Note 1: Hey y’all! I would like to sincerely apologize to anyone who may have been hurt or offended with the food section of the video. The honest truth is that when I recorded that part, like many other parts of the video, it was after a long day of work and I was just being lazy. I’m not used to making long videos like this and I wanted to give up plenty of times because I wanted to address so many things and I didn’t want to post it if wasn’t good enough. It doesn’t change the fact that it is already out there but I would still like to apologize for the diabetic comment - I only used it because I was going to reference another movie that showed the darker sides of teenage parenting. Still, I messed up and should have been more careful and it won’t happen again. In passing I would also like to apologize for using A*******’s syndrome when talking about Paris. It also was never to offend or hurt anyone and I honestly had no idea up until the comments that this was no longer acceptable. As I mentioned at the end of video, the comment section is open for educating, constructive criticisms and discussions. I am fully aware that this is the internet and people get mad about lots of dumb things but I can admit when I messed up and this is me saying that I’ve heard, I’ve understand and I’ve learned. Anyway to all those giving me love ,thank you so much, I am looking forward to making many more of these and making them better as I go. ❤️🥰
Hey Just finished listening to your analysis. And I loved it! We have some of the same views on the characters. But you nailed it when you speak of the details the writers incorporate that makes the show different to anything ever produced for TV. And you bring up a great point about how some characters change to fit what is to come. I also re-watch to relax. Because somehow it always feel like you are returning to your home/town/family. LOL 😊
Really loved the video! As you say at the end there’s never been a show like this is really unique. The thing that I loved the most was watching it with my mom when It came out on Warner Channel. By then I was just a teenager so I found more interesting Rory's stories while my mom prefered Lorelai's. By the time the revival came I already was living on my own place and was weird to watch the Gilmore Girls without her. Anyway I love my mom and I love the memories of watching this mother and daughter together.
@Vierka Chora its a show from the year 2000, obviously is not the same watching it 22 years later 🤷🏻♀️ it was written for an audience from another time.
Hi. Not sure if I have gotten to the food part slash diabetes comment part yet. I have been watching on and off throughout the last couple days. But as a type 1 diabetic, I will say don't let the commentors bully you into apologizing if you linked poor diet and diabetes. People need to relax when it comes to some things. For example some people are even sensitive about the term diabetics, so they use the word diabetes. Because diabetic means that is all they are. You see where I'm going with this. People are always going to complain. Make all the jokes and witty repertoire you want about diabetes. As some one who shoots up 4 times a day, I say people need to apologize for being so sensitive.
I'm about 50 odd minutes in. So far I like your character analysis. I don't know if you'll mention it. But I think the Netflix season is more grounded in reality. While the TV show has some fantastical elements that are close to magic realism. I have seen and agree with a fan theory. That the book at the end of the Netflix that Rory wrote is the TV show. Explains why her mom was upset at what she wrote as she wasn't a fan of the embellishments. Like the talk with Rory and when she's going on a date. Rory embellishing it with her Mom being so candid about sex. I can see why a mother would be upset at that depiction.
@eleanorconnor4373 right? Longer hair like early on or in s7 looks so much better on her I hated that haircut and now even more cause I associate it with the death cheating thing😂
It will always annoy me how they had Lane fight so hard for dreams only to get married and pregnant and stay in Stars Hollow. They couldn't give her a successful career as a music teacher at Chilton or something?? Also I really like the plotline where Rory dropped out of Yale- it was nice to see her relaxed and behaving like a typical 18 y/o. Her character was wildly insufferable towards the end though.
I’m still super pissed Lane ended up selling things at Kim’s Antiques!!! She and the guys could have taken over the music store or started a night club if they HAD to stay in Stars Hollow. They were so lazy with her and I’m mad right now about it 😆😡
But not all smart and talented women want successful careers, and that's okay. It's a little tiresome that women are perceived as successful only when they get to have a "dream job". I think that the whole point in Lane's storyline is that she was trying to rebel when deep inside her she agreed with her mom more than her teenage pride allowed her to admit. Remember when she decided to stay virgin until marriage? That was all her, SHE decided to do that, which to me clearly represents the freedom to choose that women have today. I think that her fight and struggles had more to do with her proving herself that she could indeed make a choice (and of course, her genuine love for music) instead of being forced onto something just because tradition and customs say so. And, again, having a family and raising children can be pretty cool too. Obviously I could be wrong in my interpretation but this is how I understood it.
Rory, Lorelai, and Emily I think are a good example of generational trauma. Literally the saying "I won't mess my kids up the way my parents did me....I'll mess them up in new and different ways." Lorelai was too lacks in disciplining Rory because she was too busy giving her daughter all the love and affection she craved but never got. Emily was raised in a distant way very firmly and had what she saw as a successful life ignoring the fact that many of her friends did the same only to suffer under cruel, cheating husbands so she tried to mold Lorelai in her image thinking it would afford her the same success only to get a daughter as strong willed as both her parents. It'd be interesting in a few years to see what kind of parent Rory turns out to be. Given how we see her with Paris' children my money would be on a distracted narcissistic one who thinks she's giving her child the space she didn't really get with a mother who was constantly in her life when she's really neglecting them leaving her mother to step in with affection the same way Rory's grandparents stepped in with discipline.
agreed. I thought Emily was the worst until we met her mother. ironically played by possibly one of the best TV moms ever, Mrs. Cunningham from happy days lol
I love your take. After the revival I noticed a big shift in the fandom towards having sympathy for Emily and ire for Lorelai. Further rewatches showed me that as flawed as she was Lorelai showed immense patience with Emily's spiteful and narcissistic side. ASP did a fab job of portraying how the problems in one generation can boomerang down through the next and the one after that and the one after that.
I agree, Jess became too good for Rory. That "why did you drop out of Yale" was probably my favorite scene in the show and was a great reality check for Rory. Also, I knew Rory wouldn't be a good journalist after that ballet review. As a journalism major, I don't have a problem with what she wrote but a good journalist sticks to their instincts, and Mitchum (and Doyle) knew she didn't have that.
I hated Rory and Jess as a couple, Jess' life was an explanation for his earlier behaviour but not an excuse, so many people online gloss over his asshole behaviour but I agree, I loved Jess as a character because he actually went away and bettered himself. He dealt with his issues and I don't think that ever would have happened if Rory had stayed with him, not only because he wouldn't have had the space to, but because I don't think she would have encouraged him to. He was so shitty to everyone in her life and made no effort with her but she never really confronted that, she let it all slide because he was 'different' with her. I think if Rory had met Jess after his self-improvement, he would have been a good influence on her but really, you're right that he kinda became too good for her. He matured so much and she was still so immature, having run away from home and dropping out of Yale and being the epitome of priveleged. I would have loved to see more of older Jess but he was better off being out of her life tbh. The WHY DID YOU DROP OUT OF YALE is so satisfying, not only because it puts Rory back on track, but it shows us that even Jess, the reckless angsty boy who would have probably encouraged her to leave in the past, has come so far and even he knows she is making a poor decision.
@@yonk lol what’s funny is that he did ask her to drop out. I think in season 4 he asked her to run away with him. Then 2 seasons later he gives Rory the best monologue in the shows history.
@@fifimimikiki6747 He does! He comes to her first year dorm and asks her to leave with him. He was at peak pathetic in that moment and I love his arc from that moment to understanding that that would have been awful for both of them and that she would be stupid to drop out. That was a perfect full circle moment actually. They kinda traded places, she would never have dropped out for him then but when they meet again, she almost looks to him for the encouragement and is shocked to not recieve it.
I'm not a journalism major, but what also stuck out to me about her whole journalism dream career is that i never got the feeling that she ever actually had something to *say* . Like, she just kept repeating she wants to be a journalist, wants to travel around and write...but i never got a reason why, it felt like for her it didn't really matter *what* she would write about, just that she could be successful, be featured in the New Yorker, and be the "best" at it.
for kirk, he's more than just comedic relief. this guy have a hundreds different kind of job and his jobs always blue collar one. this makes me think that kirk is basically that everyday guy that's forgettable but actually very hardworking, talented, reliable, and surprisingly funny
Hmm, I had a different take. At the end we discover that he’s actually in possession of a TON of money (I think it was close to a million dollars?) so I wasn’t sure what to do with that info. It was when Luke wanted to buy the house for himself & Lorelai & Kirk tried to buy it instead (kind of a d*ck move, so I didn’t think Kirk was actually all that nice. After Luke basically begged him, he gave in & gave up the property) I think?) but by then, I had gotten annoyed by his shenanigans.) So he never actually needed the money, which makes some of his anxiety-ridden business ventures…I guess…quirky? I’d say, if anyone is the “everyday guy who is reliable,” that would be Luke. They even refer to him as “old reliable, dependable Luke” at one point. Also, in the earlier episodes, Kirk tried his darndest to hook up with Lorelai, went on an absurdly odd date on her. I dunno, just gave me an odd feeling. Glad he eventually found Lulu, but that was way later. That may just have been the writers’ effort to make Lorelai seem super desired by all the men, but they’re so deeply incompatible that it just felt unnecessary, like a major reach by the writers. I was okay with him the first watch-through or two, but after that, I find myself skipping past a handful of his segments. Though I did enjoy the deeeeeply creepy film noir moment he had 😆 to me, that was one of the only truly comedic thing he did, other than the time he ran around naked. Oh, and I did adore his contribution to the final ep of the Netflix 4-part update. Won’t say how it ended in case some haven’t seen it! So yeah, those 3 moments are great, I would have cut out most of the rest of Kirk. To each, their own!
@@Liolia22 When he wanted to buy the house I'm pretty he only had $250,000 stashed away. While still a pretty chunk of change, he only had it because he was constantly working 100 jobs for years while saving on things like rent since he lived with his mother. And unlike other characters, he'd yet to properly put his money into bigger long term investments like property which is why he had all of that cash at hand. While I think Kirk could be super annoying at times, from his point of view he wanted a house so he could finally move out of his mom's basement, begin a life with his girlfriend, and start making more adult decisions about how he saved his money. As a non-viewer there was no way for him to understand the crazy rationale behind Luke's desperation to buy that specific house
@@kyndramb7050 me too ! I related to him a lot growing up lol I'm autistic and he seemed to me to have many autistic/neurodivergent traits Like lack of interpreting social cues etc
I totally agree with the Lane bit! I thnk Rory's whole arc was already a groundbreaking "life doesnt turn out as you would have liked" to be and crushing expectations in the audience minds, but Lane should've been the very realistic example of a lot of very opressed kids that escape from their houses and finally gets their dreams in a realistic way. Of course she probably wouldn't have become a rockstar, but probably a succesful producer or something related to music. But something.
I was also kinda bothered by the fact that Lane resisted Ms. Kim so much and when she finally gets to be free she barely gets to enjoy it. I like the first arch where she's working hard and dealing with the hard part of being on your own, also love the part where she and Ms. Kim develop a good relationship, but Lane deserved to make her life good in her own terms, get wherever she wanted to being free of everything she fought so hard against. I wanted to she Lane being a great musician, and find herself a career on the industry she loves so much.
@@giovannapalmeira8011 When you grow up in a poor family's if you have some money sometimes you can continue have a little thinking of poverty and try to save money. I think this is happening. Maybe Lane can go to therapy and work on herself.
she did try to tell everyone it wasn't Jess's fault they didn't believe her. Don't blame Rory for something she did it's not her fault that no-one believed her.
You are not paying attention and what's to blame Rory for something hse didn't do. Just like every other Jess fan who blames Rory for stupid and pittu reasons.
Rory wasn't raised to take personal responsibility. It's hard to own up to a situation when you are not taught how. Rory's whole life she is looked as a perfect angel throught her mother's eyes as well the other people around her.
While Lorelai and Rory are both semi-equally flawed characters, I think Lorelai’s more likeable because she is more self aware about her mistakes and flaws, Rory just thinks she’s perfect and never apologizes for anything she does, she hurt so many people that loved her like her mom and Dean and sometimes her grandparents and she just didn’t care. Even Emily and Paris are more likeable because they know they can be abrasive and strict and whatever, Rory’s just very stuck up.
Lorelai raised rory in very sheltered enviroment, rory is the way she is bc how she was raised. lorelai is more self aware bc she got pregnant at 16 in the mid 80s and hed to grow and face the consequences of her actions, rory never really had to. how can you grow when you never have to? it's the situation we can't escape, the things we don't want to do (but have to) that makes us what we are, it's what builds character. In the end i think it's the whole point of rory's pregnancy at the end of the revival
I think it’s easy to let your opinions get too extreme. Rory definitely did care about the things she did. Remember when she apologized at Dean’s window? Or cried outside after sleeping with Dean? And when she missed her mums graduation ACCIDENTALLY she apologized so much and clearly felt bad
I used to hate Rory's character, especially how she was portrayed in the revival, but then I read "Bad Feminist" by Roxane Gay. She talks about how women in TV shows and movies are expected to be perfect, and if they have flaws and are "bad" people, we hate their character, but there are often male characters who are scumbags that we love despite their flaws because they're an interesting character. That made me realize that what I hated about Rory was that she wasn't perfect like she was supposed to be. From listening to your review, I think its a really good point for why viewers end up hating her. She's the "perfect girl", so ends up disappointing all of us when she's a flawed person who makes bad decisions and doesn't show growth. We can love Lorelai and Emily through their flaws because they were never portrayed as perfect people, so we appreciate their growth as signs that they are actually good or at least trying to be. Same with Jess: he's always been a jerk so when he becomes a decent person by the end we can say he's not so bad, but Rory almost regressed to be a worse person if we value her character based on how much growth she had.
I definitely agree that she’s human and that she should be allowed to make mistakes. I can’t blame or judge anyone for liking Rory because as you said she’s not a bad person. And people like mean characters all the time , so Rory is not a character I would ever judge someone for liking. My only thing with Rory was that even at 32 years old she was still doing the same things she was doing when she was 19. Her being lost and confused about what to do with her life was more than understandable it’s the other stuff that just didn’t help lmao 🤣 . But yeah I completely agree with you - female characters always get it harder (good old misogyny for ya 😭😭)
@@TheVhsTapeYT yeah! I agree the lack of growth of her character in the revival was really disappointing. And I think you're right that why it was like that was because ASP just wanted to make the final season of Gilmore Girls that she had originally planned but it just didn't make sense that all the characters picked up exactly where they left off. But no, Rory in the revival is such an inconsiderate person it's astonishing. Especially how she treats Paul. She kind of did the same thing to Dean when she liked Jess but I think she was genuinely in denial of her feelings for him back then, but at 32 she just doesn't like her boyfriend but refuses to break up with him because she literally forgets he exists lmao. ASP really thought that bit would land differently than it did.
about the "scumbag males" part: there's a BIG portion of the GG fandom that hates rory and only ever talks about her partners. i think that applies well to the concept of the book you mentioned.
Referring to the OG series, when you drop the need for Rory to be commendable/a role model, I started enjoying later seasons Rory because her flaws resonated with me. And I took her character progression as the practical outcome of being sucked into the privileged white world. But it's also hard to see the downfall; from down to earth and patient to spoiled and unaware.
I'm so glad somebody else clocked the transformation of Dean. He went from someone who was not as academically intelligent as Rory but still fairly smart, somewhat well read and clearly possessing a lot of mechanical and practical intelligence (because he re-built a car at 16 years old) to a blithering incoherent idiot just to have us root for Rory to gaslight him and get with Jesse.
not to mention in s1 of the show before they started dating, dean was a borderline stalker. He said that he would watch her read, and that wasn't given much attention because it was in such a short scene, but he was a weird kid. He was attatched to rory while they were together,(the first time) and pined after they were done. However, it was also messed up on both ends once jess entered the picture, but i'm not getting into that.
I didn't like him when he was with Rory, but when he was married I saw some of his better side- I mean obviously I wouldn't call cheating on your wife a positive character arc, but I did notice that when Dean got mad or he made a mistake he would actually apologize. I think he did mature a little.
Right!!! He even started going on the path of feeling menacing and borderline abusive towards Rory??? Like... where did that come from??? The way Rory was SCARED of his reaction to the Jesse accident and not just because she had to sorta admit she was emotionally cheating, but because she was scared of him PHYSICALLY LASHING OUT??? And it was so obvious they wrote him that way all just so that we would start rooting for Jesse instead of him 😪
We wouldn't have wanted Jess if they didn't make Dean less likeable. And some of us still didn't like Jess, we just left hating both options. It also didn't help that by around season 3 (2005) he got a starring role on another show. Though filmed in the same area/lots it was getting harder to keep him so they were trying to write him off. Each time they tried it didn't do well with ratings, so they basically used him for character assassination making him feel like he was around more and more important without him having to have as much air-time. It is a classic tactic used when characters are on multiple shows because the high drama helps you forget just how little they were actually featured in the episode. It also lets them plan a few episodes in advance and bulk shoot over 1 or 2 days. If Dan hadn't joined the OC which filmed super far away they'd probably have destroyed him too.
I was always annoyed by how Rory treated her boyfriend Paul in the revival, when he seemed to be a perfectly nice guy. Then I realised that Rory was so used to being fawned all over by everyone in her small town, and when she wasn't doing well with her journalism career, she used Paul as a crutch to boost her own spirits.
@badwolf7850 honestly, no one would want to be treated like that irl, so especially nobody would want to see characters they love treating someone so cruelly outright. I can see why the characters did it ( like og comment said using him as a crutch) but then why were we supposed to laugh at him??
Hated what they did to her in the revival and they tried to make everyone's treatment of Paul a joke that's not funny to treat anyone like that luke and lorelai was just as bad as well.
I always thought the Paul thing might have been an inside joke that went on too long. Alexis's real life husband's middle name is Paul and I can't help but wonder if that is why the writers thought the whole name forgetting thing was so funny.
I don’t love the age difference between Paris and Asher, but their relationship made allot of sense to me. Think about it, Paris’s parents are almost completely absent from the show, we see her mom once in season 1 for a very brief scene and she’s actively criticizing Paris’s skin and overall appearance, we NEVER see her Dad, and we only hear about her parents a hand full of times throughout the course of the show after that. They don’t even show up for her high school graduation, remember how shocked and amazed she was after spending Christmas with Jamie and his family? She calls Lorelai “the closest thing I have to a mother outside of Nanny” in AYITL which is shocking to Lorelai because they really haven’t spent all that much time together. Paris is STARVED for parental love and approval, it makes perfect sense to me that she would fall in love with someone like Asher, who is 1) a parent 2) a teacher 3) an older individual who’s more mentally compatible with her. Asher was able to provide Paris with the emotional support, acceptance and approval that she never received from her own parents. Is the relationship inappropriate and low key/high key creepy? Sure. But we often seek in our partners all the things we got or never got from our parents, so parental love starved Paris dating a much older man makes 100% sense for her character, and I think in some ways, adds some depth to her character
I must agree with this, it's not at all weird that young people on those years after finishing high school date much older people. No matter how much I find it cringe worthy, many of my college friends did it.
It definitely makes sense for Paris to date an older guy since she starved from her parents approval. But it's still maximum creepy for an older men (who is mature enough to have the responsibility to say no), simply taking advantage of an clearly unstable (and therefore open for manipulation) young girl like Paris. This "relationship" should have been at least portrayed as questionable in the show. Because otherwise it's just as always in the media, fetishizing and normalizing the "underage school girl dates her much older teacher" trope". Which encourages the normalization of unhealthy power imbalances, this is not an eye to eye "relationship".
@@marianonseq472 eh that's not weird but it is weird that much older people are so open to dating young people fresh out of high school. that aspect is the strangest, most uncomfortable part of it [to me].
30:10 You gotta understand the that mansion for Lorelei was a Skinners box of torture One of my favorite, and saddest , details of the show was when Emily, Rory, and Lorelei go to Mia's wedding, and they are standing outside the house and Lorelei lets herself in. Emily is aghast at the informality, but Lorelei says something like Mia wants people to feel at home. And then you remember that, in every single Friday night dinner, Lorelei Knocked and waited outside, as way to express that this house was no longer her home. Emily was surprised that Lorelei let herself into Mia's place, which means that Lorelei was telling Emily exactly how she felt every Friday and it went right over her head.
this was an excellent observation. I always wondered why they rang the bell friday nights, and didn’t use a key to her parents family home. I did notice when Lorelai let herself in that night she came over to bring Rory’s clothes when she was pissed at them during the court case timeframe.
about paris and rory's relationship; YES. i thought i was the only one whi felt bad for paris that she was the only one who considered rory her best friend meanwhile rory didn't even consider paris near the best friend aspect at all. i think i remember in one of the episodes where someone referred to paris as rory's bestfriend and rory was just like "...yeah... i guess she's my best friend..." like i genuinely felt bad for paris 😭
Paris treated Rory very poorly, even whe they were already friends. I like their relationship but I also think this is unfair we wanting Rory treat Paris like her best friend when Paris was very unstable.
