I play cobra forge tec one lengths and love them. Shorter irons I just grip down when I need to be delicate. I think its just "golf snobbery" that stops people trying them.
I play nothing but one length Cobra clubs. I love them. Cobra has done the time and research to make it work. They are best for two categories of people. First new golfer second my group with a lot of back injuries. Only one ball position. Every RUclipsr who I've ever seen review those clubs they don't use them as one length they choke down on mid to short irons. You have to use full shaft because Cobra has put a lot of money developing the heads to work. Oh they do work.
I recently bought a set of one length irons and they have been awesome for me. My consistancy of contact has improved and my gapping is more consistant. I love them so far after about 6 months. I will keep playing them for sure.
I do play OneLength 5-PW and helped me build confidence and as a consequence gained conistency. As Wedges I do have a 54, 56 und Lob in the Bag. No need to change anything - so I am a happy Golfer 😊
I’m 6’ 8” tall and all my irons have had 2” longer shafts. As I’ve gotten older, i’m 77, I couldn’t reach the ground with the higher lofted clubs so hit a lot of tops. I had everything from 7 iron to my 58* wedge reshafted to the length of the 6 iron 4 years ago. I was surprised that the gapping was 10 yards between each. So - perfect!
Lester, I'm a one length player, cobra forged tec 5-pw and it's the biggest mistake I've made in golf. I had to go back to traditional wedges, and once I get above 6 iron the gapping is terrible. I strike the ball well but gapping between 5 and 6 iron is only 3-4 yards. That's probably because I just don't swing fast enough to get the ball in the air enough with the lower lofted clubs. I'm about to go back to variable length irons throughout the bag. The fact it's only Bryson that uses them tells it's own story and the handful of people that I know that had one lengths have changed back to variable length. I'll be booking myself a full set fitting at Scottsdale golf, fit, build, play service in the next few weeks.
@@berniebarnesgolf yep several bus tours. Booking in for a fitting at Scottsdale golf soon. Fitted and clubs built on the same day. Going for a PW through to driver fitting. If you fancy content from a dodgy mid handicapper getting fitted and can do a trip to Manchester let me know
I’ve had the complete opposite experience, but I do have a faster swing speed. One Length completely changed my game for the better. The standard lofts on the Cobra Forged Tec One Lengths were almost perfect off the shelf. I have about 12-14yd gapping from OL wedges to OL 3-hybrid. Had to de-loft the 4 iron down to 20 degrees to get a little more separation from the 5 iron, but other than that, best clubs I’ve ever played. Took me from a low-mid 80s to an average mid to high 70s, w an occasional low 80 in there. The consistency is on another level.
I game Sterling one length irons, 5 - GW. I have found: - My good shots aren't any better than those I used to hit with variable length irons. My longer irons are a bit shorter, but not significantly so. - My gapping isn't all that different than I had with variable length irons. I struggled with the gap between my longer irons and i still do. I am going to test one length hybrids this spring and see what they do for me. - While I use the same setup and swing for all my stock shots, I still choke down on them when appropriate. It does help change the flight and distance. - I tend to score better because I don't hit as many awful shots. I dont make more birdies with my one length clubs, but I do make fewer high numbers. Are they for everyone? For sure no. Highly skilled golfers may see less benefit. And there can be a mental hurdle. They might help you if you have limited time to practice - not only does having one stock iron swing simply things, but you are practicing hitting all your irons with each swing. And you may hit fewer bad shots per round like I do. But you have to understand what these clubs will and won't do, and you have to test them before you buy.
When Bryson/Cobra first burst onto the scene with “one length” I went through a full fitting experience. 5-8 iron were fantastic. 9 PW and Gap were absolutely terrible. Maybe it was in my head, I don’t know. I’ve only ever played with one golfer with them, he loved them all.
Hi Lester, im happy to come on and talk single length clubs. Have used for 5 years and h'cap has come from 19.1 to 13.2 They have their drawbacks but just as many advantages. I play 5hy to GW one length. All my other clubs are traditional length.
If only there were people who would teach OL to new players. 4 months into golf. Gave up standard after 2. It makes being BRAND NEW so much easier for me. 1 set up, 1 swing, each ball at the range is practice for 4hi-G and 56* In under 2 months I took off 10 strokes.
The golf companies have no incentive to go this route. I believe they would sell less clubs and make less money if they did. Golfers would buy less clubs separately, for example no need to buy additional wedges and less likely to buy a 3 or 4 iron. Maybe just purchase two single length hybrids a fairway wood and a driver and that’s it. I just bought some single lengths but haven’t received them yet, looking forward to trying them out.
My first set was a single length shaft that my grandfather made. When he past they were given to me. I thought all club were this way😅 Very much enjoyed my first 2 years with them and made a switch to a traditional set only because everyone else used a traditional set. Still play with that old set from time to time. I think you've got it right "we don't like change" so much of this game is played in our own head.
It’s an interesting concept but there are clearly problems that the manufacturers haven’t solved. For example, today the goal seems to produce a 7 iron that goes as long as possible. Length sell clubs. That often makes the gapping at the top end of the set ridiculous. This is particularly evident in one length sets where the shorter shafts already is a problem regarding getting enough hight on your shots. For people with less than elite swing speed maybe the long irons should be more hybrid style, but without the draw bias that they always seem to build in to hybrid clubs. Avodo ( the ones making Bryson clubs ) has an interesting design with slightly longer long irons.
It is your mind that is getting in your way. Like any other clubs you have to get on the range to learn your distances just like any other set of irons.
Bobby Jones used single length irons in 1930 to win the Grand Slam, so this idea has been around for some time.... and still nearly all pro's since then don't see the benefit. You are spot on, I would not have the time to mentally change to these and relearn the feel/distances.
Nice to see you tried and tasted a little bit on the One length clubs. There are way more brands then Cobra, Wishon, Orlimar, 1iron, Avoda and ... the one I'm gaming Pinhawk SL. I'm an avid one lenght believer and am lucky that in the 5 year I'm playing now ... I only used variable length merely the 1st 5 months. Thereafter switched to SL and will never look back. On my channel there are quite some vids (also Live ones) that have single length as topic. Just browse around to get a feel and get some extra info. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
@berniebarnesgolf Some time, interest and believe in the principle will bring everyone some knowledge. It's cool you are trying it and perhaps you might even give it a go. Awesome dude. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I use the Cobra Radspeed one lengths. People say "it's hard to get used to the one length" and that is hilarious. You mean having a different ball position in your stance for each club is easier??? Having a slightly different swing for each club is easier??? Most people that "talk" about gapping have never swung the clubs or are playing the clubs like standard lengths. Once you get used to the consistency/simplicity you will never go back.
I use darkspeed onelenght and after playing 3 rounds my mistakes have gone down considerably more steady playing. Only thing I need is to find my lenght and the gapping. Have 6 down PW
Hi mate, I play one length and have done for around a year now, love the clubs. In my opinion mate you have to be testing the latest models as they have improved loads Since them ones you've used. I agree with you in the sense marketing but would be hard to get people that's playing for a long time to completely switch from What they have been doing for years. I went to a couple of different fitters, they all told me I had to swing like bryson for them to work. Untill I went cobra themselves went for a fitting with them they found the right shaft and them also custom gapped out my irons from 4 to 60 wedge I have perfect gapping. I'd say to anyone thinking about them to have a fitting. Ye I understand that people. Might not want to buy brand new but I don't have a problem with them. And I only swing them around 80mph
Thanks Harrison. I would have loved to try the newer versions (as im sure there’s massive improvements) but I had to buy these to try them, so couldn’t justify the latest versions prices. Thanks for your feedback and I’m glad they work for you.
