Not to mention Fortify+ which basically heals all units to full on the map and removes all status effects. It's a big deal. Veronica is over tuned, brings too much to the table. Her summon ability is the LEAST of her abilities tbh.
You disrespecting mah boi Hector. 😤 Things to take into consideration for Hector: Piercing Gaze: being able to completely wall off an entire path with only 1 unit compared to 2-3 units is very strong. Signature Weapons: Wolf Beil is definitely one of the strongest effectiveness weapons in the game. While there ARE other dual effectiveness weapons, WB is on a very much enemy phase Emblem Ring. Armads adds a whopping +5 defense, making even semi frail units more durable and its bonus defense stacks with his Impenetrable passive, give Armads Tamerra a try cause if you think her Sandstorm is nasty now you haven’t seen JACK. Rune Sword is also pretty good for drain tanking if you’re using it on someone like Céline or a Sword Power Diamant. Quick Riposte: I don’t think you gave this ability as much credit as it deserves. Ensuring a follow-up attack regardless of your speed stat is a very powerful tool. Yes, it doesn’t work on heavy weapons, but give something slow but hits hard like a General the ability to do follow-up is a very potent tool. Yes, it’s limited by health%, but there are plenty of workarounds to that. Storm’s Eye: you gave most Engage Skills consideration, but you didn’t even mention this one and it’s probably one of the better ones. It’s just like Quick Riposte, but it removes the health requirement and makes it so your unit can’t be broken, probably one of the STRONGEST enemy phase tools in the game because it doesn’t matter how good your enemy phasing is if you’re broken. Impenetrable: this is both better and worse than Laguz Friend from Ike. Ike’s is better than Hector’s if your defensive stats are low, but offers no real advantage at higher stats. But Impenetrable has an advantage that enemies will still attack even if they deal zero damage as long as they don’t do 0 damage before impenetrable. Meaning you can get benefits that otherwise wouldn’t be possible. Not to mention it makes Temerra even scarier.
Storm's Eye does nothing on maddening. Enemies won't attack your unit at all. Most of what you said is true, but quick riposte sucks because if your speed is trash you're getting doubled by everything and this is an enemy phase Game, not a player phase game so getting to double doesn't really matter much compared to not being doubled. I think Hector is better than Leif, Celica, maybe some others. But with so many powerful emblems there's a lot of competition for a deploy slot. I ran Hector mostly on Kagetsu Wyvern and was happy with the passive stats, defensive boost, and engage weapons. But most of Hector's abilities just don't really matter and I think that's the bigger issue.
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 you can use soren's assign decoy to force-feed enemies to your hector unit. i think the decoy thing caps at something like 3 per turn but you can still do some very funny things this way
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 Don't put it on an armored unit like Louie and it should be fine. I typically run Hector on Diamant, and Sol helps him to stay in Quick Riposte range as his defense is high enough to take small amounts of damage anyway. Backup units gain a crit bonus during Storm's Eye as well. It basically functions like Great Aether, while trading some safety for more kill power, and it's not as reliant on Pair Up like Great Aether users are, so you could run another skill.(I run a skill that gives Dex+5 to make Sol more reliable).
Only unit I've seriously used Hector on is Timerra, and she was a great tank for me. Most people just keep Ike on her, but since Panette also wants Ike, I inherit Ike's skills onto her to compensate (Resolve, Defense+). This doubles down on her defense for bigger Sandstorms, makes use of her low build with Heavy Attack, and Quick Riposte fixes her doubling problem that comes with it.
Glad to see Lucina in S. Some of your most entertaining content has been deathball-style comps with damage reduction/mitigation on adjacent allies as you slowly move around the map, bulldozing everything in your path.
I think with some of the DLC the use of utility emblems drops and combat emblems rises just because you are overleveled, you tend to end up able to have 1 to 3 units thats able to flatout charge the enemy line without any assistance and able to emblem phase entire map. And in that aspect emblems that are able to self heal or just do insane amount of damage like eirika really start to shine.
