I use the Lachmann Shroud because it reminds me of the H4 Blixen from Warzone 1/Vanguard with the burst barrel when it was ground loot. It absolutely shredded. The only drawback is the velocity that makes it feel inconsistent, but the burst is no problem for me.
They broke rhe GR33 Light Rail this past update. They fixed the default iron sights by moving where the bullets originated down to match the iron sight. But since the light rail was already lower, that attachment causes the bullets to come out of the middle of the gun instead of the irons.
Yeah, I had to sacrifice the 5th attachment, which would be a suppressor or crippling power rounds for an optic just so the gun can be properly used. So dumb
@Tony Something to think about, it might be worth playing around with ribbon plots instead of line graphs in the TTK charts to show the estimated variance of the ttk for a given weapon at various ranges. This would get at that consistency argument you were talking about in this video with needing a headshot in the mix as well as factor in some of those accuracy estimates tool you talk about in the Long range meta video you also made recently. You would need to limit it to only a few weapons at a time though because the overplotting of ribbons even with low opacity will be hard to read.
The Lacerta comp, Komodo heavy, and TYLR8 comp (these are the horizontal comps) help the most thru my experience. If you check the stats they give you both horizontal and vertical control as well and I think some people think it only give’s horizontal
i think metagen scored the vel so high ONLY because of the additional rounds from the 60 mag. Willing to bet it would have been between the iso and lachmann if the 50 was used.
If your a pc player, the lachman shroud semi auto mode is king. Score should be an 11. I like to set my scroll wheel to fire and it turns it into a rapid fire death machine.
@@2809bigred rolling not pressing. Its a back and forth motion. Every mm increment rolled is a bullet fired basically. So its like rapid fire & totally allowed in game if you change your fire input to scrolling
@@Knice1310for me it's a lot more difficult to aim when using the scroll wheel and it just feels cheesy😂 also, you need to use both available keybinds for scroll up and down so you can't use any full auto guns when you have that set
Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but the niches for this game are basically S&D CQC weapon S&D Sniper Warzone CQC Rushing Warzone Long Range Automatic + others Warzone Sniper Support [more a hold-over from Warzone 1] Warzone Sniper I don't play i'm just fascinated by numbers. Of course there's variations on these based on playstyle, but are these good enough categories?
Another great video bro! can't wait to test out these SMG builds. My squad is going for a Nuke run so these micro changes may help in certain engagements. Keep it up brother
Nobody's using MP5SD (or Lachman Shroud for those that don't like paying licensing fees) because it's a burst gun and on a controller it's harder to reach that fire rate cap, because you have to press triggers all the way down. And since most players and content creators are controller players, they use what's good with their hardware, make guides for it and so the weapon remains unpopular despite absolutely shredding while spamming that LMB, because most players just copy content creators despite it not being entirely optimal. Same story with SCAR 20s (TAQ-M). The gun's absolutely goated with 3 shots to kill if you land one headshot and people don't pick it up because semi-autos are not optimal on controller. I've been using it since ever and MP5SD just fits perfectly into a loadout with it, which is good for me, I guess.
Hey, Tony! Does the close range meta factor in other guns that aren't smgs into the metagen calcs? I've heard some people saying the m13c and chimera could possibly compete in a close range meta but they are in the AR category.
Im the only one running the shroud as a long range meta with longest barrel and aim op optic. It annihilates ALL the riffles and lmg’s in range and ttk, has 0 recoil & its ads and reload speed is the fastest. Im glad people haven’t cuaght on to it cuz it would be nerf’d immediately.
@@hobojoe9717 bullet velocity means nothing if your not hitting all your shots from recoil. The Shroud has 0 - Literally 0. Plus I maximize bullet velocity through barrel and hp rounds.
@@abek1133 HP rounds don’t boost BV…unless you’re talking about through tuning? In which case you’re getting a few % boost at most. Combined with the long barrel that’s like 350 m/s at the very best, and that’s still significantly worse than even the base BV of other SMGs. Sure it has no recoil, but you can also flip your argument around and say that lack of recoil doesn’t matter if you can’t hit your targets due to the shitty BV. Maybe if your target is standing still then that’s fine, but not for a moving one
@@abek1133 Also I just checked the TTKs and it absolutely does not “annihilate” rifles and LMGs at range lmao. At pretty much any distance past 30m it has either a similar or worse TTK than some of the accurate/slow TTK rifles like the razorback or the TAQ-56. And it gets shit on by the Sakin, RPK, and Kastov. So idk what you were smoking when you wrote that comment lol
Does the 9mm high velocity ammo on the lachman sub/shroud make a noticeable difference in ttk ? Like more competitive with Vel or Iso up to like 20 meters? I almost have it unlocked with the daemon
I don't know what it is but I'm terrible with SMGs up close. I almost always lose if we see each other at the same time. But with hip fire pump shotguns it's the opposite. I win against SMGs pretty regularly.
i'm just wondering if it's a big deal to set up specific floating point numbers in tunings? isn't the best option to turn any tuning to the limit values?
