Good video. The two bikes mentioned as not in the drop shop are rewards for completing challenges. You get the Tarmac after completing California, and the Emonda on the first stage of the Everest challenge.
So I went for the Canyon Ultimate as my climbing bike, mostly because I have a Canyon Endurace IRL and they sort of look similar at a glance. That's also why my go-to aero bike is the Aeroad 😂
Thanks Chris. For me the Fastest Bike up the Alpe is still the Tron, I bought the Zwift Safety Bike when it was the fastest but I still had a better time with the Tron. The Tarmac Pro with the Lightweight Wheels has come a close second to the Tron, having completed 266 Alpe Climbs I will keep trying most of these newer bikes/wheels set ups . With all those 16+ Million Drops I've earned I want the best ! Keep posting the videos Chris really enjoy.
Thank you so much for doing these tests. I'd like to see one for the best frameset/wheel combo for flat/hilly rides and if they help in the pack. I just use the Specialized Tarmac Pro and ENVE 3.4 lightest climbing bike for everything, but I'd like recommendations for the flatter roads and group. Not a TT bike and maybe level 20-ish or less attainable stuff with enough drops? Thanks Chris! Also congrats on winning Paris-Roubaix! Still wanted the cocoa smudged face for the look!! Cheers!
I got the Tarmac Pro and Meilenstein wheels. Using this combo for every uphill race (like the Haute Route events). Also I'm a proud virtual owner of the Emonda. For flat tracks and everything in between I have the concept bike. Oh and you should mention: When you're going for the concept bike don't forget to log your elevation gain for the everest challenge!!! I did my first 12000m elevation gain on Zwift with the California challenge selected.
I've used Tarmac Pro + Enve 3.4 wheels for Haute Route and it is my combo for hilly rides (until I unlock those Lightweight Meilenstein wheels :-)). But for looking good on Zwift, I go for Trek Madone and Zipp 808s. Oh yeah!
Hey Pritch, very good job on presentation and research. I started Zwifting recently and this information is very useful! Looking forward for my first lightweight Zwift bike and pair of wheels :)
I know some people are training at home, but the weather where I live is finally getting nicer so my training has headed outdoors. The best part is, there's less cars on the road so it feels safer out there. I ride alone so I'm social distancing.
I’d like to ride the two bikes I own in real life, the specialized tarmac and the Cervelo S5. I had them since before I joined zwift without knowing they are two of the fastest bikes on their categories. Now I can’t wait to own them on Zwift too!!
Could it be that the Zwift algorithm is designed to have (slightly) different outcomes of racing/climbing each time you ride. Perhaps to prevent people only choosing the quickest setup. Did you ever did dayly/weekly tests with the same setup on the same course with equal power output? Just wondering :-)
Hello Chris, great info there on the Zwift videos, you re killing it, please, keep them coming!!!! :-) I got a bit confused, the Cannondale Evo did not got better results on previous tests? and one more question: is the Zipp 202 the best option for climbing the Alpe du Zwift? (before you get lucky on the Lightweight wheels on top of the Alpe), (so much info to me to cope with, lol!!! thank you in forehand... you deserve 10X of subscribers, always great contend!!!
Wait! I did Alpe du Zwift two nights ago for the first time (137:36.53). And the Edmonda unlocked! I’m level 17. I was just happy to have finally done the climb, and I grabbed the Trek as soon as I finished. So, somehow, someway, the Emonda is still available.
No worries. Thanks for the great channel. My triathlon club is using your top 10 climbs list as a basis for our weekly Zwift Tuesday night meetup to pass the time away while quarantining here in the States. The Alpe du Zwift was our first. Best regards. Stay well
Hey Chris, great video as always. Just a heads up for the bike testing on the flat, Wheels have a much greater impact on the flat than the frames do. Using Zwift insiders data (while old his climbing order matches yours apart from the update to the safety bike) on his flat test my analysis showed the best frame (non-tron) only got a 0.54% improvement vs the Zwift Carbon bike while the best wheel set got a gain of 1.71% (Zipp 858/Super 9 vs the zwift 32mm carbon). Even more interesting, just using the Enve 3.4's still got a better relative improvement than the best flat bike frame (non-tron). Again though, this is using the older data so things might have changed now? Cant wait to see your test results. Also, if you want some fancy charts made up that you can stick in the video hit me up :)
What power difference is there between elevating your front wheel 8% versus leaving your bike on the flat? That would be an interesting test since climbing involves climbing muscles.
