I imagine Uruks have a culture going on like the vikings where reaching Valhalla is the ultimate goal, and whatever the Uruk’s valhalla is they humbly face it in death. So when you shame them and not even grant them a death in battle it is truly the most humiliating.
I love that they added voice lines for him, but it would have been cool after you beat the game, if you unlocked a few lines of black speech as a counter to how when he was with Celebrimbor, he would occasionally use Elvish.
@@littlemoth4956 But we're talking about the time period of the game, the shadow wars, which takes place almost immediately after Celebrimbor's betrayal If Talion learned a bit of Dark Tongue by the time he's become a Nazgul, that would make more sense. But not during the shadow wars Also, we see Orcs speaking the common tongue far more often. In fact I've only heard Ologs and Nazgul use Black Speech in the game's canon. In LOTR lore, they'd probably be talking in Black Speech, but the Middle Earth series is a side story so it has it's own canon
According to the Middle Earth wiki, Common Tongue is the main language used in Mordor. It also claims that Black Speech is only used by the Olog-Hai, as well as inside Barad-Dur. Basically, the only time Talion would need to use it, if we're going off of Middle Earth canon, would be when he dominates an Olog Captain. And of course, most Ologs in Shadow of War can speak the Common Tongue anyway, so it wouldn't really be useful.
@@dynamitedinosaur4601 As far as I know, Uruks can't speak Quenya (Elvish) and Cleebrimbor still says a few lines to them, so why wouldn't Talion use Black Speech on them too? :V I was going to say Sindarin but then I realized "Nan iChir Gelair" (I am the Bright Lord) isn't Sindarin so I'm guessing it's that other elven language I forgot the name of, which is why I said Elvish Edit: remembered the name
@@FuchsiaRosa43 only if an example must be made. He prefers to have a functioning army where as Talion will take any and use as cannon fodder if need be (Raise Dead)
My god, the Shamming must be painful as hell. Your literally burning your hand into their face and destroying their mind, shattering neurons and the spirit
The game before giving Nazgul Talion lines Get out of my sight! - Gyaaaah Submit to me! - Gyaaaah Join my army! - *briely explaining he should lure a specific orc and fight him* - GYAAAAH
The fact that Dark Talion (and selecting the Celebrimbor skin before Calabrimbor betrays you) you get a new wraith skin and with Dark Talion, new voice lines entirely. It shows that they put more effort in this game than they did in Shadow of Mordor. In Shadow of Mordor you don't have any new wraith skins. Even as young Calabrimbor.
@@laserlights9684 It's such a contrast between Ratbag jokingly imitating it and Cucumbrimbor saying with so much hatred and authority in his voice That moment got me to audibly laugh :V
I love the fact that most of his lines take after celebrimbor, shows that he did not just miss him even after the betrayal. But I bet that he takes these lines to heart because it's true to him. Either because of nostalgia or because he enjoyed celebrimbor saying it. it's either the two really.
There's an irony there that I didn't pick up on at first, the one calling him that is called ranger, literally a representation of his past being dissapointed in what he became
Talion: You don't deserve my blade! Celebrimbor: I will not sully my blade with your coward's blood! I think we all know which is better. Even so I'm glad they gave him lines in the end.
Interesting that dark talion never talks to himself, he doesn’t say a quote when commanding allies to attack, he doesnt say the name of a captain when highlighting them.
@@ComradeAurelian I want that too but it's way too late to get. I like both but I would like to pick which one after finishing shadow wars and getting the true ending.
Anyone else thinking Talion being _dead silent_ was more intimidating? Like, this unkillable, undead Man is hauling ass after you, slaughtering your blood brothers and fellow Orcs, and when he gets to you, you either serve him, or burns your face and drives you mad, making you as something as pathetic even the Gravewalker brands you as
So "shun from army" used to be called "cast out" that's actually pretty interesting. I only started and completed the game this year, so I wonder what other interesting changes (not counting the removal of micro- transactions) were made before it got to the version I came to know and love. This game sure was a blast, it's one of the few I put the time in to platinum.
I do remember that before the Blade of Galadriel dlc came out Dark Talion didn't have voice lines yet. He had grunts and growls which kinda makes sense since the Ring-Wraiths do similar in the movies, but I'm glad they did give him voice lines for these interactions.
