@@nubopgritty634 hey there, yeah, i know it's a fender rhodes. But it stays an electric piano with an organ sound effect 🙌 and "Buddy Rich Fender Rhodes Trio" seemed to miss the point of this video. But thanks for the comments. I appreciate the interaction with other music nerds 🙏
This is an historic moment. Buddy playing fusion, and actually hitting his 2nd FT instead of using it to hold his towel. I think this is also one of his best later performances. Smoking hot. Dying to hear more of it. Love live Buddy!!!!
@@TheEleatic yeah, the fun thing is that he's actually using 1920's snare rudiment language like he always did. He's first of all a snaredrummer like all of the Legends back then. Tony and Billy created their own new thing for the fusion stuff we love so much. I luv Erskine, Gadd and Weckl more for their modern groove oriented playing, besides the fact that all three of them are amazing swing players too. Buddy, like Gadd later just did his 'specific' thing and tried to embed it as much as possible in the latest topic. From danceband, dixieland, swing, bebop up to modern orchestral interpretations. You can always hear his new orleans snare vibe underneath everything 🤗 i luv that 🤗 but i luv Tony and Billy too 🤣
It’s called “Journey” and it aired on the Carson show 4/2/80. Find the Thom Rotella album on DMP, and Wayne Pedziwatr played it as a tribute to BR titled “Friends”.
The bass player knows what he is doing - the pianist is on the right track, too. The drummer is obviously an amazing player… but clearly not quite on the same page. It is difficult to criticise Buddy Rich without people getting upset, but this just demonstrates to me that he was a virtuoso in his chosen style of big band drumming. Not so much at other styles.
Really? The Dave carpenter that played with Alan Holdsworth in 1999 or 2000? Also saw that Dave with Herbie Hancock . He was shredding as much as Holdsworth and was amazing
That electronic keyboard sound was big in the 70s, but add here the world’s greatest ever drummer and MAGIC is created. Buddy not only has power, but great feel.
@@HopeIanHope: if there is a world’s greatest jazz drummer and I believe there is, I know his name,…it’s yes you guessed it…… BUDDY RICH!!!!…. Have a nice day…..”A-HOLE”!!!
He definitely was capable of playing dynamically, but I think going into his last couple of decades he just did what everybody expected and demanded a big check and he was sort of caught in that bag. I saw him play when I was a kid in the 70s doing some magic with brushes and he really Knew how to bring it down to a whisper
Although this isn’t a prime example of fusion, it gives me clearer insight than lots of other fusion into how jazz drumming informs fusion drumming, maybe because it's on the more jazzy side.
Perhaps not "prime" in terms of when it happened-this is about a decade after the whole thing peaked, imo-but up there with the other worthy efforts. Hard to find stuff with pocket that's still substantially outside / experimental.
Berklee kids w/ Buddy? Back in the '70s, the big band leaders that were still performing, regularly visited schools like Indiana, N. Texas and Berklee to recruit players for their bands. This worked well for them as the kids kept the music fresh. Also they'd work for considerably less $$ than veteran players.
Great Video of Buddy Rich playing funk fusion on The Tonight Show in 1980. For anyone that's not already aware of it, please check out Mike Clark on the song Actual Proof from the Herbie Hancock album Thrust from 1974. It's one of if not the greatest example of this kind of Jazz Funk Fusion Drumming. Thanks.
You are right! Clark’s drumming on Thrust is top top level! And it’s probably significant that he was the only white drummer who played in the band and with Herbie in general (except maybe Vinnie Colaiuta)
Definitely has that Herbie vibe and that bass player threw in every Jaco lick he knew. Not Buddy's style and he seemed to enjoy his own sound over the needs of the more intimate trio but that comes from driving big bands all of your life I suppose.
Great book. Also, maybe old buddy fans will go nuts if I say this, but buddy is really sort of trying his version of the Mike Clark linear funk thing in this video and honestly, it’s really not that funky. Buddy is still buddy and he was great, but funk is a whole other bag.