Ta-Da?! Who are you and what did you do to Chris?! Ooosh! Also, the new CH-shirt seems to be purposefully designed to show off your guns. Just noticed. ;D
I think BC and Zwift could've avoided the proverbial stepping on the garden rake/Cam situation if they'd have just locked everyone in the competition into the same Safety-bike, tbh. Even when it was better rated.
I used the Specialized Tarmac Pro a couple of weeks ago and did AdZ in 62:xx. Shit bike.......... I jest 😜. I need to average .1w/kg more up that damn climb to get the sub 60 achievement. Nearly there!
looks over stats? .... Looks! is everything! is the only thing! where else your drops your real sweat drops make you earn a very very cool looking Bike! (zwift of course) currently on level 17 and my savings are on a 1.200.000 drops but my cool looking bike still not avaliable on my level yet!
Doesn't matter, the whole thing was a joke - they should just have unlocked every bike for everybody in the competition, the difference maker shouldn't be if you have unlocked some special bike in game. That he got a ban for it just shows British Cycling and whoever else organised it has no clue how to do "eSports" yet, or at least they didn't at the time.
hi i unlocked tarmac pro when i was lev 11...then few weeks back...i dont know what happen suddenly out of nowhere that old tarmac sort of poped in in my collection never bought it suddenly was there dont know what happened...but i dont mind in the end :)
This is a good video because it has demonstrated to me that there really is no difference between these bikes. Clearly the 1st bike, an outlier, has been discontinued probably because the new algo has significantly affected its performance. As for the others, apart from one, they are identical (within a sec) and that is ignoring margin for error. Honestly people are nuts if they take this seriously. Saying that, what would of been more useful would be to see if there is a significant difference between the stock frame/wheels and any of the bikes tested in this video. You need to have a baseline. The Zwift programmers must be pissing themselves laughing thinking that people take this seriously. I am going to keep my hard earned virtual currency and wait for Zwift to issue an NFT or some other worthless digital asset and buy that instead. Rant over!
@@joanetmontserrat702 I didnt realise it was an S-Works. I have it already just noticed it says S-Works on it. ha ha. Its the older Tarmac though. the new Specialized Tarmac Pro should be faster. ? Hmm, C'Mon Pritch. Lets see a test aye :)
@@chrispritch Maybe they've calculated the Safety Bike's weight and it drops down the Alpe du Zwift faster than faster than one of Niel's Tinder Dates drops to her knees! HAHA
The regular Cannondale evo that is available at level 8 is a faster climber than the supersix. Give it a test. Agree with you though that if the race or route you are doing is more that just a trip up the mountain, the fastest climber not always the best choice. Safety bike only suitable for the richest man in Watopia.
Regarding the safety bike. I think that people at Zwift are poking fun at those people who buy overpriced boat anchors of steel made in the Netherlands. The boutique unracer brand bikes and hipsters buying them by making it the most expensive and the most inept bike in the drop shop.
Chris I have almost 10 million drops, I’m a zwiftllionare , hook me up with some nice rims and I ll pay you under the table 😂😂😂😂 I have so many frames and wheels I barely know what to do with them, I usually use Tron, long rime algo you could pair Tron with the Millstein wheels, now that shat was fast 😄😄😄😄😬😬😬🤩🤩
Good video Chris. I get a kick out of your control numbers; 170 cm tall? Does that seem short? At least use average height of 176.5. That might make a difference? Average European weight is 156kg. Ok, I'm being a jerk, good job again Chris.