Lester cracking vid!! I stupidly bought a one length hybrid , what a waste of money !!! Im still beating myself up about it now !!! Never again !! Great vid though ! ❤
Great explanation and demo of the one length irons. I've never used them, but feel that they would need to reduce in length from 8 iron down, but the benefits in the long irons could be great. I know Bryson had to do loads of work on the wedges to get them how he wanted them. Keep up the great work.
Great review Lester. I used to have the F9’s as a beginner. They helped tremendously. But as my swing got better I couldn’t use them anymore. So I just upgraded to Titleist T100s and I love them. And it was very simple to switch to more traditional clubs.
Thanks my friend. I definitely think one length irons could help those beginners. It’s great that you were able to adapt to the change to variable lengths seamlessly.
I think part of the issue is that a person has to commit and spend some time with them, not something that you can take few swings in the bay and tell anything much. I used single length for several years, 4 iron down to lob wedge, with good results. I switched back to regular mainly because I just wanted to try some of the newer stuff. I've since switched back because I can tell I was more consistent with them. I really liked the wedges, and not so much 5 iron. It's early days with the aerojet OL 5 iron, but already it is the best version I have tried to date. The wedges are much easier on my back, and the extra swing speed really helps cut through the rough. I'm even considering an OL set from 7 iron to lob wedge, and then have a 'normal' 6 and 5 iron. That could be the ideal set for me.
Honestly, you can't expect to play a single round with a different set up and expect to be striking the ball the same. I think you have to play multiple rounds so that you can get used to them before you start listing downsides.
When i moved home i sold my variable clubs and bought all single length from driver-LW. If you get them correct to your wrist to floor measurement it helps a lot. My swing speed isn't fast as i swing very smooth due to very dodgy knee so my 7iron goes 150-155yrds. I got the 4 and 5 in hybrids. I gotta say all my distances are spot on and have perfect 10-13yrd gaps however i gotta say the 6iron definitely has an ever so slightly more penetrating flight but the spin still stops the ball. I use pinhawk single length irons and fairway woods and a different brand driver. With the wedges you can grip down to reduce distance like you would normally btw
Also I might add that the transition was literally instant on the range as you just setup for whatever club is your usual wrist to floor measurement and all clubs will swing the exact same way
Bonjour Lester, I have actually thought about this because my old blades were rusted at the butt end and needed shortening or reshafted, being Scottish shortening was cheaper 😂. Traditional lengths are 1/2" per club, why don't we use standard lengths PW-7 iron and then only go up 1/4" per club after that? Lie angle could be adjusted and lead tape can match swing weights. The results of this would be standard PW-7 iron, 1/4" shorter 6, 1/2" shorter 5, 3/4" shorter 4 and 1" shorter 3-iron. Makes perfect sense to me!!
I used a set while on a golf trip to the US. I was fine 6-9, same sort of distances and flights as variable. W was iffy, G was awful for me. And such a massive difference in shaft length down to the S. However... I have a one length hybrid in the 5i slot (same shaft length as 6i), and for the summer, I have a one length 3 utility as my alt tee club. Flat bullets that run and run when its dry (if you can remember such a thing). Like you, I found the concept best for the longer end. I think you may be able to get a setup like the one you described buying the one length utilities in various lofts rather then 2 sets.
I like the idea of being able to use the same swing throughout the irons, but my concern would be the specialty wedges having much shorter shafts than the one-length clubs. Imagine being in between clubs and having to decide between, say, a gap wedge that has a 7-iron shaft and a sand wedge that has a standard (and much shorter) wedge shaft.
Hi Bernie. I've played a couple of brands of one length, Pinhawk then Cobra f9. My overall opinion was that they were great when I was just starting out, as they gave me one constant in a game of massive variables. As I improved though issues began to become more obvious. As you said, a faster swing speed is necessary for the lower lofted irons or you lose gapping etc. So I dropped down to Pw to 7iron and back to standard length 6 +5. I also found with a full set when I needed to use fairway Woods or hybrids I wasn't able to set up properly as I had less experience with longer clubs. At the other end of the bag, I used a one length gap wedge ( 52) for full shots, but standard 56/ 60 for chipping and bunkers etc. Eventually though I have come back to standard clubs through the bag, as I wanted to play Ping irons ( bought the driver, so impressed I wanted the irons too) but they don't do one length and to be honest, after using standard length long irons, going back to standard length higher lofts has actually helped me as my skill as a golfer has improved.
I have 9 iron, PW and GW the same length (9i) and SW and LW the same length (9i minus .5“). My short game is by far the best part of my game. I feel that I can hit every different shot with all of these five clubs. Probably could have 5 to 8 in the length of my current 8 iron as well. Never tested it though and as you said, nobody offers that. Great review.
I thought about this in the 70s. I'm still thinking having a 5 & 6 iron set to the same length as my 7 iron. Think manufacturers are maybe missing an opportunity here in that shortening the 3 thru 6 to 7 iron length may be a good thing for high handicappers. Looks like there are folks out there who bought a full set of one length and are selling 8 - GW while keeping the 4 - 7 one length.
I think you are right! Maybe it’s easier for manufacturers to just stick with the variable length clubs and not spend time and money on developing one length clubs.
Hi Lester, I have been using a second hand set of Cobra F7 mainly to make it easier on my back, with one ball positionTend to use 7 to sand wedge but carry specialist wedges. 70 this year and will not change back to variable length.
@@berniebarnesgolf Hi David, I'm 68 and have had two back operations, best thing I ever did was buy one length. It took all the pressure off and I was amazed as I told Bernie in the comments that they are so easy to hit & has brought back the consistency I used to have as a scratch golfer. Have a great weekend in the Easter comps. regards.
I switched from Callaway variable lengths to Cobra one lengths 12 months ago. Love them and wouldn't go back. My only concern is moving forward and availability of other one length clubs when I replace them.
Lester I love them, f9 I use 9-4 irons Lester I agree with you I prefer the longer irons. They don’t hit that high,Work well in the wind playing links golf.
I think you’re right about these clubs,maybe one of the issues with these clubs is that it’s hard to find somewhere that you can take them out on a course and test them only maybe at a range with mate. And we all know if you can’t test them on grass I don’t think a proper idea of them. To be honest not really sure that’s the best way to be fitted either. Good review Bernie
Use standard pings and hit my 7 iron well but struggled with my hybrid. So I bought a one length cobra hybrid as thought as I hit my 7 iron well etc Really struggled as I was still hitting it as a hybrid. So after shouting at myself, telling myself to see and hit it as my 7 iron it just clicked and now love it. I can see concept working for 4-6 iron but wedges not sure
I gamed the Cobra One Length F9’s for a few seasons & just could not get the gaping from 7 up correct … 5-6-7 all were really close & I am a high swing speed player … But I was really gr8 with the lower end of the bag (especially around the green), which is the reverse of most people that try one length … As a concept I liked them but I just could not get the gaping right at the top of the bag.
Nice one Bernie , must admit to trying one length clubs and just couldn’t get my head round them , like you found the short irons almost impossible to play .
Because it works. When golfers played hickory shafts, their irons were same length. Manufacturers started the half inch increments so that they could mass produce them.
@@berniebarnesgolf The set of irons used by Bobby Jones used to win his grand slam in 1930 are all same length. I believe they are located in East Lake Club House. I'm 99% sure I heard that in vid somwhere on you tube or in a documentary.
I played the Sterling one length irons a few years back and I sold them as my club fitter tried everything to get me to hit the 8 iron to Sand wedge straight, the extra length I pulled the ball hard left !! He tried flattening the club to its max and I still pulled the ball left , so I gave up on them, It's a nice concept but they are NOT for everyone !!!!
Tried them Bernie, loved 4-9 but struggled with PW, GW. They ballooned up in the air and were to difficult to chip and put with. I think most people would benefit from 4-6 iron one length. Cobra do forged tec in one length which is a more attractive option 👍
@@berniebarnesgolf I had my standard set that i was fit for, and just brought F9's individually as only needed 3. was an experiment to start with. but has worked out really well. even stuck a OL 3 hybrid in the bag. for a 16HC the long irons are a challenge, and these 3 have made me not so scared of being 180/200 out now than i was before.
