i understand the reasons for getting rid of mont albert and surrey hill stations, as well as the union road level crossing, but i do have some nostalgia for the old surrey hills station. During my school days, sometimes after school my dad and i would go down to watch the trains go by at the old union rd level crossing, and we even made up our own game of betting what type of train would come, where it would be going to and what type of service it would be.
Quite a few of these places with level crossings somehow just blended in with the local community. A great trench or massively over engineered rail bridge in my opinion totally destroyed atmosphere of the suburb.
Both Union Rd and Mont Albert Rd level crossings have been abolished with this project. An horrendous double fatal at Union Rd got this project to be a priority.
Awesome video mate sorry I forgot to tell you that do you have any videos of Keon park level crossing removal because from next week Keon Parade will be closed at the level crossing from midnight Monday 29 April to Monday 20 May, and buses will replace trains on Mernda line on Tuesday 30 April to last service Tuesday 7 May to remove the level crossings in Keon Park and fix the road underneath the rail bridges and trains will run both rail bridge if you got it😊
No. Unless a project is under way during my annual trip south, or is a noteworthy station like Glen Huntly, I don’t visit it. Croydon and Mooroolbark will be also covered later, plus GH.
@@hassansayyab1194 No I can’t as I live on the Gold Coast. I think you are old enough to start taking photos, whether you publish them yourself or send to others to publish for you.
@@tressteleg1 Ok I will do that and I’m going find a good view and I’ll take a great photos of Keon park level crossing removal project and probably a video too like I did for Reservoir station level crossing removal project I think I can do it thank you 😊
I wish you good luck with that. The main thing to remember when taking a video is to move the camera around slowly. Don’t spin it around like a torch in the dark.
Not patronage driven, but a cheaper design of grade separation of two three track level crossings with long periods of express running. A recent double fatality on one of the level crossings added to the urgency. The Two previous stations being well under a kilometre apart, even closer when measured platform end to platform end , further added to the case of replacing the two stations with one approximately in the middle without too much extra walking distance involved. Having one less stop on the line means some time saving for trains and by far the bulk of passengers on the trains. Effectively many previous non express trains run express for one extra station. That is a summary of the positives. The older stations were nicer looking and more traditional than the new concrete dominated one in a trench below the surrounding ground level. The previous stations were a bit below and a bit above average station patronage from memory. Dozens of station with less patronage.
Search RUclips for : fatality surrey hills level crossing For some coverage of the extra impetus for the change and the upheaval the change caused. Hard to argue against something that would prevent such fatalities in future.
@@johnd8892 thanks for clarification I live interstate, and the last time I travelled on that line was to head out to Belgrave, to ride Puffing Billy, and relive my childhood 😄
I expect it is all about having to build one new station, not 2, thus saving money. Shopkeepers were not happy about losing a nearby station. As you say, too bad for the infirm.
In my mind Chatham Station should have been done way with as well, it has no access to Canterbury Rd except for a small alley way, the other side is part of an Army Reserve unit, that part of Canterbury Rd is semi industrial and its usage is smaller than either Surrey Hills or Mont Albert.
I used all the stations regularly. There is a lane way that connects from the Balwyn area directly to Chatham. It was the only station suitable for walking to. But the "services" were not good in my time. Often trains failed to stop and I was taken all the way to Camberwell then had to catch a different train back again. If I had to use Surrey hills it was another km each way added to the walk. If it is too hard to USE public transport then it can't be used. Unless you also make the alternative impossible too.
@@smitajky I’m not familiar enough with the area to comment in detail, but there certainly are laneways in the vicinity. After the video taking last year, I walked a little east of Mont Albert and found the series of laneways and roads which got me to the Box Hill tram, not far away.
Putting things below ground is a big cost but it doesn't address the actual problems. The narrow road (Union road) hamstrung by a shopping centre and parking still is a bottleneck. And the stupid arrangement of Warragul road and Cantebury road causes major traffic problems. They cannot fix congestion by tackling the LEAST significant contributor to it. Get a way for Union road to connect with Warragul road going over or under Cantebury road to avoid the bottleneck. Ban all parking in strip shopping centres in congested areas. That would fix the problem for at least 50 years. Possibly more.
Not living in Melbourne I’m barely qualified to comment, but unfortunately every improvement to traffic flow only encourages more people to drive and before you know what next, the delays are just as bad as ever but with more cars, and if those new car drivers were public transport users, it’s a lose lose situation.
money. the public loves these crossings disappearing. the train drivers too. victoria has cranked up an enormous public debt. tressteleg will know the numbers better than me but sydney has less than 30 level crossings, melbourne has more than 200. something needed to be done.
