The "I'm watching you" note the trio get matches the note on Jan's door on Season 1. And of course that note's handwriting matched the one on Oliver's door when he discovered that Winnie had been poisoned. Maybe the poisoner was worried the trio would find out what happened to Dudenoff. So we have to ask ourselves who would want to murder a film professor. Someone he flunked perhaps? Having said that, my assumption was they would only reveal who poisoned Winnie in the final season and we know that Season 5 is in the works.
The first thing I did after watching this episode is go back to find that scene. It is even in the same font! Sidenote: The FBI/police had been tracking Sazz's phone, so surely they know the location of the killer now, right? lol
My favourite scene from this episode was Zach’s video message: “Then she pulled out my needle and slurped up my painkillers like a F*CKING CAPRI SUN!” 😂
@@lukacunningham342 and it just clicked for me today that when bev took that impromptu nap right after telling everyone to sign the papers it was prolly from her painkiller capri sun 😭
This is definitely a possibility especially since Marshall’s glasses are fake and he has like insane eyesight. If there’s another person involved I think it may be someone we’ve known for a while considering the message Jan got in Season 1 saying “I’m Watching You” is the same font as the message the trio were sent this latest episode.
I see two possibilities here: 1. The trio are on the right track. They’re the targets, and this case will connect back to all the loose ends from Season 1 (which I’d love). 2. The trio are on the entirely wrong track. Stunt people (at least Sazz and Glen) are the intended targets, in which case, I have no idea who the murderer is - though I’d love for it to be Marshall, just to see what Jin Ha (his actor) would do with that. (RUclips recommended a recording of his performance of “Wait For It” from Hamilton, and it blew me away! If you haven’t heard it, you should look it up.) And if this is the way we’re going, maybe Sazz and Dudenoff’s murders aren’t connected, and the isolated murder of Sazz and attempt on Glen will be solved, but we won’t get a clear answer on who’s “watching” the trio until next season. PS - I was gradually getting on board with the wild idea that Glen did not mistake Marshall for Mabel, but had seen him as a woman before (since he called him “lass”), especially after I learned Jin Ha has already played a role in his stage career that would fit with this quite nicely. (I was thinking maybe Marshall is or was a stuntman who doubled for women like Sazz doubled for men, which would connect to the “stolen script” theory.) But before mentioning the beard, Glen says when they walk up, “Ah, it’s my favorite trio!” So, I’ve officially gotten off that train. But I’m still rooting for Marshall to be a murderer. ☺️
I think the previous season gives us hints : Season 1 Bagels are mentioned a lot! 👇 Season 2 Poppy (a type of bagel, is the killers) Season 2 Parents are a theme 👇 Season 3 Mother and son killers Season 3 and season 4 have these in common : Twins/triplets Charles doppelgängers (multiple Charles look a likes are in the elevator in season 3) Pig (insult and animal) Fish (name and animal) Bathrooms : Charles get locks in bathroom flushes his friend a fish (3) Charles saves the fish from ‘assassination attempt’ by scooping him up in a container. Charles scoops Sazz’s ashes up into a container in a bathroom (4) Police want to ‘search Bathroom for clues’ after Jan escapes. Two Pigs found in bathrooms - one dead and one alive. Charles has Sazz ashes but sees her ‘alive’ in bathroom mirror. Maybe she was the one who was going to ‘squeal’ and Perhaps because she over heard something in a bathroom, just like Loretta figures that in season 3 Donna is sick.
It is weird we never hear from him again this episode, though. If he was the intended target, maybe he's not out of the woods yet. Someone should check on his whereabouts.
Part of me wonders if the triplet theory is true. Ben Glenroy. His double's name is Glen. I would love it if another Paul Rudd character popped with the name Roy. 😂
You mentioned how Vince's window was able to be opened?!!! The early episode wrote off everyone in the WHOLE West Wing except someone in the Dudeinoff studio, am I right or wrong on this? This made me think that if all the windows can be opened, everyone in the West Wing can be involved again. What makes me believe this even more is that the gang didn't even notice that the window was able to be opened making me think it wanted us to forget we were told they were painted shut.
Yes but it took a lot of effort by the brawny Xmas guy and before Mabel moved into next door wouldn't it just be easier for any of them to go there to use the window that opened easily... The tinsel will need to be examined further. Want to talk to Helga, figure out the tinsel, I think I know what it could be about, read letter to replace window Lester got, and get info back on the gun Bev had! Those are big details. Oh and ask Jan who she thinks sent her the I'm watching you note and who she thinks poisoned Winnie...
They specifically mention that Vince and Xmas guy had to pry the window open because all of the windows in the west tower were painted shut. That’s how they figured out where the shooting came from because the paint was already chipped away in only that apartment. Plus Vince has an alibi and was playing oh hell with the sauce family (although it could be revealed it was a cover up by the family or something because all of the westies have their secrets)
@@liluziintrovert Oh right, I forgot about that part, ok. thank you, also am I the only one wondering where the sauce family is, they have been unseen for a bit now, suspiciously to me at least.
@@LaterTonightshow oh I’m on the exact same boat, I have no idea where they’ve been. Like they had the one episode of them playing the card game and since then they’ve only really focused on Vince and Xmas guy
@@LaterTonightshow yes they are probably the ones cashing the checks at the Bodega. They know about Dudenoff's death while maybe Rudy and Vince don't know and are sad he is back and not talking to them. But I got the sense Vince knows about Dudenoff being dead or is very suspicious but Rudy is just sad. Also, that the picture scribbled out is supposed to be Helga but looks like Sazz in pigtails like when she was young and on the trampoline, she had pigtails. If not Sazz then someone really tall like her.
I think he was shot because the sister moved Oliver over and Glen wasn't supposed to be there so it's misdirection if I'm a show writer, but yeah I get why people think that Marshall is the bad guy and faking all the awe shucks, clumsy antics like a Mabel fan boy, jar jar Binks sith lord. Lol. Bev Melon is hardcore enough to drink pain meds and lie about it. She set up the shoot and mirrors. How do they even know what our Trio was wearing when they first met anyhow? It's a podcast😆 unless watching old cameras hidden in Arconia or something 🤔 and Bev was in Sazz's shack with a guN, presumably one Jan stole from guard in jail break I suppose. She is not good eyesight so if Sazz and Glen not targets, she is first on my list. Also, I think Jan might've had a hand in writing the script because she and Charles were flirting as she helped him Season 2 and might've written it then because "thumping brain" sounds a bit like they way they talked and played scrabble too. It's an odd term for a man to write and be so complimentary to Charles, unless it was Inez who wrote it because she would also like to Thump Charles . 😂😮🤔
I had mentioned in a comment last week that Glenn had probably seen Marshall and Sazz talking in the stunt bar, and Marshall didn't have the beard on at the time. Glenn revealing that would've let Marshall know his cover was blown, meaning he needed to take care of Glenn
As soon as the curtains flared in the student film, I thought it was the Arconia. The white brick you can see through the window looks just like it. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. 😅
They did mention that the broken glass sharfs from Charles window fell inside the house...and not outside...indicating that the bullet came into Charles apt thru the window
One thing that kinda stood out to me around episode 5 and even more in Episode 6 is that the killer clearly has access to now Mabel’s, Charles, and Oliver’s rooms. It should also be noted that with the same “I’m watching you font” that was sent to Jan’s room tells me we’re dealing with someone at least since Season 1 and also a connection to theater and can get into the trios room. There’s actually 2 people who fit the description. 1 is Howard but I don’t think it’s him since he with when the trio gets sent the I’m watching but it could theoretically be the coconspirator The 2nd is actually who I think is at least one of the killer is Lester the Doorman. There’s been reference to a serial killer since season 1 and he can apperantly just walk into all the rooms like we saw in episode 5 (if I’m correct) where he also mentions he was in broadway!!! It also alleviates the distraction needed to get by Lester that Charles notes in his reenactment of the crime in episode 5.
These two and the cranky neighbor who hates the cameras are more suspicious to me than the new characters from the building. I think it's Marshall + one of them (which eliminates Howard's alibi, btw)
Jan got into Charles apartment through the tunnels… could she have placed cameras for some reason? If she’s reportedly back in town, I assume we will see her again and get some new insights from her….
I have 2 theories: Sazz and Glen were the intended targets. The killer shot Glen but didn’t anticipate the metal plate. Both victims have been stuntmen so far, so we need to find the correlation as to why and why now. Here’s a possible theory: Sazz found out that Marshall stole her (or someone’s) script for the movie. She ended up mentioning at Concussions she knew something about the movie, so the killer took her out and is trying to take out anyone she might have told as well, which would be stuntmen. There was also that one man that walked past Howard’s camera during the emergency meeting, turned his face towards camera, and said “I’m sorry.” That same man then walked over to the table where Marshall was standing and Marshall glanced in his direction right before he stumbled over the table and knocked things over. I think Marshall recognized him in some way. Maybe a twin? It was a very quick background thing but Marshall left the room pretty quick after that. I also think Dudenoff has been dead for a while. Oliver mentioned a similar blackout in the past, which we now know was caused by the incinerator. I think it’s possible he died of natural causes. Murder or not, though, I think the Westies covered it up and cashed his checks to continue getting low rent apartments. Vince and Rudy seemed very surprised that Dudenoff could possibly be back in town. Theory 2: The Westies are working together because of their jealousy of the Brothers Sisters being favored by Dudenoff. After the reveal they were all in film school together, it made me start reevaluating the Westies as suspects. They claim they’re big fans of the trios podcast (when literally no one else in the building is). That could be to deflect suspicion. Vince Fish’s pink eye “hopped” eyes. Maybe he wasn’t a great actor in film school (per his own words) but maybe he had a gift for makeup and merely forgot which eye was supposed to have it. If the I’m watching you message does tie back into season 1, then the Westies would have been around back then, despite us not knowing them at the time.
These are legit the most well put theories I have seen this season. I personally feel that the first one has a better chance of being right- for some reason it sounds more plausible but also interesting enough that many don't figure out
Upon closer inspection, it looks like Marshall may have knocked over the papers purposefully even. The man that walked by the camera went and helped Marshall pick up the papers. A person on Reddit also responded to my theory and they said they believe that same person can be seen walking around the Concussions Bar. I have not rewatched the episode to confirm however
Ive been enjoying these episodes so much I've almost forgotten to try and solve any clues. Poor Loretta can never catch a break, they just write her to be suspicious through both seasons. The Brother sisters are on my list but I think are too obvious and a little to similar to Poppy's oddball character. Marshall is definitely worth looking at as well, from the tin foil hat theory as well as he could be the murderer with the motive being trying to make a story within the story (clue coming from the Sisters doing BTS filming).
My wife and I came up with Dudenoff wrote the script, and it was stolen - how Sazz knows? She knew Dudenoff due to the Bulgarian replacement hip part - either they knew each other from that or Dudenoff was a Stuntman - Pope is either a twin or working with the two at the West Side - however, it’s Jan that is watching the three in order to protect them - it’s not the Killer, it’s the hero Jan…
I like the idea Jan wrote the script or even Inez and that's why it is so nice to Charles and both want to "Thump" his brains out...lol. remember Jan and Charles were very flirty with words and he was getting help from her season 2 so maybe she wrote the script in season 2 while in jail and Sazz knew about it and also thought that a Charles was being watched and people didn't like him via ham radio so started snooping and joined Westies but like Helga said got too close... and that's the problem, can't make a movie written by a murderer among other things but how Marshall got it is a mystery still....