Tom Wishon stockists sell individual One Length heads and you can simply buy them and have the club made up by your local golf shop, or do it yourself.
I've used one-length previously and probably will do again. As you say, probably need to give a fair bit of time to get feel for lower end of the bag and for me will likely look to time the purchase to end of season and use the winter for that purpose whether on course or at range. Why its not taken off with other Pro's is bit of a mystery but maybe younger folk inspired by Bryson will start coming out of the college circuit in the next few years and may get a few more using them?
I would like to do more experimenting with the concept Mark and feel with a bit of time (and effort) I could game them. I like the idea of doing this over the winter, where scores don’t really matter.
I think it seems great as a concept but not so good in practice! It might work better if we moved away from the traditional setup. It's like we are trying to shoehorn one length into the same makeup as variable length so a 5 iron is a 5 iron. Perhaps instead of numbers the irons should have letters?! Oh and the buggers will rattle like crazy in your bag :) Great content again
8 years ago, i changed to Pinhawk one length iron. My index in the year passed from 20 to 15, playing all clubs to the 6 iron. Now that i am getting older, i have completed the set with 6, 5, 4 Ping Eye 2 old clubs with perfect loft compared to the Classic loft of thé Pinhawk. Still 14,5 with This set. Unable to change.
Never tried them but from what you’ve explained I agree, I’d probably want the long irons down to 7 or 8 as 1 length, with the bottom of the bag traditional lengths. I don’t know if I’d want the one length, 7 iron though, I’d maybe want them a bit longer. I feel 5 iron is a comfortable set up position for me. I think I might have a read up on how the head weight differs and get a cheap second hand set and get busy with the pipe cutter, extensions and lead tape for an experiment. 🤔
I was thinking about trying them a while back. I joined a club for first time in a long while after taking early retirement after playing with Wilson D9s and finding jacked lifts hard to get airborne I swapped for some Cobra T rails which I love and shot an 83 today a real improvement and getting back to like 15 handicap I want to aim for over next year
Having watched reviews on these clubs a few times I totally get the concept, but agree with all of your points. The idea of 4-6 iron being the same makes sense. I’ve wanted to try them just for fun, but doubt I’d ever actually buy them. 40% more greens is outrageous! Imagine if everyone had copied Jones, then today variable length would seem weird! Also, Moe Norman used one length. Have to get the Canadian recognized!
@@berniebarnesgolf Yeah it’s wild to think about! People would be saying “I can’t hit these clubs, they’re all different lengths” if variable length were introduced 😂
The concept is actually a good idea.... some yrs ago I bought a cheap set of second hand Taylor Made MBs and made the 3,4,5 the same length as the 6 and "weighted"the heads accordingly with lead tape and left the rest of the clubs as was with good results....3,4,5 were immediately more pleasurable to play,would I do the same with a new set of irons costing £1500🤔🤔🤔.. I should be saying yes but it would be a very decision to make 🌟🎊🤩🥳
Good on you for doing something different. I would like to keep playing them for your social rounds over the next month or so to see if you got better with the wedges in particular.
Lester I would go 5 to 9 one length and then below that standard lenghts, but if you can't buy such a set it isn't worth the money. If they were so good then they would have really taken off which they haven't so I am going to stay "traditional" Good video and thought provoking
Thanks David. It’s something I’m sort of interested in finding out more about / experimenting with so thought I’d share with you all. Thanks for watching.
A few things: 1) why assume all 1L clubs are the same? is a PING game improvement iron same as a Mizuno blade? The Cobras are known for poor gapping, whereas Tom Wishon's clubs are far more advanced 2) Who in their right mind wants to say not to 40% more greens in reg? 3) the MAIN reason people don't buy them is because humans are sheep and we do what we see the golf pros do. If 50% of all pros used them far more people would use them. And pros won't as they grew up on variable and they can't afford to take the time to get used to 1L.
Bernie I have one length f8 s, bought brand new, it takes about a month to get used to the clubs, benefits same stance same ball position so reducing variation there, wedges I actually have Taylor made big foots, I love them but I am not one to go for the way something looks or sounds or who makes it. All I was bothered about was performance. Really suit me, but every golfer is different and even parts of my bag are different like wedges.
@@berniebarnesgolf yes Bernie give them a go, it does take a bit of time to get your head around it, like wearing Nike all your life then wearing some Adidas
Golf ? just a distant memory for me - waterlogged course 2 rounds since the end of October and rain forecast in 12 of the next 14 days , Nottingham - Stanton on the Wolds GC best greens in the UK if they ever dry out !
It does not take a year, just put in some time on the range. I do not have a fast swing speed and they are what kept me playing after six back surgeries.
I guess everyone will be different time wise, I just think personally I’ve used variable length for 30 odd years so think it would take me a while to be completely comfortable.
I've had cobra and wishon one length clubs and I think I will be returning to the singles length clubs again. There are a couple of American brands that offer duel length clubs. The wishon clubs were in my opinion the better of the two I've gamed. But as you say Lester it's a personal choice
You cannot judge a style of club with so few shots, you could have at least played a round of golf with them. Golf snobbery is why they don't sell, just the same as all Kirkland clubs, you're considered not a 'proper' golfer with one length. My stats & handicap have improved so much since I bought mine, consistency is the key and with an 'open' not pro 'bias' mind it only took me half a round to be comfortable with them, they are so easy to hit, who wouldn't want that.
I did hit a 100 balls at the range with the clubs and more on the course. Obviously I’m not showing every shot else the video would be 30 minutes long.
In that case, I really don't understand your difficulty. My club pro had no problem when he tried them, after all, ball in the middle of the stance, 7 iron length, any decent ball striker should not have any problem apart from mentally. Surely they have to be easier than learning 13 different swings for a beginner, try going from a four iron to a pitching wedge if you've just started. As to manufacturers, if one length took off, how many thousands of 'ordinary' clubs would become obsolete overnight, they can use the tour players to keep using whatever clubs they decide. As to Bryson, you don't win tournaments & score 59 without a great short game, let the snobbery go and see them for what they are, I do wonder how popular they would be if it was Taylor Made who launched them instead of Cobra, the video echoed Rick Shiels and most other pro's reviews. First time watching, I did enjoy your presentation & will check out your back videos. @@berniebarnesgolf
I didn’t mean to come across as a snob. Hopefully when you watch a few more videos (if you do) you will realise I’m not. Hope I have a balanced view, I would use them and like the idea but personally I’d need a bit of modification for me to really consider switching.
Fair enough Bernie, I didn't mean you personally, just pro golf in general, I, as you say, haven't watched enough of your videos to make that judgement. I thought the same about making adjustments, when I bought them I was going to make 8 - PW standard length but knowing I couldn't put back what I cut off, I gave them a try as they came & like I said, half a round is all it took to be actually excited about how I was striking the ball. Already watched several videos of yours & I am impressed, even more impressed that you take the time to not only read the comments but actually reply to them. Cheers That Man, have a good season.@@berniebarnesgolf
Actually I think there should be a grouping of one length. Driver; fairway woods / hybrids / driving irons down to 5 iron ; 6 iron to sand wedge; then wedges. Though the wedges can be held long or short so you can lump them with irons. Then putter. Not invested in by manufacturers and promoted, because it is to intellectual and confusing from most fitting “pros”. To assess for the individual player.