Haven't finished vid yet but vel shows double overpressure and iso has 1mw and vlk. Will remove when finish vid if see you said something during this. Great work as usual though, I understand not everything can be perfect and the amount of work you put into these vids.
The frustration with IW locking some of the best guns behind HAVING to play the worst game mode, DMZ, is real. I have no interest in playing this dead game mode and don't understand why they're so desperate to FORCE the community to play it.
Any chance you would be able/willing to test recoil on PC vs Console? The Cronen Squall seems to bounce side to side way more on console than on PC. Most streamers seem to use high end PCs and the few console streamers I do see almost all seemed to stay away from the squall. Thanks for everything you do for the community.
@1OffGabagool You're right, I still use the vector, because I find it extremely fun to use it. Yet I get an amount of decent number of kills using it They need to buff the Fennec 45, they just need to make sure not to make the gun broken again
Using a burst weapon in cqb is already a turn off. Automatic weapons are more forgiving in cqb. The lachmann shroud may be good for sniper support though, but not for a main smg role. You're gonna get bamboozled by sweaty tryhards using an automatic smg.
Nobody is using the Lachmann Shroud because it has so slow bullet velocity that hitreg with the gun is awful and controllerplayers have a lot of difficulty with tapfire weapons.
Tbh I don't use Lachmann Shroud cause I am not interested in using that type of gun, I'd rather use a full auto/semi-auto gun or only semi-auto like most handguns
Not really, Im on console and I've been shredding people with it up close and win fights I shouldn't be winning like 1v1s against fire shotguns It's simply a high skill weapon that's why not a lot are hopping on it despite the TTK numbers
@@huiba1not when auto lock-on exists on controller. You dont even need to aim, watch jgod's vid on aim "assist" (lock-on) you just need slight stick drift on both sticks
@@Gl0ckb1tehave you ever tried controller? It aint anything like what ytbers make out. And 'JGod' is one of the biggest phoney sellouts in the cod community.
@@Gl0ckb1tebro stop being lazy. All the aim assist hate is misplaced. We’ve all seen all the videos and we play the game, so stop saying it aims for you. A dramatic stick pull of someone parachuting in front of you is only gonna effect like 1 out of 1,000,000 gunfights. In real close fights you’re strafing and jumping to break camera, stop trying to explain the game to us like you know so much more
Its a shame that this is what modern gaming has become. Gone are the days when you found guns/loadouts you like by just trying different things. when you just played for fun, sat blasting flux pavilion - gold dust through the mic while throwing meaningless shade on your foe's in the end game score screen. All this 'META' bollox takes the recreation right out of the meaning of 'Gaming'. I appreciate the work, dont get me wrong, but just like social media has ruined socialising, this type of content has ruined gaming.
it takes soo many shots to down an enemy on warzon 2, the game is just a bs generic arcadey shooter. In warzone 1 it wanst like this, you could actualy kill...
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I use the Lachmann Shroud because it reminds me of the H4 Blixen from Warzone 1/Vanguard with the burst barrel when it was ground loot. It absolutely shredded. The only drawback is the velocity that makes it feel inconsistent, but the burst is no problem for me.
I have had terrible luck with it, glad it works for you, I run the ISO45 hip fire build, legit lazzzzerrr beam, no ads needed even at farther ranges
They broke rhe GR33 Light Rail this past update. They fixed the default iron sights by moving where the bullets originated down to match the iron sight. But since the light rail was already lower, that attachment causes the bullets to come out of the middle of the gun instead of the irons.
Yeah, I had to sacrifice the 5th attachment, which would be a suppressor or crippling power rounds for an optic just so the gun can be properly used. So dumb
@Tony Something to think about, it might be worth playing around with ribbon plots instead of line graphs in the TTK charts to show the estimated variance of the ttk for a given weapon at various ranges. This would get at that consistency argument you were talking about in this video with needing a headshot in the mix as well as factor in some of those accuracy estimates tool you talk about in the Long range meta video you also made recently.
You would need to limit it to only a few weapons at a time though because the overplotting of ribbons even with low opacity will be hard to read.
