My Honest Opinion on Legion So Far
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2017
- There were a lot of microthings that I didn't cover, like pvp brawls, brawlers guild, and the Mage Tower challenges so I do apologize for that, but I covered almost everything I think is important
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My problem with Legion is the rares, reputations & rewards. Rares are not rare and do not drop exclusive loot (just see Mists of Pandaria rares who dropped useful items like the mass taunting horn for example.) Reputations are just a complete fucking joke with piss-quality rewards, where did the times go where you would find worthwhile items in a reputation that you couldn't find anywhere else? Again, I cite Mists of Pandaria with reputations, every single reputation in that expansion had something unique to them, Klaxxi for Amber Scorpion, Golden Lotus for crane mounts and Order of the Cloud Serpent offered a really cool quest chain and grind up to Exalted to get you the required skill to fly a cloud serpent!
The biggest slap in the face of all was the paragon system in 7.2, the mounts that should've already been included with the reputations at the start of the expansion. I don't grind a reputation for a chance of a reward, I grind it because I know at the end I'm guranteed to get one.
Boohoo. You'll just have to not have the mounts from paragon rep. I'm sure you will be fine.
I do not mind the Paragon system having mounts in it but when they have mounts that should've been exalted rewards that kinda goes on my nerves, especially for how lackluster the reputations were in the first place. For example, it would've been good if the paragon system had armored versions of the mounts instead (or similar) and the exalted rewards were the unarmored ones that they currently use.
Your right about rares. Also rare mobs in MoP were very hard to solo, but possible, really pushed you to the limit. I"m not sure why Blizz removes systems that work for no reason.
Soul Designs great for you but thats ALL subjective.. i quite like there not being gear locked behind rep for example, sucks having to do that stuff on alts. rares arent a problem for me either, who does that shit anyway. see where im coming from? you cant blame blizz for stuff like that, its too subjective. its literally impossible to please everyone.. just getting a bit sick of all the complaining i guess
That's the thing with Blizzard though, if you watch at what they are doing in Legion it is to please as many persons as possible.
Saying that no one does rares at all is subjective. Of course no one currently is doing rares because there is no reason for doing them since they are all the same. In MoP you would see people at rare spawns pretty much 24/7 and people are even farming the rares to this day, just see the Zandalari Warbringers who got added in Patch 5.2 or the rare in Dread Wastes who drops the 300% xp potion.
Gear locked behind rep was just another option of many to help you gear up if you enjoyed doing that. It's not like they were forcing you to get the gear, there were plenty of other options to obtain same-quality gear. Sorry but I do not see where you are coming from because you're doing exactly what you're blaming me for.
I'm not complaining because I want to, it is because I care about this game and I want it to improve.
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At this point i only level alts through invasions. whenever one is up i log into the 3 alts im leveling and knock all the WQ in that invasion, giving me 90% of a level. I've leveled like 4 characters through legion this way and its way better than grinding through the same leveling quests ive already done before. Heirlooms at this point will only mean that i will need a couple invasions less to reach 110.
imo, it has more pros than cons, but the cons are so big that they matter more than the pros
You're absolutely right.
thats what happened to me, I did nighthold heroic about 5/6 times an get my BoS trinkets ( fury warrior) and my full set.
I dont enjoy grinding AP and I think me and alot of players will return when ToS is out to do the same
Isle of Thunder is a good example of time-gating done right, I think. It made sense to do things step by step each week, slowly gaining more of a foothold on the island, and it kept you interested in the zone because you'd see more of it as the weeks went on (as well as the campaign being fun). I feel like the Broken Shore is just a worse version of this. Everything is already there so there's nothing exciting about doing the weekly campaign quests, and there's no story involved in those quests so it just feels like a waste of time.
You only have to go one patch back to find good time gating. Suramar was fine.
That's true. I can forgive timegating when it makes sense in the narrative to do so. There we saw Thelyssra coming up with a solution to the withered problem, and trying to gather allies in the city, which takes time obvs. Then we have Lyleth trying to get a position in the royal court, again, something that takes time.
Then you have the Broken Shore, where Illidan and Khadgar are standing there doing nothing, and then every Tuesday they come up with the fabulous idea of "ooh actually it turns out I need you to collect 10 of those wyrmtongue caches that have been around for fucking weeks"
SpooKCS Bwaahahhaaa!! You guys have such short memories I swear. People were whining so hard with the gating in timeless isle and Surumar. Now it's "Oh it was great... herp derp". GTFO man... lmao
I couldn't give a fuck what others thought. I didn't have an issue with it.
Timothy Jahn I liked it. Chill out fam
Is it worth coming back to legion lads?
i quit when the first raid was out with only 3 boss available and had like 486items lvl on a demon hunter.
the ap was a bit too grindy for me and burned me out. also the pvp template bullshit was a lowblow to my avid PEEVEEPEE MATE personality.
Asmon you can level pretty fast by doing Legion invasions. Each quest gives you 60,000-65,000 xp while there is 6 quests in total. Thats not even counting rested experience. I was able to go 100-110 by completing 2 and 1/2 zones with these invasions. Its a pretty good strategy to leveling a lot of alts fast.
Thing is with legion is I either play hardcore or don't play at all and playing at a high level in legion simply takes to much time.
