Boeing 737 flies Through a BRICK WALL!
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On the 12th of October, 2018 a very serious tail strike accident happened under unusual circumstances to Air India Express flight 611. In this video I will explain what happened and the reasoning behind it.
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00:00 - Intro
00:31 - Chapter 1: Flight Overview
01:13 - Chapter 2: First Sector
01:46 - Chapter 3: Takeoff Performance
02:36 - Chapter 4: Takeoff Procedure
03:35 - Chapter 5: Autothrottle
04:50 - Chapter 6: Takeoff
07:15 - Chapter 7: Something Isn't Right
08:11 - Chapter 8: Control Tower is Concerned
09:42 - Chapter 9: Flight 611 is Informed
11:59 - Chapter 10: What Has Actually Happened?
14:08 - Chapter 11: Flight Crew Gets Nervous
15:59 - Chapter 12: Destination Mumbai
18:27 - Chapter 13: Investigations Underway
19:41 - Chapter 14: The Recliner
21:29 - Final Chapter: The Crew
22:53 - Outro
Fun fact:
The captain of that plane was actually nominated for ”Most laid back pilot of the year”.
I heard he's a back-breaking hard working guy
lol
He is truly someone you can lean on
Oh, c'mon! This are a bunch of flat jokes.
Actually or as a joke?
737-800: resilient enough to crash its gear through a wall and make it back safely. Also the 737-800: over-tightened screw on recliner almost crashes the plane.
Nah I honestly don't know how the the pilot didn't realize he pulled back the throttles
Fun fact: the pilot seat are made in britain...
@@RoBert-ix6ev Looking at the seat mechanism, i'm shocked that such a flimsy and POS mechanism is what keeps the chair up. It's absolutely garbage. Even a freaking Lada chair has a better reclining mechanism...
@@aserta yeah,well,it is what it is...
There is no checklist for the pilot seat ?
Imagine the passengers feeling after having a 4 hour flight from Mumbai to Mumbai
LOL
This. Is. Brilliant. 😂😂
at least it wasn't to heaven :) but the joke was f*cking hilarious 😂😂😂😂
It wasn’t Mumbai to Mumbai.
@@ashwinchippagiri9976 it was a joke 🤷😂
Anyone else obsessed with Peter's dog? At first I thought it was a plush toy. It's implausibly cute.
I had to go back and check to see if it was a security pillow..
I wasn't sure if it was a plush. Thanks for clarifying.
I love this dog!
Boeing's new sales pitch: You can fly our planes through antennas and a mother effin brick wall and they will still hold together.
Lmao you should go tell that to the 346 souls that got murdered cause of Boeings MCAS.. Oklahoma city bombing only killed 168 people... Boeings MCAS doubled the body count with no bomb. hahahaha
@@Brian01987 not sure why you think death is funny but you're off base on your blame. Boeing could have done better but competent pilots would have saved those aircraft. Also, Airbus has had at least 7 software related crashes that killed all on board.
Boeing: ..however, pilot seat may fold back unexpectedly.
@@toemblem NAILED IT! The Indonesian flight crew NEVER should have left the ground.
PS Do you have info on the Airbus software crashes? Thanks!
@@Brian01987 You should do some research before commenting.
Tower: "Get back here, we need your insurance info."
Flight: "Ah, all operations normal."
they use Tower insurance no doubt.
It's a tank, not a pane! Good day sir!
*shoots radio* It was a boring conversation anyhow.
Typical responses from Indians
@@Crazy--Clown sounds kinda racist to me
I am working as lead cabin crew for an Indian Airlines, I watch your videos thoroughly,it just makes me take my job seriously. I really admire how you make the investigation sound so fascinating,it's engaging. Happy landings Captain.
Would love to fly with you someday and maybe even share appreciation for how awesome mentour pilot's videos are (I might be watching his vids to pass the time!) I have always adored flying since I was a little kid and loved meeting the pilots and flight attendants, I've even been given pins and little toy airplanes as a kid I guess because I charmed the crew 😅 Mentour Pilot has inspired me to pursue getting my own wings again as well, a dream I had as a youngster but forgot about due to lack of money at a younger age and the mundanities of life. Happy landings!
Indian Airlines? Deliberate attempt to not name Air India?
@@sahl8806maybe they don’t work for Air India but one of the various other Indian airlines like Vistara, IndiGo, Spice jet….
@@sahl8806maybe they don’t work for Air India but rather one of the various other Indian airlines like Vistara, IndiGo, Spice Jet…
I think flight attendants have extremely difficult jobs, and we don't give you enough respect. You are servers, bartenders, dealing with unruly passengers in the worst possible environment, watching for potential threats, and simultaneously, you are responsible for our lives. As a former bartender on the ground, I can't imagine doing that 1 job in the air, especially when you don't know how much people have been drinking at the airport. Then there are the people who yell at you at the airport because yelling at the person responsible for your flight, seating, and safety is a great idea? I fly often, I'm always SO kind to the cabin crew and typically bring a small gift or just a card. I often get free drinks and better seating for being a lovely passenger, but it's not why I do it. It's respect. People are tired jerks to you guys. A simple, written, " Thank you for what you do," is always met with so much appreciation by the cabin crew. You clearly just don't hear it enough. So, THANK YOU for what you do!
At last I figured out what happened to the walls of our airport at Trichy 😂. Glad that the crew and passengers were safe❤
I love it how peacefully your dogs behave while discussing drama.
Don't you love how they have the same hair color? Well, they say people look like their dogs.
@@cantfindmykeys lol
I thought it was a plush toy until it blinked.
Since dogs respond very sensitively to human emotions, that indicates Peter is super calm himself. Definitely a good sign for a pilot.
As cool as this vid is, the dog is still the coolest part. Thanks for including him! We are lucky to have them...