Not really a fair test Lester using a Cobra model from a few years back rather than their updated models which include at least a couple of models ( Forged Tec and dark speed ) Also Edel make a more low handicap one length model which would suit your playing abilities. My experience is that I switched to One Length 4 years ago and to graphite shafts at the same time. This was a attempt to save my golf game having had health issues which leave me with some problems with balance. I have played to 7 previously and maintained my handicap at 9 for many years. I haven’t stayed there but can still play reasonable well. Got tempted to go back to variable length last year and bought a set of nice Srixon irons which felt great but ended up going back to the Cobras and now considering buying a new set of single length irons. Not experienced gapping issues and love the “ short “ irons. I’m 66 and certainly don’t swing as fast as I used too. In the end One length kept me playing. Give the newer Cobras or Edel’s a test if you can get hold of a set for a up to date review which would be great. Think Dan played them for a while didn’t he ?
Unfortunately I wasn’t going to pay £700 for a new set of one length irons Andy. None of the companies would be interested in sending me products to review. As you say ideally the newer irons would have been better.
I started with Cobra F7 one length clubs but my gapping was just terrible. I have switched to traditional length clubs and couldn’t be happier. I’m sure the one length clubs are great for some people but they weren’t for me.
I've always thought 7 iron to to of bag should be one length and the bottom of the bag normal. Consistency problems with strike always seem to be toward the top of the bag not the bottom.
I want to try make my own one length irons, i play left handed but putt and use wedges right handed so they can stay variable length and i only have to worry about removing club head weight from the 8 and 9 iron.
So could possibly run a split set? You said about feeling confident with the long irons, could maybe go to 7 in one length then 8 down with normal length shafts? Just an idea.
Used the F9 one lengths for a while, and they were really good for me. but no better than traditional irons when i transitioned back i realised. This isn't your first go though is it Lester?, didn't you use a one length utility for a bit in the past? I think the longer stuff, and they hybrids in particular, are really good for people that struggle that end of the bag. Just wished they made a 7 iron length driver than went 250 down the middle every time.
So what is the difference in shaft length between a regular 7 iron and a regular 5 iron. About 1 inch, (37 & 38 respectively) So Bernie holds a club which is 1 inch shorter and it feels like a junior club 🤔.
Always fancied trying them, but probably from 8 to wedge would not be comfortable…… if I could pick up a cheap set to try, I think that’s the only way really know, no way would I want to spend 5 - 600 pounds on brand new to then find I couldn’t get on with them…. “Send me yours”. 😂
The reason why one length hasn't taken off is because they're usually made for mid-handicappers and don't look so great. Better players dislike the look. Also, and I believe the bigger problem is that All Tour players except Bryson uses them and he hasn't won enough nor he is interesting enough to move the needle. Now if Schefffler, Wyndham, Mcilroy, Rahm or Tiger used them more of us would be interested. Cheers.
Nice ball striking. Just a question on chipping. Do you change the club to suit the situation or do you mostly play the same club but vary how you use it. I'm in the vary how I use it camp.
I remember there being a big push when they 1st arrived but haven't heard a peep since 😂😂😂. Think I've met 1 person playing 1 lengths and they where massively into cobra they had cobra everything in the bag
One length has been around forever. The progressive weighing in the cobras, also the lofts gapping, totally suck. There are ways to make more consistent sets and with correct gapping, cobra aint it.
Cobra is indeed the biggest but also in my book ... not the best as they also fiddle with the lie angle throughout their set and are pretty strong lofted. Wishon would be the best in my books. Although I game the Pinhawk SL myself. The Avoda brand ... is for my new ... but to expensive. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I play cobra forge tec one lengths and love them. Shorter irons I just grip down when I need to be delicate. I think its just "golf snobbery" that stops people trying them.
You could be right Grant. I also think Bryson being Bryson probably hasn’t helped too.
I play nothing but one length Cobra clubs. I love them. Cobra has done the time and research to make it work. They are best for two categories of people. First new golfer second my group with a lot of back injuries. Only one ball position.
Every RUclipsr who I've ever seen review those clubs they don't use them as one length they choke down on mid to short irons. You have to use full shaft because Cobra has put a lot of money developing the heads to work. Oh they do work.
Totally get you. Reviews are just opinions of one individual.
I recently bought a set of one length irons and they have been awesome for me. My consistancy of contact has improved and my gapping is more consistant. I love them so far after about 6 months. I will keep playing them for sure.
Great feedback Bill! It’s nice to hear some success stories and that some people are benefiting from one length irons.
I do play OneLength 5-PW and helped me build confidence and as a consequence gained conistency. As Wedges I do have a 54, 56 und Lob in the Bag. No need to change anything - so I am a happy Golfer 😊
I definitely think there’s a place for them in the game Charlotte. Seems they are more popular than I thought.
I’m 6’ 8” tall and all my irons have had 2” longer shafts. As I’ve gotten older, i’m 77, I couldn’t reach the ground with the higher lofted clubs so hit a lot of tops. I had everything from 7 iron to my 58* wedge reshafted to the length of the 6 iron 4 years ago. I was surprised that the gapping was 10 yards between each. So - perfect!
Love that John!
Lester, I'm a one length player, cobra forged tec 5-pw and it's the biggest mistake I've made in golf. I had to go back to traditional wedges, and once I get above 6 iron the gapping is terrible. I strike the ball well but gapping between 5 and 6 iron is only 3-4 yards. That's probably because I just don't swing fast enough to get the ball in the air enough with the lower lofted clubs. I'm about to go back to variable length irons throughout the bag. The fact it's only Bryson that uses them tells it's own story and the handful of people that I know that had one lengths have changed back to variable length. I'll be booking myself a full set fitting at Scottsdale golf, fit, build, play service in the next few weeks.
I remember you having them on a bus tour! Should have asked your opinion Paul!
@@berniebarnesgolf yep several bus tours. Booking in for a fitting at Scottsdale golf soon. Fitted and clubs built on the same day. Going for a PW through to driver fitting. If you fancy content from a dodgy mid handicapper getting fitted and can do a trip to Manchester let me know
Cool, ... config how ever it works for you should always be the way. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I’ve had the complete opposite experience, but I do have a faster swing speed. One Length completely changed my game for the better. The standard lofts on the Cobra Forged Tec One Lengths were almost perfect off the shelf. I have about 12-14yd gapping from OL wedges to OL 3-hybrid. Had to de-loft the 4 iron down to 20 degrees to get a little more separation from the 5 iron, but other than that, best clubs I’ve ever played. Took me from a low-mid 80s to an average mid to high 70s, w an occasional low 80 in there. The consistency is on another level.
@@I_Luv_Ma_Squad Awesome experience dude. Sounds like you are low hcp playa. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I game Sterling one length irons, 5 - GW. I have found:
- My good shots aren't any better than those I used to hit with variable length irons. My longer irons are a bit shorter, but not significantly so.
- My gapping isn't all that different than I had with variable length irons. I struggled with the gap between my longer irons and i still do. I am going to test one length hybrids this spring and see what they do for me.
- While I use the same setup and swing for all my stock shots, I still choke down on them when appropriate. It does help change the flight and distance.
- I tend to score better because I don't hit as many awful shots. I dont make more birdies with my one length clubs, but I do make fewer high numbers.
Are they for everyone? For sure no. Highly skilled golfers may see less benefit. And there can be a mental hurdle.
They might help you if you have limited time to practice - not only does having one stock iron swing simply things, but you are practicing hitting all your irons with each swing. And you may hit fewer bad shots per round like I do. But you have to understand what these clubs will and won't do, and you have to test them before you buy.
Thanks Chris for the brilliant explanation/ summary. Hopefully this will help others when or if they are thinking about switching! Much appreciated.
When Bryson/Cobra first burst onto the scene with “one length” I went through a full fitting experience.
5-8 iron were fantastic. 9 PW and Gap were absolutely terrible. Maybe it was in my head, I don’t know. I’ve only ever played with one golfer with them, he loved them all.
I have a friend in his 70’s who loves them.
I literally don’t know anyone who uses them Paul.
It’s the shorter irons I had the issues with Andrew!