Personally I find the "Your to weak to call yourself an Orc!" Is the biggest burn of them all. Even grunts have the "right" to call themselves Orcs, because they are well,, orcs...
"Your too weak to call your self an orc" "I will not sully my blade with your cowards blood" "You dont deserve death" Most hurtful shaming with these 3 "You failed me. Now Go!" "You dissapoint me" "If i see you again. Im going to kill you" These are said in a more calm manner then other ones and the first 2 are kinda sad. Especially if thats your bodygaurd that failed to save you.
All of these quotes for the casting out sound like fancy ways to tell someone they're fired, and technically, they are. Just with a side of mashed brains in their heads.
Well they do deserve it some of the time's like when they betray you or when they ambush you and when you get them low hp they run or they just act really stupid I some orc's are alright like death bone or the shamed because he just yells WHY
Quick Question How long did it take for Nazgûl Talion to have this visual change and actually have voice lines? I got Nazgûl Talion not long ago and he already looked and sounded like this but I've seen footage of him looking quite different and not having voice lines
you must be talking about crowned talion his wraith form wouldn’t have a hood, it would have a gondorian crown shape, and whenever he speaks its never words its just him roaring or growling like some caragor
@@joelrobinson5457 Celebrimbor was corrupted long Ago before he even made the new ring he wanted to concur mordor for his own purposes not just to defeat sauron
(Talion) "All mordor will know your failure" Orc (jimmy) noooooo Month later; (Jimmy's dad) Son I heard you lost to the gravewalker, you want to talk about it? (Jimmy) Who and how'd you find out?
I guess that if you roleplay throughout the whole gameplay: Recruit just for YOUR benefit; Shame or banish them if they dare to betray/insult/cross your way/cowardly escape or do NOTHING to save/help others; If it is a worthy opponent and he is retreating/ when you fail to recruit him and he says smth like "I challenge you, Gravewalker!" - Dominate and make him fight to death or have mercy. It hits VERY different if you do so.
Ive been playing this game since release an beaten it 4 times, On my new playthrough I refuse to do the last mission just cause at least with Celebrimbor I have access to more dialogue then just with Talion
Well, I personally prefer the original "KRRRRR!" Dark Talion... simple, condensed, direct, intimidating. Also, removing Talion's pre-Nazgul crown... not a good idea.
Yea the crown covered up his lack of eyebrows in wraith form which made him really weird to look at and that sound he made when he recruited people was funny as hell
Not anymore.. they changed that in an update so you cant change to wraith mode in the epilogue and they removed the crown headpiece thsts why wraith talion doesnt exist in the epilogue
Well Celebrimbor think all the Orc Uruk Olog as an tool But Wraith ring Talion who’s being backstabbed think all the orcs under his command deserve some rights (this also can be seen in fortress victory speech)
Your game probably isnt updated. After the blade of galadriel dlc released, he was updated to be given a cloak and lines. Once updated, it should give you this version of Talion.
Basically he declaring that the Orc is defeated in battle and must submit. Please let me know if you still don't understand you chromosome abundant pencil necked cabbage
"ALL MORDOR WILL KNOW YOUR FAILURE!!!" i love that line
That’s my favorite shame
@@FireWolfGaming101 Talion after he sees an uruk run away from COWARDLY ORC
"I only kill true warriors" the most disrespectful line in a game were they do nothing but kill
I heard that line on a cowardly orc so it matched very perfectly with that
For me it's "I WILL NOT SULLY MY BLADE WITH YOUR COWARDS BLOOD!"
@@iupobur4235 that's a good one bruh
I imagine Uruks have a culture going on like the vikings where reaching Valhalla is the ultimate goal, and whatever the Uruk’s valhalla is they humbly face it in death. So when you shame them and not even grant them a death in battle it is truly the most humiliating.
What about "ALL MORDOR WILL KNOW YOUR FAILURE!"
I love that they added voice lines for him, but it would have been cool after you beat the game, if you unlocked a few lines of black speech as a counter to how when he was with Celebrimbor, he would occasionally use Elvish.
