The Black Hole and the Authoritarian State
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- Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024
- The Black Hole is great example of late '70s sci-fi. A fairly dark story dealing with themes of authoritarianism, free will, and the nature of evil, wrapped up in old-school effects and kid-friendly marketing opportunities.
Indeed, "The Black Hole" wasn't a "Sci-Fi" movie but a "Haunted House in Space" movie. People like to point out the scientific problems with the movie, but Reinhardt gets crushed by a really big, flat-screen TV monitor...which is oddly prescient...
I had the pop-up book as a child (I was 5 when I saw this movie the first time) and one of the action items is the screen falls on Reinhardt.
The scene with Captain Holland walking through the empty crew quarters with the somber music playing hits hard.
This is an incredible scene. I wish the whole film delivered that scenes potential.
Event horizon in a way. Nuff said.
Dark remake? This movie was plenty of dark and disturbing, especially for Disney. It led to the infamous Disney dark age that culminated in the disturbing black cauldron and return to OZ
Also, I had the sleeping bag when I was a kid.
Event Horizon pretty much remade The Black Hole in spirit.
I saw this one in the theaters when I was a kid. "The Black Hole" looked like a movie made back in the 1950s, or early '60s. Everything about it had the looked an feel of much older movie, right down to the color saturation of the film they used.
Even Disney 1970s SF tended to be dystopian
The movie shares some major elements with Disney's adaptation of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea, a film whose themes of imperialism, technology and violence would make for an interesting analysis/comparison.
Now there's one I haven't seen in a very long time.
my grandmother took me to see this movie in the theater when i was 6 and it haunted my psyche for years afterward..
Man I remember this movie, I had it on VHS back to back with Watership Down, I learned to toughen up fast. xD Good video though, I came because you talked about the Draka but I stay for the personality
Great analysis and video. Nice to see someone able to look past this movie's obvious cheese factor and take the story seriously.
I imagine reinhardt intended to keep some of the crew unlobotomized, but well, these things happen. Which is why he is happy to socialize with them. And likely was intending on them leaving to carry his legacy to safety, back to earth. Immortality in the least sense.
Love this film. Always have, even as a kid. The darkness and horror, the american r2d2s (you can tell they are American, because of the guns).
This is a pretty solid thesis on underlying motifs in what is otherwise a standard Mad Scientist movie, except on a spaceship instead of a lonely island or remote castle. It was Disney's first PG movie and it shows in places. I think the techno-Gothic presentation helped there, and with Maximilian the brutal enforcer. It was a well-made movie though, and Disney had the salary to hire some good actors to fill the human and talking robot roles. But your exploration helps explained why it resonated with audiences instead of becoming forgettable fluff like Unidentified Flying Oddball and The Cat From Outer Space.
i liked the score - overture and theme, both
Please do 1975's Rollerball
Rollerball is in the lineup. Can't say when, but it's coming.
Well thought out argument. This was a fav of mine when I was a little kid.
I saw it in theaters and as a teen, I thought it was fine.
Kid friendly robots?! Maximillian scared the ever loving hell out of me as a kid! I had an irrational fear of some silent thing with glowing red eyes sneaking up behind me in the dark for years. Also, I thought the score was great.
All my friends wanted an R2. I wanted a Maximillian.
@@feralhistorian Had I seen it, I too would have wanted a Maximillian toy.
You don’t need a remake. We already have Warhammer 40,000, plus Event Horizon is pretty much the same story with more gore
Dude , you should have way more subscribers. Great work
I would love to see a prequel right up through the docking of the Palomino and Rheinhart meeting Kate.
that is one hell of a coat
Back in 1999 when I was in animation school, I wrote a remake of the black hole as my first year project in our screenwriting course. I combined the project with other classes, making character and costume designs, and a primitive CG animatic trailer made in Softimage (the precursor to Maya). I still think there's a lot of potential in a reboot. Back then I was leaning into a haunted house/zombie movie in space. I wanted to go bleak with the ending at the time, everyone dies. Dunno if I'd go that way now, back then I think it was mostly that I was enamoured with the ending to 1978's INvasion of the Body Snatchers :p
Good vid but I love the theme music, agree to disagree I guess.🤔 Some of the first LPs my dad gave me were 60's James Bond soundtracks so John Barry was already ingrained though.🤓
Whether one likes the Black Hole theme or not, it must be said that it definitely succeeds in heightening the intended mood.