Are you saying you don't like Buddy Rich playing funk? Phil Collins said the other day on late night TV John Bonham was his favorite but technically Buddy Rich is the best he had heard. Flawless technique and crazy fast speed. How could Buddy possibly not play any style perfectly? As Buddy himself said " I've played with the greatest f******* musicians in the world!! I dare you to play like that around me"
I'm more a nelson and krupa guy but Buddy MADE IT HIS THING JUST GOES TO SHOW THOSE LEGENDS COULD PLAY WITH ANYONE THE GROOVE AT THE BEGINNING WAS NUTS,NO FUNK DRUMMER COULD BEAT THAT AND THAT WAS HIM JUST MESSIN ABOUT (IT DEFINITELY WAS HIS THING HE MADE IT HIS THING THAT GUY COULD MAKE ANYTHING HIS THING FACT)
Interesting. Never heard Buddy do this type of stuff before. He still overplays like Buddy, of course. I really think he needs a Big Band to push back at him - just Rhodes and bass don't have the power.
When Buddy played on the Tonight Show he was always featured and gave the audience what they tuned in for. Did Oscar Peterson overplay? How about Art Tatum. Buddy overplaying is a myth. Check out his small-group work with Lionel Hampton or Lester Young
@@keithrippey6282 That's a good point. He IS doing The Buddy Show, for the Carson audience. But it still sounds like he's playing for a big band, only without a big band.
This is my 3rd comment, but I just realized something. Buddy was very critical of some other Genres of Music, especially Country. On the other hand, he must have thought enough about Funk Drumming to want to want to do his own take on it. He must have been at least a little familiar with James Browns Drummers Clyde Stubblefield and John Starks, and Herbie Hancocks Drummer Mike Clark. Thanks.
A close listen and you will hear Old Buddy is playing the same old licks he plays with the big band. Great technique, astonishing speed but nothing new since 1940.
It's the same with John Bonham. Playing the same slop I heard at the first Led Zapruder concert I saw in 1940. And according to Buddy, Bonham didn't hold his sticks right. But Buddy did take his daughter to see Led Z several times as she was a big fan.
All drummers or name the instrument have a bag of tricks and more or less play the same bag they've been laying down for years. We've all heard most of Buddy's licks and bag of tricks for decades. We keep checking out Buddy because no other drummer does what Buddy does as good as Buddy!!! I mean nobody! So several times a year it's nice to hear a human being play the drums at that incredible level. @@williamkleitsch1153
Hey buddy..do you think you can play a tasty groove for more than 30 seconds without playing a solo? You're ruining my high with all that scat bada do dat be bop shooba doo POW
LOL! That sums it up for me! This might've been Buddy's foray into what he thought jazz/rock fusion is, but this ain't it. A fun experiment, but in the end, it was just Buddy soloing in 8ths and 16ths, and two guys trying to figure out where to fit in. Stick to swing time, Buddy.
so that bass solo/groove thing that starts at 2:10- Buddy drops out. I very well could be wrong- but it sounds like Buddy doesn't know what to play there....i know Buddy ain't exactly a 4-on-the-floor guy type......unsure about all that...
This sounds like three people each playing something different with no consideration for what the other two are playing. Buddy should stick to big band.
He couldn’t afford to keep a big band on the road by this stage in his career. And not every musician was prepared to put up with his idiosyncrasies. This sounds like a jam put together at the last minute with no rehearsal and they’d just met each other five minutes before the cameras started rolling.
Buddy is too much on top of everything with his rudimental machine gun fury. He never developed that loose time feel , ghost note, behind the beat groove found in soul, funk etc. The African inspired polyrhythms were a bit beyond his be-bop, on the one chops. He's trying to be hip here but it just doesn't work. Herbie Hancock would never have hired Buddy. It's possible his style would have worked in the fusion or prog rock idioms. So much of that music was very tightly orchestrated with drumming that was very demanding in complex time signatures but also very forward placed syncopation.
