Celebrimbor - Is this a joke, Amazon?
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2023
- The Great Elf Lord, Celebrimbor, was not exactly as I had hoped for in Amazon's "The Rings of Power".
Watch how the series reimagines Celebrimbor, showcasing his role in this new brave and stunning tale set in Middle-earth's Second Age.
We'll dive deep into Tolkien's original writings and explore how Celebrimbor was depicted in the legendarium, examining the nuances and depth of his character, especially from his appearances in the "Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor" series.
Whether you're a die-hard Tolkien fan, a newcomer to Middle-earth, or a gamer curious about Celebrimbor's different portrayals, this video has something for you! Don't miss out on this insightful exploration of one of Tolkien's most enigmatic characters.
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An actor who was clearly born to play a hobbit cast as one of the most important elves of all time.
nahh bro you did him dirty💀
Oof that one hits hard🤣
Right! He gives off more old bilbo vibes than any elves ever lived
the forehead elves, rop celebrimbor looks like the older version of rop elrond.
That's actually a good point he would have done better as a hobbit. I could literally envision that what a miss.
Cerebrimbo Baggins
*celebilbo
@@bojangles4398*Celedildo
@@bojangles4398 celedildo
@@cmja09 🤣
Centuries old metallurgist
No idea that you can create alloys
Damn, I didn’t know he was allergic to metal :/
Centuries?? He was born in Valinor... he probably saw Feanor himself working.
Several Thousand years old.
When Shadow of Mordor/War were coming out people were saying that those games were skrewing the lore, but Amazon proved that there are depths to be reached
Yup. Maybe if SOW had been a Warhammer 40K game instead, people wouldn't be so scornful of its story and could fully appreciate its gameplay. Meanwhile, Ring of Power is a failure at the core, one that no change of window dressing can fix.
@@anthonyrousseau805040k is super cartoonish though, wouldn't have worked nearly as well
Celebrimbor, Galadriel, Isildur and Elrond are totally miscast
They are indeed
If it was just miscasting I could abide the changes, but nothing about ROP had the feel of anything from either the books or the previous movies. It played out like bad fan fiction. Like someone wanted to tell a generic fantasy story but needed to mask it under a recognizable IP to get it greenlit.
THE CAST IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!
They're not miscast so much as poorly written, although there's no reason Celebrimbor should look like everyone's grandpa.
And also black people Dont match in lord of the ring universe
Shadow of Mordor/War is a perfect example of how "fanfiction" aka not lore accurate story, can still win the hearts of many and not completely piss off every Tolkien lover. Amazon could learn much from what fans LOVE and not force their own ideals onto its viewers.
Isildur a Nazgul ? Yes, the readers of the books love it (nope)
When the first game came out, it was received fairy well by tolkienheads but for second one, oh boy. It was shitted on in every corner of the internet. Memes of sexy Shellob were everywhere. There was a consensus that the game's lore is trash, the gameplay was that of an AC clone and the only saving grace was the nemesis system. You are watching this through rose tinted glasses because the franchise is now at a lower point that it was back in 2017.
@@methexis9934 not everything is going to be loved by everyone. People hate the movies. But the fast majority loved them just like the fast majority loved Shadow of Mordor/War. Amazon have not reached that level of love and enjoyment
@@CaptainMyron Majority of fans still loved the game, it was super successful and very enjoyable. Yes it was not lore accurate, yes some people didnt enjoy that aspect and yes there was memes. But it did not ruin the success of the game because the game as a whole was very good. Amazon did not accomplish that so RoP failed in terms of success, this is the point being made here.
@@morgomirwd You talk like a seller. Your commentary is not based on anything related to the quality of the game, the popularity is everything but an argument. There is plenty of masterpiece hated by people. Your so-loved game is full of crapy ideas litteraly insulting the memory of the original Lord of the Rings - and juste because it has been a near-average good game (by copying the gameplay of real goods games), it magically became itself a masterpiece in the eye of the layman.
The greatest smith in the world, second only to Feanor, didn’t know what alloys are.
He knew about alloys. Halbrand only said that a special alloy could be tried to strengthen the mithril, but Celebrymbor thought it would weaken the qualities of the metal. In the end, Sauron probably changed something in the mithril with his magic and thus the alloy turned out just right.
@@director5193 No, he clearly didn't know.
@@Phablo_Abreu He knew. He said alloy was not suitable for this ore. He said he thought about alloys, but he thought alloying would diminish the unique properties of the mithril. To which Sauron replied that a special alloy was needed and they went in search of it.
Ring of Power Celebrimbor: has 3 cells left in his senile brain
Shadow of Mordor Celebrimbor: “I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me.”
I watched celebrimbor after this video and man he is a madlad . Mess with sauron and gave him so much trouble
A master blacksmith didn't think of mixing ores, ARE YOU INSANELY KIDDING ME?
