Did you SOLVE the reference from the intro of this video? I Want to give a huge shoutout to Lenny and gang at Death & Taxes and Cloze from Nihilum for giving us the inside scoop on this tale long consigned to history. Also big love to Hurricane for letting me use his footage and sending me HQ versions for the edit, what a hero. If you enjoyed this video, consider taking a look at our website preachgaming.com. We have some behind the scenes content on there for premium supporters but more importantly videos like this just aren't possible without the support of our amazing community. Even $1 makes all the difference. There's no shortage of crazy stories like this one from back in the day that have been lost to the sands of time, so make sure to tune in next time for when it gets real weird in TBC
@@KevsShwaShwa its a reference to warhammer 40k which Mike was recently getting into during our subathon last month, we happened to have the skeleton lying around from a previous video. The emperor in 40k is basically a skeleton corpse on a throne so it was appropriate
This is the type of content Preach was made for, his natural storytelling prowess shines through and makes for a supremely entertaining video. Thank you Preach for providing my dinner entertainment!
Playing WoW during these first formative years was truly something special. I don't think a game could recreate what we felt during these first couple years.
absolutely true, and I contribute this to the fact taht back then we did not have very good centralized knowledgebase websites (like wowhead is now) and addons were not as sophisticated. There's no chance we will ever get the same feeling playing mmo, as whe n WoW was in its virgin years, in vanilla
You're right. It really had the vibe of an exciting, virtual world, and not "just" a game and a gameworld. Everything you did was something brand new. That still is technically the case for new MMOs as well, but in a way - many have done it before, in World of Warcraft. Playing the game in its early days was (sort of) like playing the old adventure games from Sierra back in the 90's with internet and no walkthrough an alt/tab away. Which I think really helped cement the feeling of discovery and excitement.
I think even if a game ever tried and successfully became like this, the people from our generation wouldn't have that same feeling we had 17 years ago. Being that age and that mindset was so amazing atleast for me.
It's such a small footnote. But the lengths Vodka had to go to in order to kill twin emperors should have given them the hint that it was impossible. Iirc vodka was accused of cheating because they ran 5 tanks 35 healers and killed it over hours. My understanding is the twin emperors are why enrage timers were added to the game. Vodka was an amazing guild and its cool that Landsoul has left a footprint of them behind
Mike, Chris and everyone else involved. This video is is amazing, the format and storytelling was spot on. I'm really looking forward to the next part. Also I'm so glad to see you embrace the grim darkness of the 41st millennium
This reminded me about how I used to see a female tauren warrior named Edna in Might in Org all the time with Quel'sarrar, and how when she got Thunderfury I had to whisper them and congratulate them. Vicarious living indeed, it blew my mind just seeing KTZ's loot pool and talking about ilevels and base DPS of the weapons with my biology classmates. Different times, man
Small world. Edna was my guild leader of Defiance on Skywall. Outside of raids, he would sit in Orgrimmar all day, every day while chattin' it up in vent.
@@elderfro5307 I lost touch with most of them during TBC when I xferred off Skywall. I think I ran across him a couple of times during BFA because of xrealm layering. No clue if he plays anymore
There's such a huge difference between the mysterious legendary guilds in vanilla like Death & Taxes and current top guilds.. no streaming, no interviews, no RUclips channels, no armory.. just a guild name and names of some of the best players.. nobody knew anything about them..
@@jaymzOG something like that yeah. I dont think this was his idea. We can agree to disagree. Well i can at least. I still thought it was a great video, i enjoyed it.
So happy you're doing this. There's so much newer players don't know about the legacy of raiding in WoW and some of these stories are going to absolutely crazy
Total injustice for D&T, have to feel horrible for them. I'd be upset as Nihilum too, honestly; it cheapens what could've been the most legendary achievement in WoW's history. Sort of poetic & appropriate for Blizzard to fumble that moment with a bug.
8:56 I'm proud to say I am part of that 2%. We managed to down 4 bosses in naxx. we got the instructor, Anoob as we called him, Grand Widow Faerlina and Maexxna. I don't remember we killed any other, I dont think we did, but I'm proud of what we achieved, we were a semi-casual guild that tried going a bit hardcore towards the end of vanilla.
Same thing! Was on US-Hyjal during that time and we made it to Patchwerk which was our guild breaker. Guild broke up after many squabbles and fights around Patchwerk. I ended up stopping and returning during TBC and haven't stopped since. Vanilla to the end of TBC was a magical time for me of exploration, the unknown, and just having fun. Wotlk, while I loved it, was the immediate change I saw of something different...META rotations and clear as fast as possible. However, still love the game!