@@Shadow-mp9pp - we figured that Sazz either knew Dudenoff as a stunt person or through the Bulgarian hip replacement and knew he was writing a script based on the gang, he disappeared and the script surfaces and she knew it was stolen - that’s her secret she was going to tell Steve Martin
Haven’t finished the video yet, but i wanted to provide an educated guess as who the murker is. Prime suspect Marshal, secondary is the Producer Lady. Marshal should be obvious, constantly deflecting and “trying to help” by removing suspicion away from him. Also pretty sure that was his shoe print on the mat, as he literally stepped there right before the crew noticed. Also they forgot to remove the camera that Charles put Sazzs ashes in front of and I think that will come into play later. Thank you for your hard work covering this amazing show!!
Maybe....the film students were a voyeur crew and some helped the TRIO along the way, others just watched, one write the script and really has a thing for Charles, and one is murderous and capable of poisoning a dog...maybe Helga needs to be talked to ASAP and they need to confront Vince about the photo scribbled out and turn over tinsel to cops for testing...is it tape...does the tape show something important ?
Three theories of different types: 1. Likely Loretta was a student of Dudenoff instead of sazz or as well as Sazz. 2 I think pinning down when Dudenoff died (if he died) is important. The Brothers say 3 years without contact. Could have been more recent. Why did we think he was in Portugal - was that just the Westies or also Det. Williams? 3. Tin hat - I think Hammy Fay Baker has an "animal job" of unknown type but I'm not buying she is the shooter. Best episode of the season - thanks for a great recap
And I think you're right about 'taping'. Sazz knew the trio have been watched for some time and that is what got her killed. She knew that same mastermind is behind the movie.
I have been wondering about the bullet too. They found a casing in the Dudenhoff apartment, But there was no mention of finding a bullet in the incinerator - so is it in Charles apartment? Everyone is assuming the casing is from the killing shot, maybe it was a prop from a film. Like the tinsel left over from the open credits of the Brothers' film. Then the killer could have been in Charles apartment, shooting west. Maybe they were interrupted while hiding cameras - thinking everyone was down at Oliver's for the opening night after party.
greattt point, but then the bullet hole from the shot from the last episode leaves out pretty similar marks on the window to what was found in Charles's apartment so i am thinking, it is going to be a bullet hole if the production team puts in effort to make it similar. in that case, putting two and two together, like he theorized in the video, the bullet might have hit the window going through sazz. but how plausible it actually is in real life? some bullets are made to stay in the body and some might hit a bone and then might get stuck- so leaves us with another option of the killer especially taking it out but then that would not make any sense either.
WOW, was really cool to get mentioned at the end! I was like "No way" very fun to hear my theory mentioned. I love this show, When I went to NYC for the first time, My girlfriend and I made a stop by the Arconia cause we loved the show. thanks for the breakdowns, I look forward to them every week:)
My money's on Marshall and Vince (but that could change 20 times by the end of the next episode) Vince now fits the Lincoln/actor theory. We only saw his pinkeye after he left the room for a while, maybe he was doing something to make his eye swell so his story checks out? Vince could have killed Dudenoff (maybe he was jealous of the Brothers sisters) before taking out Sazz to cover his tracks? Maybe Marshall tailed Sazz to concussions where Glen saw him so he has to cover his tracks. We also know he has 20/10 vision so he could be our sniper while Vince cleans up. He's also getting way too involved in the investigation imo. Marshall's motive and reason for teaming up with Vince are still a mystery to me (maybe he's the one posing as Dudenoff, but that's a long shot) but I like how the rest of this could play out.
My theory is IF Sazz is alive, which I am doubting now, it would be to specifically lure the trio to look into Dudenoff’s death. Like how Sazz told Charles she had to tell him something important and she was brushed off, she decided to fake her death specifically to push the trio into the path of finding out about Dudenoff because they think they’re hunting down her murderer. Heck the shooting at Glen might’ve been her on purpose. Glen and Sazz were close, and he was ready to jump through a window for simply the chance at a gig, that if he was specifically shot in the head knowing he would survive it because of the plating. It’s weird for the shooter to go from shooting Sazz in the chest to going to headshots on a person
@@DoublePMedia I think she was talking about Dudenoff's murders as well - and that Marshall stole his script and killed him. Sazz suspected him and he + whoever he's working with (he's the 'nice' killer with the rug promo, probably) tried to get rid of her --- so she was the actual target all along. I also think Marshall shot Glenn because he recognized him in the other episode and made that beard comment, so he felt threatened.
Double P, I am sold with the Marshall theory since Glen recognized him (suggesting he's been on another set before). But I do believe Marshall is just a pawn in the killer(s) game. As for Dudenoff, the woman on the Ham radio pretty much hints that Sazz discovered he died (or murdered) and probably Dudenoff was killed by one(or more) of the Westies because of the rent thing. Plus they have this weird supply of ham. Here's the kicker, I think the next target is Mabel since the killer(s) tried shooting Charles (killing Sazz), and tried killing Oliver next (maybe?) which injured Glen and Zach, so I'm just following a pattern. P.S. I bet all our theories will be thrown out the window with another epic episode next week!
I agree Mabel is Next to be targeted but zi think the comment about Marshall looking like her is to set him up to get shot at instead of her since once he removed his beard and glasses he is her height and build and coloring with wide cheeks. Glen got confused so maybe the shooter is not good eye sight or has been using the bad quality cameras to shoot and is getting the wrong people because of that. Bad eyesight is maybe Bev Melon or Vince Fish. We all know she thought the twins were identical and wears glasses and was with a gun in Sazz's shack. Vince has the scribbled out picture. The Marshall thing is either they got really sloppy and didn't check his alibi or he isn't the guy and like Marshall they seek his help or he offers like how Howard and Eva did to get the sticky mats down. Marshall watched the shoe prints and yes he disappeared but was likely following the other sister and we are now pretty sure she didn't do it. So if the shooter has good eyes and wants stuntmen dead then it's probably Marshall and maybe Tim Konos relative who is in background all the time. Lol. OR it's mistaken identity and bad timing which Charles said Sazz got all the time and Sazz's in dark in room with bad camera got her shot and Oliver moving over just before shot that got Glen hit and next IS attempt on Mabel where I propose Marshall gets mistaken for her. If the stuntman Glen and Marshall stole the script and hate Charles, which Glen did hit him with a real bottle, then Marshall is cleaning up lose ends but didn't know Glen had a plate in his head and is probably about to make some big mistakes as time is running out. I think the LA script mystery is the side story and the Westies Arconia story is the main one but I used to think the opposite until this week. I think Dudenoff was NOT murdered but death was covered up by Inez and family and that's why Rudy Xmas was so sad to think Dudenoff was back and not visiting them. Next person to talk to us Helga and need police to ID tinsel and explain Bev's gun. I want to see Lester's note to fix window and when it got to him. The Charles adoring script could've been written by Jan during season 2, Sazz maybe, or Inez who would like to Thump Charles, if you know what I mean...lol. the fact zuma is a klepto, could've found Sazz's phone and likes to watch but not be watched could tie into the Im not your effing friend text and she was in Arconia when Jan got her note and Oliver got his and his dog got poisoned. She is not the killer though, but she could have the phone. If it's Bev, then we still think she could be Jan's Nemesis half sister and that's why she just has to do this movie...lots of possibilities still. Also I'm wondering if Sazz isn't Charles real sister and are we going to find out that Melissa McCarthy isn't and they were swapped at birth in a Desperate Housewives twist/ call back to Eva Longoria's daughter on the show. Now that would be funnier than the Fathers of the Bride moment! Id love that
If Sazz did write a script, perhaps she was doing it with the intention of raising money to fund her retirement school. I’m still very suspicious of Marshall. In this episode he furthered suspicions towards the Brothers Sisters and pointed Mabel in their direction. Also could it be possible that Dudenoff was murdered in the vacant apartment, the murderer saw a figure across the way in Charles’ apartment, assumed they saw the murder first hand, and did a second murder to silence who they thought was a witness?
I'm on the Vince is a red (pink) herring train for now... But it does make some sense for it to be 1 Hollywood person (Marshall) and one building person.
Mable’s arc this season is her being lost and trying to find her thing (I think Ittl be production podcasts it seems to be setting up) and by the end of the season she’ll have some sort of plan I think! Love Mable
My tin foil hat theory combines 2 you’ve talked about. What if Marshall stole the script, Sazz called Bev about it, trusting Bev and knowing Bev didn’t have a part in it, but then Bev confronted Marshall and told him about Sazz knowing it, and basically gave him a “deal with it and I’ll make the movie with your script”. I mean hey she blackmailed Zach into staying in the movie she’s a very “the show must go on” person, so who is to say she isn’t willing to look past some death for the movie to be made
I keep thinking it has to be someone who has been in the building for a long time. Who has a grudge against all three? Who can silently go about the building without anyone getting suspicious? I keep thinking about Uma. She wasn't happy that the cameras were being installed throughout the building. Could she be helping someone or did she see something? She was angry about Bunny getting killed and she can't take things without being caught. This was an excellent episode. I knew someone was watching them because Sazz's phone would also respond when they were asking questions about Sazz so they would think she was still alive. I believe Marshall is involved some how and the west wing people are too! Was Dudenoff filming people for years without them knowing and someone found out about it and killed him? So many questions... can't wait to find out the answers! Could Dudenoff be the father of Dickie? Funny how the police didn't notice the two left shoulder metal parts? So many questions!
Two things: 1) What if Dudenoff (not Sazz) wrote the screenplay? 2) The script stealing theory - while a good one - doesn't explain why the killer(s) seems to have such contempt for the trio, although that connection could be revealed later.
I’ve stayed at a place where the windows were painted shut. The fact that Vince and Rudy needed to pry the window open indicates to me that they were, motivated by their new drone to scrape the paint away and open the window.
I believe the Brothers Sisters footprint was on Dudenoff's apartment window, was because she was filming (the silver tape has to do with her super8 film camera) B-Roll for the upcoming film out the window, and she (perhaps unknowingly) filmed the murder happening. ("JUST KEEP FILMING" motive from last episode).
Throwing a random toilet thought out there; I like the ‘Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stole it’s except for Sazz not showing any interest in writing scripts too. But is there someone else that knows the trio that might write a script? What about Jan? It’s been a long time since I’ve seen season 1, but what if Jan wrote the script (it would be nice towards Charles because even though she said she wants to kill him, when we saw her this season, she still clearly showed she had some earnest feelings towards him). She then gives it to Sazz to look over, it gets stolen, Sazz goes detective. So it was Jams script that was stolen? Just a thought
Sazz's voice message to Bev specifically says there's a problem with the movie. So maybe Sazz, not Charles, was the intended victim. Sazz can stop the movie, or at least pause it. If Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stole it, then the loser would be Marshall, not Bev or the twins, who can still make the movie without Marshall. Likewise, Glenn was the intended victim, not Oliver. Glenn recognised Marshall without the fake beard. Charles assumed Glenn mistook Marshall for Mabel, but this is Charles's assumption, not fact. Maybe Glenn knows who Marshall really is, ie not a writer, or at least not a good one, as he hates doing rewrites and can only add the word "insecure" to them twice. As for Dudenoff, that may be a red herring, or simply not related to Sazz's murder. Sazz's murder is clearly connected to the movie.
