child was to be a captain
Unfortunately it was to be a captain of a ship
Wow
"This warning was a bit untimely" LOL!
I remember in some video interview pilot of IIlyushin army cargo aircraft said - "You must not try to search ground during landing. If you eager to see the ground during landing - you'll get it, you'll get your mouth full with it!"
Reminds me of what is taught during road racing (car and bike). If a guy goes off the track, don't stare at him or you will follow the same path. Look only at where you need to go.
@@randolfo1265 same if you ride a bike and not look where you want to go
Sorry not teaching people to suck eggs with obvious things but capped up in two words simply "Target fixation"
@@randolfo1265 Yup it's called target fixation. Source: I am fully certified in Gran Turismo.
"Hey, this thing keeps beeping to alert us that we're going to hit the ground at 300 mph. What should we do?" "Oh, that's annoying, let's turn it off"
Yeah….
Ross TheNinja
'let's turn it OFF' not 'let's turn it off'
You are not yet knowledgeable nor fluent in the English language to know the difference.
therein lies a a fundamental problem.
The greater majority of people, meaning YOU and many pilots, beLIEve that 'small' things
do not make a significant difference. Partly because they are 'mentally lazy' and not observant
of protocols.
Take notice of switch markings and CORPORATE names.
They are in the ALL CAPS.
ON OFF -not- on off (Yes there is in fact a difference in meaning between them)
As there is also a difference in meaning between Someone and Somebody --
Even Mentour Pilot does not have a clue as to the difference.
CORPORATE Names BOEING not Boeing TOYOTA not Toyota SAMSUNG not Samsung
explaining the reasons will take too long. Are you getting it yet?
However, had you been observant and not following Sheeple practice you would have noticed
these things.
Now you are at your 'Learning Point' Learn these things, and escape the ignorance.
You need a Ninja Brain to be mentally fit to learn and understand these things and be competent.
You are not Ninja yet. You just grasshopper.
COMMENT REFERENCE: Ross TheNinja.2021053111840
@@andrew_koala2974 ......are you on drugs ?
@@andrew_koala2974 "You are not yet knowledgeable nor..." or "Neither you are knowledgeable nor...”.
"therein" or "Therein"?
"a a fundamental"? Oops...
The ALL CAPS or all caps?
Oh I think you missed a period (.) at the end of one of your statements.
It's okay...even you will learn over time as everyone does. 🙂
@@andrew_koala2974 What the heck are you on? Practically non of what you wrote makes any sense.
Even if you were correct and you are not, it is very rude, belittling and aggressive to berate people for small errors in their written or spoken English, especially so if the person in question is a non native speaker.
My English isn’t perfect and I’m a reasonably educated native speaker. I also have a disability that effects my eye sight, working memory and vocabulary selection, some thing you would have no idea about by just reading my words. Things like that are more common than you could ever know.
I don’t even know why I am being polite enough to point all this out to given you spouted a load of rubbish and lost any possible ever high ground with the use of the ‘slang word’ ‘sheeple’.
What the heck would the cadet, cabin crew and passengers have been thinking ? Big shout out for the ATR aircraft for hauling out of the water and landing safely, despite the damage.
For someone like myself, with little knowledge of the inner workings of the cockpit gauges and dials, you make it interesting and understandable. I appreciate that very much. Thank you for your very informative videos.
Standing up from someone with authority is hard. I had this episode this sunday at my local airfield. I am an relativelly inexperienced young glider pilot. The weather conditions weren't the best, the thermals were weak, unsteady and narrow, and there was a medium-strong north wind. I was flying a glider with not the best glide ratio, so I had to be extra carefull not to get carreid away where I couldn't make it to the airfield. I released the towline about 600 meters AGL, the thermal I had fizzled out, I started losing altitude. Depending on my conditions and location I started determining at what altitude to abort and go land (about 300 meters). When I started reaching that, one guy flying above me started urging me to follow him because he had a thermal. I didn't get it, and I reached my abort altitude, thus I turned into circuit to go in to land. He was still trying to urge me to follow him, I didn't listen, continued my circuit and landed safelly. Towplane pilot gave me some advices regarding soaring, I got towed up again, and then soared out. Yeah, I might have lost couple of euros on extra tow, but at least I didn't get planted in the nearby trees. Always plan out abort scenarios and when to initiate them. that's my two cents.