Yes, yes, yes. She always talks about her like she is not a friend. When she meets those two girls in college Olivia and what’s her name, they are super fascinated by Paris and instead of having pride and saying that is my friend, she says we went to high school together. What? Girl you are living with her and you are FRIENDS. There are so many instances of that. It annoys me so much because Paris is very loyal to her. Well except for the one time she kicked her out 😂
I don’t know why people think they’re best friends so much when they seemed more like frenemies. I’m already on season 4 at episode 2 where Rory doesn’t even want Paris as a roommate in Yale and i honestly don’t blame her with the way she treated her in Chilton. I don’t get peoples love for Paris in general. Especially people who say they want someone like her as a friend in real life😓
my favourite guy for rory was definitely logan because he did something dean and jess couldn’t. he thought he didn’t deserve rory and for that reason he didn’t pursue her or make her uncomfortable and only got together with her because she wanted to. he was respectful of her life, understanding how important her mum was to her and how important the town of stars hollow was to her too. unlike dean and jess, he wasn’t looking in on the rich world he was looking in on the small town charm world from the rich word, he also reminds me a lot of lorelai, they both come from rich families whose views they don’t agree with, we’re quite reckless teenagers and fast talkers. lorelai found her way out while logan didn’t however. rory didn’t go and fall in love with a man who reminded her of her father. she went and found someone who loved her strongly, unconditionally like her mother, someone who reminded her of her mother. i also think that dean was rory’s christopher. BOTH parents idea of a perfect boyfriend, the first love, the first sexual partner, the man both gilmore girls keep running to despite knowing how wrong he is for them and the man who ultimately they’ll always love because he’s what safe feels like.
That's an interesting twist to say Dean is Rory's Christopher) And Logan's part made me laugh a bit because I remembered he came to Lorelei asking for a permission to propose to Rory, so old school. I guess what makes Lorelei a good mother is that she accepted all Rory's boyfriend - not approved but accepted her daughter and her relationships
Nah I don’t like him. He wasn’t a good influence on her at all really. In relationships or in real life. Jess may have made some mistakes but he always pushed her to follow her passions and be real with herself.
SpaceFoxx I feel like Logan loved her unconditionally but was supportive to a fault. He never really clocked Rory the way she needed when she needed it. He was still my favorite for her, though, especially with how much he grew later on. I don’t really get the Jess love. I feel like we didn’t see enough of Jess and Rory together, especially as a functional couple, for me to really have any strong feelings about it. It just felt like a blip to me with how brief it was in comparison to the rest of the show.
@SpaceFoxx i actually think jess was so fixed on being with the rory he knew, seventeen year old rory who took no risks and was content in her little stars hollow life that he never accepted the fact that she might’ve grown and moved on without him (like when he begged her to run away with him and was so upset when she said no). to me he feels like the ancient ex who pops up every now and then claiming to know you better than anyone but really they know the you you were when you were with them which was a hell of a long time ago and you’ve changed and grown since then.
I highly disagree that Mrs. Kim did not engage in abusive parenting tactics with Lane. She controlled EVERY aspect of Lane's life, and Lane could not be herself for the first 18 or so years of her life. When Lane's secret life was revealed, she was shunned and kicked out. Lane wasn't allowed to eat normal food. She didn't get to go out to the things other kids did. She didn't get to choose a college she liked. Lane lived with so much more stress and fear than she needed to bc of how controlling Mrs. Kim was. Controlling every aspect of what a kid does, who she dates, what she eats, what she can watch and listen to, and reacting with extreme punishment whenever those rules are violated, so that the kid is living in constant fear, is abuse to me.
@@joeymorini7685 maybe she didnt know bc she punished and intimidated lane for any way that she strayed from her path? lane was punished if she ate the wrong food, if she wanted to date a non-korean, etc so you can't really complain that you didn't know your kid was hiding anything if you intimidated them from doing/being anything else besides what you wanted lmao
She’s a tiger mom. And while is somewhat exaggerated. It’s very present in Asian households. My boyfriend is Chinese and his grandmother is a lot like Mrs. Kim. Not like mean or anything, but it’s really just the notion of “I know best” and most of the time they do. It’s just taken to the extreme here.
There was another scene like the not rectifying paris' sexual activity after not getting into Harvard. It really bothered me that lane's first time Was such a bad experience and she got pregnant and then hated and gave up on sex. They didn't rectify that either as far as I can remember. The just smoothed into the pregnancy plot and it's a really weird message to send.
I am with you on that. I hate how the writing made it seem like if girls have sex, they should be punished. But the odd thing is Paris waited. Lane was married so they should have had good experiences. Oh wait, I think Paris had better experiences when she was with her college boyfriend so in a way, that’s good. I think Lane was young and it did not help that she became pregnant right after her first time so she never had a chance to experiment more and see the good things about it because they were so busy with the twins. However, she and Zack stayed together. They did not just say, oh the sex is bad. I am divorcing you. They had other things to fall back on (bad wording) and things that kept them together which I liked too.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Yes, even while thinking conservatively they didn't do anything wrong at the times where they were "punished" for having sex. One thing that lane said after her first time stuck with me. I don't know the exact words but she jsut said her mom was right and she should never have sex again because it is a thing that does only bringt pain and emberessment with it for girls. That all women who said they enjoyed Sex would lie. It made me really sad hearing her say that and I was waiting for a solution (they could've easily just made a scene where she tells rory that it got better after trying what worked for them) but then the pregnancy Story line came in and they plot forgot about it.
@@paula-wp1sh yeah I agree. I like to think as the kids got older and they had more date nights, they tired again and it got better. I just don’t get why they tried their first time in the worst spot imaginable, on the beach. Lane is right about saying they would be doing it in the bed from now on. I get Paris’s reason for it at first. She was focused on Harvard (wait for it) and she thought getting distracted by a boy and sex and it affected her from doing something extra (like another extracurricular or she may have got a lower grade in something) to get in. And she took it out on her having sex. I think she would have punished herself regardless for any issue. And boys use this excuse sometimes too especially in sports. They have to avoid fewer distractions so their mind is on practice in the game. So from that perspective, I see where she is coming from. From everything else, no I do not.
What's with the weird trope in TV shows that a girl has sex for the first time and gets pregnant like ik it's not uncommon but like it seems like some kind of moral highground like "it was only one time tho so she's not a slut for getting pregnant!
@@katc2040 no she was not. I am in the middle. Agree with you about the trope but I get how this could happen in real life at times. I am unsure about zack, but let’s assume he is naive about sex too. I get having two people who know little about this activity and they may have had unprotected sex or his sperm count is really good. I don’t know. Maybe the condom fell off or was not attached properly. But with you on the trope and how the situation was poorly written.
@@user-no7hz3cr9zidk about booklets but there are newer videos with some guy explaining every reference for every episode..... I've been watching them to sleep lately 😅 ruclips.net/video/dSlSViJBIKU/видео.htmlsi=mVFZD2Aw1tTx5kEn
You touched on this during the video, but I think the biggest reason why Rory turned out the way she did is because she basically grew up without parents. Everyone who wasn't Lorelai, like her grandparents and Christopher, had very little authority over her since their relationship could easily be cut off if Rory wanted. The only one who had any actual power to set her straight was Lorelai, but this whole "best friend first, mother second" thing allowed Rory to get away with horrible behavior that later on evolved into what we saw. For example, early on in the series, Rory starts snapping at everyone because she had a fight with Dean (I think they broke up or something). She not only says awful things to Lorelai (if I spoke to my mother like that I would have been slapped across the face, rightfully so) and then RUNS AWAY to her grandparents house. And what does Lorelai do after she freaked out over Rory going missing? She allows her to stay there until next morning and then comes in to talk to her all "friendly" because she believes Rory understands she did wrong. BUT SHE DOESNT, what Rory learns from this experience is that she can be horrible to everyone around her, run away from home, and have no consequences as long as she says "sorry". She doesn't even get grounded. I feel this was what contributed the most to her behavior later on, which is sad because I do believe she would have turned out better (she was a hard worker, and a kind person) if she had been set straight when she needed to be.
This is a great take wow! I agree, she threw pretty aggressive tantrums when she wouldn’t get her way but it was always portrayed as if the adults in the story were overstepping.
Definitely agree with this. I used to love their relationship but now I don’t think it is the healthiest. I think if Lorelai was a mother first, Rory might’ve turned out different.
Definitely Quite possible🤔She also experienced amazing communication with the adults in her life, which helped her to cope as an adult, it’s definitely complicated to raise any child the “right”way 😳😊I know from experience 🤣👌😳🥰
@@sarapinkandpurple that's true, I think there were certainly good sides to Lorelai's parenting, like Rory always felt confortable stating her opinion, which some with strict parents don't (since they are taught to "shut up" and listen to authority). But I think the biggest drawback was that Rory never learned how to manage her emotions correctly. In the example I gave above, it was okay for Rory to be upset about what happened with her and Dean, but it wasn't okay to be mean to everyone and run away. If Lorelai had punished her for it, Rory would have learned there is a proper way to deal with being upset or angry. Which would have helped, for example, with the whole Yale incident, she might have not responded to Mitchum's comments so extremely.
I completely agree. To add even more: the adults around her (except Charleston at the beginning) were all the time telling Rory how amazing and smart and special she was. I think somehow she bought and believed those ideas, that reinforced the privileges.
I wish you had put the Michele scene where he is delivering the CD to Lane. He runs around the block way more times than he was meant to and idk that scene always made me think Michele’s lack of wanting to help people was a front.
I agree. I think it was more so he was lazy and didn't feel like doing random favors but he cared about the people so he knew you do those things for the ones you care for.
He did tell her never to ask for his help again Edit: and remember when he was competing with Corbin, the night manager? He was so scared Lorelei and Sookie wouldn't want to continue working with him. And then he gets soooo mad when he's trying to give Luke a list of things to fix around the Inn and how he and Lorelei go to Weston's and have cake and make the list.
I don't think Richard was neutral or layed back as a father. Lorelai said herself that he demanded something from her and if she didn't come up to his standard he dropped her and lost interest because poor him was sooo disappointed. That's emotional blackmail, gaslighting and neglect. And even after all this years he hadn't changed towards his daughter. They weren't even able to have a real fight or argument because he didn't want to deal with Lorelai's different opinion. Like when the fight broke out between Richard and Straub, Lorelai thought finally, there is her father standing up for her, siding with her. She wanted to thank him for it and what did he do? He told her he did it for the Gilmore name - for his pride, his ego to tell the truth. Nice dad.
I think that's an incident of an unrealiable "narrator". Lorelai says it but that doesn't mean it's true. I think it's probably most accurate to say he expected her to live up to the standards that he expected them all to live up to and that, when she didn't, he gave up. Not that he was neutral or didn't care but that he knew it was a losing battle so didn't bother. Which, given Lorelai's stubbornness, may show how well he knew his daughter. I think the scene about protecting the Gilmore name shows a very interesting difference between Richard and Lorelai. By protecting the Gilmore name, Richard feels like he is protecting his family (which includes his daughter) and is frustrated that she can't understand why he does the things he does. Lorelai is hurt that he doesn't place her feelings above the whole family. She does seem to sort of understand after this conversation because she says something like, "I feel sad for you." Which, judging by his reaction, is unnecessary because he doesn't think of it negatively. Maybe to be more clear: Richard views protection of family from a place of practicality and social/financial stability while Lorelai views it from a place of emotional understanding and well-being. I actually really like that scene (along with many others) because, in my opinion, neither one of them are wrong they are just two people with fundamentally different ideas about what a family is. It's very clear in the scene that they both want to be understood on a deeper level by each other but just can't.
Ah that scene made me so sad because she had to listen to Straub saying that shit about her and then she thought her dad standing up for her meant he was proud of her and stuff but then he was like actually no.
I think I enjoy Luke's character so much because I was raised in a family of grumpy men who underneath the tough skin is just really selfless and sometimes really goofy and he embodies that type of person so well.
People always argue that Dean suddenly became a bad boyfriend so the show could make room for Jess, but I think the writers did a good job in sowing the seeds of Dean's downfall early. Even taking Jess out of the equation, Dean was too clingy. Lorelai chalked it up to him being so in love, but it was a real problem. Like when he decided to ambush Rory after she told him she wanted a day to herself to do homework, and that was after she promised to go out tomorrow. Or how he would blow up or blame Rory for things outside of her control. Remember when Rory was terrified over losing Dean's bracelet, not because she loved it, but because she wanted to avoid another blow up fight. As soon as she started walking on eggshells, scared of his reaction to things like that it was rightly over. He was also irrationally mad at other characters down the line like Lindsey and Luke.
But those were the things we think made him suddenly become a bad boyfriend. I personally feel like they ruined his character but also appreciated that they showed that sometimes people change and develop quirks or some just spring up as you get to know them that just make them incompatible. I watched the show as a teen and fell in love with it and Dean and then felt like the character I fell in love with was essentially written off the show. Now watching it with my kids and they love Dean and I hope they care less than I did when he changes 😂
Dean was never a good boyfriend lmao. So many people say how season 1 Dean was so good but he wasn't. He literally broke up with Rory because she didn't say I love you back. And yeah he was 16 and didn't know how to handle stuff but the same goes for Rory. Other than that he would get angry, wouldn't listen for Rory to explain herself and was clingy. He had some good moments but he was not a good boyfriend
Kirk is a great example of how a community can care for and appreciate neurodiverse people who don't fit within the traditional molds of society. I love the way that the people of Stars Hollow band together to make sure Kirk is always looked after and supported.
I don't think I ever hated Rory (except for the Revival, it was just unbelivebale). I think I learned to love her in the earlier seasons like family. Sometimes they don't behave like you want them to, but you love them trough it & hope they find the right way. In general the whole show feels like home to me. Probably because I watched it a lot in my teenage years.
Agree wholeheartedly. I don't think I ever hated anyone on the show. Didn't really find anyone annoying too often. But that also kind of mirrors how I view people who actually exist. I'm pretty forgiving of people's idiosyncrasies and flaws regardless of how close I am to them. I'm actually surprised anyone would hate the characters because of how good the writers were at giving them good and bad traits and having them react realistically to situations. Once I started pretending the revival was set just a year or so after college, I had an easier time enjoying it (even though it was hard to overlook how much everyone had aged).
Yea but with that logic you can love anyone. However considering they are fictional they should be written in a way that makes them redeemable unlike her
I think you are the first person I've heard point out that A Year in the Life feels so odd and awful because the storyline picked up where it left off, rather than where the characters would be almost a decade later. I absolutely agree, and it actually feels so obvious that I'm surprised I didn't think it until you pointed it out here. Rory struggling so much to get footing as a journalist and the sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude she has in her career would make a lot more sense as a twenty-something recently graduated at the top of her year at a top university. After almost a decade of rejection, logically she should be looking into an alternative career (such as teaching) or, at the very least, not still be believing against all evidence that she is topshit in her field. Paris and Emily are the only two whose storylines made sense for the characters at that time in their lives and I'm happy for them. Also, I think the moment I turned off Rory was when she risked going to see Jess on the day of her mother's graduation and missed the event. I kept wanting that moment to be silly, childish thing. I kept wanting her to come back from that, and was genuinely disappointed that she never did.
YES the. Reflux special destroyed t he series forever. And I hated that Lorelei never talked with Luke about children. Why not? They’ve been together for ten years. Argggg.
I just recently rewatched the whole series and re-fell in love with it after being set off kilter by the revival. I didn't understand why Rory ended up a "failure", why Lorelai and Luke were still kinda rocky, and why Rory would sleep with Logan. Then I watched the show again and it all made perfect sense the trajectory of the characters. Honestly, it's crazy how well the show runners followed through on their characterization. Because she was older than me in universe, I sometimes forgot that Rory was only a few years older than me and was experiencing the rapid proliferation of technology, the 2008 financial crisis, and intense hiring market just a few years before I would. They trickled in time stamps throughout the series of this changing world throughout the original series (the Gilmore's getting a computer and WIfi for RIchard to use at home, Luke refusing to get a cellphone, traditional newspapers figuring out whether they should go online or not, Logan's failed online startup), so of course Rory's expectations of journalism would no longer her serve her in today's environment where clickbait and hustle is king and she's still stuck on investigative rigor and a pensioned/benefited job. And it's obvious she still holds this opinion in the revival when she looks down on that Buzzfeed-esque journal to the point she doesn't even come in with ideas to the interview and expected to have the job based on name alone. I think this also plays into the fact that she wants to be like her mother. She could have easily married Logan, they could have been happy together, and she could have even taken the job following Obama's campaign knowing Logan would be there to support her. He would have had plenty of resources for her to fall back on to figure out what she really wanted at the end of that gig too. But I think she took her mother's example to heart (you can do anything, work your way up, raise a child, be independent) which is not necessarily a bad thing. Lorelai did an amazing job with what she had and she did work her way up, become a homeowner and a business owner, and raise her daughter with compassion and patience. But that's not the world Rory inherited where a single teen mom could do that on the timeline Lorleai was able to. EVen less so in the corporate or academic worlds. Today's world is really only affordable for partnerships and two incomes. I think I've gained a lot more sympathy for Rory as a fellow millenial (and one that luckily didn't have to graduate into the 2008 crisis) after my rewatch. And to answer your question, I stand by Logan being the best match for her. I find it truly sad where they are in the revival though when THEY could have been married...
this!!! that is such a perfect comment on rory’s career trajectory. i always forget how difficult the adjustment from print to online is despite wanting to be a journalist myself and growing up in the digital ended era of journalism. of course, rory’s views (bolstered by yale and her grandfather and being in a small non-metropolitan town) would be outdated and hold the expectations of traditional working and print over new-age digital ideas!
I really think Rory would have been happier and had a more stable life if she married Logan. I don’t get why she felt like she had to choose him or her career because she could easily have both.
@@emiblock3634 well, she couldn't have both really - as far as I remember, she was told by Logan's family it would be expected for his wife to perform all those high society duties, not pursuing a career of her own
i don't disagree that the revival it's a natural progression for the characters but at the same time i'm 100% sure amy palladino was just mad at s7 bc she didn't write it and wanted to shit all over it lmao
@@emiblock3634 no. Marriage don't solve anything. Marriage ia a huge commitment. Are you married. Do you really understand how hard of a commitment marriage is.
I liked Taylor a lot. He is definitely insufferable at times but he fulfilled an essential community role for everyone. Stars Hollow wouldn't have been what it was without his contributions.
I love how you underlined and talked in depth about the photography and cinematography because I feel that’s a very big part of what makes me bond with a show and makes me go back to it, as you said the first season felt like comfort because of that too. And I was so shocked in the revival because it was so different it didn’t feel like the same show. I feel that the show lost most of its warmth along the way and it’s such a shame considering how well they did it in the first seasons.
Yes absolutely!!! People talk about the plot alot which is valid, but the cinematography, set design, and lighting was SO important to me. Like sure with the revival they tried to add some warmth in it but it was lost with the set design and clothing design, everything was so perfect which is not true to life. If you look at the earlier seasons, things are messy, things have textures, so many objects are things I had in my own house but later everything started to get to primped and proper which made the show not feel true to life anymore and thus not feel relatable. Like even from the start Richard and Emily's house was always perfect and spotless but with the lighting and stuff it still made it feel homey. Like I think the best cinematography and texture of the show was honestly the pilot (even though buildings/locations were changed) it felt so real. The background characters and cars, the stuff on people lawns, how people dressed, how people decorated there houses....it all felt raw. The messy camera quality and grain really helped the show
It was just my mum and I at home after my Dad died. This show made me feel less alone being a mother/daughter team. On Saturday nights we would buy chocolate and watch the latest GG episode together. The chocolate was necessary because we knew the show would make us crave junk haha. Happy memories during hard times that I’m grateful for.
What I love the most about the show is that there is no evil. Just normal life with normal people and pretty normal issues. Characters have flaws because that's how human nature is in real life too. They make mistakes and do wrong things like everybody does. It lifts my spirit just knowing that at any time I can get hold of Gilmore Girls's life in Stars Hollow!!!
I was always really impressed with how the actor who played Emily (Kelly Bishop) looked in the flashbacks. She has such acting range that I really believed that she was older or younger depending on the time period that the show was portraying. Big props to her 👏
I got the impression that Rory’s “terror” over losing Dean’s bracelet wasn’t because she was afraid of him, but because she puts so much pressure on herself to be perfect, and by extension - the perfect girlfriend. People take Rory’s asking Dean “Are you mad?” all the time to mean that he made her nervous, but she often asked her mom the same thing. I think she prides herself on being able to keep the peace, and is quick to try and fix things whenever something rocks the boat. I think Lorelai calling Dean “the perfect boyfriend” contributes to Rory’s attempts to try and be the “perfect girlfriend” for him. And I also think it’s telling that Rory is always asking “Are you mad?” instead of “Are you mad at ME?”.