WTF if this were based on real world bike ratings the 2014/2016 Cannondale supersix evo HM would have to be number 1 or in top 3. Specialized tarmac pro is nice but its heavy as hell stock. I have a 2015 supersix evo hm 58cm with ksyrium slr's Exalith aluminum and 28mm tires and the bike is 14lbs.. 13.5 with 23mm tires. Its a climbing beast specialized has no equal to old Evo's HM without spending 19K to make it light smh...
Late to the party here, but thanks to you, I cracked the hour today (59:10) with the Trek Emonda and Lightweight wheels. Thanks for the intel!
You earn the Trek Emonda by completing the Everest Challenge. The Tron bike comes from doing 50000 meters of climbing
Cheers Chris! Been a while since unlocking them!
And tarmac comes after California
Hi ! Am have 55.000 and dont have the tron bike , what im doing wrong? Tks
@@robertrodriguezFhortune You have to have the Everest Challenge selected. The elevation only counts if you have it chosen as your challenge
@@chrisroe6603 tomorrow I'm go in search this option tks
What about the Cannondale Evo.? 4 Stars weight 2 stars aero cheap plus you can unlock it early on.
Good video. The two bikes mentioned as not in the drop shop are rewards for completing challenges. You get the Tarmac after completing California, and the Emonda on the first stage of the Everest challenge.
Ye my bad... Totally forgot, kinda unlocked them a loooooooooooooooong time ago!!
I always fall back to the Tron for hard rides or races. I was always told that if your not any good at least look good doing it.
😂 😂 😂 Hell yes!!
You can unlock specialized tarmac by completing the ride California challenge, maybe that’s why it is not available in the drop shop now
So I went for the Canyon Ultimate as my climbing bike, mostly because I have a Canyon Endurace IRL and they sort of look similar at a glance. That's also why my go-to aero bike is the Aeroad 😂
Used my Trek Emondo and Zipp 202 for the Haute route, the only thing that would make me quicker would be some decent lungs and Legs, :)
I've been using the Tarmac Pro/enve wheel combo for climbing for a while now. Didn't know the Tron bike was now so slow.
Floydie it was never fast up hills. It is still the fastest bike for flat courses, if you don’t have the 808/858/ Super9 wheels.
Tron bike all the way. After spending so much time getting it, im gonna use it;)
Can you test the Ridley helium as well to add in the comparison
G’Day, yeah all I ride is the tarmac pro with the 3.4’s. I only weigh 68 kgs and makes climbing easier.
Should compare the tarmac pro vs Tron bike on “flatter” Watopia route. Wonder how much slower it is
Thanks Chris. For me the Fastest Bike up the Alpe is still the Tron, I bought the Zwift Safety Bike when it was the fastest but I still had a better time with the Tron. The Tarmac Pro with the Lightweight Wheels has come a close second to the Tron, having completed 266 Alpe Climbs I will keep trying most of these newer bikes/wheels set ups . With all those 16+ Million Drops I've earned I want the best ! Keep posting the videos Chris really enjoy.
Thanks, useful info. Please could you do the same test for TT bikes and aero wheels available at say level 10+?
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Thank you so much for doing these tests. I'd like to see one for the best frameset/wheel combo for flat/hilly rides and if they help in the pack. I just use the Specialized Tarmac Pro and ENVE 3.4 lightest climbing bike for everything, but I'd like recommendations for the flatter roads and group. Not a TT bike and maybe level 20-ish or less attainable stuff with enough drops? Thanks Chris! Also congrats on winning Paris-Roubaix! Still wanted the cocoa smudged face for the look!! Cheers!
how do you do constant 360w?
Chris has no problem switching bikes out cuz he can't help but look super good always
After taking over an hour and a half to grind to the top today, I suspect giving up beer and bacon sarnies might help more than a new bike ...........
I got the Tarmac Pro and Meilenstein wheels. Using this combo for every uphill race (like the Haute Route events). Also I'm a proud virtual owner of the Emonda. For flat tracks and everything in between I have the concept bike. Oh and you should mention: When you're going for the concept bike don't forget to log your elevation gain for the everest challenge!!! I did my first 12000m elevation gain on Zwift with the California challenge selected.
