Neil was never a coward. He saw past conflict to a resolution. His example about his brother show that he was a crap combatant and knew his own weakness and therefore played to his strength of diplomat. Starting to feel he’s one of my favorites in this series
Guys. Stories are as long as they need to be. The only reason TV seasons used to be longer (they were only 22 min episodes btw) was *literally* because of advertising commitments.
@ProdCritic and I'm not saying 22 episodes are the way to go. But look at andor. 12 episode season. Nothing feels rushed, it doesn't feel like an extended film, and you had arcs. I think 12 is a good aim, and I think it let's the characters breathe more.
Or shut it down after it’s fired a shot or two, which hopefully only takes down the shields… you know, raise the stakes and tension a bit higher. Even though it’s cliché af. We all know the bomb gets defused at the last second or whatever. The time never has 5+ minutes left, and it never detonates. 🤷♀️
Or it's one of the races and they wiped them out. Someone in another comment said they found a statue in episode 1, after the first break, that he claims is of Neel's race, though it's in the background and out of focus.
I think they didnt flesh out more of the planet is because it might rune what they are doing... also we have 4 more episodes and 7 more planets that will shed more light on what these worlds where and the purpose... lots of cool theory's floating around which is what Star Wars should be... so glad to see that
I think we saw enough of this planet to move on to another one that has been destroyed. We learned a few critical things here, besides Smee having been here before. The kids did not recognize the stature. It seems At Attin does not have anything that might compare to it. The Supervisor’s Tower was basically a Command and Control Room situated on top of an elevator shaft. All the controls seemed designed for someone standing up, not sitting down. Why weren’t the native tribes interested in the spaceship? It could have tipped the scales in the clan war. The most significant piece of character development came from Jod. He seemed to pull a mind trick on his captors and then lied to the kids about using the credits to buy their freedom. If the spaceship was not very valuable to the inhabitants, then Republic credits would have been equally as worthless. Hides seemed to be the main currency, or one of many.
Am i the only one that kinda feels like it is similliar the Canto Bight section of Last Jedi, they go to a wierd place that acts as some backdrop for teaching some suposedly profound message about war/conflict?
Or you just have to take their word for it and not overthink it. For instance it seemed fishy they would put the kids in the same cell with Captain Silvo. What if he killed them to spite Captain Brutus? So it seemed it might be a setup to befriend them and learn what they know and follow them. But then the escape seemed real. If he hadn't gone back for the droid he could have disconnected the fuel line at his leisure and jumped out of there.
Totally agree with Naboo. Not a filler episode because it did give us character growth and significant clues towards the mystery. Once again needed to be longer to flesh out At Achrann and the conflict to make it feel like a real threat. The characters there really felt like NPCs from a kids' role playing TV show we used to have in the UK in the late 80s called Knightmare.
The problem between tribes was fairly simple enough that the kids should have solved it, perhaps using conflict resolution they learned in school. Also, both sides could have used kids as raiders while adults stayed home. Previous shows had callbacks to '80s movies, but this one not so much. It could have been _Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome,_ or _Lord of the Flies (1990 or 1963)._
If these are beneovlent gangs on the planet (traded with Jude Law instead of just robbing him).. then why are they even in battle armour? Why does Neal need to give those kids rations if rations are given out already? people seem to be giving this show too many breaks for its odd writing choices
Some warbands would value relations with traders in the interest of getting ‘more where that came from’ or munitions later down the line. This has a lot of historical real-world precedent. And some dialogue stated that they do trade with off worlders.
Rations are rarely generous portions. And we only have Jod's word for what went down with the hattans, which may not be entirely truthful. But tbh I didn't really buy into the conflict.
"It's bad writing" is really lazy if you don't explain why. Surely you studied and analysed text in both fiction and non-fiction whilst studying for your English degree? Person above used example to draw parallel with real world; it really is as simple as that. Just saying "bad writing (period)" whilst sucking on your pacifier is lazy and boring.
This was the first episode that made me like Fern. Up to this point, she’s been so annoying with her need to be in control. Her little emotional breakdown confirms that she’s just a scared kid who doesn’t know what to do in extraordinary situations. That’s how most kids (and some adults) would respond. My hope is that this is a turning point for her character where she recognizes to be a good leader, you must delicate. Not boss around.