That whole thing bugged me, but maybe for different reasons. I think her panic was guilt over hanging out with Jess. If she hadn’t felt so guilty, she could have expressed her surprise that it was missing in front of Dean and then told him she would look for it. Also, she wore that bracelet every day. There’s no way she would have gone two weeks without noticing it was missing.
Luke is favorite character, he’s not perfect, but I appreciate his authenticity. He also just reminds me of a lot of men I grew up around, capable, loyal, gruff, but genuinely good. I’m also realizing that Luke Danes and Darcy apparently shaped my preferences in romantic and platonic relationships. I can’t put it better than Sondheim “Nice is different than good” and that’s exactly why I never fully embraced Christopher and Logan. Their superficial charm set off too many red flags for me. Jesse grew on me, once he dropped the defensive act. When he showed up after the Yale storyline, and was immediately having none of the bullshit. His monologue was so satisfying. I mean, Jesse bringing that reality check from the top rope.
On Luke being awkward with Lorelai, my theory is that it’s because Lorelai has a very loud and colorful personality, and Luke is very reserved, so it’s possible he felt a little intimidated by her (not in a bad way; more like “she’s so full of life, why would she ever want to be with me?” kind of thing)
Negative consequences to girls being sexually active is disturbingly common. Nancy in Stranger Things, Winona Ryder’s character in Mermaids from the 90s, and a character in JK Rowling’s The Casual Vacancy all feature a person dying or nearly doing so while a young girl was having sex, mostly for the first time. We seem to still be holding onto to old ideas about female sexuality, and if they should even have it.
@@PrincessSybilla77 Marty was too, it's like they felt compelled to make him into a jerk when he never showed any indication of that. He separated himself from Rory because he knew he caught feelings and knew he couldn't be 'just friends'. The whole pretending to not know each other arc wasn't his character, he was honest and straight forward
I read a fanfic once, where the bottom line was "and lindsay decided to remain silent" and I think.it was the saddest thing I read so far. It's german though
@@ennuiblue4295 actually there are plenty of guys like marty. Adorable and considerate at first, but when you don't match their feelings they become distant and cold. This has nothing to do with withdrawing because its healthy. He decided not to tell his girlfriend that he had a crush on Rory? How immature is that (and of rory to go with it, but we all know she seeks attention and stability from guys) and rather lied to her the whole time about even knowing her? That is someone who's ego had been hurt, but not in a good way. It's the "not so nice -nice guy". I liked it cause it showed that you can get hurt even and especially by people you thought you knew so well
While I misunderstood Ms. kim at first, I respected her as the show went on. She did not like Zack at all at first, but when she saw how much they loved each other and how much he respected Lane, she went above and beyond making sure he can provide for her daughter. And while she can be strict, there is always give and take with her. I loved that scene where Lane was happy to be standing outside on the porch which shows that Ms. kim does care about Lane’s happiness in small ways. And while it took for a while, due to pride, she did apologize to Lane if she hurt her or has done something which some people don’t do. I respect that.
Especially as a Korean immigrant. The subtext of Lane being a first generation American is actually really important to her story. You see her Korean Grandmother visit and how Mrs. Kim also rebelled by becoming Christian, veering away from her own parents' Buddhism, hiding all her Christian iconography, and replacing them with Buddha. Often emotions are not talked about, and apologizing was a BIG DEAL for Mrs. Kim.
1:23:43 at the time I definitely liked Jess more, but it was probably the dreamy bad boy thing. Looking back now, I think Logan was the best for Rory at the time ( in colege), he showed how privileged she was and how the real world worked. From a young age Rory was shelter, the sentiment " Rory is special" was so prevelent that I can't even judge her. However, at the revival, it just bothered me the fact that they hadn't changed!
Yes, the fact that all of Logan's character growth in the seventh season was just ignored in the revival just incensed me. He ended the series so well and then him in the revival was such a let down.
Honestly Jess was the best looking to me, he was book smart and quick like Rory. Him and Logan were good rivals, the show wrote Dean too dumb for Rory.
I'm really impressed by how thorough and balanced this series review was! I didn't agree with every single thing you said, but it honestly would've been pretty crazy if I did, and in the end I agreed with like 95% of it, and could understand your perspective the other 5% of the time. What I think I appreciated most was your commitment to evaluating the narrative on its own terms and not just automatically interpreting everything though an "in hindsight and from a 2022 perspective" lens. You _do_ discuss how the show comes across in hindsight, and from a modern perspective, which is entirely valid, but you do a great job of first discussing the show on its own terms and _then_ discussing how the perspective of hindsight effects what we take away from the narrative.
I totally agrree that ms. Kim was not abusive. She was strict. I grew up with a parent that was in many ways just like mrs. Kim, in the strict sense, and so i had to act like Lane and hide my true self but my dad WAS abusive and the difference is HUGE. Lane was afraid of disappointing her mom but she wasn't afraid of her mom hurting her. When Lane drew up the courage to stand up to her, Ms. Kim would recognize that she needed to address the situation and did so. She stuck with her boundaries and rules but gave Lane options. She never belittled lane, she never threatened her, she never hurt her, she never minimized her, she never wanted to make her feel bad, and she never manipulated her. She was always upfront about what the rules were and why and while the rules sucked or we're extreme... she was consistent. While Emily had her own weird and extreme rules, Emily resorted to talking down to Lorelai, manipulating situations to make her go along with her ideas, and using control and coercion. An abusive parent will withhold love and affection, will try to break a person's esteem, and will use threats and power over the person. Ms. Kim was a lot but she wasn't abusive. I think this is why Lane has such good feelings towards her parents even though she didn't agree with them and had to learn how to create a life that was different from theirs. Lorelai had to force her way out and literally became estranged from her parents in order to individuate.
Yes to all of this and I felt there was give and take with Ms. Kim. Whenever she felt she was being too harsh, she became more lenient. Even though she never approved of Lane dating, she did what she could to get to know her boyfriends. I loved her with Zack. She saw how hard he worked for her and Lane’s approval but she made sure she got to know them and help them. I loved that. Yeah, completely agree that while she seemed mean at times, she always loved Lane and wanted what was best for her. She never manipulated her. She never laid a hand on her and she never verbally or emotionally abuse her. She made sure Lane can talk to her even if it was hard to listen to at times.
Strict *is* abusive. It harms children, stunts their emotional growth and can make it harder for them to relate to their peers, and can cause PTSD. I grew up with parents that were abusive and made me suicidal by the age of 11. Part of what made them abusive was that they were strict.
@@KristinNirvana i am sorry you had to go through that. Please don’t mind me saying this, I think it depends on the level of strictness. I also had a couple of teachers who were strict and one hated kids and while she did not hit them, she got them and me in trouble for everything. She lied to our parents. Before me, she put a kid on antidepressants. It was a rumor, but spending a month with her proved why this kid went on them. She had other teachers by her side who did not help us at all. So yes. I do agree that some strict people can be abusive. I am not trying to belittle your experience by saying this, but I personally feel in Lane’s case, her mom was not abusive. She was very strict and overprotective which I do agree can cause some damage, but she never tried to lie, manipulate, or hurt her daughter. What changes my view on it is that Ms. Kim changes throughout the show and that she compromises with her daughter. If she did not have these two things, I would agree with you wholeheartedly on her character.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 She did hurt her daughter though. Throughout the series we see Lane trying to sneak her personality wherever she can because her mother is hurting her by not allowing her to be her true self. We see Lane having to comply with her mother's choices of dates for her and hide her real crushes and boyfriends. That's hurt. Abuse includes having to hide who you are as a person from people who won't accept you for who you are. Compromise often comes because parents start to realize how much damage they did. It happened to my parents too, where they started to compromise and change as time went by. That doesn't mean they weren't abusive beforehand.
in slight defense of Jackson in the vasectomy storyline, sookie was wrong for just ordering him to get it done in the first place. no discussion. no looking into other options. no asking him how he felt. he was dead wrong for lying about getting it done, but there seemed to be a startling lack of communication in both directions. I'm shocked they stayed together after that fiasco, tbh
Agreed! I mean as you said, he was completely wrong to lie, but she was just as wrong to demand he get a vasectomy without any prior discussion! If your that sure you don't want another one, get your own damn tubes tied... OR do the mature thing, sit your husband down and have a discussion like adults!
I mean yes demanding is rude. But condoms aren`t safe and she didn`t want more kids. It`s not a big thing for a man. She must have used birth control for ages before Davy it`s only fair that now he should`ve done his part. It`s her body she did not want to have another kid.
@@stephjovi yes it's her body and yeah she probably used birth control but in a marriage or longterm relationship just demanding things with no discussion or concern for your partner's feelings is a really bad way to go about things and is just a set up for disaster. In no way was Jackson justified in lying to her, it was super shitty. But just making demands and final decisions about your relationship and your family with no regard for your partner or any discussion a good way to go about a relationship.
@@micivalantincic8227 should've said the doctor botched it it didn't stick. It happens. Anything would've been better than this storyline. But thx for the explanation. Helps to know they wanted to make it easer for Melissa write the pregnancy in and just didn't come up with a better story
I would love a second revival season, mostly just because I'm a sucker for more Gilmore Girls content, but also because I think we all really badly want some sort of redemption arc for Rory. Half her life seems to be a series of bad, self-centered decisions. I think her being a mom and having to be responsible for another human for the first time could be a really interesting opportunity for her to grow in a way that many fans long hoped for. I feel like Lorelai's story is more or less complete at this point (and Emily's certainly is), but Rory's is just kind of left hanging.
Great show, awful revival 😑 Mitchum was completely right about Rory's lack of grit and the revival only emphasised that. Rory also sounded like she was self aware but lacked any real awareness of where she sat in relation to her classmates. Love Digger for whatever reason. I love Lorelai despite her flaws too (whereas Rory's flaws annoy me lol) I'm younger than Rory but always gravitated towards Lorelai more. Regardless of any criticism the show is worth a watch!
Mitchum was one of the only people who told her what she needed to hear and he did her a favor because clearly she was shielded her entire life. Same I respect Lorelei, she’s not perfect but she’s still an all around good person and hella good character!!!
Yeah I came to loathe Rory and was far more invested in Lorelai's story as it progressed. I hated the revival though. I've never been bored and unwhelmed by something I was excited for.
41:51 Yaaaas, thanks for mentioning this. Paris absolutely is on the spectrum. I don't know if the authors met someone like her or if they intentionally thought about making an autistic character (sadly, a less likely scenario) but she has a lot of characteristics. And as someone on the spectrum myself, I must admit that I saw a lot of myself in her. While Rory always expressed her passions with a calm or light enthusiasm, Paris was the type of person who was all or nothing, a passion that quickly became obsession every time and oh boy that's speaks to me so much 😂
The tree episode did it for me. I was floored and just horrified at the entitlement. I'm convinced that if she went to Harvard her trajectory would be sooooo different.
the moment i felt really let down by rory's arc is when she went on to date logan after him and his friends were horrible and classicist towards marty (even going out of their way to humiliate him) despite the fact that marty was her friend at the time?? it's horrible enough that logan and his friends acted that way towards other people in of itself but for rory to do nothing as one of her friends suffers the brunt of it???
i think rory's faults always made sense with her character. also i actually never stopped liking her? like in that way you're there for your friend even if theyre in the wrong. idk. maybe i wont like her if i do a rewatch, but i do now.
It was so strange seeing "Grown Up Dean" in the revival, looking like he just walked off the set of "Supernatural". I spent too many years seeing him, with that look, as Sam, lol!
I am currently rewatching the show and as a 27 year old i have to say the most interesting and heart felt scenes to me are the ones where we get glimpses into the complicated and multi layered relationship between Lorelei and her parents. The thing i love most about the show as an adult is that their relationship is never magically healed or fixed. It is difficult and it stays that way because sometimes that's just how it is, too many misunderstandings, fights and conflicts can do that to people. It doesn't take away from the fact that Lorelei's parents want to stay 8n her life because they love her or that she still craves their approval but cannot ask for it - those just make their inability to communicate properly more tragic. And it is realistic. That's life. That's people. Not the weird cookie cutter bff mother daughter sunshine stuff the early seasons tried to sell us, cause that turned out unfortunate as well as we know now
I, for one, liked Lane's arc. It's a testament to the fact that dreams change and people's lives can turn out differently from your teenage ideals. And still, you can end up happy. Lane's rebellion against her repressive mother was fuelled by idealising Rory's relationship with Lorelai. As time goes by, you realise that their bond is not so ideal, that it may be stifling and a little smidge toxic even. With time, Lane's determination sparks respect and growth in her mother, and in turn, Lane understands that Mrs. Kim loves her. Lane and Zack may not be for everyone, but for me, they have a realistic and heartwarming story
Yes exactly! Like I get why what happened with her is so unpopular, but there are plenty of shows and movies and books about repressed kids who grow up to be rockstars and rebels and all that. Lane is such an interesting character to me because despite all of the repression she faced from her mom, she still loved and respected her and knew it was coming from a good place. And it's strange to me that no one ever considered her dreams may have changed over time from wanting to be a rockstar to wanting to be a mom or a wife? I don't think her character is fleshed out enough for us to really know, but just because she doesn't become a rockstar and leave Stars Hollow doesn't mean she doesn't have what she wants. To me it always seemed like Lane's joys in life were being like a sister/best friend to Rory, music, and being apart of her town. Not enough of her adult life is shown in the later seasons, but it seems implied that music and Stars Hollow and Rory are all apart of her life still. There's certainly another universe where we get a Lane Kim spin off show and more insight into how she feels about everything and what she truly wants, but considering Gilmore Girls is not her show, I think what we're shown of her character is still pretty realistic and still worth admiring😅
I definitely really disliked a lot of decisions Rory made and disappointed at how she turned out but I liked that she did turn out that way because it’s realistic. If she turned out more like how she was in season one it wouldn’t have been very believable.
I am always here for a long analysis of Gilmore Girls. I never considered the cinematography and lighting, but the way you framed it - of course! It makes sense that the first few seasons are the comfort and nostalgia seasons 💛🌙🌟✨
Taylor made me want to throw things every time he spoke and the faces he made. Almost made me forget he's just a character and that the actor is most likely not like him at all. Kudos to Michael Winters.
I actually didn't start disliking Rory until the whole leaving yale thing. With Jess she was 17 and so yeah it was bad but teens make a lot of mistakes. With sleeping with Dean i feel like she was heartbroken by Jess and everyone always used to say Dean was perfect so ofc she wanted to go back. It was pretty bad but it was forgivable enough but leaving yale and discarding everything her parents and grandparents did to get her there was the final straw
Same I hate that season where she leaves yale not even because of that but the fact that Lorelai and Rory dont talk the whole season makes it unbarebal I liiterally skip the whole season
I have never seen an episode of Gilmore girls, but i still really enjoyed the video I really enjoy long retrospectives from fans about shows i haven't seen, so thanks for this
LOL That's so weird!! Not in a bad way, to each their own, I just can't imagine spending two hours on a review of a show I've never seen LOL. Ours honestly the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. I feel a little bit in love with you right now.
I'm going to a GG pub trivia night. This was the best study guide. Wish me luck! (and yes I recognize studying for a trivia night is... a lot, but that's just what I'm like and yay for embracing that, I guess lol)
Lorelei’s conflict resolution skills with Rory are awful at best, non-existent at worst because they didn’t learn it with the smaller stuff. Lorelei says in the pilot that the fight over Dean and Chilton was their first argument, and that’s a few weeks shy of Rory’s sixteenth birthday. Rory sleeps with the married Dean, goes to Europe with Emily for the summer so she doesn’t have to confront her very disproving mother or deal with Dean. Bonus points for sending him a letter and blowing up his marriage by doing so, yet never apologises. Gets bad feedback on an internship performance and steals a boat, goes to Emily and Richard for sympathy to avoid her mother (who gets in a very satisfying Told You So when they realise she was right all along).
There's a ton of things with Luke that I kind of had a "head canon" about. I think basically he lost his parents before he was twenty (part of why he hates hospitals). Also, he had a very rocky relationship with his dad (in my head it was a reaction of his mom dying earlier). Which messed him up as far as emotional intimacy went. It made sense that he wouldn't be able to let even people who knew him (like Rachel) get too close. Of course, the other problem was the writers kept messing up things in order to keep ratings going, keep the plot moving, etc. Which maybe was the safer choice but it made the show difficult to watch in the latter seasons.
Fun fact they did eat the food for the first few seasons. But stopped when they started getting sick. I think from there they decided to play with food instead of spit takes. Also it’s possible for someone to be skinny and eat a lot of junk food. We don’t know how much they are but it seemed like junk food was a Saturday night thing only and take out was the main food, which take out if completely fine. I agree that finances were probably all centered around food. Also it’s only the two of them, while Lorelei has an established job. It’s not like she’s feeding ten kids. To add Sookie probably also helped a lot because she was the chief. I’m sure they had leftovers a lot from the Inns.
Sookie always gave them a lot of leftovers and sometimes cooked for them, so although take out was their primary source of food, it wasn't the only one.
There's an awful British show called Supersize v. Superskinny, where morbidly obese and extremely underweight people swap diets for a bit. Anyway, some of the superskinny people actually eat nothing but candy and soda or coffee. It's kind of bizarre, but the way the Gilmore Girls guzzle coffee, take a few bites of junk, then run off, makes me think it's at least possible they're so thin 😆 Lauren Graham's great muscle tone wouldn't be likely, though. And I can't imagine Rory excelling at school without decent fuel.
Not impossible but shows portray this often and it's rarely accurate, like with Laurens strict diet. Realistic representation is better for young girls
I loved seeing somebody else be able to talk about gilmore girls for over an hour and say the things I've been thinking for months now! i am just now rewatching the show for the first time and am noticing these things much more this time around. I wish the rest of the seasons were like the first 3 but I will always love this show!
God I SO agree about many things that you have said! The cinematography is 100% what I was thinking. when I'm reminiscing about the show, it's always about the "feel good" nostalgia of the first seasons. Even now, watching it on a high-quality screen, I miss the old, warm feeling and colors of the first seasons. I also never understood the massive appeal of Lor and Luke. I think that character-wise, Chris was a better match. His arc aside, they had great chemistry, they knew each other so well, and they had similar tastes, and humor, and he's one of the only people besides Rory in my opinion that actually understood her pop culture references lol. I think that first season Dean was pretty good. He liked Rory, he was protective and intelligent. I HATED the way they flipped his character. I do like Logan very much. Yes he was spoiled (Rory was too), and yes he could be a jerk sometimes, but I think that eventually, he is the only bf that treated her respectfully and equally. He knew that telling her to go back to school won't help (if Lor can't, no one can) and he let her be, and eventually (with the help of Jess) she went back because she wanted to! I have so many thoughts but I won't bore you with all of them, but I loved this video!
Just came here to say that I come back around here once a year since you posted it because it's my favorite analysis of the show. Keep up the good work!!
I'm at wave 2. And I agree with almost 100% The time I stopped liking Rory was the scene where she returns to Yale for Sophomore year and the moving guys HOLDING A COUCH and she tells them to open the door. I thought that was literally disgusting behavior
I remember her saying I the door is open cause she thought Paris was their already. How the was Rory rufe to them. I think if you think that watch again and really pay attention to what Rory is saying. Quit twisting things around. See I pay attention to her.
@@lauriecarson6483 she does BUT THEYRE HOLDING A COUCH. She says oh that's so weird Paris isn't here yet... If someone is holding two cups of coffee. And your holding nothing. wouldn't you open the door for them? I dont have it twisted. I have it as straight as Rory and Paris' spring break kiss HA
I think Logan is my favorite of Ror's boyfriends and the one who is the best fit for her. He respected her, he treated her well. He calls her out on her lack of self-awareness. I don't think he treats anyone of lower social class any worse than any of the other privileged characters on the show. Rory learned from her grandparents that doors could be opened for her simply because of her family name, not Logan. It was Rory, not Logan who had the idea to steal the yacht. And while Logan does respect Rory's decision to take time off from Yale, he makes it clear in his own way that he doesn't agree with her that leaving school is a good idea. I thought his family was so rude to her at that dinner, but I loved seeing a group of people not fawn over her. And Mitchum was spot on. She didn't have what it takes to be a journalist. She would have been better as an editor or in academia. I don't ship Lorelai with Luke. He makes a better big brother figure than a romantic partner for her. I think Jason/Digger was the best match for her.