It's always a matter of age, I guess. I did a life guard training at age 40, everyone else was 20. Some of them wore goggles in the water and the trainers sharply told them to loose those. Although we weren't actually training in that moment, everyone quickly obeyed. I of course didn't because I'm a grown up and nobody (legally) gets to give me commands. Afterwards the (beautiful) 20somethings always asked me what to do ;-) If you get older, in my experience, you come to be more stable in your decision making and learn how to handle different situations. Also, of course, you learn that life is ultimately flawed and nothing matters anyway ;-)
@@wassollderscheiss33
What was the purpose of losing the goggles?
@@mballer Probally due to the possibly of them fogging over or water getting trapped in it. Still would prefer goggles over no goggles especially when trying to save someone in the open water with waves.
@@dragonace119
I was assuming it would be for training in worst possible real life situations.
Looks like he was there for the admiration of the girls.
@@mballer Most likely.
What gets me about this case and, for example, the Smartwings 1125 single engine flight is that the captains involved were high hours pilots. It's inconceivable that they suddenly decided, after years of responsible flying, to become rule-breakers - they must have pushed their luck and cut corners many times before. Also, these are not long historical cases but recent. This makes me question how effective even current-day procedures are at filtering out these pilots.
I think a risk with such high fly hours is also, that you tend to overestimate yourself because you have so much experience and think you can handle any situation. Maybe he started in his later carrier more and more to break rules without any issues, but then came this totally new issue for him.
@@Hoto74 Yes, I think this is a very real issue. I remember talking to an ex Royal Navy commander who said accidents in the Navy were not infrequently attributed to familiarity - experienced personnel who were so familiar with the equipment and procedure they effectively ignored check-lists or other safety procedures (he cited a case of an electrician who had been killed by tripping the wrong circuit-breaker and who then omitted the required test that the circuit he was working on was dead and was electrocuted). While this may be understandable where only our own life is at risk, such corner-cutting is not acceptable when others lives are at stake.
I would see it the other way around. I would double check all those hours of his because id assume there be a loooot of hidden causes/reasons for a permanent pilot licence revoking
@@bodymaker16 : You might find that he transferred from the parent carrier to the local subsidurary airline because the parent company didn't want any more of his risky flying.
Colin, Exactly - people don't suddenly go stupid. You do indeed get incompetent fools rising above their level of incompetence. Often its because a) they tell lies about what has happened in previous incidents and in their CV, b) blaming subordinates, and c) they are skilled in sucking up to their superiors and telling superiors what the superiors want to hear.
Watching my way through the older videos, i just wanted to note how much you improved. The overall video quality, the quality of the animations and explanations and even the entertainment factor went up with every other video over the past year. Or, well, in the order im watching them i guess it goes down, like some of these planes.
Anyways, keep up the amazing work! Some of your currently latest videos have been my favorites out of all i watched so far.
That captain is nuts and the first officer too meek
I've heard this before when the pilots are from a very authoritarian "respect your elders" type culture, the elder pilot messes up and the younger one is too worried about being disrespectful to react properly.
This is like the swiss cheese model except the crew took a drillpress to the cheese
Yep, pretty much
Shot at it with a machine gun...
Award winning comment for clarity and succinctness. You, sir, hit the target right in the bullseye.
Or perhaps a hydraulic press. 🤔
Ate the cheese.
This reminds me of what an aviator from the US navy said about events and investigations like this: (paraphrasing) "We do not call them accidents, because nothing happens by accident. There are mishaps caused by deliberate actions and choices". And boy did the crew on this flight make the wrong choices and took the wrong actions.
Ward Carrol? Just watched his video about the F-14 "mishap".
And he is correct. This bordered on criminal misconduct.
@@Gregorius421 - yes
@@randyogburn2498 Crews have been taken to court for less. Far less in fact.
Terrible replies here. We refer to accidents as traffic crashes even when there is no traffic and no one else involved.
This story is crazy! The Capt. seemed to do whatever he wanted. Hard to believe this really happened, mind blown!!!
oh shit!!!!
Thanks Captain for this amazing breakdown of the incident, our media outlets never covered the incident, thank you for creating so much amazing content.
"Reason for go-around?" "Ahhhhh, dragon strike."
Uh. We uh struck... “ something”
🤣🤣
What’s SpaceX doing in their airspace? the nerve!