I worked as a mechanic of bush planes in northern ontario (Canada) for several years. One time I took a flight in one of our 206's on floats to recover another of our planes that was stuck at a remote lake due to a mechanical problem.
As we accelerated down the lake for takeoff, I noticed that the pilot had placed his left hand on the strengthening bars that crossed the windshield. I noticed that the paint was worn away from him holding onto it.
I commented about how he had taken his hand off the throttle and grabbed the bar. He told me that he did it every takeoff. Many years earlier he was on takeoff and the seat rolled back on the seat rails. That didn't result in a crash, but it scared him so badly that he always grabbed onto something solid for every takeoff.
Yep, it’s a nasty thing to happen
@@MentourPilot What would happen if the pilot falling backwards jolted the stick left or right? Would the controls respond too quickly for the copilot to adjust back so the plane would pull off the runway?
Bush pilot working from experience. Cessna seat tracks are notorious for letting go after long time in service. The new replacements are much better.
@@N0d4chi "Jolting" the yoke sideways wouldn't likely do much (when the seat collapses you pull back, you don't turn the yoke), plus the plane was still too slow for the ailerons to have much effect. However, he definitely could lose yaw control because his feet lost position on the rudder pedals which control turning of the plane while still on the ground.
Otherwise - pull the yoke with you backwards -> yank the plane into the air at too low airspeed, stall, spin, crash and die. Or if you get lucky then you only lose yaw control while still on the ground and run the plane off the runway, most likely hitting something.
Lot of general aviation accidents happened because of this (seat either collapsing or shifting backwards) and checking that the seat is secure is in most general aviation plane pre-flight checklists for this reason.
@@N0d4chi Yoke inputs left or right wouldn’t do much at that point. Had he fallen back and stepped on a pedal, then the plane could have gone off the runway left or right.
What I find amazing is the landing gear, even after hitting the wall & wrapping wire around itself, it continued to function...not only for a test after they knew it hit the wall, but on the final landing it worked as well...amazing!
Yeah tbh I do t think that the f-18s landing gear would have survived that
Also, the debris from hitting the wall was still stuck on the gear AFTER landing.
Could have been a disaster if landing gear had been compromised and failed.
@@deeffourjay5632 Yeah, it's one of those cases where "it could always be worse" applies.
Honestly I am very impressed with the structural integrity of that plane. 10/10 to the manufacturing and assembly teams 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I'm glad this one ended happily, it could have been so much worse. ATC was very helpful in telling the pilots quickly what had happened, so it's surprising that they didn't turn back straight away. I wonder if the pilots were disciplined for this. Also wonder if the plane was repaired or had to be written off.
The aircraft was repaired and is still doing flights
VT-AYD is currently still active with Air India Express
@@crypton7572 what’s the name of it so I can make sure I never go on it
@@AC-li2pj Thats one durable plane, good for another wall or two
@@fastst1 lmao 🤣
Back in flight school my instructors were adamant about having me check that the seat was fixed and secured as part of the Before Takeoff checklist. I was so amused by the fact that something so simple could cause a crash that it always stayed in my mind and not a single flight went by where I didn't give my seat a decent thrashing before takeoff.
That is part of commercial truck driving, you have to get in and physically inspect the seatbelt, seat and steering wheel (windows, tires etc also of course!) There is NO EXCUSE for the seat back error, imho. Perhaps these two know to check it now, hopefully?
“A decent thrashing” how you worded that and the mental image in my head of a pilot jumping around in his chair makes this hilarious. Imagine what that would look like if someone were outside looking in 🤣🤣
@@anjhindul I remember when I worked as a security guard for a distribution center right at the end of my shift one of the truckers was going home and offered me a lift, when we went to the parked truck he sat in his seat and started rattling the half open window up and down, tugging hard on the seat belt and tugging hard on the steering wheel. Made me laugh at the time and didn't even bother asking why he did, now it connected in my head and makes sense. If those fail while he's driving 100kmph down the highway it could cause him to crash.
@@KDu400 It brought up a scene from the tv series Fawlty Towers. "Right, I'm going to give you a damn good thrashing!" Looks left and right and comes back with a tree branch to hit his unreliable and now non-starting car.
@@anjhindul Unfortunately those are hard to test in airplanes. The seat is smashed between the side of the aircraft and the center console. You'd need to lie on the ground with a mirror to see it.
Your story reminds me of a flight I had. I was the co-pilot on a 747 ( i think it was a 747F but not sure) A three man crew, pilot, co-pilot
and a flight engineer. We were leaving Narita at night. The taxiway that leads onto the runway is a very gentle curve so that when your
finally on runway heading during the takeoff your going about 60 kts. On the three man 747 the pilot flying sets t/o pwr announces
take off thrust and has his hand on the throttles while the engineer also sets the power and monitors the engines
The Capt I was flying with was a short pudgy guy who never stopped talking. During the rolling takeoff the Capt`s seat came loose from
the seat track lock and rolled back and outboard. (On this model 747 the capts seat track after coming straight back about 18 inches
it then curves left and moves about 8 inches outboard while continuing back. ) WE must have been doing 120/130 kts. I looked over and the capt was waving his little arms and legs but couldn`t reach any of the controls. I took the controls and continued the t/o. After we got up
into the air and I had retracted the gear and was working on raising the flaps the engineer pushed the back of the capt`s seat with his left foot and the capt rejoined us. He sputtered why didn`t you do do do something? I told him that I was busy flying the aircraft. The shut him
up for quite a while. I had not thought of that for over 30 years. Good times.