@@feralhistoriannow that I can agree with.👍
@@feralhistorian This might be the right take. It's menacing and majestic I don't think I would listen to it in any other context but it fits the movie like a glove.
@@slygore Nicely put
I honestly think that the book adaptation that Alan Dean Foster did was better than the movie. But at least Slim Pickens played a good part...
you mentioning Event Horizon really makes me want to see your thoughts about the movie.
Superb analysis
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Amy's in the attic an my brain has gone to staaaatiiiiic
I have been watching quite a few of your videos, which I find thought provoking. I don't suppose you (could/feel like) providing more of a background on yourself and why you started making these videos.
I think an improv line in a video a few months back says it best. "I'm just a PhD dropout on a hill talking about cartoons." I've worked in industry too, automotive and defense on the manufacturing side and even a little in film/tv (on the tech side) way back. I'm definitely a generalist and very far from being the foremost expert on anything.
As for why I started making these videos? The first one was a belated reply to some friends. After that it was an excuse to get out and hike more. Now it's mostly just fun to think about these stories and seeing interesting counter-arguments in the comments is a huge plus.
The Black Hole sucked out any piece of creativity that Disney had.
I will never not love that 70s design.
It wasn't G rated to begin with was my first PG Disney movie in theaters. And plenty dark to begin with as well.
I think I was mistaken about the G-rating.
So... this is a film about Corporate America 😅
Corporatism is Collectivism and Collectivism is Socialism.
Sooo it’s Jamestown in space
Great video.
Which company made that coat you are wearing?
Thanks, appreciate it. The coat is Soviet Navy surplus that I picked up during the Fall of Communism Liquidation Sale of the early '90s.
Have to disagree about the soundtrack. It’s one of best and most recognizable soundtracks, imo.
Also, I think it’s one of the last that had an intermission score (I think it’s called?).
Heck, when they finally showed the first picture of a real black hole, the theme automatically played in my head 🤓
Still, you give a different perspective on the movie.
Whats with Event Horizon bashing?
Where's that jacket from? 👀
In 1979 America was not at its best, inflation was out of control, there was a fuel crisis, the economy was absolute sjite, we lost international respect after a humiliating failure in the middle east and we were really muffed with the Russians invading their neighbours.
You sure you didn't mean 2024?
Quite deliberate.
Trashing the soundtrack? First bad take I have heard from you!
The Blackhole theme is a polarizing topic to be sure.
3:10 Collectivist??? The crew was replaced by automatons built from the flesh of the humans. It doesn't get more corporate CEO wetdream than that.
In practice, it doesn't much matter to the individual whether they're being collectivized by a for-profit corporation or an authoritarian state. It's all still using people as feedstock.
@feralhistorian I appreciate your content but have to admit the bypassing is creating a lot of semantic noise, making it difficult to understand some of your points. However, I won't say that understanding is particularly critical. I like your presentation style also.
I can see how your use of the term collectivist does a couple of things that are good for RUclips channels. First, it jolts people who like me would not use that term the way you do. That helps with the engagement, kudos. Secondly, I think the libertarian streak to it highlights the negative side of authoritarian creep within collective goals.
I'm not sure I have a one-to-one code shift for your use that I can apply to each video and your future videos. Right now, it's just authoritarianism. I'll see you some additional nuance comes out as you continue to generate content. Please continue.
lol found the commie
Don't say "shite". It sounds super pretentious. Just say "shit" like a good 'Murican.
The man can talk how he wants, telling him what is or isn't good to say is the real pretentiousness.
NEIN ! 😡
@@SteveJ2824 OK, say "scheisse" then.