Buddy plays well . But not with notes . Very bad . Improvis. That what the boy just must by learning. Written robert van Zanten. Best drummer of the world
Hmmm, the only thing I’ve seen him do I didn’t like. He only had one style, and this ain’t it. And this just further reinforces to me, Zildjian cymbals sound like utter shit and always have.
That isn't an organ , it's a Fender Rhodes electric piano .
And notice how the uploader loved your comment but still has yet to make the correction the description.
@@nubopgritty634 hey there, yeah, i know it's a fender rhodes. But it stays an electric piano with an organ sound effect 🙌 and "Buddy Rich Fender Rhodes Trio" seemed to miss the point of this video. But thanks for the comments. I appreciate the interaction with other music nerds 🙏
This is an historic moment. Buddy playing fusion, and actually hitting his 2nd FT instead of using it to hold his towel. I think this is also one of his best later performances. Smoking hot. Dying to hear more of it. Love live Buddy!!!!
Interesting, but off the mark, in my very humble opinion. Fusion was more groove oriented-Williams, White, Cobham.
@@TheEleatic yeah, the fun thing is that he's actually using 1920's snare rudiment language like he always did. He's first of all a snaredrummer like all of the Legends back then. Tony and Billy created their own new thing for the fusion stuff we love so much. I luv Erskine, Gadd and Weckl more for their modern groove oriented playing, besides the fact that all three of them are amazing swing players too.
Buddy, like Gadd later just did his 'specific' thing and tried to embed it as much as possible in the latest topic. From danceband, dixieland, swing, bebop up to modern orchestral interpretations.
You can always hear his new orleans snare vibe underneath everything 🤗 i luv that 🤗 but i luv Tony and Billy too 🤣
Not a quintessential example, but yeah, it's fusion for sure.
He even switched to match grip for a moment
also, please note he’s using matched grip here!
RICH'S BREW? 😆
nice
Haha… 😂 That’s good!
It’s called “Journey” and it aired on the Carson show 4/2/80. Find the Thom Rotella album on DMP, and Wayne Pedziwatr played it as a tribute to BR titled “Friends”.
He died 7 years to the day of this performance.Sep.30,1917~Apr.2,1987(69)
The bass player knows what he is doing - the pianist is on the right track, too. The drummer is obviously an amazing player… but clearly not quite on the same page. It is difficult to criticise Buddy Rich without people getting upset, but this just demonstrates to me that he was a virtuoso in his chosen style of big band drumming. Not so much at other styles.
@@SAHBfan true 🙌
Dave Carpenter on bass.
Really? The Dave carpenter that played with Alan Holdsworth in 1999 or 2000? Also saw that Dave with Herbie Hancock . He was shredding as much as Holdsworth and was amazing
@@mikebassyYes Sir. From Dayton, Ohio. RIP
I never heard this before, never knew Buddy got into Fusion. This is good !!! Will look for more of this. Thanks !
I don’t care what you’re playing! I’m BR and I’m soloing whatever I want!😮
Ahahahah!! That reminds me that Southpark short clip played in Rush concerts, before Tom Sawyer. 😂
That's true! 😅
Sometimes less is more.
You’re nuts you have no idea what you’re talking about. Go back to your stink hole and rot there.
Never saw Buddy in this format... He's the THE MASTER! (& other players terrific, AS WELL!)
1:14 did not expect that much groove lmao
That electronic keyboard sound was big in the 70s, but add here the world’s greatest ever drummer and MAGIC is created.
Buddy not only has power, but great feel.
No one is the greatest jazz drummer and certainly not Mr Rich.
@@HopeIanHope: if there is a world’s greatest jazz drummer and I believe there is, I know his name,…it’s yes you guessed it……
BUDDY RICH!!!!…. Have a nice day…..”A-HOLE”!!!
