Only Murders in the Building Season 4 Episode 5 Breakdown | Recap & Review
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- Today I'm here to discuss Only Murders in the Building Season 4 Episode 5 "Adaptation" and I’m breaking it all down! This is my official SPOILER Review, Discussion and Scene Breakdown! Let's talk about everything in the comments and speculate about what to expect in the next episode!
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Adaptation
Only Murders in the Building: Season 4, Episode 5:
The trio face off against a collection of individuals who deceive, manipulate, and threaten as second nature - a Hollywood cast & crew.
Created by:
Steve Martin
John Hoffman
Starring:
Steve Martin
Martin Short
Selena Gomez
Aaron Dominguez
Amy Ryan
Executive producers:
Steve Martin
John Hoffman
Martin Short
Selena Gomez
Jamie Babbit
Dan Fogelman
Jess Rosenthal
Production Companies:
Rhode Island Ave. Productions
40 Share Productions
20th Television
Original network:
Hulu
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I think Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stole it. It explains how well the script captures the trio and why Charles likes it so much. And why Marshall has imposter syndrome. And Stubbins and Marshall have met before.
Ohhhhh! I thought that Glenn had taken Marshall for Mabel!!! But you have a point! They have met before! And, in that case, Marshall needs to kill Glenn!!!
😮 that would explain why Marshall is so agitated by any script changes!!!
Good point
Howard said “They’ve been shot.” (Closed Caption😂)
Gotcha, my screeners don’t have closed captions
The best way to watch this show. Honest
Plus, it sounded just like Howard. 😂
The motives have never been clear / well thought out schemes in all the seasons. They all happened in the heat of the moment. No murderer’s character got elaborated until the end. That’s why motives were never the way to look for clues in this series. Clues were from naming conventions, classic references and a general idea of how characters are introduced. Just my observations.
Well said
Yes that's why the questions Go: the who, the what the why and why now, that part comes last in this particular series. The problem is we are not sure on the Who so this season is playing both sides of that coin. Seems like right now the target was actually Sazz since no more attempts on Charles.
I definitely don't trust the writer. He gives that he will kill just to see how the trio operates.
I think the people in the background having "doubles" is a clue. Either someone has a double we haven't met or a double did it
Yeah he’s definitely suspicious
I agree having Bev be the killer or responsible for it is too similar to season 3’s producers being the murderers… however with all these doubles everywhere it begs the question: who is Bev’s double? We have t seen one yet 🤔
Great channel btw. 70k soon
Could it be the other podcast lady from the first couple seasons?
Also remember how Jan did the same! Didn't she get involved in helping them to know the clues they had. And the writer is doing the same.
Random pieces of info that jumps out to me:
- Sazz Pataki = HELGA Pataki (main character on Nickelodeon animated show, “Hey Arnold.” Helga’s character was masculine and aggressive (despite the dress and bow) and obsessed with Arnold and had a secret shrine of him in her closet, even though to him and the outside world, she acted like she hated/was annoyed by Arnold)
- all the PIG references this season & all the references to “3’s/triplets = 3 Little Pigs? Are all the 3’s and pig references connected, especially with the letter “E’s” like the one on Rudy’s chest, being written like the number 3? This episode hints that there may be 3 killers.
- also with all the pig references this season, it made me remember a pig reference from last season. In season 3, wasn’t it proven to be Ben that drew that pig on his mirror in his dressing room in lipstick after he ate the cookies? That pig reference with Ben from last season tied in with Ben’s stunt double “Glen” appearing this season is pretty suspicious to me
- M. Dudenoff = Dr. Maggie Dudenoff? Do we know Dr. Maggie’s last name, assuming Maggie is her first?
- Marshall’s last name being PEEPope. Every season the killer’s name relates to them being the murderer S1) Jan Bellows S2) Poppy Butler S3) Donna (belladonna poisoning) & Cliff. So “peep” would correlate with a murder we’ve been made to believe was done with a sniper rifle from a long distance across the courtyard. Sniper rifles usually have a peephole/scope to help get a clear visual on the target.
Fascinating! How does “Poppy Butler” relate to a stabbing?
