He wanted to call it the 45-degree-revolver-and-then-revolve-backer but that name was already trademarked by a New Orleans brothel, and he didn't want to start yet another lawsuit.
Wow, that's an unimaginably stylish looking handgun. I feel like I need to change into a suit just to look at it. "More than one bullet? I shall require but a single shot to achieve my gentlemanly ends -- I never miss that for which I aim! En garde!"
Even if you have to manually rotate it but if that's true usually can magazine and don't have any pivot so you put it in shoot take it out flip it around shoot again and then carry a second in your pocket
Strum and Ruger & Co. would revisit this design in 1963 as the Ruger Hawkeye. A single-shot pistol chambered for the .256 Winchester Magnum cartridge, It was built on the same frame as the Ruger Blackhawk, but rather than having a rotating cylinder like a standard revolver, it featured a swiveling breechblock which allowed an individual round to be loaded and sealed into the frame. The Hawkeye was not a commercial success, and was discontinued in 1964 after only 3,075 examples were produced, making them a very collectable firearm.
@ but it’s understandable you’d have to be about as smart as a squirrel to get it. “No body needs and assault rifle.” “No on needs a gun that holds that many bullets” you probably agree with that huh? lol it’s so funny when people think your talking about a whole group of people just cause you use a slightly specific word. I always forget how much the far left has done to preserve firearms rights in our country. Oh dang you probably won’t get that one either. You probably love your break action ar with ten round mags huh? Or would shooting a scary black rifle “give you ptsd”. I keep forgetting to not use colloquialisms that are probably going over your head.
@ like I said earlier I think you completely missed the joke. I never said anything about anyone taking firearms away from people. You may have misinterpreted what I meant. Oh and the Brady bill is completely irrelevant to the conversation. And if you were a real gun guy you’d know it made very little difference anyway. The biggest difference was it calmed down some of the scared people.
I can envision a scenario where you're compelled to reload an emptied percussion revolver on the fly and so you opt to reload a single shot. Without the threat of a chain-fire you can throw powder and ball in without fussing over grease to seal the chamber. Might even do something dangerous like setting the cap before loading the shot, so you can bring that chamber to battery after ramming the projectile home.
I feel the "rear sight" works more like a tick mark. The aiming would be more like using a bead sight, with the mark helping you align the center of the frame :)
I have a revolver that looks quite similar to that. My wife’s great grandfather was in the Civil War. We have have his discharge papers, a ring engraved with his name and regiment on it .
It is amazing that the pivoting breechblock is almost identical to modern swing out cylinders in function, yet those didn't come along for many more decades. How did Smith and Wesson or others miss that? All they had to do was use that for a cylinder and you have a modern revolver...
I recently saw a picture of a 1960-70s something target pistol that was much like this, but the whole barrel assembly swung out. I doubt anything newer than that has been made.
The comment about patents are interesting. First, that there was a patent already in Europe predating it for a year. Second, that a patent was issued and thus valid. Neither of these statements by Ian are directly true. 1 - The patent systems in the US and the bulk of the rest of the world are different in several ways. In some places, a "First to Invent" system are what is used. In particular, the US up until 2011 was a First to Invent patent system. The rest of the world uses a "First to File" system. In a First to Invent system, notebooks and other records could be used to show that an invention was being worked on by a given date. As long as that invention was pursued, the first date of invention was the controlling element. In a First to File system, the controlling element is the date that the patent was filed. This means that a US Patent AND a French Patent (for example) could both be valid at the same time under the different systems. 2 - This leads to a second thing of note. With the exception of an EU-wide patent, patents are valid only in the country that they are filed in. So let's say I have a US patent on a widget. If a company in the UK violates the patent BUT does not sell the widget in the US (or in some cases make the widget in the US), there is no legal remedy. All you can do is stop the sale of the widget in countries that you hold the patent in. For important patents, they are filed in multiple jurisdictions (where they are most likely to have value). 3 - Patent validity is an interesting subject. Just because a patent is issued does NOT make it valid. It makes it more valid than not having it. However, the determining factor is determined by judges and juries. A patent can be invalidated in a couple of ways, but one of the most common is to show that "Prior Art" exists. This means that if anyone used or announced the technology underlying a patent BEFORE the patent was filed (in today's terms - was a little different in the First to Invent days), then the patent is no longer valid. There are lots of nuances with patents. For example, the US used to use a 17 years from award patent length. One employer that I had was fighting a case for 20 years before the USPTO awarded the patent. This was a very fundamental patent and included in all kinds of uses in data communications. This patent alone allowed that employer to put a lot of weight behind its claims to lower the costs of cross licensing of patents. Sorry this was so long.
