@@Nico-rj5mxno, it doesnt..... Take it from someone who fixes amos and guitars for a living. Get a GOOD soldering iron, scuff the metal with sandpaper, heat up the surface THEN flow the solder. I would never put citric acid or salt solutions on a $5000 amp chassis. Dude is trolling with this bunk nonsense.
@moonboogien8908 Why would you solder something expensive with salt water though? Isn't it obvious that you gotta use the right tools for the job? The argument doesn't befit the situation when you'd go for salt water. That aside... Most probably your solder wire has flux in it, which is corrosive. There are "no-clean" fluxes of course, but you know, after soldering, you should clean the pcb from the flux anyway. It's sticky and disgusting. If you use no flux at all, and use sand paper on contacts for real, then that's not how it's done either. Use a flux. Just, an appropriate one.
Imho it is not a cleaning of surface. The idea is that he is causing a microetching of the iron surface by use of weak acids. The causes a mechanical adhesion of the solder
Wrong, he is soldering to aluminum. Alcohol cleaning and non-cheap but regular flux don't cut it. His joint is not likely to be very good the way he did it, but he still managed to get adhesion by using acid to eat away the aluminum oxide layer and the water to slow down re-oxidation. Frankly I would sooner saturate a piece of steel wool in plumber's tinning flux, use abrasion from the steel wool to let that remove the oxidation and then the petroleum jelly base keeps the oxygen out till soldered (some would advise to just use an oil bath/coating instead). Again this is for aluminum. If it had been mild steel instead, it would have been a walk in the park without the rest.
The way the solder beaded-up on the last one, I'm fairly confident the solder is stuck on just by the flux. He's just not hitting it at the right angle and/or hard enough to break the flux THIS TIME after he uses his "salt" method.
I think there's a reason why no professional uses that "trick". Corrosion being the main one. Doing things on the cheap side generally comes with a higher price in the not so long term.
Note how hard he has to try to pull the solder off the first time, then how gingerly he taps it with his finger after the 'genius salt trick'. Goddamn clickbait..
Таким жалом толстую жесть не прогреть, поверxность соприкосновения маленькая, даже с xорошим флюсом не запаять. Xорошая пайка должна смачивать металл и растекаться, а не сворачиваться в шарик
That makes no sense. Surface area increase is not required at all for proper soldering. However, removing surface oxidation/corrosion is required for a good solder joint so the acid has a benefit whether you chose to increase the surface area or not. Abrasion is another method of removing a surface oxidation layer but in the case of aluminum, the oxidation reforms immediately so it is helpful to have the acid still present. Plus, you have to concede that when using the solder, either you had to add some (at least mild) acid flux to it if it didn't already have that IN the solder. More often than not, if soldering something meant to be soldered, you don't need or want the extra step of scratching (or other abrasive removal) of that oxidation layer, but in the case of aluminum, you have to work against exposure to air and the oxygen it brings with it.
It is just a basic Acid flux though the basic lesson us use a larger Iron and the flux in the solder would have worked. Finally do not use this flux for electrical / electronic work because you have to remove all traces because it is very corrosive as far as most metals are concerned.
Salt is a common fluxer for melting down bear/soda cans, but its noware near as flow effective as pure rosin flux avalible off shelf today for leaded and non-leaded solder mixes, most people use the no clean tacky fluxes for electronics, but the common soldering iron is now temprature controlled even at the 15USD price point so wetting large area metal like this is easy when almost any iron can do 500c on the mid range.
It is below freezing, so too cold to go out onto the lawn to try this. Glad to see he aspirated the syringe before applying solution to the plate. I think he chose a tip size for the iron that he knew would not fail him...
так тут не в солі сенс а в лимонній кислоті. це так і називається - пайка кислотою. один из різновидів - це лимонна. не треба вода і не треба сіль. достатньо просто пару камінців кислоти. кислота знімає окси роблячи захисний шар. але така пайка не дуже надійна.
@@EuroDJнизкотемпературными припоями для алюминия надежней чем пайка оловянно-свинцовым припоем, аргонная сварка еще надежней и крепче, смотря для каких целей применять. Низкотемпературные припои с флюсом для алюминия есть в продаже на алике, пайка газовой горелкой.