What kind of smith wouldn't mix metals in their craft? This is stupid.
Characters are only as smart as the writers, and the ROP writers are stupidly incompetent.
@@tototats16 With good writing, multiple viewings/readings reveal more details that make it even better and deeper. With RoP, it's stupid on first viewing, and if you actually think about it, you keep discovering new layers of stupidity, deeper than the roots of the mountains.
Not only A master blacksmith, but the best blacksmith since feanor. And we all know how feanor was the best in everything he did.
indeed it does get stupider the more viewings you do.@@partyboi8773
as someone who for quite a few years has been learning casting silversmithing and many other forms of metalwork this celebrimbor made me upset on a deeply emotional level on how stupid he sounds for who he is meant to be.@@bambostarla6259
Rings of Power is an abomination.
It is indeeed
couldn't have said it better myself
Agreed
Agreed
I hope they would change everything in S2 , Especially how they act in a boring cold ass way….
When fanfiction feels more true to the source material then an actual attempt at adaptation you know you got a problem
Celebrimbor in the power rings looks like my grandmother
xD
HAHAHAHA
I refuse to believe this is the greatest smith since Feanor. He comes across as a novice, not one almost equal to Sauron.
Exactly...
my guy is meant to be the smartest in crafting besides Sauron yet he needed alloys explained to him when at that point he was already quite old and had a reputation apparently.
he didn't think about alloys or different techniques on how to achieve his goals...and is surprised when breakthroughs the level of primates discovering fire are made...yet we're supposed to believe he can enchant powerful items? My man can barely work a forge...
They would turn Feanor into a Woke pus%y
@@lordsathariel4384 He was born in Aman, so yes. He's one of the oldest Elves still around in Middle-Earth. Though there may be some unnamed Noldorin Elves in Lindon and Eregion that are older given that he's Feanors grandkid and wouldn't have been born in Aman for a decent amount of years after the Noldor arrived there.
The Boss: when you fight him.
vs
When you play him as an unlocked character.
Ironic because we actually get to play with Celebrimbor and he’s pretty op
One instance where unplayable version is more pathetic than playable version
He reminds me more of Bilbo than of any elf I can imagine.
The option to cast only goofy, weird, old looking people as immortal elves known for their beauty was certainly an odd one. I will probably never watch this show, despite being a major LotR fan (the kind that read unfinished tales).
Yeah, me too. Such a disappointment, really. I wanted these series to be good, but they are completely unwatchable.
Thank God, Amazon has no rights to Silmarillion.
Don’t watch it it will make you want to Stab out your eyes it’s that bad. It’s horribly miscast and the writing is pure vomit.
I made the mistake of giving it a try thinking “ it probably isn’t as bad as people say” but boy was I wrong.
That’s literally the dumbest reason to not like this show tf😅
@ijustbevibin0425 how brain dead are you that you don't understand how ageless perfectly fair beings shouldn't look the way they do in this show? It's not Even close to the singular reason though, but with people like you it seems like they can churn out empty garbage and propaganda with no consequence to them.
@@ijustbevibin0425 Looks matter, it doesn't feel like lord of the rings seeing celebrimbor as a senile old man
Shadow of Mordor series:
Celebrimbor is a damn force of nature, consumed by a lust for revenge that only Talion understands, as both are forced to endure when they were murdered alongside their families. Not only is he formidable in raw power and fighting skill, his intellect remains a powerful weapon, as he uses it to manipulate his foes and allies alike. Additionally, his sheer willpower and insight into ring-lore allowed him to draw more power from the One Ring when he briefly wielded it than any other ringbearer save Sauron himself. Fought on the front line of the war and tried to 1v1 Sauron himself to save his family, and was only stopped because he did not realise the One Ring, unlike the others, had a will of its own and could abandon its bearer, which it proceeded to do mid-fight.
Upon foiling Sauron's trap to bind his soul to his will and become a servant similar to a Ringwraith, Celebrimbor on Talion's suggestion, decided to remain in Middle Earth of his own accord, and not pass on to Valinor, remaining in his unkillable wraith form in order to combat Sauron on his home turf, buying the rest of Middle Earth decades of needed time to prepare their defences. He forges another ring of power using his knowledge from forging the others, and like the elven rings this one is not bound to the power of the One. But unfortunately begun to lose touch with himself as the New Ring begun to dominate him, not the other way around. This was likely because while the New Ring was not bound to Sauron, Celebrimbor attempting to make a discount version of the One Ring, attempting to replicate Sauron's methods, caused it to have powers he did not understand. Thus even should Talion and Celebrimbor, the Gravewalker, manage to subdue Sauron, Celebrimbor will simply try to replace him, proclaiming himself the Bright Lord and seeking dominion over all of Middle Earth, leaving it to his last true friend to desperately find a way to stop him.