Wow! Every point is legit! I was also wondering if Sazz was Helga. Which means Mr. Pinkeye would have known her as Helga. I think you are right there are 3 killers, maybe more as in Orient Express. Because Marshall and Glenn looked at each other in a way that brought "Perfect Strangers to mind"
@@DaisyLover06 I believe her name connection was to the phrase “the butler did it” which is popular in mystery/detective fiction
Marshall said he had 20/10 vision and they never actually checked his alibi but he seems unlikely murderer but might be next victim trying to overcome his imposter syndrome and approached someone whose shoe print matched and got it shot. Marshall has something in his OG script that caught Sazz's attention because he has something wrong about Jan or Charles since she knows them BOTH so well. I heard two shots and Marshall and skinny sister are missing and maybe they got shot or stunt doubles got shot. Howard said "THEY".
The timeline seems off if Sazz died when she left to get the wine because it did NOT take them 12 minutes to make their podcast back at Oliver's when the incinerator cut the power. That's not possible right?
We know someone else has Sazz's phone and might've played the message he or she got originally from Sazz for Bev's voicemail to mess with the timeline!
Sazz may have talked to Marshall or the Sisters about her concern first and NOT Bev and that's why she got killed...
My questions are:
How did Sazz know about the script?
What did Sazz see in it that was a" big problem"?
Was Sazz asked to be in it?
Did Sazz have connection to Dudenoff because face scribbled out and is Helga still in play?
Who poisoned Winnie and why?
Did Jan tell Sazz she did NOT poison Winnie?
HOW DID Bev end up at Sazz's shack?
Is the gun from the security guard Jan killed?
Why would Brothers sisters do it? Is that a RH, because Marshall saw maybe another footprint that matches on someone else
Is it 3 people not 2 BECAUSE one to shoot, one to clean and dump, and one to be in basement to incinerate because that's not close to Charles's apartment IF 12 minutes.
Is Glenn dead? Or just fighting mice still? Lol
Would love some answers
Yeah the timeline is definitely off. Appreciate you sharing all very insightful commentary and for watching my breakdown.
Oh AND when did the doorman get the note to replace the window and why can't we see the handwriting?
@@MovieFiles it's not always insightful. Just wanted to say IF I was going to do something with a Brothel connecting long game all seasons I would have the Brothel probably run by Bunny's mom secretly and why she had the porny painting of Charles's dad and how she used the secret ways to get blackmail and stuff. That might be how one of Ben's sewing ladies go into that biz who said she was a ho. Lol. . Also it could tie to some jewelry Tim Kono bought, but that's a stretch. I don't know how that ties to Winnie getting poisoned or why someone wants Sazz gone or Charles either.
My timeline for while series of off now so Was Jan around when that guy dated "Helga" she sounds crazy like Jan style?
Finally, was Sazz desperate enough to take her own death as a way to avoid breaking up with Jan? She had to know Jan was capable.of escape since she apparently taught her some parkour...I mean who else could Sazz have meant that wasn't Charles or Jan that she needed to get away from and was bad for her other than Cookie, who left already or maybe Scott Bakula lol.
Oh, We know.Charles's dad was in jail with dangerous types and might be somewhat related, but we know little about Sazz really
GUESS WHAT?!? In an interview, Steve Martin says that episode 6 is through the eyes of a camera lens the entire timeeeee!! 😮😮😮
Interesting 🤔
Episode 6 is "Blow Up", which is an Antonioni's movie, and means to magnify some part of a picture.
I agree with you that I don't think the brother sisters did it. It's too early in the show. It feels like a red herring. I do think marshall is suspicious.
What if Marshall is Tim Kono's brother? Just a thought. But the creators mentioned once they would tie all seasons together. Could be possible.
@@begimai_ That’s a interesting theory 🤔
Then Mabel would know that he had a sibling , they were friends in the back story in the first season .
Does anyone wonder about the incredible marksmanship it would take to make that shot is depicted by someone balancing their elbow on their leg with a powerful rifle in their hand? They would need a tripod and way more stability
Meryl was a suspect last season. I do think she’s in this season for fun because of her relationship with Martin Short
I think Sazz isn’t dead because the way the murder was described especially moving the b was so unrealistic, she probably walked out. I think the real murder is the gun shot at the end of this episode
After the shot the next scene shows the other sister look left and upwards like the shot came from above.