Bahahaha ❤️❤️❤️
Lol, I guess the plane was like shut up and stop talking and just removed him from the area, lol. 😂
OMG, I am trying to imagine your F/E keeping the captains seat upright with his left foot and I just can't :-D
Weird
Always Aviate, Navigate and then Communicate. In that order
I couldn't help but laugh at the dramatic intro of the pilot's seat falling back. Usually it begins with engine fire, or loss of control or something else gravely serious. The seat falling backwards felt almost like a comedy skit :D
Cessna had this problem about 20-30 years ago, somebody crashed and suffered serious burns after his seat slid back on takeoff. It was some insanely large lawsuit, many tens of millions. That’s why the checklist spells out checking the seat is locked prior to take off. Since hearing that story, I’ve always been diligent about that step
When I was learning to fly in a Cessa, about 25 years ago, it was a common and well known issue.
Typically before engine start, and before takeoff we'd ensure seat rail, and recline (if applicable) were locked firmly.
Usually if not locked, the seat would only slide back a little before locking into the stop, and not full aft, but still enough to startle the pilot.
The was locking device in place at rails
As soon as I was informed that the aircraft broke a wall, I would return straight to the airport. I wouldn't even need the checklist to know to do that, and I am not even a pilot.
Absolutely ! Seems they didn't know about a tail strike check list. You would think they would have read (not necessarily learned !) all the emergency check lists before even getting into the aircraft. If they had done this they would have known about that particular check list !
I mean you aren't a pilot so that would explain why you wouldn't pay any heed to a checklist or know about air traffic.
@FlyFartherYeah, I agree they should have returned, but after a couple hours into the flight, I do not understand the instruction to land at a MORE DISTANT airport than the destination airport.
@@josfielden8622
@@thewaywardwind548 Either a delay in company awareness of their location, more complete mechanical facilities at chosen destination, or company (vs contract) mechanical facilities at chosen destination. The last two reveal a cost-safety analysis that shows the company in an extremely bad light.
So relieved that the outcome wasn’t catastrophic.
Yep, me to!
Focusing on the Captain recovering his seat for a moment. I am extremely uncomfortable with his decision to retake the controls at that point. The First Officer has the control and there is no way to know if the seat issue is going to happen again. The Captain should in my opinion have continued as pilot monitoring and should have scanned all flight instrument settings to confirm they were set as intended. I think he actually put the flight at risk by retaking control when he did.
Maybe. But it was the FO's incompetence that really put the flight at risk.
Yeah, I thought the story was going to end up being that the seat problem happened again, because that’s what I’d expect it to be likely to do. Can’t understand why he took the controls either.
v1 what did u want he do ?
@@dl1027 Although either pilot should have spotted it, I think it's the captain that has more of the blame. He should have re-checked the things he grabbed on the way down after he got up. If I got it correctly, FO only had control for about 5 seconds.
Ehhh.. you can be "extremely uncomfortable" with the Captain retaking controls all you like, but IMHO, that's not THE main issue.
The biggest issue is that the pilots didn't follow the checklist for a tail strike.
Had the strike been a bit more forceful, they could have had an explosive decompression and fallen to earth. They never should have climbed up to a flight level.
It's a simple three-step checklist, but it boils down to this: If there is a tail strike, don't keep flying; land right away. Simple.
I was in the cattle section on a DC-9 years ago, awaiting departure. Time came and went, and the boarding door and cockpit door are still open. Finally, the lead flight attendant informs us the pilot's seat won't lock in position so we cannot depart. At the time, it was irritating, but rules are rules. I have no idea what the problem was, but we eventually had to disembark and move to another aircraft. It still amazes me the seat was that messed up a mechanic couldn't fix it in over half an hour.
I don't know how I ended up on your channel but I watch it every night. Your delivery of this is SO fascinating. Love your detail and you make something that could be so complex much simpler! Who ever thought I would be watching this!! You are amazing!
So happy to have you here. Welcome to the channel!
@ Mariah
Same here. Very informative, and exceedingly fascinating
@@MentourPilot I love your videos! They are always done so well and so informative! You always do such an amazing job and I really enjoy watching your videos. Also, your little dog is so cute! I just love her! What kind of pup is she?
I swear to God I thought it was a stuffed animal bear in his lap in the beginning and never even gave it another look until I read your comment 🤣🤣🤣
@@cokesmocker39 Haha! Yeah she’s so well behaved and a tiny little thing 😊
Your dog is like: "it's OK human, I'll be here when you talk to yourself.."
Alternate doggo thought bubble: "I wish he loved me as much as he loved that video camera."
At first, I thought puppy was a teddy bear!
I didn't realize it was a real dog! Lol
Patxi would have landed immediately.
@@imlistening1137
It's actually a puppy bear - half dog half fluffy toy. :D
My husband is playing flight simulator, I m watching these videos so I can understand better. I love your channel! I especially love the avoided disasters, so much to learn without the sadness of lost lives.
This is probably the most bizzarre incident I’ve ever heard of. Apart from the Captain being sucked out of the window, perhaps.
Glad everyone was ok.
I worked on a military airfield years ago, tons of F16s all day every day. I took some of the electricians out to the north end to figure out why an ILS antenna wasnt working. It was designed with a shear pin to allow it to fall in an impact. We were sitting there trying to figure out if one of the mowers hit it, or if someone backed into it with a truck when I looked at the top horizontal antennas. They all had a tire mark. Measurements matched up with an F16 tire. He had to have tapped it so lightly that he didnt even know.
I call bullshit. How does an F16 not get up in the air until the end of the runway? A B737 is somewhat understandable if power is not at full, but for an F16? Even at half power, an F16 would get up in the air quicker than a B737 could with full power.
@@6z0 It happened on landing.
@@6z0 I was totally agreeing your comment , , , , , until I read Kenneth's response, , , , , Lol , a runway has two ends, hey? , , , doh
@@carolineleach7689 no shit it makes more sense, but thats not really relevant to this specific story and he could have specified it was on landing.