Same result with few strokes with brush dipped in hydrochloric acid use in many households. It's recommended to clear all tinny parts of model prior solder made from thin strips cut from sheet metal or copper.
Да этот человек несомненно гений. Он до этого придумал пихать паяльник сеье в жопу. Рад что он даже с пришкваренным анусом продолжает творить чудеса. ))
Could you show that salt and water stirring action again, not quite sure I got it. I'll be sure to remember this the next time I need to build a circuit that quickly corrodes into a toxic waste dump, if I can just figure out how to stir salt into water.
By scraping your iron on the surface of the metal you scraped away the layer of oxidation allowing the solder to bond to it. The saltwater has nothing to do with it.
Well crap, I watched it, thought how stupid it was, then saw the comment from @wg7644... thank you for at least making the attempt to save us. The real issue here that salt isn't going to magically solve is 1) Way too low power of a soldering iron... the aluminum just soaks up the heat from a 30 or 40 watt iron too fast. 2) Aluminum has an oxide layer that melts at 3 times the temperature of raw aluminum... in the range of 3,600 to 3,700 degree Fahrenheit.... need to remove that with some sanding then immediately solder with a bigger iron. 3) A ball of solder barely stuck to the surface is no better than one that doesn't stick at all.
Du machst immer wieder das gleiche Video mit den gleichen Fehlern. Höre doch einfach auf, im Netzt slchen Schrott zu posten. Das hilft nich wirklich jemanden.
России в общем-то уже и нет. Если НЕ врать самим себе. Четверть страны просто утеряна или уничтожена. Половина населения сбежало с этой раздолбанной помойки навсегда. Экономики больше нет. В стране нищета, разруха и безработица. Копеечные зарплаты. И абсолютно никакой надежды на будущее..................................................
And how does that work on copper claddings ? Bringing the hot tip of a soldering iron in contact with water increases hardness (quenching effect) of the tip and eventually it become brittle and thus loses its life.
If you want to buy a new soldering tip every time, you can do it this way yes🤣🤣🤣🤘. Every soldering professional: Don't let your soldering tips run too hot for too long and always store them tinned. Never clean them with liquid cleaning agents but only with a sponge or preferably brass wool. The guy in this video: Always up there with salt and acid!!! Of course also with a hot tip!!!
Das Lötzinn klebt zwar an dem Blech, aber eine ordentliche Lötstelle sieht anders aus. Absolut úngeeignet, dauerhafte Verbindungen zu schaffen. Mit dem Salz und der Zitrone zerstörst du zwar die Oxidschicht, welche die Verbindung verhindert, aber richtigen Halt ergib das nicht. zu erkennen an der Kugelform des Zinns
You just created liquid that ate the surface of your plate in order for the lead to anchor itself. Heat up the plate enough to let the lead do its work.
Он еще про нашатырь не в курсе))))))) и да, жало надо выбрать не для демонтажа а для пайки! Залуженое жало упростит пайку))) соль тут не причем, канифоль в ПРИПОЕ делает свое дело. Лимонная кислота поможет на алюминии.
As we can see, the results were the same before and after. The video author didnt even dare to pick the solder globules as hard as before.The acid solution they made was not sufficient to etch away the oxide layer for the solder to wet the substrate (solder was still a globule. If it worked, the solder would have had a much lpwer contact angle)
I’m confused the point of it and what your doing with it on what your using it on. I’m assuming you are saying that this is some sort kind of homemade flux so why not tested it out on a circuit board or solder 2 wires together & then see how well it works. Or a terminal to a battery or something besides a piece of metal.
Чем хорош интернет, так это тем, что ярко показывает безграничную глупость таких вот "блохеров" 🤣🤣🤣
👍👍
А раньше только в семье знали что он идиот
The worst part is, they're wasting our time
@@mkarslan66 Полностью с вами согласен, уважаемый...
@@ПРОСТОЧЕЛОВЕК-я7о научили дурака пользоваться камерой
Don't waste your time watching this.