Wait...I have the Tarmac Pro, with Enve 3.4s. Why aren't I fast!!! 😭😂😂
I've used Tarmac Pro + Enve 3.4 wheels for Haute Route and it is my combo for hilly rides (until I unlock those Lightweight Meilenstein wheels :-)). But for looking good on Zwift, I go for Trek Madone and Zipp 808s. Oh yeah!
I like the steel look.
Great video Chris, very informative.......interesting stuff cheers!!
Hey Pritch, very good job on presentation and research. I started Zwifting recently and this information is very useful! Looking forward for my first lightweight Zwift bike and pair of wheels :)
These videos are how I discovered your channel 7 or so months ago.
Well let's hope another dj has just come across my vids!!!
Just when I needed my daily Pritch hit 😍💪🏻💪🏻
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I know some people are training at home, but the weather where I live is finally getting nicer so my training has headed outdoors. The best part is, there's less cars on the road so it feels safer out there. I ride alone so I'm social distancing.
I’d like to ride the two bikes I own in real life, the specialized tarmac and the Cervelo S5. I had them since before I joined zwift without knowing they are two of the fastest bikes on their categories. Now I can’t wait to own them on Zwift too!!
im not sure if any1 mentioned it already but you can unlock the trek emonda by feeding penutbutter honey sandwiches to the jarvis bear in game
What about the new Parlee and Pinarello?
Could it be that the Zwift algorithm is designed to have (slightly) different outcomes of racing/climbing each time you ride. Perhaps to prevent people only choosing the quickest setup. Did you ever did dayly/weekly tests with the same setup on the same course with equal power output? Just wondering :-)
Did you test the tarmac pro against the tarmac?
Hello Chris, great info there on the Zwift videos, you re killing it, please, keep them coming!!!! :-) I got a bit confused, the Cannondale Evo did not got better results on previous tests? and one more question: is the Zipp 202 the best option for climbing the Alpe du Zwift? (before you get lucky on the Lightweight wheels on top of the Alpe), (so much info to me to cope with, lol!!! thank you in forehand... you deserve 10X of subscribers, always great contend!!!
I'll pick my Trek Emonda for the Alpe...
Do you have a video of why the speeds in zwift are so high?
I'm not that intelligent enough to answer that... 😂
I have recently (like 3 days ago) won the Trek Emonda, but i can't remenber what I was doing, maybe during one of the Haute Route stages.
Wait! I did Alpe du Zwift two nights ago for the first time (137:36.53). And the Edmonda unlocked! I’m level 17. I was just happy to have finally done the climb, and I grabbed the Trek as soon as I finished. So, somehow, someway, the Emonda is still available.
Yes! My bad it is available via the zwift challenges!!!
No worries. Thanks for the great channel. My triathlon club is using your top 10 climbs list as a basis for our weekly Zwift Tuesday night meetup to pass the time away while quarantining here in the States. The Alpe du Zwift was our first. Best regards. Stay well
@@Papa-Bogey that's amazing!!! Thanks man and enjoy those climbs!!!
Just did 'Alpe du Zwift' for the first time, got the gloves... Better luck next time 😅👍
What about he cannondale evo?
That intro was brutal 😆
Hey Chris, great video as always.
Just a heads up for the bike testing on the flat, Wheels have a much greater impact on the flat than the frames do. Using Zwift insiders data (while old his climbing order matches yours apart from the update to the safety bike) on his flat test my analysis showed the best frame (non-tron) only got a 0.54% improvement vs the Zwift Carbon bike while the best wheel set got a gain of 1.71% (Zipp 858/Super 9 vs the zwift 32mm carbon).
Even more interesting, just using the Enve 3.4's still got a better relative improvement than the best flat bike frame (non-tron).