I had no idea when my guild was raiding Naxx in 2006 I was one of very few players who even got an opportunity to kill any bosses in that raid. I was on a weird little RPPVE server called Scarlet Crusade in a guild called Dark Heaven. We certainly didn’t clear the raid, but I have great memories of those days. And it turned out to be a significant achievement for a 40 year old mom who was convinced to try WoW by her son in 2005. Fun times. ❤
This brings back memories, I played an Elemental Shaman (Voltan) in the guild Celebrity (EU-Balnazzar) in TBC, we got a fair few world top 10's. Was a different time back then. Shoutout to any guildies reading this. Also to the late night Nihilum ventrilo chatters
I remember when this happened. Everyone knows D&T were the true world first title holders. Always will be even if the record books have guild name typos.
Interesting to hear the perspective and nuances of WoW's RWF from someone who was involved or there at the time. This will make a classic documentary for RWF games in general. Lot of WoW nuances and jargon but I do appreciate you simplifying it to laymen terms. Excited for the next part.
The amount of Preach I watch nearly daily is wild. Favorite WoW (and other MMO) RUclipsr. Drama time alone has replay ability that is unrivaled. Thanks folks!
Naxx was a glorious time to be a raider back then. We only ever cleared up to Sapphiron, then TBC launched - but you mentioning guilds snatching every tank on the server it was REAL. We went into naxx with about 6 tanks in our guild, 4 really... we ended up at 4HM with about 13 ready to go tanks lmao. We unintentionally destroyed quite a few guilds and even snatched up 2 thunderfuries in the process which was huge because our server only had about 4 of them. My favorite naxx memory though? Our guild leader getting pissed off because the WoW South Park episode came out and over half our raid were just watching that instead and wiping on trash repeatedly lmao
Loving this series. And while I didn't raid back then (and only sporadically throughout my playing and always very casually) I did hear about what it took. This is what people don't understand. The times are different between 2006 (or even 2009) and now. We have SO MANY guides - gear guides, stat guides, class guides, boss fight strats, videos, analysis and SO MANY TOOLS (such as addons) along with YEARS of knowledge - some of which probably have become SUCH common knowledge that we take it for granted.. When people go into Classic and say "THAT'S IT?? THIS is what all the fuss was about? It's not EVEN HARD!!" The collective knowledge has increased SO MUCH, the raids might as well have been done by babies back in 2006, compared to what we have now.
For as long as I've played this game I had no idea there was so much drama around the 1st Kt kill. Literally had zero knowledge of this for nearly 2 decades. Well shit, thanks preach and team.
2006-2010 was just the best time in wow not like now with all the sweaty min maxing and professional guilds who get paid to play full time , with bosses now doing insane mechanics
As someone who never saw the inside of anywhere beyond Onyxia's Lair and Molten Core, I most definitely am not in that 2%. But I remember well the excitement of following things via forums and looking forward to videos being released. This bit of history brought memories flooding back of those days. It's hard to overstate how big an impact WoW had on us gamers back then
I was class officer and raid officer in a Naxxramas raid guild in vanilla, although I personally didn't lead our Naxx raids but ZG, BWL and similar tier stuff. The amount of effort and dedication it took to herd 40 people through all the prerequisite raids and gearing and then herding them through Naxxramas itself burned me out on the game. It was insane how much effort it took to coordinate, as officers we literally raided 5 hours a day 7 days a week and that is pure raid time, not setup, farming mats, potions, buffs, etc. The non-officer guild members could take some days off at least, like when we were gearing new members in BWL or farming TF/Sulf mats in MC, but officers basically always had to be there. It was both a unique experience that I will always treasure, and it was the reason I never wanted to play competitive MMOs ever again after vanilla WoW. We were seen as legendary players by others on the server and the camaraderie between the top guilds was amazing, but the effort was draining, especially since we kept it up all the way through vanilla to get there. Prior to playing my WoW time I also played tournaments and competitive level in the original Counter Strike and while that was intense it was nothing compared to the sheer scale of 40 man raiding at that level. Anyway I burned out, quit for all of Burning Crusade, came back to clear Wrath at a casual level because I loved Ulduar so much and wanted to go through it, after Wrath I never raided again and I left WoW behind. All that said, I was in a "normal" Naxx level raid guild, IE one that could get server firsts, but we were no where near the level of the world first guilds, even we looked in awe at the stuff those guys pulled, we completed our stuff based on their work, without it we would have been nothing as we never built strats from the ground up or explored mechanics in that detail, we just built a well oiled machine for carrying out those strats the absolute madmen at the top of the top guilds created and published.