Rings of Power: A near senile stuttering old man dressed like a grandma, who barely even knows the basics of metalwork.
What a beautiful comment
Yeah I loved his character in game, such a badass.
@@runek100 Being voiced by Senator Armstrong was an added bonus too. I forever love his delievery of "Suffer me NOW!"
He has no fighting skill. That's what makes those games suck. They basically re-wrote the character minus the woke garbage. It's still bad writing.
@@elimgarak1127 "He has no fighting skill".... Bro Celebrimbor is inhabiting the body of a Captain of the Watch of Gondor. That's where the fighting skill comes from...
This is explained within the first 3 minutes of playing the game. Keep up.
Celebrimbor in RoP looks like a Hobbit to me. That was my first impression, started to think about Bilbo.
Acts like it too. Compare that to how the elves in Lotr behave and compose themselves, and the difference becomes clear.
They just don't feel like ethereal elves really
The whole behavior is like Bilbo, the way he carries him selfe the way he talks its pretty much the same.
Seems like they did a huge miscast for the actor
@@delta9915 the actor himself is fine not for this role but in general it is the script writers at fault here and the token hires.
@@tatfly5779 yeah
In the games celembrimbor really shows his feanorian heritage
Shadow of Mordor and its Bright Lord DLC did justice to Celebrimbor. They made him an elven badass and nearly made his combat skills almost on par with the elves of the first age.
He’s the only elf who is old in the show , despite Galadriel being older than him.. -.-
The thing is ... Amazon Show writters didn't know that
@@JD-bk4zi the thing is they should ;)
And this is the thing....his looks the actor's would make him more suited to play an aged Man or Hobbit...but as an elf....the only solution for him playing the Elf would be to cast him as Cirdan Shipwright....THE OLDEST elf alive so already appearing kind of aged, and even then....with this design it wouldn't work....they would need to make properly him look more ethereal, give longer silver hair, this aura of power and ancient wisdom and beautify him a little, make him look like badass, old but spry and strong sailor type instead of......this pathetic thing he is in the amazon show!
@@fantasywind3923 nah, he wasn't aged. He looked like a regular elf but with a beard.
@@Madi_Ernar with the beart he would look somewhat aged :).
"Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and he was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars, and he looked at them and bowed, and said: 'All is now ready.' "
Book 6, Ch 9, The Grey havens, RotK, LotR
What can't understand is why in Peter Jackson's movies the elfs have long flowing hair but in the Amazon production they look like late TV show host 🤷 And why is Amazon's Celebrimbor looking like a 60 year old human? Elfs never got old looking!
Well, it is because authors doesn't have a clue about contents of Tolkien's work. They didn't read it, they didn't watched adaptations and despite they also hate it.
@@user-nw8pp1cy8q 😟
As far as I know, they only Elf that should even look remotely older than the others would be Cirdan the Shipwright. I think he's the only Elf with a beard in the sources. That would be a pretty distinct feature.
They should have went with what PJ and the crew did on LotR for Galadriel and to give a sense of age through their words, motion and eyes.
@@LydiotGamingTV yep... Cirdan the only elf in middle earth made and not born.
@@alexiachimciuc3199 What's that gotta be? Like 13.000/14.000 years or smth?
Hey Celebrimbor after centuries of forging metals, have you ever thought about making alloys?
Celebrimbor: 😮
Mixing ores? You wot?
>how many kilos of steel is in that workshop
Guess elves didn’t even have bronze weapons and just went to iron.
They didn't make steel yet, but that's more due to the fact that steel requires extreme temperatures (like you find in a blast furnace). Dude would 100% be creating alloy. All that silver, gold, etc on the armor they wear is alloyed against wear.
1:34 As someone who just recently watched the Jackson Trilogy and who loves Tolkiens Dwarves very much I paused here to read the inscriptions.
In the Fellowship of the Ring I was perfectly able to read the texts in Moria for example and despite the Dwarven language not really being complete enough to write a proper letter it was always clear that those were actual words and with a little effort it was possible to work yourself through what the creators tried to write.
On this Amazon door here all we can read is total obvious gibberish. They weren't unable to pay for a nerd to do it properly. They just didn't care.
It becomes even worse when you realize they HAD a Tolkien loremaster advising them on the show...and then they fired him for complaining about how much they were doing wrong and refusing to listen to him. Pure hubris on Amazon's part, thinking they could "fix" something as beloved as LotR.
@@keiichi8191There is absolutely no proof of that though.
@@keiichi8191 lol they hired this guy cause they wanted him to stand around in silence nodding in approval at their genius
@@keiichi8191Madness. Madness and stupidity!
Yeah, but the hobbit movies by Jackson were truly awful. And there was a great deal to enjoy and love in the rings of power.