To be honest, I find the other two players more interesting in this context.
It is a Fender Rhodes Stage Piano.
It uses a 1/4" guitar type cord to plug into an amplifier.
I got one.
I repaired a few when I worked at a music store in the 70's. Fender amps also.
Buddy always had chops but after watching six different videos I'm left wishing for more dynamics and subtlety. It's all drum solo all the time.
He definitely was capable of playing dynamically, but I think going into his last couple of decades he just did what everybody expected and demanded a big check and he was sort of caught in that bag. I saw him play when I was a kid in the 70s doing some magic with brushes and he really Knew how to bring it down to a whisper
Organ trios don’t have bassists. They have organs too. What we do have two great contributions of Leo Fender that’s still in the sound of our music.
Nel trio con l'organo, quasi sempre "jazz-funk", c'è una chitarra 🎸 al posto del basso elettrico.
Amazing, I guess all the trios with organist and bassists are actually something different. Bass trios, perhaps? Drum trios?
Leo gave us the bass... Harold Rhodes therapy piano was marketed to musicians by CBS after they bought the rights to use the Fender name.
Although this isn’t a prime example of fusion, it gives me clearer insight than lots of other fusion into how jazz drumming informs fusion drumming, maybe because it's on the more jazzy side.
An actual intensive comment. Lots of people here shitting on Rich because he doesn’t like Cobham for five minutes.
Perhaps not "prime" in terms of when it happened-this is about a decade after the whole thing peaked, imo-but up there with the other worthy efforts. Hard to find stuff with pocket that's still substantially outside / experimental.
Buddy and Jaco would have been amazing!! Both grossly overplaying together. 😂
Buddy is funky
Berklee kids w/ Buddy? Back in the '70s, the big band leaders that were still performing, regularly visited schools like Indiana, N. Texas and Berklee to recruit players for their bands. This worked well for them as the kids kept the music fresh. Also they'd work for considerably less $$ than veteran players.
Wow! Never knew Carson had any fusion on. Buddy Rich Hell Yeah but Fusion? WOW!
Keeping it simple, but complex and brilliant at the same time..
Great Video of Buddy Rich playing funk fusion on The Tonight Show in 1980. For anyone that's not already aware of it, please check out Mike Clark on the song Actual Proof from the Herbie Hancock album Thrust from 1974. It's one of if not the greatest example of this kind of Jazz Funk Fusion Drumming. Thanks.
True. Mike Clark set the bar pretty high but I give Rich credit for venturing out into Funk waters. Not bad!
You are right! Clark’s drumming on Thrust is top top level! And it’s probably significant that he was the only white drummer who played in the band and with Herbie in general (except maybe Vinnie Colaiuta)
Definitely has that Herbie vibe and that bass player threw in every Jaco lick he knew. Not Buddy's style and he seemed to enjoy his own sound over the needs of the more intimate trio but that comes from driving big bands all of your life I suppose.
@@dankenton Well Buddy was Buddy but like my old friend Frank says, “To much talking, sometimes you need to breathe
@@stephangagnon3121 Buddy's ego was too big for this kind of thing.
"Funk Fusion Jazz Rock"? That's quite a label! Only trouble is that this organ trio doesn't have an organ.
I wonder what it would look like if James Brown danced to this
A traffic accident.
MEDESKI, MARTIN, AND RICH?
I think the pianist is probably Ernest Vantrease
Person who posted the video really should name the players, not cool. Everything is about buddy, it’s as if nobody else exists.
Cool to hear Buddies take on Fusion.
Absolutely!!!
I forgot to mention in my previous comment that Mike Clark wrote one of the best Drum Books called The Post Bop Drum Book. Thanks.
@@michaelstevens8 i luv mike clark 🙌. . . That whole linear funk thing plus he's one bad ass straight ahead player 🥁❤️ just awesome
Great book. Also, maybe old buddy fans will go nuts if I say this, but buddy is really sort of trying his version of the Mike Clark linear funk thing in this video and honestly, it’s really not that funky. Buddy is still buddy and he was great, but funk is a whole other bag.