After playing since Day 1 of Vanilla, I feel like it's all wasted time anyway when they've changed the Artifact system already, and even if you were hardcore enough to farm the 200 Trillion points and get Concordance 50, you're just going to end up vendoring the item for 144 gold next expansion anyway. None of these grinds do anything to advance the incentives of playing the game. The legendary system is abysmal - there is no sense of that old world "Look I found an epic!" All that is, is "Oh I didn't get my Best Legendary again, glad my chances are reset to 0." I play this game because I love it and want it to succeed, but at this rate, it will not.
Zolidarpwns well said. They need to really really go back to their roots and stop inventing ridiculous things
yo wtf is the addon that you can click on a gear slot and it shows the other items for that slot that you have in ur bag? ive been searching forever
At 44:00, when he's RP walking. What's that cloak (transmog'd to)? Looks cool
thx :)
Was fun for a month or two, no urge to play it since
how did you manage to get a group together for herald? been trying to do it for ages
What'd you write this before the patch and hold it? Leveling is insanely fast with legion assaults...
"Farm 100 Marks of the Sentinax, WHOA! BOY! fuck that.." LOL!
I'm a filthy casual since Cata. Tried to get back into raiding with legion. The grind just killed me. No idea how I did it in Vanilla and TBC. When it was just as boring farming rune cloth and motes. Like today farming AP and gear. Maybe I'm just getting old. I had fun lv'ing to 110 and hitting GL 870 by Trial. It wore me out. I have a family now and can't justify 6-14 hours days anymore. Still like watching these videos and WoW related content. Just not playing anymore. Ty for video.
Vanilla and TBC were not as grindy as Legion.
Played fairly hardcore during both and I disagree. Granted I was a healer in vanilla and TBC. So my grind was tougher with kill times compared to today. Vanilla I farmed herbs/leather and TBC was motes. I mean dude have you tried farming shadow motes back then? (2.1) Literally only one mob dropped them. I rather farm AP today or gear than those fucking Motes of Shadow.
What's the name of the addon he uses to track the cooldown of other healers? You can see it at around 24:00
I've done pretty much all I wanted so far in Legion, I'm mostly waiting for Tomb of Sargeras.
Prestige level 13: Complete
Nighthold Progression: 10/10Hc 4/10 Mythic
Guild Activities: Regulary
Pet Battles: Not Much
Lore/Story: Everything (More or less)
Challenge Artefact: Protection (MS)
Concordance: Complete
Farming materials/professions: Sometimes
Getting gear: 905/912 with good variation of statcaps
So what do I do? Well my care to play the game fell a bit after getting Concordance so while waiting for Tomb of Sargeras I took the decision to go play a bit on the new Nolstarius/Elysium server :)
one of the many reasons why i quit is the second artifact grind. the first grind was fine because it was new and a obtainable end goal. But the second grind made your first grind feel like "why did i even do this" or "you got 50 traits? here get reset and do it again for another ~60 traits". I didnt want to do another grind just to keep up so i just quit. i still have about 6weeks left of sub so i just raid with my guild but damn filling up a bar just dont feel fun with the second iteration of artifact power grinding.
You can reach 52 just by playing casually and after 52 it doesn't even matter. with AK 50 you'll be able to reach midway through the paragon points easily.
Alessio Motta you're missing my point. The fact we got reset to 39 traits and having to continue to level up our weapons when we were done with them just is not fun. This just leads to farther burnout.
Also the tos 11 week questline is just the worst fucking unimaginative piece of shit in the history of wow. Its a questline that leads up to a raid so it should feel epic. Not fucking fly around looking for chest or kill 100 demons or gather 4000 nethershards for a 3999 nethershard reward. Fuck all that. That shit pissed me off.
Yeah I get you but the new traits sometime offer some good and fun addition to the class that's different than gain X amount of main stat or X amount of secondary stats and I enjoyed lvling up my weapon again specially because it was really fast even without doing any mythic +.
I agree on that, I enjoyed the questline that lead us to unlock new traits, the follower one and the Anduin one was quite epic, anything else is just pointless fillers which they could have avoided tbh. I'm not sure what will happen the next steps though.
Asmongold, the number one reason I loved leveling in WoD was because of the Draenor perks. That was just brilliant.
ok ok, i stopped playing back in sept because of ubseen circumstances, have a max level toon, is it to far gone to catch up??
As somebody who always wanted to play wow but never got to as a kid, is now a good time to jump in? Considering legion is pretty far in already 🤔
The things u said about PvP is so true! I MISS being able to go in to bgs and just kick ASS cuz my gear was better then that newly geared mage with no armor.
They are adding 19 more legendaries for patch 7.2.5.Blizzard pobably thinks it will solve all the problems lol
achraf06 12 are the class rings you will (probably) get for completing order hall campaign,and the other 7 are 1 for each healer spec in the game,so it's nothing to worry for you DPS players
i am sure they will add more legendaries on the next ptr build and i mean dps legendaries
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To understand you a bit more in terms of raids.
Did you mean that the raid ToV was one of the better ones thanks to it's difficulty at that specific time? OR do you mean in general.
is this privet realm wotlk or is from old day? if so were, i would like to do wotlk again?
You are spot on with pvp. It is just dry humping with no climax. Thank you for mentioning this.
The Kosz TV i said the same thing ("spot on") in my comment above. Thumbs up to man. I agree.
"One of the reasons that *SPARKED* me to make this video" while algalon is in the background...POINTS!
