I work with AP racing calipers, I got to say they are top quality brake calipers! . I also work with brembo both are great! (just being honest) and I'm glad AP racing parts are getting the credit it deserves.
10:58 That "little rubber hose" has kevlar reinforcing fibers in it and Kevlar's mod of elasticity is ~150 to stainless steel's ~200GPA. I have had stainless on every car i've raced and NEVER felt a difference in pad feel and I've also NEVER heard of a "rubber" line pop off.
i never felt a difference either.. i think when the lines get really old they may degrade?? but that's a concern for guys who are setting up an e36 or e46 M3 as a track car 20 years after manufacture date.
i had experienced those stock hose pop out in the track.. it happened on my 400+, hp evo 3, luckily i managed to stop and not crashing the wall on front.. now i only use steel braided on all my car.
Camaro 1le brake caliper. I couldn't see that happening with a race pad and decent fluid. Maybe an endurance pro driver on the limit on heavy brake track. Those ap calipers are really nice. Thanks for all the info. Learned a ton from your videos.
Hi Clayton, Thanks, and we're glad you are enjoying our vids! The 1LE caliper was on an amateur driver's car. I can't remember the track, but there wasn't anything extraordinary about the conditions or circumstances. They were typical of what our customers encounter on a regular basis. He was running proper racing brake fluid and had race/track pads installed as well. We've seen similar issues on numerous cars. If you check out our blog, we have pics of thrashed OEM calipers off of an F82 M4, 991 GT3, Audi TTRS (gen. 3), C7 Corvette...the list goes on. Road calipers on the track can be a messy combo! www.essexparts.com/news-blog
@@essexpartsservicesbrakeexperts really crazy --- i'm an intermediate level driver with an SS 1LE and a dozen or so days on my calipers and stock tires. i get about 4 days out of my pads and 6 days out of my tires.. my dust boots have been vaporized for a while. definitely interested in the AP Racing kit if i end up keeping my car much longer... i usually only keep a car a year or so and swapping out calipers hasn't made sense because of that... great products here though for sure and would seriously consider putting them on a GT3 or GT4 when I get one soon hopefully. I'll have my wife watch these videos to justify the expense :)
We don't believe that is the case. To our knowledge that was the OEM finish and dust boots. Regardless, we see this type of degradation all the time with OEM road calipers when they're run on the track. Have you ever heard the term, "Brownbo's"? That phrase became popular due to the OEM Brembo calipers changing color after track use on the 350Z, Lancer Evo, WRX STi, etc. If you check out link below to our blog, you can see a set of F82 M4 calipers that have started to change color after only two days on the track. The outer halves of the blue caliper started turning aqua/green from the heat. www.essexparts.com/news-blog/bmw-m4-ap-racing-competition-brake-kit-prototype-installed This is not a new phenomena. Paint and powder coat simply don't hold up to track abuse over the long haul, and we've seen dust boots burn up in as little as one session on the track.
I know about Brownbo's, and I've seen them go completely black with the letters turning red (looked pretty cool actually, haha). But it doesn't happen as ugly as it did on these calipers, these look like someone took a torch to them till they turned black. My point was that OEM paint holds up better than a repainted caliper, not that its not affected at all. I'm fairly certain those are Racing Brake dust boots. OEM ones are black. That being said, AP brakes are badass. But a CTS-V caliper isn't as bad for the track as this video makes it out to be. With some track pads in there, its plenty for 95% of people that track their car.
Understood. I was thinking about the OEM boots, which the customer told us burned up almost immediately on his Camaro. The blue ones are definitely not OEM, but they didn't hold up either. The point with those is that dust boots are a waste of time if the car is regularly tracked. OEM paint probably would do better than aftermarket, but is still marginal (see the BMW calipers mentioned above). Much of the charred black on that caliper is cooked brake fluid. For some people, OEM calipers are fine. Others want the absolute best performance available. For example, we have a bunch of C7 Z06 owners pulling their factory calipers and swapping to our kits. Our iron disc kits offer a laundry list of benefits and only weigh as much as the carbon ceramic option on most cars. A Timex tells time just fine, but some people still prefer a Rolex for a variety of reasons. :)
Essex Parts Services, Inc. haha, yeah, we're on the same page with the Timex vs Rolex analogy. what I was trying to say is that the 6 piston CTS-V caliper isn't exactly a Timex, more like a Citizen maybe? Its not the best, but still pretty good. A Timex would be a sliding caliper...