As far as I have heard, two factors make trenches difficult. Particularly Bayside, digging down can reach the water table which makes things difficult, but from what I have heard a wider rail corridor is needed to construct a trench. Personally I see the elevated bridges has been quite I an eyesore.
90% of the benefit of crossing removals is for motorists. They don’t particularly speed up the trains. As for Sydney, the suburban area has never had more than about half a dozen crossings in my lifetime. The Richmond line after electrification added a few more, but crossings which disappeared included The Royal National Park where the tram Museum crosses now, and of course where the Carlingford line crossed I think Parramatta Road is another. There had been one at Oatley but that went a long time ago. Maybe one or two others have also disappeared for one reason or another.
@@tressteleg1 , judging by what has been stated in youtube comments, some train drivers never have an incident in a long career. my dad, however, had a lot, including multiple deaths, at rail crossings in melbourne. crossing removals wont minimise suicides. he had a lot of them too especially around fairfield. he was even forced to pick up body parts by smart arsed coppers who accused him of not driving the train in a safe matter. he walked home directly from the site after he recognised who he was picking up the pieces of. it was one of our neighbours. i remember this incident well. i could hear the yelling from our house. too much information? these are reasons why crossing removals are a great idea. shame about the massive state debt, though. only 30 years since the last massive state debt. they will have to raise state fuel taxes. or casino taxes. yeah, tax the casino out of profitability. i have reason to believe that a strong excuse for removing the port and st kilda lines was because the vampires planning the casino requested first the liberals then the labor party to do it to make the chosen site more suitable.
@vsvnrg3263 So true. And I feel sorry for what your father went through. If you saw the video on Harris Trains with Lindsay Adams driving, he never hit anybody whereas his brother had something like 7 fatalities although I think some of them may have been on journeys beyond the suburban area. Fortunately I never killed anybody with a tram although a passenger after getting off and probably skylarking one night had a serious leg gash as I moved off. Some of my workmates did have fatalities, and one I remember never drove again, opting to be a conductor instead.
@@tressteleg1 Better scenery, more greenery and less flat than the outer southeast. Also, a lot less litter on the Belgrave/Lilydale line than on the Pakenham line. Pakenham line trains are filthy now
@@pete89111 Yes I know what you mean with the landscape in much of Melbourne. Eastern bayside is not bad either. Anyway, work hard, save hard and you may be able to move east one day.
Personally I think a major reason for combining the two stations was because they could say they were too close together but more importantly save the cost of building a second station. Too bad Union is essentially in the middle of nowhere.
Dumb name for a station when people from overseas or interstate want to go to either Surrey Hills or Mont Albert they won't have a clue where to go without searching on the internet or asking someone. How hard would it have been to call it Surrey Hills/Mont Albert? That name isn't that long.
Importance of place names seems unimportant in Melbourne. Go to Southern Cross to catch a train to Ballarat, Bendigo or Geelong and you won’t find any of those places listed. For Ballarat train goes to Wendouree, I forget what Bendigo is but Geelong is Waurn Ponds.
@tressteleg1 the Bendigo line typically terminates at Bendigo. If I want the train timetable, I typically put the address in google maps, and it comes up with directions. There's really no need for me to search for a train station for a particular suburb. Even before Google maps, I would look in the melways to see the nearest pt services.
@@angelicasmodel I’m talking about the video displays at Southern Cross. 4 trains each weekday go beyond Bendigo to Epsom or Eaglehawk, and that is what the screen will show with no mention of Bendigo. OK for locals, useless for visitors.
i understand the reasons for getting rid of mont albert and surrey hill stations, as well as the union road level crossing, but i do have some nostalgia for the old surrey hills station. During my school days, sometimes after school my dad and i would go down to watch the trains go by at the old union rd level crossing, and we even made up our own game of betting what type of train would come, where it would be going to and what type of service it would be.
Quite a few of these places with level crossings somehow just blended in with the local community. A great trench or massively over engineered rail bridge in my opinion totally destroyed atmosphere of the suburb.
Both Union Rd and Mont Albert Rd level crossings have been abolished with this project.
An horrendous double fatal at Union Rd got this project to be a priority.
@johnd8892 I read about that 2016 crash. I just have to wonder why the car was on the crossing when the train came.
Awesome video. Thanks tressteleg1💚👌
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Awesome video!😁
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Brill' video.
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Ill miss having my Durreys at Durrey Station 🚉
Monty Albert
Well it looks like you will just have to stretch your legs for about five minutes to reach your favourite watering hole 😆
@@tressteleg1 😁😁😁😁😁
Recent station closures in Melbourne
I'm guessing this is Australia considering you have vids from there
if so, which city, locality in it from?
