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- First time watching and reacting to Zodiac
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"Nothing good ever happens in basement" ( in a Russian Accent.) Is probably my new favorite saying.
This is one of my all-time favorite films. It breaks all the rules of traditional film-making: the main character doesn't start really going down his journey until halfway through the film, there's no three-act structure, and they never catch the killer, though they have a pretty damn convincing suspect, and yet it's never anything less than gripping the whole time. It's also unexpectedly funny...there's so many great lines and quips in this film that you wouldn't necessarily expect from such a story.
Interesting. I really like the movie too, but one of the things I like about it is, that to me it's a very "traditional" movie, and I respect Fincher that he did it that way, instead of trying to make a second "Se7en" (great movie, don't get me wrong) out of it.
A good, straight story classically told, with good acting, well written characters, classic cinematography, that takes the time it needs and stays true to itself, without adding stupid twists and turns just to "outsmart" the audience or feeling the need to throw in tones of over the top action to not get boring. Something that I feel got more and more rare since the 2000s.
The first two sets of murders occurred in Vallejo, Ca. Where I grew up. I was home on weekend leave from the Army when the second shootings occurred. I was with about 20 high school friends at a market parking lot when suddenly every cop car in town began speeding towards Blue Rock Springs Park outside of town. Everyone said let's go see what's going on. We went, and saw a single car parked alone with both doors open in the parks parking lot. The guy who survived obviously had already been transported to the hospital and the girl in the passenger seat was obviously dead, as noone was assisting her. For me the scariest part was that that was where my girlfriend and I parked when looking for alone time. Nearly became a part of the story when the driver of the car I was in didn't see a police car speeding to go around us and turned directly in front of the policeman. The policeman slammed on his breaks and came to a stop about 3 inches from my door. This was before seat belts were used. If he hit my door, I would not have survived.
Hey, born and raised in Vallejo. Spend 37 years there and finally escaped earlier this year. But I swear my childhood was spent obsessed with Zodiac stories. My dad went to school with the two who were killed at Blue Rock and kinda new the first two on Lake Herman. Always interesting to hear first hand accounts from people who were there at the time.
I love that they establish the violence early and then more of the focus turns to the chase and the investigation, becomes more suspenseful and less violent.
but the lake scene is one of the most truly violent scenes that's been on film, i the true sense of violence
The scene in movie theater is where Dave Toshi is watching the famous movie "Dirty Harry" which was based on the same events at the time. Also there is the movie "Bullitt" (1968) which I highly recommend, where Steve McQueen is playing a title character very much inspired by Dave Toshi.
One of my favorite films. I usually watch this and “No Country For Old Men” multiple times a year.
"it's harder knowing than not knowing" - SO true in the context of when Dasha said that. Perfect way to sum that up
As with Gone Girl, it's long for a thriller, but it maintains a good pace.
My sister purchased the book that came out in the 90’s and became OBSESSED with this case. She kept reading more and more books about the Zodiac killer. We live in the SF Bay Area so this investigation hits close to home. For awhile she stopped with the books, then this movie comes out and she gets obsessed again. 😂
The creepy guy towards the end of the film who takes Robert (Gyllenhall) into the basement was played by Charles Fleischer...who was the voice actor for Roger Rabbit in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
I grew up about 10 minutes away from Lake Berryessa (the spot where he wore the hood). I got a copy of the Graysmith book in the mid 90s when I was 15 or 16 and I read the whole thing in one night. At one point, I put it down to go to bed, but I was so intrigued and also creeped out that I couldn’t sleep at all, so I turned the light back on and kept reading until I finished it.
I actually have both books Robert Graysmith wrote on Zodiac. It's insane what all happened in the search and aftermath
I read the first one...the craziest thing in it was the fact that he actually went back to Vaughn's house a second time, even after the weird business in the basement. The guy really was obsessed. I remember hearing him say somewhere that after seeing the movie, he understood why his marriage failed.