Bob Last it was resprayed 100% (and it was made not so good). easiest way to see - brembo logo. it was cut from film (you can distinguish burned film on video), not printed like brembo calipers have from factory. we are using this calipers a lot for different cars, which also have a lot of trackdays. with proper rotors and pads they work excellent. i have them on my car with carbon ceramic rotors and pagid rsc2 pads - no color change at all (our own powder coating).
I honestly wanted those so bad, but unfortunatley they never even make a caliper for my car. I have a 2016 honda accord v6, which I'm building for the track. the car has a lot of power for the brakes that honda put on them. my rotors even cracked, and I wasn't even on the track when it happened, it simply suck. brembo does offer but only the gt, gt-s which is great, and gt-r however, it is too expenssive for a 4 piston caliper. so I ended up going with a different brand, which seems to make amazing calipers too, but I also wanted to try the ap, I was dying to have it, but they don't make for my car which sucks... so my set up now is 8 pot 380mm front, and 356mm 6 pot in the back
how much is the rebuild service. There are a few problems I can imagine...is when the brakes need to be serviced they would need to be taken off...and perhaps the stock system would go back on so that the car can be driven...and the stock wheels would go back on. But considering how long the brake system would last....the stock wheels probably would have unusable tires or no tires at all (sold).
+mikepartyboy The labor price for our rebuild service is $78 for a four piston, $88 for a six piston. New seal kits are roughly $50. So the total to have a pair of calipers rebuilt would be in the neighborhood of $250. So for less than the price of a set of racing brake pads, your calipers are back in new condition in terms of performance, and the same technicians who rebuild NASCAR Sprint Cup calipers rebuild the aftermarket calipers as well. We have customers that have had their Competition Kit installed for 4-5 years now without being rebuilt, and haven't run into any issues. It all depends on how hard you are on them, how frequently they're abused, and how rigorous you are on your maintenance schedule. Those who use our service typically do so in the winter when their car is down for other service or modification.
hello, when installed, the J hooks sign opening at 12 o'clock must point in the direction of travel or to the rear. how around do you have to install the brake discs, direction of rotation
Hey Godzilla R35! Great question, the J hooks will face towards the direction of the car. If you visit our homepage at www.essexparts.com , the main banner image is a great view of the J hook direction.
Hi, Unfortunately we do not have a solution for your car at this time. We have the M2/M3/M4 covered, but we honestly just haven't seen enough demand from the m135 market to warrant the cost of creating a solution. Please keep us in mind on future projects, and hopefully we can help at some point!
The destroyed caliper was taken off of a Camaro SS. However, we did recently have an Audi TTRS come through our facility who destroyed his carbon ceramic discs in two days at the track: www.essexparts.com/news-blog/coming-soonradical-competition-bbk-and-2piece-j-hooks-for-your-audi-ttrs
It depends on the car. We've seen dust boots burn up in as little as one session on heavy, fast cars with a lot of power and grip. Paint or powder coat can start to change colors in a fairly short period of time on such cars. Do a google search on "brownbo" and you'll see loads of examples. It also only takes a little bit of brake fluid to destroy a painted finish. It is nasty stuff, and you need to always make sure to remove it with brake clean when working on your brakes. If it sits on the finish for any length of time it will ruin paint or powder coat.
Thank you very much! Our systems retail for the same price most of our competitors charge for their systems based on road car parts. With our brake kits, you get the latest cutting edge technology from pure racing, and a laundry list of benefits none of our competitors even offer in their products at ANY price...particularly for our AP Racing Radi-CAL systems.
Anti-squeal brake paste is fine for daily driven pads, and addresses vibrations of certain frequencies. We don't recommend it for high temperature applications however, such as those seen on a racetrack. When you heat the paste up, it burns, cooks, and creates a huge sticky mess!
Essex Parts Services, Inc. Würth is resistant to 1100°C. id never use anything else. im quite sure if your pads and calipers hest to thst extent, things will fail. if it goes higher. 1500°C, your piston will also melt
I work with AP racing calipers, I got to say they are top quality brake calipers! . I also work with brembo both are great! (just being honest) and I'm glad AP racing parts are getting the credit it deserves.
10:58 That "little rubber hose" has kevlar reinforcing fibers in it and Kevlar's mod of elasticity is ~150 to stainless steel's ~200GPA. I have had stainless on every car i've raced and NEVER felt a difference in pad feel and I've also NEVER heard of a "rubber" line pop off.
i never felt a difference either.. i think when the lines get really old they may degrade?? but that's a concern for guys who are setting up an e36 or e46 M3 as a track car 20 years after manufacture date.
i had experienced those stock hose pop out in the track.. it happened on my 400+, hp evo 3, luckily i managed to stop and not crashing the wall on front.. now i only use steel braided on all my car.