Jean is a monster lol easily my best unit made him an axe and promoted to berserker health pool and defense is so crazy with the ike ring i literally clear boses no problem
Speaking of losing Engage and being able to get it back, it bugs me that the extra turn of Engage is unlocked _before_ the shortened Engage meter. It's practically a nerf; it actually just means that you have to wait longer before you can use another Engage attack. Anyway, Ike is definitely up there, for sure. Through the early- and middlegame, i didn't actually have assigned emblems for my units because they would switch up in order to gain bond levels. It wasn't until getting to Elusia Castle that the emblems started being assigned to specific units, and my Warrior Ike!Boucheron was absolutely the MVP for the endgame of my first maddening run. On the final map he was getting 100% crit rates on enemies with his Corrin engraved Killer Bow thanks to Wrath. And Great Aethers with Silver Greataxe are nuts. Lucina is definitely up there too. And not even for Bonded Shield because i hardly ever even used it. Granting Chain Attacks is already pretty strong, but Dual Support is where it's really at. Lucina was practically perfect for Hortensia; not only does she give dex which means more World Tree triggers, but Chain Attacks give her much more reliable dmg output. And Dual Support is probably the most reliable way to keep her alive. Corrin!Alear is crazy strong. Having access to all Dragon Veins is definitely OP. I kinda feel like Eirika was made to be used with Arts. Arts are the easiest weapon to quad with, and also boosting mag increases dmg with Arts anyway. I didn't even bother to kill all the Dark Emblems; i killed 3 out of the first 4 and then just brute forced my way through Sombron's shield using Eirika!Framme wielding the Silver Art supported by Corrin!Alear dropping Vein of Fog so Sombron had terrible accuracy on counterattack. It's also funny watching Framme just melt enemy armors with her fists. Getting 5 free levels while Engaged with Roy is very good. The AOE attack that also hinders enemy movement is a nice bonus. Very nice on Mage Knight Clanne. I feel like Leif only excels at making already tanky units tankier. Which is still useful, don't get me wrong, he was a great fit on Goldmary. He just seems to not have as much flexibility as other Emblems. Thyrsus was super useful on Byleth!Lindon. Lyn!Alfred was definitely the MVP for the final map specifically, though. He was able to fend off 4-5 enemies by himself on EP (including those annoying Thieves), which really came in clutch for keeping the rest of my units safe from all the reinforcements. Those were my most noteworthy experiences with Emblems from my first maddening run. The rest of my endgame team was Micaiah!Seadall, Celica!Rosado, Lance Bow Knight Sigurd!Etie, and Royal Knight Marth!Vander. On a side note: raising both res and lck is useful because that significantly boosts your avo vs enemy staves.
Honestly I put veronica in God Tier for breaking the SP system. If you get her early you can do insane shit with your hard carries with all the sp they will get.
Reprisal+ SP farming Fortify+ heals/cures entire field contract is another dance while engaged also can summon a meat shield whenever Also has a nice engage weapon that CANNOT be counter attacked Veronica could only have HALF of what she has and still be A tier but with all THAT she's clearly S tier.
You are spot-on for non-DLC, but a bit off for the DLC emblems. I have Veronica on my Alear since I have Hortensia benched in this run. Fortify+ is fantastic. It's like having Mercedes on the roster again with AoE heals on tap. Reprisal is nice and I've seen builds around it, but I like the multiple mass emergency heals that don't put your healer down to 1 HP like Micaiah. Soren is definitely top tier, but mostly because he can solo a choke point on a map. He gives the ability to heal based on the damage done. So putting a mage that can take a single hit against a flyer when wielding Rexcaliber means you can easily take out a pack of fliers on enemy phase by yourself. Chrom is fantastic for mixed attackers. I have him on Zelestia who is taking over my Ivy role. Because she doubles, that means each attack is suddenly doing +10 damage as well. I've been able to kill literally everything in one round that I've come across on Maddening with that. But I have two chapters to go. Hector is also the other one I think should be in at least S or A tier. I use that on my main tanks. Piercing Glare means you can declare positioning in wide areas or in choke points. Heavy Attack does a ton of damage with Silver Great weapons, or with spears. But Quick Riposte is my favorite as it means you are constantly chipping away at the enemy on enemy phase. Goldmary with Brionic was fantastic with it, but my Timerra is much faster this time and doesn't proc it as much. Camilla has a chance to also be decent for hybrid damage builds. Dark Inferno is frustrating to try to use, but the speed increase, mobility, and access to magic damage for a unit like Jean or Zelestia can be useful. Very niche though. Having the healing ground effect from fliers is pretty nice too though.
Hector is basically the best way to make skirmishes easier since you can set up a choke point and make the giant enemy waves significantly easier to deal with
I would say the advantage of using Leif on the vantage/wrath build is that he has Adaptable which can be used with Panette really well. Also doing a Reprisal + on say an Anna Mage Knight with Micaiah, Great Sac and have a bonded shield, pretty laughable overkill.
I would make a comment on Camilla: During the dlc, I noticed something weird about timerra, while using Camilla. Camilla is not meant for magic units. It gives speed, which is everything, and res, something that magic users excel at. I remembered once when you said that Chrom kinda was made for Celene, well, I think the same is true for Rafael And Camilla. Since dark inferno work with axes, fixes his stats while giving him flying benefits. Camila’s vein isn’t worse that corrin, it’s meant for enemy phasing defffub with fog, choke with fire, position better with ice and go on… It works very different that corrin, and you benefit widely of having both.
My biggest problem with Eirika is her weird stat boosts. Why give magic stat when it only boosts Wind Sword? Lunar Brace only works with physical attacks, and that's one of the biggest reasons to run her. Idk her kit just seems to be all over the place and rarely feels better to run over something else. Edit: well, I just got to the point where you talk about running bravery for magic units. I'll have to give that a shot.
I thought the same thing, but someone told me recently that when you switch from Lunar to Solar, the flat +5 damage affects magic damage. They convinced me to run it on Merrin since she is a mixed attacker. It was a brilliant idea and has saved my tail multiple times now for breaking the exact threshold I needed.
@@mustang1718 hmmmm I had the idea of running her on Anna with Levin Sword for the stat boosts and wind sword but decided against it cause it doesn't make use of lunar brace. I might try it again with bravery.