Wow, I remember hearing about the legendary Death & Taxes progress through Naxx while it was happening and then they just stopped, but had no idea what had happened until now. That's some bull.
They were on my server, Stonemaul. There was a guild better than them, A team but they took over during tbc. Remember seeing them in iron forge decked out in naxx gear.
I remember my mate telling me about the launch of Naxaramus and the attacks on the cities. I started like 3 months before TBC launched so I missed all the fun. (Saw the attacks when Wotlk launched though)
My first time stepping into Nax was probably one of the best and most thrilling moments in my gaming life. Finally, I made it in. I'm pulling me weight - I'm counted on. We cleared a few of the easier bosses but just couldnt down the Horsemen. A few days later we achieved it - the guild chat was exploding with expletives of comraderie. Those reminiscent times we look back on morosely as theyre gone forever and probably will never be replicated.
I don't really comment on RUclips videos, but this one was really freakin good. I enjoyed learning and hearing about it all and I'm glad you and the team are back on these
Nice to see a well made video showing the behind the scenes. I will say though Naxx definitely wasn't the first Race to World First as I and many other gamers were already burned out by Naxx after the way Blizzard had handled previous races(C'Thun hotfix was the ultimate letdown). And not to nitpick too hard but the term World First extends before C'Thun as my original Nefarian Screenshots used the name (and I do remember being aware of our rankings beyond our server for our prog in Molten Core).
"As im sitting here with the Emperor of Man" you almostt made me spit out my drink haha, hyped for the rest of the video! Love seeing a new legacy video!
Being a Classic Andy, thanks for this video. I started playing back in 2006 and continued playing WoW until WoD. But I was just a casual leveler never dipping my toe into endgame until Classic gave me a second chance. This video and others like are a great help in learning the history of the game I've played for almost 2 decades
dude... i have literal chills remembering these days playing. I WAS TERRIBLE. I remember reading about D&T and all of these guilds and wondering what their lives were like.
Loved this series. Cant wait to see more. Think it was amazing you were able to chat with the some of the old D&T members. I remember spamming F5 for any scrap of info you could find about how the guilds were doing.
I'm of the opinion that OG Cthun wasn't able to be killed because of mechanical bugs (tentacles spawning in Cthun stomach, eye beams targeting players in said stomach, tentacles spawning during weakened phase, etc.) and not because the tentacles had too much health or spawned too quickly. It may have required stacking warriors or fire mages, to hit the damage needed, but not impossible.
Old WoW was quite the adventure. It was more than just the game itself though, it was a mix of the game, mid-2000s tech, and mid-2000s internet culture.
I remember back when Ret downed Ouro and got the C'thun kill there were GMs floating around the boss rooms watching the kills happen to make record of it, the GM interaction back in the day was unmatched to how it is now with automated systems and outsourced support who barely interact with players anymore.
I’m a former member of Overrated (infamous cheaters lol) and we lost some of our best members to DNT right as AQ fell. Looking back, what a time. We were definitely talking about “RWF” at the top end, but Preach was extremely correct in saying it was all on the server forums. But for those who were in the know, it was all the talk in Ventrillo. Strategies were harder to come by, but information was most definitely shared. Some of the best memories ever. DNT was such a presence back in the day, as was Vodka and Fury to us NA people. We were good, but they were great.
Preach... This is probably single-handedly the best WOW video describing the first known iteration of the World First race I have ever seen. Thank you sir!
As a warrior in vanilla i was paid 100g per boss just to tank and i wasnt even that geared. this was on top of my repair bill being paid for and funneled gear. I was poached from my guild and regret nothing.
To put things into perspective why classic couldn't replicate the original experience: when I first raided mc in 2005, I had between 0.7 and 2.5 fps. I didn't need a flowchart or enchants, I needed higher single-digit fps. Only when aq40 came out did i buy a new pc and with its 20 fps, I first saw a spell truly "travel" to the target
So much memories coming back whilst running around an as an overpowered tier-1 shaman 8 piece did the work in healing in naxx. Amazing content preach, keep it up - love it!
Players didn't have the knowledge, the resources, or the stable servers. It bears acknowledging that the servers were in REALLY rough shape back in the early days of WoW. Having entire raid days cancelled due to ping about 2000, or due to the world server going down meaning if anyone had to release they couldn't run back.... Anyone who cleared raid bosses back in classic... deserves props for overcoming the servers even more than the bosses themselves.