The Lacerta comp, Komodo heavy, and TYLR8 comp (these are the horizontal comps) help the most thru my experience. If you check the stats they give you both horizontal and vertical control as well and I think some people think it only give’s horizontal
I wish someone would go this in depth with multiplayers current metas etc. Great work TGD 👍
@whosimmortal does
ty bro for parting in all this work, appreciate u brother
i think metagen scored the vel so high ONLY because of the additional rounds from the 60 mag. Willing to bet it would have been between the iso and lachmann if the 50 was used.
Bas P has easily become my favorite sniper support choice. Haven't had this much fun sniping in a while
How do you build
If your a pc player, the lachman shroud semi auto mode is king. Score should be an 11. I like to set my scroll wheel to fire and it turns it into a rapid fire death machine.
You fire by pressing scroll wheel or scrolling it ?
@@2809bigred rolling not pressing. Its a back and forth motion. Every mm increment rolled is a bullet fired basically. So its like rapid fire & totally allowed in game if you change your fire input to scrolling
@@abek1133lmao. I don’t want to hear a single pc player complaining about aim assist every again. 😂😂😂
@@Knice1310 you should also know the semi auto SCAR-H and M14 are the fastest killing long range weapons again. K&M W LOL
@@Knice1310for me it's a lot more difficult to aim when using the scroll wheel and it just feels cheesy😂 also, you need to use both available keybinds for scroll up and down so you can't use any full auto guns when you have that set
The P90 reminds me of Goldeneye on N64, that’s why I always love using it.
Thanks again!
Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but the niches for this game are basically
S&D CQC weapon
S&D Sniper
Warzone CQC Rushing
Warzone Long Range Automatic + others
Warzone Sniper Support [more a hold-over from Warzone 1]
Warzone Sniper
I don't play i'm just fascinated by numbers. Of course there's variations on these based on playstyle, but are these good enough categories?
Love the veil as a sniper support
New TGD video out: I watch and like it immediately. Thanks man!
Tony is a fellow Stargate fan? Maaaaaa dude!!! Tek ma te!
Stargate! That took me back lmao, love the content
I'm Japanese.
Your video is wonderful!!
I want to see MultiplayerWeapon's video.
17:16 9mm high velocity 100%
Like when did they add that on SMGs and how does the M13C not have high velocity and it’s an AR???
@@redhunnid5142think the m13c and chimera are subsonic weapons so they aren't allowed to use high velocity for realism reasons
I noticed in Vondel i lost a couple times to the lachgasballonnen sub with the shroud. Probably missed some shots but ye
Another great video bro! can't wait to test out these SMG builds. My squad is going for a Nuke run so these micro changes may help in certain engagements. Keep it up brother
Round me in if someone isnt around …. I play everyday
@@TTV_kryptic_gaming ye cool bro add me up.
@@ChilliSquid what’s ur tag psn
@@ChilliSquid psn
I'd add lachmann 762 SMG build to the mix too
Oh man should I try it next?
LMAO maybe for the meme of it, but it’s got too much recoil and the shroud still kills faster in the first damage range
@@hobojoe9717 for sure! Haven’t given the shroud a try yet
Bro the M13C kills faster than both the Vel46 and the Bas-P he mentioned in this video up to like 20meters making those guns useless
Love the video. Can't wait for sniper support metagen
Ice man Isaac did a sniper support video yesterday i think, just sharing info
Thank you tony
Nobody's using MP5SD (or Lachman Shroud for those that don't like paying licensing fees) because it's a burst gun and on a controller it's harder to reach that fire rate cap, because you have to press triggers all the way down. And since most players and content creators are controller players, they use what's good with their hardware, make guides for it and so the weapon remains unpopular despite absolutely shredding while spamming that LMB, because most players just copy content creators despite it not being entirely optimal.
Same story with SCAR 20s (TAQ-M). The gun's absolutely goated with 3 shots to kill if you land one headshot and people don't pick it up because semi-autos are not optimal on controller. I've been using it since ever and MP5SD just fits perfectly into a loadout with it, which is good for me, I guess.
What are your thoughts on the lachmann 762 that IcemanIsaac is talking up lately?
Bro, I like it as a smg but as a sniper support in ranked is a little crazy, still love IceManIssac
It's like shooting a gun, while riding a bull, in an earthquake lol
This Gun is ass im sorry
@user-kb2vi7kh1f yeah he was gassing it up pretty hard when there's stuff like the M13B and lachmann smg so it was interesting to hear.
I’ve been using it. Winning lots of one on one battles. He’s right
Hip fire iso build is crazy good
A lot of guns in this game have goo hip fire I don’t know why they don’t recommend hipfire builds anymore like WZ1 it’s all ADS builds now
Hey, Tony! Does the close range meta factor in other guns that aren't smgs into the metagen calcs? I've heard some people saying the m13c and chimera could possibly compete in a close range meta but they are in the AR category.