I do like Jess as a character but I think Logan and Rory were a better fit. He did treat her very well. And I don't consider him a cheater. While Rory did look at her phone and said she was going to wait to talk to him, she still froze him out. And the argument had sounded pretty final so it makes sense someone might consider it a breakup. I mean, he was just 21 and he hadn't been in a real relationship like that. Rory knew that. So I didn't really get why she was that angry. He even said he hated when his father cheated on his mother so to me, it was a very clear point about his character. He wouldn't intentionally cheat on someone. I liked that about him. ...and the revival undid it. I thought Logan & Rory would have been a good romance but then move on and have other relationships. In the revival they should have just had Logan in the middle of a divorce when he & Rory run into each other again. I also hated how they copped out and made Logan work for his father. Doing the opposite of what his path was in the series finale.
I felt like he was the only one of her boyfriends that could actually match her wit and banter. He also understood her on a level the others didn't. I still think she should have said yes to his proposal. He literally offered to get her a job as a journalist once they moved and got married. Her grandparents loved him and only Lorelai didn't really like him that much, but she still would have supported Rory's decision. She literally had her happy ending given to her and she decided to run away from it.
I know like lorelai ending up with luke always felt off to me, they always came of as friends but I guess early 2000s didn’t really believe in straight guy and straight girl only being friends
To be completely honest I never really started “hating” Rory. I’m not saying I was a big fan of her either, but I found her arc of growing up and showing more and more of her flaws to be quite refreshing(?) in a way. I just didn’t like her ‘perfect girl’ image and seeing it be broken down was rather interesting. It’s undeniable she was an asshole during her Yale years - her privilege and sense entitlement caught up to her and she was a trainwreck for the better part of the later seasons but my god was it entertaining to watch. Speaking of later seasons, I can also understand why she quit Yale, whilst I don’t necessarily agree with her decision to; everything she believed she was working towards was taken away, because as much as she didn’t like Mitchum, he was a very powerful and inspiring person in her eyes; one that knew the journalism scene more than she could imagine by that point. Even during her research about him she was fascinated about finding the littlest facts. He was a hero to her, in a way. Hearing she’s never gonna make it completely shattered her perception of herself and her life, especially when you consider the fact she was pretty much cradled and getting high praises handed to her without even trying because of the town and her own family that always put her on the pedestal. Plus iirc she was getting seriously overwhelmed with not meeting the standards she tried to keep herself up to in classes at the same time. I think if she stayed in Yale by that point, she would’ve gotten completely overwhelmed and burned out fully, though I do think her break should’ve lasted way shorter than it did. Obviously there are other ways things could’ve gone; she could’ve stayed at Yale and with adequate help (eg. the psychologist she met with after coming back to school) she could’ve managed to pull through, plus I think Lorelai would’ve doubled (or tripled or quadrupled or whatever extra -pled she can come up with next) her support for Rory if she decided to stay at Yale, but oh well. It was a beautiful dumpster fire to watch and it was and important chapter in her life that I think was almost unavoidable in one way or other. Oh and to add: I do think that Mitchum was right, by the way. Rory wouldn’t have made it. She was way to withdrawn to be a journalist and, as many other people in the comments suggested, would be better fit for academia. Her dreams of being a foreign correspondent were at the very best just dreams - like, seriously, even Jess questioned her choices waaaaayy back lol.
There are episodes where Lorelei and Rory will have a conversation while cleaning out the fridge, smelling containers of food and asking for opinions during the conversation so that’s another attention to detail within the lifestyle. It is noticeable that when Rory comes visiting from college and sees actual, proper food in the fridge, along with other clues (typical belt tightening measures like cutting down on magazine subscriptions and movie channels, trimming the fat basically) picks up that her mother is going through some financial issues. Lorelei’s job is fairly active as well, she’s on her feet a lot behind the front desk or following up on a guest issue or in business, and Sookie isn’t averse to sharing some food for free so that helps the budget.
Pretty good analysis for all the characters. One of the most annoying one I never liked was TJ. Luke's sister bothered me because she was a dysfunctional Mother to Jess. But then he wouldn't be a troubled kid causing the town to dislike him. TJ (Gary) was supposed to be funny, I think, but looked stupid most of the time. Stupid isn't really funny. The best seasons for me were the first three. Didn't like Logan. Didn't like April or her Mom Anna. Definitely didn't care for Jess' real Dad or Sasha. Loved Finn and Collin. The locals were fine. I confess I have lost count on how many times I have watched the entire series , including the revival ( which was awful). Thanks for the review.
Loved the video, agree with most of it but after the revival, I'll always agree with Paris' take on Logan: A waste of a trust fund who offers nothing to women or the world in general. Jess had grown up by freaking season 6, while Logan never did. The latter can stay with Rory for all I care, Jess deserves better than her.
gilmore girls stays one of the best shows (in my opinion) because of how comforting it is. i feel like gilmore girls did such a good job with generational trauma while also still being upbeat. i think they did this best in season 1-3 where the show is still “innocent” and warm. i think the reason those seasons are so comforting is simply because it was almost the same thing over and over but completely different too. you said it so well how the first few season you watch everybody reaching their dreams which any other show for me couldn’t imitate
I never watched Gilmore Girls, but your analysis was so engaging and entertaining, that I made it to the end, and I am considering watching it. Great analysis like always!
Gil was one of my favorite minor characters. Mostly because sebastian Bach. If you dont know the band skid row, check them out. He was also a major hottie back in the day, in my opinion.
If I remember correctly (it was in an interview I watched a long long time ago) the show runners hated how Lane's character turned out, they wanted her to pursue music or become something more, but since they left for the last season they couldn't do anything about it.
I love someone not gunning for Gilmore Girls on this website for once. This show was part of my adolescence and bonding time with my best friend and I think most of your criticisms and takes are extremely fair.
Loved this video and the algorithm for bringing it to my attention! One thing I want to say, is that Lauren Graham was absolutely perfect casting. She had great chemistry with every single romantic interest - in my opinion - including Luke. And just the casting in general (for the most part), Lauren also had great chemistry with her parents and it always totally felt like Richard and Emily had been together for a long time.
I so agree with your entire take on Lane. She was such a multifaceted character with many gifts. It made me mad what the writers did with her arc in later seasons. You did make me feel better about it with the simple sentence, 'She seems happy.'
Wow, that was an awesome watch. I watched the first four seasons with my single mum who had me as a teenager. No rich family unfortunately and I moved out while season 5 was airing and didn't finish the show until the revival. it made the revival make sense to me I guess. lots of people made a big deal of how smart and wonderful I was and it fucked me up. I thought i was perfect and everything would just happen to me. my Jess wasn't someone I dated, he was an older family friend who would always cut me down to size in a calm friendly way and I'm so grateful. I get how Rory ended up where she did. when there's no push back, you get lazy and sloppy and suddenly you aren't where you know you could be. that said, the revival sucked. they handled everything in such a heavy handed rushed way. for me, Gilmore Girls ended with Season 4 and Jess was the best of a bad bunch. Hopefully Rory goes it alone and jeeps him as a friend. Lane was robbed and Kirk needs to be in background of more shows.
As for the food, I feel like it's not just a bad habit passed to Rory. To me it's actually one of many mechanisms that Lore created in her home to take her household as far from Emily's as she could. Passing the coffee, junk food and sweets addiction to Rory seems to me as an attempt to make Rory like things that her grandparents would never offer her. It's not just that - the music taste, the travel style (backpacking), the way they dress, all things that Emily would never accept in her house. Rory has to change herself to be accepted by her parents, and that's something that Lore finds unbearable, but Rory does it with no problem (witch cause alot of discussions, as Lore expected her to be as bothered by it as Lore). Lore teaches Rory to love things that the high class would always frown upon, it's a way to keep Rory close to her. That's why in the couple of occasions when Emily would offer something in dinner that they like and not just made an effort to eat come as such a shock. And that's not a criticism, I actually feel like Lore's way to show her love was to give Rory the opportunity to love all the things that she couldn't have. Food specifically seems like a sore point for Lore, as she had to hide her sweets in her clothes drawer so Emily wouldn't find it's, to me, a little bit of a trauma for her, so she overcompensates. But yeah, they have pretty bad habits as to food and exercise!
Richard is such a great character. He does some bad stuff but you can see when he is with Rory and Lorelei alone he loves them and doesn’t care what they chose as long as they truly deep down want it. He seems to get upset with the girls when they do things for other that they wouldn’t do if that specific person wasn’t there, in other words go against their morals. He seems to keep people in check with their true selves. Just me??
I think Richard is a brilliant character. He’s a reflection of the old stuffy traditional ways, in that he can be very rigid, stubborn and set in his ways. He can be rather classist, but in fairness that’s also just his upbringing. But deep down he is a loving person and just wants what’s best for his family. It’s just that that can conflict with his love of status, that in his world means a lot. Lorelei is very much like her both of her parents, you can see it in their intimate interactions. She shares a similar sense of humour to both parents, it’s just that Lorelei is more open so you see her snappy wittiness more often. It’s also why she clashes with them so often. She takes after both parents in that she is extremely stubborn and headstrong and will do things her own way. And she makes mistakes, which will upset her parents the same way any parent will worry about their children’s life choices. Her parents just tend to be rather controlling (likely to add drama to the show.) Rory is very much removed from such drama until she actually lives with them after she drops out of Yale. So she didn’t fully understand their conflict until she lived in their house. But when push comes to shove they do care about one and other. Richard seems to want his daughter and granddaughter to be happy. And I think Lorelei even breaks up with a guy when he goes against her father, showing that deep down she is loyal to her family, regardless of circumstances. Richard’s negative attributes are arguably at least a bit hyperbolic, in that it’s a tv show first and foremost. But eh, I think Richard is a good person deep down. He just has some cutthroat and devious qualities as well. Now whether or not that makes him a genuinely good person to hang out with in real life, well that will depend on your mileage I guess lol
I don't know, there were certain controlling behaviors I didn't like and some major privileged opinions he held. I didn't like how when Lorelai thanked him for defending her against Strobe, he was like "I didn't do it for you, I was protecting this family." It was one of the first glimpses to his rude behavior. He couldn't just say, "you're welcome. I love you?" Is that so hard? I get that he's mad that Lorelai never married, but he held onto this resentment against her and attacked her with it whenever she did something he didn't approve of. At one point I was like move on, she's not getting married, it's been fifteen years, jeez! Then he was really entitled at times. He snapped at Lorelai saying he had connections to get Rory into Yale, which is the epitome of privilege. She's already a legacy, you're going to buy the spot for her too. And then there was this awful moment where he recalled physically assaulting (throwing a guy out a window with his friends for like a month straight at Yale) and we were supposed to think it was this cute, misguided thing he did when he was young. And let's not forget what he did to Dean and the fact he didn't want to apologize, Emily had to push him. Or how he treated Emily like a crazed woman for being mad he met with his ex for thirty plus years. The video is right, Richard is not bad, but he's not good either. He's kind to his family, but if other people get trampled along the way, so be it. Funnily enough, he's just like Mitchum. He treated the ballerina, Dean, and Digger worse than Mitchum did.
I love Gilmore Girls... I never had a comfort show before so discovering Gilmore Girls in 2022 really was the best thing that probably happened to me this whole year... everyone needs something to come back to, something to guve them hope if their real life isn't the way they had planned. I will forever love Gilmore Girls, it's iconic no matter how sad the end game was ❤
Lorelai is my favorite character by far. I loved Rory in season one; the second she forgot about Dean for Jess, I no longer liked her. The woman who plays Emily Gilmore is an excellent actress and I loved the character as a character but I think Emily is a terrible human being (until the revival). I have a soft spot for Richard because he reminds me so much of my own father, but I can acknowledge that he has his own issues. Lane deserved the entire world. Fuck Paris. Loved Kirk with my whole heart. In terms of Lorelai's love interests, I liked Max but didn't think he and Lorelai were a good match because I think he was in way over his head. I was actually sad when Lorelai and Jason broke up. I really liked Jason. I think Christopher was an immature douchebag. I love Luke. I LOVE Luke. But I think Luke was too good for Lorelai, who took advantage of his kindness a lot. I mean, I still wanted him and Lorelai together, but... Luke was too good for this world, okay. Rory's love interests: Dean was a great first boyfriend, until he built Rory the car and suddenly his entire character flipped on its head. That was a case of bad writing, I think. I hate Jess entirely and wish he didn't exist; except for when he comes back way later and actually grew up. My favorite love interest by far was Logan and I can't even tell you why. I mean, Logan has problems, too (everyone on this show is problematic lol). I just love him the most out of the three. He makes me smile the most. Seasons one through three are my favorite, four and five are pretty good. Season 6 is where I start to lose interest, and 7 sucks. The revival doesn't even feel like it's the same show at all so I don't even know how to rate it. It's like comparing apples and oranges. I really like the musical scene between Rory and Logan's group of friends though lmao.
Season 7 is terrible kelly bishop is brilliant in the role of Emily Gilmore I hated her until the revival she was the only person that I enjoyed in that I really liked her character arc
The reason Rory acted out for me was because she most likely made to be the parent in that mother daughter/bestfriend dynamic. I know friends whose mom's did that and as a result, they were adultified at age 9. Then when they got older, they acted out as if they were still teens and Rory reminded me of that. Add to the fact that she was always called perfect and she had expectations that her mom, grandparents and the entire town put on her.
Can we just all take a hot second to appreciate that when the narrator says, "[Lorelai] sort of ends up folding," Lorelai is walking in with an arm full of laundry? lmao. Great editing.
Great video! I loved this show and despite some jokes not aging well it's still a comfort show for me. I think I'm in the minority as I like Rory's character because it's realistic in a way and unfortunately I related to being lost as a uni student and floundering at that time. Wish she would've have had more growth at the end however and especially in the revival.
Nice overview of the show! Did want to offer a small correction: Logan did succeed in starting up his own venture in the later seasons, and for a time, he had a team he was working with (including a “hot sales girl” who could “hang with the guys” in that annoying early ‘00s corporate America way). But as we saw, they were about to invest in a startup and at the last minute, something went wrong, so the investment fell through. So I would say, in fact, Logan’s effort to venture off on his own did not work out. And if he was a person who wanted to create something of his own & not be tied down by his dad, it was gonna be tough. I think he was too comfortable with the lifestyle, and wasn’t ready to give that up just to be on his own & risk a venture that would likely fail in the first year. It’s a choice. I’d say people with money have their own issues, money rarely solves the real problem within, or the constricting (edited for grammar) structure that holds up the legacy. Almost positive Logan was working for his dad’s company in the revival, but let me know if I’m off on that!
i think logan and rory shouldve ended up together. rory definitely got very involved in the gilmore life and she enjoyed it. her and logan understood eachother. i agree with what you said about rory already cracking, i definitely saw that. if it wasn’t logan it would be someone else. she helped logan and eventually he helped her. he found direction and supported her, allowed her to grow up, like truly grow up, he called her out but helped her move on from it. also, he the one she looked happiest with! dean was explosive, jess unreliable, but logan was stable. ayitl was so dissapointing because all the growth in season seven was clearly disregarded. we know amy sherry paladino (might have spelled it wrong) wanted to make lorelai and rory’s lives mirror but it just didn’t work in ayitl and after season six it shouldn’t have been the ending for the og show or ayitl.
I loved Richard’s relationship with Rory it was actually my favorite dynamic within the family. He absolutely adored that girl. But maybe it’s my love for Ed Hermann that makes me think that lol
Yes, the revival wasn't good. Amy should have picked up where Season 7 left off ,could have done a 2 hour movie. You had Luke and Lorelia kissing, Rory's going away party. Could have let Luke and Lorelia had the wedding the fans wanted them to have. Rory could have told her mom she thought she might be pregnant, Lorelia asks is it Logan's, Rory says she not sure, could have ended with fans not knowing if she was pregnant or not instead of the 4 last words in the revival. Don't know if Amy can come back from the revival, it was bad.
im so glad u talked abt the time acknowledgement its genuinely so satisfying and enjoyable haha. My favourite is when they meet the love interests many many episodes before smth actually happens with them, like when rory meets dean on one of her last days of school and then doesnt see him for a long while. The pacing actually makes u a lot more into the show and it feels so much more realistic.
I love this deep dive so much! Gilmore Girls is my favourite TV show ever. I completely resonated with a lot of what you mentioned. To answer your question: I stopped liking Rory when she started Yale. I used to really admire Rory and I always wanted to be like season 1 Rory (sometimes I still feel like that when it comes to University work...haha) but I really started to dislike her by season 4. The "Rory leaving Yale" storyline was my least favourite part of the whole show. I wished it never happened. I'm probably going to be very unpopular after this statement but I actually found Kirk really annoying. Yes, sometimes he was funny but I just found him irritating. Finally, I actually really love Emily Gilmore. There were things she definitely did wrong and there were so many times when I wanted to scream at the TV but I also really felt sorry for Emily. To me, you can see how much Emily loves Loralei and how much she wants to have the same relationship with Loralei as Loralei and Rory do, but I totally agree that Emily was controlling and rude, at times, and she could have done things differently. My last point is on Paris Geller. I totally agree with you when you say that you feel Rory and Paris' relationship meant more to Paris than it did to Rory. I always got the impression that Paris cared for Rory WAY more than Rory did for Paris and that Rory befriending Paris was just the "easier option" than having Paris as an enemy. It was so interesting hearing your opinions!
100% agree with you, Kirk was more annoying than comedic. he could’ve been replaced with a much better townie with better lines and a better character arc. :
Note 1: Hey y’all! I would like to sincerely apologize to anyone who may have been hurt or offended with the food section of the video. The honest truth is that when I recorded that part, like many other parts of the video, it was after a long day of work and I was just being lazy. I’m not used to making long videos like this and I wanted to give up plenty of times because I wanted to address so many things and I didn’t want to post it if wasn’t good enough. It doesn’t change the fact that it is already out there but I would still like to apologize for the diabetic comment - I only used it because I was going to reference another movie that showed the darker sides of teenage parenting. Still, I messed up and should have been more careful and it won’t happen again.
In passing I would also like to apologize for using A*******’s syndrome when talking about Paris. It also was never to offend or hurt anyone and I honestly had no idea up until the comments that this was no longer acceptable.
As I mentioned at the end of video, the comment section is open for educating, constructive criticisms and discussions. I am fully aware that this is the internet and people get mad about lots of dumb things but I can admit when I messed up and this is me saying that I’ve heard, I’ve understand and I’ve learned. Anyway to all those giving me love ,thank you so much, I am looking forward to making many more of these and making them better as I go. ❤️🥰
Hey Just finished listening to your analysis. And I loved it! We have some of the same views on the characters. But you nailed it when you speak of the details the writers incorporate that makes the show different to anything ever produced for TV. And you bring up a great point about how some characters change to fit what is to come. I also re-watch to relax. Because somehow it always feel like you are returning to your home/town/family. LOL 😊
Really loved the video!
As you say at the end there’s never been a show like this is really unique. The thing that I loved the most was watching it with my mom when It came out on Warner Channel. By then I was just a teenager so I found more interesting Rory's stories while my mom prefered Lorelai's.
By the time the revival came I already was living on my own place and was weird to watch the Gilmore Girls without her.
Anyway I love my mom and I love the memories of watching this mother and daughter together.
@Vierka Chora its a show from the year 2000, obviously is not the same watching it 22 years later 🤷🏻♀️ it was written for an audience from another time.
Hi. Not sure if I have gotten to the food part slash diabetes comment part yet. I have been watching on and off throughout the last couple days. But as a type 1 diabetic, I will say don't let the commentors bully you into apologizing if you linked poor diet and diabetes. People need to relax when it comes to some things. For example some people are even sensitive about the term diabetics, so they use the word diabetes. Because diabetic means that is all they are. You see where I'm going with this. People are always going to complain. Make all the jokes and witty repertoire you want about diabetes. As some one who shoots up 4 times a day, I say people need to apologize for being so sensitive.
I'm about 50 odd minutes in. So far I like your character analysis.
I don't know if you'll mention it. But I think the Netflix season is more grounded in reality. While the TV show has some fantastical elements that are close to magic realism.
I have seen and agree with a fan theory. That the book at the end of the Netflix that Rory wrote is the TV show. Explains why her mom was upset at what she wrote as she wasn't a fan of the embellishments. Like the talk with Rory and when she's going on a date. Rory embellishing it with her Mom being so candid about sex. I can see why a mother would be upset at that depiction.
okay PAUSE Rory getting the same hairstyle as Lindsey in season 4 is new information for me that’s mind blowing actually
'The Take' youtube channel has some amazing videos on Rory, Lorelai & even on Rory's hairstyle changes throughout the series!
Ikr! I always hated that hair on her as I think it makes her look like a little kid. How did I not notice it was the same as Lindsay's?