I agree with most of this, but want to point out a few things. I would put Veronica in S tier. If you use her early, (legit as soon as possible) it gives you a free dancer WAYY before you can get any other dancer (byleth/Seadall). That alone is really good, but her Summon skill can be used to bait enemies as well as Contract bonuses from dancing. On top of all of that, the free reprisal. Other than that, I had 3 houses as S tier. If you rock a Wyvern with Lance and Axe, you will have the extra attack from Weapon Sync majority of the time. I had Hector in B tier. His damage mitigation is just enough so enemies will attack you. If used on a flying unit, you also gain 50% res while engaged. (30% def). I found it really fun to self heal tank with his runesword on my Wyvern Anna.
I'd run Hector over Leif, Camilla, Celica, and probably Chrom too. I just like the passive stat bonuses and his engage weapons on a good unit like Kagetsu.
Alear or Veyle should pair with Byleth and have the dancer in the group with him so the dancer can dance again your most powerful unit thereby letting them get 3 turns in one round while buffed up from both classes, that is the ideal way to use Goddess dance, not have a dancer alone use it. Ideally they all have canter so it is easy to position again for the dancing, actually you could have your best DD unit go for 4 times in one round optimally. Have him attack, reposition, dancer dances him repositions for Goddess dance, DD unit attacks again he repositions, 2 other units attack, reposition, Alear/Byleth moves in to Goddess dance, repositions for maximum Divine inspiration damage, Dancer dances again the best DD unit after all 3 get to attack again with increase stats, not sure if this can stack like this, but seems theoretically possible would be easier with high range classes or boss killing.
+3 to all stats really doesn't matter too much in my experience. +5 Speed usually helps multiple people to kill some of the most annoying orkos in the game like swordmasters or heroes. I think dragon subclass is actually not worth how bad basegame dragon classes are.
I don’t think I’d change the list at all with the exception of maybe moving Camilla up slightly in the DLC rankings specifically when paired with a Mage Knight. Her +spd and the extra movement she gives them is pretty nice in particular. She basically turns any of them into Ivy …and yeah, I wouldn’t change Celica’s placement but I do think she’s pretty bad. Having a Corrupted effective tome sounds great! …until you realise it’s 6 Mt, so only 18 Mt against them (only +2 more than a base Bolganone). It is lower weight though.
Another use I had for Camilla is putting her with Seadall (as Dancer of course). In case, you screw up Seadall's positioning and can't dance who you need to dance due to all of these obstacles or being 2 move out of reach. Just fly over those and get that +2 move. That and Lightning on a fast magic user is lets you hit with quad magic. You can even turn your healer Qi Adepts into emergency magic attackers when needed. As for Celica, Resonance + Echo + Draconic Hex is funny.
While any unit can use emblem rings really well, I can give you some suggestions: For Lucina, pair her with a Qi Adept or Knife user. Qi Adepts get a big buff to bonded shield(it's guaranteed to proc every time now), and knife users become backups, which is good because knives in this game have a poison effect to them, meaning that enemies who get hit by them take 1 extra damage with every attack(this stacks btw). Corrin wants either a mystical or dragon unit to be able to access her best dragon vein, vein of fire. Put Soren on Veyle for funny things. Put Sigurd or Camila on your dancer for the extra movement. Erika is a nuke button, put her on your main attacker.
Camila ring on alear is busted don’t know if you know this but you get access to every single field element just as long as you don’t reclass also in my opinion the edelgard bracelet in my runs was the most useful it just has so many options to bail you out of tough situations same with Victoria braclet they both have the most utility by far but that’s just me
Camilla: I love running mk anna Camilla it's like having a magical Sigurd/ivy for 4 turns. And dark inferno can plug a large hole while putting a large amount one shot range if you space it right. for that dragon vein is a little bit lost since its a hard carry emblem. Edelgard: agree but the accuracy kills me tho lol Hector: ike is better, but 5 people want him and he can solo enemy phase regardless of weapon triangle for a turn. Veronica: she's diet byleth/micaiah with contract and fortify plus. Her kit can be offensive or support and she excels at both contract being usable for 4 turns allows for some cheese strats. Fortify plus let's you be a bit aggressive while saving your other medics turns plus it clears status effects (useful on the maps with staff spamers). She's kinda great all around and not just for free reprisal+ to save 6k lol
There are 2 very funny things about Veronica that I didnt see being mentioned: - Summon is actually very dumb if you strictly treat it as a way to get a unit you do not care about that can be used in completely reckeless ways without a single worry. In a way, it basically gives you a controllable green unit. You can control it to get it to break an annoying enemy formation or to bait enemies in annoying spots without actually having to worry about survivability because who tf cares if they die. It is just like using bad units to bait out bosses in early chapters, except this time you care even less! - Her SP conversion skill allows for infinite SP farms because it is tied to kills not actions that would give exp like normal SP gain, which allows it to go infinite on infinite reinforcements maps, because the kills continue to reward the 20 SP even after the enemies stop giving you exp for kills. Granted, since it is only 20 per kill it is an immensely tedious proccess, but you can get basically any skills you want on any unit as long as you are immune to boredom
I think you've under rated Camilla ability, she's at least at A tier. She gives you bonus movement and gives you flying while not being weak to bows, her Bolt axe and Lightning tome is amazing on Mage Knight/Royal Knight. Speed/res buff is very potent on Generals and Great Knights combined with QR makes them really scary to bait tanks. Camilla is also very good at clearing bad stuff off the map like Miasma and fire. She's bu no means OP but she's very versatile and extremely good on Mage/Royal Knight.