I actually really enjoyed this episode and I liked the post apocalyptic version of their own planet. It kind of had a fallout vibe of war and madness. If each planet has their own thing or purpose in the old republic perhaps this planet was an arms manufacturing planet? It also could be like fallout in that these planets have some weird cruel social experiments going on.
You think you are desensitize to war? Like maybe its not look heres another war but look how lucky the kids are. One slip up and a hidden self sufficient plant can be wartorn instead of peaceful and boring.
I just hope none of the adults on-set are abusing the kids in any way. I have zero trust in these people, now. Too much has come out recently about how kids are treated and abused in Hollywood, and now I just worry for the kids.
I'm kinda tired of how in every episode that keep telling "we're kids" or the other characters acknowleding they're kids as if they don't trust the writing and think the audience will judge the kids' behaviour as if they're adults.
I wish we at least saw Jod's and SM-33's perspective when they got kidnapped. They were pretty cute this episode when Jod had to walk 33 down like he's his grandpa, but this episode weirdly did not want to show what happened with them. It reeks live action Star Wars show that doesn't have budget for engaging storytelling.
Who knows, maybe he pulled a jedi mind trick beacuse it felt too easy for him to just leave will all there stuff. He did buy them he said. The episode was kinda dumb. Like it feels like the episode would have been better if for some reason they came upon a tribe of orphans fighting off Stormtroopers. In fact , that sounds way better. They could keep everything about the admin tower.
It was cheap and lazy. They really do the bare minimum and stretch it way beyond what's acceptable. This show seemed different in that regard, but this episode was mostly filler, and not even entertaining filler. And the episodes are painfully short, so it's not like there was no time to show Jod negotiating
@@l10zzardk1ng2 This episode really made me feel like, 'Oh, nothing bad can "really" happen to them'. They aren't going to fight in a war or a battle, no ones going to get hurt. In the first few episodes felt like there was threat. It didn't help that this episode was just so 'unrealistic'. I can understand having the kids on the planet having their youth cut short but things cant be so bad that they conscripted 8 year olds to fight on the front line.
We only have Jod's say-so for what happened which violates the rule "Show, don't tell." For all we know he and SM-33 killed them all and took their animals. Or their "war" is a farce and they don't really kill people (Jod's weapon didn't work at the end), so he called their bluff by saying "Just shoot me." In any case the kids should have been able to solve this war by using conflict resolution they were taught in school to keep their planet peaceful for 1000 years.
It charms me, but it's no Andor. I'm intrigued by the mystery but Law and Frost's talents are wasted. These shows are tv movies stretched out like a pizza. If i could avoid spoilers, this would be binge&forget
“The first season” as of its definitely getting another? Tbf, I predicted this would be pretty decent before it released. Not amazing, but pretty good for what it is. Somewhere between a 6 and 8/10. I think it may have slightly better than 50-50 odds… but honestly probably not even quite 60-40 so far. Not based on what you’ve been saying and the polls of nobody watching and stuff. I think the reception is going to be SO MUCH BETTER than Acolyte but nearly the same as Andor so… if it breaks even at least, maybe they’ll do one more season… but if it loses money it’s dead. And it doesn’t sound like it’s gonna bring in nearly enough to make a significant profit. 🤷♀️ we’ll see.
It was filmed in 2021 and the kids have grown some. Probably not getting another with this cast, unless animated. Hard to say what makes a streaming show profitable.
Here, here! Not everything in a huge galaxy needs to be a Sith plot or Jedi secret. I’m more than happy for this to be a weird Old/High Republic experiment that droids kept running after the Republic’s fall. The only Force nonsense I want to see is for Neel’s race to be Force sensitive like Yoda’s race, just so that little sad sack can turn out to be the strongest of them all.