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@eleanorconnor4373 right? Longer hair like early on or in s7 looks so much better on her I hated that haircut and now even more cause I associate it with the death cheating thing😂
It will always annoy me how they had Lane fight so hard for dreams only to get married and pregnant and stay in Stars Hollow. They couldn't give her a successful career as a music teacher at Chilton or something?? Also I really like the plotline where Rory dropped out of Yale- it was nice to see her relaxed and behaving like a typical 18 y/o. Her character was wildly insufferable towards the end though.
I’m still super pissed Lane ended up selling things at Kim’s Antiques!!! She and the guys could have taken over the music store or started a night club if they HAD to stay in Stars Hollow. They were so lazy with her and I’m mad right now about it 😆😡
Isn't it how life happen, you would never expect its next move..
I don't think that's where Lane would have wanted to be. As upsetting as it is, I think she ended up in a really realistic place.
But not all smart and talented women want successful careers, and that's okay. It's a little tiresome that women are perceived as successful only when they get to have a "dream job".
I think that the whole point in Lane's storyline is that she was trying to rebel when deep inside her she agreed with her mom more than her teenage pride allowed her to admit. Remember when she decided to stay virgin until marriage? That was all her, SHE decided to do that, which to me clearly represents the freedom to choose that women have today. I think that her fight and struggles had more to do with her proving herself that she could indeed make a choice (and of course, her genuine love for music) instead of being forced onto something just because tradition and customs say so. And, again, having a family and raising children can be pretty cool too.
Obviously I could be wrong in my interpretation but this is how I understood it.
@@Haylla2008 agreed very realistic but disappointing considering how much she dedicated her young to it
Rory, Lorelai, and Emily I think are a good example of generational trauma. Literally the saying "I won't mess my kids up the way my parents did me....I'll mess them up in new and different ways." Lorelai was too lacks in disciplining Rory because she was too busy giving her daughter all the love and affection she craved but never got. Emily was raised in a distant way very firmly and had what she saw as a successful life ignoring the fact that many of her friends did the same only to suffer under cruel, cheating husbands so she tried to mold Lorelai in her image thinking it would afford her the same success only to get a daughter as strong willed as both her parents. It'd be interesting in a few years to see what kind of parent Rory turns out to be. Given how we see her with Paris' children my money would be on a distracted narcissistic one who thinks she's giving her child the space she didn't really get with a mother who was constantly in her life when she's really neglecting them leaving her mother to step in with affection the same way Rory's grandparents stepped in with discipline.
I think you're 100% correct. The only way I think Rory would avoid doing this is if she gets some major reality checks and possibly goes to therapy.
agreed. I thought Emily was the worst until we met her mother. ironically played by possibly one of the best TV moms ever, Mrs. Cunningham from happy days lol
@@oddbender423 that was Richard's mother not Emily's
Good point on Rory's possible mothering style! Seeing Lorelei meddling the way Emily did would be hilarious
I love your take. After the revival I noticed a big shift in the fandom towards having sympathy for Emily and ire for Lorelai. Further rewatches showed me that as flawed as she was Lorelai showed immense patience with Emily's spiteful and narcissistic side. ASP did a fab job of portraying how the problems in one generation can boomerang down through the next and the one after that and the one after that.
I agree, Jess became too good for Rory. That "why did you drop out of Yale" was probably my favorite scene in the show and was a great reality check for Rory. Also, I knew Rory wouldn't be a good journalist after that ballet review. As a journalism major, I don't have a problem with what she wrote but a good journalist sticks to their instincts, and Mitchum (and Doyle) knew she didn't have that.
WHY did you DROP out of YALE 🗣
I hated Rory and Jess as a couple, Jess' life was an explanation for his earlier behaviour but not an excuse, so many people online gloss over his asshole behaviour but I agree, I loved Jess as a character because he actually went away and bettered himself. He dealt with his issues and I don't think that ever would have happened if Rory had stayed with him, not only because he wouldn't have had the space to, but because I don't think she would have encouraged him to. He was so shitty to everyone in her life and made no effort with her but she never really confronted that, she let it all slide because he was 'different' with her. I think if Rory had met Jess after his self-improvement, he would have been a good influence on her but really, you're right that he kinda became too good for her. He matured so much and she was still so immature, having run away from home and dropping out of Yale and being the epitome of priveleged. I would have loved to see more of older Jess but he was better off being out of her life tbh. The WHY DID YOU DROP OUT OF YALE is so satisfying, not only because it puts Rory back on track, but it shows us that even Jess, the reckless angsty boy who would have probably encouraged her to leave in the past, has come so far and even he knows she is making a poor decision.
@@yonk lol what’s funny is that he did ask her to drop out. I think in season 4 he asked her to run away with him. Then 2 seasons later he gives Rory the best monologue in the shows history.
@@fifimimikiki6747 He does! He comes to her first year dorm and asks her to leave with him. He was at peak pathetic in that moment and I love his arc from that moment to understanding that that would have been awful for both of them and that she would be stupid to drop out. That was a perfect full circle moment actually. They kinda traded places, she would never have dropped out for him then but when they meet again, she almost looks to him for the encouragement and is shocked to not recieve it.
I'm not a journalism major, but what also stuck out to me about her whole journalism dream career is that i never got the feeling that she ever actually had something to *say* . Like, she just kept repeating she wants to be a journalist, wants to travel around and write...but i never got a reason why, it felt like for her it didn't really matter *what* she would write about, just that she could be successful, be featured in the New Yorker, and be the "best" at it.
for kirk, he's more than just comedic relief. this guy have a hundreds different kind of job and his jobs always blue collar one. this makes me think that kirk is basically that everyday guy that's forgettable but actually very hardworking, talented, reliable, and surprisingly funny
YESSS and I feel like every community has one. A guy who’s kind of weird, jumps around jobs a lot but is also a key part of the community!!
I also feel like he's neurodivergent. I like how the community doesn't always "get" Kirk but, he's still always included.
Hmm, I had a different take. At the end we discover that he’s actually in possession of a TON of money (I think it was close to a million dollars?) so I wasn’t sure what to do with that info.
It was when Luke wanted to buy the house for himself & Lorelai & Kirk tried to buy it instead (kind of a d*ck move, so I didn’t think Kirk was actually all that nice. After Luke basically begged him, he gave in & gave up the property) I think?) but by then, I had gotten annoyed by his shenanigans.)
So he never actually needed the money, which makes some of his anxiety-ridden business ventures…I guess…quirky? I’d say, if anyone is the “everyday guy who is reliable,” that would be Luke. They even refer to him as “old reliable, dependable Luke” at one point.
Also, in the earlier episodes, Kirk tried his darndest to hook up with Lorelai, went on an absurdly odd date on her. I dunno, just gave me an odd feeling. Glad he eventually found Lulu, but that was way later. That may just have been the writers’ effort to make Lorelai seem super desired by all the men, but they’re so deeply incompatible that it just felt unnecessary, like a major reach by the writers.
I was okay with him the first watch-through or two, but after that, I find myself skipping past a handful of his segments. Though I did enjoy the deeeeeply creepy film noir moment he had 😆 to me, that was one of the only truly comedic thing he did, other than the time he ran around naked. Oh, and I did adore his contribution to the final ep of the Netflix 4-part update. Won’t say how it ended in case some haven’t seen it!
So yeah, those 3 moments are great, I would have cut out most of the rest of Kirk. To each, their own!
@@Liolia22 When he wanted to buy the house I'm pretty he only had $250,000 stashed away. While still a pretty chunk of change, he only had it because he was constantly working 100 jobs for years while saving on things like rent since he lived with his mother. And unlike other characters, he'd yet to properly put his money into bigger long term investments like property which is why he had all of that cash at hand. While I think Kirk could be super annoying at times, from his point of view he wanted a house so he could finally move out of his mom's basement, begin a life with his girlfriend, and start making more adult decisions about how he saved his money. As a non-viewer there was no way for him to understand the crazy rationale behind Luke's desperation to buy that specific house
@@kyndramb7050 me too ! I related to him a lot growing up lol
I'm autistic and he seemed to me to have many autistic/neurodivergent traits
Like lack of interpreting social cues etc
I totally agree with the Lane bit! I thnk Rory's whole arc was already a groundbreaking "life doesnt turn out as you would have liked" to be and crushing expectations in the audience minds, but Lane should've been the very realistic example of a lot of very opressed kids that escape from their houses and finally gets their dreams in a realistic way. Of course she probably wouldn't have become a rockstar, but probably a succesful producer or something related to music. But something.
I was also kinda bothered by the fact that Lane resisted Ms. Kim so much and when she finally gets to be free she barely gets to enjoy it. I like the first arch where she's working hard and dealing with the hard part of being on your own, also love the part where she and Ms. Kim develop a good relationship, but Lane deserved to make her life good in her own terms, get wherever she wanted to being free of everything she fought so hard against. I wanted to she Lane being a great musician, and find herself a career on the industry she loves so much.
Yes! Or she could've become like a cool Indie artist that has a small cult following or something, that would've been amazing
@@giovannapalmeira8011 When you grow up in a poor family's if you have some money sometimes you can continue have a little thinking of poverty and try to save money. I think this is happening. Maybe Lane can go to therapy and work on herself.
I never forgave Rory for not setting people straight *WHY* Jess crashed the car. He swerved to not hit an animal, wow, what a monster 😒
she did try to tell everyone it wasn't Jess's fault they didn't believe her. Don't blame Rory for something she did it's not her fault that no-one believed her.
She tried! Nobody believed her.
You are not paying attention and what's to blame Rory for something hse didn't do. Just like every other Jess fan who blames Rory for stupid and pittu reasons.
It's just a movie you morons🤣
Rory wasn't raised to take personal responsibility. It's hard to own up to a situation when you are not taught how. Rory's whole life she is looked as a perfect angel throught her mother's eyes as well the other people around her.
While Lorelai and Rory are both semi-equally flawed characters, I think Lorelai’s more likeable because she is more self aware about her mistakes and flaws, Rory just thinks she’s perfect and never apologizes for anything she does, she hurt so many people that loved her like her mom and Dean and sometimes her grandparents and she just didn’t care. Even Emily and Paris are more likeable because they know they can be abrasive and strict and whatever, Rory’s just very stuck up.
I completely agree, I think she often never confronted her mistakes and learnt that some of her behaviour is not okay etc
Lorelai raised rory in very sheltered enviroment, rory is the way she is bc how she was raised. lorelai is more self aware bc she got pregnant at 16 in the mid 80s and hed to grow and face the consequences of her actions, rory never really had to. how can you grow when you never have to? it's the situation we can't escape, the things we don't want to do (but have to) that makes us what we are, it's what builds character. In the end i think it's the whole point of rory's pregnancy at the end of the revival
@@pincessconsuela1896 so what.
@@lauriecarson6483 soooo Lorelei never really gave her any form of discipline and instead acted more of a friend then a mother.
I think it’s easy to let your opinions get too extreme. Rory definitely did care about the things she did. Remember when she apologized at Dean’s window? Or cried outside after sleeping with Dean? And when she missed her mums graduation ACCIDENTALLY she apologized so much and clearly felt bad
I used to hate Rory's character, especially how she was portrayed in the revival, but then I read "Bad Feminist" by Roxane Gay. She talks about how women in TV shows and movies are expected to be perfect, and if they have flaws and are "bad" people, we hate their character, but there are often male characters who are scumbags that we love despite their flaws because they're an interesting character. That made me realize that what I hated about Rory was that she wasn't perfect like she was supposed to be. From listening to your review, I think its a really good point for why viewers end up hating her. She's the "perfect girl", so ends up disappointing all of us when she's a flawed person who makes bad decisions and doesn't show growth. We can love Lorelai and Emily through their flaws because they were never portrayed as perfect people, so we appreciate their growth as signs that they are actually good or at least trying to be. Same with Jess: he's always been a jerk so when he becomes a decent person by the end we can say he's not so bad, but Rory almost regressed to be a worse person if we value her character based on how much growth she had.
I definitely agree that she’s human and that she should be allowed to make mistakes. I can’t blame or judge anyone for liking Rory because as you said she’s not a bad person. And people like mean characters all the time , so Rory is not a character I would ever judge someone for liking. My only thing with Rory was that even at 32 years old she was still doing the same things she was doing when she was 19. Her being lost and confused about what to do with her life was more than understandable it’s the other stuff that just didn’t help lmao 🤣 . But yeah I completely agree with you - female characters always get it harder (good old misogyny for ya 😭😭)
@@TheVhsTapeYT yeah! I agree the lack of growth of her character in the revival was really disappointing. And I think you're right that why it was like that was because ASP just wanted to make the final season of Gilmore Girls that she had originally planned but it just didn't make sense that all the characters picked up exactly where they left off. But no, Rory in the revival is such an inconsiderate person it's astonishing. Especially how she treats Paul. She kind of did the same thing to Dean when she liked Jess but I think she was genuinely in denial of her feelings for him back then, but at 32 she just doesn't like her boyfriend but refuses to break up with him because she literally forgets he exists lmao. ASP really thought that bit would land differently than it did.
about the "scumbag males" part: there's a BIG portion of the GG fandom that hates rory and only ever talks about her partners. i think that applies well to the concept of the book you mentioned.
Referring to the OG series, when you drop the need for Rory to be commendable/a role model, I started enjoying later seasons Rory because her flaws resonated with me. And I took her character progression as the practical outcome of being sucked into the privileged white world. But it's also hard to see the downfall; from down to earth and patient to spoiled and unaware.
@Nomad 🙌🙌
I'm so glad somebody else clocked the transformation of Dean.
He went from someone who was not as academically intelligent as Rory but still fairly smart, somewhat well read and clearly possessing a lot of mechanical and practical intelligence (because he re-built a car at 16 years old) to a blithering incoherent idiot just to have us root for Rory to gaslight him and get with Jesse.
not to mention in s1 of the show before they started dating, dean was a borderline stalker. He said that he would watch her read, and that wasn't given much attention because it was in such a short scene, but he was a weird kid. He was attatched to rory while they were together,(the first time) and pined after they were done. However, it was also messed up on both ends once jess entered the picture, but i'm not getting into that.
I didn't like him when he was with Rory, but when he was married I saw some of his better side- I mean obviously I wouldn't call cheating on your wife a positive character arc, but I did notice that when Dean got mad or he made a mistake he would actually apologize. I think he did mature a little.
Of course somebody else "clocked" it. A show like this has many viewers they're bound to notice things too
Right!!! He even started going on the path of feeling menacing and borderline abusive towards Rory??? Like... where did that come from??? The way Rory was SCARED of his reaction to the Jesse accident and not just because she had to sorta admit she was emotionally cheating, but because she was scared of him PHYSICALLY LASHING OUT??? And it was so obvious they wrote him that way all just so that we would start rooting for Jesse instead of him 😪
We wouldn't have wanted Jess if they didn't make Dean less likeable. And some of us still didn't like Jess, we just left hating both options. It also didn't help that by around season 3 (2005) he got a starring role on another show. Though filmed in the same area/lots it was getting harder to keep him so they were trying to write him off. Each time they tried it didn't do well with ratings, so they basically used him for character assassination making him feel like he was around more and more important without him having to have as much air-time. It is a classic tactic used when characters are on multiple shows because the high drama helps you forget just how little they were actually featured in the episode. It also lets them plan a few episodes in advance and bulk shoot over 1 or 2 days. If Dan hadn't joined the OC which filmed super far away they'd probably have destroyed him too.
I was always annoyed by how Rory treated her boyfriend Paul in the revival, when he seemed to be a perfectly nice guy. Then I realised that Rory was so used to being fawned all over by everyone in her small town, and when she wasn't doing well with her journalism career, she used Paul as a crutch to boost her own spirits.
Yup, I only liked Rory in season 1, she became annoying very early on 🙄
@badwolf7850 honestly, no one would want to be treated like that irl, so especially nobody would want to see characters they love treating someone so cruelly outright. I can see why the characters did it ( like og comment said using him as a crutch) but then why were we supposed to laugh at him??
Hated what they did to her in the revival and they tried to make everyone's treatment of Paul a joke that's not funny to treat anyone like that luke and lorelai was just as bad as well.
I was Just always annoyed by Rory and it depresses me lane after so many years was on suits as the same effing Asian bff
I always thought the Paul thing might have been an inside joke that went on too long. Alexis's real life husband's middle name is Paul and I can't help but wonder if that is why the writers thought the whole name forgetting thing was so funny.
I don’t love the age difference between Paris and Asher, but their relationship made allot of sense to me. Think about it, Paris’s parents are almost completely absent from the show, we see her mom once in season 1 for a very brief scene and she’s actively criticizing Paris’s skin and overall appearance, we NEVER see her Dad, and we only hear about her parents a hand full of times throughout the course of the show after that. They don’t even show up for her high school graduation, remember how shocked and amazed she was after spending Christmas with Jamie and his family? She calls Lorelai “the closest thing I have to a mother outside of Nanny” in AYITL which is shocking to Lorelai because they really haven’t spent all that much time together. Paris is STARVED for parental love and approval, it makes perfect sense to me that she would fall in love with someone like Asher, who is 1) a parent 2) a teacher 3) an older individual who’s more mentally compatible with her. Asher was able to provide Paris with the emotional support, acceptance and approval that she never received from her own parents. Is the relationship inappropriate and low key/high key creepy? Sure. But we often seek in our partners all the things we got or never got from our parents, so parental love starved Paris dating a much older man makes 100% sense for her character, and I think in some ways, adds some depth to her character
On point!
I must agree with this, it's not at all weird that young people on those years after finishing high school date much older people.
No matter how much I find it cringe worthy, many of my college friends did it.
YOURE SO SMART
It definitely makes sense for Paris to date an older guy since she starved from her parents approval. But it's still maximum creepy for an older men (who is mature enough to have the responsibility to say no), simply taking advantage of an clearly unstable (and therefore open for manipulation) young girl like Paris. This "relationship" should have been at least portrayed as questionable in the show. Because otherwise it's just as always in the media, fetishizing and normalizing the "underage school girl dates her much older teacher" trope". Which encourages the normalization of unhealthy power imbalances, this is not an eye to eye "relationship".
@@marianonseq472 eh that's not weird but it is weird that much older people are so open to dating young people fresh out of high school. that aspect is the strangest, most uncomfortable part of it [to me].
30:10 You gotta understand the that mansion for Lorelei was a Skinners box of torture
One of my favorite, and saddest , details of the show was when Emily, Rory, and Lorelei go to Mia's wedding, and they are standing outside the house and Lorelei lets herself in. Emily is aghast at the informality, but Lorelei says something like Mia wants people to feel at home. And then you remember that, in every single Friday night dinner, Lorelei Knocked and waited outside, as way to express that this house was no longer her home. Emily was surprised that Lorelei let herself into Mia's place, which means that Lorelei was telling Emily exactly how she felt every Friday and it went right over her head.
this is such a good way to put it and i’ve never thought about this
Wow I've never thought about this, thanks for pointing it out. The show has such great writing
this was an excellent observation. I always wondered why they rang the bell friday nights, and didn’t use a key to her parents family home. I did notice when Lorelai let herself in that night she came over to bring Rory’s clothes when she was pissed at them during the court case timeframe.
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word to your mother
about paris and rory's relationship; YES. i thought i was the only one whi felt bad for paris that she was the only one who considered rory her best friend meanwhile rory didn't even consider paris near the best friend aspect at all. i think i remember in one of the episodes where someone referred to paris as rory's bestfriend and rory was just like "...yeah... i guess she's my best friend..." like i genuinely felt bad for paris 😭
Paris treated Rory very poorly, even whe they were already friends. I like their relationship but I also think this is unfair we wanting Rory treat Paris like her best friend when Paris was very unstable.
Yes, yes, yes. She always talks about her like she is not a friend. When she meets those two girls in college Olivia and what’s her name, they are super fascinated by Paris and instead of having pride and saying that is my friend, she says we went to high school together. What? Girl you are living with her and you are FRIENDS. There are so many instances of that. It annoys me so much because Paris is very loyal to her. Well except for the one time she kicked her out 😂
I don’t know why people think they’re best friends so much when they seemed more like frenemies. I’m already on season 4 at episode 2 where Rory doesn’t even want Paris as a roommate in Yale and i honestly don’t blame her with the way she treated her in Chilton. I don’t get peoples love for Paris in general. Especially people who say they want someone like her as a friend in real life😓
my favourite guy for rory was definitely logan because he did something dean and jess couldn’t. he thought he didn’t deserve rory and for that reason he didn’t pursue her or make her uncomfortable and only got together with her because she wanted to. he was respectful of her life, understanding how important her mum was to her and how important the town of stars hollow was to her too. unlike dean and jess, he wasn’t looking in on the rich world he was looking in on the small town charm world from the rich word, he also reminds me a lot of lorelai, they both come from rich families whose views they don’t agree with, we’re quite reckless teenagers and fast talkers. lorelai found her way out while logan didn’t however. rory didn’t go and fall in love with a man who reminded her of her father. she went and found someone who loved her strongly, unconditionally like her mother, someone who reminded her of her mother.
i also think that dean was rory’s christopher. BOTH parents idea of a perfect boyfriend, the first love, the first sexual partner, the man both gilmore girls keep running to despite knowing how wrong he is for them and the man who ultimately they’ll always love because he’s what safe feels like.