It's funny how this much-panned video game full of random extraneous fanfiction (looking at you, Shelob) treated Celebrimbor with so much more respect than Amazon treated the entirety of Tolkien's work. You really felt that this guy was Feanor's heir, in every way.
... Especially the violent ones...
The Shelob thing isn’t even that “random”. Ungolant, her mother, could shapeshift, so the writers decided to extend that ability to Shelob as well do that she could feature in a story as more of a character and less as a monster.
@@DovahFett It is random. And nowhere can I find where Ungoliant can shapeshift? It says she takes the shape of a spider, but nowhere does it say that Ungoliant can take any other shape than that either.
@@DovahFett
No, it is random. Ungoliant is a corrupted maiar that takes the form of a shadowy spider.
Shelob is her daughter, but is never described as a spiritual being at all. She is described and depicted as a spider. She may be old and powerful, but she is nowhere even close to the levels of Ungoliant, or else Sam wouldn’t have stood a chance.
Just consider your logic. If Shelob can shapeshift, why can’t her offspring? What’s stopping them?
@@atomiicpunk
Given that Ungoliant is a spirit, it’s assumed that at one time she could change shape, as all the spirits do. It is believed that the most likely reason she never did is because after her complete and total corruption due to her gluttony and greed, she lost the ability to change. She basically took on the form of her corruption permanently, spreading her corruption to her corporeal offspring as well. Shelob can’t shapeshift for obvious reasons. She’s purely flesh and blood!
What’s especially funny is that Shadow of Mordor/War are equally as lorebreaking with Middle-Earth as Rings of Power, but their story is still superior.
Shadow of war/mordor cuscenes had me glued to the screen.
Rings of power kept playing after i fell asleep and never again after ep4.
They turned elves into hobbits
They turned an internationally loved franchise into a joke.
Honestly I don’t normally say this but this show deserves to be canceled and its writers and directors barred from ever working in the film industry. Hell I don’t even think the “actors” are ever going to find work after this abomination again. Their careers are dead before they even began.
@@steakinbacon8593I only care for Durin’s and Elrond’s scenes don’t care about any others
They have taken the Hobbits to Elvenguard !
Tolkien's work turned into movies directed by Peter Jackson were like Mairon, Admirable One. But then after Amazon came and corrupted them, they turned into Sauron, Abhorrent One. Frodo didn't walk into Mordor for this.
You cant think of an actor that would play a character better in LOTR, in this massive letdown you cant stop listing actors who would fit better
@@wendigo7176 I had some of my hopes return to me when I learnt who they cast as Elendil. Then I learnt that Amandil wasn't even in the show and where they would take the story and I nearly had a heart attack.
well maybe nick cage as Aragorn?@@wendigo7176
@@wendigo7176 I really, really liked the guy who played Durin. It's just tragic he was put in a show with writing this horrendous. He would've been a great dwarf in a better show.
"One Elven archer is worth three Gondorian archers"
really? only three?
@@RandomKritMagnet one would think by playing the games that celebrinbor would praise the elves even more in comparison to other races
I loved Shadow of Mordor / War and the story branches they made. It was clearly fanfic, but great fanfic that we could all enjoy. A wonderful "What if?" of sorts.
Then Amazon makes this dribblepiss.
Why is he looking like a hobbit in this series lol?
good question 😅
his stutters feels like bilbo, don't you think? 😅
@@tama_ochi just one more of a countless number of memberberries that the show has.
Nailed it. He has far more resemblance to a Hobbit than an Elf. In fact he would have made a great Bilbo. So ridiculous.
Celebrimbor was the son of Curufin, fifth son of Fëanor and Nerdanel, and Fëanor's only known grandchild. Fëanor was the most skilful craftsman of the First Age, forging the three Silmarils to capture some of the light of the Two Trees of Valinor.
Also, Feanor was the most beautiful male elf and Curufin looked exactly like his copy appearance wise.
I remember when I tried watching RoP with family. I was super excited to see Celebrimbor more than anyone else because of SoW. Even though I knew it was lore inaccurate, I was stoked to see if he would be even remotely close to that badass, cool, stoic, wrathful being that terrorized mordor. When Grandpa Celery showed up every last hope I had for the show was immediately snuffed out just like poor Celebrimbor was.
Shadow of Mordor and War twisted the canon, but still had some resemblance or respect for Tolkien’s works. But RoP is like digging up Tolkien’s grave and taking a dump right on his face before doing the same to Christopher.
Ahh, the mastermind evil act of teaching the best smiths of the world what ALLOYS are!
Truely an action of a dark lord... what a genious manipulation... truely you see his dark magical influences: ALLOYS..