I’m going to be in the minority with my review of this series. IMO the logic, rationale and shear intelligence has been going down with each episode. Being perfectly honest, I just can’t dumb down my assessment to a low bar simply because it’s a show for children. Maybe I give too much credit to children and their intelligence but that’s my fault and something I will never regret doing. But I digress. The logic of episode 4 is so far the worst. As someone who has served in a war torn country, witnessing what children of these countries had to go through to survive and how the adults will never play such reindeer games either their children is something these writers need to learn the real lessons of life. And if you can’t do justice to the theme, write something else. This episode’s tongue in cheek portrayal is offensive to my senses. (This is my opinion and fully aware it may not be yours) This along with the many illogical aspects from the previous episodes: a space ship with tree roots growing through it somehow can fly into space, Wim who defended and vouched for Jod in all of episode 3 never once felt betrayed or lied to that his hero was lying about being a Jedi. Or even questioned how he tricked them - like did he use strings. My guess is he is force sensitive but was never trained in the Jedi way. I just think if you are going to tell a childish adventure story, stick to the childish themes. In Goonies, it’s finding pirate treasure to save their town. The writers didn’t have to use warring tribes. The writers could have used monsters or dangerous creatures to prove Neal’s laden heroism. I’ve ranted enough. Half way into the series the series has gotten too ridiculous. My 11 daughter stopped after the third episode. Good for her and her intelligent sensibilities. As for me, I’m like Naboo. Once I start something I have to finish it.
They both could have used children as scouts, saying neither side kills kids. Then it might have seemed like _Lord of the Flies_ or _Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome._ And the "war" was simple enough that it could have been something the kids could figure out using conflict resolution taught in school to make their planet peaceful for 1000 years. We never saw anyone shoot each other or kill each other in this "war" so maybe they're just playing at war, and Jod called their bluff when he said "Just shoot me?" His gun didn't work in the tower, so maybe the weapons aren't really lethal? Made me think of the song "Games without Frontiers"
@@sandal_thong8631 I don’t think your Lord of the Flies and MMBTD are good examples. Both those movie/novel has themes around the idea that only the strong will survive. Neither of those movie/novel address the lessons of conflict resolution. Not sure what you are referring to or the point you are trying to make. As I stated before, the wrong lessons are being portrayed especially when I have seen first hand families struggling in real conflicts and children witnessing what real war looks like. I also ask that you please refrain from any more comments that make light of child soldiers, child bombings, children prisoners of war. Also, Jod bartering does not resolve any future disputes. If any thing conflict could easily escalate. What if there was another raid, who will come by next to buy back the stolen herd. At the same time, getting paid to steal is the reason we never pay in a hostage situation.
@@Aetoski It doesn’t have the coordinates to At Attin, only to At Achran because Khymm didn’t put all of her effort into finding the right coordinates; she was buying time for the New Republic to show up. Besides, she never said she found the coordinates, not even when KB checked in on her, because there were still too many worlds that fulfilled the criteria the kids offered (99,9% was eliminated, leaving a few thousands as possible coordinates for At Attin). Think, human, think!
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Neil was never a coward. He saw past conflict to a resolution. His example about his brother show that he was a crap combatant and knew his own weakness and therefore played to his strength of diplomat.
Starting to feel he’s one of my favorites in this series
I think these episodes need to be longer or the season needs to be longer. These 4 hour movies disguised as shows are starting to annoy me.
The problem of star wars streaming series, it's a dumb system..
Guys. Stories are as long as they need to be. The only reason TV seasons used to be longer (they were only 22 min episodes btw) was *literally* because of advertising commitments.
@ProdCritic stories are, sure but the episodes are still Short AF
@ProdCritic and I'm not saying 22 episodes are the way to go. But look at andor. 12 episode season. Nothing feels rushed, it doesn't feel like an extended film, and you had arcs. I think 12 is a good aim, and I think it let's the characters breathe more.
Remember the old sci-fi cable shows that would run to 20 episodes per season? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I think the ending will involve the adults having to shut down At Attin's gun so that it doesn't shoot down the kids when they return.
Or shut it down after it’s fired a shot or two, which hopefully only takes down the shields… you know, raise the stakes and tension a bit higher. Even though it’s cliché af. We all know the bomb gets defused at the last second or whatever. The time never has 5+ minutes left, and it never detonates. 🤷♀️
Plot twist they never come home since they'll find home on a planet with their parents who isn't mind controlled by robots.
No. Only Neel knows of it. So he will go up there to use it against enemies, like pirates.
0:51 Can't say I remember no At Attin!
my kids loved it
Thanks for sharing. Kids didn't express their opinion of _The Phantom Menace_ online so it was one-sided negative.