@@DoublePMedia I think there's two parallel plotlines, one concerning Sazz's murder connected to the movie, and another plotline concerning Dudenoff and his disappearance. The latter may be the other murder, the cold murder case, that's been mentioned before. It could be connected to Jan receiving the "I'm watching you" note and the trio also being watched. It's the Moriarty theory, ie a supervillain in the shadows throughout the whole series. This would be an Arconia resident. The only Arconia residents we keep coming across, albeit briefly, are Howard, Uma and Lester. Could Uma be the Moriarty? She definitely didn't want the movie to be shot at the Arconia.
Sazz jokingly said she made a copy of all their apartment keys last season (the killer got access to them, placed the cameras in that apartment, and knows the Duneoff). Surprisingly, no one investigated the noise in episode 1. Tawny Brothers got the orange jumpsuit in the Rikers Auction (which likely belonged to Jan). Oliver has been using the fireplace since the Pilot episode (even though the whole building was told not to use it).
Yay! Been looking forward to your recap! My crazy tin foil hat theory has been that Marshall dressed up like Mabel at some point in the past to do something shady (to do with script, or a murder? Not sure what exactly) and Glen saw him. Hence why he said “oh lass you grew a beard” or whatever he said. Probably wrong, but what I keep thinking.
Hmm.. look back to Mabel's artist friend, Alice who had actors portraying Mabel. Also, when we saw the shooter in a midriff top and boots, Alice popped into mind
There doesn’t seem to be much of a reason to reintroduce Jan in this season … her having written the script might make sense, and then Sazz has a reason to know about it. I think Dudenoff is the other possible script author, but I think it ties him to this murder too neatly and I prefer to think his death is just a red herring to cast suspicion on the Westies.
my tin foil theory after the two left shoulders was "OMG DOUBLEPMEDIA IS RIGHT SAZZ IS ALIVE." then I wasn't sure after this week cuz they'd probably check the dna in the remains and shoulder like how they found out one of the shoulders was dudenoff's
I don't have theories i just have to say that this season is my favourite. A beloved victim died,it is really complex and it ties back to season one. It's really special to me, i can't wait to find out what happened. Also i hope Howard isn't involved or the next victim. It's nice to see him on my screen
I have an easy idea of how the "Stolen Script" theory could work. Have Dudenoff be the one who wrote the script. He and Sazz apparently know each other and she could have told him about Charles and the Only Murders crew. Then Marshall kills him for the script and put him in the incinerator. But afterward Sazz learned about the movie and recognized the script. To keep Sazz quiet he killed her too. Dundenoff is a film professor so it's now beyond the realm of reason to think he might also be a writer and we never learned when he died only the last time the Brother Sister's saw him. So he might have died more recently than we think especially with the fact his prosthetics were still in the incinerator.
Love everything about this, yet I have a question: If Dudenoff wrote the script, he had to have died after Jan was arrested in season 1... when did he die???
During the Detective scene, I had the bad feeling that she might be the murder victim for next season 😢 and then was really sad because I love the actress and the character.
Could Dudenoff have been killed by Jan? She was a serial killer looking for lonely men. He disappeared 3 years ago, when Tim Kono was also murdered and Charles almost murdered. Someone at the Arconia must have noticed these disappearances, someone on the Board, like Uma maybe? I'm excluding Howard because he's excited about the movie coming to the Arconia while Uma definitely doesn't want intrusions, be they the movie or the CCTV cameras.
It's very important to determine who was the target in the second assassination attempt, and I think your reasoning in the Glen section was correct: the mastermind shot him to tie up loose ends. So is old Glenny going to pull through in the hospital or will he die a second death just like his face? The other important question: when did the Brothers sisters plant the cameras in Charles' apartment? One would assume it was after the trio signed their life rights away, but what if it was before? If that was the case, Sazz's death and the person who tampered with the first crime scene might be caught on film!
@@DoublePMedia I have almost enough evidence to write a full theory, so I’ll get your attention if you’re interested in something longer than a RUclips comment. That aside, two deaths for Glen is diabolical, no? It’s like pottery, it rhymes. But say that hypothetically Glen doesn’t make it through the night. Who do we know went to visit the hospital at the same time as Glen?
Does anyone else feel like they could be stuck in a movie-within-movie-within a-tv-show situation? The wallpaper behind Charles at one point looks like a maze, and same with a shot of him facing the ceiling. Also, the brothers sisters said that the trio signed off on their rights for cameras being in their own spaces on the contract - could that mean that the whole movie crew is in on it? Truman-show style? Perhaps its the brainchild of Dudenoff himself...
WHY HAVEN'T THEY CHECKED THE SERIAL NUMBER of the replacement joints? I've been asking this question every episode and I can't believe that in this episode they went to the length of checking aerial number for one joint but not all. whyyy
Each of the Bros. Sister films correlates with the murder/motive/theme of each season of the show : BS Film 1: Pygmalion’s (My Fair Lady) Blood = Jan’s jealousy of always being second best to her sister (blood relative)/2nd bassoon seat in the orchestra hierarchy = Pygmalion Effect. The Pygmalion Effect is defined as the underlying idea is that when a leader, authority figure, or role model believes we can succeed in a certain area, we will work hard to meet their expectations. This also implies that we do better when more is expected of us. The Pygmalion effect demonstrates the power expectations have in shaping behavior. This effect occurs because we tend to internalize the labels others place upon us = Jan’s dangerous need to outlive the “2nd best” stigma she believed was placed on her career wise & in her sister’s shadow BS Film 2: The Song of the Ruptured Swan (play off of Black Swan film w/ Natalie Portman hence their costumes) Black Swan film synopsis says: The production requires a ballerina to play the innocent and fragile White Swan, for which the committed dancer Nina Sayers (Portman) is a perfect fit, as well as the dark and sensual Black Swan. Aronofsky conceived the premise by connecting his viewings of a production of Swan Lake with an unrealized screenplay about understudies and the notion of being haunted by a double = Becky Butler/Poppy being haunted by her double life. The director also considered Black Swan a companion piece to his film The Wrestler (2008), with both films revolving around demanding performances for different kinds of art = this ties into Season two’s subplot about art/Rose Cooper painting/Alice & her weird, reenactment performance art that disturbed Mabel BS Film 3: The Desecration of Alice - when the trio watches “The Desecration of Alice” film and discover Vince Fish has a role in the film, look at Vince’s face in the scene of the film. His character has multiple eyes on his face but at first it’s predominantly 3 eyeballs circling the center of his face then the other eyeballs fill in = Season 3’s Pickwick Triplets song & theme of Oliver’s Broadway play. Also in Desecration of Alice, we see the Bros. Sisters playing TWO sisters in the film = Season 3 heavily focused on Ben & Dicky brother dynamic and all the CoBro references *The fact that the episode highlights the Bros. Sisters first THREE films also adds to the list of the tons of “3’s” references
Well, if Dudenoff died in the apartment and the text foreshadows the mastermind plot…we can all agree it’s Howard right? And before you go “But Fake Dudenoff is somewhere else and Howard was there when Glen was shot, blablabla!” I want to answer that with: *accomplice?*
I don’t think Sazz is the person with the braids. In flashbacks of Sazz as Charles’ stunt double she has always had short hair - and the flashbacks cover decades.
There were glass shards inside the window frame so the gun was shot outside Charles' apartment, not inside. Unless the killer planted some glass shards inside.... 🤔
On my second watch of this episode I noticed that they specifically draw attention to the fact that Oliver has a VHS camcorder and that it malfunctions upon entering the production office. IED’s are often made using magnetic components, and VHS technology is particularly susceptible to interference from magnets…that plus the fact that the episode is titled “Blow Up” has me thinking that someone is trying to set off some type of 💥 device in the Arconia. It might potentially also explain the metallic strip they found in the Dudenoff apartment: could it be left over from putting together an explosive?
Love your videos/content! My mind has been going in so many different directions! One thing that I've considered is that maybe Cinda Canning is the mastermind behind a lot of this.... She's introduced to us in season one and has been in every season so far besides this one... The OMIB basically became her competition. Maybe she was trying to scare people in the building with the im watching you note... maybe she poisoned Oliver's dog... maybe she tried to shoot charles, hoping she could get mabel on board with her because she desperately wanted Mabel in season 3.... I think something separate is going on with Professor dudenoff that may not directly tie into sazz's death! I have no idea, just a crazy theory of mine!
Could Vince be a twin? It's a theme of the show, eye patch moves because only one of them actually needs it, and shouting 'visitors' to make sure the other resident of the apartment hides. Also, if Saz not dead - only need one killer as no longer a need to move the body.
I loved the ending to this episode. I think Sazz knew Dudenoff was murdered and was the cold case that was referenced in series 3. I think her message to Charles that was sensitive was her retirement and settling down too. Now everyone links together it appears as if the Westies are all former actors/extras. This would be plausible with why they’d accept Sazz as a stunt double. My wild theory is that this series is really about ‘who is the most important person for a film?’ Is it the producers, cameramen, actors/doubles or writers? The murderer would have their own view on their role - hence why Sazz was killed - it’s not the stunt double, Dudenoff was killed - not the cameraman/mentor figure. So that would leave for me either a famous actor (the name makes the show) or the writer (the script makes the show).
@nulltestchannelnulltestcha7252 That noise in Saz's apartment could have something falling down from a closet. I've had things fall in my closet so therefore I don't buy it's Hollywood people
I honestly love where this season is going!! Dudenoff being revealed then instantly killed off raises the stakes immensely. For me, it is clear now from the radio ham conversation back in EP4 that Sazz figured out Dudenoff got killed by someone in the building/Hollywood. The link between Dudenoff and Sazz is either the replacement joint (meaning he was also a stunt double before becoming a teacher), or she took his class at some point in time. Either way, when he disappeared Sazz probably freaked out and started searching for him and investigating. The reason for Dudenoff's murder is still unknown. But, I agree with most of you guys here. Marshall is the prime suspect and the theory that he stole Dudenoff's script seems to make A LOT of sense. In this case, I would understand the where and the why and the why now.. but the how is puzzling. How do you drag a westie to the east side kill him and essentially steal his identity without any of the tightly-knit westie neighbors suspecting anything for months/years? And if that's not the case, that would lead to an even bigger question: How do you kill somebody that originally lived on the west side of the Arconia, drag his body to the incinerator all the way to the east building without anyone noticing? How do you, a writer that's not from the building know that there's an incinerator chute in the Arconia?