Is it correct to say that if Rollin's bill went through, it would have also set the ridiculous precedent that patent owners could have their patents extended by whining about not having made enough money off of it? Surely that would mean you could just sleep on a patent indefinitely until you found a profitable way to use it.
@@Leander_ Yes, the entire point of having a patent system is to allow others to benefit from the patent after a period of exclusivity. However, one can (under the proper circumstances) have Trade Secret protection which allows you to maintain profitability essentially forever. The formula for Coke is a classic example of this and only New Coke could spoil that. Also, it costs money to maintain a patent once it is approved. Right now, I think that is about $5,000 a year.
I’m wondering if that was the first use of a swing out cylinder with a push rod extractor? If it is that is sign of things to come, especially by Smith and Wesson, once again.
It's embarrassing that Rollin's patent extension got passed by Congress. I mean, his entire was case "boohoo, poor me, I didn't make as much money as I would've liked". Christ's sake, a patent is a government-enforced monopoly on _producing_ something, it is *not* a government-enforced guarantee to make all the money of your dreams. That's on you! _You_ have to be your own businessman! If _you_ make a bad deal with a bigger business, then regret it... you only have yourself to blame.
Hello Ian, Love watching your vids, as I've shot a few rounds in my time. Have you ever thought of doing one on the H&K P7 M9/13? I had and used the M13 for several years and LOVED IT! Only thing that sold more when I had to let her go than when I got her...🤗🤔😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 The "polyogonal rifling and barrel fixed to the lower receiver" had better accuracy than a wobbeling barrel pistol IMHO!!!🤔🧐 Naturally, I now wish that I still had her. Oh well, I did what I had to do at the time! DAGNABIT!!! Have fun and be safe, keep up the good work and keep these vids coming! Take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 👍👍🙏🏻😇👊
I believe I recall from C&Rsenal, a condition for S&W purchasing White’s patent was that he be solely responsible for policing it. So he spent all his time and money on the patent while not even being a paid employee of S&W. Ouch.
The only way I would buy a single shot pistol when multi shot ones are readily available is like a small derringer, or its chambered in an absolute unit of a round, like a literal hand cannon.
Fascinating!!! I had no idea single-shots continued in full size after revolvers came on the scene. I'd like to make some of those. Options are good. Thanks, Ian!
@@lairdcummings9092 IDK, I've been looking for 32 rimfire for an old single shot Stevens rifle for years. It was last mfg in 1990's in Brazil IIRC. Oldest West Scrounger had it for a while a few years ago...but it's unobtanium now. I bought 2 rounds at a gun show last year from a cartridge collector. But I haven't shot them yet, probably never will. I guess I'm CA, NY, MA, and NJ legal for the time being....well maybe not NJ legal.... it's probably classified as 'high capacity' in NJ...on the theory that since it only holds 1 round, it's at FULL capacity at 1 round...that second round I own would also probably be considered a stockpile for a single shot rifle.
@@lightweight1974 heh. Cynical, but not wrong. Enough demand, and we could probably get someone producing it... I own several .38rf rifles, and would love to be shooting them. There are special centerfire brass cases with the primer deliberately offset to simulate rimfires, but those are somewhat unreliable and hyper dependent on correct indexing.