Hi Lester, im happy to come on and talk single length clubs. Have used for 5 years and h'cap has come from 19.1 to 13.2
They have their drawbacks but just as many advantages. I play 5hy to GW one length. All my other clubs are traditional length.
I love a success story like yours mate! Something I’m interested in experimenting more in the future with.
If only there were people who would teach OL to new players. 4 months into golf. Gave up standard after 2. It makes being BRAND NEW so much easier for me. 1 set up, 1 swing, each ball at the range is practice for 4hi-G and 56* In under 2 months I took off 10 strokes.
That’s a great story and seems like a real success for you.
The golf companies have no incentive to go this route. I believe they would sell less clubs and make less money if they did. Golfers would buy less clubs separately, for example no need to buy additional wedges and less likely to buy a 3 or 4 iron. Maybe just purchase two single length hybrids a fairway wood and a driver and that’s it. I just bought some single lengths but haven’t received them yet, looking forward to trying them out.
That’s a great point that I hadn’t thought about.
My first set was a single length shaft that my grandfather made. When he past they were given to me. I thought all club were this way😅 Very much enjoyed my first 2 years with them and made a switch to a traditional set only because everyone else used a traditional set. Still play with that old set from time to time.
I think you've got it right "we don't like change" so much of this game is played in our own head.
It’s interesting that you found switching to variable length clubs strange Max.
It’s an interesting concept but there are clearly problems that the manufacturers haven’t solved. For example, today the goal seems to produce a 7 iron that goes as long as possible. Length sell clubs. That often makes the gapping at the top end of the set ridiculous. This is particularly evident in one length sets where the shorter shafts already is a problem regarding getting enough hight on your shots. For people with less than elite swing speed maybe the long irons should be more hybrid style, but without the draw bias that they always seem to build in to hybrid clubs. Avodo ( the ones making Bryson clubs ) has an interesting design with slightly longer long irons.
Length absolutely sells equipment John and we all fall for it!
It is your mind that is getting in your way. Like any other clubs you have to get on the range to learn your distances just like any other set of irons.
Totally agree!
Bobby Jones used single length irons in 1930 to win the Grand Slam, so this idea has been around for some time.... and still nearly all pro's since then don't see the benefit. You are spot on, I would not have the time to mentally change to these and relearn the feel/distances.
Exactly Tony! Imagine if in the 30s they all copied Bobby and the marketing was as good as now then traditional irons would seem strange!
Nice to see you tried and tasted a little bit on the One length clubs. There are way more brands then Cobra, Wishon, Orlimar, 1iron, Avoda and ... the one I'm gaming Pinhawk SL.
I'm an avid one lenght believer and am lucky that in the 5 year I'm playing now ... I only used variable length merely the 1st 5 months. Thereafter switched to SL and will never look back. On my channel there are quite some vids (also Live ones) that have single length as topic. Just browse around to get a feel and get some extra info.
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Thanks mate! Ivd watched some of your videos and you are definitely more of an expert on the one length irons then I am!
@berniebarnesgolf Some time, interest and believe in the principle will bring everyone some knowledge. It's cool you are trying it and perhaps you might even give it a go. Awesome dude. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
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I use the Cobra Radspeed one lengths. People say "it's hard to get used to the one length" and that is hilarious. You mean having a different ball position in your stance for each club is easier??? Having a slightly different swing for each club is easier??? Most people that "talk" about gapping have never swung the clubs or are playing the clubs like standard lengths. Once you get used to the consistency/simplicity you will never go back.
People don’t like change in all aspects of life Brian.
I use darkspeed onelenght and after playing 3 rounds my mistakes have gone down considerably more steady playing. Only thing I need is to find my lenght and the gapping. Have 6 down PW
Hi mate, I play one length and have done for around a year now, love the clubs. In my opinion mate you have to be testing the latest models as they have improved loads Since them ones you've used.
I agree with you in the sense marketing but would be hard to get people that's playing for a long time to completely switch from What they have been doing for years.
I went to a couple of different fitters, they all told me I had to swing like bryson for them to work.
Untill I went cobra themselves went for a fitting with them they found the right shaft and them also custom gapped out my irons from 4 to 60 wedge I have perfect gapping.
I'd say to anyone thinking about them to have a fitting. Ye I understand that people. Might not want to buy brand new but I don't have a problem with them. And I only swing them around 80mph
Thanks Harrison. I would have loved to try the newer versions (as im sure there’s massive improvements) but I had to buy these to try them, so couldn’t justify the latest versions prices.
Thanks for your feedback and I’m glad they work for you.
I agree the concept is good i would also like the 6,5 and 4 iron the same length as my 7 as i struggle with them the most. Another great video mate
Thanks John. I would definitely combo a set if you didn’t need two separate sets as you say.
Lester cracking vid!! I stupidly bought a one length hybrid , what a waste of money !!! Im still beating myself up about it now !!! Never again !! Great vid though ! ❤
Cheers Phil! Appreciate the comment.
Great explanation and demo of the one length irons. I've never used them, but feel that they would need to reduce in length from 8 iron down, but the benefits in the long irons could be great. I know Bryson had to do loads of work on the wedges to get them how he wanted them. Keep up the great work.
Thanks John. I feel they are gameable would require a lot of time, effort and patience.
Great review Lester.
I used to have the F9’s as a beginner. They helped tremendously.
But as my swing got better I couldn’t use them anymore. So I just upgraded to Titleist T100s and I love them.
And it was very simple to switch to more traditional clubs.
Thanks my friend. I definitely think one length irons could help those beginners. It’s great that you were able to adapt to the change to variable lengths seamlessly.
I think part of the issue is that a person has to commit and spend some time with them, not something that you can take few swings in the bay and tell anything much. I used single length for several years, 4 iron down to lob wedge, with good results. I switched back to regular mainly because I just wanted to try some of the newer stuff. I've since switched back because I can tell I was more consistent with them. I really liked the wedges, and not so much 5 iron. It's early days with the aerojet OL 5 iron, but already it is the best version I have tried to date. The wedges are much easier on my back, and the extra swing speed really helps cut through the rough. I'm even considering an OL set from 7 iron to lob wedge, and then have a 'normal' 6 and 5 iron. That could be the ideal set for me.
I think you are right James. Can’t see people willing to commit the time and effort to the change.
Honestly, you can't expect to play a single round with a different set up and expect to be striking the ball the same. I think you have to play multiple rounds so that you can get used to them before you start listing downsides.
Agreed and I believe if I used them for a few months I’d be able to game the clubs.
When i moved home i sold my variable clubs and bought all single length from driver-LW. If you get them correct to your wrist to floor measurement it helps a lot. My swing speed isn't fast as i swing very smooth due to very dodgy knee so my 7iron goes 150-155yrds. I got the 4 and 5 in hybrids. I gotta say all my distances are spot on and have perfect 10-13yrd gaps however i gotta say the 6iron definitely has an ever so slightly more penetrating flight but the spin still stops the ball. I use pinhawk single length irons and fairway woods and a different brand driver. With the wedges you can grip down to reduce distance like you would normally btw
Also I might add that the transition was literally instant on the range as you just setup for whatever club is your usual wrist to floor measurement and all clubs will swing the exact same way
Thanks for the info mate, I like the idea of the wrist to floor measurements for the correct length.
Bonjour Lester, I have actually thought about this because my old blades were rusted at the butt end and needed shortening or reshafted, being Scottish shortening was cheaper 😂. Traditional lengths are 1/2" per club, why don't we use standard lengths PW-7 iron and then only go up 1/4" per club after that? Lie angle could be adjusted and lead tape can match swing weights. The results of this would be standard PW-7 iron, 1/4" shorter 6, 1/2" shorter 5, 3/4" shorter 4 and 1" shorter 3-iron. Makes perfect sense to me!!
If it makes perfect sense to you then do it Craig 😂 lie angles would be the main thing that needs checking / changing as you say.
Got a bid in on ebay on a cheap set just to give them a try, can always sell them on.