Let's say Marshall went to the stunt bar to talk to Sazz about the script. Perhpas Sazz did rewrites on it. Was that the difficult relationship Sazz was talking about? Is that where Marshall met Glen? Was Glen shot because he could connect Marshall to Sazz? The two shoulder blades is suspicious. I am still not sure Sazz is dead. But since the FBI has confirmed her remains, I will accept. I don't see Glen cleaning up the murder scene. He could carry the body, only if it was zipped up and he did not know who was in it. I don't see him "willing" in a plot to kill Sazz. I stil fell Lincoln is a clue hinting to a larger conspiracy. We need 1 person to shoot, 1 person to clean up, 1 or 2 people to move the body.
I think Sazz is the mystery person in the photo with the Westies and she took his film course at some time in the past since she’s a stunt double and probably would have wanted to learn more about the movie filming process to help with her stunt acting. That would explain the Duddenoff connection and how Duddenoff would have gotten his joint replacements from 🇷🇴. Is it possible that Sazz went by a fake name when she was hanging with the Westies?
Hey Did anyone else find similarities between the notes from season 1 and Rudy's list on his abs? Especially the "E" and "M" On his abs, he has written E in 2 different styles just like how Winnie's poisoned note has 2 different E's... May be I'm stretching it too far but can be considered...
Rudy's been on my suspect list since ep3. With his athletic prowess, he's the only Westie that could pull off the hit & clean-up job alone in 11 mins. It's also not a far stretch that he could have been a stuntman after failing as an actor, and with Glen seeing rats, perhaps it is an ex-stunt person who is the killer.
Wouldn't the shot come first then the bullet exits window. That description sounds correct unless the audio doesn't say the figure was shot and that's the problem. So then audio is saying nobody was shot. So then are we to assume Saz wasn't shot??
Maybe I missed a discussion of this... sorry, if it has already been discussed and I am just coming in late. If Sazz left a voice mail message with Bev at 11:07pm, a fact that helped define the timeline... Wouldn't that message have a 3 hour time difference? Assuming Bev was in LA and Sazz was in NYC? If this has been discussed and dismissed, again I am sorry.
19:45 ...it could be the opposite. Remember that when the police arrived to investigate the kitchen area and window, it was determined that the glass fragments inside signaled that the shot came from outside. Maybe the shooter did shoot Sazz from Dudenoff's apartment, but killed Dudenoff to gain access from that vantage point.
I'm watching you sign and text messages tells me this killer is someone from the building. Not sure who, what why and why now. Jan and Saz were lovers and she helped her escape. Maybe she has Saz's phone. Maybe that chiropractor where Saz last took a photo where she may have left the phone in her office and she's doing all the texting.
The I'm watching you note from this season is a call back to an earlier season, but some of the letters are written differently. If they are concerned that Mable is the next target, I think that means that Eva Longoria may be in danger. Seems like the doubles end up getting hurt.
I don't know anymore, man. Every video, I write my long-winded thoughts, but it all feels so pointless. I like the theory that the Westies are covering up Dudenoff's death. Not that they murdered him, but they hid his body away in the incinerator so they wouldn't lose their rent-control deal (or whatever). So I think that's meant as a distraction and they are not the real murderer of Sazz. However, I still find it WAY too coincidental that there are two left shoulder joints found in one incinerator. I mean, what are the chances of that? The show is really asking us to suspend disbelief, unless there's some other conspiracy I'm missing. Okay, if Glen was the intended target, then who was the shooter? I still think it's Mr. 20/10 vision, Marshall. He seemed way too jumpy this episode. And although I don't want it to be another "producers" reveal, it does seem as if Bev is complicit somehow. Maybe she's the one calling the shots. So why was Glen targeted? Because he recognized Marshall/Lassie? Following from last week's popular theory, did Marshall steal Sazz's script and Sazz needed to be silenced or else the movie would be shut down? I guess the most interesting thing to consider is the "I am watching you" message that they all receive, which harkens back to season 1. Is this our Moriarty showing their hand? Does it tie back in with Vince and Rudy trying to cover up Dudenoff's body and not wanting the murder podcast crew to sniff around the building? That would be very interesting if all these seeds were planted from the very beginning.
I am not convinced that the woman in the Westie group picture is Sazz. It would make sense for her to have connections with the Westies, given the information she had compiled before her death, the detail of the pig tails bothers me. In the 3 years we've seen Sazz on the show, she has always had short hair, which helps when she is doubling for men. Even though the Westie picture looks like it was taken long before the season starts, it seems odd that she would grow out her hair. I suppose she could have worn a wig to be undercover, but you would think no one on that side of the Arconia would know her, because she doesn't actually live there. Not dressing as Charles would be enough of a disguise, honestly.
@@DoublePMedia We have seen Loretta wear her hair in pigtails! That would be a real left field reveal. We haven't seen Helga yet, but since the person in the picture is holding the pig, and when Helga was talking to the main characters on the Ham radio, she was very concerned about the pig, so that would make the most sense, but might end up being a red herring. I can't remember which Westie had the picture of the whole group, with the woman's face crossed out. If it was Rudy, it may be just a red herring.
I think honestly Marshall is a fitting killer for a Meta reason. I believe in the last season they made a joke saying it couldn’t be Loretta because “oh yeah female killer 3 seasons in a row get some new material” and last season the killers were both a woman and a man, I feel like after they made they joke it would be weird to make the killers this episode a woman again
I think the show wanted to show us something when the guy crashed into Howard, because why would they show that! And then show us that guy helping marshal, and they look alike ! So idk with the twin thing I think it is important. And it’s also the only time in this episode that someone crashes into the film !
Why hasn’t Charles asked Fish who the person scratched out in the picture is? He and Eugene Levy seemed suspicious of it but have never asked? Why didn’t they ask when in the apartment asking about his being in the Brother Sisters film?
I have absolutely no clue how that would fit into the overall story but: it almost feels like Vince Fish may have a twin? Episode 6 makes it seem like the Vince we saw was not on the same page with the character we saw in previous episodes - eye patch on the other eye with a bit of a comical excuse for it, wanting to try opening the windows despite what was said previously... I don't know, it's... fishy. It may also not be a coincidence that we're shown these inconsistencies in the episode about twins, and it does look like Sazz' murder was a 2 people job.
I also use the audio description and want to acknowledge the comment from the blind viewer. They also are still describing gravy actions. He did a shake in reaction to the box of remains.
It appears Sazz & Glen may be the targets of our shooter. But besides being stunt performers, they had one other thing in common, they were both hated by Rex Bailey! Perhaps the mastermind or killer is someone who is a close friend, or a relative of Rex.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS - DID THE “I’M WATCHING YOU” MESSAGE CALL BACK TO SEASON ONE?
The "I'm watching you" note the trio get matches the note on Jan's door on Season 1. And of course that note's handwriting matched the one on Oliver's door when he discovered that Winnie had been poisoned. Maybe the poisoner was worried the trio would find out what happened to Dudenoff. So we have to ask ourselves who would want to murder a film professor. Someone he flunked perhaps? Having said that, my assumption was they would only reveal who poisoned Winnie in the final season and we know that Season 5 is in the works.
most definitely
The first thing I did after watching this episode is go back to find that scene. It is even in the same font!
Sidenote: The FBI/police had been tracking Sazz's phone, so surely they know the location of the killer now, right? lol
It definitely matches but then there's no dashes/lines on the captial I as it was in season one, so there's that.
the handwriring is different, look at the 'I", 'G' and 'A'
My favourite scene from this episode was Zach’s video message: “Then she pulled out my needle and slurped up my painkillers like a F*CKING CAPRI SUN!” 😂
@@lukacunningham342 and it just clicked for me today that when bev took that impromptu nap right after telling everyone to sign the papers it was prolly from her painkiller capri sun 😭
@@trippiehippietay it definitely was
So good! Had too many Capri Sun's when I was a kid!
@@trippiehippietay I figured that much too, I even said to myself “I’m pretty sure you shouldn’t drink that”
@@lukacunningham342 😂😂
What if Dudenoff wrote the script and Marshall stole it? He killed Dudenoff, and that's what Sazz knew and why they tried to silence her.
They = Marshall and... whoever is working with him. It's probably two people, imo.
Your brain might be huge…🤔
He wasn’t a writer
This is definitely a possibility especially since Marshall’s glasses are fake and he has like insane eyesight. If there’s another person involved I think it may be someone we’ve known for a while considering the message Jan got in Season 1 saying “I’m Watching You” is the same font as the message the trio were sent this latest episode.
@@adanganaafan2811 Totally! Has to be someone from the building imo, whether it's one of the westies, Howard or the cranky neighbor...
I see two possibilities here:
1. The trio are on the right track. They’re the targets, and this case will connect back to all the loose ends from Season 1 (which I’d love).
2. The trio are on the entirely wrong track. Stunt people (at least Sazz and Glen) are the intended targets, in which case, I have no idea who the murderer is - though I’d love for it to be Marshall, just to see what Jin Ha (his actor) would do with that. (RUclips recommended a recording of his performance of “Wait For It” from Hamilton, and it blew me away! If you haven’t heard it, you should look it up.)
And if this is the way we’re going, maybe Sazz and Dudenoff’s murders aren’t connected, and the isolated murder of Sazz and attempt on Glen will be solved, but we won’t get a clear answer on who’s “watching” the trio until next season.
PS - I was gradually getting on board with the wild idea that Glen did not mistake Marshall for Mabel, but had seen him as a woman before (since he called him “lass”), especially after I learned Jin Ha has already played a role in his stage career that would fit with this quite nicely. (I was thinking maybe Marshall is or was a stuntman who doubled for women like Sazz doubled for men, which would connect to the “stolen script” theory.) But before mentioning the beard, Glen says when they walk up, “Ah, it’s my favorite trio!” So, I’ve officially gotten off that train. But I’m still rooting for Marshall to be a murderer. ☺️
I think the previous season gives us hints :
Season 1
Bagels are mentioned a lot!
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Season 2
Poppy (a type of bagel, is the killers)
Season 2
Parents are a theme
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Season 3
Mother and son killers
Season 3 and season 4 have these in common :
Twins/triplets
Charles doppelgängers (multiple Charles look a likes are in the elevator in season 3)
Pig (insult and animal)
Fish (name and animal)
Bathrooms :
Charles get locks in bathroom flushes his friend a fish (3)
Charles saves the fish from ‘assassination attempt’ by scooping him up in a container.
Charles scoops Sazz’s ashes up into a container in a bathroom (4)
Police want to ‘search Bathroom for clues’ after Jan escapes.
Two Pigs found in bathrooms
- one dead and one alive.
Charles has Sazz ashes but sees her ‘alive’ in bathroom mirror. Maybe she was the one who was going to ‘squeal’ and Perhaps because she over heard something in a bathroom, just like Loretta figures that in season 3
Donna is sick.
Paul Rudd has died 3 times in this show now. Got to be a record
Can't keep CoBro down :)
I mean he isn’t dead I don’t believe, they said it bounced off his metal plating and struck Zach so I think he survived it
It is weird we never hear from him again this episode, though. If he was the intended target, maybe he's not out of the woods yet. Someone should check on his whereabouts.
Vince is very sus. I think at least one guilty person has to be among those Westies.
I think you meant that he acted as a victim in the 3 death scene. He only died once.