@@Relkond Exploding, lol!
We did not go too low. The sea level came too high.
One of the first things they teach you when obtaining a seaplane rating is that it’s nearly impossible to accurately judge your altitude from the water by looking down at it, especially when it’s relatively calm and you can’t see the shore.
You have to watch your altitude, pick a spot on shore if you can see it. And wait in landing configuration for the aircraft to touch down.
Obviously the Captain never flew a seaplane, not intentionally anyway.
The other way is open a window and hold your arm out with a cup in hand and scoop some H2O up.
@@bunzeebear2973 I just hang my dong out the window, whenever the tip starts touching water I know I got a few more yards.
All planes are seaplanes
-that captain, probably
I am just learning to fly. The hardest thing during landing is not being able to judge how high my altitude is from the Runway. Can't imagine how it feels to not know where the water is under you! Meanwhile, my very experienced husband can land like we gently dropped down on a big pillow. Jealous.
@@patriot20000 First-world problems 🙄🙄👌🏻👌🏻
During my working life I often flew on "dubious" carriers, to equally sketchy locations. My "favourite" African carrier is DHALLO. After flying these types of carriers frequently, regular PAX develop a "knowledge" or "feeling" of what SHOULD be happening.
Frequently, PAX know when things are at the edge, in fact I have been on flights where PAX have called out "Let's Do It Again" when they thought the risk was to high.
On one occasion the Captain called out "Vote Whether To Go Round". Needless to say the PAX all voted for "Do It Again".
Unfortunately, with modern technology and newer aircraft, these days are over, just as the exciting landings at the old Ellinikon (aka Hellinikon) (Greek: Ελληνικόν]) International Airport (downtown) were worth a surcharge on the ticket price.
A vote on whether to go around is the wildest aviation anecdote I've ever heard haha. Incredible
Another great video that has another good moral to the story. DO NOT disregard proper official approach procedures! Always do the right thing, and always be professional and take it seriously. Thanks for this really excellent video!
To be fair, their bird did strike the ocean.
lmao
Lol
These are the comments I came here for.... may people like you live forever! :)
@@blubb9004 300 movie reference here
That is one strong plane. Well built. I also believe that the FO was the one who saved the plane, fighting against the captain's inputs.
Uh, it was his allowing the captain to dictate the flight conditions, against ALL the specific prohibitions, that got them into the situation in the first place.
@@gordowg1wg145 how does an FO "allow a Captain to dictate flight conditions." Thanks for being "uh" rude and contrite about a 4 month old comment... I bet you're real fun at parties...
@@cameronbooker445
By not refusing the Captain's commant to fly below the minimum height - thought that would have been obvious, even to you...
Not sure how you got "rude", and certainly not "contrite", from what I wrote - perhaps if you went to the trouble of learning what those words actually mean, it would make you more popular, perhaps even invited to parties, yourself.
Heck if you thought the earlier, or even this, response is "rude", you've had a VERY sheltered upbringing - home schooled or some sort of "christian" school, perhaps?
Uh (!), you DO realise you made the second post in this "4 month old" thread?
So, who has the most crashed planes per km. SAS or this company? The only thing that matters...
@@gordowg1wg145 Standing up to a person in authority, especially when you're young and inexperienced yourself, is a lot harder than most people think. I don't fault the First Officer.
Being fired was probably not the worst thing the captain deserved. Amazing the plane bounced off the water twice and was still able to fly off!
That was insane! I've never heard of this story! Thank you for your great channel and for the insightful videos!
Flight attendant: In the unlikely event of a water landing...
Captain: Hold my tea!
A landing involves land. As the name says. So it’d be a “watering”. Or a “controlled flight into Neptune’s arms”.
Also, if you ever are in a flying boat, chances are that a water touchdown is preferable.
In this case probably: Captain; Hold my Crack!
@@advorak8529 Planes in the sea don't surprise me...
Now if I ever see a sub in the air... Especially if it's coming my direction... I'm prepared to adjust that position (and mine)
mint tea *
@@MadScientist267 If you take whatever the pilot had in his tea, you might see a sub in the air. (most likely a yellow one)
I really hope the captain lost his job, and also his license. I hope the first officer received the necessary retraining to do his job as effectively as possible.
I hope the first officer did as well. He should have stood up to the pilot more instead of being so complacent.