Seems like a well made, well put together gun. It looks nice. However, I find it weird that the breech swings open to the right side. It kind of makes it a pistol for left handed people.
Thanks for bringing Benjamin Kittredge to light, never thought someone of significance in Firearms history came out of Cincinnati, my hometown! Internet information on him seems to be quite scare, any suggestions on where to start looking into him?
I wish they would bring bact the .32 rimfire Long and extra Long. They were nice to shoot and reasonably effective for small game and stopping sudden thuggery. Noting the similarity between White's spur trigger single shot and the Colt .22 Camp Perry Pistol.
For a minute there, I thought this was something that could have a revolver cylinder added to turn it into an actual revolver. (We don't sell *revolvers*, that would be illegal. On an unrelated note, can I interest you in a single-shot pistol, and a replacement revolver cylinder?) But I don't think this is set up properly for that. Oh well.
With all due respect to the designer.... this just seems like an obnoxiously large and bulky derringer. I'm impressed they made any sales at all. Edit: At 6:12, I apologize to Ian for commenting before finishing watching the video. I'm sorry, man.
It occurs to me that this could easily be evolved into a 2-shot derringer. Instead of side-tipping, design it to rotate 90°, and bore chambers top AND bottom, and set the ejector to operate both chambers. Then all you need is an indexing firing pin.
Ian! Thank you for all you do! Stay awesome & love your content. Any interest in doing historical gloss overs to put some of your videos in context such as: this cake out which lead to this, 2 years later this was made and changed everything etc. then this this and that was the newest ‘tech’. Etc etc
Back then a patent only covered the country/empire where the patent was taken out. So you could patent something in France and someone else could patent the same thing.
I read somewhere that while S&W bought an exclusive license to Rollin White's patent the agreement obligated him to defend it on S&W's behalf. A clever (and profitable) piece of business but it seems a little underhanded to me.
Now I'm depressed. I actually invented it myself, when pondering what is minimal number of chambers in the revolver (one). Apparently I'm not going to get a patent for this. :-(
Hi, Ian. Good storytelling on this pistol. Power, Politics, and Pistols. A good title for some book somewhere. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Peace! Love! Charity!
Ah, that classic story. Guy invents a thing, makes no money from it, someone else builds a giant, massively profitable corporation off the thing the guy invented.
The thing he invented was only tangentially related to the thing that was sold, though... White's patent wasn't even for cartridges, it was just "a hole, but _this way_ "
Struggling to understand how a market would have existed for this. The build quality seems decent so the cost couldn't have been too much less than revolver.
This is not a revolver, it's just a volver
Wrong, this is not a revolver because it does not revolve. So it is just an -r.
White testifying at another lawsuit: "I never claimed it revolved THE WHOLE 360 DEGREES!"
Its a hinger.
@@realhorrorshow8547 in spanish "volver" means return, actually...
Nah man, it's just a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~
This is how revolver look when you put it in back pocket and sit down.
So NEVER put your revolver in your back pocket!
🤣🤣🤣
That was a bloody hard seat!
The iRevolver.
@Sean Wilkinson in such a case, water damage is far more common than crushing damage.
And thus Russian Roulette Night was cancelled...
A full size single shot pistol? Singleton Jakobs would be proud.
"Half the capacity of a Derringer at twice the size."
Less of a revolver now. Now, I'd say it's a Pivoter or a Tilter
Ladies and gentlemen: We have a winner! Aaaaand the price today iiiiis: The Internet!!!
He wanted to call it the 45-degree-revolver-and-then-revolve-backer but that name was already trademarked by a New Orleans brothel, and he didn't want to start yet another lawsuit.
a 'pew'
Rocker?
"Leaner"
"Today I have for you a single shot .38 pistol from the man who owned the rights to the revolver"
"they see my Rollin, they hating..." I'll show myself out
A week too slow ;) instagram.com/p/CGK3lbfDCml/
@@ForgottenWeapons lol are you both dads btw 😂
@@ForgottenWeapons Epicness is over 9000. (YES, that old one!)