Very informative video thank you
Camaro 1le brake caliper. I couldn't see that happening with a race pad and decent fluid. Maybe an endurance pro driver on the limit on heavy brake track. Those ap calipers are really nice. Thanks for all the info. Learned a ton from your videos.
Hi Clayton,
Thanks, and we're glad you are enjoying our vids! The 1LE caliper was on an amateur driver's car. I can't remember the track, but there wasn't anything extraordinary about the conditions or circumstances. They were typical of what our customers encounter on a regular basis. He was running proper racing brake fluid and had race/track pads installed as well. We've seen similar issues on numerous cars. If you check out our blog, we have pics of thrashed OEM calipers off of an F82 M4, 991 GT3, Audi TTRS (gen. 3), C7 Corvette...the list goes on. Road calipers on the track can be a messy combo!
www.essexparts.com/news-blog
@@essexpartsservicesbrakeexperts really crazy --- i'm an intermediate level driver with an SS 1LE and a dozen or so days on my calipers and stock tires. i get about 4 days out of my pads and 6 days out of my tires.. my dust boots have been vaporized for a while. definitely interested in the AP Racing kit if i end up keeping my car much longer... i usually only keep a car a year or so and swapping out calipers hasn't made sense because of that... great products here though for sure and would seriously consider putting them on a GT3 or GT4 when I get one soon hopefully. I'll have my wife watch these videos to justify the expense :)
that oem caliper has been repainted. the oem paint holds up much better... pretty sure those dust boots aren't oem either
We don't believe that is the case. To our knowledge that was the OEM finish and dust boots. Regardless, we see this type of degradation all the time with OEM road calipers when they're run on the track. Have you ever heard the term, "Brownbo's"? That phrase became popular due to the OEM Brembo calipers changing color after track use on the 350Z, Lancer Evo, WRX STi, etc. If you check out link below to our blog, you can see a set of F82 M4 calipers that have started to change color after only two days on the track. The outer halves of the blue caliper started turning aqua/green from the heat. www.essexparts.com/news-blog/bmw-m4-ap-racing-competition-brake-kit-prototype-installed
This is not a new phenomena. Paint and powder coat simply don't hold up to track abuse over the long haul, and we've seen dust boots burn up in as little as one session on the track.
I know about Brownbo's, and I've seen them go completely black with the letters turning red (looked pretty cool actually, haha). But it doesn't happen as ugly as it did on these calipers, these look like someone took a torch to them till they turned black. My point was that OEM paint holds up better than a repainted caliper, not that its not affected at all.
I'm fairly certain those are Racing Brake dust boots. OEM ones are black.
That being said, AP brakes are badass. But a CTS-V caliper isn't as bad for the track as this video makes it out to be. With some track pads in there, its plenty for 95% of people that track their car.
Understood. I was thinking about the OEM boots, which the customer told us burned up almost immediately on his Camaro. The blue ones are definitely not OEM, but they didn't hold up either. The point with those is that dust boots are a waste of time if the car is regularly tracked.
OEM paint probably would do better than aftermarket, but is still marginal (see the BMW calipers mentioned above). Much of the charred black on that caliper is cooked brake fluid. For some people, OEM calipers are fine. Others want the absolute best performance available. For example, we have a bunch of C7 Z06 owners pulling their factory calipers and swapping to our kits. Our iron disc kits offer a laundry list of benefits and only weigh as much as the carbon ceramic option on most cars. A Timex tells time just fine, but some people still prefer a Rolex for a variety of reasons. :)
Essex Parts Services, Inc. haha, yeah, we're on the same page with the Timex vs Rolex analogy. what I was trying to say is that the 6 piston CTS-V caliper isn't exactly a Timex, more like a Citizen maybe? Its not the best, but still pretty good. A Timex would be a sliding caliper...
Bob Last it was resprayed 100% (and it was made not so good). easiest way to see - brembo logo. it was cut from film (you can distinguish burned film on video), not printed like brembo calipers have from factory.
we are using this calipers a lot for different cars, which also have a lot of trackdays. with proper rotors and pads they work excellent.
i have them on my car with carbon ceramic rotors and pagid rsc2 pads - no color change at all (our own powder coating).