Thanks for the info into what happened. I remember following it at the time. On my server, Forlorn Legacy was the first guild to down Naxx. I am just pleased I got to raid it back then. We got to 8 bosses down before TBC was released. The equipment and connections we were using at the time really were an extra difficulty setting on their own.
i Feel like Blizzard having the Linear Progression they had in Classic and BC instead of making the content useless, the Game could have been Great to this Day.
I remember when my buddy had this happen to him as a big raid tank and got snagged up. The guild he talked about getting him to change guild had him as a "trial" person and watched them dis enchant gear other new tanks could still use.
I think a big part of the current way things are is that there is fully open PTR testing. Guilds are in there practicing all the bosses so they can just trounce the raid on the first day. We need a time where no one knows the mechanics day on of a raid going live.
as someone who was raiding naxx back then and our guild cleared everything but thad before we started falling apart due to lack of motivation before BC, this story really really hit. I remember those struggles, i remember trying to get inside scoops. our first week in, we spent farming trash for boe's, raz and anub. after that we did faerlina, cleared noth and heigan. then we got maexxna, patch, and grob. it was a super exciting few months. we managed to clear 4 horsemen even, just because we had made friends from quite a few guilds and kept progressing long after many guilds had stopped just because they decided to wait for BC so their tanks joined us. after that, thad just ate us alive, we could never quite get him, lots of 10% wipes, but just could never find the groove
Did you SOLVE the reference from the intro of this video? I Want to give a huge shoutout to Lenny and gang at Death & Taxes and Cloze from Nihilum for giving us the inside scoop on this tale long consigned to history. Also big love to Hurricane for letting me use his footage and sending me HQ versions for the edit, what a hero.
If you enjoyed this video, consider taking a look at our website preachgaming.com. We have some behind the scenes content on there for premium supporters but more importantly videos like this just aren't possible without the support of our amazing community. Even $1 makes all the difference.
There's no shortage of crazy stories like this one from back in the day that have been lost to the sands of time, so make sure to tune in next time for when it gets real weird in TBC
The Emperor is the mt the Emperor protects.
@@R0m0n3what is this from?
Nice Unsolved Mysteries nostalgia. Didn't think you UK guys had that show. Was Robert Stack the host?
@@KevsShwaShwa its a reference to warhammer 40k which Mike was recently getting into during our subathon last month, we happened to have the skeleton lying around from a previous video. The emperor in 40k is basically a skeleton corpse on a throne so it was appropriate
Nah, it's a mystery that remains unsolved to me ;) Great video
This is the type of content Preach was made for, his natural storytelling prowess shines through and makes for a supremely entertaining video.
Thank you Preach for providing my dinner entertainment!
Totally! It's the one type of content I always watch from Mike.
It got my sub
@@Zanaro97after all these years 😂
Playing WoW during these first formative years was truly something special. I don't think a game could recreate what we felt during these first couple years.
absolutely true, and I contribute this to the fact taht back then we did not have very good centralized knowledgebase websites (like wowhead is now) and addons were not as sophisticated. There's no chance we will ever get the same feeling playing mmo, as whe n WoW was in its virgin years, in vanilla
You're right. It really had the vibe of an exciting, virtual world, and not "just" a game and a gameworld. Everything you did was something brand new. That still is technically the case for new MMOs as well, but in a way - many have done it before, in World of Warcraft.
Playing the game in its early days was (sort of) like playing the old adventure games from Sierra back in the 90's with internet and no walkthrough an alt/tab away. Which I think really helped cement the feeling of discovery and excitement.
No game ever will, because you'll never be that age again.
I think even if a game ever tried and successfully became like this, the people from our generation wouldn't have that same feeling we had 17 years ago. Being that age and that mindset was so amazing atleast for me.
It's such a small footnote. But the lengths Vodka had to go to in order to kill twin emperors should have given them the hint that it was impossible. Iirc vodka was accused of cheating because they ran 5 tanks 35 healers and killed it over hours. My understanding is the twin emperors are why enrage timers were added to the game. Vodka was an amazing guild and its cool that Landsoul has left a footprint of them behind
It is still an amazing guild :)
@@Invhytas are they still going? I haven't kept up since they left alterac mountains.
@@Anoradord Yep, killed fyrakk world #21. They're taking it a bit more casually nowadays but they're definitely still gamers.
My vanilla guild killed Twin Emps the regular way, took like 13 mins
do you have a source I could check out for this Vodka 5 tank 35 healer raid composition? I can't find any discussion about it on google
Mike, Chris and everyone else involved.
This video is is amazing, the format and storytelling was spot on. I'm really looking forward to the next part.