Again though, this is using the older data so things might have changed now? Cant wait to see your test results. Also, if you want some fancy charts made up that you can stick in the video hit me up :)
I unlocked the Trek Emonda Monday during my ride up Alp de Zwift. Not sure how or why though.
I should off read down the comments. Chris Roe answered my question.
On the spinning wheel at the top got the lightweight wheels on a spin 😊
Dazza I got the gloves. Hopefully I will get the wheels next time.
What power difference is there between elevating your front wheel 8% versus leaving your bike on the flat? That would be an interesting test since climbing involves climbing muscles.
What about Zwift resistance. It should be set to max to reproduce real climbing with small gears and not only power outage with big gears ....
La Reine: Hold my Beerrrrrrrrrr :))))
Did you say Cervelo P5? I think you meant to say Cervelo R5 since the P5 is a time trial bike
Oh fuck a duck... Ye R5.. I'm sorry!! God I'm bloody useless!!! 😂
Which of these top climbing bikes are the Fastest on flat thou? Also is it worth to get the Allez Sprint Aero or go with the Evo6 as you’ve suggested?
How is your haircut so fresh?!!
For the Crit City Race, Wich the best combo ?
At +5w/kg for 40 minutes, I'd settle for a TT rig, tied to a bull running the other way.
Within 30 seconds he had two digs at Cam. The love is not dead 🤣🤣
I have the tarmac pro and trek edmonda.... it makes no difference, im just slow ....period lol
😂 😂 You and me both!!!
Which wheels help with the bike... i am level 7 and saving de dropps for level 10/11 for the climming bike specially for alpe du Zwift
Ta-Da?! Who are you and what did you do to Chris?! Ooosh!
Also, the new CH-shirt seems to be purposefully designed to show off your guns. Just noticed. ;D
I think BC and Zwift could've avoided the proverbial stepping on the garden rake/Cam situation if they'd have just locked everyone in the competition into the same Safety-bike, tbh. Even when it was better rated.
What about that Dogma you just purchased ?
Meh! Wasn't really worth testing amongst a bunch of climbing bikes!!
do the fastest on the flats and time trial bike again please
I used the Specialized Tarmac Pro a couple of weeks ago and did AdZ in 62:xx. Shit bike.......... I jest 😜. I need to average .1w/kg more up that damn climb to get the sub 60 achievement. Nearly there!
how do you simulate 360W at 90rpm? side program?
really curious to know...
Ant plus simulator
looks over stats? .... Looks! is everything! is the only thing! where else your drops your real sweat drops make you earn a very very cool looking Bike! (zwift of course)
currently on level 17 and my savings are on a 1.200.000 drops but my cool looking bike still not avaliable on my level yet!
I just ride the bike I’d like to own for real and that is a Trek modon Chris and if that makes me have to work harder so be it.
Bloody good job nick!
Did anyone actually prove cameron jeffers got any benefit ingame from the tron bike? Surely they can't be going by this as definitive evidence.
Ayo It was shown he would’ve still won on a slower bike.
Doesn't matter, the whole thing was a joke - they should just have unlocked every bike for everybody in the competition, the difference maker shouldn't be if you have unlocked some special bike in game. That he got a ban for it just shows British Cycling and whoever else organised it has no clue how to do "eSports" yet, or at least they didn't at the time.
How on earth do you average those sort of watts up such a long climb???
The Max Gradient isnt 12 but 14%
How do you make your avatar climbing Ale du Zwift without pedaling yourself ?
hi i unlocked tarmac pro when i was lev 11...then few weeks back...i dont know what happen suddenly out of nowhere that old tarmac sort of poped in in my collection never bought it suddenly was there dont know what happened...but i dont mind in the end :)
I think it must have been there after you completed one of the challenges!!?
So how do you do the testing at a consistent power and cadence with no fluctuations...?
He is using and Ant+ simulator so it just thinks a power meter is connected.