@Schlomo Baconberg sheeple conformity to be more blunt.
I hope both lost their licenses and the captain was charged with criminal negligence or whatever the Moroccan equivalent is.
@Schlomo Baconberg Yes. When indoors in public I choose to wear a mask despite it not being required.
@Schlomo Baconberg if you don't wear a mask when in public indoor spaces, it's because you're a sociopath. You're surely too old for effective psychiatric treatment, so it would be best for everyone if you took the old-fashioned approach and became a hermit and lived in a cave with no Internet access.
I appreciate that you tell powerful stories and teach with plenty of suspence and clarity without danger music.
This content is excellent for aviation safety geeks. Great insight/analysis and explanation from a skilled pilots perpective. An improvement on my usual "go to" for aviation incidents, the overly dramatic "air crash investigation" series . Keep up the great content 👏 👏 ( & i can only imagine how many labourious hours it must take to create one of these episodes!!!...how on earth do you manage to be a full time training captain aswell!!)
It’s amazing that everyone survived but I’m happy the plane had holes in it so the captain couldn’t have take off again. If there hadn’t been something outwardly wrong he might have gotten away with it.
I get your sentiment but "glad there are holes"... It's rather easy to overlook the idea that there is a *REALLY* fine line between how this came out and total disaster. Water is very unforgiving when something is moving with any velocity... It's more forgiving than the ground which is why the thing didn't just flat out bite it... But also allows parts to "gouge in", potentially making the situation that much more dangerous... For example could have mangled the gear making the landing interesting at best... Who knows what all could have come of that.
Better to be glad everyone got off the plane safely (and the pilot got his ass kicked in a few ways) than celebrate structural considerations that simply prevent him from doing it again but threatened everyone's life on board.
@@MadScientist267 my thoughts were that if there wasn’t something outwardly wrong with the plane that the pilot would have lied causing it to go back into service.
@@carschmn Understood
Yeh I get your idea. If he hadn’t damaged the plane he woulda kept flying, probably ending in fatalities. I’m so happy that everyone was ok
It's bad isn't it that you need to wish for a plane to he damaged 😬 But totally agree. A forth landing might have killed people
I stumbled on your channel accidentally but found myself sucked in with a keen interest and have watched at least 20 videos. I really enjoy what you do and wanted to express a sincere thank you. You have excellent content!
Same!!
Same here, but now ive been freaking myself out because next month, me and my family are going on our first flight!!! To make matters worse, im pretty sure that im scared of heights
In the exact same boat, so weird! It's like I don't know how I lived my life without these videos now 😆
@@chrisshankles4094 i fly a lot & watch these all the time. They don't scare you. They make you more aware. Fly away.
You do not recognize height in the plane. As long as you don't walk out on the wing in flight. I was a plane mechanic and walked on the wings often tail too 54 feet up.
Thank you for the most fantastic aviation reports, your aviation knowledge and investigations into situations you report on are truly important to all us aviators! Best channel by far… thank you! Regards Brett
Hell of a first officer, really saved the day.
After keeping his mouth shut until the day needed saving. Obviously, he is not the bigger retard of the two, but he absolutely is to blame for this situation and should be fired too
No, he is only marginally less culpable than the moron captain. First Officer should have rejected the whole crackpot scheme from word one.
And FO suggested to turn off GPWS. That is criminally stupid.
How do we know on our next flight that we don't have morons like this at the wheel??
That ATR is one tough bird.
Oh! About the ATR72. I had flown it for 7 years. Many thanks, Petter. Watching it with a great passion for your job👍✈️
Great! I hope I make it justice.
Thanks for a nice live earlier, it was great to participate!
@@MentourPilot ✈️🤘
@@MentourPilot We sometimes also set the GPWS to OFF on ATR😅. But for the other reason... We flown to very small airports that were not even in FMS database, so it called "Tarrain Pull up" all the time. But the main thing is to be visual first 😉.
@@PilotBlogDenys There happened a major crash in Indonesia back in 2014 where an ATR 42-300 of Trigana Air Service ended up in a controlled flight into terrain because the pilots switched off the GPWS because they´ve gotten too much wrong alarms.
Nuisance warnings are in a way worse than not having the safety system. They distract you with an alert that you condition yourself to ignore.
Thank you for your ultra-detailed breakdown.