most reliable use of lief is rosado(wyvern axe/swd), put break defences and lunar brace+, and use master lance and brave axe to demolish people(with a speedwing or two you can hit most people 6 times, its great)
1 good thing about Lyn is that if they clone dodged atk, they counter atk with the real character damage~ which if you use her on high avoidance characters, the clones helps kill some enemies too. BUt downside is you missed those experiences
Veronica is definitely S tier for the simple fact that whoever has her equipped will snowball their SP gain and Gregory, Citrinne, and Ivy can all get holdout vantage combo with reprisal+ can literally just solo entire maps with one shot thoron builds
@IcedCoffeeGaming She's not I think S was a perfect placement. I did think it was funny how you penalized Marth for availability while hovering over Alear tho 😂
I love this game I came back to it because Baldurs Gate 3 got me on my tactical mode 😅 I started my maddening run after beating FEEngage after 1 normal run.. feels like I might have started maddening a little to early 😅😅
Hi new to the channel, do have a guide for people who are casual players who are thinking about going to maddening for the first time? Ive played since awakening, mostly playing on hard two afraid of maddening and lunatic.
Corrin with pair up and draconic hex actually makes sense for a general unit to use, but the vein isn't good. I wish it turned tiles around them to sand so it makes a sort of sand trap
@Matteo-co3iu I was talking about the vein for general, vines. It doesn't help an armored wielder perform their job better, so despite having skills an armored unit could use very effectively in draconic hex and pair up, the vein, which is vines, becomes a huge waste compared to any other class having the ring.
@@skypaladin9878 I see! Sorry for misunderstanding. I see your point, but corrin is terrible on armoured units. Just get Pair up and give her to someone who can use her better. Since Draconic hex doesn’t do anything unless the unit *initiates* combat, but when a General attacks on playerphase, they often want to kill with a great sword/Lance/axe. Her stat bonuses are bad on a General, only HP is nice but if you have that high defences, HP isn’t that important. Quality time is fine, and like you said: dragon vein of vines is not good. Use corrin on a covert unit for fog or a dragon for all veins.
Camilla argue should be at least top of B imo "bad corrin" you get ch6+ never goes away think deserves that much could maybe say the same about Hector over leif as well
You need weapons that are stronger than his. The hardest to work around is light brand, because there are no range 2 swords, so ranged axes will force light brand, and if your unit has no magic it won't do damage. Light brand is also stronger than most range 2 weapons, so an engraving on a ranged weapon is required.
Edelguard is even crazier if you have favorite food skill and goddess dance + dance. Its a massive galeforce but within limit space or a next turn sweep. Soren with Bolting on a back up unit or hero is also a little crazy or with a magic user with dual assist.
The problem with Edelgard is you get her for free, for doing nothing just having DLC....and she unbalances the entire early to mid game and remains strong to the end of the game. Whoever I give Edelgard to always wrecks house for the first 15 chapters. No matter what.
Corrin is the most lore accurate emblem because even outside of her own game she’s a Mary Sue. And Camilla really is just worse Corrin, non of her Dragon Veins feel like they’re better than Corrin’s, ice being the only one you could argue, but move honestly feels less important in this game than past entries. Maybe its because all the maps just feel smaller compared to TH. Eirika I’ve never really valued as highly, either, since I don’t usually run an offensive play style and unless you’re attacking she doesn’t do anything. And by the time you get Sword/Lance power which is easier than ever with the well you’re pretty much set on damage for the early/mid game, so I prefer Emblems that offer more survivability or support like Roy. But I can see why people who use more damage units would value her more. Lyn is also God Tier to me because the decoys have saved my units too many times, and I would argue anything that keeps your units alive is the best kind of utility.
1000 hour player holy sh*t that's legit
You put Hector in c tier, but have you considered Hector is a cool guy? He needs to be in cool guy tier
You can do contract every turn you’re engaged with Veronica, with dancer/byleth engage plus edelgard…cracked
Not to mention Fortify+ which basically heals all units to full on the map and removes all status effects. It's a big deal. Veronica is over tuned, brings too much to the table. Her summon ability is the LEAST of her abilities tbh.
You disrespecting mah boi Hector. 😤 Things to take into consideration for Hector:
Piercing Gaze: being able to completely wall off an entire path with only 1 unit compared to 2-3 units is very strong.
Signature Weapons: Wolf Beil is definitely one of the strongest effectiveness weapons in the game. While there ARE other dual effectiveness weapons, WB is on a very much enemy phase Emblem Ring. Armads adds a whopping +5 defense, making even semi frail units more durable and its bonus defense stacks with his Impenetrable passive, give Armads Tamerra a try cause if you think her Sandstorm is nasty now you haven’t seen JACK. Rune Sword is also pretty good for drain tanking if you’re using it on someone like Céline or a Sword Power Diamant.
Quick Riposte: I don’t think you gave this ability as much credit as it deserves. Ensuring a follow-up attack regardless of your speed stat is a very powerful tool. Yes, it doesn’t work on heavy weapons, but give something slow but hits hard like a General the ability to do follow-up is a very potent tool. Yes, it’s limited by health%, but there are plenty of workarounds to that.