This is a good video because it has demonstrated to me that there really is no difference between these bikes. Clearly the 1st bike, an outlier, has been discontinued probably because the new algo has significantly affected its performance. As for the others, apart from one, they are identical (within a sec) and that is ignoring margin for error. Honestly people are nuts if they take this seriously. Saying that, what would of been more useful would be to see if there is a significant difference between the stock frame/wheels and any of the bikes tested in this video. You need to have a baseline. The Zwift programmers must be pissing themselves laughing thinking that people take this seriously. I am going to keep my hard earned virtual currency and wait for Zwift to issue an NFT or some other worthless digital asset and buy that instead. Rant over!
i agree
Emonda comes from first stage of the Everest challenge, and the original tarmac comes from the California challenge
I never bloody knew that.... Cheers John... Been a while since I did those events!!!
Hi Chris. Hope you and family are well. Ordered some wahoo stuff via your link . Stay safe.
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You bloody legend
What about the tarmac S-Works??
Where do you see that? Can only see the Venge $-Works?
WRXJIM You don’t buy it, you unlock it by completing the tour of california challenge
@@joanetmontserrat702 I didnt realise it was an S-Works. I have it already just noticed it says S-Works on it. ha ha. Its the older Tarmac though. the new Specialized Tarmac Pro should be faster. ? Hmm, C'Mon Pritch. Lets see a test aye :)
Mans got Jokes!!
Is the safety bike with the safety wheels still as fast as they used to be
Nope!
@@chrispritch Maybe they've calculated the Safety Bike's weight and it drops down the Alpe du Zwift faster than faster than one of Niel's Tinder Dates drops to her knees! HAHA
You get the Specialized Tarmac for completing the California challenge. You have to BUY the Specialized Tarmac PRO
The regular Cannondale evo that is available at level 8 is a faster climber than the supersix. Give it a test. Agree with you though that if the race or route you are doing is more that just a trip up the mountain, the fastest climber not always the best choice.
Safety bike only suitable for the richest man in Watopia.
Naaaaaah way!!! It's only a 3* weight!! Imma test this shit...
@@chrispritch May have changed, but used to be like #3 best climber
Shit man maybe I took the wrong bike up the hill!!! 😂
Ribble?
7th time up the Alpe STILL NO WHEELS
I don't know if this is the lucky number for everybody but I got the wheels on my 12th time up Alpe du Zwift.
Regarding the safety bike.
I think that people at Zwift are poking fun at those people who buy overpriced boat anchors of steel made in the Netherlands. The boutique unracer brand bikes and hipsters buying them by making it the most expensive and the most inept bike in the drop shop.
Chris I have almost 10 million drops, I’m a zwiftllionare , hook me up with some nice rims and I ll pay you under the table 😂😂😂😂 I have so many frames and wheels I barely know what to do with them, I usually use Tron, long rime algo you could pair Tron with the Millstein wheels, now that shat was fast 😄😄😄😄😬😬😬🤩🤩
Good video Chris. I get a kick out of your control numbers; 170 cm tall? Does that seem short? At least use average height of 176.5. That might make a difference? Average European weight is 156kg. Ok, I'm being a jerk, good job again Chris.
😂 😂 😂 I just use round numbers so I don't forget!!
WTF if this were based on real world bike ratings the 2014/2016 Cannondale supersix evo HM would have to be number 1 or in top 3. Specialized tarmac pro is nice but its heavy as hell stock. I have a 2015 supersix evo hm 58cm with ksyrium slr's Exalith aluminum and 28mm tires and the bike is 14lbs.. 13.5 with 23mm tires. Its a climbing beast specialized has no equal to old Evo's HM without spending 19K to make it light smh...
Isn't the ENVE 2.2 a faster climbing wheel than the 3.4??
Cannondale evo is meant to be fast isn’t it???????
I'll take my TCR SL with Enve 3.4's over any Tarmac or Emonda any day of the week.
Love the little dig at Cameron, "You might be trying to unlock the concept bike... Legitimately..."
first bois
70 kg?! Should put your weight in chris, your weight is probably closer to your average viewer’s. ... So what’s that like 72?
😂 On a bad day!!!
"legitimately" Cameron Jeffers