Hey Asmongold ! Can you tell what UI and Raid Addons you use ?
So if they made world quests outside of legion, wouldnt that mean theyd have to introduce level scaling to all those other areas as well?
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I stopped playing recently after being subbed since vanilla, spending over 1300 days played across all my characters. I'm a casual player these days, i stopped raiding after Wrath.
Legion by far is the most unfriendly expansion towards alts that i have ever experienced. In the past Horde and Alliance gotten a different take on the events, but in Legion the quests for the most part remain the same. Having to do the same questlines multiple times was incredibly dreadful. I wanted to reach 110 with all my characters as soon as possible so i could get the AK ball rolling, because if i didn't i felt like i get a lot more out of my alts, and my time as soon as i get them to cap it out. This led me to often not even playing my alts at all, because without AK 25, i felt like doing questlines in suramar would have been a huge waste of time, since i would get a LOT less out of it. I didn't like how the power of my character was limited by time because of the class order missions going on for too long, taking more than a week to finish.
Timegating got way out of hand in this expansion. I was worried about it since MoP when they gated LFR release many weeks past the original release, and now they seem to have fully embraced it and i absolutely hate it. It might feel better in terms of their storytelling that their quest lines ending line up very close to the release of their next raid tier, but i just hate it. Instead of getting it done quickly on one character, i was strung along for months, only doing one quest chain at a time, and their quality was often extremely poor. From long scenarios, to stupid fetch quests. I got extremely frustrated once i saw what they had in store in 7.2. There was absolutely nothing to do at launch, from a huge invasion of the broken shores, it felt awfully quiet because there was fuck all to do. When i saw the first quest pop up on my map i got all excited of all the cool possibilities of what it could be, only to find out that it was a simple fetch quest, and it was over on delivery. I got sent to grab a treasure from a chest, and that was it for the day. What a fucking joke that was. I would rather finish up these quest lines a lot faster, so i can move onto playing my alts.
World quests. I like them, but i would have liked them even more if i would have had flying available from the get go, because even though i get around very easily as a mage with all the toys from pandaria, and my spells, i often shudder at the thought of having to traverse the shitty layout of these islands. If they didn't put in the flightmaster whistle, it would have been a very irritating experience.
Flying. I don't like that they gate it behind a meta achievement that is filled with arbitrary requirements which has nothing to do with flying. If the content is good enough, i would consume it without the need of being forced into it. As a casual person, having flying allows me to get a lot more out of the time that is available to me. I treat ground travel, and Flight paths as obnoxious loading screens and nothing else. I'm fine with it being later introduced in a patch, but don't make me jump through hoops just to get it. I don't buy into the "you have to earn it" crap they started peddling to people to allow them to box in a very important feature that they can re-sell at every expansion.
I don't mind titanforging, but i do feel like mythic should always reward the best gear possible. I don't think there is a need for titanforging in mythic, it should just give the highest item level possible, and leave titanforging to the smaller difficulties. A lot of guilds can't progress well in a mythic raid, and that is proven how many are stuck after 2-3 bosses into the Nighthold. It gives a lot of incentives to do content that would otherwise be irrelevant to you, because there is always that small sliver of chance that you get surprised with an upgrade. I would still prefer if RNG wouldn't be a factor at all, but i guess this is just the age we live in. The lazy design of RNG.
I thought the legendary drops were okay, but i can definitely see, and i totally agree that it made an overall negative impact on the game. I thought legendaries were a clever way to get people more invested in their characters and get hooked on the game, but in a raiding scenario they are treated more like alternative talents where you pick and choose which one is the best for that situation. They made far too many of them, and the drop rate was way too low, and there were massive difference between them. They didn't have the resources to spend it on a legendary quest line, so i guess this was the next experiment for them. I think the ship has already sailed on giving legendaries only to raiders of the highest difficulty, so i doubt that would have been an option in Legion.
Reputations were probably the easiest and the most casual friendly they have ever been. There aren't any grindy reputations, which kind of makes me sad, because i don't mind a long grind every once in a while, if the rewards are good in the end. I think the boxes they give another incentive to do what you already been doing anyway.
They definitely doing a great job with the pet battles, no complaints there.
I think Legion in overall is a good expansion, however they moved so far away from the game that i used to love that i just can't play it anymore. It might satisfy their new audience, but i'm certainly not one of them anymore. I might join the millions that come back after a new expansion drops, and leave once my month runs out, but i'm not even sure if this game worth my money and my time anymore. I love the art style of the game, and the music, and it keeps getting better and better every year, however the underlying systems within it just ruin everything. They borrow far too much from their other titles, such as world quest, brawl, paragon and they show very little originality in return, and it makes for a less immersive gameplay. I would love to see Azeroth revamped and get a much needed fix for the leveling experience, but from the looks of it they are content with leaving it broken, even though this is the first thing most new players experience.
Eladonir very well said. Agree. Same situation here.
Can you make a video on what addons you are using in legion, both usefull and utility?
what I would think that could fix the PvP system is make gear have tweaks for spells, so for instance if you get a chest piece for your frost mage it will give you the health regen for iceblock back that used to be a glyph. perhaps there could be multiple options per piece so allow for diverse talent choices and this will also make ppl want to grind for offspec armour
these effects would obviously only be applied in PvP dedicated zones, let me know what you think!