You can make a very nasty hipfire M13C which has a good TTK out to 20m and really good movement. I love it.
Do you have the build for me? I will try it 🤙🏼
They don’t really they are good but not great
Saw this 2 days ago! What a video!
Im the only one running the shroud as a long range meta with longest barrel and aim op optic. It annihilates ALL the riffles and lmg’s in range and ttk, has 0 recoil & its ads and reload speed is the fastest. Im glad people haven’t cuaght on to it cuz it would be nerf’d immediately.
I need to try it have only used it in MP or Close range wz. What attachments?
No one is gonna use it long range because its bullet velocity is one of the worst in the game.
@@hobojoe9717 bullet velocity means nothing if your not hitting all your shots from recoil. The Shroud has 0 - Literally 0. Plus I maximize bullet velocity through barrel and hp rounds.
@@abek1133 HP rounds don’t boost BV…unless you’re talking about through tuning? In which case you’re getting a few % boost at most. Combined with the long barrel that’s like 350 m/s at the very best, and that’s still significantly worse than even the base BV of other SMGs. Sure it has no recoil, but you can also flip your argument around and say that lack of recoil doesn’t matter if you can’t hit your targets due to the shitty BV. Maybe if your target is standing still then that’s fine, but not for a moving one
@@abek1133 Also I just checked the TTKs and it absolutely does not “annihilate” rifles and LMGs at range lmao. At pretty much any distance past 30m it has either a similar or worse TTK than some of the accurate/slow TTK rifles like the razorback or the TAQ-56. And it gets shit on by the Sakin, RPK, and Kastov. So idk what you were smoking when you wrote that comment lol
Thank you Dear Tony, TGD. 👊
I’m on the BAS-P right now. Snappy ADS excellent movement speed and a ridiculous first damage range. I feel comfortable pushing buildings with it.
Same. Ever since they started buffing it it’s felt good.
I need to try it again, it was ass last I used
@@Cody_4 if you’re a player that B hops for head shots it’s insanely good for clearing buildings. Or if you’re cracked with your movement.
Been to rocking the shroud and m16 got a solo dub with that loadout it rips!
Does the 9mm high velocity ammo on the lachman sub/shroud make a noticeable difference in ttk ? Like more competitive with Vel or Iso up to like 20 meters? I almost have it unlocked with the daemon
The shroud uses subsonic 9mm. It does not have a high velocity ammo attachment.
I don't know what it is but I'm terrible with SMGs up close. I almost always lose if we see each other at the same time. But with hip fire pump shotguns it's the opposite. I win against SMGs pretty regularly.
Make a hipfire SMG build
amazing
i'm just wondering if it's a big deal to set up specific floating point numbers in tunings? isn't the best option to turn any tuning to the limit values?
Stargate gave me the same special spot for p90s
You didn’t mention the Vaznev. It’s not good anymore?
I’m subscribe but how is the membership? Can’t figure it out? Thanks
what guns are good for DMZ
No tuning for the attachments?
So I noticed I have notifications turn on and I never get notified that you posted.
Haven't finished vid yet but vel shows double overpressure and iso has 1mw and vlk. Will remove when finish vid if see you said something during this. Great work as usual though, I understand not everything can be perfect and the amount of work you put into these vids.
what about the high velocity rounds new this season. worth using or no?
i been running the shroud i switch it to single fire and just treat it like a pistol not trying to get in a gunfight with it at 40m
Anyone here who says you wont notice velocity with the lachman shroud. Why you cappin so hard?
w content
Could you please add a category for the Lachmann shroud in semi auto/single fire?
Tony whataboit the shroud in semi auto??
Fire rate on shroud is difficult unless you’re able spam that trigger like it’s an automatic. You’ll lose every gunfight to an auto smg.
We need hipfire stats on attachments and also dual wield pistol stats.
no love for lachman 762?
The frustration with IW locking some of the best guns behind HAVING to play the worst game mode, DMZ, is real. I have no interest in playing this dead game mode and don't understand why they're so desperate to FORCE the community to play it.
Yeet!!!
use the lachmann shroud and lose three fights against a MP5 or ISO and you’ll understand why we don’t use the shroud
Any chance you would be able/willing to test recoil on PC vs Console? The Cronen Squall seems to bounce side to side way more on console than on PC. Most streamers seem to use high end PCs and the few console streamers I do see almost all seemed to stay away from the squall.
Thanks for everything you do for the community.