That’s the best way to do it!
I used a set while on a golf trip to the US. I was fine 6-9, same sort of distances and flights as variable. W was iffy, G was awful for me. And such a massive difference in shaft length down to the S.
However...
I have a one length hybrid in the 5i slot (same shaft length as 6i), and for the summer, I have a one length 3 utility as my alt tee club. Flat bullets that run and run when its dry (if you can remember such a thing). Like you, I found the concept best for the longer end. I think you may be able to get a setup like the one you described buying the one length utilities in various lofts rather then 2 sets.
It’s interesting how there’s many people modifying and using one length clubs along with the variable length ones as well.
I like the idea of being able to use the same swing throughout the irons, but my concern would be the specialty wedges having much shorter shafts than the one-length clubs. Imagine being in between clubs and having to decide between, say, a gap wedge that has a 7-iron shaft and a sand wedge that has a standard (and much shorter) wedge shaft.
I get what you are saying Howie and I have the same concern as you.
Hi Bernie. I've played a couple of brands of one length, Pinhawk then Cobra f9. My overall opinion was that they were great when I was just starting out, as they gave me one constant in a game of massive variables. As I improved though issues began to become more obvious. As you said, a faster swing speed is necessary for the lower lofted irons or you lose gapping etc. So I dropped down to Pw to 7iron and back to standard length 6 +5. I also found with a full set when I needed to use fairway Woods or hybrids I wasn't able to set up properly as I had less experience with longer clubs. At the other end of the bag, I used a one length gap wedge ( 52) for full shots, but standard 56/ 60 for chipping and bunkers etc. Eventually though I have come back to standard clubs through the bag, as I wanted to play Ping irons ( bought the driver, so impressed I wanted the irons too) but they don't do one length and to be honest, after using standard length long irons, going back to standard length higher lofts has actually helped me as my skill as a golfer has improved.
I definitely think a beginner would benefit from the concept as you say John.
Not one for club reviews Bernie but I've given it a like and commented to help those figures 👍
Cheers Phil! Appreciate that. Need this content occasionally on the channel for growth.
I have 9 iron, PW and GW the same length (9i) and SW and LW the same length (9i minus .5“). My short game is by far the best part of my game. I feel that I can hit every different shot with all of these five clubs. Probably could have 5 to 8 in the length of my current 8 iron as well. Never tested it though and as you said, nobody offers that. Great review.
Thanks so much! I’d like to further test the concept and maybe try some different manufacturers clubs. Maybe in the future.
I thought about this in the 70s. I'm still thinking having a 5 & 6 iron set to the same length as my 7 iron. Think manufacturers are maybe missing an opportunity here in that shortening the 3 thru 6 to 7 iron length may be a good thing for high handicappers. Looks like there are folks out there who bought a full set of one length and are selling 8 - GW while keeping the 4 - 7 one length.
I think you are right! Maybe it’s easier for manufacturers to just stick with the variable length clubs and not spend time and money on developing one length clubs.
Hi Lester, I have been using a second hand set of Cobra F7 mainly to make it easier on my back, with one ball positionTend to use 7 to sand wedge but carry specialist wedges. 70 this year and will not change back to variable length.
Definitely feel like it could benefit those with back issues as you say David.
@@berniebarnesgolf Hi David, I'm 68 and have had two back operations, best thing I ever did was buy one length. It took all the pressure off and I was amazed as I told Bernie in the comments that they are so easy to hit & has brought back the consistency I used to have as a scratch golfer. Have a great weekend in the Easter comps. regards.
That’s a great reason for one length irons! Love that!
I switched from Callaway variable lengths to Cobra one lengths 12 months ago. Love them and wouldn't go back. My only concern is moving forward and availability of other one length clubs when I replace them.
Glad they are working for you Michael. Hopefully they continue making and developing the one length clubs for you and others who use them.
Lester I love them, f9 I use 9-4 irons Lester I agree with you I prefer the longer irons. They don’t hit that high,Work well in the wind playing links golf.
Absolutely perfect for links golf as you say Mike.
I think you’re right about these clubs,maybe one of the issues with these clubs is that it’s hard to find somewhere that you can take them out on a course and test them only maybe at a range with mate.
And we all know if you can’t test them on grass I don’t think a proper idea of them.
To be honest not really sure that’s the best way to be fitted either.
Good review Bernie
Thanks David. Agree with all the above. Need like a 1/2 month trial with them and that’s not possible.
Use standard pings and hit my 7 iron well but struggled with my hybrid. So I bought a one length cobra hybrid as thought as I hit my 7 iron well etc
Really struggled as I was still hitting it as a hybrid. So after shouting at myself, telling myself to see and hit it as my 7 iron it just clicked and now love it. I can see concept working for 4-6 iron but wedges not sure
I feel exactly the same mate. Long irons spot on, short irons need some changes.
I gamed the Cobra One Length F9’s for a few seasons & just could not get the gaping from 7 up correct … 5-6-7 all were really close & I am a high swing speed player … But I was really gr8 with the lower end of the bag (especially around the green), which is the reverse of most people that try one length … As a concept I liked them but I just could not get the gaping right at the top of the bag.
Yeah that is a bit different to the norm mate! Interesting though.
Nice one Bernie , must admit to trying one length clubs and just couldn’t get my head round them , like you found the short irons almost impossible to play .
Do you feel you could get use to them Nick!? I feel I could with time.
Because it works. When golfers played hickory shafts, their irons were same length. Manufacturers started the half inch increments so that they could mass produce them.
I think I need to do some more research Roger. It’s an interesting subject.
@@berniebarnesgolf The set of irons used by Bobby Jones used to win his grand slam in 1930 are all same length. I believe they are located in East Lake Club House. I'm 99% sure I heard that in vid somwhere on you tube or in a documentary.
I couldn’t find much out when I did some research early last week.
I played the Sterling one length irons a few years back and I sold them as my club fitter tried everything to get me to hit the 8 iron to Sand wedge straight, the extra length I pulled the ball hard left !!
He tried flattening the club to its max and I still pulled the ball left , so I gave up on them, It's a nice concept but they are NOT for everyone !!!!
I saw the sterling clubs several years back when Mark Crossfield had a set. I definitely think they could help some golfers as you say.
Tried them Bernie, loved 4-9 but struggled with PW, GW. They ballooned up in the air and were to difficult to chip and put with. I think most people would benefit from 4-6 iron one length. Cobra do forged tec in one length which is a more attractive option 👍
I need to look at the forged tec ones I think as I like that head shape.
I have One Length in 5/6/7 then variable 8 down. the confidence with the "long" irons is amazing.
Did you have to buy 2 sets David?
@@berniebarnesgolf I had my standard set that i was fit for, and just brought F9's individually as only needed 3. was an experiment to start with. but has worked out really well. even stuck a OL 3 hybrid in the bag. for a 16HC the long irons are a challenge, and these 3 have made me not so scared of being 180/200 out now than i was before.
That’s cool
Tom Wishon stockists sell individual One Length heads and you can simply buy them and have the club made up by your local golf shop, or do it yourself.
Love that Kev!
I've used one-length previously and probably will do again. As you say, probably need to give a fair bit of time to get feel for lower end of the bag and for me will likely look to time the purchase to end of season and use the winter for that purpose whether on course or at range. Why its not taken off with other Pro's is bit of a mystery but maybe younger folk inspired by Bryson will start coming out of the college circuit in the next few years and may get a few more using them?
I would like to do more experimenting with the concept Mark and feel with a bit of time (and effort) I could game them. I like the idea of doing this over the winter, where scores don’t really matter.
I think it seems great as a concept but not so good in practice! It might work better if we moved away from the traditional setup. It's like we are trying to shoehorn one length into the same makeup as variable length so a 5 iron is a 5 iron. Perhaps instead of numbers the irons should have letters?! Oh and the buggers will rattle like crazy in your bag :) Great content again
Cheers Richard! Not a bad idea! Think they would need to modify the sets as you say and maybe less clubs would actually work.