It wouldn't make sense for Talion to know Black Speech. It's not like the rings of power give the wearers fluency in it
@@ascended8174 It's not like he's spending literal decades around no one but a group of people whose native language is black speech or anything.
@@littlemoth4956 But we're talking about the time period of the game, the shadow wars, which takes place almost immediately after Celebrimbor's betrayal
If Talion learned a bit of Dark Tongue by the time he's become a Nazgul, that would make more sense. But not during the shadow wars
Also, we see Orcs speaking the common tongue far more often. In fact I've only heard Ologs and Nazgul use Black Speech in the game's canon. In LOTR lore, they'd probably be talking in Black Speech, but the Middle Earth series is a side story so it has it's own canon
According to the Middle Earth wiki, Common Tongue is the main language used in Mordor. It also claims that Black Speech is only used by the Olog-Hai, as well as inside Barad-Dur.
Basically, the only time Talion would need to use it, if we're going off of Middle Earth canon, would be when he dominates an Olog Captain. And of course, most Ologs in Shadow of War can speak the Common Tongue anyway, so it wouldn't really be useful.
@@dynamitedinosaur4601 As far as I know, Uruks can't speak Quenya (Elvish) and Cleebrimbor still says a few lines to them, so why wouldn't Talion use Black Speech on them too? :V
I was going to say Sindarin but then I realized "Nan iChir Gelair" (I am the Bright Lord) isn't Sindarin so I'm guessing it's that other elven language I forgot the name of, which is why I said Elvish
Edit: remembered the name
I know that the Uruks are savage monsters, but Talion is just turning their brains into vegetables. He truly IS a cruel one
moret25 your a mean one ... mr talion
@@FuchsiaRosa43 only if an example must be made. He prefers to have a functioning army where as Talion will take any and use as cannon fodder if need be (Raise Dead)
@@m16dude967 Except you shame orcs as Celibrimbor just as much as you do with Talion... what in the hell are you talking about?
Little Moth yep
Little Moth bright lord dark lord same thing really
I just love how coldy he just says
*"You are beaten"* when he dominates.
I personally like “you are *MINE* “
@@friccle_ I like KNEL ORC
I prefer the "UNWORTHY!" (i think it was) but In the latino dub, it says "¡INDIGNO!" in a very cool way
My god, the Shamming must be painful as hell. Your literally burning your hand into their face and destroying their mind, shattering neurons and the spirit
The Sunflower a
I know, right?
...I wish I could do that.
@@SteelShroom256 oh God yes I would shame the living shit of all those 28 people
literally
@@SteelShroom256 Imagine this but in a Ghostrider game
3:14 You *will* serve. Said very calmly.
You won’t beat me. Said very thugly.
4:16 I DIED LAUGHING
-You disgust me!
-uuuuuaaaaAAAAAAAA-
Perfectly cut scream
-reeeeeeeeee-
I love Talion. To rule a land full of savages one must rule with an iron fist and goddamn Talion does it in style.
The game before giving Nazgul Talion lines
Get out of my sight! - Gyaaaah
Submit to me! - Gyaaaah
Join my army! -
*briely explaining he should lure a specific orc and fight him* - GYAAAAH
I didnt know he literally became a shreiker
At the very least they GAVE him lines.
Now he's not going "Gyaaah!!!"
@@remageek that's after the light of galadrial dlc, otherwise he keeps his lines
Vergil the legendary dark slayer Really? I don't even have the DLC and i still only get him doing the autistic screeching
Then I Took An Arrow TO THE KNEE update your game
@@daynemtn it turned him into a shrieker
4:01 perfectly cut screams, i lold
4:14
The fact that Dark Talion (and selecting the Celebrimbor skin before Calabrimbor betrays you) you get a new wraith skin and with Dark Talion, new voice lines entirely. It shows that they put more effort in this game than they did in Shadow of Mordor. In Shadow of Mordor you don't have any new wraith skins. Even as young Calabrimbor.