Anybody knows who's on E. Piano and Bass?
Do you have the video of him playing cottontail on the Carson show? I forget the year. I’d say probably 1975-1977. Something like that.
@Roger Hn hey there, i don't, sorry.
This is such excellent work.
Does anyone know the bassist and organist names?
Dave Carpenter on bass
That's not an organ it's a Fender Rhodes electric piano with some effects added to it. Still a historic moment in time for BR.
Fantastic 😍. Anymore please!?
@@bradshawvincent that's the only material i know of, i'm sorry 🙌
@jazzhole8208 😭
@@bradshawvincent i feel you mate 🙌
Love it ! ... Superb !
His small group stuff kills too.
A fun experiment, but not his thing.
That's true !!! 😅
Are you saying you don't like Buddy Rich playing funk? Phil Collins said the other day on late night TV John Bonham was his favorite but technically Buddy Rich is the best he had heard. Flawless technique and crazy fast speed. How could Buddy possibly not play any style perfectly?
As Buddy himself said " I've played with the greatest f******* musicians in the world!! I dare you to play like that around me"
I'm more a nelson and krupa guy but Buddy MADE IT HIS THING JUST GOES TO SHOW THOSE LEGENDS COULD PLAY WITH ANYONE THE GROOVE AT THE BEGINNING WAS NUTS,NO FUNK DRUMMER COULD BEAT THAT AND THAT WAS HIM JUST MESSIN ABOUT (IT DEFINITELY WAS HIS THING HE MADE IT HIS THING THAT GUY COULD MAKE ANYTHING HIS THING FACT)
Interesting.
Never heard Buddy do this type of stuff before. He still overplays like Buddy, of course. I really think he needs a Big Band to push back at him - just Rhodes and bass don't have the power.
When Buddy played on the Tonight Show he was always featured and gave the audience what they tuned in for. Did Oscar Peterson overplay? How about Art Tatum. Buddy overplaying is a myth. Check out his small-group work with Lionel Hampton or Lester Young
@@keithrippey6282 That's a good point. He IS doing The Buddy Show, for the Carson audience. But it still sounds like he's playing for a big band, only without a big band.
Go ahead, tell HIM to “stay in the pocket..” 😅😅😅😅🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
He can’t: he has CHOPS! Sorry, Ringo…
This is my 3rd comment, but I just realized something. Buddy was very critical of some other Genres of Music, especially Country. On the other hand, he must have thought enough about Funk Drumming to want to want to do his own take on it. He must have been at least a little familiar with James Browns Drummers Clyde Stubblefield and John Starks, and Herbie Hancocks Drummer Mike Clark. Thanks.
Any one wonder why jazz is never on mainstream tv anymore? Here’s your answer.
Awesome!!!!
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Engineer didn't seem to think that the bass was important 😂
Engineer? They’re playing live. Buddy didn’t think the bass was important you mean.
@RustyKnorr Maybe BR thought that the guy was good enough to upstage him and you know that wasn't gonna happen!
Incredibile Speed, Power, technique and composure. Also playing funk music. That was Buddy
Great.
A close listen and you will hear Old Buddy is playing the same old licks he plays with the big band.
Great technique, astonishing speed but nothing new since 1940.
@@williamkleitsch1153 true ❤️
It's the same with John Bonham. Playing the same slop I heard at the first Led Zapruder concert I saw in 1940.
And according to Buddy, Bonham didn't hold his sticks right. But Buddy did take his daughter to see Led Z several times as she was a big fan.
@@boblackey1 and your point is?