Also, notice Howard is recording the whole scene from the back.
Thoughts:
Sharing before watching so sorry if you mention these!
“Tighten it up” both Bev and the detective say this at different points, do they know each other? Is Bev somehow working for the cops?
Going into the lift/elevator, the brothers sisters are moving a long case that the camera kind of focuses on, could there be a rifle inside?
Oliver mentions a lesbian stage manager, is Bev a sort of ‘stage manager’ or are the brothers sisters? Could the lesbian stage manager be someone Sazz was seeing after splitting up with Jan?
Does Glenn Stubbins know the writer? He asks when he grew the beard, I don’t think he was mistaking him from Mabel in that moment, I think he recognised the writer… and if Glenn knows him, then maybe Sazz did too since Glenn and Sazz knew each other!
The timeline could be right because two people did it, but I also wonder if there are tunnels connecting to the westies too… that would cut down on time a significant amount!
I caught the " Tighten Up" lines too. It definitely stood out. 🤔
Glenn Stubbins does say "lassie" when commenting on the beard, but that could have been a joke with the writer from a previous encounter because the writer was so clean-shaven. That could be one reason why the writer (Marshall) was so self-conscious about how he looks. Also, what is Marshall's exact last name? I've seen it in different places as Peepope, P. Pope, and B. Pope. Does anyone know what it actually is and how do we know for sure?
Marshall has a poster of Antonioni's Blow Up!!!
Good Eye!
I have a Marshall P Pope theory in my video for this episode-one I've been saying since episode one: Marshall P. Pope stole Sazz's script, but was introduced by Helga who wanted Sazz for stunt double for her, but was unsuccessful in landing jobs due to her physical traits (just like Sazz). All of this made Sazz realized it's time to hang up the stuntman cape and also realized her script is missing. The rest in in my video but that's the basic gist of it the Marshall theory/Four Killer Theory
Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember that the west tower used to be connected but because of a brothel it is no longer connected. There has to be a way to cut through but they building just doesn’t want people to. I think Marshall did it by himself by cutting through a sort cut. Also if there is no short cut, how did the pig run from the west building to the east. Was Howard on the west side?
Yes I mentioned this back in episode 2 and 3 and I definitely think that will come back into the story at some point.
Lucy is the one that knows all the hiding places there... whatever happened to her?
This episode was clever and entertaining. I don’t think the brother sisters did it but I love that these episodes have slowly answered the questions that we may have had because of the episodes previously and the evidence that is shown. But I also love that we have questions now with what has happened
I don’t think anybody was shot I think a gun just went off. This episode was had a center of character arcs and their individual storylines.
Next episode we will probably get more clues and details about what else May could have happened while absolving the previous suspects.
Great Wrap Up. Is it more than one person who is the killer. There are too many suspects.
Definitely, maybe 3, 4 or 5 killers this time around 👀
We’re at the midpoint of the season, and they’re throwing clues after clues at us-BUT, nothing in the way of Motive. So, all the clues are just clever distractions. I’m like Detective Williams, I’m frustrated that the plot is not focused; she complains about the numerous murder boards-which is a sign that the Trio are not close to solving the Crime.
Many viewers, like myself, has always assumed there were two people involved in Sazz’ shooting (notice I didn’t say murder) because of the time element-that was confirmed in this episode.
Moving on to the Suspects, I’m sticking with my earlier theory-that you included in your Suspects today. I believe Loretta is the Shooter, and either Rudy or “The Junk” guy helped her. The Motive? Loretta wants to prevent her past secret being exposed: that she was once a Sex Worker, when there was a Brothel in the West Tower. Sazz found clues about the Unsolved, Cold Case in the West Tower-the killing related to the Brothel; and Loretta is afraid that the movie, in exploring the Brothel killing (that Loretta did NOT commit) would unmask Loretta as one of the Working Girls. That would destroy Loretta’s life, and she would lose Dickie, Oliver, and her now successful career in Hollywood.
BTW, there is a poster (in Marshal’s apartment) of the film “Blow Up”-which is about a “possible illusion” of a murder. I believe that theme will be played upon in next week’s episode, when the Brothers Sisters are filming their documentary.
Bottom Line: We MUST get the Motive before we can zero-in on a Suspect, and Solve the Crime.