Also I'm so glad to see you embrace the grim darkness of the 41st millennium
I miss Andy aka Ghost. The legacy video wrath of the lich king is 1 of the best I think.
Where did he go?
This reminded me about how I used to see a female tauren warrior named Edna in Might in Org all the time with Quel'sarrar, and how when she got Thunderfury I had to whisper them and congratulate them. Vicarious living indeed, it blew my mind just seeing KTZ's loot pool and talking about ilevels and base DPS of the weapons with my biology classmates. Different times, man
Small world. Edna was my guild leader of Defiance on Skywall. Outside of raids, he would sit in Orgrimmar all day, every day while chattin' it up in vent.
Oh shit, Skywall? my friends Jabin, Nekriga, Logal played that server back in the day and I'm pretty sure they were in defiance
I need to know more. Is edna still around? im invested in this story! @DHGroove
@@elderfro5307 I lost touch with most of them during TBC when I xferred off Skywall. I think I ran across him a couple of times during BFA because of xrealm layering. No clue if he plays anymore
@@DHGrooveany updates?
Great to see another Legacy video. Love the Unsolved Mysteries theme haha. Would love to see a Legacy of the Druid next ❤
There's such a huge difference between the mysterious legendary guilds in vanilla like Death & Taxes and current top guilds.. no streaming, no interviews, no RUclips channels, no armory.. just a guild name and names of some of the best players.. nobody knew anything about them..
'The legacy of' videos are why i'm subscribed to preach
I agree. Even if it’s blatantly obvious he didn’t write them and he’s just clocking in.
@@Hanging_Brain??? Do you think he pawned all of the writing off to his team or something? lol
@@Hanging_Brain An absolutely baseless assumption lol
@@Hanging_Brain Dumbest comment ive seen for a while
@@jaymzOG something like that yeah. I dont think this was his idea. We can agree to disagree. Well i can at least.
I still thought it was a great video, i enjoyed it.
We need more of this, guys! What a fun watch.
Hands down one of my favorite videos you’ve ever done! Thank you for this, I truly enjoyed it.
So happy you're doing this. There's so much newer players don't know about the legacy of raiding in WoW and some of these stories are going to absolutely crazy
Well worth the wait. Well done Preach.
Total injustice for D&T, have to feel horrible for them. I'd be upset as Nihilum too, honestly; it cheapens what could've been the most legendary achievement in WoW's history. Sort of poetic & appropriate for Blizzard to fumble that moment with a bug.
thats why i could care less for all these epeens...thats why we made premades in pvp back then and owned nax geared noobs
Insane this came out today, I just randomly decided to listen to the other Legacy of videos at work earlier. Thanks for the new one Mike.
Awesome video. As someone who was around back then caught up in following the race, this brough back so many memories. Can't wait for some TBC stuff!
8:56 I'm proud to say I am part of that 2%. We managed to down 4 bosses in naxx. we got the instructor, Anoob as we called him, Grand Widow Faerlina and Maexxna. I don't remember we killed any other, I dont think we did, but I'm proud of what we achieved, we were a semi-casual guild that tried going a bit hardcore towards the end of vanilla.
Same thing! Was on US-Hyjal during that time and we made it to Patchwerk which was our guild breaker. Guild broke up after many squabbles and fights around Patchwerk. I ended up stopping and returning during TBC and haven't stopped since. Vanilla to the end of TBC was a magical time for me of exploration, the unknown, and just having fun. Wotlk, while I loved it, was the immediate change I saw of something different...META rotations and clear as fast as possible. However, still love the game!
Same, our guild cleared a good chunk of naxxramas. We ended up getting stuck on Thaddius though and gave up before we were able to get to 4 horseman.
This video was freaking amazing!!! I have goosebumps and can't wait for the follow up. Massive shoutout to everyone involved. Soo good!!! 🌟🌟🌟
Love this idea for a series, Preach! Had no idea about this. Can't believe what happened.
sitting down watching a preach legacy video on a saturday morning is something I haven't done in a while, I missed these
Big thank you to the team for the video.
These are always a treat to watch and are truly timeless.
Cheers.
I had no idea when my guild was raiding Naxx in 2006 I was one of very few players who even got an opportunity to kill any bosses in that raid. I was on a weird little RPPVE server called Scarlet Crusade in a guild called Dark Heaven. We certainly didn’t clear the raid, but I have great memories of those days. And it turned out to be a significant achievement for a 40 year old mom who was convinced to try WoW by her son in 2005. Fun times. ❤
This brings back memories, I played an Elemental Shaman (Voltan) in the guild Celebrity (EU-Balnazzar) in TBC, we got a fair few world top 10's. Was a different time back then. Shoutout to any guildies reading this. Also to the late night Nihilum ventrilo chatters
I remember when this happened. Everyone knows D&T were the true world first title holders. Always will be even if the record books have guild name typos.