Why it makes sense
😅😢
@@Nico-rj5mxno, it doesnt.....
Take it from someone who fixes amos and guitars for a living.
Get a GOOD soldering iron, scuff the metal with sandpaper, heat up the surface THEN flow the solder.
I would never put citric acid or salt solutions on a $5000 amp chassis.
Dude is trolling with this bunk nonsense.
@moonboogien8908
Why would you solder something expensive with salt water though?
Isn't it obvious that you gotta use the right tools for the job? The argument doesn't befit the situation when you'd go for salt water.
That aside...
Most probably your solder wire has flux in it, which is corrosive.
There are "no-clean" fluxes of course, but you know, after soldering, you should clean the pcb from the flux anyway. It's sticky and disgusting.
If you use no flux at all, and use sand paper on contacts for real, then that's not how it's done either.
Use a flux. Just, an appropriate one.
@moonboogien8908 if you're broke and stuck at home I'd try this shit lol. But I use 4 to 1 phosphoric acid as my flux
Tip Tinner, Isopropyl cleaning agent and dont use cheap flux. Simples... save the salt for your fish and chips
Imho it is not a cleaning of surface. The idea is that he is causing a microetching of the iron surface by use of weak acids. The causes a mechanical adhesion of the solder
2.2 seconds with sandpaper works, too.
Wrong, he is soldering to aluminum. Alcohol cleaning and non-cheap but regular flux don't cut it.
His joint is not likely to be very good the way he did it, but he still managed to get adhesion by using acid to eat away the aluminum oxide layer and the water to slow down re-oxidation. Frankly I would sooner saturate a piece of steel wool in plumber's tinning flux, use abrasion from the steel wool to let that remove the oxidation and then the petroleum jelly base keeps the oxygen out till soldered (some would advise to just use an oil bath/coating instead). Again this is for aluminum. If it had been mild steel instead, it would have been a walk in the park without the rest.
@@stinkycheese804~ Pretty sure I've seen better cold solder joints than this. My eighth grade shop teacher would be appalled. 🤣😂
The way the solder beaded-up on the last one, I'm fairly confident the solder is stuck on just by the flux. He's just not hitting it at the right angle and/or hard enough to break the flux THIS TIME after he uses his "salt" method.
Лучше бы жало паяльника привёл в порядок, чем этой хернёй страдать.
Жало в жопе братка😊 а это пика точеная😂
И паяльник побольше…
Прикольно, как ничего не паялось, так ничего и не припаялось, для таких в аду котел есть😅
Так это паяльник для точных работ. А такой лист прогреть кувалда горячая нужна!
@@СергейК-х2у "Гениальным" паяльщикам невдомёк, что паяемые детали следует нагреть до температуры плавления припоя. Они "умеют" паять холодные детали.
Херня! Видно же, что металл не облудился! Припой стоит шариком! Создателя на кол, чтобы народ не баламутил!!!
I think there's a reason why no professional uses that "trick". Corrosion being the main one.
Doing things on the cheap side generally comes with a higher price in the not so long term.
Note how hard he has to try to pull the solder off the first time, then how gingerly he taps it with his finger after the 'genius salt trick'. Goddamn clickbait..
It doesn’t work, nor it even should work for the purpose of soldering. I think this is one of the “troll em hard” videos 😂
He calls himself a genius, obviously he is a seriously re***ded guy
Brooo flux is actually cheaper 😂😂😂
not solt .it is acid limon
Срочно нужен какой-то закон, для таких Существ!!! Эти Члены общества, до добра не доведут нашу цивилизацию((((
+1
Это вы про кого?
Доктор Дью - такой человек
пока не было интернета, только родственники знали, что я тупой...🤣🤣
Взял бы ножом ковырнул или отверткой , чтобы качество пайки показать. А так, погладил пальцем 😅
Соль тут вообще не причём!Это работает лимонная кислота.Можно ещё взять Аспирин,но он сильно воняет,но очень хорошо работает.