Then again they had smaller budget and they probably focused on more important things than skins
“Submit” is the most badass one since it fits the whole nazgul theme or “you will serve me” with a very serious but calm voice
3:07 “You will fight at my side!” sounds so damn epic, I love it! 😃
in my headcannon, talion learned these lines from all those years where celebrimbor used to do all the talking when shaming and dominating lmao
My turn now bitch >:3
4:14 this line is so powerfull
My favorite is “Your to weak to call your self an orc!” It’s my favorite
gerardo garcia mine is
"Swear loyalty,Orc"
Mine is "You don't deserve my blade"
Old comments but I'll day my favorite is :you don't deserve death:
I just came back here, Limitedoriginz is my old account
LimitedOriginz hello me
I miss the elvish and "SUFFER ME NOW"
I love how ratbag Imitates calabrimbor with the "Suffer me now."
"They know you had him with your "suffer~ me~ now~"
@@laserlights9684 NOW
@@laserlights9684 It's such a contrast between Ratbag jokingly imitating it and Cucumbrimbor saying with so much hatred and authority in his voice
That moment got me to audibly laugh :V
@@Lord_Seraph so does that implies that other orcs can actually see celebrimbor when he does that, or do they only see Talion doing it
I love the fact that most of his lines take after celebrimbor, shows that he did not just miss him even after the betrayal. But I bet that he takes these lines to heart because it's true to him. Either because of nostalgia or because he enjoyed celebrimbor saying it. it's either the two really.
"You're a cruel one, gravewalker" -Ranger
There's an irony there that I didn't pick up on at first, the one calling him that is called ranger, literally a representation of his past being dissapointed in what he became
I just love the way he yells out "Fall to your knee!" The cadence in it is just like perfect.
Leave my service,WORTHLESS ORC
Talion: You don't deserve my blade!
Celebrimbor: I will not sully my blade with your coward's blood!
I think we all know which is better. Even so I'm glad they gave him lines in the end.
Celebrimbor has a near identical quote. ruclips.net/video/B5-uosMwLzY/видео.html (05:25/05:27.)
I feel the delivery is great though
Talions lines sound more tired, clebrimbor has also been doing this for a very long time, so id imagine his lines would be better prepared
4:16 that scream tho....
wwwAAAAAA-
0:54 "You have failed me for the last time, Dragon."
Celebrimbor:the kid trying to be cool
Dark talion the cool kid
asian rice guy aka teriyaki man ringwraith talion*
Celebrimbor: the nerdy kid
Talion: the emo kid
nah I'd be the other way around
Interesting that dark talion never talks to himself, he doesn’t say a quote when commanding allies to attack, he doesnt say the name of a captain when highlighting them.
As exhausting as it would be, Nazgul Talion really needs his own unique dialogues. Even orcs noting how Talion is Ring Wraith.
When you win 16-14 in csgo but your teammates are bad.
I really hope they add a skin to have the old wraith Talion look again. The one with the face guard and no cloak.
I hope they add one for you to play as the bright Lord after you finish the game
@@ComradeAurelian I want that too but it's way too late to get. I like both but I would like to pick which one after finishing shadow wars and getting the true ending.
@@king_kappa5263 after i finish i just replayed so i can play as the bright Lord. And i am not finishing the game just so i can keep playing as him
@@ComradeAurelian you are not the only one
Nah the cloak looks way better imo
You should really do both Celebrimbor and Nagul Talion fortress victory speeches
what does he say at 1:42?
"Obey Me"
nazgul talion fortress victory speech he has those?
They shoud have done both of them for every speech . To let you choose between Good and Evil .
Anyone else thinking Talion being _dead silent_ was more intimidating?
Like, this unkillable, undead Man is hauling ass after you, slaughtering your blood brothers and fellow Orcs, and when he gets to you, you either serve him, or burns your face and drives you mad, making you as something as pathetic even the Gravewalker brands you as
So "shun from army" used to be called "cast out" that's actually pretty interesting. I only started and completed the game this year, so I wonder what other interesting changes (not counting the removal of micro- transactions) were made before it got to the version I came to know and love. This game sure was a blast, it's one of the few I put the time in to platinum.
I do remember that before the Blade of Galadriel dlc came out Dark Talion didn't have voice lines yet. He had grunts and growls which kinda makes sense since the Ring-Wraiths do similar in the movies, but I'm glad they did give him voice lines for these interactions.
@@Albertosn3 Yeah, it got old fast hearing Talion growl at an orc and then have them be like “Oh, ok. I guess I’m an ally now.”