@@ForgottenWeapons i'll go with the great minds think alike aproach
@@ForgottenWeapons, if there were patents involved here, you'd be Lefaucheux and Eric P. would be Rollin White...
Wow, that's an unimaginably stylish looking handgun. I feel like I need to change into a suit just to look at it. "More than one bullet? I shall require but a single shot to achieve my gentlemanly ends -- I never miss that for which I aim! En garde!"
Don't forget your walking stick and bowler or top hat as well a monacle is optional
He should have made it as a single shot but with two rounds in the cylinder and you could rotate it by hand is rotate in the middle on an access
Technically that would revolve and therefore would infringe the patent
Even if you have to manually rotate it but if that's true usually can magazine and don't have any pivot so you put it in shoot take it out flip it around shoot again and then carry a second in your pocket
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Thanks for the great work Ian. Greetings from wales
Strum and Ruger & Co. would revisit this design in 1963 as the Ruger Hawkeye. A single-shot pistol chambered for the .256 Winchester Magnum cartridge, It was built on the same frame as the Ruger Blackhawk, but rather than having a rotating cylinder like a standard revolver, it featured a swiveling breechblock which allowed an individual round to be loaded and sealed into the frame.
The Hawkeye was not a commercial success, and was discontinued in 1964 after only 3,075 examples were produced, making them a very collectable firearm.
Ah excessively built single shot pistols are my favourite pistols.
Ehh, if you only have one shot, I would have used a larger cartridge, so if you hit at least it would do a lot of damage.
...especially the rare double action single shot pistols....
Ah, the Lone Eagle and the Contender movie guns.
Not going to lie, Thompson/Center pistols are a lot of fun. Kinda high price for a single shot pistol but thereafter relatively cheap caliber changes.
@@LazyLifeIFreak you gotta remember action strength, and .38 is plenty powerful from a sealed breach.
Last time I was this early on a FW video there was intro music.
An example of when someone patent scummed so hard they actually screwed themselves
Your videos are so soothing to listen to while I work
With better sights that could have had some success as a target pistol.
In CA or NY this might of been a success as an every day concealed carry. Actually it might still be to much. 😂
@ wow you completely missed the point of the joke
@ but it’s understandable you’d have to be about as smart as a squirrel to get it. “No body needs and assault rifle.” “No on needs a gun that holds that many bullets” you probably agree with that huh? lol it’s so funny when people think your talking about a whole group of people just cause you use a slightly specific word. I always forget how much the far left has done to preserve firearms rights in our country. Oh dang you probably won’t get that one either. You probably love your break action ar with ten round mags huh? Or would shooting a scary black rifle “give you ptsd”. I keep forgetting to not use colloquialisms that are probably going over your head.
@ like I said earlier I think you completely missed the joke. I never said anything about anyone taking firearms away from people. You may have misinterpreted what I meant. Oh and the Brady bill is completely irrelevant to the conversation. And if you were a real gun guy you’d know it made very little difference anyway. The biggest difference was it calmed down some of the scared people.
Or if you make a carbine out of it
Rollin White, one of the earliest and most famous patent trolls.
This.
But he got served by his deal with S&W, so I'm kinda OK with it; dude paid dearly in time, stress, and lawyer bills for his trolling.
He was drunk in private, they threw him into public.
@@PavewayJDAM heh.
I see what you did there.
*Trollin White :P
@@kevinwestermann1001 heh.
Simplicity at it's best.
The thing's shape looks interesting not gonna lie, a one shot "revolver"
But there's nothing to revolve...
Didn't Ruger make a single-shot Blackhawk that worked similarly?
I can envision a scenario where you're compelled to reload an emptied percussion revolver on the fly and so you opt to reload a single shot. Without the threat of a chain-fire you can throw powder and ball in without fussing over grease to seal the chamber. Might even do something dangerous like setting the cap before loading the shot, so you can bring that chamber to battery after ramming the projectile home.