Wow! Where did you get this brothel theory?
Awesome insight my friend. The motive is definitely the key.
@@zanybhr7696 I mentioned this back in episode 2 breakdown
Well the last season introduced us to one real worker in the sewing circle who might've been in brothel but I don't think that piece of info is super important to the story other than to say the two buildings are NOT connected anymore and that impacts timeline and need for two or three involved in Sazz's murder.
You make good points, and this also ties in to her getting Oliver to move over to her new location.
However, isn't this counter productive? It not only brings more attention to the location she's trying to detract from, it also opens up a new murder case and increases the chance that Oliver will end up being there even longer to carry out new podcasts.
Oliver deserves love. 😂😂
It seems there are multiple stories happening here. Like solving Zoe and Tim Kono's murders in season one and how we thought they were connected.
All the talk about trio's this episode made me think of the Soup family. I know they said pink eye guy was with them but what if he wasn't? Inez could be the clean-up guy, the daughter is the shooter and the dad is the muscle. Could explain another reason why the parents want the daughter to keep quiet and why she wants out so badly. We could be getting led astray by another theory i had about Marshall stealing Sazz's script (just like we were being led astray by the trio investigating the Dimas' in season one while Jan was right under their noses) when the soup family could be the actual culprits. They have a potentially perfect "How". We just need a clearer picture on the "Why" and "Why Now".
You are right there has always been stories within the main story that we see and I like the theory I wonder if they will return to the people in the west tower because sometimes once we figure things out or they show who they actually are they leave the story line alone.
Perfect vision might mean he wouldn't miss or mistake the difference between Charles and Sazz.
If he was the killer, it would be too similar to Jan embedding herself in the season 1murder investigation. It wouldn't be a satisfying reveal.
Odd that Howard faints at sight of blood in season 1 but not when glen & zach are bleeding out during photo shoot
If Sazz called Bev and introduced herself, how would Bev know about the Trampoline Park plans and where it was?
A few things. The vm was left on Bevs phone, who was in LA, at 11:07 LA time. From a LA 213 phone number. But SP was in NY. So does that mean SP called Bev at 2:07 AM NY time? So the party in the Arconia was going past 2AM and SP was shot around 2 AM? I cant believe they would make such a huge, obvious continuity mistake. So I must be confused. Next. Are we to believe that this hunk swimmer/actor guy in his late 20s, early 30s is interested in 70s old lady Loretta? Huh? Also makes no sense.
One thing Im thinking is here we are in Ep 5 and there is no way the show is making it so obvious that the Brothers did it. So that has to be a RH. Other thought on the SP vm is perhaps thats something Bev managed to create through prior recorded conversations and/or auditions with SP with editing and then had a different phone from someone in LA call her phone and play the recorded (edited) message...specifically for alibi. Bev is much more sus than the Brothers for me at this stage.
Yeah the 11:07 Pacific time was a question I had and then how did Bev end up at Sazz's shack? That didn't seem like something she should know.
The gun probably belonged to the guard Jan killed and she was hiding out there or searched for clues there is a thought.
Bev is still weird with that side conversation with Mabel unless it's a set up for next season. The buying you totally made me think of Cinda Canning again when the assistant said they were buying her in Season 1.
Main question is how did Sazz find out about the script BEFORE the trio? Who showed her a full script?
Good catch
I wouldn't think the writers would have back to back murderers who are/were producers.
@@PeacefulGanja or would they...we think they might have back to back deaths of Ben and Glen🤔
Bev is lying : she was in N.Y. when Sazz called. No alibi!
How did she find the Impact Academy place? I believe she was in the dark on purpose, because she knew where the light switch was.
Who will be playing Jan in the movie ? (her "double") A man ?
I doubt the gun in the shack is registered to Sazz. Bev acted like she has never held a gun, can we cross her off as the shooter? Marshall seems to clumsy to clean up the murder sceen and move the body. But agree, he could be the shooter! One of the Brothers' Sisters is to small to move the body. Glen is waiting outside Charles door.....so he can't get in. The night of the murder someone got it. This a cast of people working together...the question is which ones? I feel more than two.