All drummers or name the instrument have a bag of tricks and more or less play the same bag they've been laying down for years. We've all heard most of Buddy's licks and bag of tricks for decades. We keep checking out Buddy because no other drummer does what Buddy does as good as Buddy!!! I mean nobody! So several times a year it's nice to hear a human being play the drums at that incredible level. @@williamkleitsch1153
And both of you are major drum talents yourselves , right ?
Hey buddy..do you think you can play a tasty groove for more than 30 seconds without playing a solo? You're ruining my high with all that scat bada do dat be bop shooba doo POW
LOL! That sums it up for me! This might've been Buddy's foray into what he thought jazz/rock fusion is, but this ain't it. A fun experiment, but in the end, it was just Buddy soloing in 8ths and 16ths, and two guys trying to figure out where to fit in. Stick to swing time, Buddy.
I have to admit you are right. Other attempts at this by Buddy were more successful.
Here is Buddy really laying down some very solid funk grooves: ruclips.net/video/1JupgyCgCIA/видео.html
Another example of Rich playing driving funk with the best of them. ruclips.net/video/eMOzh9aLAv8/видео.html
Still, Buddy’s take on the fusion sound. Comparing to everything else at the time is taking away from what he actually said and played.
Who plays the organ/piano?!
NOT an organ ! FENDER RHOADES ELECTRIC PIANO. Huge difference.
Gadd should have taught him how to swing and groove simultaneously.
Who's playing
Dave Carpenter on bass
Who is on bass?
@@jgsrhythm100 that's Wayne Pedzwater on Bass
I think it’s Dave Carpenter🤷🏾♂️
so that bass solo/groove thing that starts at 2:10- Buddy drops out. I very well could be wrong- but it sounds like Buddy doesn't know what to play there....i know Buddy ain't exactly a 4-on-the-floor guy type......unsure about all that...
Not true. Buddy was not a great funk player, but he was leaving space for this great bass player Dave Carpenter to do his thing.
superb ! and all this time it was said he hated this kind of music , if he did he's doing a great job of hiding it !
@@timwhiteside9971 true 🤣🙌
It sounds like he hates it to me.. No communication between him and the other musicians whatsoever…it’s a mess.
Maybe he should’ve used brushes on this😂
@@zivkovicable -you’re a mess!
I bet they hate playing with a busy drummer like that !
Not for that paycheque and recognition, I'll wager.
Organ?...
This sounds like three people each playing something different with no consideration for what the other two are playing. Buddy should stick to big band.
He couldn’t afford to keep a big band on the road by this stage in his career. And not every musician was prepared to put up with his idiosyncrasies. This sounds like a jam put together at the last minute with no rehearsal and they’d just met each other five minutes before the cameras started rolling.
😘 ｐｒｏｍｏｓｍ
SHLOBBA SHLOBBA
Not
for nothin'... That ain't no organ. Fender Rhodes piano.
Не его это фанк и фьюжн
Buddy is too much on top of everything with his rudimental machine gun fury. He never developed that loose time feel , ghost note, behind the beat groove found in soul, funk etc. The African inspired polyrhythms were a bit beyond his be-bop, on the one chops. He's trying to be hip here but it just doesn't work. Herbie Hancock would never have hired Buddy. It's possible his style would have worked in the fusion or prog rock idioms. So much of that music was very tightly orchestrated with drumming that was very demanding in complex time signatures but also very forward placed syncopation.
When Keith Moon died, Buddy Rich should have joined "The Who".
why the f these jazz songs hammer the hi-hats?????? all i hear is that
Buddy plays well . But not with notes . Very bad . Improvis. That what the boy just must by learning. Written robert van Zanten. Best drummer of the world
Hmmm, the only thing I’ve seen him do I didn’t like. He only had one style, and this ain’t it.
And this just further reinforces to me, Zildjian cymbals sound like utter shit and always have.
he thought he knew "karate" can you imagine him against even the lowest level UFC fighter.. LOL
but the cardio would be good tho
It’s always about Buddy isn’t it………selfish kind of player.
I hate slap bass, this sound is just terrible.