The face on Asmongold when he looks at video length. Sees it's 43min *eyes pop out of head* and says: This video is already wayyy too long. 43:23
Riho Friis someone should make that a meme
CatDany is on the case
Relbl keep me updated on its development.
I felt more rewarded by getting a gray shoulder in Vanilla than I am from getting yet another titanforged purp.
Spikà You sure must have sucked in vanilla :)
Yea, because I was 12 when I played Vanilla. But even tho I was 12, at least I know how exciting it was to get your first gray shoulder. I could go back to vanilla now on a private server and still get more excited about the gray shoulder than any epic in Legion.
23, but yes, I do enjoy anime, why bring that up? how is that relevant?
You were at a younger more impressionable age + nostalgia.
Still playing - currently 9/10 M and almost pushing into phase 3. I assume shortly after we start pushing into p3 consistently we'll have a kill. I'm worried that with ToS still a few weeks-month+ away that my guild will want to take a break, even though we haven't been grinding nearly as hard as others.
I level my alts without even doing any zones lol. I set them up so they're getting xp order hall missions and just use those to do it over the course of about a month. Now you can also do invasions as well to speed it up alot. Just do the elite WQ from invasions and you get 10-15% per WQ and they take about 30 seconds.
video starts hooooly shit 44mn long
watch it at 1.25 its still totally fine to watch and a bit shorter too!
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Yeah it may not be the best expansion, but it really doesn't feel like it's been out as long as it has been, which is good.
Really? I want the next expansion already so I can start playing wow and quit playing Diablo. This shit's been out for too long already.
legions not going anywhere lol
I agree game is basically copy and paste of diablo 3 now. Took the talent system, now all specs usually have a 4 button rotation with some exceptions such as monk. Gearing system is D3, mythic plus is greater rifts translated into wow form. I can't think of one original concept in legion. Every thing they added was copy and pasted straight from diablo 3
The Big Fish some things have been copied sure, but to say the entire game is just fucking retarded. but like most people oj the internet, your criticism is neither constructive nor even realistic. gg.
- I'm saying the entire legion is copied from diablo, not the rest of the game.
- I also don't have to give constructive criticism dipshit, im not a game designer. If they want me to think up ways of improving the game then they can hire me and pay me for it. I'm entitled to bitch all day about systems in the game that i find are shit, and guess what snowflake? I don't have to come up with a better idea myself.
Another note on leveling - you can do the legion invasion while leveling, and it counts as a bonus quest, and also gives xp as its reward. I completely skipped an entire area when I hit 110 on my alt, the downside being I was insanely undergeared. The dauntless gear system helps but even being able to get it is a hassle, I often leached off other people doing world quests for help.
yo assmangle my favorite suggestion of the video was the mythic+ challenges w/o timers for people who don't like clockracing. keep up the solid work
I really liked Wotlk for both PvE and PvP
oh asmongold you almost brought me to tears. blizzard will never understand that there should be content that not everyone needs to complete. it gives the game a mystery behind it and people would respect players that go far much more! and we can dream agaim. to maybe MAYBE one day be able to see the last boss with our own eyes. never forget the beauty in an MMORPG is the way to the destination not simplifie the whole content for every little casual. you know what i hope? i hope since blizzard gives 5-10 legendarys to every fucking casual. the next expansion should include the old gods destroying the whole planet and everyone starts from lvl 1 again, new world, new scaling and with fucking grey gear! PIECE!
GameRageReview GRRSY I like that part with downing everyone to lvl 1 !!!! and grey gear!!! haha I would totally be down for that! and to go back to aaaall the wonderful old zones!!!
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Nice vid, I feel similarly about most things mentioned.
The infinite pit of AP and AK being just around the corner are the most frustrating parts of legion.
how about if you have a raid item and get the same item you can destroy it to upgrade your current item with like 5 ilvl up to max titan forge
the problem with arenas is that healers heal too much, that's why it goes to retarded dampening
it is annoying. they outheal any dps
the problem is the mana imo. the dmg and especially dps cds are very strong
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nice meme, I guess I could've said it like "there is too much healing", but you beat me to it
You know what really pisses me off about Blizzard? Kinda like what you were saying around 6:35 - 6:50, but Blizzard, for some fucking reason, puts something in the game which SHOULD have been there, and they try and find a reason for you to obtain it doing content.
Example: The new 'faction' mounts that just came in 7.2, the unicorn, red stormdrake, moose mount, etc. All those mounts should have been on the vendor and purchaseable once you hit exalted. They should have had multiple color variations, like Blizzard has done in the past. But because a few people bitch about the mounts in WoD, Blizzard has to change everything up and make the mounts available 2 major patches later, and require you to do a ton more WQs and raise your rep up for a *chance* at getting the mount.
What the fuck Blizz? Just put the goddamn mounts up on the vendor with different color variations for 20k gold a piece or some shit.
I feel you on that one. That's where different color variations could have came into play. You could have one that's RnG drop, one that's a gold buy (a goal to work up to), and one that's more centered around their questlines and lore.
Lionhearte agreed
Or they could have just left out the time gating. For a lot of players, it's nice to have a feeling of accomplishment for finishing something that rewards something cool. Some activities, like the classhall questline are easy. Others, like the Mage Tower, are more difficult. There's nothing wrong with either of these. That being said, there's no sense of accomplishment for buying an item off of a vendor. This severely cheapens not just the reward but the enjoyment of the players who get it. They did this in Warlords and, let's be frank, it was boring as fuck. I never once felt like I had earned any of the mounts that I got from the vendors. Yes, getting exalted with Vol'jin's spear was a grind, but a rep grind doesn't constitute fun content, especially when that rep grind is slow and monotonous.