@@theartofintuition7682 Yeah there seems to be a lot of killers potentially involved this time around
Howard has walked into everyone’s apartment and nobodies said anything
I think Jan is involved with Bev, possibly a sister? I think Sazz told Jan of “Paradise”
Good Job
Appreciate it
I think glen stubbins was shot..another mistaken identity as he was dressed as oliver...i agree this will go back to the brothel..marahall def involved
Marshall said he had 20/10 vision and they never actually checked his alibi but he seems unlikely murderer but might be next victim trying to overcome his imposter syndrome and approached someone whose shoe print matched and got it shot. Marshall has something in his OG script that caught Sazz's attention because he has something wrong about Jan or Charles since she knows them BOTH so well. I heard two shots and Marshall and skinny sister are missing and maybe they got shot or stunt doubles got shot. Howard said "THEY".
The timeline seems off if Sazz died when she left to get the wine because it did NOT take them 12 minutes to make their podcast back at Oliver's when the incinerator cut the power. That's not possible right?
We know someone else has Sazz's phone and might've played the message he or she got originally from Sazz for Bev's voicemail to mess with the timeline!
Sazz may have talked to Marshall or the Sisters about her concern first and NOT Bev and that's why she got killed...
My questions are:
How did Sazz know about the script?
What did Sazz see in it that was a" big problem"?
Was Sazz asked to be in it?
Did Sazz have connection to Dudenoff because face scribbled out and is Helga still in play?
Who poisoned Winnie and why?
Did Jan tell Sazz she did NOT poison Winnie?
HOW DID Bev end up at Sazz's shack?
Is the gun from the security guard Jan killed?
Why would Brothers sisters do it? Is that a RH, because Marshall saw maybe another footprint that matches on someone else
Is it 3 people not 2 BECAUSE one to shoot, one to clean and dump, and one to be in basement to incinerate because that's not close to Charles's apartment IF 12 minutes.
Is Glenn dead? Or just fighting mice still? Lol
Would love some answers
Definitely could see him being the one who got hit
3 people maybe not 2 because how long does it take to get to incinerator? Unless shooter went straight there while other was cleaning🤔
3 what about 4 🤣 yeah there’s definitely a lot going on with this particular case this season
@@MovieFiles I just thought the incinerator is like 9 floors down and that could take 12 minutes just that part. Lol. Seems weird that they could leave the party and make an ending to their podcast in 12 minutes, right?? They just got emails from Bev Melon that night right??
1:38 so did they ask her who do you think on the movie may have? Why do you think this? It didn’t show if they did.
I still don't know who the killer is if there is even a killer. I do think this is a movie within a movie with a tv streaming show
My main suspects have been Tawny and Trina until now, and they have a PA. We understand that he had done errands for them, with the flyers, and for Howard.
List of shooting victims (only heard two):
1- Charles's new stunt double: They thought it was Charles? (The trailer shows them wearing the same photoshoot outfits when they visit his sister, Melissa McCarthy).
2-Tawny's absence on set is a diversion that makes her a suspect, but I won't be surprised if she is a victim.
3- The Twins' assistant knew too much about their whereabouts.
4- Marshall spent too much time with the Trio and probably met Sazz and Glen in WEHO, which inspired him to write about them.
5- Bev got too close with Mabel and offered future projects.
Someone is playing a long game; they want to silence them as a warning.
Note - Most scenes in the trailer were shown in the first 5 episodes.
I think Ben got shot, Marshall got discovered by Ben when he said “when did you get a beard?” But because of the rat illusions they disregard it. After seeing the murder board he makes Charles question himself that one person could do all that, after Marshall makes a comment. Once confirming hearing they now have top suspects, he shoots Ben who probably knows who he really is. They’ll think Oliver was the target, but that never miss line comes in handy.
Somebody definitely maybe dead next week which would be crazy to have another murder in the middle of the season
@@MovieFiles now that I think about it the strip at duddenoff apartment might be from an adhesive to copy the foot print and he or his accomplice left that there to frame them further.
@@AcesHiiighDAMN 👀
I noticed when bev shot the revolver its only fired 5 times arent they usually 6 shots? Possibly the real murder weapon🤷♂️
also is Bev really that clumsy with a gun
By the way, Charles is not evading taxes. He said he wants to pay the PROPER amount of American taxes. I think it's just Charles being Charles.