I think the statue is headless because these people found out the truth and revolted and thats how the head goes missing
Or it's one of the races and they wiped them out. Someone in another comment said they found a statue in episode 1, after the first break, that he claims is of Neel's race, though it's in the background and out of focus.
This episode reminded me so much of The Great Divide episode of last airbender
I think they didnt flesh out more of the planet is because it might rune what they are doing... also we have 4 more episodes and 7 more planets that will shed more light on what these worlds where and the purpose... lots of cool theory's floating around which is what Star Wars should be... so glad to see that
I think we saw enough of this planet to move on to another one that has been destroyed. We learned a few critical things here, besides Smee having been here before.
The kids did not recognize the stature. It seems At Attin does not have anything that might compare to it.
The Supervisor’s Tower was basically a Command and Control Room situated on top of an elevator shaft. All the controls seemed designed for someone standing up, not sitting down.
Why weren’t the native tribes interested in the spaceship? It could have tipped the scales in the clan war.
The most significant piece of character development came from Jod. He seemed to pull a mind trick on his captors and then lied to the kids about using the credits to buy their freedom.
If the spaceship was not very valuable to the inhabitants, then Republic credits would have been equally as worthless. Hides seemed to be the main currency, or one of many.
Maybe Jod and SM-33 killed them all and took the animals? Or they don't really shoot people, so he called their bluff by saying "Just shoot me."
There’s a statue on at attin in somewhat the same pose and it’s of neel’s species.
Woooo which scene ?
@ it’s in the first episode.
Ok, I see a statue that could be that in front of a building when show comes back from the first break and the bus comes out of the tunnel.
Somebody forgot the advent calendar. Don't forget to have your wookies spade and neutored.
SM-33 = Supervisor Model 33.
Nice
Considering the planet seems to be run mostly by robots, I'd be surprised if the overseer *isn't* a robot.
Am i the only one that kinda feels like it is similliar the Canto Bight section of Last Jedi, they go to a wierd place that acts as some backdrop for teaching some suposedly profound message about war/conflict?
I like that they don't spell everything out, whilst also moving things along. Imagination fills in the blanks.
Or you just have to take their word for it and not overthink it.
For instance it seemed fishy they would put the kids in the same cell with Captain Silvo. What if he killed them to spite Captain Brutus? So it seemed it might be a setup to befriend them and learn what they know and follow them. But then the escape seemed real. If he hadn't gone back for the droid he could have disconnected the fuel line at his leisure and jumped out of there.
8:20 - it’s called a SnorriCam, guys.
Totally agree with Naboo. Not a filler episode because it did give us character growth and significant clues towards the mystery. Once again needed to be longer to flesh out At Achrann and the conflict to make it feel like a real threat. The characters there really felt like NPCs from a kids' role playing TV show we used to have in the UK in the late 80s called Knightmare.
The problem between tribes was fairly simple enough that the kids should have solved it, perhaps using conflict resolution they learned in school. Also, both sides could have used kids as raiders while adults stayed home. Previous shows had callbacks to '80s movies, but this one not so much. It could have been _Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome,_ or _Lord of the Flies (1990 or 1963)._
This show is not disappointing so far. Compared to Book of Boba Fett, Kenobi, Mando 3, Ahsoka and Space Lesbians, this is gold.
If these are beneovlent gangs on the planet (traded with Jude Law instead of just robbing him).. then why are they even in battle armour? Why does Neal need to give those kids rations if rations are given out already? people seem to be giving this show too many breaks for its odd writing choices
Some warbands would value relations with traders in the interest of getting ‘more where that came from’ or munitions later down the line. This has a lot of historical real-world precedent. And some dialogue stated that they do trade with off worlders.
@@RenegadeMaster137 its just bad writing.. its ok to say it
Rations are rarely generous portions. And we only have Jod's word for what went down with the hattans, which may not be entirely truthful. But tbh I didn't really buy into the conflict.
It’s called bad storytelling with bad writers.
"It's bad writing" is really lazy if you don't explain why. Surely you studied and analysed text in both fiction and non-fiction whilst studying for your English degree?