Interesting to hear the perspective and nuances of WoW's RWF from someone who was involved or there at the time. This will make a classic documentary for RWF games in general. Lot of WoW nuances and jargon but I do appreciate you simplifying it to laymen terms. Excited for the next part.
The amount of Preach I watch nearly daily is wild. Favorite WoW (and other MMO) RUclipsr.
Drama time alone has replay ability that is unrivaled. Thanks folks!
Preach, i always loved these wow history video. Looking forward to hopefully more!
This should be aired on the History channel
Naxx was a glorious time to be a raider back then. We only ever cleared up to Sapphiron, then TBC launched - but you mentioning guilds snatching every tank on the server it was REAL. We went into naxx with about 6 tanks in our guild, 4 really... we ended up at 4HM with about 13 ready to go tanks lmao. We unintentionally destroyed quite a few guilds and even snatched up 2 thunderfuries in the process which was huge because our server only had about 4 of them.
My favorite naxx memory though? Our guild leader getting pissed off because the WoW South Park episode came out and over half our raid were just watching that instead and wiping on trash repeatedly lmao
Great video Mike and Team! really enjoyed it, thank you!
That was awesome, love those type of videos and very well presented. Can't wait for the next one!
Loving this series. And while I didn't raid back then (and only sporadically throughout my playing and always very casually) I did hear about what it took. This is what people don't understand. The times are different between 2006 (or even 2009) and now. We have SO MANY guides - gear guides, stat guides, class guides, boss fight strats, videos, analysis and SO MANY TOOLS (such as addons) along with YEARS of knowledge - some of which probably have become SUCH common knowledge that we take it for granted.. When people go into Classic and say "THAT'S IT?? THIS is what all the fuss was about? It's not EVEN HARD!!" The collective knowledge has increased SO MUCH, the raids might as well have been done by babies back in 2006, compared to what we have now.
This is amazing. Please more. Much more
For as long as I've played this game I had no idea there was so much drama around the 1st Kt kill. Literally had zero knowledge of this for nearly 2 decades. Well shit, thanks preach and team.
2006-2010 was just the best time in wow not like now with all the sweaty min maxing and professional guilds who get paid to play full time , with bosses now doing insane mechanics
Was in at the time! My wife and I were both in the world first Twin Emps kill! Remember those days well!
Was in on Cho’gall and remember copying your strat for our server first
As someone who never saw the inside of anywhere beyond Onyxia's Lair and Molten Core, I most definitely am not in that 2%. But I remember well the excitement of following things via forums and looking forward to videos being released. This bit of history brought memories flooding back of those days. It's hard to overstate how big an impact WoW had on us gamers back then
I was class officer and raid officer in a Naxxramas raid guild in vanilla, although I personally didn't lead our Naxx raids but ZG, BWL and similar tier stuff. The amount of effort and dedication it took to herd 40 people through all the prerequisite raids and gearing and then herding them through Naxxramas itself burned me out on the game. It was insane how much effort it took to coordinate, as officers we literally raided 5 hours a day 7 days a week and that is pure raid time, not setup, farming mats, potions, buffs, etc. The non-officer guild members could take some days off at least, like when we were gearing new members in BWL or farming TF/Sulf mats in MC, but officers basically always had to be there.
It was both a unique experience that I will always treasure, and it was the reason I never wanted to play competitive MMOs ever again after vanilla WoW. We were seen as legendary players by others on the server and the camaraderie between the top guilds was amazing, but the effort was draining, especially since we kept it up all the way through vanilla to get there. Prior to playing my WoW time I also played tournaments and competitive level in the original Counter Strike and while that was intense it was nothing compared to the sheer scale of 40 man raiding at that level.
Anyway I burned out, quit for all of Burning Crusade, came back to clear Wrath at a casual level because I loved Ulduar so much and wanted to go through it, after Wrath I never raided again and I left WoW behind.
All that said, I was in a "normal" Naxx level raid guild, IE one that could get server firsts, but we were no where near the level of the world first guilds, even we looked in awe at the stuff those guys pulled, we completed our stuff based on their work, without it we would have been nothing as we never built strats from the ground up or explored mechanics in that detail, we just built a well oiled machine for carrying out those strats the absolute madmen at the top of the top guilds created and published.