@@6z0 For some reason while reading the og comment I just assumed it happened on landing, but upon re-reading I realize Kenneth never actually specified it
Other channels cover air crash investigations as well, but I feel what really sets this channel apart is the level of care taken to educate us about expected or normal processes and basics of aviation. That way we can completely understand what went wrong and can fully comprehend the analysis and conclusions from the investigation. This means I not only learn what happened in this specific case, but can also apply that understanding to other situations. This has demystified air crashes for me and has given me so much more appreciation for the expertise and professionalism of flight crew.
I credit this educational emphasis for keeping the conversation in the comments largely positive, as well-instead of the toxic environment that unfortunately permeates most RUclips comments sections. I’m grateful for the content of the videos and for the team’s efforts in creating a welcoming and positive community.
Wow. Excellent comment bud! Thank you
@@dominicMcAfee Even though I’m not in aviation, I have learned so much that I can apply to my project management job. The script always includes very good advice from which viewers can generalize concepts to deal with confirmation bias, decision making challenges, resource management, analysis of human factors (instead of blaming), etc. I can honestly say this information has directly helped me become better at my chosen profession and I’m quite grateful.
I couldn’t agree more. There are lessons and processes which can be transferred across many disciplines. I really appreciate the forensic analysis of what went wrong but also the various options (missed in this case) for resolving the problem before impact, and of course the appropriate procedure applied in the QRF. Great comment !
100%.
I think most channels on air crash investigations are not created by actual pilots, so they can't really cover and explain everything so in-depth.
Best part is your puppy licking your hands as you gestured!
With fixed wing aircraft, as long as you're still in controlled flight after an "incident," you have the time to hit those checklists and make the right decisions. What amazing engineering on the 737-800, to take damage like this and still bring them home! Great video!
When I was 14 and just starting flying, the seat in my 152 slid to the full back position during takeoff. Luckily I somehow knew to let go of the controls instantly. My flight instructor took over and we took off normally.
From then on I always check the seat locking mechanism before every flight. Alot of older aircraft are still flying with seat locks that have been recalled for that exact reason.
I've had the same thing happen driving a car and that was bad enough, but for that to happen in an aircraft while you're just about to take-off must be terrifying.
People have been killed in 150/152s from exactly this seat problem. It was subject to an airworthiness directive one time.
It happened to me too, the urge to grab the control wheel and pull is very strong
You have to give Beoing credit for building such a durable landing gear. That being said if the 737 was a foot lower it could have been a total tragedy.
They could work on their chairs tho XD
That chair almost cost them hundreds of lives
@@Khalcetines true
The older 737s even had gravel kits that allowed them to land on semi-prepared fields. Mostly guards around the gear to keep stones and stuff from getting flung up damaging the plane
@@Khalcetines To be clear, it wasn't Boeing's fault the chair failed. 19:55 shows it was the Company maintenance that messed up. They overtightened the mechanism, which prevented the chair from fully locking.
There are specific specifications for a reason. If maintenance follows procedure, everything will be fine.
@@endokrin7897 I might not even be qualified for "Aircraft Mechanic"... Hell, I haven't even taken the ASE test, but I believe VERY strongly that the best money any tech' can put in his vehicle is 1. Hayne's or Chilton's guide and 2. Torque Wrench...
For this very kind of reason. No good comes from "technical terms" like "Tight-tight" or "Snugged up good" when a $0.99 nut can cause thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage and get people killed. ;o)
Love your little doggie. Don't know where he ends and you begin! You both have the same colour hair ... very look alike...lol Otherwise another brilliant video, so full of information...thank you for the upload...
It's mentors face on the front of the video that gets me every time. The videos are extremely well narrated of course but just what a character he is.
It is almost plausible that just based on the noise they heard and the what the instruments told them they would continue to fly but once they were informed by the airport of the damage they caused on the ground it is inconceivable that they decided to continue to their destination.
No matter what the instruments tell you, if you have crashed your plane through a brick wall and demolished a bunch of antennas you get back on the ground as quickly as you safely can.
I have one question??? Is that pilot still flying???
That was my thought, too. Why the heck did they not go back for safety reasons? I really hope these two pilots are no longer flying.
yep
These pilots have clearly no grasp on how materials speed impact stress and structural damage works in the real world. They should not be pilots, when failing first grade science. They even have 1 page telling them, possible tail damage = land the fucking plane.
@@urduib : Well, they never looked at the tailstrike checklist, so they wouldn't have seen that instruction.
Nonetheless, the damage to the localizer and the wall should've been more than enough to tell them they should turn around and come back immediately.
I couldn’t help smiling at the arms waving around in the virtual cockpit after seat failure😁😆
Agreed, hats off to his editor.
It´s the worst possible moment for a pilot to collapse with his seat.
you were not the only one ! :D
Touchdown!
Yes, although I was wondering why all the people featured had light coloured skin. Unless told otherwise, I would assume by default that the pilots were Indian and brown-skinned.
This plane is true technological masterpiece. Amazing what it can withstand and still fyling just okay.
It had Quirks. Look up 737 max MCAS failures
@@TheaterAccount-fp5jxit was just a designing flaw, and the 737-800 and 737 MAX8 are different planes (737-800 Next Generation / 737 MAX 8)
Hi there Mentour, just wanted to thank you for all your time and dedication making these videos, they are incredibly valuable for those of us who aspire to learn from mistakes we could’ve done and become better pilots. I have no doubts when I say that in a realistic day-to-day scenario I would’ve probably made the same mistakes as these pilots without realizing how severe they were till I landed and actually took a look at the aircraft.