Wow you actually put it into words! This is exactly how I feel.
That's an interesting twist to say Dean is Rory's Christopher)
And Logan's part made me laugh a bit because I remembered he came to Lorelei asking for a permission to propose to Rory, so old school. I guess what makes Lorelei a good mother is that she accepted all Rory's boyfriend - not approved but accepted her daughter and her relationships
Nah I don’t like him. He wasn’t a good influence on her at all really. In relationships or in real life. Jess may have made some mistakes but he always pushed her to follow her passions and be real with herself.
SpaceFoxx I feel like Logan loved her unconditionally but was supportive to a fault. He never really clocked Rory the way she needed when she needed it. He was still my favorite for her, though, especially with how much he grew later on. I don’t really get the Jess love. I feel like we didn’t see enough of Jess and Rory together, especially as a functional couple, for me to really have any strong feelings about it. It just felt like a blip to me with how brief it was in comparison to the rest of the show.
@SpaceFoxx i actually think jess was so fixed on being with the rory he knew, seventeen year old rory who took no risks and was content in her little stars hollow life that he never accepted the fact that she might’ve grown and moved on without him (like when he begged her to run away with him and was so upset when she said no). to me he feels like the ancient ex who pops up every now and then claiming to know you better than anyone but really they know the you you were when you were with them which was a hell of a long time ago and you’ve changed and grown since then.
I highly disagree that Mrs. Kim did not engage in abusive parenting tactics with Lane. She controlled EVERY aspect of Lane's life, and Lane could not be herself for the first 18 or so years of her life. When Lane's secret life was revealed, she was shunned and kicked out. Lane wasn't allowed to eat normal food. She didn't get to go out to the things other kids did. She didn't get to choose a college she liked. Lane lived with so much more stress and fear than she needed to bc of how controlling Mrs. Kim was. Controlling every aspect of what a kid does, who she dates, what she eats, what she can watch and listen to, and reacting with extreme punishment whenever those rules are violated, so that the kid is living in constant fear, is abuse to me.
Bad mom
Not to mention that to punish Lane, she would literally lock her in her room and hide the key
Ms. Kim did Think lane was being herself, she didn’t know Lane was hiding anything
@@joeymorini7685 maybe she didnt know bc she punished and intimidated lane for any way that she strayed from her path? lane was punished if she ate the wrong food, if she wanted to date a non-korean, etc so you can't really complain that you didn't know your kid was hiding anything if you intimidated them from doing/being anything else besides what you wanted lmao
She’s a tiger mom. And while is somewhat exaggerated. It’s very present in Asian households. My boyfriend is Chinese and his grandmother is a lot like
Mrs. Kim. Not like mean or anything, but it’s really just the notion of “I know best” and most of the time they do. It’s just taken to the extreme here.
There was another scene like the not rectifying paris' sexual activity after not getting into Harvard. It really bothered me that lane's first time Was such a bad experience and she got pregnant and then hated and gave up on sex. They didn't rectify that either as far as I can remember. The just smoothed into the pregnancy plot and it's a really weird message to send.
I am with you on that. I hate how the writing made it seem like if girls have sex, they should be punished.
But the odd thing is Paris waited. Lane was married so they should have had good experiences. Oh wait, I think Paris had better experiences when she was with her college boyfriend so in a way, that’s good.
I think Lane was young and it did not help that she became pregnant right after her first time so she never had a chance to experiment more and see the good things about it because they were so busy with the twins. However, she and Zack stayed together. They did not just say, oh the sex is bad. I am divorcing you. They had other things to fall back on (bad wording) and things that kept them together which I liked too.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Yes, even while thinking conservatively they didn't do anything wrong at the times where they were "punished" for having sex.
One thing that lane said after her first time stuck with me. I don't know the exact words but she jsut said her mom was right and she should never have sex again because it is a thing that does only bringt pain and emberessment with it for girls. That all women who said they enjoyed Sex would lie. It made me really sad hearing her say that and I was waiting for a solution (they could've easily just made a scene where she tells rory that it got better after trying what worked for them) but then the pregnancy Story line came in and they plot forgot about it.
@@paula-wp1sh yeah I agree. I like to think as the kids got older and they had more date nights, they tired again and it got better. I just don’t get why they tried their first time in the worst spot imaginable, on the beach. Lane is right about saying they would be doing it in the bed from now on.
I get Paris’s reason for it at first. She was focused on Harvard (wait for it) and she thought getting distracted by a boy and sex and it affected her from doing something extra (like another extracurricular or she may have got a lower grade in something) to get in. And she took it out on her having sex. I think she would have punished herself regardless for any issue.
And boys use this excuse sometimes too especially in sports. They have to avoid fewer distractions so their mind is on practice in the game.
So from that perspective, I see where she is coming from.
From everything else, no I do not.
What's with the weird trope in TV shows that a girl has sex for the first time and gets pregnant like ik it's not uncommon but like it seems like some kind of moral highground like "it was only one time tho so she's not a slut for getting pregnant!
@@katc2040 no she was not. I am in the middle. Agree with you about the trope but I get how this could happen in real life at times.
I am unsure about zack, but let’s assume he is naive about sex too. I get having two people who know little about this activity and they may have had unprotected sex or his sperm count is really good. I don’t know. Maybe the condom fell off or was not attached properly.
But with you on the trope and how the situation was poorly written.
In the DVD box sets, they have a little booklet that explains every. Single. Reference. They make in each episode 💙
And it's a LITTLE booklet? 🤔😆
WHEREEE CAN I BUY THIS?
But it used to be so much fun researching those refs for oneself, back in the day. By the way, I actually do remember PJ Harvey.
@@user-no7hz3cr9zidk about booklets but there are newer videos with some guy explaining every reference for every episode..... I've been watching them to sleep lately 😅
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You touched on this during the video, but I think the biggest reason why Rory turned out the way she did is because she basically grew up without parents. Everyone who wasn't Lorelai, like her grandparents and Christopher, had very little authority over her since their relationship could easily be cut off if Rory wanted. The only one who had any actual power to set her straight was Lorelai, but this whole "best friend first, mother second" thing allowed Rory to get away with horrible behavior that later on evolved into what we saw. For example, early on in the series, Rory starts snapping at everyone because she had a fight with Dean (I think they broke up or something). She not only says awful things to Lorelai (if I spoke to my mother like that I would have been slapped across the face, rightfully so) and then RUNS AWAY to her grandparents house. And what does Lorelai do after she freaked out over Rory going missing? She allows her to stay there until next morning and then comes in to talk to her all "friendly" because she believes Rory understands she did wrong. BUT SHE DOESNT, what Rory learns from this experience is that she can be horrible to everyone around her, run away from home, and have no consequences as long as she says "sorry". She doesn't even get grounded. I feel this was what contributed the most to her behavior later on, which is sad because I do believe she would have turned out better (she was a hard worker, and a kind person) if she had been set straight when she needed to be.
This is a great take wow! I agree, she threw pretty aggressive tantrums when she wouldn’t get her way but it was always portrayed as if the adults in the story were overstepping.
Definitely agree with this. I used to love their relationship but now I don’t think it is the healthiest. I think if Lorelai was a mother first, Rory might’ve turned out different.
Definitely Quite possible🤔She also experienced amazing communication with the adults in her life, which helped her to cope as an adult, it’s definitely complicated to raise any child the “right”way 😳😊I know from experience 🤣👌😳🥰
@@sarapinkandpurple that's true, I think there were certainly good sides to Lorelai's parenting, like Rory always felt confortable stating her opinion, which some with strict parents don't (since they are taught to "shut up" and listen to authority). But I think the biggest drawback was that Rory never learned how to manage her emotions correctly. In the example I gave above, it was okay for Rory to be upset about what happened with her and Dean, but it wasn't okay to be mean to everyone and run away. If Lorelai had punished her for it, Rory would have learned there is a proper way to deal with being upset or angry. Which would have helped, for example, with the whole Yale incident, she might have not responded to Mitchum's comments so extremely.
I completely agree. To add even more: the adults around her (except Charleston at the beginning) were all the time telling Rory how amazing and smart and special she was. I think somehow she bought and believed those ideas, that reinforced the privileges.
I wish you had put the Michele scene where he is delivering the CD to Lane. He runs around the block way more times than he was meant to and idk that scene always made me think Michele’s lack of wanting to help people was a front.
I agree. I think it was more so he was lazy and didn't feel like doing random favors but he cared about the people so he knew you do those things for the ones you care for.
He did tell her never to ask for his help again
Edit: and remember when he was competing with Corbin, the night manager? He was so scared Lorelei and Sookie wouldn't want to continue working with him. And then he gets soooo mad when he's trying to give Luke a list of things to fix around the Inn and how he and Lorelei go to Weston's and have cake and make the list.
Idk I lowk thought he had an eating disorder throughout the whole show
I don't think Richard was neutral or layed back as a father. Lorelai said herself that he demanded something from her and if she didn't come up to his standard he dropped her and lost interest because poor him was sooo disappointed. That's emotional blackmail, gaslighting and neglect. And even after all this years he hadn't changed towards his daughter. They weren't even able to have a real fight or argument because he didn't want to deal with Lorelai's different opinion. Like when the fight broke out between Richard and Straub, Lorelai thought finally, there is her father standing up for her, siding with her. She wanted to thank him for it and what did he do? He told her he did it for the Gilmore name - for his pride, his ego to tell the truth. Nice dad.
I think that's an incident of an unrealiable "narrator". Lorelai says it but that doesn't mean it's true. I think it's probably most accurate to say he expected her to live up to the standards that he expected them all to live up to and that, when she didn't, he gave up. Not that he was neutral or didn't care but that he knew it was a losing battle so didn't bother. Which, given Lorelai's stubbornness, may show how well he knew his daughter.
I think the scene about protecting the Gilmore name shows a very interesting difference between Richard and Lorelai. By protecting the Gilmore name, Richard feels like he is protecting his family (which includes his daughter) and is frustrated that she can't understand why he does the things he does. Lorelai is hurt that he doesn't place her feelings above the whole family. She does seem to sort of understand after this conversation because she says something like, "I feel sad for you." Which, judging by his reaction, is unnecessary because he doesn't think of it negatively. Maybe to be more clear: Richard views protection of family from a place of practicality and social/financial stability while Lorelai views it from a place of emotional understanding and well-being.
I actually really like that scene (along with many others) because, in my opinion, neither one of them are wrong they are just two people with fundamentally different ideas about what a family is. It's very clear in the scene that they both want to be understood on a deeper level by each other but just can't.
Exactly!!
Ah that scene made me so sad because she had to listen to Straub saying that shit about her and then she thought her dad standing up for her meant he was proud of her and stuff but then he was like actually no.
Parents like that are never "neutral" or "laid back." They are working in concert with their wife qnd they enabled eachother
yes!
I think I enjoy Luke's character so much because I was raised in a family of grumpy men who underneath the tough skin is just really selfless and sometimes really goofy and he embodies that type of person so well.
People always argue that Dean suddenly became a bad boyfriend so the show could make room for Jess, but I think the writers did a good job in sowing the seeds of Dean's downfall early. Even taking Jess out of the equation, Dean was too clingy. Lorelai chalked it up to him being so in love, but it was a real problem. Like when he decided to ambush Rory after she told him she wanted a day to herself to do homework, and that was after she promised to go out tomorrow. Or how he would blow up or blame Rory for things outside of her control. Remember when Rory was terrified over losing Dean's bracelet, not because she loved it, but because she wanted to avoid another blow up fight. As soon as she started walking on eggshells, scared of his reaction to things like that it was rightly over. He was also irrationally mad at other characters down the line like Lindsey and Luke.
But those were the things we think made him suddenly become a bad boyfriend. I personally feel like they ruined his character but also appreciated that they showed that sometimes people change and develop quirks or some just spring up as you get to know them that just make them incompatible. I watched the show as a teen and fell in love with it and Dean and then felt like the character I fell in love with was essentially written off the show. Now watching it with my kids and they love Dean and I hope they care less than I did when he changes 😂
I hated Dean as soon as he started exhibiting those red flags, and Rory constantly apologising. I don't understand why everyone adores him so much.
@@finesite1459 i feel like dean looking like how he looks helps in looking over his red flags lol
That's why Luke didn't like him. He saw right thru him. Dean's bachelor party when drunk Dean starts talking about Rory. Huge red flags.
Dean was never a good boyfriend lmao. So many people say how season 1 Dean was so good but he wasn't. He literally broke up with Rory because she didn't say I love you back. And yeah he was 16 and didn't know how to handle stuff but the same goes for Rory. Other than that he would get angry, wouldn't listen for Rory to explain herself and was clingy. He had some good moments but he was not a good boyfriend
Kirk is a great example of how a community can care for and appreciate neurodiverse people who don't fit within the traditional molds of society. I love the way that the people of Stars Hollow band together to make sure Kirk is always looked after and supported.
I don't think I ever hated Rory (except for the Revival, it was just unbelivebale). I think I learned to love her in the earlier seasons like family. Sometimes they don't behave like you want them to, but you love them trough it & hope they find the right way.
In general the whole show feels like home to me. Probably because I watched it a lot in my teenage years.
Agree wholeheartedly. I don't think I ever hated anyone on the show. Didn't really find anyone annoying too often. But that also kind of mirrors how I view people who actually exist. I'm pretty forgiving of people's idiosyncrasies and flaws regardless of how close I am to them. I'm actually surprised anyone would hate the characters because of how good the writers were at giving them good and bad traits and having them react realistically to situations.
Once I started pretending the revival was set just a year or so after college, I had an easier time enjoying it (even though it was hard to overlook how much everyone had aged).
Yea but with that logic you can love anyone. However considering they are fictional they should be written in a way that makes them redeemable unlike her
THIS COMMENT>>>>
I think you are the first person I've heard point out that A Year in the Life feels so odd and awful because the storyline picked up where it left off, rather than where the characters would be almost a decade later. I absolutely agree, and it actually feels so obvious that I'm surprised I didn't think it until you pointed it out here. Rory struggling so much to get footing as a journalist and the sense of entitlement and better-than-thou attitude she has in her career would make a lot more sense as a twenty-something recently graduated at the top of her year at a top university. After almost a decade of rejection, logically she should be looking into an alternative career (such as teaching) or, at the very least, not still be believing against all evidence that she is topshit in her field.
Paris and Emily are the only two whose storylines made sense for the characters at that time in their lives and I'm happy for them.
Also, I think the moment I turned off Rory was when she risked going to see Jess on the day of her mother's graduation and missed the event. I kept wanting that moment to be silly, childish thing. I kept wanting her to come back from that, and was genuinely disappointed that she never did.
YES the. Reflux special destroyed t he series forever. And I hated that Lorelei never talked with Luke about children. Why not? They’ve been together for ten years. Argggg.
I just recently rewatched the whole series and re-fell in love with it after being set off kilter by the revival. I didn't understand why Rory ended up a "failure", why Lorelai and Luke were still kinda rocky, and why Rory would sleep with Logan. Then I watched the show again and it all made perfect sense the trajectory of the characters. Honestly, it's crazy how well the show runners followed through on their characterization. Because she was older than me in universe, I sometimes forgot that Rory was only a few years older than me and was experiencing the rapid proliferation of technology, the 2008 financial crisis, and intense hiring market just a few years before I would. They trickled in time stamps throughout the series of this changing world throughout the original series (the Gilmore's getting a computer and WIfi for RIchard to use at home, Luke refusing to get a cellphone, traditional newspapers figuring out whether they should go online or not, Logan's failed online startup), so of course Rory's expectations of journalism would no longer her serve her in today's environment where clickbait and hustle is king and she's still stuck on investigative rigor and a pensioned/benefited job. And it's obvious she still holds this opinion in the revival when she looks down on that Buzzfeed-esque journal to the point she doesn't even come in with ideas to the interview and expected to have the job based on name alone.
I think this also plays into the fact that she wants to be like her mother. She could have easily married Logan, they could have been happy together, and she could have even taken the job following Obama's campaign knowing Logan would be there to support her. He would have had plenty of resources for her to fall back on to figure out what she really wanted at the end of that gig too. But I think she took her mother's example to heart (you can do anything, work your way up, raise a child, be independent) which is not necessarily a bad thing. Lorelai did an amazing job with what she had and she did work her way up, become a homeowner and a business owner, and raise her daughter with compassion and patience. But that's not the world Rory inherited where a single teen mom could do that on the timeline Lorleai was able to. EVen less so in the corporate or academic worlds. Today's world is really only affordable for partnerships and two incomes. I think I've gained a lot more sympathy for Rory as a fellow millenial (and one that luckily didn't have to graduate into the 2008 crisis) after my rewatch.
And to answer your question, I stand by Logan being the best match for her. I find it truly sad where they are in the revival though when THEY could have been married...
this!!! that is such a perfect comment on rory’s career trajectory. i always forget how difficult the adjustment from print to online is despite wanting to be a journalist myself and growing up in the digital ended era of journalism. of course, rory’s views (bolstered by yale and her grandfather and being in a small non-metropolitan town) would be outdated and hold the expectations of traditional working and print over new-age digital ideas!
I really think Rory would have been happier and had a more stable life if she married Logan. I don’t get why she felt like she had to choose him or her career because she could easily have both.
@@emiblock3634 well, she couldn't have both really - as far as I remember, she was told by Logan's family it would be expected for his wife to perform all those high society duties, not pursuing a career of her own
i don't disagree that the revival it's a natural progression for the characters but at the same time i'm 100% sure amy palladino was just mad at s7 bc she didn't write it and wanted to shit all over it lmao
@@emiblock3634 no. Marriage don't solve anything. Marriage ia a huge commitment. Are you married. Do you really understand how hard of a commitment marriage is.
I liked Taylor a lot. He is definitely insufferable at times but he fulfilled an essential community role for everyone. Stars Hollow wouldn't have been what it was without his contributions.
I love how you underlined and talked in depth about the photography and cinematography because I feel that’s a very big part of what makes me bond with a show and makes me go back to it, as you said the first season felt like comfort because of that too. And I was so shocked in the revival because it was so different it didn’t feel like the same show. I feel that the show lost most of its warmth along the way and it’s such a shame considering how well they did it in the first seasons.
Yes absolutely!!! People talk about the plot alot which is valid, but the cinematography, set design, and lighting was SO important to me. Like sure with the revival they tried to add some warmth in it but it was lost with the set design and clothing design, everything was so perfect which is not true to life. If you look at the earlier seasons, things are messy, things have textures, so many objects are things I had in my own house but later everything started to get to primped and proper which made the show not feel true to life anymore and thus not feel relatable. Like even from the start Richard and Emily's house was always perfect and spotless but with the lighting and stuff it still made it feel homey. Like I think the best cinematography and texture of the show was honestly the pilot (even though buildings/locations were changed) it felt so real. The background characters and cars, the stuff on people lawns, how people dressed, how people decorated there houses....it all felt raw. The messy camera quality and grain really helped the show
It was just my mum and I at home after my Dad died. This show made me feel less alone being a mother/daughter team. On Saturday nights we would buy chocolate and watch the latest GG episode together. The chocolate was necessary because we knew the show would make us crave junk haha.
Happy memories during hard times that I’m grateful for.
What I love the most about the show is that there is no evil. Just normal life with normal people and pretty normal issues. Characters have flaws because that's how human nature is in real life too. They make mistakes and do wrong things like everybody does. It lifts my spirit just knowing that at any time I can get hold of Gilmore Girls's life in Stars Hollow!!!
Yes, exactly how I feel. These people are no more flawed than the rest of the world.
I was always really impressed with how the actor who played Emily (Kelly Bishop) looked in the flashbacks. She has such acting range that I really believed that she was older or younger depending on the time period that the show was portraying. Big props to her 👏
She is sooooo talented!
I got the impression that Rory’s “terror” over losing Dean’s bracelet wasn’t because she was afraid of him, but because she puts so much pressure on herself to be perfect, and by extension - the perfect girlfriend. People take Rory’s asking Dean “Are you mad?” all the time to mean that he made her nervous, but she often asked her mom the same thing. I think she prides herself on being able to keep the peace, and is quick to try and fix things whenever something rocks the boat. I think Lorelai calling Dean “the perfect boyfriend” contributes to Rory’s attempts to try and be the “perfect girlfriend” for him. And I also think it’s telling that Rory is always asking “Are you mad?” instead of “Are you mad at ME?”.