Can I just say that it BLOWS MY MIND that you don't have a bazillion subscribers? How is that even possible. LOVE your let's solve videos!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Wow the in depth analysis of the credits and the old movies mentioned YAAAAS slayyyy
Thanks. Trying to no spoil the old movies, but interesting things in these films.
Part of me wonders if the triplet theory is true. Ben Glenroy. His double's name is Glen. I would love it if another Paul Rudd character popped with the name Roy. 😂
That would be hillarious!
You mentioned how Vince's window was able to be opened?!!! The early episode wrote off everyone in the WHOLE West Wing except someone in the Dudeinoff studio, am I right or wrong on this? This made me think that if all the windows can be opened, everyone in the West Wing can be involved again. What makes me believe this even more is that the gang didn't even notice that the window was able to be opened making me think it wanted us to forget we were told they were painted shut.
Yes but it took a lot of effort by the brawny Xmas guy and before Mabel moved into next door wouldn't it just be easier for any of them to go there to use the window that opened easily... The tinsel will need to be examined further. Want to talk to Helga, figure out the tinsel, I think I know what it could be about, read letter to replace window Lester got, and get info back on the gun Bev had! Those are big details. Oh and ask Jan who she thinks sent her the I'm watching you note and who she thinks poisoned Winnie...
They specifically mention that Vince and Xmas guy had to pry the window open because all of the windows in the west tower were painted shut. That’s how they figured out where the shooting came from because the paint was already chipped away in only that apartment. Plus Vince has an alibi and was playing oh hell with the sauce family (although it could be revealed it was a cover up by the family or something because all of the westies have their secrets)
@@liluziintrovert Oh right, I forgot about that part, ok. thank you, also am I the only one wondering where the sauce family is, they have been unseen for a bit now, suspiciously to me at least.
@@LaterTonightshow oh I’m on the exact same boat, I have no idea where they’ve been. Like they had the one episode of them playing the card game and since then they’ve only really focused on Vince and Xmas guy
@@LaterTonightshow yes they are probably the ones cashing the checks at the Bodega. They know about Dudenoff's death while maybe Rudy and Vince don't know and are sad he is back and not talking to them. But I got the sense Vince knows about Dudenoff being dead or is very suspicious but Rudy is just sad. Also, that the picture scribbled out is supposed to be Helga but looks like Sazz in pigtails like when she was young and on the trampoline, she had pigtails. If not Sazz then someone really tall like her.
The writer shot Paul Rudd because he recognized him before the beard!
I think he was shot because the sister moved Oliver over and Glen wasn't supposed to be there so it's misdirection if I'm a show writer, but yeah I get why people think that Marshall is the bad guy and faking all the awe shucks, clumsy antics like a Mabel fan boy, jar jar Binks sith lord. Lol. Bev Melon is hardcore enough to drink pain meds and lie about it. She set up the shoot and mirrors. How do they even know what our Trio was wearing when they first met anyhow? It's a podcast😆 unless watching old cameras hidden in Arconia or something 🤔 and Bev was in Sazz's shack with a guN, presumably one Jan stole from guard in jail break I suppose. She is not good eyesight so if Sazz and Glen not targets, she is first on my list. Also, I think Jan might've had a hand in writing the script because she and Charles were flirting as she helped him Season 2 and might've written it then because "thumping brain" sounds a bit like they way they talked and played scrabble too. It's an odd term for a man to write and be so complimentary to Charles, unless it was Inez who wrote it because she would also like to Thump Charles . 😂😮🤔
Sounds extremely possible
I had mentioned in a comment last week that Glenn had probably seen Marshall and Sazz talking in the stunt bar, and Marshall didn't have the beard on at the time. Glenn revealing that would've let Marshall know his cover was blown, meaning he needed to take care of Glenn
Smart idea
I already said somewhere else that Rudd called them the trio so it was mistaken identity from brain damage probably
Vince Fish & Christmas Guy: watching the trio.. They bought that drone with the dudenoff cash.. Christmas Guy is jealous of Brother Sisters as well
Finally, entertainment presents us with an evil Rudy!
@DoublePMedia I Want to Play More Bad Guys’: Kumail Nanjiani. Maybe he got his wish this time.
As soon as the curtains flared in the student film, I thought it was the Arconia. The white brick you can see through the window looks just like it. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. 😅
It may also explain why the apartment is so sparse. It was used as a "studio" for his students' films.
YES! I thought the reason why the appliances were so old was to help with filming an old, creepy film!
I love the theory that the bullet didn’t necessarily go through the window, but that saz was shot in charle’s apartment
It's cool, right. The belief is that the gun will be the one that Bev had at the beginning of episode 5.
The police/investigators would be sble to determine whether the bullet came in or out of Charles’ apartment.
They did mention that the broken glass sharfs from Charles window fell inside the house...and not outside...indicating that the bullet came into Charles apt thru the window
One thing that kinda stood out to me around episode 5 and even more in Episode 6 is that the killer clearly has access to now Mabel’s, Charles, and Oliver’s rooms. It should also be noted that with the same “I’m watching you font” that was sent to Jan’s room tells me we’re dealing with someone at least since Season 1 and also a connection to theater and can get into the trios room. There’s actually 2 people who fit the description.
1 is Howard but I don’t think it’s him since he with when the trio gets sent the I’m watching but it could theoretically be the coconspirator
The 2nd is actually who I think is at least one of the killer is Lester the Doorman. There’s been reference to a serial killer since season 1 and he can apperantly just walk into all the rooms like we saw in episode 5 (if I’m correct) where he also mentions he was in broadway!!! It also alleviates the distraction needed to get by Lester that Charles notes in his reenactment of the crime in episode 5.
These two and the cranky neighbor who hates the cameras are more suspicious to me than the new characters from the building. I think it's Marshall + one of them (which eliminates Howard's alibi, btw)
Jan got into Charles apartment through the tunnels… could she have placed cameras for some reason? If she’s reportedly back in town, I assume we will see her again and get some new insights from her….
I have 2 theories:
Sazz and Glen were the intended targets. The killer shot Glen but didn’t anticipate the metal plate. Both victims have been stuntmen so far, so we need to find the correlation as to why and why now.
Here’s a possible theory: Sazz found out that Marshall stole her (or someone’s) script for the movie. She ended up mentioning at Concussions she knew something about the movie, so the killer took her out and is trying to take out anyone she might have told as well, which would be stuntmen.
There was also that one man that walked past Howard’s camera during the emergency meeting, turned his face towards camera, and said “I’m sorry.” That same man then walked over to the table where Marshall was standing and Marshall glanced in his direction right before he stumbled over the table and knocked things over. I think Marshall recognized him in some way. Maybe a twin? It was a very quick background thing but Marshall left the room pretty quick after that.
I also think Dudenoff has been dead for a while. Oliver mentioned a similar blackout in the past, which we now know was caused by the incinerator. I think it’s possible he died of natural causes. Murder or not, though, I think the Westies covered it up and cashed his checks to continue getting low rent apartments. Vince and Rudy seemed very surprised that Dudenoff could possibly be back in town.
Theory 2: The Westies are working together because of their jealousy of the Brothers Sisters being favored by Dudenoff. After the reveal they were all in film school together, it made me start reevaluating the Westies as suspects. They claim they’re big fans of the trios podcast (when literally no one else in the building is). That could be to deflect suspicion. Vince Fish’s pink eye “hopped” eyes. Maybe he wasn’t a great actor in film school (per his own words) but maybe he had a gift for makeup and merely forgot which eye was supposed to have it.
If the I’m watching you message does tie back into season 1, then the Westies would have been around back then, despite us not knowing them at the time.
Brandon, 1 of those 2 theories has to be it-- and I think the show has done a good job making either theory 'work'
These are legit the most well put theories I have seen this season. I personally feel that the first one has a better chance of being right- for some reason it sounds more plausible but also interesting enough that many don't figure out
I’m also in the idea that the stuntmen are the targets - not the actors - it’s been that way since episode 4 -
Upon closer inspection, it looks like Marshall may have knocked over the papers purposefully even. The man that walked by the camera went and helped Marshall pick up the papers. A person on Reddit also responded to my theory and they said they believe that same person can be seen walking around the Concussions Bar. I have not rewatched the episode to confirm however
Ive been enjoying these episodes so much I've almost forgotten to try and solve any clues. Poor Loretta can never catch a break, they just write her to be suspicious through both seasons. The Brother sisters are on my list but I think are too obvious and a little to similar to Poppy's oddball character. Marshall is definitely worth looking at as well, from the tin foil hat theory as well as he could be the murderer with the motive being trying to make a story within the story (clue coming from the Sisters doing BTS filming).
I've been laughing so much - my notes are a mess :)
When Oliver said, "they never shoot the right person" I was cracking up.
So good!
My wife and I came up with Dudenoff wrote the script, and it was stolen - how Sazz knows? She knew Dudenoff due to the Bulgarian replacement hip part - either they knew each other from that or Dudenoff was a Stuntman - Pope is either a twin or working with the two at the West Side - however, it’s Jan that is watching the three in order to protect them - it’s not the Killer, it’s the hero Jan…
Smart! I like the idea that the Bulgarian replacement joint community talk! Good work!
I like the idea Jan wrote the script or even Inez and that's why it is so nice to Charles and both want to "Thump" his brains out...lol. remember Jan and Charles were very flirty with words and he was getting help from her season 2 so maybe she wrote the script in season 2 while in jail and Sazz knew about it and also thought that a Charles was being watched and people didn't like him via ham radio so started snooping and joined Westies but like Helga said got too close... and that's the problem, can't make a movie written by a murderer among other things but how Marshall got it is a mystery still....
The first part is confusing me did u and ur wife write the actual script and it was stolen or was it a line in the show
@@Shadow-mp9pp - we figured that Sazz either knew Dudenoff as a stunt person or through the Bulgarian hip replacement and knew he was writing a script based on the gang, he disappeared and the script surfaces and she knew it was stolen - that’s her secret she was going to tell Steve Martin
@@DoublePMedia or they had some shoulder doctor or Dr. Maggie even
Haven’t finished the video yet, but i wanted to provide an educated guess as who the murker is. Prime suspect Marshal, secondary is the Producer Lady. Marshal should be obvious, constantly deflecting and “trying to help” by removing suspicion away from him. Also pretty sure that was his shoe print on the mat, as he literally stepped there right before the crew noticed.
Also they forgot to remove the camera that Charles put Sazzs ashes in front of and I think that will come into play later.
Thank you for your hard work covering this amazing show!!
Thank you! I agree with your prime suspect
I think so too. He is also using fake beard, so maybe has a twin as well? As in one Marshal played by 2 people. I think Saz knew.
Did Vince write "I'm Watching You" to Jan? Did Rudy write "End this podcast" and poison Winnie???
Maybe....the film students were a voyeur crew and some helped the TRIO along the way, others just watched, one write the script and really has a thing for Charles, and one is murderous and capable of poisoning a dog...maybe Helga needs to be talked to ASAP and they need to confront Vince about the photo scribbled out and turn over tinsel to cops for testing...is it tape...does the tape show something important ?
Howard's handwriting (in the Monthly Arconia Board Meeting) resembles that one on Rudy's abs.