There are plenty of mounts that are sold by vendors. You are not required to use your class hall mount. Here's where your sense of entitlement is bulging out. It's insane that you think you're entitled to a class mount without doing anything other than visiting a vendor.
Well, you're not.
Same thing with gating half your fucking class behind a dumb artifact system just for the sake of squeezing out content. The amount of scummy things Blizzard has done this expansion for the sake of "content" is way too much. It's like they're punishing us for saying we didn't have enough content in WoD with some kind of monkey's paw wish.
I've been playing in a very casual way. I came back about 3 months ago, got to 110, then didnt do anything else with legion for about a month. I just did some achievement and mount farming and at the end of the day would do about an hour worth of legion content. My guild ran me through Normal Nighthold, so I was able to get up to 860 ilvl. They know I wont be raiding but they knew it would make it easier to work through the legion content. Right now it's a shared time between casual achievement and xmog farming and slowly working my way through legion. I know I won't catch up, so I'm just taking my time and enjoying the experience . Legion is a great expansion if you don't really care about getting as high as you can go. I'm about to start mythic dungeons and still loving the expansion.
I'm still playing legion daily. With the pace they are putting out raid content. It's only a few weeks of "relaxing" after completing the raid content before the split runs and alt runs begin and preparations for the release of ToS.
Great video man!
They ruined pvp and freaking RNG is crushing PVE, bring WOTLK PVP back
Canal do Platinum Shut the fuck up, you are the type of idiot who gets pleased with nothing.
Preach it
Pleased with nothing? do u even know what u're talking about?
I'm pleased about world pvp quests, Mythic + systems, and all about legion, im playing everyday, but PVE is being broke by RNG and this fake balance in PVP makes no sense
how the fuck are you pleased with world pvp quests?
About the levelling thing, they are making BoA scale to 110 right? So that should fix that issue.
wotlk pvp had the best pacing? Were we playing the same game?
i got 900 ilvl without doing anything above emerald nightmare heroic B-)
Traktor Zetorn Same, I'm 898 just from doing world bosses and relinquished tokens. Haven't even touched Mythic+ since before 7.2, and haven't done any Heroic raids.
Lionhearte 898 and 900 isnt really that high so its kind of expected specially withe the titanforging system :/
im 906 on my monk and havent doing only dungeons
Gotten 902 ilvl and have not even ENTERED a SINGLE mythic dungeon. relinquished tokens and world quest rewards.
It lvl doesn't mean shit if the stats are all garbage.
Vid starts at 0:00
12 btw haHAA
Hey Asmon, been playing wow since late BC, I've played since legions release with a 2 month gap after EN and before ToV. What I do in the game is just gear up alts. I think it's fun to get to ~900+ ilvl on an alt to see how the playstyle is in heroic/a few mythic bosses.
I play fire mage and have stayed mainly for raiding. We are 5/10 in M nighthold at the moment :D hoping to get 8/10 or 9/10 before tomb.
I agree with the things you have sayed about titanforging even though i have 915 titanforged heroic shoulders. Titanforge should cap at mythic ilv.
Mythic+ have been fun for me except when i get a really bad group and deplete a key(i don't remember getting anything good from this chests, and with the incoming loot nerf well i won't be doing more than the weekly i think)
I don't do pvp(i do sometimes but only for the ap).
Tailoring was a joke as the Bloodtotem Saddle Blanket. Nice one blizz....
I really dislike the legendary system. I like the legendaries tough but it feels like you should be able to get them more quickly. I play regularly and get 1 each 4-5 weeks(got 7 ATM). I'm missing a second best in slot for ST, but i least i got lucky and got the aoe one first and the bis for singletarget 4°. Maybe it would be better if they timegated the legendaries, like. Do this quest that gets you an especific legendary, but you can choose wich one you want to each month(different quest, hopefully with something interesting in the middle not like [kill 20 demons], more like something lore related to the item).
That is it. Have a good day Asmond.
-Arwing Quel'Thalas
He speaks about reasons he quits WoW at 44:29
you little stinker
legion=massive grind
matthew williams So was vanilla, or any MMO for that matter
but its an even greater and more unnecessary grind than any of those
Greater than vanilla? You're joking right? Vanilla had even bigger grinds than Legion, atleast with the right AK+ the catchup AK= you can make your grind much faster (And easier)
like vanilla :D
You guys really dont get what vanilla was about. You guys may never now. True Warcraft fans, the fans that made WoW great, are the only ones that will keep asking for THAT game to come back.
I absolutely love the concemt of using the whole world, not just the current continent/zone. Maybe have a message board in the current main hub that tells what zone has the current invasion/fight. You go to that zone and the area scales to you, you get gold or xp or some tangeble reward and you have a reason to have the flight point to a zone or a shortcut to that zone. It would greatly inprove and increase the playability of the game.