I also love your perspective when you analyze these incidents or accidents and never turn them into a drama showcase, but instead you make of them a learning experience, without pointing fingers at people responsible for it, which is really hard but, after all, the goal here is to learn how to prevent those mistakes. It doesn’t matter if you fire the pilot responsible for an incident, another pilot could end up making the exact same mistakes if you don’t implement solutions that get to the root of the problem.
During my primary flight training and while flying solo a C150, my seat back broke just as I was climbing through 500' to avoid the terrain on takeoff. Thankfully, I had just trimmed the airplane for the climb out, so when I fell backwards and released the yoke (lightning reflexes) the airplane continued to climb at Vx. It took several seconds of grabbing for anything other than the control yoke to pull myself upright. Once I got myself stabilized, I turned towards home plate and radioed for a straight-in approach, about three miles. Upon safely landing I inspected the seat and discovered the broken stop tabs that had precipitated my predicament.
When all was said and done, the repair of the seat caused an AD for that particular type seat installation, which was vastly better than an NTSB recommendation following what could have been a fatal accident.
Tom, I can imagine the feeling... especially as (if i understood properly) you were on your own during the incident. Flying is not an innocent occupation... unexpected risks are around you at all times, including the most unexpected ones!!
Very interesting to hear!
I'm still fascinated about how some people simply have the completely right responses upon danger and adrenaline and are able to get into a super rational state while some don't seem to have that and either get flustered or simply shut down.
Hard to test but you find out immediately which one you are when you're in a situation like that.
Get you 2 vice grips put one on each rail behind your seat stops. It worked on my 18-wheeler. Once my seat airbag burst and all i could see out the windshield was birds and clouds. kinda like when i was 5 sitting behind the wheel of Daddy's 1947 Chrysler. lol
This example shows just how crucial certain things are when flying aircraft:
1 Fast reflexes in an emergency
2 Correct decisions made during the emergency
3 Immediate risk assessment to decide whether it's safe to continue the flight
4 Correct decisions based on a realistic assessment of the overall risks and consequences
Seems like the pilots in the video failed point 4 when they chose not to return to the departure airport.
Outch
EVERYONE on that plane was extremely lucky. This story shows ANYTHING can happen in flight. Very interesting incident. Thanks
Oh yes your so true everyone can be happy that they are still alive. It´s crazy!
@@Marcel_Glanzer-Unterscheider true life is unpredictable
@@kirilmihaylov1934 Yeah that´s aktually true, but don´t be to scary about true life (;
@@Marcel_Glanzer-Unterscheider that's the truth
This story shows that anything can happen while dragging your 737 across the ground like a dog drags its butt.
I'm not sure that an altitude of 5 feet, while smashing through the airport's wall is what I would consider "in flight". ;)
I am not a trainee pilot nor intending to be a pilot.
But I love watching all the videos you make and I enjoy the commentary and explanation that you make. Amazing work
The best part for me is the perspective from a pilot.
I'm happy this video popped up in my feed as I'll be flying on a 737-800 in a couple of weeks... Good to know they can fly thru a brick wall & still take off & fly like nothing even happened!!
This one is amazing. Totally agree, the airworthiness of that plane after undergoing that kind of damage is phenomenal.
It's built out of the same stuff as N64s.
The dog's like, "I've heard all this before. He thinks he's a pilot or something".
I found this channel a few weeks ago and have watched a number of the videos. They’re all fascinating and very well made, with absolutely superb storytelling and graphics. (These videos even got me through my colonoscopy prep day, which is saying a lot! :) I really appreciate Petter’s positive attitude and commitment to teaching. This video is my favorite so far. The pilots’ insistence on continuing the flight as if they hadn’t just flown through a brick wall demonstrates an almost comically absurd level of denial. It shows one of the cognitive distortions the human mind is capable of under severe stress. I’m just glad their wishful thinking and lack of common sense didn’t result in a disaster.
Also - I love seeing your dogs in the videos! I have a chihuahua-poodle mix puppy named Sally Ride (after the astronaut). Sometimes she watches the videos with me and seems to notice the dogs. :)
This one was really interesting. Love your details and follow up with the investigation. You are detailed enough without simplifying things and not over doing it with complex details. Also, loved the puppy in this one. So Cute!!
Me: I think I would be observant enough to pick up on all these errors
Also me at 11:40 : Holy crap, where did that dog come from?!
Ye i noticed that aswell, i was looking for this comment lol
The dog is seen at @2:17
Best little copilot ever.
I missed the dog altogether 😂
I noticed it only now at 20mins lol
I've seen many of these incidents covered on other channels but without the extensive details you provide. In many cases it's like I'm watching a brand new video. Always nice to get an actual pilots perspective.
Awesome to hear!
I don’t know I started watching these videos, but I won’t watch any other aviation channel but yours now. Always thoroughly investigated and organized.
I know very little about aviation but I watch these videos because of the great delivery of the stories of these events from the Mentor Pilot. Very entertaining and informative.
Calling it a "tail strike" might be too charitable. It crashed into the localizer array and then the perimeter wall, and the pilots were told this but continued on anyways. I would call this extreme and disqualifying recklessness, and that's not even getting into the failure to reject the takeoff.
That said plenty of aircraft accidents have occured due to atempts to reject at or near V1....
@@tomriley5790 That's what I was going to ask...was terminating the takeoff even an option??
@@jonio214 clearly stated in the video that the co could have aborted safely or that the pilot could have taken off normally if he had noticed the throttle and put it back where it belonged. For that matter, the co could have continued the takeoff normally if *he* had noticed the throttle.
Honestly, if that happened to me as co, I would have aborted. I don't have the experience or any way to know what's happened to.the pilot, so an aborted takeoff is the safest move.
@@EdwinWiles Better safe than sorry, right?! Thanks for the explanation. I'm usually multi-tasking when I watch, so missed that detail.