Person above used example to draw parallel with real world; it really is as simple as that. Just saying "bad writing (period)" whilst sucking on your pacifier is lazy and boring.
This was the first episode that made me like Fern. Up to this point, she’s been so annoying with her need to be in control. Her little emotional breakdown confirms that she’s just a scared kid who doesn’t know what to do in extraordinary situations. That’s how most kids (and some adults) would respond. My hope is that this is a turning point for her character where she recognizes to be a good leader, you must delicate. Not boss around.
I actually really enjoyed this episode and I liked the post apocalyptic version of their own planet. It kind of had a fallout vibe of war and madness. If each planet has their own thing or purpose in the old republic perhaps this planet was an arms manufacturing planet? It also could be like fallout in that these planets have some weird cruel social experiments going on.
Like a lot of the Disney+ series, it needed a little more time in the episode to go a little deeper. Still some good moments and had fun though.
You think you are desensitize to war? Like maybe its not look heres another war but look how lucky the kids are. One slip up and a hidden self sufficient plant can be wartorn instead of peaceful and boring.
Thor, please stop mispronouncing Jod. It's not Jod like ode, it's Jod like odd. He says his own name IN THE SHOW
I just hope none of the adults on-set are abusing the kids in any way. I have zero trust in these people, now. Too much has come out recently about how kids are treated and abused in Hollywood, and now I just worry for the kids.
I'm kinda tired of how in every episode that keep telling "we're kids" or the other characters acknowleding they're kids as if they don't trust the writing and think the audience will judge the kids' behaviour as if they're adults.
I wish we at least saw Jod's and SM-33's perspective when they got kidnapped. They were pretty cute this episode when Jod had to walk 33 down like he's his grandpa, but this episode weirdly did not want to show what happened with them. It reeks live action Star Wars show that doesn't have budget for engaging storytelling.
Who knows, maybe he pulled a jedi mind trick beacuse it felt too easy for him to just leave will all there stuff. He did buy them he said. The episode was kinda dumb.
Like it feels like the episode would have been better if for some reason they came upon a tribe of orphans fighting off Stormtroopers. In fact , that sounds way better. They could keep everything about the admin tower.
It was cheap and lazy. They really do the bare minimum and stretch it way beyond what's acceptable. This show seemed different in that regard, but this episode was mostly filler, and not even entertaining filler.
And the episodes are painfully short, so it's not like there was no time to show Jod negotiating
@@l10zzardk1ng2 This episode really made me feel like, 'Oh, nothing bad can "really" happen to them'. They aren't going to fight in a war or a battle, no ones going to get hurt. In the first few episodes felt like there was threat. It didn't help that this episode was just so 'unrealistic'. I can understand having the kids on the planet having their youth cut short but things cant be so bad that they conscripted 8 year olds to fight on the front line.
We only have Jod's say-so for what happened which violates the rule "Show, don't tell." For all we know he and SM-33 killed them all and took their animals. Or their "war" is a farce and they don't really kill people (Jod's weapon didn't work at the end), so he called their bluff by saying "Just shoot me." In any case the kids should have been able to solve this war by using conflict resolution they were taught in school to keep their planet peaceful for 1000 years.
It charms me, but it's no Andor. I'm intrigued by the mystery but Law and Frost's talents are wasted. These shows are tv movies stretched out like a pizza. If i could avoid spoilers, this would be binge&forget
I haven’t seen anyone else say anything about SM-33 being a reference to Mr. Smee from Peter Pan. I can’t be the only one who caught it.
No, everyone was saying that after the second episode.
I liked the episode it was almost like a filler episode until the next one
“The first season” as of its definitely getting another? Tbf, I predicted this would be pretty decent before it released. Not amazing, but pretty good for what it is. Somewhere between a 6 and 8/10. I think it may have slightly better than 50-50 odds… but honestly probably not even quite 60-40 so far. Not based on what you’ve been saying and the polls of nobody watching and stuff. I think the reception is going to be SO MUCH BETTER than Acolyte but nearly the same as Andor so… if it breaks even at least, maybe they’ll do one more season… but if it loses money it’s dead. And it doesn’t sound like it’s gonna bring in nearly enough to make a significant profit. 🤷♀️ we’ll see.