Hi, one of my favorite movies of all time has a young Jake Gyllenhaal it's called "October Sky". This would be a good month to check it out if you get time. Basically a science film based on true events and inspired by the Soviet satellite Sputnik.. Not a very popular movie, but almost all of the reviews absolutely love this film. Well thanks for your time and take care!
I still can't believe that the creepy guy who takes Robert down into his basement is the guy who voiced Roger Rabbit.
I grew up less than a mile/kilometer from where the Blue Rock Springs & probably a mile or so from the Lake Herman murders happened. The Zodiac still comes up in conversation occasionally around here.
One of the other Zodiac ciphers was just broken a year or two ago too. Still didn't give a name.
Early happy birthday to our lovely Dasha, the most stunning pearl of Mother Russia!!! 🥰🫶🏼
For myself i really love this film and have watched it many times,Having been born and raised in CA ,hearing about the Zodiac most of my life , I started reading about him in my late teens, it was what introduced me to the true crime genre.A little fact , the actress who played the woman jumping from the car with her baby, that is Ione Skye and her dad (Donavan) is the one that sang the song from the first killing in the film, Hurdy Gurdy Man.The author on the books they used a lot of the material from is Greysmith which Gyllenhaal plays in the film, the suspect in the film was his favorite choice on who the killer was, but there was a lot of suspects that had a lot of weird ties to things that could have made them the killers and they all equally had things that didnt match up.
I’m from the Bay Area. This was before I was born. Yeah he has never been caught. They did look at the guy again that was named in the end of this movie but they had nothing to truly charge him.
Great film!
Incidentally, the caller into the live talk show on TV was NOT the real Zodiac.
A really good movie based on The Most Dangerous Game is "Surviving The Game" starring Ice-T, Rutger Hauer and Gary Busey.
This movie strongly captures the public mood of bewilderment in the SF bay area of the 1970s- I was a local kid at the height of Zodiac mania and all the other bizarre crimes that haunted the region in that decade. It was an insane time. Season Of The Witch.
I luv this movie! It has suspenseful scenes and leaves you guessing if lee was the zodiac? We'll never know but this is still a great movie and telling of the whole incident! Leaves you with the creeps! Great reaction! Luv ya Dasha ❤💛
The killer's identify was revealed a couple years ago. He died like 4 years ago. He spent rest of his life as a house painter and taught people he knew how to hunt and kill things
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The killers identity has never been conclusively settled.
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area around this time and, even as a small child, I remember people talking about the killings and seeing scary looking magazine covers in the newsstands.
Grew up in the East Bay and was in high school during this time. Movie definitely captures the creepy vibe.
If you look at the movie you see the color yellow, but you see it in canary, gold, marigold, and basically every hue of yellow throughout the film indicating that the zodiac is right under their nose but they never notice it. It's especially seen when zodiac is actually active
How does the color yellow indicate that about the Zodiac? Also, basically every Fincher film has that color palette...it's his trademark style.
This film introduced the 'Herdy Gerdy man' song to me.
The song was by an artist named Donovan, and his daughter appears in the film as the woman whose car is tampered with by maybe/maybe not the Zodiac.
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks Ah, that's really interesting trivia, thank you!
forgot the actor who plays Mark Ruffalo's partner is Anthony Edwards aka Goose from Top Gun
He played a likeable Dr. on "E.R." - Mark Green I think was the name.
Not true crime, but Angel Heart is a great mystery, suspense thriller. Kinda like Seven meets the Usual Suspects...
Very underrated film, like most of Alan Parker's movies.
@@norwegianblue2017 It's not underrated, just under-viewed. I've rarely heard a negative word about it from those who've seen it.