@@Carlitty lol
@@Carlitty talk about naughty list. Wonder what Jonathan's doing now Howard?
@@amandachilds5290 Since de play was cancelled, Jonathan must be singing somewhere else.
Three theories of different types:
1. Likely Loretta was a student of Dudenoff instead of sazz or as well as Sazz.
2 I think pinning down when Dudenoff died (if he died) is important. The Brothers say 3 years without contact. Could have been more recent. Why did we think he was in Portugal - was that just the Westies or also Det. Williams?
3. Tin hat - I think Hammy Fay Baker has an "animal job" of unknown type but I'm not buying she is the shooter.
Best episode of the season - thanks for a great recap
Thank you for 3 theory types!
Ahem!!! 😠 Hammy Fay would NEVER!!
And I think you're right about 'taping'. Sazz knew the trio have been watched for some time and that is what got her killed. She knew that same mastermind is behind the movie.
In my mind Jan never left NY. She's hiding out in the tunnels.
I have been wondering about the bullet too. They found a casing in the Dudenhoff apartment, But there was no mention of finding a bullet in the incinerator - so is it in Charles apartment? Everyone is assuming the casing is from the killing shot, maybe it was a prop from a film. Like the tinsel left over from the open credits of the Brothers' film. Then the killer could have been in Charles apartment, shooting west. Maybe they were interrupted while hiding cameras - thinking everyone was down at Oliver's for the opening night after party.
greattt point, but then the bullet hole from the shot from the last episode leaves out pretty similar marks on the window to what was found in Charles's apartment so i am thinking, it is going to be a bullet hole if the production team puts in effort to make it similar. in that case, putting two and two together, like he theorized in the video, the bullet might have hit the window going through sazz. but how plausible it actually is in real life? some bullets are made to stay in the body and some might hit a bone and then might get stuck- so leaves us with another option of the killer especially taking it out but then that would not make any sense either.
WOW, was really cool to get mentioned at the end! I was like "No way" very fun to hear my theory mentioned. I love this show, When I went to NYC for the first time, My girlfriend and I made a stop by the Arconia cause we loved the show. thanks for the breakdowns, I look forward to them every week:)
Thank you! Keep those great theories coming!
Wow , Quadrophenia is one of my favourite movies and soundtracks , thanks for slipping the little reference in . 😮
I really like Quadrophenia too
My money's on Marshall and Vince (but that could change 20 times by the end of the next episode)
Vince now fits the Lincoln/actor theory. We only saw his pinkeye after he left the room for a while, maybe he was doing something to make his eye swell so his story checks out? Vince could have killed Dudenoff (maybe he was jealous of the Brothers sisters) before taking out Sazz to cover his tracks?
Maybe Marshall tailed Sazz to concussions where Glen saw him so he has to cover his tracks. We also know he has 20/10 vision so he could be our sniper while Vince cleans up. He's also getting way too involved in the investigation imo.
Marshall's motive and reason for teaming up with Vince are still a mystery to me (maybe he's the one posing as Dudenoff, but that's a long shot) but I like how the rest of this could play out.
100%
I was/will talk about that Vince make-up/fake pink eye talk in the next video.
Uma has been showing up in some curious places. Still looking for the Gut Milk security guard.
At this point, I'm going to assume that Ursula took the Gut Milk $$$ and moved to Florida :)
Not sure if this is a clue, but the poster for BlowUp was in the writer's apartment at the start of episode 5.
Good point, Alexis! Marshall looks almost too sus - do you suspect him?
My theory is IF Sazz is alive, which I am doubting now, it would be to specifically lure the trio to look into Dudenoff’s death. Like how Sazz told Charles she had to tell him something important and she was brushed off, she decided to fake her death specifically to push the trio into the path of finding out about Dudenoff because they think they’re hunting down her murderer. Heck the shooting at Glen might’ve been her on purpose. Glen and Sazz were close, and he was ready to jump through a window for simply the chance at a gig, that if he was specifically shot in the head knowing he would survive it because of the plating. It’s weird for the shooter to go from shooting Sazz in the chest to going to headshots on a person
Sazz did say she had "a cold case for them"
@@DoublePMedia I think she was talking about Dudenoff's murders as well - and that Marshall stole his script and killed him. Sazz suspected him and he + whoever he's working with (he's the 'nice' killer with the rug promo, probably) tried to get rid of her --- so she was the actual target all along. I also think Marshall shot Glenn because he recognized him in the other episode and made that beard comment, so he felt threatened.
Ok, who has her phone?!!
Double P, I am sold with the Marshall theory since Glen recognized him (suggesting he's been on another set before). But I do believe Marshall is just a pawn in the killer(s) game.
As for Dudenoff, the woman on the Ham radio pretty much hints that Sazz discovered he died (or murdered) and probably Dudenoff was killed by one(or more) of the Westies because of the rent thing. Plus they have this weird supply of ham.
Here's the kicker, I think the next target is Mabel since the killer(s) tried shooting Charles (killing Sazz), and tried killing Oliver next (maybe?) which injured Glen and Zach, so I'm just following a pattern.
P.S. I bet all our theories will be thrown out the window with another epic episode next week!
Glen recognizing Marshall seems to be 'it'. Who would be his partner?
I agree Mabel is Next to be targeted but zi think the comment about Marshall looking like her is to set him up to get shot at instead of her since once he removed his beard and glasses he is her height and build and coloring with wide cheeks. Glen got confused so maybe the shooter is not good eye sight or has been using the bad quality cameras to shoot and is getting the wrong people because of that. Bad eyesight is maybe Bev Melon or Vince Fish. We all know she thought the twins were identical and wears glasses and was with a gun in Sazz's shack. Vince has the scribbled out picture. The Marshall thing is either they got really sloppy and didn't check his alibi or he isn't the guy and like Marshall they seek his help or he offers like how Howard and Eva did to get the sticky mats down. Marshall watched the shoe prints and yes he disappeared but was likely following the other sister and we are now pretty sure she didn't do it. So if the shooter has good eyes and wants stuntmen dead then it's probably Marshall and maybe Tim Konos relative who is in background all the time. Lol. OR it's mistaken identity and bad timing which Charles said Sazz got all the time and Sazz's in dark in room with bad camera got her shot and Oliver moving over just before shot that got Glen hit and next IS attempt on Mabel where I propose Marshall gets mistaken for her. If the stuntman Glen and Marshall stole the script and hate Charles, which Glen did hit him with a real bottle, then Marshall is cleaning up lose ends but didn't know Glen had a plate in his head and is probably about to make some big mistakes as time is running out. I think the LA script mystery is the side story and the Westies Arconia story is the main one but I used to think the opposite until this week. I think Dudenoff was NOT murdered but death was covered up by Inez and family and that's why Rudy Xmas was so sad to think Dudenoff was back and not visiting them. Next person to talk to us Helga and need police to ID tinsel and explain Bev's gun. I want to see Lester's note to fix window and when it got to him. The Charles adoring script could've been written by Jan during season 2, Sazz maybe, or Inez who would like to Thump Charles, if you know what I mean...lol. the fact zuma is a klepto, could've found Sazz's phone and likes to watch but not be watched could tie into the Im not your effing friend text and she was in Arconia when Jan got her note and Oliver got his and his dog got poisoned. She is not the killer though, but she could have the phone. If it's Bev, then we still think she could be Jan's Nemesis half sister and that's why she just has to do this movie...lots of possibilities still. Also I'm wondering if Sazz isn't Charles real sister and are we going to find out that Melissa McCarthy isn't and they were swapped at birth in a Desperate Housewives twist/ call back to Eva Longoria's daughter on the show. Now that would be funnier than the Fathers of the Bride moment! Id love that
The way you pronounce “Bodega” is hilarious. Great review.
As a kid, I remember the Beastie Boys' MCA pronouncing it "Bah-go-da" and I've heard others pronounce it "Bah-day-ga" -- How should one pronounce it?
If Sazz did write a script, perhaps she was doing it with the intention of raising money to fund her retirement school.
I’m still very suspicious of Marshall. In this episode he furthered suspicions towards the Brothers Sisters and pointed Mabel in their direction.
Also could it be possible that Dudenoff was murdered in the vacant apartment, the murderer saw a figure across the way in Charles’ apartment, assumed they saw the murder first hand, and did a second murder to silence who they thought was a witness?
I agree with you: All eyes must be on Marshall!
I'm on the Vince is a red (pink) herring train for now... But it does make some sense for it to be 1 Hollywood person (Marshall) and one building person.
Mable’s arc this season is her being lost and trying to find her thing (I think Ittl be production podcasts it seems to be setting up) and by the end of the season she’ll have some sort of plan I think! Love Mable
Good to hear -- will Howard's Animal Jobs be on the Bloody Mabel podcast network?
My tin foil hat theory combines 2 you’ve talked about. What if Marshall stole the script, Sazz called Bev about it, trusting Bev and knowing Bev didn’t have a part in it, but then Bev confronted Marshall and told him about Sazz knowing it, and basically gave him a “deal with it and I’ll make the movie with your script”. I mean hey she blackmailed Zach into staying in the movie she’s a very “the show must go on” person, so who is to say she isn’t willing to look past some death for the movie to be made
Like Bev and Marshall as a pair
I keep thinking it has to be someone who has been in the building for a long time. Who has a grudge against all three? Who can silently go about the building without anyone getting suspicious? I keep thinking about Uma. She wasn't happy that the cameras were being installed throughout the building. Could she be helping someone or did she see something? She was angry about Bunny getting killed and she can't take things without being caught. This was an excellent episode. I knew someone was watching them because Sazz's phone would also respond when they were asking questions about Sazz so they would think she was still alive. I believe Marshall is involved some how and the west wing people are too! Was Dudenoff filming people for years without them knowing and someone found out about it and killed him? So many questions... can't wait to find out the answers!
Could Dudenoff be the father of Dickie? Funny how the police didn't notice the two left shoulder metal parts? So many questions!
That would be a wonderful twist!!! But as I imply in the video, I would be a character witness to support Uma! :)
Two things:
1) What if Dudenoff (not Sazz) wrote the screenplay?
2) The script stealing theory - while a good one - doesn't explain why the killer(s) seems to have such contempt for the trio, although that connection could be revealed later.
I’ve stayed at a place where the windows were painted shut. The fact that Vince and Rudy needed to pry the window open indicates to me that they were, motivated by their new drone to scrape the paint away and open the window.
I believe the Brothers Sisters footprint was on Dudenoff's apartment window, was because she was filming (the silver tape has to do with her super8 film camera) B-Roll for the upcoming film out the window, and she (perhaps unknowingly) filmed the murder happening.
("JUST KEEP FILMING" motive from last episode).
Makes perfect sense
if Marshal was the killer it would make perfect sense, and that's a great twist that the real target was Sazz after all
Who do you think Marshall's partner would be?
@@DoublePMedia probably Vince, I don't know the reason yet but he's so suspicious
I do believe that the real target was Sazz
Throwing a random toilet thought out there; I like the ‘Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stole it’s except for Sazz not showing any interest in writing scripts too. But is there someone else that knows the trio that might write a script? What about Jan?