@@BogeyTheBear lmao
Mom: we have a revolver at home!
the revolver at home:
I feel the "rear sight" works more like a tick mark. The aiming would be more like using a bead sight, with the mark helping you align the center of the frame :)
I have a revolver that looks quite similar to that. My wife’s great grandfather was in the Civil War. We have have his discharge papers, a ring engraved with his name and regiment on it .
It is amazing that the pivoting breechblock is almost identical to modern swing out cylinders in function, yet those didn't come along for many more decades. How did Smith and Wesson or others miss that? All they had to do was use that for a cylinder and you have a modern revolver...
This thing looks awesome
A perfect duel pistol.
I would definitely like a modern recreation of this.
Yes.
I recently saw a picture of a 1960-70s something target pistol that was much like this, but the whole barrel assembly swung out. I doubt anything newer than that has been made.
@@ragingbombast That does sound interesting.
It could probably be made quite cheaply, too.
@@chubbycatfish4573 Well it likely would be a small production run, due to demand, so even if made cheaply it would still have a titanic price.
Very cool piece of firearms history! I always learn a lot from your videos! Thanks Ian!
Thank you , Ian .
The comment about patents are interesting. First, that there was a patent already in Europe predating it for a year. Second, that a patent was issued and thus valid. Neither of these statements by Ian are directly true.
1 - The patent systems in the US and the bulk of the rest of the world are different in several ways. In some places, a "First to Invent" system are what is used. In particular, the US up until 2011 was a First to Invent patent system. The rest of the world uses a "First to File" system. In a First to Invent system, notebooks and other records could be used to show that an invention was being worked on by a given date. As long as that invention was pursued, the first date of invention was the controlling element. In a First to File system, the controlling element is the date that the patent was filed. This means that a US Patent AND a French Patent (for example) could both be valid at the same time under the different systems.
2 - This leads to a second thing of note. With the exception of an EU-wide patent, patents are valid only in the country that they are filed in. So let's say I have a US patent on a widget. If a company in the UK violates the patent BUT does not sell the widget in the US (or in some cases make the widget in the US), there is no legal remedy. All you can do is stop the sale of the widget in countries that you hold the patent in. For important patents, they are filed in multiple jurisdictions (where they are most likely to have value).
3 - Patent validity is an interesting subject. Just because a patent is issued does NOT make it valid. It makes it more valid than not having it. However, the determining factor is determined by judges and juries. A patent can be invalidated in a couple of ways, but one of the most common is to show that "Prior Art" exists. This means that if anyone used or announced the technology underlying a patent BEFORE the patent was filed (in today's terms - was a little different in the First to Invent days), then the patent is no longer valid.
There are lots of nuances with patents. For example, the US used to use a 17 years from award patent length. One employer that I had was fighting a case for 20 years before the USPTO awarded the patent. This was a very fundamental patent and included in all kinds of uses in data communications. This patent alone allowed that employer to put a lot of weight behind its claims to lower the costs of cross licensing of patents.
Sorry this was so long.
Thank you. I am a tinkerer and I'm just starting to learn the nuances of patent law. That is a very concise and useful comment.
Thank you for the additional information.
Don't be sorry, that was great!
Is it correct to say that if Rollin's bill went through, it would have also set the ridiculous precedent that patent owners could have their patents extended by whining about not having made enough money off of it? Surely that would mean you could just sleep on a patent indefinitely until you found a profitable way to use it.
@@Leander_ Yes, the entire point of having a patent system is to allow others to benefit from the patent after a period of exclusivity. However, one can (under the proper circumstances) have Trade Secret protection which allows you to maintain profitability essentially forever. The formula for Coke is a classic example of this and only New Coke could spoil that. Also, it costs money to maintain a patent once it is approved. Right now, I think that is about $5,000 a year.
That looks very clean and cool.