Problems with titanforgedRNG is old now but still, it feels kinda weird. Im raiding mythic with my guild but i dont have much luck with procs. Im wearing 2 pieces with a +5 WF proc and i was lucky once and got 910 set piece from normal nighthold. But thats it. And then i know other ppl which havent even cleared heroic nighthold yet but allready have the same iLv as i have or an even higher one. Makes it kinda frustrating. Even more when you have high iLv stuff in your bags but just cant afford to use them since they have the wrong stats on them :/
3x2 is 12 Asmongold 2017
Jens-ole Larsen wen was this
I quit in November because my guild leaders couldn't find enough people to do mythic Emerald Nightmare. I still watch all of Asmongold's videos and some of his streams cuz I really like him. Wish I had a friend like him to play games with. All of my friends who played WoW were either shit or had too much of a social life to consistently play with me.
but yeah thing is with the artifact system is kind of like the garrison system in WoD where come legion that area was fixed/improved which made it less of a drag and something that makes you just log on everyday for
so i think it will improve and they will learn from mistakes like they have with alts until recent
a lot of guilds still wipe on botanist. we're 10/10 mythic and we wipe on botanist more than auger/elisande/guldan
Legion is a great game that is hamstrung by a myriad of awful systems design decisions. The content (questing, raiding, dungeons) is great, but everything else in Legion is downright atrocious. Legendaries, Titanforging, AK/AP grind, class design, PvP design, RNG in general. These things absolutely ruin the experience for me and many others.
While I hesitate to say Legion is the worst expansion to date, with WoD being so awful in different ways, I think I have enjoyed Legion the least of any time period in WoW. It's very hard to enjoy a game which feels like it's stringing you along with gambling and tiny RNG incentives. It's also difficult to enjoy a game in which your favorite classes are no longer fun, see: Hunters.
DJ_Marxman Exactly it feels like forced gamble/grind. Not fun. Bad systems agree 100%
Legion had a good kickoff but really it is going downhill.
Corek BleedingHollow always been WoW problem in mid game experience since Cataclysm
its dudines xd
its a game, everything in moderation, im having a blast, then again im just plain 900 and do casual stuff and pvp, so if you are hardcore, i think its likely now to get very burnt out.
Hmm disagree with the leveling thing, I found better ways of leveling this xpac than legion. Have you tried dalaran sewers on a rogue yet? It's great, you get the same exp you get per quest completed when you open up a chest. I leveled on my rogue mostly through the dalaran sewers.
For professions, why cant there be some patterns to craft mythic level gear that drop from mythic bosses only, patterns for heroic level gear drop on heroic only etc. You could have each profession just cover 1 or 2 slots (so you cant just go and buy a full set of mythic gear off the AH) and make the patterns cost a shitton of mats, but this way you could just choose to farm a lot and work towards a really good piece of gear. I feel like profession gear now is way to annoying to upgrade to max level and way to unrewarding as it still sucks when fully upgraded and is replaced in week one of doing the new raid on heroic.
Pvp died when they removed titles from 2s
Satimy when 5v5 was removed was the end for me
NOt at all. PvP died when Blizzard made wow to be able to spam abilites like diablo.
pvp died when. 1 they added rng to pvp. 2 put the ap grind. 3 put almost little to no rewards for pvp 5 turned it into diablo craft and started favoring raiders over pvpers instead of keeping us seperate. 6 took out pvp gear. 7 lack of class balance and attention compared to other expansions . so there is alot that went into to the death of pvp and hopefully they improve on these issues
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They should've made Titanforged gear obliterable into varies amounts of curious coins depending on the ilvl of the gear. And Curious Coin should be the currency to buy forge upgrades. We are having too much epic gear flooding into the game, enchanting is too cheap imo. Need a lot of the gears go into obliterum forge insteaded DE.
Great point about dungeon timers. i like challenging content but not a time based challenge. The strat is always throw caution to the wind and aor the whole dungeon down.
I wish we could have horde vs alliance pvp around the world like ashran but not bg or like the old days a world boss would spawn in goldshire and like everybody tries to kill them just to protect Your town but a realy powerfull one like more stronger then lfr bosses and that boss tries Crush stormwind or ogrimmar but not like an invasion wish thiese things ı am Türkısh cant write all the words right :D
Titanforging and AK ruined the meaningfulness of your grind and progression. THIS is the issue. Ruined progression.
I enjoy leveling alts and trying out new specs. It adds some newness to the game. Once I hit 110 and do a few mythic plus's the fun and novelty factor drops off when it's time to enter night hold.... And your right, doing the same raid on 9 different toons gets boring.
Hey Asmongold, I really appreciate your videos and guides. Keep it up man. I'm still playing legion, but I am starting to feel the burn out from doing the same things each week over and over again. Log on for dailies, do the raids, do my mythics, hopefully get gear that forges. I'm currently working on making an alt to break things up a little.
I honestly keep playing because I just want to be a badass warrior that wrecks shit and pulls big numbers lol. Maybe thats a shitty goal, but that's why I played fury.
i quit legion because too much rng, leggo system is a fucking joke lmfao
WOW PLAYERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUK THEY WANT. END of STORY...
BLITZ101 110% agree.
BLITZ101 finally someone speaks the truth
BLITZ101 This is true on so many levels and it applies to pretty much all MMO's i have played, blizzard gave too much rope and are now cornered by customers. Enix did same mistake in recent FF expansion, they almost killed whole raid scene in one tier because they listened community too much.
"You think you do, but you don't" famous quote that actually holds true when used in correct place.