I'm on the edge of my seat when watching your videos. Well done!
34:44 "Dragon from The Lord of the Rings" 😂😂😂😂😂
Crossair had a cowboy pilot too, Hans Ulrich Lutz. Despite several serious breaches of rules Lutz was never sacked. On his last trip he produced a controlled flight into terrain. The crash killed 23 of the 33 people onboard.
I read up on this pilot and the crash. From what I can conclude…. This pilot in this incident… didn’t get fired.
Airline policy…. Let fate karma fire reckless pilots.
@Smoke 003723
Yep. Crossair was a cowboy airline.
I was on a flight from Hamburg to Zurich when one of the two engines failed. The pilot did not land at the nearest airport, as required by the rules, but continued to Zurich.
@@MR-intel cant imagine the horror bro
@@MR-intel That is one dedicated airline.
@@vorpalinferno9711 pilot-"ladies and gents please exercise some patience, we're attaching a hang glider to the roof so we can get this bird to it's destination.. Thank you for flying with crossair and yolo"
I believe it’s obviously that this has been common practice for this Captain to not comply with operational procedures especially when it comes to (MDA). I think the statement: “I’ll keep an eye on the water” speaks for itself; he was used to this. Unfortunately, there were probably other aircrew members who experienced this with the Captain, but kept quiet; therefore, the issue was never addressed until this incident. Fortunately and miraculously no one was injured or killed. As always, thank you for the well done, professional video breakdown.
Something worth noting, the recovery from water impact also may have been enabled by the use of turboprop engines, depending on how commercial aviation turboprops work. It seems the copilot inputted TOGA thrust only moments before impact, and here a special advantage of turboprops could have been critical. Turbofans need to spool up in order to generate increased thrust, and this spool up can take some time due to the rotational inertia of turbine engines. Turboprops, however, can adjust the pitch angle of their prop blades to instantly increase thrust with absolutely no spooling time. They do this by essentially manipulating the angle of attack vs lift graph, with the prop blades as the airfoil and their lift being forward thrust. Maybe this allowed them to already be at their full max TOGA thrust as they were impacting the water, when a jet would have still been spooling up, below maximum thrust and unable to pull them out of the bouncing impacts.
Definitely think that was a critical factor.
These are really excellent videos, Petter! I love it how you assume that your audience can grasp this very technical material. When I make videos, i often struggle trying to figure out who the audience is, and knowing what they know. Really superb! 🙏🙇❤️
fiddling with the altitude like my dad adjusting the car's climate control.. too hot, set it to 14, now too cold, set it to 30, now too hot...
This captain is a bit like my dad, when i "tried" to teach him keyboard shortcuts for some pc commands... He was accusing me with braking the pc, in the end when he was proved wrong, he said or did nothing because he did not want to admit that he could be proven wrong.
I still prefer the old-fashioned knobs or levers for car climate control, without any temperature display. Unlike altitude in a plane, I don't really care what the inside temperature of the car is. I only care if I'm too warm or too cold, or if the windshield is starting to fog up or not.
Made me smile. My dad does on or off. Cold and hot can not mix in his mind.
While hangar flying last year with several of my fellow GA and Commercial/airline pilots, my good friend Dale, who flew in the Airlines and still flies a Cessna Skywagon, was regaling us with his GA exploits in the Skywagon. After hearing some of the things he had gotten away with, another pilot asked, “how did you get to be an old pilot?”
Why is it that every Seasoned aviator with stories to tell known as Hangar Flying is named Dale?🤔🥴👨✈️
Mechanics… flight instructors … fuel monkeys.. all around the country, seem to be named Dale!
@@General5USA In the AT world, all pilots are called Nigel.
Tell him he's a moron and threaten to out him
There was a commercial pilot who wrote a book about his time as an instructor. It was hillarious and all the non ga obsessed people cheeres it. I read it and was horrified. That company should have been put out of business and a lot of pilots should have lost their cfi
@@cdreid9999i’m pretty sure i know what your talking about, and i’d love to know some of the things that you found wrong with it. i’ve never read it myself but that was my exs FAVORITE book, so naturally i want to know all the inaccuracies lol.😂
Petter-
This was an absolutely outstanding explanation of top quality content!
I learn something every time I watch your videos.
Thank you for being the professional that you are!