It was practically a CFIT. It's pretty amazing they didn't crash.
I'm no expert, but wether you hit the retaining wall and break it or hit an antenna hard enough for it to hit the retaining wall and break it isn't much of a difference....
True that!
Those pilots were very irresponsible in not immediately returning to the airport.They gambled with the lives of everyone on board .
@@1997inspire > Those pilots were very irresponsible in not immediately returning to the airport.They gambled with the lives of everyone on board.
Thank you for such a deeply insightful and qualified comment. Also, would you please give us an advice how to solve the global warming problem, how to unscrew the war in Afghanistan and how to fight Corona? We have time.
@@rostislavsvoboda7013 explain how being able to formulate a Yes/No (simple) statement in one's head leading to action: land at the closest airport would enable one to dismantle crises that have millions if not billions of contributors and action takers ? and yes we have time but probably not enough so be quick
@@1997inspire - It is cultural problem, that has been plaguing aviation in Asia. PIA, Air India, Asiana, to name a few, that save face mentality often ends in disasters.
I absolutely love all your videos! I may not understand all the technical things that you explain but I’m learning! You make your videos so very interesting!
I really like the new format for this channel: the chapters, the animations, etc.... Really, really well done!
This series is the absolute best. Interesting, educational, engaging. Thanks again for another wonderful summary and review of an incident.
Thank YOU for watching and your nice words! Great to have you onboard.
The problem with the seat: it happens.
The problem with the throttle: totally understandable.
The only *real* fail is when the pilots decided to NOT CHECK the tailstrike checklist, even though they both noticed the thump during takeoff, AND got informed by ATC of a ground collision.
That failure is not just silly, but downright criminally negligent.
Often it is just some unusual / stupid little thing and everything else goes out the window that has been drummed into their head. A Deer in the headlights comes to mind.
I agree
It's by definition not criminally negligent. Negligent? For sure. But they did not commit a crime.
@@Kriddle1229 You do not consider endangering lives, both on the plane and on the ground, through complete disregard of safety protocols as criminal?
You are then also the sort of person who refuses to wear a seatbelt, because "that's no crime"?And who drives through a red traffic light, because that, too, is merely endangerign yourself and others through disregard of the rules.
The operations procedure for airplane flight are not just guidelines, hints as to what would be a good idea. They are LAWS, and choosing to not comply with them is, yes, criminal.
@@marvinkitfox3386 When, did I ever give my opinion on if I think it SHOULD be a crime or not? Don't be a typical internet mouth breather that attacks someone for not agreeing with you.
Jag har aldrig flugit men dina mentorfilmer gör mig nyfiken.
Kul och intressant att följa.
Håll den blå sidan upp !
Captain you are very informative and your depth to detail is overwhelming, I’m addicted to your channel and thank you for all the wonderful videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice presentation. I only flew the 737-800 around 1200 hours. Now I'm going to my basement to dig out my manuals. I do remember the QRH Tail strike checklist though. The only pilots that had a tail strike at my airline were the Chief Pilot with the 737 Fleet Manager in the right seat. Watch out for those management pilots that never fly. In the case of this crew, a four hour leg after they were told of all the damage shows the poor judgement of the capt. They had a good airport to return to and many suitable along that route. Easy for me to judge from my keyboard but I do have 29K hours of no accidents, incidents or violations.
this was simpler to disect imho: was everything really normal ? Their answer to that question should have been a sound no, which should lead them to make the decision to land at the nearest airport so I would agree with your infront of the keyboard judgment as I assume you are smarter/wiser than to lie to yourself in situations like these. Good day sire
The holes in Swiss cheese were clearly big enough for this airline. How the pilots chose to continue the flight after repeated confirmations of terrain collisions was just as baffling as the management’s decision to call it back when they did.
Well, they did make themselves a few more holes.
@@roichir7699 the same can be said about the crew of PIA8303, they somehow convinced themselves otherwise irrespective of the situation they were in. However, the decision to call the flight back all way from across the Arabian Sea, is nothing short of criminal. The lives of the people onboard should take priority over everything else.
The Captain should have refused given they were now closer to their destination.
@@hairyairey, given the extreme vertical difference between a relatively new PIC and senior management on the other end, it would have been very hard decision indeed. The cultural factors would also come into play.
@@Flyingzypher Potentially damaged aircraft should land where nearest airport is! That's the issue. Doesn't matter about management. I would hope the investigation was critical of this decision.
Me tour love how you explain videos,compassion in disasters, very educated, and love the accent you have, thank you sir for making theses videos for all of us
You are helping a lot of pilots, not only commercial pilots. Thank you again for your excellent analysis.
As a student pilot I had a seat back partially fail after a touch and go at ~500 feet. Both the throttle and yoke were jerked back for several seconds.
I had simmilar experience but from my driving lessons. the pin uder my seat colapsed and the wheel and foot pedals were sudenly far far away from me. (By the way, in that age I was about 56kg) but my instruktor didn´t realised it and tasked me to turn right. I replied from behind "I wish I could." Even than he turn his head to my side and realised what happened. ohhh, wish you could seen that face. My the most funny memory from those classes.
Ouch well recovered!
Yikes! That’s why I check and double check my seat every time. That had to be terrifying!
@@randc47 The Cessna 150 was trimmed aft for the previous power off landing so the yoke was pushing back. The throttle was pushed forward with the very tip of my finger. I trimmed for normal take-off and loosened the seat belt so I could reach the pedals. Big intervention from guardian angel.
@@randc47 for the first moment it was shock... you don´t expect thing like this could happened.
but still I was safe, there was other guy, who were or should be able to solve situation.
And I was teenager in that time (immortal as each one is)
But in face of my instructor was mix of surprise, shock, fear...