Half of what Dwarves knew, they learned from the Noldor. And they NEVER outdid them. They just mass produced it. Celebrimbor had THOUSANDS of years to master what he learned from masters who had thousands of years of experience at their craft. Plus he spent a LONG time making rings. The Three and the ONE were just the very last. Sauron learned most of what he knew from the Noldor.
@@xhagast I don't agree with a few points here.
1. Dwarves and elves had different specialities in crafting, Tolkien did not just put Elves simply higher than dwarves (especially since he hated the demeaning tone dwarves were usually represented in in other lore and media). It was Thingol, who ordered the dwarves work the Silmaril into a necklace and all other kinds of works over his elves. I would also count Telchar as one of the great crafters.
But I can understand your view as many of the tales/books are written in a pretty elf-centric personal perspective.
2. The last sentence, since Sauron (Mairon) was pupil of Aulë, Sauron may have learned quite a bit from the Noldor, but most of Aulë himself, you know the Vala of Smithing. Also the art of ringcrafting, Sauron learned from Melkor/Morgoth.
I don't understand the reasoning of this comment on just a joke about Amazon's shitshow.
@@lmr4403 My first Tolkien book was the Silmarillion and the Noldor were my favorite Elves. The Dwarves were good but Feanor and later Celebrimbor outdid them. The Nauglamir, the greatest creation of Dwarven craft, had no one maker and was made for an Elf(Finrod)with Elven gems. Thingol was a Sindar and his people but for Eol were not as good as the Noldor at anything. And even Sauron needed the arts of Feanor's grandson to make rings.
This stupid series makes a mockery of everything. The Dwarves barely made it out in one piece.
@@xhagast I do agree that obviously Celebrimbor and Feanor are the big guns, that later people of any race cannot compare to. Though those are 2 individuals in a story with already elven perspective (remember most is written in personal perspective form; so purposefully biased and flawed perspective). It is fine that you have favorites (characters, races, groups etc.), but your argumentation is overgeneralizing A LOT.
@@xhagast
As creations of Aulë, they were attracted to the substances of Arda and crafts. They mined and worked precious metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth. They were considered unrivalled in arts such as smithing, crafting, metalworking, and masonry, even by the Noldor. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of Aulë and Yavanna"
In the tempering of steel alone of all crafts the Dwarves were never outmatched even by the Noldor, and in the making of mail of linked rings, which was first contrived by the smiths of Belegost, their work had no rival. During the third age of the captivity of Melkor, the Dwarves smithied for Thingol; for they were greatly skilled in such work, though none among them surpassed the craftsmen of Nogrod, of whom Telchar the smith was greatest in renown. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Sindar"
They were also capable masons and smiths - Dwarven smithing skills were said to be unrivalled, and their masonry creations were bested by none. The crafting skills of the Dwarves were unmatched; they crafted objects of great beauty out of gems and metals. They crafted many famed weapons, armours, and items of art and beauty, among them Narsil, the sword of Elendil, the Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin and the necklace Nauglamír, the most prized treasure in Nargothrond and the most famed Dwarven work of the Elder Days. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Ruin of Doriath"
Just some stuff to back up my claims.
Haven't seen Rings of Power, only bits and scenes. But I don't think anyone can play Celebrimbor quite how Alastair Duncan did. The sheer power, wrath, pride and arrogance. One of my favorite performances in any game, and always the first version of Celebrimbor I think of when I see him mentioned anywhere.
Avoid RoP, it is poison. The game is VERY acceptable. At least, the Elves LOOK like the Elves we know. And they act like them.
celebrimbor a master smither and crasftman , in rings of power he doesnt even know what an alloy is, you can guess if the character it is accurate
To be fair, the game doesn’t really show Celebrimbor definitively either. The timeline in Tolkiens stories really makes everything he did impossible.
Name one good line SoM and SoW had:
The Arena Speech
Celebrimbors badass lines
Almost every single sentence
Celembrimbors "pissed" lines
The Bright Lord fast travel dialouge
The Line after retaking the Nurnen fort from Brüz
Name one good celebrimbor line in The Rings of Power:
@kolbywilliams7234 the middle earth games aren't canon to the Tolkien books, only the major elements are from Tolkien, obviously, everything else was Monolith
I like how ageless elves all age visibly, and all beardless numenoreans all have bears. That's sarcasm
I take this as proof that they did not even bother reading the material. Celebrimbor led a desperate resistance against Sauron's army sieging his seat of Ost-in-Edhil, pissing Sauron off so much that the Dark Lord desecrated his corpse and used it as a banner. Can you imagine this actor playing such a character?
Why is he an old man hes supposed to look young like in shadows of Mordor
Neither are canon, but I know which one I like more ;)
Yeah I love shadow of Mordor and war games
For real. Shadow series really did good on Celebrimbor IMO.
Sauron : What about heating metal ore so that it starts flowing like lava ....
Celebrimbor : What an intriguing suggestion ...