Storm’s Eye: you gave most Engage Skills consideration, but you didn’t even mention this one and it’s probably one of the better ones. It’s just like Quick Riposte, but it removes the health requirement and makes it so your unit can’t be broken, probably one of the STRONGEST enemy phase tools in the game because it doesn’t matter how good your enemy phasing is if you’re broken.
Impenetrable: this is both better and worse than Laguz Friend from Ike. Ike’s is better than Hector’s if your defensive stats are low, but offers no real advantage at higher stats. But Impenetrable has an advantage that enemies will still attack even if they deal zero damage as long as they don’t do 0 damage before impenetrable. Meaning you can get benefits that otherwise wouldn’t be possible. Not to mention it makes Temerra even scarier.
Storm's Eye does nothing on maddening. Enemies won't attack your unit at all. Most of what you said is true, but quick riposte sucks because if your speed is trash you're getting doubled by everything and this is an enemy phase Game, not a player phase game so getting to double doesn't really matter much compared to not being doubled. I think Hector is better than Leif, Celica, maybe some others. But with so many powerful emblems there's a lot of competition for a deploy slot. I ran Hector mostly on Kagetsu Wyvern and was happy with the passive stats, defensive boost, and engage weapons. But most of Hector's abilities just don't really matter and I think that's the bigger issue.
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 you can use soren's assign decoy to force-feed enemies to your hector unit. i think the decoy thing caps at something like 3 per turn but you can still do some very funny things this way
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 Don't put it on an armored unit like Louie and it should be fine. I typically run Hector on Diamant, and Sol helps him to stay in Quick Riposte range as his defense is high enough to take small amounts of damage anyway. Backup units gain a crit bonus during Storm's Eye as well.
It basically functions like Great Aether, while trading some safety for more kill power, and it's not as reliant on Pair Up like Great Aether users are, so you could run another skill.(I run a skill that gives Dex+5 to make Sol more reliable).
@@fujishironageki9951 That is nice yes and worth it even if it "only" kills 3 enemies on enemy phase.
Only unit I've seriously used Hector on is Timerra, and she was a great tank for me. Most people just keep Ike on her, but since Panette also wants Ike, I inherit Ike's skills onto her to compensate (Resolve, Defense+). This doubles down on her defense for bigger Sandstorms, makes use of her low build with Heavy Attack, and Quick Riposte fixes her doubling problem that comes with it.
Glad to see Lucina in S. Some of your most entertaining content has been deathball-style comps with damage reduction/mitigation on adjacent allies as you slowly move around the map, bulldozing everything in your path.
I think with some of the DLC the use of utility emblems drops and combat emblems rises just because you are overleveled, you tend to end up able to have 1 to 3 units thats able to flatout charge the enemy line without any assistance and able to emblem phase entire map. And in that aspect emblems that are able to self heal or just do insane amount of damage like eirika really start to shine.
Jean is a monster lol easily my best unit made him an axe and promoted to berserker health pool and defense is so crazy with the ike ring i literally clear boses no problem
Thank you, someone finally putting Tiki in top tier! Her engage mode is the hardest carry it's so nuts
If Corrin's ring gave actual XP for using Dragon Vein she'd be even more busted
Veronica turned my radiant bow Cupido Fogado into a god tier hard carry for my iron man, was really surprised how well that build turned out
Speaking of losing Engage and being able to get it back, it bugs me that the extra turn of Engage is unlocked _before_ the shortened Engage meter. It's practically a nerf; it actually just means that you have to wait longer before you can use another Engage attack.
Anyway, Ike is definitely up there, for sure. Through the early- and middlegame, i didn't actually have assigned emblems for my units because they would switch up in order to gain bond levels. It wasn't until getting to Elusia Castle that the emblems started being assigned to specific units, and my Warrior Ike!Boucheron was absolutely the MVP for the endgame of my first maddening run. On the final map he was getting 100% crit rates on enemies with his Corrin engraved Killer Bow thanks to Wrath. And Great Aethers with Silver Greataxe are nuts.
Lucina is definitely up there too. And not even for Bonded Shield because i hardly ever even used it. Granting Chain Attacks is already pretty strong, but Dual Support is where it's really at. Lucina was practically perfect for Hortensia; not only does she give dex which means more World Tree triggers, but Chain Attacks give her much more reliable dmg output. And Dual Support is probably the most reliable way to keep her alive.
Corrin!Alear is crazy strong. Having access to all Dragon Veins is definitely OP.
I kinda feel like Eirika was made to be used with Arts. Arts are the easiest weapon to quad with, and also boosting mag increases dmg with Arts anyway. I didn't even bother to kill all the Dark Emblems; i killed 3 out of the first 4 and then just brute forced my way through Sombron's shield using Eirika!Framme wielding the Silver Art supported by Corrin!Alear dropping Vein of Fog so Sombron had terrible accuracy on counterattack. It's also funny watching Framme just melt enemy armors with her fists.
Getting 5 free levels while Engaged with Roy is very good. The AOE attack that also hinders enemy movement is a nice bonus. Very nice on Mage Knight Clanne.
I feel like Leif only excels at making already tanky units tankier. Which is still useful, don't get me wrong, he was a great fit on Goldmary. He just seems to not have as much flexibility as other Emblems.
Thyrsus was super useful on Byleth!Lindon.