OK Republican
Just pay your taxes like an adult
Good observations, Elliot! I have to say these gun fakeouts are getting tiresome! Just like Bev was not going to shoot the trio, I doubt someone would just shoot someone at a photo shoot (ha! Pun intended).
They say that most victims are murdered by someone they know. Sazz knew Bev Melon but not closely, and I don’t think she knew the Brothers sister at all. If Sazz was the target, ANOTHER stuntperson was the culprit, definitely someone in Concussions, likely Glenn Stubbins! Someone who knows NY, and knows the Arconia. Like Bunny, Sazz’s last day consisted of visiting people and making plans that others may not have approved of. The fact that she visited Concussions, made a phone call about a potential problem, and was killed, can’t be a coincidence. I think she confronted someone about an incident. When Bev fired a gun she thought was a prop, I wondered if either Sazz was killed bc someone mistook a real gun for a fake one, or if a stunt person did the same and killed someone accidentally (a la Alec Baldwin). I think that moment will trigger (again, pun intended) some epiphany. My sister theorized that getting from one side of the building to the other via the roof could be done in 12 minutes, even with 2 people, something stunt people do all the time. Hmm
I think Loretta maybe Helga doing an Accent on the Radio like her Scottish one she tried to do in season 3 & I think she is the one in the photo crossed out with pigtails she is possibly Rudeys Ex & knows the Easties
And possibly thats why her & Sazz if she was undercover there so they had met before & follow on Instagrams 🤷♂️
Wasn't there a scene where the detective met the celebrities (Eva, Zach, Eugene) and she said something along the lines of dont let anything happen to him. So if they attempt to shoot Oliver and they moved him then there's a chance they could have shot Zach
The guy that the Brothers Sisters kept telling to take notes. No reason to include him if it wasn’t important. I think he was the one who moved the body & only one of the sisters were involved
#illusions. I love this show. Every episode I think I know ….. but by the end of the episode I change my mind!
Did anyone catch that the writer, Marshall, was confused for Sazz?
@@peterstaker3230 When did that happen?
@@MovieFiles sorry, my mistake. I rewatched that scene and Scottish Ben calls Marshall “Lassie”, thinking he’s Mabel. I thought he said “Sazzie”
The closed captioning shows it was Howard who said he got shot at the end
Appreciate you sharing that because my screener doesn’t come with cc
I think meryl streep took the role because she is dating martin short and I don't think she is involved in the murders
We never met Helga so we can't give good evough evidence she planned a murder or involved
i think it would’ve been really fun if that was the last season of omitb as we see the movie made, mabel creating (potentially) her own podcast, oliver finding love and charles confidence. seeing them all in their first season outfits would’ve been so fun if that was the last season as a full circle moment. maybe howard could’ve been the murder this season if it was the last? had fun with the episode nonetheless, and am looking forward to the next episode breakdown from you! greetings from germany :)
@@lisapfisterer7943 Your idea of the movie being made and a full circle moment would be amazing
They were greenlighted for a season 5 so we have another one coming!
maybe it was a pronoun thing, "they-them". i'm not sure, but i think the show is playing with us. i kinda think the same thing with loretta. i do not think it's the sisters, cause they are trying a twist type of stuff. i think there is an involvement from the stunt community as well. the writer might be in it too. we'll see...🧐
and also, great commentaries my friend. 👍
I thought the same thing.
@@Chellypop good, i'm not alone in this. 😁 i really wonder what's gonna happen with that writer as well. and with that lady vp.
i have a gut feeling it's Eva Longoria
👀
She can do no wrong😂😂
Could Bev be the mastermind for the murder? She doesn't want anyone messing with her movies so she promises roles/jobs for the actual murderer? Just a thought
I just think they’ve paid that card already last season
The writer and the twins are too obvious and i hope they are just red herrings, Molly Shannon keeps trying to distract Mabel from investigating so that's kinda sus. I still think Scott Bakula did it tho
If Oliver's old ass can make that run in 38 minutes, with obstacles, then surely someone more young and fit can do it 3 times faster. I still think Bakula did it
I noticed when bev shot the revolver its only fired 5 times arent they usually 6 shots? Possibly the real murder weapon🤷♂️
also is Bev really that clumsy with a gun