Gil Galad : All hail Celebrimbor who just invented ore smelting !
What do you expect Amazon to do with Fëanor’s grandson? Make him seem like a great elflord?
Guess it was too much to ask.
No , a lesbian politician😊
@@Hanzo2024I mean, kings are kinda politians, so he IS technically a politician
Caricatures.... even their ears looks laughable. 1 billion for this????
Probably wasted 60% of the budget on CGI shots and told the people who worked on practical effects and costume/ armor designs to f*ck off.
Taurduin Studios with _Rings of Power_ and Mickey Hawkchow with _Star Wars_ seem to have been operating under the same mistaken assumption, once summarized by JoshScorcher as "Popular thing is popular! Therefore, easy money!"
It's Amazon, probably tax evasion, money laundering
You're telling me that the greatest craftsman in all of Middle-Earth doesn't know about combining ores?
The games make Rings of Power look like a 15 years old tumblr girl self insert fanfic
Ring of Power also kind of forgot that elves don't really age. Not sure what the point they don't age in looks, perhaps around thrid years of age.
They don't age physically, they just fade away when there's no magic left in Middle Earth
Did anyone involved with the RoP even attempt to look up any of the lore of the LOTR?
Like it’s not as if there wasn’t an infinite source of material but instead they decided to go rogue, drop trousers and just crap on a script and submit it
The same can be said about the developers of this game.
@@lucasmuniz5263 well for who isnt a tolkien nerd book lore person the game is really good doing lots of shit and gags and fun to play and the stand alone lore of the game is quite fine and its understandable wehn LOTR nerds are not into it
I maintain that the writers absolutely did NOT read any of Tolkien's books, ever. When they said; 'go back to the book, go back to the book.' that was total bs. Should've been asked what book. I bet they couldn't name the three individual books from the trilogy
Can we talk about the VO for Celebrimbor in the game? He had such a noble and arrogant quality. The character just oozed hubris and you could see how even the elves could be tempted by power.
Celebrimbor in ROP 'Grandma is kind of losing her marbles'.
They made Celebrimbor old british gramma, because the hero role was reserved for strong female fighting character, namely Guyladriel. The game adaptation was not accurate but they captured the essence of Tolkien world, where the Rings of power created some soap opera bullshit with Tolkien characters for billions of $.
To say they “captured the essence” is a big stretch. I think I pulled something trying to make that fit.
Kidding aside, the games are just as bad as the show in terms of how it depicts the characters and events. It just doesn’t matter as much because it’s a good game, and at the end of the day, a game will be judged by how good of a game it is. Not based on how good of a story it has. A show on the other hand has to be a great story, or it has no reason to exist.
@@kolbywilliams7234 Well I had to be more specific. I meant the design of Celebrimbor, Annatar version of Sauron and their interaction. The story of the game was pure fan fiction, but there was a charm in it. Rings of power was just fiction, there was no love or knowledge in this production.
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I can see where you are coming from, I think I just disagree with the perspective that a lot of love was put into the games. From my perspective, it was a cynical appropriation of Tolkien’s world that was only saved because it had genuinely good game design and the fact a lot of people haven’t read the books. I don’t consider it fan fiction because a fan of LOTR wouldn’t intentionally get so much wrong. Sexy Shelob, her being Sauron’s scorned lover, all the girl-bosses, the over-the-top silly orcs, it all stinks of post-marvel copycatting and corporate pandering that is on the same level of “hello, fellow kids.”
If the gameplay wasn’t so good, I don’t think I could have finished it because I certainly couldn’t take it seriously. It is just as bad as the show in terms of story.
you are under any comment, shitting on the game lmao
Go shit on movies.
SOW can be a parallel reality. What IF. @@kolbywilliams7234
The over the top orcs was one of the most fun parts of the game...
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If this is the grandson of Feanor then Barliman Butterbur is a numenorean and Lobelia Sacksville is a Balrog
hey dont disrespect butterbur
It’s amazing how shadow of Mordor, a game which’s known for screwing up the lore while otherwise being a really good game still portrayed Celebrimbor much better than that show which I would rather not name.
Sow version of celebrimbor was the most lore accurate version of him to date. Even tho ppl saying its not canon they did him very good. Line of Finwe had long black hair, bright blue eyes and commanding voice to top that they were really arrogant. And take a look at Sow series and tell me they didnt do him greatly.
And they were all very great Warriors. Celebrimbor was known as the greatest Fighter of the Noldor in the second Age
He slayed 5 Balrogs in the War of Wrath
@@aranha6285 He was the greatest warrior, such a great archer and also the greatest smith? Was he omnipotent or something?
@@adviththegreat5610 compared to everyone else most elves are, some are even on per with the maiar like Glorfindel
Soo you're saying Henry Cavill would be a good cast bodywise??