It was filmed in 2021 and the kids have grown some. Probably not getting another with this cast, unless animated. Hard to say what makes a streaming show profitable.
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The beginning of the episode, and particularly the whole babysitting thing, was cringeworthy.
I disliked the heavy handedness of the episode, i think 1 other jewel planet is a guaranteed visit.
It was my least favorite. I dislike the whole post apocalyptic war of factions...
Here, here! Not everything in a huge galaxy needs to be a Sith plot or Jedi secret. I’m more than happy for this to be a weird Old/High Republic experiment that droids kept running after the Republic’s fall. The only Force nonsense I want to see is for Neel’s race to be Force sensitive like Yoda’s race, just so that little sad sack can turn out to be the strongest of them all.
Was the worst so far but miles above the slop of previous shows
I’m going to be in the minority with my review of this series. IMO the logic, rationale and shear intelligence has been going down with each episode. Being perfectly honest, I just can’t dumb down my assessment to a low bar simply because it’s a show for children. Maybe I give too much credit to children and their intelligence but that’s my fault and something I will never regret doing. But I digress.
The logic of episode 4 is so far the worst. As someone who has served in a war torn country, witnessing what children of these countries had to go through to survive and how the adults will never play such reindeer games either their children is something these writers need to learn the real lessons of life. And if you can’t do justice to the theme, write something else. This episode’s tongue in cheek portrayal is offensive to my senses. (This is my opinion and fully aware it may not be yours) This along with the many illogical aspects from the previous episodes: a space ship with tree roots growing through it somehow can fly into space, Wim who defended and vouched for Jod in all of episode 3 never once felt betrayed or lied to that his hero was lying about being a Jedi. Or even questioned how he tricked them - like did he use strings. My guess is he is force sensitive but was never trained in the Jedi way.
I just think if you are going to tell a childish adventure story, stick to the childish themes. In Goonies, it’s finding pirate treasure to save their town. The writers didn’t have to use warring tribes. The writers could have used monsters or dangerous creatures to prove Neal’s laden heroism.
I’ve ranted enough. Half way into the series the series has gotten too ridiculous. My 11 daughter stopped after the third episode. Good for her and her intelligent sensibilities. As for me, I’m like Naboo. Once I start something I have to finish it.
They both could have used children as scouts, saying neither side kills kids. Then it might have seemed like _Lord of the Flies_ or _Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome._ And the "war" was simple enough that it could have been something the kids could figure out using conflict resolution taught in school to make their planet peaceful for 1000 years.
We never saw anyone shoot each other or kill each other in this "war" so maybe they're just playing at war, and Jod called their bluff when he said "Just shoot me?" His gun didn't work in the tower, so maybe the weapons aren't really lethal? Made me think of the song "Games without Frontiers"
@@sandal_thong8631 I don’t think your Lord of the Flies and MMBTD are good examples. Both those movie/novel has themes around the idea that only the strong will survive. Neither of those movie/novel address the lessons of conflict resolution. Not sure what you are referring to or the point you are trying to make. As I stated before, the wrong lessons are being portrayed especially when I have seen first hand families struggling in real conflicts and children witnessing what real war looks like. I also ask that you please refrain from any more comments that make light of child soldiers, child bombings, children prisoners of war.
Also, Jod bartering does not resolve any future disputes. If any thing conflict could easily escalate. What if there was another raid, who will come by next to buy back the stolen herd. At the same time, getting paid to steal is the reason we never pay in a hostage situation.
It was clearly the weakest episode, so far, but i still liked it.
This show sounds really boring
Worst episode by a mile
They already have a map... just use it
@@Aetoski They don’t have a map.
@@LuchtLeiderNederland right.. just a data card with coordinates.. but not a map... definitely not a map
@@Aetoski It doesn’t have the coordinates to At Attin, only to At Achran because Khymm didn’t put all of her effort into finding the right coordinates; she was buying time for the New Republic to show up. Besides, she never said she found the coordinates, not even when KB checked in on her, because there were still too many worlds that fulfilled the criteria the kids offered (99,9% was eliminated, leaving a few thousands as possible coordinates for At Attin).
Think, human, think!
@@LuchtLeiderNederland Which they could just take to another data bank and finish completing the map....THINK HUMAN THINK