Lyn!Alfred was definitely the MVP for the final map specifically, though. He was able to fend off 4-5 enemies by himself on EP (including those annoying Thieves), which really came in clutch for keeping the rest of my units safe from all the reinforcements.
Those were my most noteworthy experiences with Emblems from my first maddening run. The rest of my endgame team was Micaiah!Seadall, Celica!Rosado, Lance Bow Knight Sigurd!Etie, and Royal Knight Marth!Vander.
On a side note: raising both res and lck is useful because that significantly boosts your avo vs enemy staves.
Honestly I put veronica in God Tier for breaking the SP system. If you get her early you can do insane shit with your hard carries with all the sp they will get.
Reprisal+
SP farming
Fortify+ heals/cures entire field
contract is another dance while engaged
also can summon a meat shield whenever
Also has a nice engage weapon that CANNOT be counter attacked
Veronica could only have HALF of what she has and still be A tier but with all THAT she's clearly S tier.
You are spot-on for non-DLC, but a bit off for the DLC emblems.
I have Veronica on my Alear since I have Hortensia benched in this run. Fortify+ is fantastic. It's like having Mercedes on the roster again with AoE heals on tap. Reprisal is nice and I've seen builds around it, but I like the multiple mass emergency heals that don't put your healer down to 1 HP like Micaiah.
Soren is definitely top tier, but mostly because he can solo a choke point on a map. He gives the ability to heal based on the damage done. So putting a mage that can take a single hit against a flyer when wielding Rexcaliber means you can easily take out a pack of fliers on enemy phase by yourself.
Chrom is fantastic for mixed attackers. I have him on Zelestia who is taking over my Ivy role. Because she doubles, that means each attack is suddenly doing +10 damage as well. I've been able to kill literally everything in one round that I've come across on Maddening with that. But I have two chapters to go.
Hector is also the other one I think should be in at least S or A tier. I use that on my main tanks. Piercing Glare means you can declare positioning in wide areas or in choke points. Heavy Attack does a ton of damage with Silver Great weapons, or with spears. But Quick Riposte is my favorite as it means you are constantly chipping away at the enemy on enemy phase. Goldmary with Brionic was fantastic with it, but my Timerra is much faster this time and doesn't proc it as much.
Camilla has a chance to also be decent for hybrid damage builds. Dark Inferno is frustrating to try to use, but the speed increase, mobility, and access to magic damage for a unit like Jean or Zelestia can be useful. Very niche though. Having the healing ground effect from fliers is pretty nice too though.
Hector is basically the best way to make skirmishes easier since you can set up a choke point and make the giant enemy waves significantly easier to deal with
I would say the advantage of using Leif on the vantage/wrath build is that he has Adaptable which can be used with Panette really well. Also doing a Reprisal + on say an Anna Mage Knight with Micaiah, Great Sac and have a bonded shield, pretty laughable overkill.
Please please play DLC a lot more. Your content is very good and I would love to see what your opinion is after trying DLC much more hours
I would make a comment on Camilla:
During the dlc, I noticed something weird about timerra, while using Camilla.
Camilla is not meant for magic units.
It gives speed, which is everything, and res, something that magic users excel at.
I remembered once when you said that Chrom kinda was made for Celene, well, I think the same is true for Rafael And Camilla.
Since dark inferno work with axes, fixes his stats while giving him flying benefits. Camila’s vein isn’t worse that corrin, it’s meant for enemy phasing defffub with fog, choke with fire, position better with ice and go on…
It works very different that corrin, and you benefit widely of having both.
My biggest problem with Eirika is her weird stat boosts. Why give magic stat when it only boosts Wind Sword? Lunar Brace only works with physical attacks, and that's one of the biggest reasons to run her. Idk her kit just seems to be all over the place and rarely feels better to run over something else.
Edit: well, I just got to the point where you talk about running bravery for magic units. I'll have to give that a shot.
I thought the same thing, but someone told me recently that when you switch from Lunar to Solar, the flat +5 damage affects magic damage. They convinced me to run it on Merrin since she is a mixed attacker. It was a brilliant idea and has saved my tail multiple times now for breaking the exact threshold I needed.
@@mustang1718 hmmmm I had the idea of running her on Anna with Levin Sword for the stat boosts and wind sword but decided against it cause it doesn't make use of lunar brace. I might try it again with bravery.
Mag boost gives bonus dmg to Arts while quadding with Lunar Brace.
I'd actually say that Leif is B, due to the fact that he gives every weapon proficiency (except tomes I think?).
I agree with most of this, but want to point out a few things. I would put Veronica in S tier. If you use her early, (legit as soon as possible) it gives you a free dancer WAYY before you can get any other dancer (byleth/Seadall). That alone is really good, but her Summon skill can be used to bait enemies as well as Contract bonuses from dancing. On top of all of that, the free reprisal. Other than that, I had 3 houses as S tier. If you rock a Wyvern with Lance and Axe, you will have the extra attack from Weapon Sync majority of the time.
I had Hector in B tier. His damage mitigation is just enough so enemies will attack you. If used on a flying unit, you also gain 50% res while engaged. (30% def). I found it really fun to self heal tank with his runesword on my Wyvern Anna.
I'd run Hector over Leif, Camilla, Celica, and probably Chrom too. I just like the passive stat bonuses and his engage weapons on a good unit like Kagetsu.