Critical Mass In addition to what you just stated, Blizzard should stop listening to the community alltogether. The problem is that the ones who voice their opinion are the ones who get satisfied with nothing.
+BLITZ101 so true.
Started on Legion release, dropped few months after, tried on Kara release, dropped again and again on 7.2 and dropped few days ago again. Main reason for that is actually things that you talked to - legendary(I have only 2 of it on my shaman and it's garbage) and difficulties all over the place.
i don't rly like worldquests that much. but thats mainly because of the random spawns of them and the random reward. I rly hope they don't scrap the idea of adding normal dayli quests back into the game. it was really fullfilling to work for items for specific factions every day and i think that's one thing i missed the most in WoD. when I hit lv 100 I was like "so where are the daylis" but there werent any. One of the big arguments against daylis was in MoP that people burned out doing those, but i think adding back the 20 or 25 ( i cant remember exactly) daylis limitation would be a perfect solution.
I also miss the item rewards faction vendors gave. I still remember every item they gave you in wotlk and cataclysm. But now in legion they just give toys and pets :(
Wod introduced WQs by the way in the form of bonus objectives...its literally the same concept just recycled..like all of the content nowadays...wtb devs that actually play their own game and actually listen to player base feedback..
having to suramar questline on EVERY single alt is just fucking ridiculous...legion=GL having alts..
I.D.C INC u don't have to do suramar on every alt the fuck you talking about? I have 3 alts 890+ aint did shit in suramar and have flying
Do you have "Balance of Power" on you alts?? doubt it pleb, what about withered army wq??..stfu and think before you just pleb off ranting about shit you think you know...I wasn't referring to flying..
u sound so fucking stupid lol
get rekt and this is what you come back with?? your really a genius then haha..
Legion has all the annoying shit from Diablo 3 and it pretty much ruins an otherwise good expansion
Mohron Said no one ever.
Mohron No. Just no.
Mohron
Nope...
Vanilla wow is nostalgia, as for gameplay it's meh.
@ hopesedge You say that, but i've never played vanilla wow in my life until i started elysium and thats lasted me longer than legion did. I'm still playing vanilla where as on retail i quit pretty soon after.
I fully agree with titantforge creating a lot of fatigue. I'm still running hc NH purely for gul'dans loot having a chance of upgrading (I'm fury so as you're well that's depending on legendaries the chest, draught and tier legs) I don't want to farm the same raid on 2 different modes at the same time. that's technically another night of raiding I have to do even tho we already spend 3 nights a week on mythic
I started this game sometime in late April. So I've been playing 4+, maybe 5.x weeks now.
In that time I've maxed out a character, I'm at 88m AP to the next upgrade, give or take, ilvl 878 give or take, and I'm sort of out of things to do. My personal experience with pick-up raids is that everybody wants 900+ ilvl quick AP farming, so my dinky 878 ilvl toon isn't going to cut it. Still, there's 3 raid dungeons out so far and I'm 2/3 Normal and would *love* to at least try some heroic raid dungeons. Alas..
Since I can't join any, my sole means of gear progression seems to be mythic+ dungeons (very boring) or sentinax farming (yawn) - I haven't unlocked flying yet - I didn't unlock flying in WoD; I quit shortly after the new zone was released and only beat some of the bosses of HFC on Normal. I don't even think I finished it in LFG! So if I unlock flying I will feel like I've accomplished "more" this time than last. Oddly, playing less than I did in WoD.
Once I unlock flying I seriously don't know what I will do. I tried leveling an alt but the leveling experience is terrible. Then I think about the AP farming and feel even less motivated to play.
If I were to suggest something to returning players, it is to wait 12-15 months, or however long legion has been out, plus 3 months. You won't miss anything important and you can just steamroll through the content and save money. It also limits burnout and gives you some semblance of completion rather than apathy when you inevitably stop playing and wait for the next expansion.
Sorry Bliz.
I stopped reading at heroic raid dungeons.
i finally quit wow :D
Gore Howl "But I still watch videos about it and care enough to make troll comments"..... GG
Gore Howl I got 2 months left in my sub but I really struggle to get my money's worth lol.
so hard to click that "enter world" button knowing it's the same shiznit I've been doing for 8 months. I probably play 15 minutes a week at the most and that's to get the bladefist mog on my druid.
can't even level alts I get stuck wondering is it even worth and log right out watch some tv
Gore Howl I definitely feel you on this. my sub ran out this week, and unlike any other past time that it did run out in past expansions, this time, Im not rushing to pull out my credit card to resub. not sure if I will anytime soon either. it's not the expansion itself that makes me make that decision, its the current changes that has. js
Gore Howl ive freed myself, no legion freed us all
bought 5 wow tokens just because of your comments.
"It has such great content"
Like what content?
World Quests aka Content you've already done while leveling up and are now forced to do every single day?
3 raids with little to nothing between the bosses and like no lore in either of them, that people care about?
1. ''Already done while leveling''? i don't remember doing the Kirin tor quests during leveling
2. You pretty much sumarized most bosses from previous raids across all expansions, not just Legion. Also, ''no lore in either of them'', Xavious, Gul'dan, Helya,the nighmare dragons, the old god-ish in EN, they have lore if you take the time to read their description in the dungeon jornal
Every single elf boss in Nihgthold was introduced in Court of Stars.