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen season 1, but what if Jan wrote the script (it would be nice towards Charles because even though she said she wants to kill him, when we saw her this season, she still clearly showed she had some earnest feelings towards him). She then gives it to Sazz to look over, it gets stolen, Sazz goes detective. So it was Jams script that was stolen? Just a thought
That's a smart thought - Jan has nothing to do in prison but write a script. She would've/could've written Charles positively --- he did catch her.
I watched season 3 ep 19 with audio description on and what I see is Sazz entering Charles’ apartment. Which we already know.
Sazz's voice message to Bev specifically says there's a problem with the movie. So maybe Sazz, not Charles, was the intended victim.
Sazz can stop the movie, or at least pause it. If Sazz wrote the script and Marshall stole it, then the loser would be Marshall, not Bev or the twins, who can still make the movie without Marshall.
Likewise, Glenn was the intended victim, not Oliver. Glenn recognised Marshall without the fake beard. Charles assumed Glenn mistook Marshall for Mabel, but this is Charles's assumption, not fact. Maybe Glenn knows who Marshall really is, ie not a writer, or at least not a good one, as he hates doing rewrites and can only add the word "insecure" to them twice.
As for Dudenoff, that may be a red herring, or simply not related to Sazz's murder. Sazz's murder is clearly connected to the movie.
We don't know who posted the flyer "Stop the movie from filming in our building" --- are they the killer?
@@DoublePMedia I think there's two parallel plotlines, one concerning Sazz's murder connected to the movie, and another plotline concerning Dudenoff and his disappearance. The latter may be the other murder, the cold murder case, that's been mentioned before. It could be connected to Jan receiving the "I'm watching you" note and the trio also being watched. It's the Moriarty theory, ie a supervillain in the shadows throughout the whole series. This would be an Arconia resident. The only Arconia residents we keep coming across, albeit briefly, are Howard, Uma and Lester. Could Uma be the Moriarty? She definitely didn't want the movie to be shot at the Arconia.
The plot of the desecration of Alice is a subversion of the story of Pygmalion, the namesake of their first film at 9
Sazz jokingly said she made a copy of all their apartment keys last season (the killer got access to them, placed the cameras in that apartment, and knows the Duneoff). Surprisingly, no one investigated the noise in episode 1. Tawny Brothers got the orange jumpsuit in the Rikers Auction (which likely belonged to Jan). Oliver has been using the fireplace since the Pilot episode (even though the whole building was told not to use it).
Glen Stubbin's memory will be fixed, and he will tell the story about Sazz. If you notice, the killer only shot stunt doubles Glenn and Sazz.
Getting the jumpsuit from Jan - is a fun idea!
Yay! Been looking forward to your recap!
My crazy tin foil hat theory has been that Marshall dressed up like Mabel at some point in the past to do something shady (to do with script, or a murder? Not sure what exactly) and Glen saw him. Hence why he said “oh lass you grew a beard” or whatever he said. Probably wrong, but what I keep thinking.
I could see it!!!
Hmm..
look back to Mabel's artist friend, Alice who had actors portraying Mabel.
Also, when we saw the shooter in a midriff top and boots, Alice popped into mind
NATHAN LANE?!?! I want this to be the case!
The Dimas dips reappeared, we need Teddy to show up :)
Jan could have wrote the script, which is how Sazz would know.
Now THAT's a fun idea!!!
There doesn’t seem to be much of a reason to reintroduce Jan in this season … her having written the script might make sense, and then Sazz has a reason to know about it.
I think Dudenoff is the other possible script author, but I think it ties him
to this murder too neatly and I prefer to think his death is just a red herring to cast suspicion on the Westies.
my tin foil theory after the two left shoulders was "OMG DOUBLEPMEDIA IS RIGHT SAZZ IS ALIVE." then I wasn't sure after this week cuz they'd probably check the dna in the remains and shoulder like how they found out one of the shoulders was dudenoff's
I don't have theories i just have to say that this season is my favourite. A beloved victim died,it is really complex and it ties back to season one. It's really special to me, i can't wait to find out what happened. Also i hope Howard isn't involved or the next victim. It's nice to see him on my screen
Some really big swings in this episode. Love it.
YES!!!
I have an easy idea of how the "Stolen Script" theory could work. Have Dudenoff be the one who wrote the script. He and Sazz apparently know each other and she could have told him about Charles and the Only Murders crew. Then Marshall kills him for the script and put him in the incinerator. But afterward Sazz learned about the movie and recognized the script. To keep Sazz quiet he killed her too. Dundenoff is a film professor so it's now beyond the realm of reason to think he might also be a writer and we never learned when he died only the last time the Brother Sister's saw him. So he might have died more recently than we think especially with the fact his prosthetics were still in the incinerator.
Love everything about this, yet I have a question: If Dudenoff wrote the script, he had to have died after Jan was arrested in season 1... when did he die???
During the Detective scene, I had the bad feeling that she might be the murder victim for next season 😢 and then was really sad because I love the actress and the character.
Oh, that would be terrible!!!
Could Dudenoff have been killed by Jan? She was a serial killer looking for lonely men. He disappeared 3 years ago, when Tim Kono was also murdered and Charles almost murdered.
Someone at the Arconia must have noticed these disappearances, someone on the Board, like Uma maybe?
I'm excluding Howard because he's excited about the movie coming to the Arconia while Uma definitely doesn't want intrusions, be they the movie or the CCTV cameras.
If Jan killed Dudenoff too--- would Charles still hit that? :)
Seriously, that's a good idea
I think that we have 3 people behind this crime.
The people being Howard,vince fish and the old lady that were good friends with bunny
It's very important to determine who was the target in the second assassination attempt, and I think your reasoning in the Glen section was correct: the mastermind shot him to tie up loose ends. So is old Glenny going to pull through in the hospital or will he die a second death just like his face? The other important question: when did the Brothers sisters plant the cameras in Charles' apartment? One would assume it was after the trio signed their life rights away, but what if it was before? If that was the case, Sazz's death and the person who tampered with the first crime scene might be caught on film!
MeanBob, if I haven't written this before, I enjoy reading your feedback. The idea of a second death for Glen would be a wicked twist!
@@DoublePMedia I have almost enough evidence to write a full theory, so I’ll get your attention if you’re interested in something longer than a RUclips comment. That aside, two deaths for Glen is diabolical, no? It’s like pottery, it rhymes. But say that hypothetically Glen doesn’t make it through the night. Who do we know went to visit the hospital at the same time as Glen?
Does anyone else feel like they could be stuck in a movie-within-movie-within a-tv-show situation? The wallpaper behind Charles at one point looks like a maze, and same with a shot of him facing the ceiling. Also, the brothers sisters said that the trio signed off on their rights for cameras being in their own spaces on the contract - could that mean that the whole movie crew is in on it? Truman-show style? Perhaps its the brainchild of Dudenoff himself...
WHY HAVEN'T THEY CHECKED THE SERIAL NUMBER of the replacement joints? I've been asking this question every episode and I can't believe that in this episode they went to the length of checking aerial number for one joint but not all. whyyy
They could even ask the detective to analyze the type of bullet based on the casing. It would probably narrow it down a lot
Each of the Bros. Sister films correlates with the murder/motive/theme of each season of the show : BS Film 1: Pygmalion’s (My Fair Lady) Blood = Jan’s jealousy of always being second best to her sister (blood relative)/2nd bassoon seat in the orchestra hierarchy = Pygmalion Effect.
The Pygmalion Effect is defined as the underlying idea is that when a leader, authority figure, or role model believes we can succeed in a certain area, we will work hard to meet their expectations. This also implies that we do better when more is expected of us. The Pygmalion effect demonstrates the power expectations have in shaping behavior. This effect occurs because we tend to internalize the labels others place upon us = Jan’s dangerous need to outlive the “2nd best” stigma she believed was placed on her career wise & in her sister’s shadow
BS Film 2: The Song of the Ruptured Swan (play off of Black Swan film w/ Natalie Portman hence their costumes) Black Swan film synopsis says: The production requires a ballerina to play the innocent and fragile White Swan, for which the committed dancer Nina Sayers (Portman) is a perfect fit, as well as the dark and sensual Black Swan. Aronofsky conceived the premise by connecting his viewings of a production of Swan Lake with an unrealized screenplay about understudies and the notion of being haunted by a double = Becky Butler/Poppy being haunted by her double life. The director also considered Black Swan a companion piece to his film The Wrestler (2008), with both films revolving around demanding performances for different kinds of art = this ties into Season two’s subplot about art/Rose Cooper painting/Alice & her weird, reenactment performance art that disturbed Mabel
BS Film 3: The Desecration of Alice - when the trio watches “The Desecration of Alice” film and discover Vince Fish has a role in the film, look at Vince’s face in the scene of the film. His character has multiple eyes on his face but at first it’s predominantly 3 eyeballs circling the center of his face then the other eyeballs fill in = Season 3’s Pickwick Triplets song & theme of Oliver’s Broadway play. Also in Desecration of Alice, we see the Bros. Sisters playing TWO sisters in the film = Season 3 heavily focused on Ben & Dicky brother dynamic and all the CoBro references
*The fact that the episode highlights the Bros. Sisters first THREE films also adds to the list of the tons of “3’s” references
This is great feedback, thank you!
Well, if Dudenoff died in the apartment and the text foreshadows the mastermind plot…we can all agree it’s Howard right? And before you go “But Fake Dudenoff is somewhere else and Howard was there when Glen was shot, blablabla!” I want to answer that with: *accomplice?*
I don’t think Sazz is the person with the braids. In flashbacks of Sazz as Charles’ stunt double she has always had short hair - and the flashbacks cover decades.
Then would the braids person be a new character or someone else?
Jan Being the murder victim of season 5 would make a lot of sense and would be good for a great final
SOMEONE was cashing the professor’s checks, we don’t know that I was Dudenoff
My guess is that it was Rudy and Vince Fish, and they used the $ from the Professor's check to purchase the drone
Tobert does have access to cameras. Why would he want to kill Charles or Saz? He is a Documentarian so maybe he's documenting the trio since Ben died.
With a name like Tobert...
There were glass shards inside the window frame so the gun was shot outside Charles' apartment, not inside. Unless the killer planted some glass shards inside.... 🤔
On my second watch of this episode I noticed that they specifically draw attention to the fact that Oliver has a VHS camcorder and that it malfunctions upon entering the production office. IED’s are often made using magnetic components, and VHS technology is particularly susceptible to interference from magnets…that plus the fact that the episode is titled “Blow Up” has me thinking that someone is trying to set off some type of 💥 device in the Arconia. It might potentially also explain the metallic strip they found in the Dudenoff apartment: could it be left over from putting together an explosive?
Is Loretta going to die? How will they keep Oliver in the Arconia???
No Loretta death! Only Loretta and Oliver love! Happy Ending, one time!
Love your videos/content!
My mind has been going in so many different directions! One thing that I've considered is that maybe Cinda Canning is the mastermind behind a lot of this.... She's introduced to us in season one and has been in every season so far besides this one... The OMIB basically became her competition. Maybe she was trying to scare people in the building with the im watching you note... maybe she poisoned Oliver's dog... maybe she tried to shoot charles, hoping she could get mabel on board with her because she desperately wanted Mabel in season 3.... I think something separate is going on with Professor dudenoff that may not directly tie into sazz's death! I have no idea, just a crazy theory of mine!