Alear or Veyle should pair with Byleth and have the dancer in the group with him so the dancer can dance again your most powerful unit thereby letting them get 3 turns in one round while buffed up from both classes, that is the ideal way to use Goddess dance, not have a dancer alone use it. Ideally they all have canter so it is easy to position again for the dancing, actually you could have your best DD unit go for 4 times in one round optimally. Have him attack, reposition, dancer dances him repositions for Goddess dance, DD unit attacks again he repositions, 2 other units attack, reposition, Alear/Byleth moves in to Goddess dance, repositions for maximum Divine inspiration damage, Dancer dances again the best DD unit after all 3 get to attack again with increase stats, not sure if this can stack like this, but seems theoretically possible would be easier with high range classes or boss killing.
+3 to all stats really doesn't matter too much in my experience. +5 Speed usually helps multiple people to kill some of the most annoying orkos in the game like swordmasters or heroes. I think dragon subclass is actually not worth how bad basegame dragon classes are.
I don’t think I’d change the list at all with the exception of maybe moving Camilla up slightly in the DLC rankings specifically when paired with a Mage Knight. Her +spd and the extra movement she gives them is pretty nice in particular. She basically turns any of them into Ivy
…and yeah, I wouldn’t change Celica’s placement but I do think she’s pretty bad. Having a Corrupted effective tome sounds great! …until you realise it’s 6 Mt, so only 18 Mt against them (only +2 more than a base Bolganone). It is lower weight though.
Another use I had for Camilla is putting her with Seadall (as Dancer of course). In case, you screw up Seadall's positioning and can't dance who you need to dance due to all of these obstacles or being 2 move out of reach. Just fly over those and get that +2 move.
That and Lightning on a fast magic user is lets you hit with quad magic. You can even turn your healer Qi Adepts into emergency magic attackers when needed.
As for Celica, Resonance + Echo + Draconic Hex is funny.
I was forced to use mage knight Timerra who has terrible MAG and she was able to 1 round using it lol
I mean with Veronica you get an extra body. That’s usually never a bad thing.
That's probably her least impressive ability. Veronica just does SO much it's insane.
Which units specifically pair best with each? There’s so much to concider, and I suck at the game so I need all the help I can get.
While any unit can use emblem rings really well, I can give you some suggestions:
For Lucina, pair her with a Qi Adept or Knife user. Qi Adepts get a big buff to bonded shield(it's guaranteed to proc every time now), and knife users become backups, which is good because knives in this game have a poison effect to them, meaning that enemies who get hit by them take 1 extra damage with every attack(this stacks btw).
Corrin wants either a mystical or dragon unit to be able to access her best dragon vein, vein of fire.
Put Soren on Veyle for funny things.
Put Sigurd or Camila on your dancer for the extra movement.
Erika is a nuke button, put her on your main attacker.
Camila ring on alear is busted don’t know if you know this but you get access to every single field element just as long as you don’t reclass also in my opinion the edelgard bracelet in my runs was the most useful it just has so many options to bail you out of tough situations same with Victoria braclet they both have the most utility by far but that’s just me
Camilla: I love running mk anna Camilla it's like having a magical Sigurd/ivy for 4 turns. And dark inferno can plug a large hole while putting a large amount one shot range if you space it right. for that dragon vein is a little bit lost since its a hard carry emblem.
Edelgard: agree but the accuracy kills me tho lol
Hector: ike is better, but 5 people want him and he can solo enemy phase regardless of weapon triangle for a turn.
Veronica: she's diet byleth/micaiah with contract and fortify plus. Her kit can be offensive or support and she excels at both contract being usable for 4 turns allows for some cheese strats. Fortify plus let's you be a bit aggressive while saving your other medics turns plus it clears status effects (useful on the maps with staff spamers). She's kinda great all around and not just for free reprisal+ to save 6k lol
There are 2 very funny things about Veronica that I didnt see being mentioned:
- Summon is actually very dumb if you strictly treat it as a way to get a unit you do not care about that can be used in completely reckeless ways without a single worry. In a way, it basically gives you a controllable green unit. You can control it to get it to break an annoying enemy formation or to bait enemies in annoying spots without actually having to worry about survivability because who tf cares if they die. It is just like using bad units to bait out bosses in early chapters, except this time you care even less!
- Her SP conversion skill allows for infinite SP farms because it is tied to kills not actions that would give exp like normal SP gain, which allows it to go infinite on infinite reinforcements maps, because the kills continue to reward the 20 SP even after the enemies stop giving you exp for kills. Granted, since it is only 20 per kill it is an immensely tedious proccess, but you can get basically any skills you want on any unit as long as you are immune to boredom
I think you've under rated Camilla ability, she's at least at A tier.
She gives you bonus movement and gives you flying while not being weak to bows, her Bolt axe and Lightning tome is amazing on Mage Knight/Royal Knight.
Speed/res buff is very potent on Generals and Great Knights combined with QR makes them really scary to bait tanks.