I have pc and ps5. The recoil is the same on 120 fov
Dude just stop the game and the recoils is the exact same on pc and console stop tryna make more excuses for yourself smh
@@orangecat1596shut up.
@@orangecat1596 I just asked him to test it. Everybody chill lol
@orangecat1596 exactly the same? So you can get 120 FPS on console? You can do sound EQ on console?
If the M16 killed a bullet or two faster it would be such a great gun.
What about Kriss Vector aka Fennec 45? Its fire rate is the fastest in the SMG category
Not that good, low damage per shot/mag
@1OffGabagool You're right, I still use the vector, because I find it extremely fun to use it. Yet I get an amount of decent number of kills using it
They need to buff the Fennec 45, they just need to make sure not to make the gun broken again
Should I try it next ?
Using a burst weapon in cqb is already a turn off. Automatic weapons are more forgiving in cqb. The lachmann shroud may be good for sniper support though, but not for a main smg role. You're gonna get bamboozled by sweaty tryhards using an automatic smg.
Why is the Lachman-556 high and the Taq56 so low? The Taq56 kills faster in most meters.
Ily Tony
Need Multi-player metas and sniper builds for warzone
Nobody is using the Lachmann Shroud because it has so slow bullet velocity that hitreg with the gun is awful and controllerplayers have a lot of difficulty with tapfire weapons.
Wrong
@@charleshawk6668hes right
Tbh I don't use Lachmann Shroud cause I am not interested in using that type of gun, I'd rather use a full auto/semi-auto gun or only semi-auto like most handguns
Not really, Im on console and I've been shredding people with it up close and win fights I shouldn't be winning like 1v1s against fire shotguns
It's simply a high skill weapon that's why not a lot are hopping on it despite the TTK numbers
It’s a close range gun brodie. Bullet velocity is not important
want him to update it look at 9mm same ttk as mp5
mm and the ftech siege?
i want the 1 year support....but only have paypal D:
Thanks Tony
Ill stick with the VEL
La tiza!
The lachman sub score is very low considering how good it is.
first LFG! Thanks TGD
you won an extra cromosome
Why on earth does it only take 600 ms to kill someone with a SMG?
that's longer than warzone 1, and because everyone misses like 30-50% of their shots the TTK feels way slower
@@huiba1not when auto lock-on exists on controller. You dont even need to aim, watch jgod's vid on aim "assist" (lock-on) you just need slight stick drift on both sticks
@@Gl0ckb1tehave you ever tried controller? It aint anything like what ytbers make out. And 'JGod' is one of the biggest phoney sellouts in the cod community.
@@Gl0ckb1tebro stop being lazy. All the aim assist hate is misplaced. We’ve all seen all the videos and we play the game, so stop saying it aims for you. A dramatic stick pull of someone parachuting in front of you is only gonna effect like 1 out of 1,000,000 gunfights. In real close fights you’re strafing and jumping to break camera, stop trying to explain the game to us like you know so much more
Bro cant just accept aim assist is overpowered and its aim is not close to good
Its a shame that this is what modern gaming has become. Gone are the days when you found guns/loadouts you like by just trying different things. when you just played for fun, sat blasting flux pavilion - gold dust through the mic while throwing meaningless shade on your foe's in the end game score screen.
All this 'META' bollox takes the recreation right out of the meaning of 'Gaming'.
I appreciate the work, dont get me wrong, but just like social media has ruined socialising, this type of content has ruined gaming.
well wz2 season 3-5 was way better than wz 1 season 3-5
gone the days where everyone runs grau -> kilo -> bruen -> akimbo snakeshots, diamati -> dmrs
@@terryjackson1 ya mom
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That Lachman Shroud BV is trash, and that messes up the hit registration on Activision servers. Defo not worth using on controller.
it takes soo many shots to down an enemy on warzon 2, the game is just a bs generic arcadey shooter. In warzone 1 it wanst like this, you could actualy kill...
Nah the fennic is meta
Please just sleep on the Single hipfire Shroud build, I beg you guys.
It’s trash it’s only decent if ur on pc
@@xo_k7595 Or trigger stops on controller, or using bumpers instead of triggers.
Is it better than the burst?
@@the_jtek5142 definetly, if you can reach 10 clicks/shots per second, it is about 100ms faster than the burst.
@@keeperrr96 I have triggers flipped and that's easy almost as good as a button push
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Stop map rotation.. new resurgence map is waste 🗑
Map rotation is nice but I wish it wasn’t forced upon us
All of this technology but he completely missed the best ttk gun in the game as an smg or ar. 🤦♂️
Why use overpressured rounds over hollow point rounds?
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