8 years ago, i changed to Pinhawk one length iron. My index in the year passed from 20 to 15, playing all clubs to the 6 iron. Now that i am getting older, i have completed the set with 6, 5, 4 Ping Eye 2 old clubs with perfect loft compared to the Classic loft of thé Pinhawk. Still 14,5 with This set. Unable to change.
Great story Alexis and good luck reducing that handicap further!
Never tried them but from what you’ve explained I agree, I’d probably want the long irons down to 7 or 8 as 1 length, with the bottom of the bag traditional lengths.
I don’t know if I’d want the one length, 7 iron though, I’d maybe want them a bit longer. I feel 5 iron is a comfortable set up position for me.
I think I might have a read up on how the head weight differs and get a cheap second hand set and get busy with the pipe cutter, extensions and lead tape for an experiment. 🤔
I’d love to do a bit more experimenting with equipment and I probably will next winter. Think it could be an interesting series Stuart.
@@berniebarnesgolf if I do it and find anything relevant out I’ll let you know.
Cheers Stuart.
Now I would like to see you put normal variable length shafts in single length irons to see what the gapping and overall distances would be
Great idea Nick! I definitely want to do a few of those types of videos / experiments in the future.
I was thinking about trying them a while back. I joined a club for first time in a long while after taking early retirement after playing with Wilson D9s and finding jacked lifts hard to get airborne I swapped for some Cobra T rails which I love and shot an 83 today a real improvement and getting back to like 15 handicap I want to aim for over next year
Well done Richard! Awesome! Good luck with the handicap target!
Having watched reviews on these clubs a few times I totally get the concept, but agree with all of your points. The idea of 4-6 iron being the same makes sense. I’ve wanted to try them just for fun, but doubt I’d ever actually buy them. 40% more greens is outrageous! Imagine if everyone had copied Jones, then today variable length would seem weird! Also, Moe Norman used one length. Have to get the Canadian recognized!
It could have been the norm if there was better marketing and a few more players using them in the 1930s Tyler. Imagine that!
@@berniebarnesgolf Yeah it’s wild to think about! People would be saying “I can’t hit these clubs, they’re all different lengths” if variable length were introduced 😂
I can just imagine that 😂
The concept is actually a good idea.... some yrs ago I bought a cheap set of second hand Taylor Made MBs and made the 3,4,5 the same length as the 6 and "weighted"the heads accordingly with lead tape and left the rest of the clubs as was with good results....3,4,5 were immediately more pleasurable to play,would I do the same with a new set of irons costing £1500🤔🤔🤔.. I should be saying yes but it would be a very decision to make 🌟🎊🤩🥳
I agree with you the concept is great John! Just not sure the company / companies have got it completely right yet!
Good on you for doing something different. I would like to keep playing them for your social rounds over the next month or so to see if you got better with the wedges in particular.
Thanks Michael! I’ve actually sold them, but I’d definitely give them a go over the winter. Maybe next year would be worth using them.
Lester I would go 5 to 9 one length and then below that standard lenghts, but if you can't buy such a set it isn't worth the money. If they were so good then they would have really taken off which they haven't so I am going to stay "traditional" Good video and thought provoking
Thanks David. It’s something I’m sort of interested in finding out more about / experimenting with so thought I’d share with you all. Thanks for watching.
A few things: 1) why assume all 1L clubs are the same? is a PING game improvement iron same as a Mizuno blade? The Cobras are known for poor gapping, whereas Tom Wishon's clubs are far more advanced 2) Who in their right mind wants to say not to 40% more greens in reg? 3) the MAIN reason people don't buy them is because humans are sheep and we do what we see the golf pros do. If 50% of all pros used them far more people would use them. And pros won't as they grew up on variable and they can't afford to take the time to get used to 1L.
Bernie I have one length f8 s, bought brand new, it takes about a month to get used to the clubs, benefits same stance same ball position so reducing variation there, wedges I actually have Taylor made big foots, I love them but I am not one to go for the way something looks or sounds or who makes it. All I was bothered about was performance. Really suit me, but every golfer is different and even parts of my bag are different like wedges.
I would like to test them over a longer period ideally Dan. I did hit a 100 balls with them down the range, but that’s not enough.
@@berniebarnesgolf yes Bernie give them a go, it does take a bit of time to get your head around it, like wearing Nike all your life then wearing some Adidas
We don’t like change!
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Golf ? just a distant memory for me - waterlogged course 2 rounds since the end of October and rain forecast in 12 of the next 14 days , Nottingham - Stanton on the Wolds GC best greens in the UK if they ever dry out !
It’s been shocking hasn’t it Jeremy! Need a boat not a trolley!
I had a Cobra set a couple of years ago. I didn't hate them but didn't like them either. I went back to variable length.
I think a few people thought the same mate.
Interesting vid, Bernie. Thanks for putting out something a little different.
Thanks for watching Kev.
It does not take a year, just put in some time on the range. I do not have a fast swing speed and they are what kept me playing after six back surgeries.
I guess everyone will be different time wise, I just think personally I’ve used variable length for 30 odd years so think it would take me a while to be completely comfortable.
I've had cobra and wishon one length clubs and I think I will be returning to the singles length clubs again. There are a couple of American brands that offer duel length clubs. The wishon clubs were in my opinion the better of the two I've gamed. But as you say Lester it's a personal choice
Think I need to do a little more research on mixing the sets up and which companies offer that option Nick.
You cannot judge a style of club with so few shots, you could have at least played a round of golf with them. Golf snobbery is why they don't sell, just the same as all Kirkland clubs, you're considered not a 'proper' golfer with one length. My stats & handicap have improved so much since I bought mine, consistency is the key and with an 'open' not pro 'bias' mind it only took me half a round to be comfortable with them, they are so easy to hit, who wouldn't want that.
I did hit a 100 balls at the range with the clubs and more on the course. Obviously I’m not showing every shot else the video would be 30 minutes long.
In that case, I really don't understand your difficulty. My club pro had no problem when he tried them, after all, ball in the middle of the stance, 7 iron length, any decent ball striker should not have any problem apart from mentally. Surely they have to be easier than learning 13 different swings for a beginner, try going from a four iron to a pitching wedge if you've just started. As to manufacturers, if one length took off, how many thousands of 'ordinary' clubs would become obsolete overnight, they can use the tour players to keep using whatever clubs they decide. As to Bryson, you don't win tournaments & score 59 without a great short game, let the snobbery go and see them for what they are, I do wonder how popular they would be if it was Taylor Made who launched them instead of Cobra, the video echoed Rick Shiels and most other pro's reviews. First time watching, I did enjoy your presentation & will check out your back videos. @@berniebarnesgolf
I didn’t mean to come across as a snob. Hopefully when you watch a few more videos (if you do) you will realise I’m not. Hope I have a balanced view, I would use them and like the idea but personally I’d need a bit of modification for me to really consider switching.
Fair enough Bernie, I didn't mean you personally, just pro golf in general, I, as you say, haven't watched enough of your videos to make that judgement. I thought the same about making adjustments, when I bought them I was going to make 8 - PW standard length but knowing I couldn't put back what I cut off, I gave them a try as they came & like I said, half a round is all it took to be actually excited about how I was striking the ball. Already watched several videos of yours & I am impressed, even more impressed that you take the time to not only read the comments but actually reply to them. Cheers That Man, have a good season.@@berniebarnesgolf
Good luck to you for the season too!
Actually I think there should be a grouping of one length.
Driver; fairway woods / hybrids / driving irons down to 5 iron ; 6 iron to sand wedge; then wedges.
Though the wedges can be held long or short so you can lump them with irons. Then putter.
Not invested in by manufacturers and promoted, because it is to intellectual and confusing from most fitting “pros”.