And my reaction was typicaly pubescent - I started to laugh loudly...
What I get from these videos is just how amazing these investigating teams are. The way they piece the puzzles together shows how bright these people are.
Another fantastic video... ALL the best from Brazil!!!
I love the dog assisting you🥰 thank you for the video
Watching! Many thanks, Petter, for your continuous job on RUclips. Dominic! Well done with the animation 😉
Thank you Captain Denys!
@@dominicMcAfee ❤
Do your own analysis of the incident video.
@@danielaramburo7648 I think it will not be as informative as Petter does it... But probably I will in the future 😉
@@PilotBlogDenys you obviously have had different flying experiences than Petter, so it’s good to see the same incident from different points of view and different backgrounds. You still owe me a ride in your 737.
How it kept flying normally with all that damage is amazing
Another great presentation, and your little companion was there too.
Your analysis videos are so cool! Love them!
When denial and "get there-itis" is more important than erring on the side of caution for the benefit of the 160 souls on board...
Right. I wonder if the airline’s policy and culture was a factor in the decision not to return or divert.
And what is driving the "get-there-itis"? Capitalism.
@@samhhaincat2703 Is that supposed to be a brilliant statement lol - airplanes fly everywhere in the world - pilots have an enormous responsibility - blaming capitalism on murderous pilots is mind boggling absurd
A bit like the air india 747 which encountered headwinds and ignored low fuel warnings/opportunities to refuel on the way into new york only to declare a fuel emergency when they got there - hailed as "hero pilots saving the aircraft" instead of being raked over the coals for putting the flight into danger in the first place
More like human nature to reduce perceived harm. They knew they were in it deep by their comments toward the end of the flight. Natural reaction would be to at least accomplish the proper flight, lessening the issue of the tail strike. But that self-preservation placed all of their lives at risk. They would be in trouble for a tail strike at any airline. Continuing the flight compounded the error, and I suspect would work against them, whereas if they had just immediately returned they could have said that “stuff happens” and after the weirdness of the seat collapse they tried to make everything right.
I had few weeks ago a similiar near-accident in my VW golf :). I removed the driver's seat to change the seat cover and forgot afterwards to replace the securing pin, limiting the movement of the seat on it's rail. Having installed the seat, I drove on the street and in this very moment my seat slid completely back, at the same time - as the seat left the rail - also flipping back. I had no first officer on the right seat, luckily there was also no traffic so I managed to sit upright again by pulling myself up by grabbing the steering wheel. Remember to check your seat not only in airplanes! ;)
Only if you decide to mess with them and not put them back together correctly again … check .
Lol sometime I think of my golf as an aeroplane
Did you decide to go to your destination or divert back to the closest available tool box?
@@kallesirvio2695 I declared an emergency shouting "O ku&wa!" which is in my language a commonly used exclamation announcing a critical situation, as most Europeans know by now. Then I replaced the pin using appropriate tools, ie. my thumb and index finger.
You're the best brotha. Awesome videos man.
I really admire your delivery style (friendly, engaging, informative) that even extends to your paid promotions which are simply the best I’ve seen on RUclips. Never thought I’d want to see an advertisement on any channel but your personal involvement with your sponsor is excellent! 👍
he's the best!
Oh my goodness, so cute! Congrats on the newest addition to the Mentour Pup crew. Sofie is perfectly adorable and calm, just like her parents 🐶🐶🐶
A King Looks just like her dad. :)
What a channel..?? What an execution, as an aviation professional, I really loved your channel, great work bro keep moving ahead.. With lots of love from India.
Your videos and explanations is a gold. Thank you for your great work ,apreciated.
This video reminded me of other videos on youtube where you see a giant truck going down a highway with a car pinned to the front and the driver is oblivious, it's sometimes hard to imagine the weight and power of an aircraft would chew up that antenna and the wall and it wouldn't be as obvious as if you had done it in a car or say a Cessna 172... Amazed that plane made it in one piece, was expecting a twist in the tale where it broke up due to the longer diversion etc but glad it was a somewhat happy ending!
"You guys hit something!"
Let's keep flying though.
IKR?
I was not expecting this level of professionalism and quality from the thumbnail. What a pleasent surprise.
I know nothing about aviation but your videos are very educational, as well as entertaining. Your little dog is cute too. Thanks for your work!
Surely the landing gear team giving high fives all around.
Good Analysis, Chief!
I will write my observations later, but for now I must say that your First Officer in its Brown uniform, stole the show.
Good touch there!
Keep up the good work.
Patxi! 💕💕
Great video - love the dog! ❤
Excellent presentation and review. What a man!
Man the 737 is a tough old bird. 4+ hours flight with that kind of damage and this didn't end in disaster? Outstanding
That’s exactly what I thought!
To be honest Petter, I’m just here for the dogs. They are just the goodest dogs. 😁
Seriously though, your content is absolutely top class. Very very interesting and so well explained too. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Always enjoy the explanations and like to hear the causes always pays to ĺearn thanks
Okay been binging your videos for the past few weeks and they are so informative but also very chill and easy to understand even for someone that doesn’t know how to fly a plane, even though I would love to learn. I just have to say though your dogs are distracting in a good way they are so cute I especially love how one of them has a habit of sitting at the top of your sofa on a pillow just too cute. Keep up the amazing videos and give your doggies a treat from me!
A vtuber that watches aviation videos. Neat!
@@mystifiedoni377 yeah it's one of my autistic obsessions that and murder mystery but I don't talk about it on streams too much as it's kind of morbid for some people. 😅
2:15 what a sweet doggy. adorable
You would think the aircraft manufacturers would have thought of a load cell in the tail strike skid that registers a strike and makes a warning appear in the flight management system
AFAIK, some planes do have such system. E.g. Dash 8 Q400. Other planes warn about a possible tailstrike when they detect excessive pitch angle.