Excellent break down of the situation and the thinking. Love the background as well. Very accurate
The whole time I thought it was just a cargo plane. My jaw dropped to the floor at the very end when you said there was also 52 passengers
Imagine being in the cabin when the plane hits the sea.
@@MsJubjubbird In Austria they would have said: Hoppala.
I thought it was a training flight. Wouldn't trust the senior pilot with a flying carpet.
Some time ago I was driving on the highway with my mother and missed the exit because we were unfamiliar with the area.
A few meters in front of the exit she noticed it and wanted me to quickly switch the lane and try to take the exit last second.
Because I have been watching aviation accident reports i just calmly replied "too late" and kept driving in the wrong direction. (In essence executing the road equivalent of a go around)
She just smugly said "I could have made it!" (Implying she is a better driver because she has more experience)
My response: "and exactly that is the reason I am a better driver than you"
This pilot must have had a similar state of mind as my mother and people like that unfortunately are hard to change.
So your videos are really valuable even outside of the aviation community!
Thank you for that!
Could you please do a video about proper CRM and how to overcome such steep "authority slopes" in case of emergencies?
For example the PIC is about to crash the plane and too stubborn to listen to reason.
Good call. Beeing an air traffic controller, that's about exactly the way I (try to) behave on the highway. No one thanks you for cutting corners.
There's an entire subreddit filled with auto accidents and crashes caused by people who "thought they could make that..."
@@LayneBenofsky Interesting... what is it called?
I am a truck driver, literally a professional driver, and you are absolutely correct: if you don't know that you are about to miss your exit then you certainly aren't paying attention to what other vehicles are around you so trying to take it at the last second can easily get you killed.
When giving my son driving lessons, I was very clear -- "aviate before you navigate" -- last minute "oops" decisions cause a lot of car accidents. It's a lot faster to turn around down the road than to deal with an accident.
I have only just found your channel today and I find your videos absolutely fascinating Thank you for sharing your obviously immense knowledge with us all.
Sir, you have me addicted to Mentour Aviation! Love your presentations and style and, I'm learning a hell of a lot!🎉
I once flew with Royal Brunei. Instead of giving safety instructions they played a recorded prayer asking for a safe flight.
Seriously?
It is mind boggling that when flying our lives could end up in the hands of such clowns.
I didn't realize Africa had cowboys.
I fly. Never done anything this dumb. My cessna depends on me and not computers. I always like to be firmly on the safety side of things.
Only if you put yours hands in mohammad’s hands! Piss Be Upon him
Piloting requires a lot of honesty and conscience. If you are not that person be callous in some other field. You must be a people person to respect not resent your public. You must be compassionate like nurses.
don't be afraid of the plane you're on, be afraid of its pilots
you’ve definitely earned a sub! you explained this so well, your knowledge is awesome; thanks for sharing it with the rest of us
One of the best and informative uploads to date.....thank you.
I have a Norwegian colleague who used to be a first officer with Royal Air Maroc on the 737. The stories he has told me about arrogant captains, drunk captains and in general, captains that had no clue how to execute good CRM, let alone tell what it was, were frightening. So much luck keep these airplanes flying, its insane.
I wonder if becoming an airline pilot is really a good idea or not precisely for that reason:
Authoritarian and/or abusive captains.
Yes the captain is the boss onboard the plane but the first officer is also qualified to fly the plane and is required to speak up and or take over if the captain is wrong. But the captain can have such an ego that he's basically "never wrong" and sometimes unfortunately it ends up with a deadly crash in addition to an unpleasant experience for the co-pilot or F/O.
@@psirvent8 both should have equal control mentality and they need a babysitter watching over them
@@psirvent8 Most Western airlines include extensive psychological testing at a very early stage of pilot selection. The RAF does even more testing than that.
The Lufthansa captain who flew his 747 into the other 747 in Tenerife is a good example of bad CRM.
@@petergersbach7355 He was a KLM-captain. But yes, good example indeed!
I would love to know how often it has emerged that flight crews have fought over the controls. Scary stuff.
I am binge watching all your aviation videos and I am GLUED TO MY SCREEN. it's incredible using the cheese theory (or something similar) how you can spot the similarities in your aviation narrations of incidences/mistake made by pilots
You are soo amazing! I am watching all of your videos! hehehee (clear voice, detailed exciting stories, super knowledgeable)
The way you narrated this I was certain no one survived. The plane saved the day. Even with substandard pilots it helped the passengers survive.