а можно залубитить свечкой
Таким жалом толстую жесть не прогреть, поверxность соприкосновения маленькая, даже с xорошим флюсом не запаять. Xорошая пайка должна смачивать металл и растекаться, а не сворачиваться в шарик
Тоже так подумал. Но у него настоящий европейский, свободный, толерантный паяльник! Такой может всё! Или китайский, а это моща не меньше 5 киловатт!
В первом случае отковыривал олово от пластины с усилием, во втором изображал отковыривание. Что только не сделаешь - лишь бы не работать!
Соль не работает, лимонная кислота работает как флюс
Очень поучительное видео как делать шарики из олова, спасибо от всего дома престарелых фантазёров.
The same person who shot the video and wrote in the video, "This man is a genius?"
RUclips is full of these GENIUSES. The blind leading the blind.
А будущее из фильма "Идеократия " походу уже наступило =)))
Идиократия ! От слова Идиот !
By scratching the target its surface area is increased. No need for acid at all.
I'll keep doing it MY WAY
That makes no sense. Surface area increase is not required at all for proper soldering. However, removing surface oxidation/corrosion is required for a good solder joint so the acid has a benefit whether you chose to increase the surface area or not. Abrasion is another method of removing a surface oxidation layer but in the case of aluminum, the oxidation reforms immediately so it is helpful to have the acid still present. Plus, you have to concede that when using the solder, either you had to add some (at least mild) acid flux to it if it didn't already have that IN the solder.
More often than not, if soldering something meant to be soldered, you don't need or want the extra step of scratching (or other abrasive removal) of that oxidation layer, but in the case of aluminum, you have to work against exposure to air and the oxygen it brings with it.
It is just a basic Acid flux though the basic lesson us use a larger Iron and the flux in the solder would have worked. Finally do not use this flux for electrical / electronic work because you have to remove all traces because it is very corrosive as far as most metals are concerned.
totally agree
Legend has it, the Genius is Turning up soon
got the tracking # by chance?
really good trolling
6/10
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed the trolling, stay tuned for more inventive hacks coming your way! 😉🔧
Таблетка аспирина лечит не только голову.
It didn't even wet properly, a bit more of a decent scrape/pull on the blob and it would have come off.
Thanks for comments
А что же ты не приложил такое же усилие как и к первой капле?
The citric acid must be acting as an antioxidant, much as rosin flux does.
Salt is a common fluxer for melting down bear/soda cans, but its noware near as flow effective as pure rosin flux avalible off shelf today for leaded and non-leaded solder mixes, most people use the no clean tacky fluxes for electronics, but the common soldering iron is now temprature controlled even at the 15USD price point so wetting large area metal like this is easy when almost any iron can do 500c on the mid range.
A good example how to ruin your soldering eqipment.
Well, at least he's thinking outside the box! 🔥🧂
It is below freezing, so too cold to go out onto the lawn to try this. Glad to see he aspirated the syringe before applying solution to the plate. I think he chose a tip size for the iron that he knew would not fail him...
He choose the iron size pretty well also :-DDD
так тут не в солі сенс а в лимонній кислоті. це так і називається - пайка кислотою. один из різновидів - це лимонна. не треба вода і не треба сіль. достатньо просто пару камінців кислоти. кислота знімає окси роблячи захисний шар. але така пайка не дуже надійна.
ви пишите така пайка не дуже надiйна... а яка тодi надiйна? )
@@EuroDJнизкотемпературными припоями для алюминия надежней чем пайка оловянно-свинцовым припоем, аргонная сварка еще надежней и крепче, смотря для каких целей применять. Низкотемпературные припои с флюсом для алюминия есть в продаже на алике, пайка газовой горелкой.
А если перевернуть табурет, можно посадить 4 х таких блогеров😅
жопой на ножки?
A small piece of sand paper works better and quicker
Эффект херня.Лучше использовать обычную таблетку аспирина .если нет кислоты или канифоли.
Thank you.
We are about file patent for this kind of technology !
That's fantastic news! 🙌 Can't wait to see where this technology goes!
Same result with few strokes with brush dipped in hydrochloric acid use in many households. It's recommended to clear all tinny parts of model prior solder made from thin strips cut from sheet metal or copper.