Single action that is the ancestor of double action
On a similar note, I loved the ashot from the Metro videogame series. It's just like this, except scaled up and made for shotgun shells
I’m wondering if that was the first use of a swing out cylinder with a push rod extractor? If it is that is sign of things to come, especially by Smith and Wesson, once again.
The real life gun of "don't shoot him! You'll just make him mad!"
A milestone event where the invention is so important that no one person will be allowed to own or control it.
Interesting. As every day. Cheers Ian!
What an interesting time when a single shot cartridge pistol made enough sense that over 3000 of them sold.
It's not like single shot pistols have disappeared. Some people still like them and some are still produced.
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@@DH-xw6jp Exactly.
It's embarrassing that Rollin's patent extension got passed by Congress. I mean, his entire was case "boohoo, poor me, I didn't make as much money as I would've liked". Christ's sake, a patent is a government-enforced monopoly on _producing_ something, it is *not* a government-enforced guarantee to make all the money of your dreams. That's on you! _You_ have to be your own businessman! If _you_ make a bad deal with a bigger business, then regret it... you only have yourself to blame.
Well said
impractical as hell but a pretty sweet looking little pistol honestly
You get the most interesting designs when someone has to dance around the legalities!
This is interesting, didnt know single shot pistols got made in full revolver fashion, most ive seen are those tiny ones
It looks like someone drawing a revolver from memory in 2d
So a self advancing harmonica pistol with board through chambers would not have been a patent infringement.
I find the history behind the gun more insteresting than the gun itself.
I guess this is basically the original swing out cylinder revolver
I despise the multiple ads interrupting your video
Very Cool Single Shot revolver in 38 Rimfire !!!!!!!!!!!
That is a VERY cool pistol! Would be nice to see the trigger mechanism but I'll search for it
Wow! So this is actually a RW J-Frame!
I don’t know why but I love singleshot firearms
I'll admit, this video was appreciably more interesting than any video about a single shot pistol had any right to be.
they see me Rollin...
I do like the flatness of the gun... Good for conceal carry and smooth draw
Hello Ian, Love watching your vids, as I've shot a few rounds in my time. Have you ever thought of doing one on the H&K P7 M9/13? I had and used the M13 for several years and LOVED IT! Only thing that sold more when I had to let her go than when I got her...🤗🤔😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 The "polyogonal rifling and barrel fixed to the lower receiver" had better accuracy than a wobbeling barrel pistol IMHO!!!🤔🧐 Naturally, I now wish that I still had her. Oh well, I did what I had to do at the time! DAGNABIT!!! Have fun and be safe, keep up the good work and keep these vids coming! Take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 👍👍🙏🏻😇👊
I believe I recall from C&Rsenal, a condition for S&W purchasing White’s patent was that he be solely responsible for policing it. So he spent all his time and money on the patent while not even being a paid employee of S&W. Ouch.
One of, if not the last gun channel for learning that has been infiltrated by unskippable adverts throughout the video. Gutted.
If this thing got updated and made larger you could have a Star Wars looking blaster that fires massive rounds. I want one.
3 lots of adverts in an 8 minutes video. RUclips really knows how to piss me off.
@@bmstylee thanks will give that a go
@@stuartburton1167 Just install an ad blocker and support creators directly instead.
@@MarvinCZ I do support Ian's channel directly $3 a month. I have an ad blocker as well but RUclips seems to have stopped it working.
@@stuartburton1167 Mine wors just fine. What do you use? I use uBlock Origin.
I have a flat 4 shot revolver. No name and unknown caliber. Deutschland and Belgien patent numbers only.
The only way I would buy a single shot pistol when multi shot ones are readily available is like a small derringer, or its chambered in an absolute unit of a round, like a literal hand cannon.
That isn't a breechblock, it's a chamber.
Fascinating!!!
I had no idea single-shots continued in full size after revolvers came on the scene. I'd like to make some of those.
Options are good.
Thanks, Ian!