@@VariableZero”GYAAAH”
“ok fine you dont have to yell, god”
@@friccle_ “Kaaaah!”
They raised the level cap from 60 to 80
Personally I find the
"Your to weak to call yourself an Orc!"
Is the biggest burn of them all.
Even grunts have the "right" to call themselves Orcs, because they are well,, orcs...
When we release Pokémon, that's what we are truly doing.
"Your too weak to call your self an orc"
"I will not sully my blade with your cowards blood"
"You dont deserve death"
Most hurtful shaming with these 3
"You failed me. Now Go!"
"You dissapoint me"
"If i see you again. Im going to kill you"
These are said in a more calm manner then other ones and the first 2 are kinda sad. Especially if thats your bodygaurd that failed to save you.
4:20 wow
YOU'RE MINE!
Awesome! Great work!
What it happens if Celebrimbor reacted to Talión as Nazgul I wonder what he says to him
Zerometo X probably
Celebrimbor:jesus he has better quotes then I do and his wraith form Looks better and has a badass cloak
Probably SUFFER ME NOW
@kaelyn elizabeth "Dang Talion I think you might even be wo..." "DONT say it. Just dont"
Destroyer Creater also he has the ability to resurrect the dead and I don't.
If celebrimbor and talion fought maybe if celebrimbor won he would banish talion
Idk what talion would do if he won
"You're pathetic! I release you!"
3:24 to 4:45
Parent: How to discipline my child
Google: ground them or take their electronics for a day
Bing:
"i only kill true warriors"
All of these quotes for the casting out sound like fancy ways to tell someone they're fired, and technically, they are. Just with a side of mashed brains in their heads.
i honestly feel bad with how they struggle to get away from him
Well they do deserve it some of the time's like when they betray you or when they ambush you and when you get them low hp they run or they just act really stupid I some orc's are alright like death bone or the shamed because he just yells WHY
1:34 my lovely moment. KNEEL NOW!. So Dramatic Talion path...
SUFFER ME NOW
Some Combine *YOU CANNOT STAND*
"Incompetent wrentch" is probably the most painful thing you could hear from a man slowly turning you from an orc to a vegetable
Nazgul Talion == Skeletor
1:59 YOUR MINE
2:34
"Look at me, I am your master now"
1:59
Suffer me Now!
Only in Middle-Earth can you be cruel to orcs
This just made me feel paranoid Oh
You're too weak to call yourself an orc!!! Love that one!
I remember when this video was made 1 day ago
FIGHT FOR ME!
Nazgûl Talion is awesome
Quick Question
How long did it take for Nazgûl Talion to have this visual change and actually have voice lines?
I got Nazgûl Talion not long ago and he already looked and sounded like this but I've seen footage of him looking quite different and not having voice lines
If Im correct it was when the blade of galadrial dlc came out idk if I spelled r her name right but who cares
@@jonpapi_2247 You're right.
DedSec 117 yeah that was when the game wasn’t updated for him to have voice lines before he would growl and they would be recruited
you must be talking about crowned talion his wraith form wouldn’t have a hood, it would have a gondorian crown shape, and whenever he speaks its never words its just him roaring or growling like some caragor
@ElTejano467 how do you get that crowned wraith tho, or is it removed?
He's pissed at celebrimbor but he quotee one of Celebrimbor's quotes and he once said He misses him. Talion make up your mind
He knows it's because celebrimbor put all that was good of himself into that ring, he misses the person his friend used to be...
@@joelrobinson5457 Celebrimbor was corrupted long Ago before he even made the new ring he wanted to concur mordor for his own purposes not just to defeat sauron
@@shadowslayer2929 true, but that wasn't the only reason
Just a compilation of a man shouting and fearful grunts in response lmao
(Talion) "All mordor will know your failure"
Orc (jimmy) noooooo
Month later;
(Jimmy's dad) Son I heard you lost to the gravewalker, you want to talk about it?
(Jimmy) Who and how'd you find out?
ok pal
I miss the headpiece, that and the empty back he had before the update made him ACTUALLY look Gondorian and not just another Nazgûl.