That whole thing bugged me, but maybe for different reasons. I think her panic was guilt over hanging out with Jess. If she hadn’t felt so guilty, she could have expressed her surprise that it was missing in front of Dean and then told him she would look for it. Also, she wore that bracelet every day. There’s no way she would have gone two weeks without noticing it was missing.
@@moonbattexactlyyyy!!!!! Finally someone said it!!🙌🏻
@@Clarewillows 😊😊😊
Luke is favorite character, he’s not perfect, but I appreciate his authenticity. He also just reminds me of a lot of men I grew up around, capable, loyal, gruff, but genuinely good. I’m also realizing that Luke Danes and Darcy apparently shaped my preferences in romantic and platonic relationships.
I can’t put it better than Sondheim “Nice is different than good” and that’s exactly why I never fully embraced Christopher and Logan. Their superficial charm set off too many red flags for me.
Jesse grew on me, once he dropped the defensive act. When he showed up after the Yale storyline, and was immediately having none of the bullshit. His monologue was so satisfying. I mean, Jesse bringing that reality check from the top rope.
On Luke being awkward with Lorelai, my theory is that it’s because Lorelai has a very loud and colorful personality, and Luke is very reserved, so it’s possible he felt a little intimidated by her (not in a bad way; more like “she’s so full of life, why would she ever want to be with me?” kind of thing)
Negative consequences to girls being sexually active is disturbingly common. Nancy in Stranger Things, Winona Ryder’s character in Mermaids from the 90s, and a character in JK Rowling’s The Casual Vacancy all feature a person dying or nearly doing so while a young girl was having sex, mostly for the first time. We seem to still be holding onto to old ideas about female sexuality, and if they should even have it.
not to mention every 80's slasher movie
Also, in The Secret Life of the American Teenager.
@@ennuiblue4295 Those movies are equal opportunity...the sexually active boys die just as much as girls!
Oh my God! Lindsey! I feel bad for her. She deserved none of it.
Lindsey and Shane were done dirty
@@PrincessSybilla77 Marty was too, it's like they felt compelled to make him into a jerk when he never showed any indication of that. He separated himself from Rory because he knew he caught feelings and knew he couldn't be 'just friends'. The whole pretending to not know each other arc wasn't his character, he was honest and straight forward
I read a fanfic once, where the bottom line was "and lindsay decided to remain silent" and I think.it was the saddest thing I read so far. It's german though
@@ennuiblue4295 actually there are plenty of guys like marty. Adorable and considerate at first, but when you don't match their feelings they become distant and cold. This has nothing to do with withdrawing because its healthy. He decided not to tell his girlfriend that he had a crush on Rory? How immature is that (and of rory to go with it, but we all know she seeks attention and stability from guys) and rather lied to her the whole time about even knowing her? That is someone who's ego had been hurt, but not in a good way. It's the "not so nice -nice guy". I liked it cause it showed that you can get hurt even and especially by people you thought you knew so well
@@not-a-ghost2206 agreed! I literally knew guys like that in college. I dont get that behaviour but it definitely happens
While I misunderstood Ms. kim at first, I respected her as the show went on.
She did not like Zack at all at first, but when she saw how much they loved each other and how much he respected Lane, she went above and beyond making sure he can provide for her daughter.
And while she can be strict, there is always give and take with her. I loved that scene where Lane was happy to be standing outside on the porch which shows that Ms. kim does care about Lane’s happiness in small ways.
And while it took for a while, due to pride, she did apologize to Lane if she hurt her or has done something which some people don’t do. I respect that.
Especially as a Korean immigrant. The subtext of Lane being a first generation American is actually really important to her story. You see her Korean Grandmother visit and how Mrs. Kim also rebelled by becoming Christian, veering away from her own parents' Buddhism, hiding all her Christian iconography, and replacing them with Buddha. Often emotions are not talked about, and apologizing was a BIG DEAL for Mrs. Kim.
@@kyndramb7050 wow! I didn’t see that.
Really like your point and your perspective.
1:23:43 at the time I definitely liked Jess more, but it was probably the dreamy bad boy thing. Looking back now, I think Logan was the best for Rory at the time ( in colege), he showed how privileged she was and how the real world worked. From a young age Rory was shelter, the sentiment " Rory is special" was so prevelent that I can't even judge her.
However, at the revival, it just bothered me the fact that they hadn't changed!
Yes, the fact that all of Logan's character growth in the seventh season was just ignored in the revival just incensed me. He ended the series so well and then him in the revival was such a let down.
See I still like Jess more as a person but Logan is the best for Rory. Jess does not need a girlfriend, he needs a therapist.
I liked Dean best (before they ruined his character, I wish he stayed on his original trajectory).
Honestly Jess was the best looking to me, he was book smart and quick like Rory. Him and Logan were good rivals, the show wrote Dean too dumb for Rory.
I'm really impressed by how thorough and balanced this series review was! I didn't agree with every single thing you said, but it honestly would've been pretty crazy if I did, and in the end I agreed with like 95% of it, and could understand your perspective the other 5% of the time. What I think I appreciated most was your commitment to evaluating the narrative on its own terms and not just automatically interpreting everything though an "in hindsight and from a 2022 perspective" lens. You _do_ discuss how the show comes across in hindsight, and from a modern perspective, which is entirely valid, but you do a great job of first discussing the show on its own terms and _then_ discussing how the perspective of hindsight effects what we take away from the narrative.
I totally agrree that ms. Kim was not abusive. She was strict. I grew up with a parent that was in many ways just like mrs. Kim, in the strict sense, and so i had to act like Lane and hide my true self but my dad WAS abusive and the difference is HUGE. Lane was afraid of disappointing her mom but she wasn't afraid of her mom hurting her. When Lane drew up the courage to stand up to her, Ms. Kim would recognize that she needed to address the situation and did so. She stuck with her boundaries and rules but gave Lane options. She never belittled lane, she never threatened her, she never hurt her, she never minimized her, she never wanted to make her feel bad, and she never manipulated her. She was always upfront about what the rules were and why and while the rules sucked or we're extreme... she was consistent. While Emily had her own weird and extreme rules, Emily resorted to talking down to Lorelai, manipulating situations to make her go along with her ideas, and using control and coercion. An abusive parent will withhold love and affection, will try to break a person's esteem, and will use threats and power over the person. Ms. Kim was a lot but she wasn't abusive. I think this is why Lane has such good feelings towards her parents even though she didn't agree with them and had to learn how to create a life that was different from theirs. Lorelai had to force her way out and literally became estranged from her parents in order to individuate.
Yes to all of this and I felt there was give and take with Ms. Kim. Whenever she felt she was being too harsh, she became more lenient. Even though she never approved of Lane dating, she did what she could to get to know her boyfriends.
I loved her with Zack. She saw how hard he worked for her and Lane’s approval but she made sure she got to know them and help them. I loved that.
Yeah, completely agree that while she seemed mean at times, she always loved Lane and wanted what was best for her. She never manipulated her. She never laid a hand on her and she never verbally or emotionally abuse her. She made sure Lane can talk to her even if it was hard to listen to at times.
Strict *is* abusive. It harms children, stunts their emotional growth and can make it harder for them to relate to their peers, and can cause PTSD. I grew up with parents that were abusive and made me suicidal by the age of 11. Part of what made them abusive was that they were strict.
@@KristinNirvana i am sorry you had to go through that.
Please don’t mind me saying this, I think it depends on the level of strictness. I also had a couple of teachers who were strict and one hated kids and while she did not hit them, she got them and me in trouble for everything. She lied to our parents. Before me, she put a kid on antidepressants. It was a rumor, but spending a month with her proved why this kid went on them. She had other teachers by her side who did not help us at all.
So yes. I do agree that some strict people can be abusive.
I am not trying to belittle your experience by saying this, but I personally feel in Lane’s case, her mom was not abusive. She was very strict and overprotective which I do agree can cause some damage, but she never tried to lie, manipulate, or hurt her daughter. What changes my view on it is that Ms. Kim changes throughout the show and that she compromises with her daughter. If she did not have these two things, I would agree with you wholeheartedly on her character.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 She did hurt her daughter though. Throughout the series we see Lane trying to sneak her personality wherever she can because her mother is hurting her by not allowing her to be her true self. We see Lane having to comply with her mother's choices of dates for her and hide her real crushes and boyfriends. That's hurt. Abuse includes having to hide who you are as a person from people who won't accept you for who you are. Compromise often comes because parents start to realize how much damage they did. It happened to my parents too, where they started to compromise and change as time went by. That doesn't mean they weren't abusive beforehand.
@@KristinNirvana ok I see what you are saying.
in slight defense of Jackson in the vasectomy storyline, sookie was wrong for just ordering him to get it done in the first place. no discussion. no looking into other options. no asking him how he felt. he was dead wrong for lying about getting it done, but there seemed to be a startling lack of communication in both directions. I'm shocked they stayed together after that fiasco, tbh
Agreed!
I mean as you said, he was completely wrong to lie, but she was just as wrong to demand he get a vasectomy without any prior discussion!
If your that sure you don't want another one, get your own damn tubes tied... OR do the mature thing, sit your husband down and have a discussion like adults!
I mean yes demanding is rude. But condoms aren`t safe and she didn`t want more kids. It`s not a big thing for a man. She must have used birth control for ages before Davy it`s only fair that now he should`ve done his part. It`s her body she did not want to have another kid.
@@stephjovi yes it's her body and yeah she probably used birth control but in a marriage or longterm relationship just demanding things with no discussion or concern for your partner's feelings is a really bad way to go about things and is just a set up for disaster. In no way was Jackson justified in lying to her, it was super shitty. But just making demands and final decisions about your relationship and your family with no regard for your partner or any discussion a good way to go about a relationship.
They did that cause Melissa was pregnant in rl so they said he didn't have a vasectomy.
@@micivalantincic8227 should've said the doctor botched it it didn't stick. It happens. Anything would've been better than this storyline. But thx for the explanation. Helps to know they wanted to make it easer for Melissa write the pregnancy in and just didn't come up with a better story
I would love a second revival season, mostly just because I'm a sucker for more Gilmore Girls content, but also because I think we all really badly want some sort of redemption arc for Rory. Half her life seems to be a series of bad, self-centered decisions. I think her being a mom and having to be responsible for another human for the first time could be a really interesting opportunity for her to grow in a way that many fans long hoped for. I feel like Lorelai's story is more or less complete at this point (and Emily's certainly is), but Rory's is just kind of left hanging.
I still like Rory, I just don't like her all the time, but she's a great complex character
Great show, awful revival 😑
Mitchum was completely right about Rory's lack of grit and the revival only emphasised that.
Rory also sounded like she was self aware but lacked any real awareness of where she sat in relation to her classmates.
Love Digger for whatever reason. I love Lorelai despite her flaws too (whereas Rory's flaws annoy me lol)
I'm younger than Rory but always gravitated towards Lorelai more.
Regardless of any criticism the show is worth a watch!
Mitchum was one of the only people who told her what she needed to hear and he did her a favor because clearly she was shielded her entire life.
Same I respect Lorelei, she’s not perfect but she’s still an all around good person and hella good character!!!
i love the style of older shows, i wish all newer shows could have a cozy feel to them
Yeah I came to loathe Rory and was far more invested in Lorelai's story as it progressed. I hated the revival though. I've never been bored and unwhelmed by something I was excited for.
It was a very underwhelming revival, you are absolutely right
41:51 Yaaaas, thanks for mentioning this. Paris absolutely is on the spectrum. I don't know if the authors met someone like her or if they intentionally thought about making an autistic character (sadly, a less likely scenario) but she has a lot of characteristics. And as someone on the spectrum myself, I must admit that I saw a lot of myself in her. While Rory always expressed her passions with a calm or light enthusiasm, Paris was the type of person who was all or nothing, a passion that quickly became obsession every time and oh boy that's speaks to me so much 😂
Scott Patterson has said that the Paris-Doyle relationship must be modelled on the Amy-Daniel Palladino relationship.
The tree episode did it for me. I was floored and just horrified at the entitlement. I'm convinced that if she went to Harvard her trajectory would be sooooo different.
the moment i felt really let down by rory's arc is when she went on to date logan after him and his friends were horrible and classicist towards marty (even going out of their way to humiliate him) despite the fact that marty was her friend at the time?? it's horrible enough that logan and his friends acted that way towards other people in of itself but for rory to do nothing as one of her friends suffers the brunt of it???
i think rory's faults always made sense with her character. also i actually never stopped liking her? like in that way you're there for your friend even if theyre in the wrong. idk. maybe i wont like her if i do a rewatch, but i do now.
It was so strange seeing "Grown Up Dean" in the revival, looking like he just walked off the set of "Supernatural". I spent too many years seeing him, with that look, as Sam, lol!
I am currently rewatching the show and as a 27 year old i have to say the most interesting and heart felt scenes to me are the ones where we get glimpses into the complicated and multi layered relationship between Lorelei and her parents. The thing i love most about the show as an adult is that their relationship is never magically healed or fixed. It is difficult and it stays that way because sometimes that's just how it is, too many misunderstandings, fights and conflicts can do that to people. It doesn't take away from the fact that Lorelei's parents want to stay 8n her life because they love her or that she still craves their approval but cannot ask for it - those just make their inability to communicate properly more tragic. And it is realistic. That's life. That's people. Not the weird cookie cutter bff mother daughter sunshine stuff the early seasons tried to sell us, cause that turned out unfortunate as well as we know now
I, for one, liked Lane's arc. It's a testament to the fact that dreams change and people's lives can turn out differently from your teenage ideals. And still, you can end up happy. Lane's rebellion against her repressive mother was fuelled by idealising Rory's relationship with Lorelai. As time goes by, you realise that their bond is not so ideal, that it may be stifling and a little smidge toxic even. With time, Lane's determination sparks respect and growth in her mother, and in turn, Lane understands that Mrs. Kim loves her. Lane and Zack may not be for everyone, but for me, they have a realistic and heartwarming story
Yes exactly! Like I get why what happened with her is so unpopular, but there are plenty of shows and movies and books about repressed kids who grow up to be rockstars and rebels and all that. Lane is such an interesting character to me because despite all of the repression she faced from her mom, she still loved and respected her and knew it was coming from a good place. And it's strange to me that no one ever considered her dreams may have changed over time from wanting to be a rockstar to wanting to be a mom or a wife? I don't think her character is fleshed out enough for us to really know, but just because she doesn't become a rockstar and leave Stars Hollow doesn't mean she doesn't have what she wants. To me it always seemed like Lane's joys in life were being like a sister/best friend to Rory, music, and being apart of her town. Not enough of her adult life is shown in the later seasons, but it seems implied that music and Stars Hollow and Rory are all apart of her life still. There's certainly another universe where we get a Lane Kim spin off show and more insight into how she feels about everything and what she truly wants, but considering Gilmore Girls is not her show, I think what we're shown of her character is still pretty realistic and still worth admiring😅
I definitely really disliked a lot of decisions Rory made and disappointed at how she turned out but I liked that she did turn out that way because it’s realistic. If she turned out more like how she was in season one it wouldn’t have been very believable.
I am always here for a long analysis of Gilmore Girls. I never considered the cinematography and lighting, but the way you framed it - of course! It makes sense that the first few seasons are the comfort and nostalgia seasons 💛🌙🌟✨
Taylor made me want to throw things every time he spoke and the faces he made. Almost made me forget he's just a character and that the actor is most likely not like him at all. Kudos to Michael Winters.
I actually didn't start disliking Rory until the whole leaving yale thing. With Jess she was 17 and so yeah it was bad but teens make a lot of mistakes. With sleeping with Dean i feel like she was heartbroken by Jess and everyone always used to say Dean was perfect so ofc she wanted to go back. It was pretty bad but it was forgivable enough but leaving yale and discarding everything her parents and grandparents did to get her there was the final straw
Same I hate that season where she leaves yale not even because of that but the fact that Lorelai and Rory dont talk the whole season makes it unbarebal I liiterally skip the whole season
I have never seen an episode of Gilmore girls, but i still really enjoyed the video
I really enjoy long retrospectives from fans about shows i haven't seen, so thanks for this
Thank YOU for your support ❤️🥰!!!
LOL That's so weird!!
Not in a bad way, to each their own, I just can't imagine spending two hours on a review of a show I've never seen LOL. Ours honestly the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. I feel a little bit in love with you right now.
@@guybrewin556 lol i get ya,, i just enjoy the vibe of listening to someone talk about smt they're hella passionate about
LMAOO! I do this too!! I have never seen this show ! But I like hearing all about it
I'm going to a GG pub trivia night. This was the best study guide. Wish me luck! (and yes I recognize studying for a trivia night is... a lot, but that's just what I'm like and yay for embracing that, I guess lol)
Lorelei’s conflict resolution skills with Rory are awful at best, non-existent at worst because they didn’t learn it with the smaller stuff. Lorelei says in the pilot that the fight over Dean and Chilton was their first argument, and that’s a few weeks shy of Rory’s sixteenth birthday. Rory sleeps with the married Dean, goes to Europe with Emily for the summer so she doesn’t have to confront her very disproving mother or deal with Dean. Bonus points for sending him a letter and blowing up his marriage by doing so, yet never apologises. Gets bad feedback on an internship performance and steals a boat, goes to Emily and Richard for sympathy to avoid her mother (who gets in a very satisfying Told You So when they realise she was right all along).
There's a ton of things with Luke that I kind of had a "head canon" about. I think basically he lost his parents before he was twenty (part of why he hates hospitals). Also, he had a very rocky relationship with his dad (in my head it was a reaction of his mom dying earlier). Which messed him up as far as emotional intimacy went. It made sense that he wouldn't be able to let even people who knew him (like Rachel) get too close.
Of course, the other problem was the writers kept messing up things in order to keep ratings going, keep the plot moving, etc. Which maybe was the safer choice but it made the show difficult to watch in the latter seasons.
Fun fact they did eat the food for the first few seasons. But stopped when they started getting sick. I think from there they decided to play with food instead of spit takes.
Also it’s possible for someone to be skinny and eat a lot of junk food. We don’t know how much they are but it seemed like junk food was a Saturday night thing only and take out was the main food, which take out if completely fine. I agree that finances were probably all centered around food. Also it’s only the two of them, while Lorelei has an established job. It’s not like she’s feeding ten kids. To add Sookie probably also helped a lot because she was the chief. I’m sure they had leftovers a lot from the Inns.
Sookie always gave them a lot of leftovers and sometimes cooked for them, so although take out was their primary source of food, it wasn't the only one.
Fun fact, Rory’s actress hated coffee so she’d be drinking coke if shown drinking “coffee”
Yes we all know people (young people) who eat a lot and stay skinny but did they need to glorify it so much?
There's an awful British show called Supersize v. Superskinny, where morbidly obese and extremely underweight people swap diets for a bit. Anyway, some of the superskinny people actually eat nothing but candy and soda or coffee. It's kind of bizarre, but the way the Gilmore Girls guzzle coffee, take a few bites of junk, then run off, makes me think it's at least possible they're so thin 😆 Lauren Graham's great muscle tone wouldn't be likely, though. And I can't imagine Rory excelling at school without decent fuel.
Not impossible but shows portray this often and it's rarely accurate, like with Laurens strict diet. Realistic representation is better for young girls
I loved seeing somebody else be able to talk about gilmore girls for over an hour and say the things I've been thinking for months now! i am just now rewatching the show for the first time and am noticing these things much more this time around. I wish the rest of the seasons were like the first 3 but I will always love this show!
God I SO agree about many things that you have said!
The cinematography is 100% what I was thinking. when I'm reminiscing about the show, it's always about the "feel good" nostalgia of the first seasons. Even now, watching it on a high-quality screen, I miss the old, warm feeling and colors of the first seasons.
I also never understood the massive appeal of Lor and Luke. I think that character-wise, Chris was a better match. His arc aside, they had great chemistry, they knew each other so well, and they had similar tastes, and humor, and he's one of the only people besides Rory in my opinion that actually understood her pop culture references lol.
I think that first season Dean was pretty good. He liked Rory, he was protective and intelligent. I HATED the way they flipped his character.
I do like Logan very much. Yes he was spoiled (Rory was too), and yes he could be a jerk sometimes, but I think that eventually, he is the only bf that treated her respectfully and equally. He knew that telling her to go back to school won't help (if Lor can't, no one can) and he let her be, and eventually (with the help of Jess) she went back because she wanted to!
I have so many thoughts but I won't bore you with all of them, but I loved this video!
Just came here to say that I come back around here once a year since you posted it because it's my favorite analysis of the show. Keep up the good work!!