I honestly wanted those so bad, but unfortunatley they never even make a caliper for my car. I have a 2016 honda accord v6, which I'm building for the track. the car has a lot of power for the brakes that honda put on them. my rotors even cracked, and I wasn't even on the track when it happened, it simply suck. brembo does offer but only the gt, gt-s which is great, and gt-r however, it is too expenssive for a 4 piston caliper. so I ended up going with a different brand, which seems to make amazing calipers too, but I also wanted to try the ap, I was dying to have it, but they don't make for my car which sucks... so my set up now is 8 pot 380mm front, and 356mm 6 pot in the back
how much is the rebuild service. There are a few problems I can imagine...is when the brakes need to be serviced they would need to be taken off...and perhaps the stock system would go back on so that the car can be driven...and the stock wheels would go back on. But considering how long the brake system would last....the stock wheels probably would have unusable tires or no tires at all (sold).
+mikepartyboy The labor price for our rebuild service is $78 for a four piston, $88 for a six piston. New seal kits are roughly $50. So the total to have a pair of calipers rebuilt would be in the neighborhood of $250. So for less than the price of a set of racing brake pads, your calipers are back in new condition in terms of performance, and the same technicians who rebuild NASCAR Sprint Cup calipers rebuild the aftermarket calipers as well.
We have customers that have had their Competition Kit installed for 4-5 years now without being rebuilt, and haven't run into any issues. It all depends on how hard you are on them, how frequently they're abused, and how rigorous you are on your maintenance schedule. Those who use our service typically do so in the winter when their car is down for other service or modification.
@@essexpartsservicesbrakeexperts
Do you guys also rebuild Brembo calipers? Or just AP?
hello, when installed, the J hooks sign opening at 12 o'clock must point in the direction of travel or to the rear. how around do you have to install the brake discs, direction of rotation
Hey Godzilla R35! Great question, the J hooks will face towards the direction of the car. If you visit our homepage at www.essexparts.com , the main banner image is a great view of the J hook direction.
Crazy because AP racings name is stamped all over those very same six piston calipers look them up
What calipers are you referring to?
How do I ger one?
Bmw f20 m135 xdrive
Hi, Unfortunately we do not have a solution for your car at this time. We have the M2/M3/M4 covered, but we honestly just haven't seen enough demand from the m135 market to warrant the cost of creating a solution. Please keep us in mind on future projects, and hopefully we can help at some point!
Is the destroyed rotor off an audi?
The destroyed caliper was taken off of a Camaro SS. However, we did recently have an Audi TTRS come through our facility who destroyed his carbon ceramic discs in two days at the track: www.essexparts.com/news-blog/coming-soonradical-competition-bbk-and-2piece-j-hooks-for-your-audi-ttrs
It's a little unfair to compare a road caliper to a race caliper.
There on Hyper car Koenigsegg CCX
AP Racing brakes come from the factory on some of the world's top supercars and hypercars! The Bugatti Chiron is another good example.
Honestly, how hard do you have to push a car for this to happen?
It depends on the car. We've seen dust boots burn up in as little as one session on heavy, fast cars with a lot of power and grip. Paint or powder coat can start to change colors in a fairly short period of time on such cars. Do a google search on "brownbo" and you'll see loads of examples. It also only takes a little bit of brake fluid to destroy a painted finish. It is nasty stuff, and you need to always make sure to remove it with brake clean when working on your brakes. If it sits on the finish for any length of time it will ruin paint or powder coat.
Truth, brembo OEM one will bad after 1-2years if you play on the track, if you only love Brembo, get brembo GTR and easily go up to $8000 or higher
Thank you very much! Our systems retail for the same price most of our competitors charge for their systems based on road car parts. With our brake kits, you get the latest cutting edge technology from pure racing, and a laundry list of benefits none of our competitors even offer in their products at ANY price...particularly for our AP Racing Radi-CAL systems.
From a race standpoint AP is superior, no question but you guys couldn't even bother to find a new caliper for your video? GET OUTTA HERE!
Hey Noah, in this video we were using the used caliper as an example of wear and heavy use.
racing heavy weighted cars. typical.
probably no correct use of brake paste either
Anti-squeal brake paste is fine for daily driven pads, and addresses vibrations of certain frequencies. We don't recommend it for high temperature applications however, such as those seen on a racetrack. When you heat the paste up, it burns, cooks, and creates a huge sticky mess!
Essex Parts Services, Inc. Würth is resistant to 1100°C. id never use anything else. im quite sure if your pads and calipers hest to thst extent, things will fail. if it goes higher. 1500°C, your piston will also melt