I guess that if you roleplay throughout the whole gameplay: Recruit just for YOUR benefit; Shame or banish them if they dare to betray/insult/cross your way/cowardly escape or do NOTHING to save/help others; If it is a worthy opponent and he is retreating/ when you fail to recruit him and he says smth like "I challenge you, Gravewalker!" - Dominate and make him fight to death or have mercy.
It hits VERY different if you do so.
I think it's funny when they say "combining efforts is a wise choice", oh? Are you the bright lord
Ive been playing this game since release an beaten it 4 times, On my new playthrough I refuse to do the last mission just cause at least with Celebrimbor I have access to more dialogue then just with Talion
Talion doing MK Ultra with Orcs is more hilarious than Celebrimbor.
man the shaming ones seem painful for the orcs
Talion roasted orcs for 4 minutes 46 seconds
Well, I personally prefer the original "KRRRRR!" Dark Talion... simple, condensed, direct, intimidating.
Also, removing Talion's pre-Nazgul crown... not a good idea.
Yea the crown covered up his lack of eyebrows in wraith form which made him really weird to look at and that sound he made when he recruited people was funny as hell
The crown looked cool but didn't make much sense honestly
he’s more brutal at shaming and casting out than celembrimbor
They're not orcs, They're uruks!
Some of them aren’t even that. They’re Ologs.
Wow I felt bad for these orcs… . They don’t deserve this mistreatment after recruiting them…
That's Why I Will never Shun any of my orcs when I get Isildur's Ring, plus I've never Shun an orc with Celebrimbor yet
2:07
LowTierNazgul
Celebrimbor sounds scarier imo
Hes mainly filled with hate so yea lol
Talion saw through Celembrimbor....
Or maybe Some part of corrupted Isildur’s Soul doing wraith part
My god, Nazgul Talion is fucking evil with the banishing/shaming shit.
How do you get the alternate wraith, the one without the hood, I am stuck.
It was an update
where did you find pug the infernal? he was in my army..
(i also banished him out of the army :>)
at the start of the game talion already has a wraith without celebrimbor
what does he say at 1:42?
he said obey me
andrew allen it’s because of the ring
Not anymore.. they changed that in an update so you cant change to wraith mode in the epilogue and they removed the crown headpiece thsts why wraith talion doesnt exist in the epilogue
2:35
Can anyone hear Gordon Ramsay?
Is it me or is Talion Shaming Weaker than Celebrimbor
Like theres a stronger burn to Celebrimbor
Well Celebrimbor think all the Orc Uruk Olog as an tool
But Wraith ring Talion who’s being backstabbed think all the orcs under his command deserve some rights (this also can be seen in fortress victory speech)
0:23 is so disrespectful
he has some quotes the same as celebrimbor
Yannkam 212 *YOU CANNOT RESIST*
@kaelyn elizabeth cuz of the new quotes i guess idk im not a dev
This is odd. He just kinda growls at them in my game.
Your game probably isnt updated. After the blade of galadriel dlc released, he was updated to be given a cloak and lines. Once updated, it should give you this version of Talion.
I think him growling is actually cooler than talking
@@jordansaum7710 what have you been drinking?
It be cool if he said “Naen ¡Chir Galair” like celebrimbor
Giorno giovanna Well.. talion is not an elf, he's a human, and that word is in elvish
The I only kill true warriors must burn
Can someone explain me the quote at 1:55? I am still eagerly seeking an answer to what that means
Basically he declaring that the Orc is defeated in battle and must submit.
Please let me know if you still don't understand you chromosome abundant pencil necked cabbage
I think it's "you are beaten"
1:19
Is there an older Ringwrwith Talion?
Yes it was before the big update he never did have lines and the cloak he just grunted a little 😂
0:19
Can any body tell me why i see no hood in wraith world mode in nazgul talion?
Did u update it
How to remove hood in wraith world?
You cannot , it was added with the new patches .
I saw so many of my people. Did you raid someone by the name of SuddenDeath513? Because I swear I saw at least 5 of my people.
The Orc creator isn't as randomised as you might think.
@@Idras74 Possibly.
3:02 and 3:04 apex legends name wtf
Lol weird
Mortalkombact Mob Pathfinder is not only an apex legend name
Celebrimbor was more badass
2:29