Yes, Melbourne. Title amended.
Awesome video mate sorry I forgot to tell you that do you have any videos of Keon park level crossing removal because from next week Keon Parade will be closed at the level crossing from midnight Monday 29 April to Monday 20 May, and buses will replace trains on Mernda line on Tuesday 30 April to last service Tuesday 7 May to remove the level crossings in Keon Park and fix the road underneath the rail bridges and trains will run both rail bridge if you got it😊
No. Unless a project is under way during my annual trip south, or is a noteworthy station like Glen Huntly, I don’t visit it.
Croydon and Mooroolbark will be also covered later, plus GH.
@@tressteleg1 well the Keon park level crossing removal is underway and the new station is open by late June can you please film it.
@@hassansayyab1194 No I can’t as I live on the Gold Coast. I think you are old enough to start taking photos, whether you publish them yourself or send to others to publish for you.
@@tressteleg1 Ok I will do that and I’m going find a good view and I’ll take a great photos of Keon park level crossing removal project and probably a video too like I did for Reservoir station level crossing removal project I think I can do it thank you 😊
I wish you good luck with that. The main thing to remember when taking a video is to move the camera around slowly. Don’t spin it around like a torch in the dark.
Is it just me or do xtraps on these lines & Frankston- Werribee
/ Williamstown sound different(louder but nicer) to Clifton hill lines?
As far as I know they are all the same and liable to run on any lines except the Dandenong corridor.
I guess...if patronage is down, it's something that has to be done.
I do worry about the elderly and those who can't drive to the other stations
Not patronage driven, but a cheaper design of grade separation of two three track level crossings with long periods of express running. A recent double fatality on one of the level crossings added to the urgency.
The Two previous stations being well under a kilometre apart, even closer when measured platform end to platform end , further added to the case of replacing the two stations with one approximately in the middle without too much extra walking distance involved.
Having one less stop on the line means some time saving for trains and by far the bulk of passengers on the trains. Effectively many previous non express trains run express for one extra station.
That is a summary of the positives.
The older stations were nicer looking and more traditional than the new concrete dominated one in a trench below the surrounding ground level.
The previous stations were a bit below and a bit above average station patronage from memory. Dozens of station with less patronage.
Search RUclips for :
fatality surrey hills level crossing
For some coverage of the extra impetus for the change and the upheaval the change caused.
Hard to argue against something that would prevent such fatalities in future.
@@johnd8892 thanks for clarification
I live interstate, and the last time I travelled on that line was to head out to Belgrave, to ride Puffing Billy, and relive my childhood 😄
I expect it is all about having to build one new station, not 2, thus saving money. Shopkeepers were not happy about losing a nearby station. As you say, too bad for the infirm.
@johnd8892 👍😊
In my mind Chatham Station should have been done way with as well, it has no access to Canterbury Rd except for a small alley way, the other side is part of an Army Reserve unit, that part of Canterbury Rd is semi industrial and its usage is smaller than either Surrey Hills or Mont Albert.
Not being a local, I can’t say either way but some decisions are made, or not made, by governments which fear a loss of votes.
I used all the stations regularly. There is a lane way that connects from the Balwyn area directly to Chatham. It was the only station suitable for walking to. But the "services" were not good in my time. Often trains failed to stop and I was taken all the way to Camberwell then had to catch a different train back again. If I had to use Surrey hills it was another km each way added to the walk. If it is too hard to USE public transport then it can't be used. Unless you also make the alternative impossible too.
@@smitajky I’m not familiar enough with the area to comment in detail, but there certainly are laneways in the vicinity. After the video taking last year, I walked a little east of Mont Albert and found the series of laneways and roads which got me to the Box Hill tram, not far away.
Putting things below ground is a big cost but it doesn't address the actual problems. The narrow road (Union road) hamstrung by a shopping centre and parking still is a bottleneck. And the stupid arrangement of Warragul road and Cantebury road causes major traffic problems. They cannot fix congestion by tackling the LEAST significant contributor to it. Get a way for Union road to connect with Warragul road going over or under Cantebury road to avoid the bottleneck. Ban all parking in strip shopping centres in congested areas. That would fix the problem for at least 50 years. Possibly more.
Not living in Melbourne I’m barely qualified to comment, but unfortunately every improvement to traffic flow only encourages more people to drive and before you know what next, the delays are just as bad as ever but with more cars, and if those new car drivers were public transport users, it’s a lose lose situation.