I'm at wave 2. And I agree with almost 100% The time I stopped liking Rory was the scene where she returns to Yale for Sophomore year and the moving guys HOLDING A COUCH and she tells them to open the door. I thought that was literally disgusting behavior
Yes, that was such a weird thing for her. She was so rude and unapologetic
@Heather Fisher I don't remember that but it kind of sounds like her. I believe it!
I remember her saying I the door is open cause she thought Paris was their already. How the was Rory rufe to them. I think if you think that watch again and really pay attention to what Rory is saying. Quit twisting things around. See I pay attention to her.
@@lauriecarson6483 she does BUT THEYRE HOLDING A COUCH. She says oh that's so weird Paris isn't here yet...
If someone is holding two cups of coffee. And your holding nothing. wouldn't you open the door for them?
I dont have it twisted. I have it as straight as Rory and Paris' spring break kiss HA
Emily’s growth was one of the only good parts of the revival. It made her seem a lot more human to me.
I think Logan is my favorite of Ror's boyfriends and the one who is the best fit for her. He respected her, he treated her well. He calls her out on her lack of self-awareness. I don't think he treats anyone of lower social class any worse than any of the other privileged characters on the show. Rory learned from her grandparents that doors could be opened for her simply because of her family name, not Logan. It was Rory, not Logan who had the idea to steal the yacht. And while Logan does respect Rory's decision to take time off from Yale, he makes it clear in his own way that he doesn't agree with her that leaving school is a good idea. I thought his family was so rude to her at that dinner, but I loved seeing a group of people not fawn over her.
And Mitchum was spot on. She didn't have what it takes to be a journalist. She would have been better as an editor or in academia.
I don't ship Lorelai with Luke. He makes a better big brother figure than a romantic partner for her. I think Jason/Digger was the best match for her.
I do like Jess as a character but I think Logan and Rory were a better fit. He did treat her very well. And I don't consider him a cheater. While Rory did look at her phone and said she was going to wait to talk to him, she still froze him out. And the argument had sounded pretty final so it makes sense someone might consider it a breakup. I mean, he was just 21 and he hadn't been in a real relationship like that. Rory knew that. So I didn't really get why she was that angry.
He even said he hated when his father cheated on his mother so to me, it was a very clear point about his character. He wouldn't intentionally cheat on someone. I liked that about him.
...and the revival undid it.
I thought Logan & Rory would have been a good romance but then move on and have other relationships. In the revival they should have just had Logan in the middle of a divorce when he & Rory run into each other again. I also hated how they copped out and made Logan work for his father. Doing the opposite of what his path was in the series finale.
I felt like he was the only one of her boyfriends that could actually match her wit and banter. He also understood her on a level the others didn't. I still think she should have said yes to his proposal. He literally offered to get her a job as a journalist once they moved and got married. Her grandparents loved him and only Lorelai didn't really like him that much, but she still would have supported Rory's decision. She literally had her happy ending given to her and she decided to run away from it.
@@candyc3314 yeah, everytime i watch her turn down logan i wish for a magical retro causilty rewrite to the scene lol
I know like lorelai ending up with luke always felt off to me, they always came of as friends but I guess early 2000s didn’t really believe in straight guy and straight girl only being friends
You had me until Digger haha
To be completely honest I never really started “hating” Rory. I’m not saying I was a big fan of her either, but I found her arc of growing up and showing more and more of her flaws to be quite refreshing(?) in a way. I just didn’t like her ‘perfect girl’ image and seeing it be broken down was rather interesting. It’s undeniable she was an asshole during her Yale years - her privilege and sense entitlement caught up to her and she was a trainwreck for the better part of the later seasons but my god was it entertaining to watch.
Speaking of later seasons, I can also understand why she quit Yale, whilst I don’t necessarily agree with her decision to; everything she believed she was working towards was taken away, because as much as she didn’t like Mitchum, he was a very powerful and inspiring person in her eyes; one that knew the journalism scene more than she could imagine by that point. Even during her research about him she was fascinated about finding the littlest facts. He was a hero to her, in a way. Hearing she’s never gonna make it completely shattered her perception of herself and her life, especially when you consider the fact she was pretty much cradled and getting high praises handed to her without even trying because of the town and her own family that always put her on the pedestal. Plus iirc she was getting seriously overwhelmed with not meeting the standards she tried to keep herself up to in classes at the same time. I think if she stayed in Yale by that point, she would’ve gotten completely overwhelmed and burned out fully, though I do think her break should’ve lasted way shorter than it did. Obviously there are other ways things could’ve gone; she could’ve stayed at Yale and with adequate help (eg. the psychologist she met with after coming back to school) she could’ve managed to pull through, plus I think Lorelai would’ve doubled (or tripled or quadrupled or whatever extra -pled she can come up with next) her support for Rory if she decided to stay at Yale, but oh well. It was a beautiful dumpster fire to watch and it was and important chapter in her life that I think was almost unavoidable in one way or other.
Oh and to add: I do think that Mitchum was right, by the way. Rory wouldn’t have made it. She was way to withdrawn to be a journalist and, as many other people in the comments suggested, would be better fit for academia. Her dreams of being a foreign correspondent were at the very best just dreams - like, seriously, even Jess questioned her choices waaaaayy back lol.
There are episodes where Lorelei and Rory will have a conversation while cleaning out the fridge, smelling containers of food and asking for opinions during the conversation so that’s another attention to detail within the lifestyle. It is noticeable that when Rory comes visiting from college and sees actual, proper food in the fridge, along with other clues (typical belt tightening measures like cutting down on magazine subscriptions and movie channels, trimming the fat basically) picks up that her mother is going through some financial issues.
Lorelei’s job is fairly active as well, she’s on her feet a lot behind the front desk or following up on a guest issue or in business, and Sookie isn’t averse to sharing some food for free so that helps the budget.
Pretty good analysis for all the characters. One of the most annoying one I never liked was TJ. Luke's sister bothered me because she was a dysfunctional Mother to Jess. But then he wouldn't be a troubled kid causing the town to dislike him. TJ (Gary) was supposed to be funny, I think, but looked stupid most of the time. Stupid isn't really funny. The best seasons for me were the first three. Didn't like Logan. Didn't like April or her Mom Anna. Definitely didn't care for Jess' real Dad or Sasha. Loved Finn and Collin. The locals were fine. I confess I have lost count on how many times I have watched the entire series , including the revival ( which was awful). Thanks for the review.
Yeah I didn't like jess bio dad either
Loved the video, agree with most of it but after the revival, I'll always agree with Paris' take on Logan: A waste of a trust fund who offers nothing to women or the world in general. Jess had grown up by freaking season 6, while Logan never did. The latter can stay with Rory for all I care, Jess deserves better than her.
gilmore girls stays one of the best shows (in my opinion) because of how comforting it is. i feel like gilmore girls did such a good job with generational trauma while also still being upbeat. i think they did this best in season 1-3 where the show is still “innocent” and warm. i think the reason those seasons are so comforting is simply because it was almost the same thing over and over but completely different too. you said it so well how the first few season you watch everybody reaching their dreams which any other show for me couldn’t imitate
I never watched Gilmore Girls, but your analysis was so engaging and entertaining, that I made it to the end, and I am considering watching it. Great analysis like always!
Coming back to finish this video, and I didn’t realize how fast the first hour and twenty minutes went! Very entertaining and engaging!
Gil was one of my favorite minor characters. Mostly because sebastian Bach. If you dont know the band skid row, check them out. He was also a major hottie back in the day, in my opinion.
No he was a beautiful man (still is lol ☺️)
If I remember correctly (it was in an interview I watched a long long time ago) the show runners hated how Lane's character turned out, they wanted her to pursue music or become something more, but since they left for the last season they couldn't do anything about it.
you have no ideia how much i wanted someone to do a video like this....this is my favorite show, thank you so much
I love someone not gunning for Gilmore Girls on this website for once. This show was part of my adolescence and bonding time with my best friend and I think most of your criticisms and takes are extremely fair.
Loved this video and the algorithm for bringing it to my attention!
One thing I want to say, is that Lauren Graham was absolutely perfect casting. She had great chemistry with every single romantic interest - in my opinion - including Luke. And just the casting in general (for the most part), Lauren also had great chemistry with her parents and it always totally felt like Richard and Emily had been together for a long time.
I so agree with your entire take on Lane. She was such a multifaceted character with many gifts. It made me mad what the writers did with her arc in later seasons.
You did make me feel better about it with the simple sentence, 'She seems happy.'
This video is seriously on point and incredible. I agree with every single opinion and I think you brought up every aspect of every character.
Thannkkk youuuu!! I appreciate it 🥰
1:19:45 didn't Rory propose the idea of getting the boat and Logan hesitated to go along with the plan?
Yes
I don’t think the narrator likes Logan haha
Wow, that was an awesome watch.
I watched the first four seasons with my single mum who had me as a teenager. No rich family unfortunately and I moved out while season 5 was airing and didn't finish the show until the revival. it made the revival make sense to me I guess. lots of people made a big deal of how smart and wonderful I was and it fucked me up. I thought i was perfect and everything would just happen to me. my Jess wasn't someone I dated, he was an older family friend who would always cut me down to size in a calm friendly way and I'm so grateful.
I get how Rory ended up where she did. when there's no push back, you get lazy and sloppy and suddenly you aren't where you know you could be.
that said, the revival sucked. they handled everything in such a heavy handed rushed way.
for me, Gilmore Girls ended with Season 4 and Jess was the best of a bad bunch. Hopefully Rory goes it alone and jeeps him as a friend.
Lane was robbed and Kirk needs to be in background of more shows.
As for the food, I feel like it's not just a bad habit passed to Rory. To me it's actually one of many mechanisms that Lore created in her home to take her household as far from Emily's as she could. Passing the coffee, junk food and sweets addiction to Rory seems to me as an attempt to make Rory like things that her grandparents would never offer her. It's not just that - the music taste, the travel style (backpacking), the way they dress, all things that Emily would never accept in her house. Rory has to change herself to be accepted by her parents, and that's something that Lore finds unbearable, but Rory does it with no problem (witch cause alot of discussions, as Lore expected her to be as bothered by it as Lore). Lore teaches Rory to love things that the high class would always frown upon, it's a way to keep Rory close to her. That's why in the couple of occasions when Emily would offer something in dinner that they like and not just made an effort to eat come as such a shock. And that's not a criticism, I actually feel like Lore's way to show her love was to give Rory the opportunity to love all the things that she couldn't have. Food specifically seems like a sore point for Lore, as she had to hide her sweets in her clothes drawer so Emily wouldn't find it's, to me, a little bit of a trauma for her, so she overcompensates. But yeah, they have pretty bad habits as to food and exercise!
Richard is such a great character. He does some bad stuff but you can see when he is with Rory and Lorelei alone he loves them and doesn’t care what they chose as long as they truly deep down want it. He seems to get upset with the girls when they do things for other that they wouldn’t do if that specific person wasn’t there, in other words go against their morals. He seems to keep people in check with their true selves. Just me??
I think Richard is a brilliant character. He’s a reflection of the old stuffy traditional ways, in that he can be very rigid, stubborn and set in his ways. He can be rather classist, but in fairness that’s also just his upbringing. But deep down he is a loving person and just wants what’s best for his family. It’s just that that can conflict with his love of status, that in his world means a lot.
Lorelei is very much like her both of her parents, you can see it in their intimate interactions. She shares a similar sense of humour to both parents, it’s just that Lorelei is more open so you see her snappy wittiness more often.
It’s also why she clashes with them so often. She takes after both parents in that she is extremely stubborn and headstrong and will do things her own way. And she makes mistakes, which will upset her parents the same way any parent will worry about their children’s life choices. Her parents just tend to be rather controlling (likely to add drama to the show.)
Rory is very much removed from such drama until she actually lives with them after she drops out of Yale. So she didn’t fully understand their conflict until she lived in their house.
But when push comes to shove they do care about one and other. Richard seems to want his daughter and granddaughter to be happy. And I think Lorelei even breaks up with a guy when he goes against her father, showing that deep down she is loyal to her family, regardless of circumstances.
Richard’s negative attributes are arguably at least a bit hyperbolic, in that it’s a tv show first and foremost. But eh, I think Richard is a good person deep down. He just has some cutthroat and devious qualities as well.
Now whether or not that makes him a genuinely good person to hang out with in real life, well that will depend on your mileage I guess lol
I don't know, there were certain controlling behaviors I didn't like and some major privileged opinions he held. I didn't like how when Lorelai thanked him for defending her against Strobe, he was like "I didn't do it for you, I was protecting this family." It was one of the first glimpses to his rude behavior. He couldn't just say, "you're welcome. I love you?" Is that so hard? I get that he's mad that Lorelai never married, but he held onto this resentment against her and attacked her with it whenever she did something he didn't approve of. At one point I was like move on, she's not getting married, it's been fifteen years, jeez! Then he was really entitled at times. He snapped at Lorelai saying he had connections to get Rory into Yale, which is the epitome of privilege. She's already a legacy, you're going to buy the spot for her too. And then there was this awful moment where he recalled physically assaulting (throwing a guy out a window with his friends for like a month straight at Yale) and we were supposed to think it was this cute, misguided thing he did when he was young. And let's not forget what he did to Dean and the fact he didn't want to apologize, Emily had to push him. Or how he treated Emily like a crazed woman for being mad he met with his ex for thirty plus years. The video is right, Richard is not bad, but he's not good either. He's kind to his family, but if other people get trampled along the way, so be it. Funnily enough, he's just like Mitchum. He treated the ballerina, Dean, and Digger worse than Mitchum did.
I love Gilmore Girls... I never had a comfort show before so discovering Gilmore Girls in 2022 really was the best thing that probably happened to me this whole year... everyone needs something to come back to, something to guve them hope if their real life isn't the way they had planned. I will forever love Gilmore Girls, it's iconic no matter how sad the end game was ❤
Lorelai is my favorite character by far. I loved Rory in season one; the second she forgot about Dean for Jess, I no longer liked her. The woman who plays Emily Gilmore is an excellent actress and I loved the character as a character but I think Emily is a terrible human being (until the revival). I have a soft spot for Richard because he reminds me so much of my own father, but I can acknowledge that he has his own issues. Lane deserved the entire world. Fuck Paris. Loved Kirk with my whole heart.
In terms of Lorelai's love interests, I liked Max but didn't think he and Lorelai were a good match because I think he was in way over his head. I was actually sad when Lorelai and Jason broke up. I really liked Jason. I think Christopher was an immature douchebag. I love Luke. I LOVE Luke. But I think Luke was too good for Lorelai, who took advantage of his kindness a lot. I mean, I still wanted him and Lorelai together, but... Luke was too good for this world, okay.
Rory's love interests: Dean was a great first boyfriend, until he built Rory the car and suddenly his entire character flipped on its head. That was a case of bad writing, I think. I hate Jess entirely and wish he didn't exist; except for when he comes back way later and actually grew up. My favorite love interest by far was Logan and I can't even tell you why. I mean, Logan has problems, too (everyone on this show is problematic lol). I just love him the most out of the three. He makes me smile the most.
Seasons one through three are my favorite, four and five are pretty good. Season 6 is where I start to lose interest, and 7 sucks. The revival doesn't even feel like it's the same show at all so I don't even know how to rate it. It's like comparing apples and oranges. I really like the musical scene between Rory and Logan's group of friends though lmao.
Season 7 is terrible kelly bishop is brilliant in the role of Emily Gilmore I hated her until the revival she was the only person that I enjoyed in that I really liked her character arc
The reason Rory acted out for me was because she most likely made to be the parent in that mother daughter/bestfriend dynamic. I know friends whose mom's did that and as a result, they were adultified at age 9. Then when they got older, they acted out as if they were still teens and Rory reminded me of that. Add to the fact that she was always called perfect and she had expectations that her mom, grandparents and the entire town put on her.
Yea thats probably part of it. Still sucks when someone acts like a horrible person though.
Can we just all take a hot second to appreciate that when the narrator says, "[Lorelai] sort of ends up folding," Lorelai is walking in with an arm full of laundry? lmao. Great editing.
not being a native speaker, that confused me a bit at first xD
I laughed about this too!
Just say you appreciate something without demanding everyone appreciate it right now and assuming noone was already appreciating it
I love the analyses in the chat!!! I’ve waited all my life to read gilmore girls discourse truth be told
Great video! I loved this show and despite some jokes not aging well it's still a comfort show for me. I think I'm in the minority as I like Rory's character because it's realistic in a way and unfortunately I related to being lost as a uni student and floundering at that time. Wish she would've have had more growth at the end however and especially in the revival.
I agree. I never seen so many judgmental people and mean spirited people on her e thinking they know all about GG when they don't.
Nice overview of the show! Did want to offer a small correction:
Logan did succeed in starting up his own venture in the later seasons, and for a time, he had a team he was working with (including a “hot sales girl” who could “hang with the guys” in that annoying early ‘00s corporate America way). But as we saw, they were about to invest in a startup and at the last minute, something went wrong, so the investment fell through.
So I would say, in fact, Logan’s effort to venture off on his own did not work out. And if he was a person who wanted to create something of his own & not be tied down by his dad, it was gonna be tough. I think he was too comfortable with the lifestyle, and wasn’t ready to give that up just to be on his own & risk a venture that would likely fail in the first year. It’s a choice. I’d say people with money have their own issues, money rarely solves the real problem within, or the constricting (edited for grammar) structure that holds up the legacy.
Almost positive Logan was working for his dad’s company in the revival, but let me know if I’m off on that!
i think logan and rory shouldve ended up together. rory definitely got very involved in the gilmore life and she enjoyed it. her and logan understood eachother. i agree with what you said about rory already cracking, i definitely saw that. if it wasn’t logan it would be someone else. she helped logan and eventually he helped her. he found direction and supported her, allowed her to grow up, like truly grow up, he called her out but helped her move on from it. also, he the one she looked happiest with! dean was explosive, jess unreliable, but logan was stable. ayitl was so dissapointing because all the growth in season seven was clearly disregarded. we know amy sherry paladino (might have spelled it wrong) wanted to make lorelai and rory’s lives mirror but it just didn’t work in ayitl and after season six it shouldn’t have been the ending for the og show or ayitl.
Yea but then they would have had to rewrite her character to be better because by the end of things she turned out to be a really shitty person
I loved Richard’s relationship with Rory it was actually my favorite dynamic within the family. He absolutely adored that girl. But maybe it’s my love for Ed Hermann that makes me think that lol
| love Gilmore girls. | think the revival Kind of screwed it up for me. Thanks for the video, it's nice to hear and discuss it.
Yes, the revival wasn't good. Amy should have picked up where Season 7 left off ,could have done a 2 hour movie. You had Luke and Lorelia kissing, Rory's going away party. Could have let Luke and Lorelia had the wedding the fans wanted them to have. Rory could have told her mom she thought she might be pregnant, Lorelia asks is it Logan's, Rory says she not sure, could have ended with fans not knowing if she was pregnant or not instead of the 4 last words in the revival. Don't know if Amy can come back from the revival, it was bad.
im so glad u talked abt the time acknowledgement its genuinely so satisfying and enjoyable haha. My favourite is when they meet the love interests many many episodes before smth actually happens with them, like when rory meets dean on one of her last days of school and then doesnt see him for a long while. The pacing actually makes u a lot more into the show and it feels so much more realistic.
I love this deep dive so much! Gilmore Girls is my favourite TV show ever. I completely resonated with a lot of what you mentioned. To answer your question: I stopped liking Rory when she started Yale. I used to really admire Rory and I always wanted to be like season 1 Rory (sometimes I still feel like that when it comes to University work...haha) but I really started to dislike her by season 4. The "Rory leaving Yale" storyline was my least favourite part of the whole show. I wished it never happened.
I'm probably going to be very unpopular after this statement but I actually found Kirk really annoying. Yes, sometimes he was funny but I just found him irritating. Finally, I actually really love Emily Gilmore. There were things she definitely did wrong and there were so many times when I wanted to scream at the TV but I also really felt sorry for Emily. To me, you can see how much Emily loves Loralei and how much she wants to have the same relationship with Loralei as Loralei and Rory do, but I totally agree that Emily was controlling and rude, at times, and she could have done things differently.
My last point is on Paris Geller. I totally agree with you when you say that you feel Rory and Paris' relationship meant more to Paris than it did to Rory. I always got the impression that Paris cared for Rory WAY more than Rory did for Paris and that Rory befriending Paris was just the "easier option" than having Paris as an enemy. It was so interesting hearing your opinions!
100% agree with you, Kirk was more annoying than comedic. he could’ve been replaced with a much better townie with better lines and a better character arc. :
Can’t stand Kirk. Always fast forward it’s too cringe, and unfunny.