The idea of Mythic ilvl being the cap of titanforging is very good in my opinion. But also I would like to see valor being added back now, so you can get maybe an heroic or mythic item and get it up to that max titanforge ilvl and so not being dependent on rng
In regards to leveling, you can easily pop out a level with rested xp through legion invasions. Yes invasions are hindered by time limits and poor timing overall (unless you plan it out via the public invasion time sheet on google sheets), and yes im talking about rested xp so this is a more selective case. Even with unrested xp you could get a half level or maybe more by doing invasions. Doing that with your daily legion dungeon should get you close or more than a level which would theoretically reduce the time spent in a particular legion zone you hate (for me that zone would be high mountain). So what I do is plan out the next invasion and get my alt in there, complete all the quests. Doing this 2-3 times will make it so I don't need to do highmaul, albeit I'm spending more time leveling (2-3 days). It is nice if you aren't in a rush to level an alt. Of course like you said 7 hrs ish to level an alt in legion zone to zone is faster, but more annoying when you don't want to hit those boring zones.
Peoples complain and quit the game... because it is too much to do... think i've seen it all by now.
Legion added titanforged and random legendarys + have the worst class design EVER in wow. People dont quit cause they have to much to do, they quit cause everything they can do is boring as fk.
Okay fair point. So they are bored with the game. Why not just quit instead of throwing tantrums about it? nothing blizzard do will please everyone. There will always be a small fraction that is not satisfyed with how wow is at a set time. But I would belive most can agree you are still having a better time in legion over wod. There are quite literary thousands of other good games out there, if you are burned out go and test them and see if the grass is greener on the other side. That is what I did in wod.
I did play wod for about 100 days. I agree that wod had way less content, but the content they had was much more rewarding and fun. Im going as far as saying that wod was twice as good as legion is, also wod is the second worst expantion imo.
Pretty sure legion will end with 3 mil subs or lower.
+Fogelvatten Well that is not the general populations opinion but sure I respect your opinion. Also I doubt we would ever know how many subs there are considering they stopped showing sub numbers in wod due to it dropping too much there. Also do you think garrison was rewarding and fun? xD
No meant the raid content, rest sucked :)
I've been playing since vanilla and to me (mostly warrior) even WoD was more enjoyable than Legion. The current game is atleast imo in it's worst state ever
Max Mustermann Never thought I'd say that but I have to agree with you. I actually miss WoD. It was a good expansion with good mechanics, the only thing it lacked was content.
Max Mustermann In WoD I could raid even tho I have small kids, the AP grind killed it for me in Legio
I agree... I was really looking forward to legion but when I started playing again (after 6 months of college) I grinded world quests, did a few mythic + dungeons and I got sick of it after a few weeks.
Questing seemed like it would be an improvement with the zones adjusting to your level so you can go to whichever one you would want to start from. When I went to level my alts I got bored of the quests after leveling my mage (alt) and I couldn't get myself to want to level all 5 of my alts because of it. Like Asmongold said, leveling in WoD was somehow way more fun with all the ways you can level... even with the garrison missions.
Leveling is my favorite part of WoW, I got bored of the dungeons this expansion after doing them so many times to grind for gear and AP...I was considering quitting and one day I deleted all my characters and quit WoW. Even though WoD didn't have a lot of content, for some reason I had way more fun playing it with my guild in HFC BRF, Highmaul and even PVP was more fun.
Sry but I dont remember that much from wod more than garrisons. What did you enjoy then?
Good raids. HFC was a blast. Killing Blackhand was so cool!
I still play but I've stopped raiding. I tried out for a top 100 guild and I was neck and neck with their other Frost DK for the one spot the raid wanted. Mechanics, damage, we were pretty even in both, but the first Frost lego I got was the worthless cloak and he got the BIS helm. Losing a raid spot due to RNG just really soured my look on raiding in this expansion.
Pretty much. I haven't even bought the expansion, played the beta in august for 2 weeks 8-10 hours a day and i felt like i've seen everything the game has to offer. They really need to bring back a sense of progression and gate certain parts of content behind difficulty (like what they did with Court of Stars and The Arcway).
Also, they need to fix titanforging. Every piece of gear should only roll up to the next difficulty's baseline itemlevel.
Legion fanboys are more annoying than people like Alexensual. You critisize the game in ANY way and they'll say things like "Dont play the game then faggot" "You try to make a better game". And if you ever mention the good times about vanilla theyll say "Take off your nostalgia tinted goggles Vanilla sucks and legion is way better no debate."
And all of this is true buddy.
You know what is more annoying? Seeing "Vanilla was better"" "Legion is dying" in every comment section from asswipes that dont even play the game.
If you love vanilla so much FUCKING PLAY IT instead of watching LEGION videos.
Kala Ta Btw "buddy" looking at your armory, you started in WoD and havent even killed mythic skorp. You never played vanilla and you suck at the game right now in Legion. Nice opinion
Kawhi Leonard So just because i started in wod, that means that i suck at the game and i cant have an opinion?
Vanilla was shit
PVP shit
QUESTING shit
RAIDING less shit than the others but it was still shit .
FIRST
That's exactly how i feel, i like to complete something then move on, primarily to an alt or try something iv never done, like pet battles. When it's very difficult to find completion on your main you feel like you can never move on, which instead just becomes tedious, boring and primarily, un fun...
If you do all the quests and extra quests, u can skip one zone, well and do a couple dungeons and class hall n all that