Camilla is also very good at clearing bad stuff off the map like Miasma and fire. She's bu no means OP but she's very versatile and extremely good on Mage/Royal Knight.
most reliable use of lief is rosado(wyvern axe/swd), put break defences and lunar brace+, and use master lance and brave axe to demolish people(with a speedwing or two you can hit most people 6 times, its great)
veronicas fortify plus staff just full heals and cures your entire team every turn she's engaged
1 good thing about Lyn is that if they clone dodged atk, they counter atk with the real character damage~ which if you use her on high avoidance characters, the clones helps kill some enemies too. BUt downside is you missed those experiences
Veronica is definitely S tier for the simple fact that whoever has her equipped will snowball their SP gain and Gregory, Citrinne, and Ivy can all get holdout vantage combo with reprisal+ can literally just solo entire maps with one shot thoron builds
Lyn being thrown anywhere but God tier was actually more shocking than seeing Leif in B tier. Good stuff
Why is Lyn God tier?
@IcedCoffeeGaming She's not I think S was a perfect placement. I did think it was funny how you penalized Marth for availability while hovering over Alear tho 😂
Theres a build with Celine and Hector that I wanna try
Gentility or Sword P + Hold Out + the magic Sword from Hector for a enemy phase Queen
I love this game I came back to it because Baldurs Gate 3 got me on my tactical mode 😅 I started my maddening run after beating FEEngage after 1 normal run.. feels like I might have started maddening a little to early 😅😅
Hi new to the channel, do have a guide for people who are casual players who are thinking about going to maddening for the first time? Ive played since awakening, mostly playing on hard two afraid of maddening and lunatic.
I have a lot of general videos / guides under playlists for maddening :)
Am big awakening fan so chrom and robin are high on my list
Corrin with pair up and draconic hex actually makes sense for a general unit to use, but the vein isn't good. I wish it turned tiles around them to sand so it makes a sort of sand trap
How is dragon vein not good?? Especially on dragon units, there’s so many effects. Especially vein of flame, water, fog and succour are good.
@Matteo-co3iu I was talking about the vein for general, vines. It doesn't help an armored wielder perform their job better, so despite having skills an armored unit could use very effectively in draconic hex and pair up, the vein, which is vines, becomes a huge waste compared to any other class having the ring.
@@skypaladin9878 I see! Sorry for misunderstanding. I see your point, but corrin is terrible on armoured units. Just get Pair up and give her to someone who can use her better. Since Draconic hex doesn’t do anything unless the unit *initiates* combat, but when a General attacks on playerphase, they often want to kill with a great sword/Lance/axe. Her stat bonuses are bad on a General, only HP is nice but if you have that high defences, HP isn’t that important. Quality time is fine, and like you said: dragon vein of vines is not good. Use corrin on a covert unit for fog or a dragon for all veins.
@Matteo-co3iu I forgot they nerfed draconic hex to initiate only. They went a little overboard with player phase only skills
Camilla argue should be at least top of B imo "bad corrin" you get ch6+ never goes away think deserves that much
could maybe say the same about Hector over leif as well
Kagetzu makes roy seem like a powerhouse with rise above
Ephriham unranked why? I always use his lunar brace.
Who? We only care about his COOL SISTER who is worse combat unit of the two in their game.
@@IcedCoffeeGaming figures cause he’s not quite like Timerra I mean fk Fodgato right
Can you make a video on how to effectively utilize Leif’s Adaptability without it screwing you over?
step 1: don’t use leif lmao
i think keep him at bond lvl 9 or below so you’re not forced to tank heroes with a brave lance at home
Idk maybe giveca bunch of the online balls to the lance to fix dmg and accuracy
You need weapons that are stronger than his. The hardest to work around is light brand, because there are no range 2 swords, so ranged axes will force light brand, and if your unit has no magic it won't do damage. Light brand is also stronger than most range 2 weapons, so an engraving on a ranged weapon is required.
@@felixma9192 step 1 use gentility lol
Edelguard is even crazier if you have favorite food skill and goddess dance + dance. Its a massive galeforce but within limit space or a next turn sweep. Soren with Bolting on a back up unit or hero is also a little crazy or with a magic user with dual assist.
The problem with Edelgard is you get her for free, for doing nothing just having DLC....and she unbalances the entire early to mid game and remains strong to the end of the game. Whoever I give Edelgard to always wrecks house for the first 15 chapters. No matter what.
@@eustacemcgoodboy9702 Yeah. Her availability and just power level are easy mode for all difficulties.
Soren in S. Good.
I’d say Roy is S tier
Sword Power might be the best thing Roy has to offer. Not bad but Rings like Lyn, Sigurd or Lucina offer better engaged and synced abilities
Corrin is the most lore accurate emblem because even outside of her own game she’s a Mary Sue. And Camilla really is just worse Corrin, non of her Dragon Veins feel like they’re better than Corrin’s, ice being the only one you could argue, but move honestly feels less important in this game than past entries. Maybe its because all the maps just feel smaller compared to TH.
Eirika I’ve never really valued as highly, either, since I don’t usually run an offensive play style and unless you’re attacking she doesn’t do anything. And by the time you get Sword/Lance power which is easier than ever with the well you’re pretty much set on damage for the early/mid game, so I prefer Emblems that offer more survivability or support like Roy. But I can see why people who use more damage units would value her more.
Lyn is also God Tier to me because the decoys have saved my units too many times, and I would argue anything that keeps your units alive is the best kind of utility.
I mean she isn’t much of a Mary Sue in her game. She’s kinda an idiot. Not Micaiah level, but still pretty dumb.
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