I saw the meme a year ago and the first thing that came to mind was "look at how they murdered my boi"😢
celebrimbor is the best blacksmith in the world and didn't even know you can mix ores together then i dont even want to imagine what a normal blacksmith is capable of doing
They did the exact same thing to elrond, he's tall and fair with dark hair who looks mighty in both the worlds of men and elves, he's the very image of halfelf and the numenorean king elros, yet he's never casted as such.
RoP Elrond and Celebrimbor look and act like hobbits, not elves. It's so cringe how hard RoP f'ed things up.
When a video games owns your ass 10 times 😂
And the game is still something like 10 miles away from being remotely lore accurate.
Goes to show just how badly RoP did.
@@panther-nk2hn yeah but it's a freaking good game, and not some woke bad show!
@@PKandME just because a show is bad doesn't mean it's woke just means the writing is ASS
@@live10yearsinthejointreact80Usually you'd have a point. But not in this case. This one fits the criteria. The story was already there. They modified it for "inclusivity". They said so, in interviews and such. And you saw it in the show.
Celebrimbor, grandson of the greatest of the Noldor, and he's portrayed as some old dude who seems to be unsure of what he should be capable of.
I think the problem here isn't really the difference between the two but rather the concepts of each interpretation of the character. Celebrimbor is a character the books tell us very little about other than that he helped forged the rings of power. These are both two seperate interpretations of a character we know nothing about, but one of which is far more interesting than the other.
Shadow of Mordor/War explores the character in an interesting way, showing us his descent into tyranny and his own corruption, not by the rings themselves but because of his own ambitions. Celebrimbor, rather than outright refusing to make the one ring assisted Sauron in doing so, thinking he could use it to usurp him. Even as a wraith he lies to his only ally multiple times, betrays him, enslaves thousands of orcs and is overall no better than Sauron.
The rings of power, however, makes him boring and nothing more than the guy who forged the rings, and as others have pointed out, he doesn't even really seem like a master craftsman, the one aspect of him we could almost be certain about. In RoP, he's just there to make superfans go "oH wOw LoOk iT's CeLeBrImBoR."
Dear Lord, the writing in ROP is abysmally bad!
It really is haha
that's what happens when you let Amazon write the script
Shadow of Mordor/war were almost on the same level of garbage writing of that abomination of a show. This video is a joke lol
I don’t even care for Lotr or rather am not a huge fan but I played both games SOM and SOW Talion and Calibrimbors story was a fascinating experience he was everything I would expect from a guy who was one of the greatest warriors and smiths to ever walked middle earth strong, graceful, resilient, and awesome he hooked me into the lore of a series I have never watched or read. Then I watched ROP explained in 15 minutes or less and when Calibrimbor was revealed I was like “who da fu#k is this shy, skittish, goofy lookin uncle character” to say the least it was a sad day when I realized that the man I watched throw hands with Sauron like he was Muhammad Ali in his prime and only lost because the one ring betrayed him for it’s true master was reduced to this… truly a missed opportunity as even tho the games aren’t canon he was just so amazing in them.
I recommend reading/watching the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit. ROP is really crappy fanfiction and doesn't follow lore in the slightest. SOM and SOW are highly lore inaccurate as well but they are still much closer to the actual lore and better written that ROP.
Pretty much nothing in those games is lore accurate. Including Celebrimbor's story.
@@sisyphus349 correct, I myself literally pointed that out
And arent elves supposed to look young 😂
Shadow of war may not follow lore but it looks and feels like middle earth still and as someone else said shelob shape shifting isn’t that weird because her mom could
Its actually painful thats we had a billion dollar LOTR show and THIS is what we got. Imagine what it could have been.
this was probably some money laundering scheme with most money going to some pockets just like that
The pathetic excuse for “writing” in Rings of Power is an *abhorrent* stain on Tolkien’s legacy…and the miscasting of so many beloved characters?!? A good flogging for the miscreant in charge of casting would be my vote 🤷🏻♀️
You have my vote too for that!
Rings of Power is an insult to every LOTR fan.
Really wrecked me seeing how they casted Celebrimbor! I mean I know we weren’t gonna get the exact same version form the game but damn it’s definitely a great blueprint to start with
Rings of crap was the worst thing ever on Televisión
I'm the books, he was more blacksmith than warrior. But I like this version too. Badass for sure.
RoP Celebrimbor looks more like Bilbo Baggins than an elf
2:25 Sauron: "take him to detroit i mean mordor"
Celebrimbor: "NO..NOO anything but detroit..i mean mordor NOO"
He is a SHADOW of what he should be!
RoP is what you get if you take a team of writers who usually work on teen dramas and put them in change of an epic fantasy. Of course you get characters who can only talk about "who never calls". And "I don't want to go to military school - I want to travel instead".