Да этот человек несомненно гений. Он до этого придумал пихать паяльник сеье в жопу. Рад что он даже с пришкваренным анусом продолжает творить чудеса. ))
Anti-Genius is more like it. all you need is a lot of heat, and the right kinda solder. Brazing is stronger, that is why they don't use that method.
Ilmu nyolder yg bermanfaat
Could you show that salt and water stirring action again, not quite sure I got it. I'll be sure to remember this the next time I need to build a circuit that quickly corrodes into a toxic waste dump, if I can just figure out how to stir salt into water.
Sorry for the confusion! Just bring the salt to the soldering iron and watch the magic happen ✨🔥🧂.
By scraping your iron on the surface of the metal you scraped away the layer of oxidation allowing the solder to bond to it. The saltwater has nothing to do with it.
By scraping the iron, oxidation is removed for better soldering! 💡👍.
@@CreativeHacker7 Wait... so you're agreeing with me that your video was misleading? That's a first.
1) поверхность металла перед пайкой "ЗАЧИСТИТЬ"
2) Для этого,существует "ПАЯЛЬНАЯ КИСЛОТА"
😂
Для нас кислота, а для него СОЛЬ! 🤣
روعة جدا جدا تسلم الايادى روعة بجد اشكرك
the problem here is that i watched the video BEFORE looking at the comments. i shoulda known better...
Haha, always good to check the comments first! 😄
Well done man Congratulations
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video 🙌🔥.
The brain is in good shape.
And how would you do the 'trick' soldering a pcb board or just any wired connection?
Or you could just use solder flux, which is what solder flux is for....
He does't use soldering flux because he is a GENIUS :)
Well crap, I watched it, thought how stupid it was, then saw the comment from @wg7644... thank you for at least making the attempt to save us. The real issue here that salt isn't going to magically solve is 1) Way too low power of a soldering iron... the aluminum just soaks up the heat from a 30 or 40 watt iron too fast. 2) Aluminum has an oxide layer that melts at 3 times the temperature of raw aluminum... in the range of 3,600 to 3,700 degree Fahrenheit.... need to remove that with some sanding then immediately solder with a bigger iron. 3) A ball of solder barely stuck to the surface is no better than one that doesn't stick at all.
Thank you for your feedback! We appreciate your insights on the soldering process 👍🔥.
Паяльная кислота покинула чат!
Du machst immer wieder das gleiche Video mit den gleichen Fehlern. Höre doch einfach auf, im Netzt slchen Schrott zu posten. Das hilft nich wirklich jemanden.
WOW, Whomever made this wants folks to fail at soldering, salt and citric acid would eat traces in a pcb
Just a pinch of salt can do wonders! 😉
THANKS!
России в общем-то уже и нет.
Если НЕ врать самим себе.
Четверть страны просто утеряна или уничтожена. Половина населения сбежало с этой раздолбанной помойки навсегда. Экономики больше нет.
В стране нищета, разруха и безработица. Копеечные зарплаты.
И абсолютно никакой надежды на будущее..................................................
...ничего гениального, все пользуются таблеткой-аспирина!!!
Aspirin 👍👍👍
And how does that work on copper claddings ? Bringing the hot tip of a soldering iron in contact with water increases hardness (quenching effect) of the tip and eventually it become brittle and thus loses its life.
That lemon acid will cause corrosion unless you wash it all off.
Make sure to thoroughly wash off the lemon acid to prevent corrosion!🍋👍
Who wants to have acid and salt in their electronics? They don't go away :/
AWESOME!! THANKS!@! BUT REALLY BE EASY ION YOURSELF!!
If you want to buy a new soldering tip every time, you can do it this way yes🤣🤣🤣🤘.
Every soldering professional:
Don't let your soldering tips run too hot for too long and always store them tinned. Never clean them with liquid cleaning agents but only with a sponge or preferably brass wool.
The guy in this video:
Always up there with salt and acid!!! Of course also with a hot tip!!!
Well that was complete crap. I hope no one got paid for that.
Полный идиотизм!
Had this been a proper metallurgical bond, the solder wouldn’t remain in a bead but rather lie flat with the bonded material 😅
or you can clean the soldering head or use a flat one
So I should add salt water to my electronics before I solder them? Seems questionable.