Wow, I remember hearing about the legendary Death & Taxes progress through Naxx while it was happening and then they just stopped, but had no idea what had happened until now. That's some bull.
They were on my server, Stonemaul. There was a guild better than them, A team but they took over during tbc. Remember seeing them in iron forge decked out in naxx gear.
How were they better if they weren't making near the progress D and T were and no one knew about them?
How were they better if they weren't making near the progress D and T were and no one knew about them?
How were they better if they weren't making near the progress D and T were and no one knew about them?
How were they better if they weren't making near the progress D and T were and no one knew about them?
1:03 and I knew this episode was going to be a banger. Why is the Emperor is a tank? The Emperor protects.
bro this is so badass to be able to see preach continue to make some of the best WoW content and this time he has hair!
That was amazing to watch I’m looking forward to more behind the scenes stuff for raids in bc :)
I remember my mate telling me about the launch of Naxaramus and the attacks on the cities. I started like 3 months before TBC launched so I missed all the fun. (Saw the attacks when Wotlk launched though)
My first time stepping into Nax was probably one of the best and most thrilling moments in my gaming life. Finally, I made it in. I'm pulling me weight - I'm counted on. We cleared a few of the easier bosses but just couldnt down the Horsemen. A few days later we achieved it - the guild chat was exploding with expletives of comraderie. Those reminiscent times we look back on morosely as theyre gone forever and probably will never be replicated.
I don't really comment on RUclips videos, but this one was really freakin good. I enjoyed learning and hearing about it all and I'm glad you and the team are back on these
Can't wait for this series to take off. This is good stuff preacho
Nice to see a well made video showing the behind the scenes. I will say though Naxx definitely wasn't the first Race to World First as I and many other gamers were already burned out by Naxx after the way Blizzard had handled previous races(C'Thun hotfix was the ultimate letdown). And not to nitpick too hard but the term World First extends before C'Thun as my original Nefarian Screenshots used the name (and I do remember being aware of our rankings beyond our server for our prog in Molten Core).
"As im sitting here with the Emperor of Man"
you almostt made me spit out my drink haha, hyped for the rest of the video! Love seeing a new legacy video!
Being a Classic Andy, thanks for this video. I started playing back in 2006 and continued playing WoW until WoD. But I was just a casual leveler never dipping my toe into endgame until Classic gave me a second chance. This video and others like are a great help in learning the history of the game I've played for almost 2 decades
Great video! cant wait for more documentary style videos from the Team.
Today its kinda crazy to think that all the top guilds back then was Horde
I love this. Nice, more of this type of retro-y stuff pleeeeaaase!
This feels like i am listening to vintage radio broadcast of a world series game from the 1930's. I love it!
I do love your longer videos like this :)
I remember watching that D & T Sapphiron video and to this day, "Cold as Ice" still plays in my head whenever I go visit that boss.
i've been waiting for videos like this for a long time, ty preach
Great video and even better Unsolved Mysteries beging clip! Loved it all!
I remember this whole thing. DnT should’ve gotten the World First. I felt so bad for them when the story came out.
AH "Chef Kiss", what an Video. It it is really nice to see the Legacy series returning. Really nice work of the whole team preach!
We & Eu have always had an handicap since we’re atleast 8 hours behind always
"Mountains of nerdsweat never before seen in this game" 🤣🤣🤣. Your narration is simply the best😊
dude... i have literal chills remembering these days playing. I WAS TERRIBLE. I remember reading about D&T and all of these guilds and wondering what their lives were like.
We were all terrible lol.
Loved this series. Cant wait to see more. Think it was amazing you were able to chat with the some of the old D&T members. I remember spamming F5 for any scrap of info you could find about how the guilds were doing.
Great video Preach & team! Fantastic production! Keep them coming
This was so well done and nostalgic! Thanks Preach, wonderful video!
I'm of the opinion that OG Cthun wasn't able to be killed because of mechanical bugs (tentacles spawning in Cthun stomach, eye beams targeting players in said stomach, tentacles spawning during weakened phase, etc.) and not because the tentacles had too much health or spawned too quickly. It may have required stacking warriors or fire mages, to hit the damage needed, but not impossible.
This was such a good video, so well done! I cannot wait for the next video!
Old WoW was quite the adventure. It was more than just the game itself though, it was a mix of the game, mid-2000s tech, and mid-2000s internet culture.
Dude whej the music intro kicked in i understood everything and it was genius so good mike lmfao. Trench coat killed me
I remember back when Ret downed Ouro and got the C'thun kill there were GMs floating around the boss rooms watching the kills happen to make record of it, the GM interaction back in the day was unmatched to how it is now with automated systems and outsourced support who barely interact with players anymore.