Thank you! Think you're right about Cinda Canning... she has to show up sooner or later
Could Vince be a twin? It's a theme of the show, eye patch moves because only one of them actually needs it, and shouting 'visitors' to make sure the other resident of the apartment hides.
Also, if Saz not dead - only need one killer as no longer a need to move the body.
I'm starting to think Howard has something to do with it. He's too calm for Howard.
Howard is so happy to be part of the crew - he'll kill to keep the podcast going!
Tolbert moved to L.A. to work on a project. Both he and Mabel have a lot going on, I’m not surprised we haven’t seen him
I loved the ending to this episode. I think Sazz knew Dudenoff was murdered and was the cold case that was referenced in series 3. I think her message to Charles that was sensitive was her retirement and settling down too. Now everyone links together it appears as if the Westies are all former actors/extras. This would be plausible with why they’d accept Sazz as a stunt double. My wild theory is that this series is really about ‘who is the most important person for a film?’ Is it the producers, cameramen, actors/doubles or writers? The murderer would have their own view on their role - hence why Sazz was killed - it’s not the stunt double, Dudenoff was killed - not the cameraman/mentor figure. So that would leave for me either a famous actor (the name makes the show) or the writer (the script makes the show).
Someone made the noise in Sazz's L.A. apartment - no Westies were in Los Angeles - Marshall is a killer
Helga!!!!
@nulltestchannelnulltestcha7252 That noise in Saz's apartment could have something falling down from a closet. I've had things fall in my closet so therefore I don't buy it's Hollywood people
I agree, Marshall seems pretty clumsy and could have been at Sazz’s place making that noise the trio heard.
@@gloriaescoto7037 This! They’ve established how clumsy he is, so you have to ask why.
I honestly love where this season is going!! Dudenoff being revealed then instantly killed off raises the stakes immensely. For me, it is clear now from the radio ham conversation back in EP4 that Sazz figured out Dudenoff got killed by someone in the building/Hollywood. The link between Dudenoff and Sazz is either the replacement joint (meaning he was also a stunt double before becoming a teacher), or she took his class at some point in time. Either way, when he disappeared Sazz probably freaked out and started searching for him and investigating.
The reason for Dudenoff's murder is still unknown. But, I agree with most of you guys here. Marshall is the prime suspect and the theory that he stole Dudenoff's script seems to make A LOT of sense.
In this case, I would understand the where and the why and the why now.. but the how is puzzling. How do you drag a westie to the east side kill him and essentially steal his identity without any of the tightly-knit westie neighbors suspecting anything for months/years? And if that's not the case, that would lead to an even bigger question: How do you kill somebody that originally lived on the west side of the Arconia, drag his body to the incinerator all the way to the east building without anyone noticing?
How do you, a writer that's not from the building know that there's an incinerator chute in the Arconia?
Agree! This is a great season
Let's say Marshall went to the stunt bar to talk to Sazz about the script. Perhpas Sazz did rewrites on it. Was that the difficult relationship Sazz was talking about? Is that where Marshall met Glen? Was Glen shot because he could connect Marshall to Sazz? The two shoulder blades is suspicious. I am still not sure Sazz is dead. But since the FBI has confirmed her remains, I will accept. I don't see Glen cleaning up the murder scene. He could carry the body, only if it was zipped up and he did not know who was in it. I don't see him "willing" in a plot to kill Sazz. I stil fell Lincoln is a clue hinting to a larger conspiracy. We need 1 person to shoot, 1 person to clean up, 1 or 2 people to move the body.
I had not thought that the "difficult relationship" could be a professional one! So smart!
I think Sazz is the mystery person in the photo with the Westies and she took his film course at some time in the past since she’s a stunt double and probably would have wanted to learn more about the movie filming process to help with her stunt acting. That would explain the Duddenoff connection and how Duddenoff would have gotten his joint replacements from 🇷🇴. Is it possible that Sazz went by a fake name when she was hanging with the Westies?
Correct: but was it Helga? It couldn't be, right? Because Helga was on the Ham radio
Tinfoil Hat Theory - It all hinges on how long Jan has been at the Arconia, but maybe she had a fling with Dudenhoff 3 years ago.
Hey Did anyone else find similarities between the notes from season 1 and Rudy's list on his abs?
Especially the "E" and "M"
On his abs, he has written E in 2 different styles just like how Winnie's poisoned note has 2 different E's...
May be I'm stretching it too far but can be considered...
Rudy's been on my suspect list since ep3. With his athletic prowess, he's the only Westie that could pull off the hit & clean-up job alone in 11 mins. It's also not a far stretch that he could have been a stuntman after failing as an actor, and with Glen seeing rats, perhaps it is an ex-stunt person who is the killer.
When the trio went into Sazz's place, there was a sound. Marshall could/should have taken any evidence of a script.
That could be it!
I am.sticking with Sazz went to Charles' apartment intentionly to get killed in place of Charles
Wouldn't the shot come first then the bullet exits window. That description sounds correct unless the audio doesn't say the figure was shot and that's the problem. So then audio is saying nobody was shot. So then are we to assume Saz wasn't shot??
Maybe I missed a discussion of this... sorry, if it has already been discussed and I am just coming in late. If Sazz left a voice mail message with Bev at 11:07pm, a fact that helped define the timeline... Wouldn't that message have a 3 hour time difference? Assuming Bev was in LA and Sazz was in NYC? If this has been discussed and dismissed, again I am sorry.
We talked about it last week, yet I like that you've brought it back up. Something odd there, for sure!
Thank you for the video!
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19:45 ...it could be the opposite. Remember that when the police arrived to investigate the kitchen area and window, it was determined that the glass fragments inside signaled that the shot came from outside. Maybe the shooter did shoot Sazz from Dudenoff's apartment, but killed Dudenoff to gain access from that vantage point.
I'm watching you sign and text messages tells me this killer is someone from the building. Not sure who, what why and why now. Jan and Saz were lovers and she helped her escape. Maybe she has Saz's phone. Maybe that chiropractor where Saz last took a photo where she may have left the phone in her office and she's doing all the texting.
The I'm watching you note from this season is a call back to an earlier season, but some of the letters are written differently.
If they are concerned that Mable is the next target, I think that means that Eva Longoria may be in danger. Seems like the doubles end up getting hurt.
I can take many things, but NOT anyone hurting Mabel or Eva!
How long did Fish say he had had pink eye? In the Brother Sisters film, the close up is on Fish’s eyes.
There were actually many channels talking about this show since the beginning like Elliott from Movie Files
I don't know anymore, man. Every video, I write my long-winded thoughts, but it all feels so pointless. I like the theory that the Westies are covering up Dudenoff's death. Not that they murdered him, but they hid his body away in the incinerator so they wouldn't lose their rent-control deal (or whatever). So I think that's meant as a distraction and they are not the real murderer of Sazz. However, I still find it WAY too coincidental that there are two left shoulder joints found in one incinerator. I mean, what are the chances of that? The show is really asking us to suspend disbelief, unless there's some other conspiracy I'm missing.
Okay, if Glen was the intended target, then who was the shooter? I still think it's Mr. 20/10 vision, Marshall. He seemed way too jumpy this episode. And although I don't want it to be another "producers" reveal, it does seem as if Bev is complicit somehow. Maybe she's the one calling the shots. So why was Glen targeted? Because he recognized Marshall/Lassie? Following from last week's popular theory, did Marshall steal Sazz's script and Sazz needed to be silenced or else the movie would be shut down?
I guess the most interesting thing to consider is the "I am watching you" message that they all receive, which harkens back to season 1. Is this our Moriarty showing their hand? Does it tie back in with Vince and Rudy trying to cover up Dudenoff's body and not wanting the murder podcast crew to sniff around the building? That would be very interesting if all these seeds were planted from the very beginning.
Don't give up hope! I need you on the hunts for clues!
I am not convinced that the woman in the Westie group picture is Sazz. It would make sense for her to have connections with the Westies, given the information she had compiled before her death, the detail of the pig tails bothers me. In the 3 years we've seen Sazz on the show, she has always had short hair, which helps when she is doubling for men. Even though the Westie picture looks like it was taken long before the season starts, it seems odd that she would grow out her hair. I suppose she could have worn a wig to be undercover, but you would think no one on that side of the Arconia would know her, because she doesn't actually live there. Not dressing as Charles would be enough of a disguise, honestly.
LOL - Sazz not dressing as Charles is a call for help. Do you think the pigtails person is Loretta or someone else? Helga?
@@DoublePMedia We have seen Loretta wear her hair in pigtails! That would be a real left field reveal. We haven't seen Helga yet, but since the person in the picture is holding the pig, and when Helga was talking to the main characters on the Ham radio, she was very concerned about the pig, so that would make the most sense, but might end up being a red herring. I can't remember which Westie had the picture of the whole group, with the woman's face crossed out. If it was Rudy, it may be just a red herring.
I think honestly Marshall is a fitting killer for a Meta reason. I believe in the last season they made a joke saying it couldn’t be Loretta because “oh yeah female killer 3 seasons in a row get some new material” and last season the killers were both a woman and a man, I feel like after they made they joke it would be weird to make the killers this episode a woman again
If the show ends with Season 5, and two killers in season 3, we could be split 50/50
Maybe that’s why Glen called him a “lass” lol
I’ve been wondering if the writer was also a student of Dudenhoff but maybe was never noticed
I zoomed in on the other students in the classroom shots, but didn't recognize anyone.
I think the show wanted to show us something when the guy crashed into Howard, because why would they show that! And then show us that guy helping marshal, and they look alike ! So idk with the twin thing I think it is important. And it’s also the only time in this episode that someone crashes into the film !
It is very sus that that person got such a close up. Need to review the season and see if we've seen him before
I’ve had “baked by Melissa” tiny cupcakes. They are truly delicious.
I will have to order some for "research"
Why hasn’t Charles asked Fish who the person scratched out in the picture is? He and Eugene Levy seemed suspicious of it but have never asked? Why didn’t they ask when in the apartment asking about his being in the Brother Sisters film?
LOL - the podcast trio need your logical thinking. yes, ask Vince Fish!
I have absolutely no clue how that would fit into the overall story but: it almost feels like Vince Fish may have a twin? Episode 6 makes it seem like the Vince we saw was not on the same page with the character we saw in previous episodes - eye patch on the other eye with a bit of a comical excuse for it, wanting to try opening the windows despite what was said previously...
I don't know, it's... fishy.
It may also not be a coincidence that we're shown these inconsistencies in the episode about twins, and it does look like Sazz' murder was a 2 people job.
Extra fishy!
I also use the audio description and want to acknowledge the comment from the blind viewer. They also are still describing gravy actions. He did a shake in reaction to the box of remains.
Thank you for that!
It appears Sazz & Glen may be the targets of our shooter. But besides being stunt performers, they had one other thing in common, they were both hated by Rex Bailey! Perhaps the mastermind or killer is someone who is a close friend, or a relative of Rex.