скребёт и боится что бы не отпала пайка !!
Это было действительно умно! 👏🔥
-Вечер в хату!
-Какая статья?
-228...
😂😂😂😂😂
wish i knew that earlier thanks!
Buy a good Flux, and scratch the surface up a little with the tip of an old exact-o knife solder sticks just fine 😊
An aspirin tablet does the same thing, but faster))) Don’t thank me!😂
"Just bring the salt to the soldering iron" What the hell does this even mean?
Just add a pinch of salt to the soldering iron before using it! 😉🔥.
Бл.... я думал он покажет как обгоревшее жало солью залудить 🤨
Das Lötzinn klebt zwar an dem Blech, aber eine ordentliche Lötstelle sieht anders aus. Absolut úngeeignet, dauerhafte Verbindungen zu schaffen. Mit dem Salz und der Zitrone zerstörst du zwar die Oxidschicht, welche die Verbindung verhindert, aber richtigen Halt ergib das nicht. zu erkennen an der Kugelform des Zinns
U really got me, I thought the salt was going to do something
Haha, I'm glad I could surprise you! Just a little salt can make a big difference when soldering 😉.
You just created liquid that ate the surface of your plate in order for the lead to anchor itself. Heat up the plate enough to let the lead do its work.
Geez 3 mins to illustrate 15 seconds worth of Information.
Илон Маск обалдеет если увидит такое изобретение...
он тут же на свой спутник установит такой паяльник с лимонкой и солью
Só uma pergunta, o sal é corrosivo para o metal, certo?
Haha i was thinking that 😂
Im on the fence watching this , it still struggles to solder , also i cannot see it would garuantee a solid join.
Didn't understand a thing... This must be below my intelligence 😅.
Sounds like you just invented . . FLux!
remember if soldering battery connections NEVER contaminate with salt EVER! Unless you want to do a felony! A salt in battery is bery bad felony
I hope you enjoyed the video! Just remember, no salt near the soldering iron 😉🔥.
Он еще про нашатырь не в курсе))))))) и да, жало надо выбрать не для демонтажа а для пайки! Залуженое жало упростит пайку))) соль тут не причем, канифоль в ПРИПОЕ делает свое дело. Лимонная кислота поможет на алюминии.
Это отличный совет! Спасибо за подсказку! 👍🔧
The physics of what needs to happen at the surface in order to have the solder to adhere is missing. This is not genius by any stretch
As we can see, the results were the same before and after. The video author didnt even dare to pick the solder globules as hard as before.The acid solution they made was not sufficient to etch away the oxide layer for the solder to wet the substrate (solder was still a globule. If it worked, the solder would have had a much lpwer contact angle)
Damn this video doesn't have option to report. 😮
Congrats youve created flux😮
Ball busting aside ill be making my own flux now thanks dude
Nice 👍
Just scuff the Aluminium instead of causing a rust problem.
an acid etch to allow for penetration of galvanized steel or is that aluminum, please indicate type of steel?
its galvanised steel obviously....
@@freelectron2029 not obvious and it was a rhetorical question . bad info in the video.
Существует легенда о том, что он уже стёр два пальца.😊
Ахаха😂
Goot solder paste do the same and no corrosion. But alternated ideas have my respect.
Ага, гений, только слабоумный.
I’m confused the point of it and what your doing with it on what your using it on. I’m assuming you are saying that this is some sort kind of homemade flux so why not tested it out on a circuit board or solder 2 wires together & then see how well it works. Or a terminal to a battery or something besides a piece of metal.
This is one of the stupidest things to do with a soldering iron.
What is the material that bead is being placed on ? Aluminum ? Steel ?
Aluminum is the material the bead is being placed on! 😉👍.
Этот Человек - Гений! 😂😂😂😂
like borax, (which is a dry acid, for melting metals).
a genius doesn't solder onto a piece of stainless. what the fuck.
A stainless brush can break through the layer of aluminum oxide, faster, no mess.
Why don't you use a high wattage soldering iron made for the task and not a toy !!!