I’m a former member of Overrated (infamous cheaters lol) and we lost some of our best members to DNT right as AQ fell. Looking back, what a time. We were definitely talking about “RWF” at the top end, but Preach was extremely correct in saying it was all on the server forums. But for those who were in the know, it was all the talk in Ventrillo. Strategies were harder to come by, but information was most definitely shared. Some of the best memories ever. DNT was such a presence back in the day, as was Vodka and Fury to us NA people. We were good, but they were great.
I remember being on Korgath during all of this. Some of the most memorable times playing WoW by far.
I haven't clicked a video this fast in months, always a pleasure to see your WoW history videos.
As a mage seeing my first full T1 mage was amazing. Staff of Dominance and trinkets to top it off.
Preach... This is probably single-handedly the best WOW video describing the first known iteration of the World First race I have ever seen. Thank you sir!
As a warrior in vanilla i was paid 100g per boss just to tank and i wasnt even that geared. this was on top of my repair bill being paid for and funneled gear. I was poached from my guild and regret nothing.
To put things into perspective why classic couldn't replicate the original experience: when I first raided mc in 2005, I had between 0.7 and 2.5 fps.
I didn't need a flowchart or enchants, I needed higher single-digit fps.
Only when aq40 came out did i buy a new pc and with its 20 fps, I first saw a spell truly "travel" to the target
So much memories coming back whilst running around an as an overpowered tier-1 shaman 8 piece did the work in healing in naxx. Amazing content preach, keep it up - love it!
Really well done. This was great!
Such an awesome video once again. The Preach vanilla stuff just hits different. Amazing content!
Players didn't have the knowledge, the resources, or the stable servers. It bears acknowledging that the servers were in REALLY rough shape back in the early days of WoW. Having entire raid days cancelled due to ping about 2000, or due to the world server going down meaning if anyone had to release they couldn't run back....
Anyone who cleared raid bosses back in classic... deserves props for overcoming the servers even more than the bosses themselves.
Unsolved Mysteries in 2024? I can still here the intro music in my head
This... THIS is the type of Preach-content I absolutely love. Well done Mike. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
What an enjoyable series! Welcome back to the feed fella
Well put together! Gaming was such a different time back then, i do miss those days.
This video was amazing thanks preach felt unwell and down and this perked me up a bit.
It was truely an epic time in World of Warcraft. I was there and managed to kill Kel'thuzad with my guild , an adventure beyond any other.
I would have liked to hear the interviews. Also, whatever you used to make the old videos look better is amazing.
im really impressed how much info Prech dug up from almost 20 years ago
I remember the world first kill in BWL... it felt pretty cool being only ~two days behind them.
Absolutely love this retroactive videos on the games raiding history, so well done! 🔥
Thanks for the info into what happened. I remember following it at the time. On my server, Forlorn Legacy was the first guild to down Naxx. I am just pleased I got to raid it back then. We got to 8 bosses down before TBC was released. The equipment and connections we were using at the time really were an extra difficulty setting on their own.
i Feel like Blizzard having the Linear Progression they had in Classic and BC instead of making the content useless, the Game could have been Great to this Day.
Wow! I've been waiting for videos like this for ages!!!
Bro, I still say "Kite it to Vael's room" to this day, but I've legitimately never had anyone get the reference.
I remember when my buddy had this happen to him as a big raid tank and got snagged up. The guild he talked about getting him to change guild had him as a "trial" person and watched them dis enchant gear other new tanks could still use.
I think a big part of the current way things are is that there is fully open PTR testing. Guilds are in there practicing all the bosses so they can just trounce the raid on the first day. We need a time where no one knows the mechanics day on of a raid going live.
as someone who was raiding naxx back then and our guild cleared everything but thad before we started falling apart due to lack of motivation before BC, this story really really hit. I remember those struggles, i remember trying to get inside scoops. our first week in, we spent farming trash for boe's, raz and anub. after that we did faerlina, cleared noth and heigan. then we got maexxna, patch, and grob. it was a super exciting few months. we managed to clear 4 horsemen even, just because we had made friends from quite a few guilds and kept progressing long after many guilds had stopped just because they decided to wait for BC so their tanks joined us. after that, thad just ate us alive, we could never quite get him, lots of 10% wipes, but just could never find the groove
Holy shit!!!! Im so happy the legacy videos are back!!!!
The comparison between the Nax images and the DF images is like observing death and danger in contrast to the Barbie world.
Nice to hear Afterlife. Ran with them in EQ for a while, including the first break into Fear Plane.