Have been as an assistant pilot,my earlier days training at the naval sail training. Do you also know how to fly too🙄🙄
Yeah, for once, a video where no one dies
I worked 45 years in the Power industry, in my early career I was building and commissioning very large steam turbine generators (600MW +). During commissioning we deliberately exceeded operational alarm and trip limits (temperature gradients giving increased differential expansion - this can lead to large rotor moving parts (3000rpm) making contact with stationary parts). We only did this with actual build clearances available on the opening desk so we knew exactly what clearances we had to ensure the equipment was safe for operators to run within alarm and trip limits. Unfortunately some of the customers operators we like this captain and would run through limits rather than tripping the machine and going for a restart, I remember one night shift entering the control room and seeing the operator driving far beyond trip limits to the point you could see on shaft vibration charts he had metal/metal contact, he had to trip the unit, it seized up in run down and took about a week to free it up, the operator destroyed the charts from the chart recorders and claimed a trip from normal operating conditions. Every industry has these idiots
The difference between the Royal Air Maroc accident and your example from the electrical utility industry is that the generator shaft failure, while costly is not likely to produce mass human fatalities, so the consequences of ignoring rules and common sense in the airline industry are potentially catastrophic, not just expensive. Did I overstate the obvious? Probably not, otherwise airlines wouldn't have thick operations and flight manuals, copious training, evaluation, and repetitive regular checkrides!
@@bearowen5480 I guess you have never seen the aftermath of a failure of a large steam turbine generator, while not mass loss of life there can be multiple fatalities. O&M manuals for a power plant looks like a small library.
@@bearowen5480 People on at-home life support systems die from power outages
@@GoogleDoesEvil....but no in mass casualties like an Air disaster. Let's not permit the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I'm not sure if it's true or just an old sparkies tale but I was once told a story about one of the switchroom workers at the Old power station for Bradford city (early 1900's I'd guess)- Apparently he was told to re make a contact before they'd cleared the short - he pumped it , fired it in and there was an almighty bang and flash- and all that was left of him was a shadow on a wall apparently...
I love how you explain everything in detail and what is normal so we understand what happened
Reminds me of a story my uncle told me while working in Papua New Guinea a while back. Coming into approach on an airstrip, the pilot couldn't figure his altitude above the tree tops, so he casually opens the door to have a look out below where the trees are 🫣
The airflow would prevent you from opening a cabin door in flight, even at 50 knots, a speed likely below stall speed for most aircraft on P-NG operations.
What I like about your accident investigation series:
1. You present the facts in a way that can be understood without a background in aviation or engineering.
2. You're not overly dramatic. (The facts are sufficiently dramatic on their own.)
3. The sections are timestamped (even the sponsorship).
If I could offer a bit of constructive criticism: when you move the mouse quickly to show different parts of the cockpit, it can be a bit hard on viewers who are sensitive to jerky camera movements.
"Just water" yeah friendly reminder that at aircraft crash speeds the water is effectively as hard as concrete. The water is incompressible you see, so unless it can physically get out of the way it just becomes pressurized, and at a certain speed the contact pressure becomes the same as when hitting a solid wall. Same reason bullets can't go through water.
*for long.
I agree, but not 100%, the record for jumping into water is 60 meters, I don't think anyone could land safetly on land higher the 6 meters, because water can move.
@@santopino2546 this was a good opp to dig up the old high school newtonian physics equations. v^2 = u^2 +2ad.
But u (starting speed) woudl be zero so v^=2ad. Allowing for a bit of wind resistance I'll call a = 9 m/s^2. that gives v at impact as about 60 mph. that's obviously v approximate but given terminal velocity for 80kg adult is about 150 mph, it's 40% of that speed and I guess is close to the limit before water becomes "concrete". I think wind resistance might be a lot more than that though, so that v at impact might be only 30 to 40 mph, I'm too lazy/busy to try to work it out more accurately.
I’m pretty sure landing on land in th middle of nowhere is better that water, crashing is the same story.
@@sambolivar167
That is very impressive, thanks. I would think that those guys don't dive straight down until the last second, using their bodies to catch whatever air friction they can or they might get hurt.
Man your videos are great and you do an amazing job making things simple and easy to understand!