Hey Dasha looking beautiful as always. Another really good movie based on a true story and hasn't been solved and also in San Francisco is Escape from Alcatraz starring Clint Eastwood...😘😍🥰
'Girl With The Dragon Tattoo' was one of Fincher best too ,, really F'N sucks he couldn't work out a deal to direct the other 2 movies based on those books
The tense moment at the strange poster guy's house really falls flat once you realize it's an unsolved case and the movie can't really confirm anyone to be the Zodiac. Which also creates the issue of the story never feeling resolved. Especially if its claim is that it is, "based on actual case files." Which it isn't. According to Wikipedia, it claims the movie is based on "nonfiction books." So they should've dropped the claim at the beginning and gone the _From Hell_ route. Which is a nonfiction thriller about Jack the Ripper, another unsolved case from 19th century England.
There are still some of the Zodiac’s ciphers that haven’t been solved, although some people have claimed that they did, but those claims have been disputed by the police.
The reason for the letters, phone calls, and ciphers, were believed to be just ways for the Zodiac to mess with the police, but since they have never been caught, we don’t really know the reason(s) why they did it.
No apologies needed for your reaction. It was a genuine reaction. We could all see that, I'm sure.
i think fincher or the writers of the movie were good in making the projectionist guy as a possibility , the way they showed (and heard) his car was basically identical to the car that the zodiac used ... just good directing storytelling when all leads were to Allen but out of nowhere you have this other guy who it could of also been
Dasha, that actor John Carroll Lynch is the same guy who was the barber in Gran Torino.
Also check out Memories of Murder (2003), the movie that inspired Zodiac
Keep up the great work Dasha!
the zodiac will have a hard time with dasha chasing him !!!! that's our super girl !!!! lol 😅🤣😉😊🥰😍
One of my favorites! Glad you watched
Happy birthday!🎉
That's the actual Vallejo PD office they used, i was surprised by that. It looks exactly the same today. I lived next door. It wasn't Arthur Leigh Allen, it's been proven by dna. I also stalked him at the Ace Hardware where he worked when I went there because several cops I knew, high up, told me it was him.
Great reaction!!
Good movie to watch is the heavily referenced "The Most Dangerous Game" (1932), with Joel McCrea, Fay Wray & Leslie Banks. I don't know if that is available for streaming. The British company, Masters of Cinema, just put out a 2k scan of the movie for home video use (I want that, but I think that I need to get a region free blu-ray player).
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Good one, Dasha! 🙂
I really enjoyed this movie more than expected considering I already knew the Zodiac was never caught in real life. But it kept the suspense going and the theory of who it was, was interesting.
i always thought there was 2 people. One person was doing the killings and another was writing the letters.
Good review 😊
Oh yes this movie is great i remember when i watched it back in the day
Hey! My hometown Vallejo!
Another horror film based on real events, The Serpent and the Rainbow. I recommend it if you can see it this month.
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. It never gets old.
After watching her reactions for about a year I guess it's time to Sub.
I'm kidding!
Her movie selection is great.
Still no one has done "Alive", "White Squall" or "Miracle Mile".
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I still remember the Zodiac's letter that said "School children make nice targets, I think I shall wipe out a school bus some morning. Just shoot out the front tire & then pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out" and how scared I was for my little sister.
A few years later, as part of a project for a my psychology class, I talked with one of the detectives (can't remember if it was Toschi or Armstrong - I think it was Armstrong) about the case. I remember how shocked my mom sounded when I came home, and she told me a police detective called the house asking for me.
You should see what Edmund Kemper did. I went to UC Santa Cruz. Banana slug.
Thanks!
I think this one has Dermot Mulroney. I think that's him. It might be Dylan McDermott.
Cartoonism lol she cracks me up keep making videos
All of the People I grew up with had connections to the case. I used to spy on Arthur Leigh Allen at ace hardware on Tennessee st when he worked there. My friends dad, a cop, was convinced it was him as well as my brother in law a high up state investor. I was just a teenager.
You should check out 2001 horror film called “From Hell”. The film stars Johnny Depp as Inspector Abberline a police officer trying to catch Jack the Ripper.
Enjoyed your reaction! ❤
Forgot a McBoyle was in this. 😅
David......Fincher....