The warning was the clearly not normal thud...followed by the ATC description of the damage on the ground. Compounded by lack of experience and/or inadequate training and for sure, lack of common sense.
Why not add a wall strike warning as well. And a wall strike checklist: "1. If you suspect you hit a wall at the airport, don't continue the flight, goddamnit!"
I thought the same thing, the 777 does this, i’m sure most other more modern Boeing aircraft do too, if there is a tail strike, the crew are notified via the EICAS. Not sure if airbus have such a system, never seen it.
@@falsemcnuggethope Hahahaha ! I love this kind of sarcasm.
The closest I've come to flying an airplane is cash register buttons. However I find I can actually mostly understand your explanations. Your very good at explaining everything.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Fascinating videos and so well delivered !
The fact there was so much damage after they hit the antennae and a BRICK WALL isn't surprising at all, but how did the plane just continue flying normally and the pilots didn't even notice is just incredible. What an incident.
Geez... when you said "we don't know exactly what the coversation was" I thought this was going to end up with a crash and nobody surviving. So could have been worse. It sounds very much like the crew were really scared as to being blamed for the consequences of the accident. It doesn't sound like there was a particuarly good safety culture at work. Impressive that the 737-800 manged to survive it all, although perhaps the chair design needs improving! Your point as to it being easy to make bad decisions under stress was very well made! Great video. What happened to the crew after the investigation? It's interesting - they must have known they had a tailstrike too as they were clearly aware of a failure of the VHF antenna when called by ATC...
We don’t know what happened to them but I make a point of not following that up. These videos are made to highlight safety improvements mainly
@@MentourPilot fair enough. I take your point. I was simply thinking that the crew seemed more scared of the consequences, it would have been relatively reassuring if that fear had turned out to be misplaced.
I was also expecting you to say that this ended in a crash into the ocean, when you got to the bit about them approaching Oman. Or that there would have been a fuel leak caused by the impact and that they didn't make it back to Mumbai in one piece. Pretty amazing that they then flew all the way back to Mumbai and after all of that, nothing at all happened to anyone. Had to agree with what you said about the resilience of the aircraft!
I mean, I'm not a pilot but: bump felt in the cockpit, felt and heard by cabin crew, tower tells you you hit the antennas and wall. Get the plane on the ground *now*. I dont care if cabin pressure is holding and the engines look ok. Was this a case of "get-there-itis"?
@@Tmanaz480 A zillion instruments all reading like they're supposed to, aw we couldn't possibly have ripped a good one on the underside? Actually given that it did rip the underside, how was it possible for the pressurization to have even worked? Is that all a non pressurized area? Maybe they thought "no apparent leaks, no harm"?
Your dog is so amazing. I really enjoy your videos, and I seem to learn something new every time.
It's a very enjoyable video. Especially the simulation part should continue in the following videos, love yolu Mentour :)
Collapsing chair during takeoff would be scary. Can recommend a quick bum dance in the chair before takeoff and landings, especially when flying an old piper! To jerk everything in place.
Actually not a bad idea!
@@dominicMcAfee it’s also good for loosing your stiffness in your arms and legs and it also improve the mood in the cockpit! 😎
Great idea!
SOP on most light airplanes. Cessnas are notorious for this.
Jerking everything in an old plane should be standard procedure, really.
The two pilots should have landed back at the departure aerodrome as soon as possible.. it's just common sense, in my opinion - it's not only about checklists. But I am honestly even more astonished by the airline's behaviour: this company took part in the story only to ask the flight crew to do something even more dangerous (fly a longer route in order to bring the aircraft home when at that point they were already quite close to the original destination). Thank you for all your amazing videos :)
True!
They are unfit idiots !
If you see their role w.r.t their experience u will understand wat am saying!
32yr old is captain, but 52yr old pilot is a first officer?!? India is so fucked up for sane & disciplined cultural part of the world
It's totally insane, isn't it? The whole plane could be hanging together by a thread and could fall apart in a moment.
@@jaghanIN there are captains at the age of 25 also throughout the world, talking about the first officer he must be a pilot from another aircraft who shifted to 737
@@aviable9907 if you go back to crew description, FO had 3880 hours on the 737 out of *4200* total.
Seems to be a company culture of saving face...the guys didn't want it to 'become news' and the company didn't want the damaged aircraft landing in Dubai out of their control. With that kind of pressure I'm not surprised by the (terrible) decisions these guys made.
Thank you for bringing your lovely dog into this session.
i don’t know about any of the technical stuff regarding actually flying a plane or anything related to it, but your videos are entertaining and i really enjoy them, even without that knowledge!
I know where the cockpit is, that's about it! But these are amazing.
As a retired pilot, I fully recognise the no blame approach of flight safety investigations but you have to shake your head at the crews behaviour and later the company’s behaviour. Clearly both parties were more concerned about saving face then the welfare of the passengers on board. If I’d been told I hit a wall, I’d be requesting immediate vectors for the same runway. Basic basic airmanship! John
A friend of mine who has visited India many times insists that Air India should not be allowed to fly. In the whole subcontinent I think the only national airline I would fly with is Sri Lankan.
Pulling on the throttle handle when falling and not realizing it. Sounds more like a crash test dummy than a trained captain.
Exactly, the "saving face" stupid 3rd world mindset ...
@@quinquiry Not sure that's necessarily a third world feature. Just one example among many, I recall Boeing insisting all was well with the 737 MAX until they couldn't. Oh, and another, the UK authorities blaming all their Brexit woes on the vindictive EU treating them as it treats all non members just because they're a non member.
maybe they didn't want to dump fuel, cool the brakes, return everyone's money?