Well that went by pretty fast and effective
Not from Melbourne. Whats stopping them from using similar method for other level crossing removal?
money. the public loves these crossings disappearing. the train drivers too. victoria has cranked up an enormous public debt. tressteleg will know the numbers better than me but sydney has less than 30 level crossings, melbourne has more than 200. something needed to be done.
As far as I have heard, two factors make trenches difficult. Particularly Bayside, digging down can reach the water table which makes things difficult, but from what I have heard a wider rail corridor is needed to construct a trench. Personally I see the elevated bridges has been quite I an eyesore.
90% of the benefit of crossing removals is for motorists. They don’t particularly speed up the trains. As for Sydney, the suburban area has never had more than about half a dozen crossings in my lifetime. The Richmond line after electrification added a few more, but crossings which disappeared included The Royal National Park where the tram Museum crosses now, and of course where the Carlingford line crossed I think Parramatta Road is another. There had been one at Oatley but that went a long time ago. Maybe one or two others have also disappeared for one reason or another.
@@tressteleg1 , judging by what has been stated in youtube comments, some train drivers never have an incident in a long career. my dad, however, had a lot, including multiple deaths, at rail crossings in melbourne. crossing removals wont minimise suicides. he had a lot of them too especially around fairfield. he was even forced to pick up body parts by smart arsed coppers who accused him of not driving the train in a safe matter. he walked home directly from the site after he recognised who he was picking up the pieces of. it was one of our neighbours. i remember this incident well. i could hear the yelling from our house. too much information? these are reasons why crossing removals are a great idea. shame about the massive state debt, though. only 30 years since the last massive state debt. they will have to raise state fuel taxes. or casino taxes. yeah, tax the casino out of profitability. i have reason to believe that a strong excuse for removing the port and st kilda lines was because the vampires planning the casino requested first the liberals then the labor party to do it to make the chosen site more suitable.
@vsvnrg3263 So true. And I feel sorry for what your father went through. If you saw the video on Harris Trains with Lindsay Adams driving, he never hit anybody whereas his brother had something like 7 fatalities although I think some of them may have been on journeys beyond the suburban area. Fortunately I never killed anybody with a tram although a passenger after getting off and probably skylarking one night had a serious leg gash as I moved off. Some of my workmates did have fatalities, and one I remember never drove again, opting to be a conductor instead.
are you planning on getting a pfp
No. I don’t go for that social media stuff. I don’t use Facebook, X tic tok or any others . I leave them for kids to play with.
@@tressteleg1 ok that makes sense
@@Joshynotwoshy 😊😊
Wish I lived on the east side tbh
Any reason? I expect housing is dearer there.
@@tressteleg1 Better scenery, more greenery and less flat than the outer southeast. Also, a lot less litter on the Belgrave/Lilydale line than on the Pakenham line. Pakenham line trains are filthy now
@@pete89111 Yes I know what you mean with the landscape in much of Melbourne. Eastern bayside is not bad either. Anyway, work hard, save hard and you may be able to move east one day.
Surrey Hills & Mont Albert.
Sooo easy Minister.
Too many 'change of life' women in politics.
Personally I think a major reason for combining the two stations was because they could say they were too close together but more importantly save the cost of building a second station. Too bad Union is essentially in the middle of nowhere.
Mont Surrey Hills??
🚆🚆🚆🚆 WHY ARE THEY CALLING IT UNION?
I have no idea especially since Union Rd is right at Surrey Hills!
Dumb name for a station when people from overseas or interstate want to go to either Surrey Hills or Mont Albert they won't have a clue where to go without searching on the internet or asking someone. How hard would it have been to call it Surrey Hills/Mont Albert? That name isn't that long.
Importance of place names seems unimportant in Melbourne. Go to Southern Cross to catch a train to Ballarat, Bendigo or Geelong and you won’t find any of those places listed. For Ballarat train goes to Wendouree, I forget what Bendigo is but Geelong is Waurn Ponds.
@tressteleg1 the Bendigo line typically terminates at Bendigo.
If I want the train timetable, I typically put the address in google maps, and it comes up with directions. There's really no need for me to search for a train station for a particular suburb. Even before Google maps, I would look in the melways to see the nearest pt services.
@@angelicasmodel I’m talking about the video displays at Southern Cross. 4 trains each weekday go beyond Bendigo to Epsom or Eaglehawk, and that is what the screen will show with no mention of Bendigo. OK for locals, useless for visitors.
The PID's would probably have trouble announcing that, and given it's X'Trap's which have the dotmatrix deplay it would probably look weird.
@@aidanthomas2510 It would have to scroll but the point is that Union was chosen, and that is what it will remain.