If you want to watch a REALLY bonkers white collar true (maybe?) crime movie, please watch The Informant!
Hi Dasha. You look lovely today.
And that is why every young woman should learn enough of the basics of Brazilian Jiujutsu to break contact and run the fastest 400m dash of her life. I give all my nieces a copy of "Gracie Women Empowered" instructional videos when they get a place of their own.
Great movie!
It was not Arthur Lee Allen
I thought this was a really well done movie. But I skip over the picnic stabbing.
As for Allen living within a few blocks of the first victim, I think a serial killer's first victim tends to be someone who lives nearby. And with the murders being spread out so much, the first killing being close to where the killer lived at the time is VERY compelling evidence.
It seems that the 1960s-1980s was the age of the serial killers in the U.S. I mean, they have been around from a long time but it seems that there were a great number of them active in this time. The Zodiac, The Golden State Killer, BTK, The Nightstalker, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Son of Sam, The Hillside Stranglers, The Boston Strangler, Jeffery Dahmer, and that's not even half the ones just in the U.S. alone.
I was thinking about that recently. No cameras on every street back then. I wonder if that's why there are more mass killings/shootings these days, rather than sk's; they're more likely to be caught now.
You should watch The Game 1997 from the same director.
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Love Zodiac. Great movie also I'm 48 & the 70s looked exactly like this. So nostalgic.
Hi there Dasha, cool reaction as always, you have a great weekend sweetie 🥰❤️
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you should do a react to the Dexter series
altho the movie has an unsatisfying ending, i really like it for the atmosphere and detail FIncher put in this one. He is always meticulous, but i can almost breathe the movie
I think it's more that reality had an unsatisfying ending to this event. They had the class to just stick to what really happened instead of making up a happy ending.
I actually love the ending.
Awesome reaction, can you please watch a movie called MONEYBALL.
Great Reaction Dasha! Zodiac is a solid movie, but Arthur Leigh Allen is probably not the actual Zodiac.
Dave Toschi as late as 2010 still felt that Allen was the killer.
I heard that after the release of this movie the Zodiac case got reopened.
This movie along with David Fincher's Se7en are two movies that are similar to The Batman (2022) which I would reccomend because it not only has the vibe of a superhero action flick but also a murder mystery vibe so pretty much a "Detective Batman"
Dog only alerts you to the problem,Dasha. You need AK to solve it.😁
I suspect that the Zodiac was a Russian. 😛
Scary fact: if the Zodiac were 25 when he committed his first murder, he'd be 80 years old today.
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Now you should watch DIRTY HARRY
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Nobody could possibly fathom that the two guys with a wealth of evidence against them were working together?
Charles Manson was also in northern California around this time, but it's obvious Arthur Leigh Allen was at least one of the killers.
Most things about the film are hyper focused on being a recreation of events, right down to who they cast for the bit parts - if you compare between actor and real life counterpart, you can tell that this case was Fincher's wheelhouse.
Don't agree though with how the killings were portrayed. If anything most of them come across as hyper stylized with the angles, slow-mo, music, etc. I get why, so as to get the most emotional impact for the audience. To me though, they border on almost glamorizing them like a music video, which is gross. There were other ways to portray the gravity and evil of the acts without all the CGi and music - _without actually seeing the act_ - while still keeping the documentary realism. Fincher just likes him his up-close blood and gore like it's a Carl's Jr. commercial.
You recognized mark ruffalo but not gyllenhaal
Not Finchers best movie.
What's his best?
Not this. :)
Dunno. Maybe Se7en or Fight Cllub.
I like zodiac more because its more interesting that its based on a true story and being set in the 1960s is cool to see
almost certainly his best and certainly his most ambitious and most classy movie by a long shot, it's not even close - no one with taste even thinks differently
I think it might be tbh. The way it deals with obsession, the passage of time, the intricacies of police work , the elegant transition showing the construction of the tower - it's slower paced, but masterful.
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Dog only alerts you to the problem,Dasha. You need AK to solve it.😁