The lore: "Elves don't age and always look faire and beautiful."
Amazon: "So here is Celebrimbor, this old ugly bastard."
Shadow of Mordor flashbacks were epic. Animated with such style it gave the game life.
They did my man dirty
Почему Келебримбор выглядит таким старым? Он выглядит старше даже Галадриэли,а она приходится ему двоюродной тёткой?😂
Я каждый раз помираю с эльфов в этом сериале, какой же кринж. Келебримбор похож не на, простигосподи, кузнеца, а на бабушку - разве что вязания не хватает; Элронд - хоббит, которому повезло чуть вырасти; одна Галадриэль еще как-то тянет внешне, но ее персонаж в целом вызывает желание приложить ее чем-нибудь тяжелым с первых секунд. Из всех, по итогу, больше всего по духу на эльфа тянет только тот шоколадный чувак из южных земель, но и там не без тупизны.
@@sofyashvetzova Да вообще кошмар. Ни один эльф не выглядит эльфом, кто этот каст подбирал. Так обидно, на самом деле. Гил-Галад, Келебримбор, молодой Элронд, такой потенциал был(
@@sofyashvetzova В этом сраном сериале был один настоящий эльф, Адар который первоорк. Который сыграл прямо хорошо. Когда он в кадре был остальные обсосы смотрелись ещё в пять раз хуже чем обычно. Поэтому его во втором сезоне не будет. Шоколадный эльф если честно тоже был какой-то хуетой, просто чуть меньшей хуетой чем все остальные.
Шоколадный чувак это переходная стадия от эльфа к орку. Художник чотко подловил плавный переход😂😂😂
@@starkscream по итогу Адар - лучший эльф в сериале
The elves in Tolkiens world are rarely stoic. They're constantly described as both wise, old and youthful at the same time, loving songs and singing and are very cheerful, yet sad.
There's almost an innocence to them, especially during his writings of the Third Age.
Didn,t watch anything from ring of power.. books have my soul... played the game, and loved it..
The greatest blacksmith of his time has never thought about combining different kinds of Metals. Fuck this show. FUCK. THIS. SHOW
That moment he said “I am the lord of the rings” had me in tears, modern humor has ruined me
I think the biggest crime is what they did with the hammer. In the games it was one of the most iconic symbols, alongside the broken sword, and in the show they turn it into a generic hammer that looks vaguely elvish
You managed to make the series good. congratz!
The people who worked on that video game could have made an excellent movie out of their methods used, though i don't like giving Sauron a voice and dialogue and don't like the voice used here.
They turned Celebrimbor to Celebrimbore
Nice
Remember that it was Alan Lee who initially helped us imagine Middle Earth and Beleriand. Those who say Tolkien didn’t explicitly say elves had long hair are right, but Christopher Tolkien worked so hard to translate his fathers work more to us and with the help of Alan Lee we were given canonical aesthetics for the legendarium. Sure, interpret the works your way, but don’t hate on fans of the works if they prefer to lean towards canonical interpretations which we were given. Don’t expect us to feel good about your interpretations of Tolkiens imagined world either, just like people who support this show apparently don’t care for or agree with the interpretations of the _actual creators_ of said world.
New season - Celebrimbor find out what a hammer is
Why do the elves look like hobbits?
To be critical of the games as well, even another ring of power would be subject to Sauron's control cuz Sauron is the personification of Ring Lore - the very being that brought the concept into the world back when he was serving under the god-being of smithing. Even rings forged without Sauron's aide but with Ring Lore in mind are still forged as such, and their power is still connected with Sauron.
Hence why the elves were scared shitless to wear and use the 3 rings they got (which Celebrimbor forged without Sauron being involved and thus they were untainted the way the other rings were) while Sauron was still at peak power and 'existence' because he could very much reach out and influence the wearers through those rings.
Thats why in the end of game celebrimbor was getting corrupted
yup, even if only mildly so and not on the levels of 'able to use the actual One Ring'.@@danknowl9488
Thats why only other Mayr can wield it. basically it was Creator intervention in his hymn.
Rings of Power is how I'd remember lord of the rings in a fever dream, like kind of familiar but really different and weird
"Isn't that odd?" said just as Bilbo did regarding the ring. yea he should have played a hobbit LUL
Amazon is a joke
I mean, did any of you expected anything other than full disrespect and the cheapest possible everything from the global capitalistic olygopoly that forces employees to pee on water bottles because going to the bathroom apparently reduces their productivity?
All I can think about when I see ROP Celebrimbor is that Gilderory Lockheart locked the real Celebrimbor in a basement somewhere and has been wiping memories left and right. He's not an Elven smith, he's still a Hogwarts reject.
I love celebrimbor from the shadow of war due to the fact he is like a younger version of feanor who is his grandfather