To assess for the individual player.
Don’t agree with your last point.
Good I dept video, I can see the benefits and the downfalls
Cheers Damien! Lots of positives and negatives I think.
Not really a fair test Lester using a Cobra model from a few years back rather than their updated models which include at least a couple of models ( Forged Tec and dark speed ) Also Edel make a more low handicap one length model which would suit your playing abilities.
My experience is that I switched to One Length 4 years ago and to graphite shafts at the same time. This was a attempt to save my golf game having had health issues which leave me with some problems with balance. I have played to 7 previously and maintained my handicap at 9 for many years. I haven’t stayed there but can still play reasonable well. Got tempted to go back to variable length last year and bought a set of nice Srixon irons which felt great but ended up going back to the Cobras and now considering buying a new set of single length irons.
Not experienced gapping issues and love the “ short “ irons. I’m 66 and certainly don’t swing as fast as I used too. In the end One length kept me playing. Give the newer Cobras or Edel’s a test if you can get hold of a set for a up to date review which would be great. Think Dan played them for a while didn’t he ?
Unfortunately I wasn’t going to pay £700 for a new set of one length irons Andy. None of the companies would be interested in sending me products to review. As you say ideally the newer irons would have been better.
I started with Cobra F7 one length clubs but my gapping was just terrible. I have switched to traditional length clubs and couldn’t be happier. I’m sure the one length clubs are great for some people but they weren’t for me.
I feel the same James, I know they will work for some and they will swear by them, they are just not for me.
I've always thought 7 iron to to of bag should be one length and the bottom of the bag normal. Consistency problems with strike always seem to be toward the top of the bag not the bottom.
I’m thinking the same James.
I want to try make my own one length irons, i play left handed but putt and use wedges right handed so they can stay variable length and i only have to worry about removing club head weight from the 8 and 9 iron.
Worth an experiment I’d suggest!
Never tried them but I would also hazard a guess that getting into the 9 iron/Wedge/Gap would cause me issues from a visual standpoint-
That was my biggest issue Martyn!
40% improvement. I’m sold I’m shopping in the mizuno blades for a set of one length.
That’s what they are saying. Find it hard to believe Liam.
This makes sense to me but only 5-7. Nice review Lester.
Thanks Paul! I’m the same as you longer irons ✅
They do now make the one length in the king forged irons now.
If I can get my hands on them I’ll definitely try them mate.
So could possibly run a split set? You said about feeling confident with the long irons, could maybe go to 7 in one length then 8 down with normal length shafts? Just an idea.
Just want to say I wrote this before your conclusion 😂
I’ll let you off Oliver 😂 thanks for watching all the video 😂
I guess I’m gona try 5,6,7 same length as 7 & 8,9 same length as 9 while leaving the rest as in it is … Great video.
Thanks Richard. Let us know how you get on if you do try it.
That's what I had in mind. Let us know how it goes please
Used the F9 one lengths for a while, and they were really good for me. but no better than traditional irons when i transitioned back i realised.
This isn't your first go though is it Lester?, didn't you use a one length utility for a bit in the past?
I think the longer stuff, and they hybrids in particular, are really good for people that struggle that end of the bag.
Just wished they made a 7 iron length driver than went 250 down the middle every time.
You are correct Mo! I had a one length rescue and a one length 3 iron in the past!
Good video berni many questions asked. I cant see them improving my game.
Thanks Angela. I’m the same really in there current state I don’t think they would improve my game.
So what is the difference in shaft length between a regular 7 iron and a regular 5 iron. About 1 inch, (37 & 38 respectively) So Bernie holds a club which is 1 inch shorter and it feels like a junior club 🤔.
Well it fell short to me Graham. Only my opinion.
Always fancied trying them, but probably from 8 to wedge would not be comfortable…… if I could pick up a cheap set to try, I think that’s the only way really know, no way would I want to spend 5 - 600 pounds on brand new to then find I couldn’t get on with them…. “Send me yours”. 😂
I sold them straight away Carlos 😂 think you can pick a set up older ones up for £175ish.
Tried it, like everyone says ,G. P. 9 sky high 8 thru 5 ok but 2 clubs shorter , so giant gap between 5 and hybrid, was no benefit for me.
Similar to me Terry.
Didn't we do one length 5 years ago? For some reason it faded away. Probably because it doesn't work, even though it seems like it should.
Yeah agree Eric. Seems like it should be more popular, but isn’t.
Try the cobra one length hybrid. Could also use it as a chipper 😮
I tried and had one several years ago when I played all cobra clubs Dean. Just don’t get in with hybrids unfortunately.
It is because pro and sales people won't even carry them or put them in people's hands.
Maybe because variable length clubs work.
I only know one golfer with one length clubs. He loves them. It sounds good in theory, but... 😅
I’m the same Alison 😂
The reason why one length hasn't taken off is because they're usually made for mid-handicappers and don't look so great. Better players dislike the look. Also, and I believe the bigger problem is that All Tour players except Bryson uses them and he hasn't won enough nor he is interesting enough to move the needle. Now if Schefffler, Wyndham, Mcilroy, Rahm or Tiger used them more of us would be interested. Cheers.
You are right, I also think Bryson being Bryson doesn’t help either.
Probably good for a new player but anyone who plays conventional clubs will probably find them weird.
Yeah I agree with you David. So different to conventional.
I play the cobra forged 1 length 5-P. 60,55 and 50 are standard lengths and my 3 iron is also standard length
That’s interesting Brian, no gapping issues?
@@berniebarnesgolf no 50° goes 120 and punch pw goes 125. 6iron goes 185, 5 iron goes 198
Not too bed Brian
Nice ball striking. Just a question on chipping. Do you change the club to suit the situation or do you mostly play the same club but vary how you use it. I'm in the vary how I use it camp.
I change clubs to chip at the moment.
I remember there being a big push when they 1st arrived but haven't heard a peep since 😂😂😂. Think I've met 1 person playing 1 lengths and they where massively into cobra they had cobra everything in the bag
Yeah that’s exactly right Kev, I wonder how many of those that bought the one length still use them!
Bryson plays normal length wedges I thought
Think he does now Kevin
Tiger Shark did this in the 80s
I hadn’t realised so many manufacturers had actually experimented with one length clubs
hahaha i have that srixon glove but where does the marker go ffs? in fact i had 2 of them and lost both markers! lol
😂 it’s a mystery to me too mate 😂
I think after practice and getting used to the length of the clubs you should get better 👍
Yeah I’d agree with that Garry.
Very interesting lester
Cheers for watching Tony.
Is ball placement different with same length .. are all balls center of stance ??
Supposed to keep the ball position the same Pat. I was like a ball forward of centre with each club. Exactly where I’d be with a 7 iron.
@@berniebarnesgolf Thanks Brother !!
Hope that helps Pat.
One length has been around forever. The progressive weighing in the cobras, also the lofts gapping, totally suck. There are ways to make more consistent sets and with correct gapping, cobra aint it.
I couldn’t find any other second hand sets of one length that were reasonably priced unfortunately.
Cobra is indeed the biggest but also in my book ... not the best as they also fiddle with the lie angle throughout their set and are pretty strong lofted. Wishon would be the best in my books. Although I game the Pinhawk SL myself. The Avoda brand ... is for my new ... but to expensive. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
One length not for me but good video Lester
Cheers Mick!
Are these a new thing on the market or did you film this years ago and forget to post it 😂
I borrowed the clubs off a mare, so thought I’d review them Andrew 😂
@@berniebarnesgolf never seen a horse play golf, you are a talented lot down south 😂 enjoy the channel Lester 👍
😂 late night reply 😂 apologies Andrew 😂
Cobra has one length all the way from Hybrid 3 down to 60*. So you could h ave everything except driver and putter as one length.
I wasn’t aware of that. It’s hard to find much information about the one length clubs.