I drilled holes in a block of metal! "Patent approved!"
Owned a S&M .22 short revolver once. I guess it was a model 1. Except for there being no cylinder, it looks exactly the same.
I could want that in my collection...
It's basic, but practical. Free of unnecessary gimmicks, stripped down to the functional essentials.
Where will you get ammo for it, though?
@@ScottKenny1978 hey, if Ian can get .32 longue (.32 French) back into production...
@@lairdcummings9092 IDK, I've been looking for 32 rimfire for an old single shot Stevens rifle for years. It was last mfg in 1990's in Brazil IIRC. Oldest West Scrounger had it for a while a few years ago...but it's unobtanium now. I bought 2 rounds at a gun show last year from a cartridge collector. But I haven't shot them yet, probably never will. I guess I'm CA, NY, MA, and NJ legal for the time being....well maybe not NJ legal.... it's probably classified as 'high capacity' in NJ...on the theory that since it only holds 1 round, it's at FULL capacity at 1 round...that second round I own would also probably be considered a stockpile for a single shot rifle.
@@lightweight1974 heh. Cynical, but not wrong.
Enough demand, and we could probably get someone producing it... I own several .38rf rifles, and would love to be shooting them. There are special centerfire brass cases with the primer deliberately offset to simulate rimfires, but those are somewhat unreliable and hyper dependent on correct indexing.
I wonder if this was Bill Ruger's inspiration for the "Hawkeye" pistol? Another forgotten weapon for Ian to review.
Seems like a well made, well put together gun. It looks nice.
However, I find it weird that the breech swings open to the right side. It kind of makes it a pistol for left handed people.
I wonder if Ruger saw this years ago?
Thanks for bringing Benjamin Kittredge to light, never thought someone of significance in Firearms history came out of Cincinnati, my hometown! Internet information on him seems to be quite scare, any suggestions on where to start looking into him?
:Page 91, Eberhart, L.D. and Wilson, R.L., The Deringer in America, Vol. II The Cartridge Period, Lincoln, RI: Andrew Mowbray Inc., 1993
And the moral of this story is......Always go over that damn contract with a tooth comb before you sign it.
No cylinder dump on the range?...... we will survive.
I wish they would bring bact the .32 rimfire Long and extra Long. They were nice to shoot and reasonably effective for small game and stopping sudden thuggery. Noting the similarity between White's spur trigger single shot and the Colt .22 Camp Perry Pistol.
Strangely it proved not to be too popular in Russia...
With a decent set of adjustable sights, I could have all-day fun with one of those on the range.
Who the hell down votes anything Ian puts on !!!???
You know there's always a 14 year old out there that's like "Hey! That's not a Glock!"
Bots. Trolls. And other wastes of oxygen.
The devil
@@PrototypeSpaceMonkey Hey, I agree with that 14 year old!
Thumbs downs on a video like this is just a troll counter
"california compliant revolver"
For a minute there, I thought this was something that could have a revolver cylinder added to turn it into an actual revolver. (We don't sell *revolvers*, that would be illegal. On an unrelated note, can I interest you in a single-shot pistol, and a replacement revolver cylinder?) But I don't think this is set up properly for that. Oh well.
With all due respect to the designer.... this just seems like an obnoxiously large and bulky derringer. I'm impressed they made any sales at all. Edit: At 6:12, I apologize to Ian for commenting before finishing watching the video. I'm sorry, man.
That’s jazz bro I want one
Bug at 0:21?
It occurs to me that this could easily be evolved into a 2-shot derringer. Instead of side-tipping, design it to rotate 90°, and bore chambers top AND bottom, and set the ejector to operate both chambers. Then all you need is an indexing firing pin.
I wonder if anyone has tried to do a one-off build of Rollin White's revolver.
Ian! Thank you for all you do! Stay awesome & love your content. Any interest in doing historical gloss overs to put some of your videos in context such as: this cake out which lead to this, 2 years later this was made and changed everything etc. then this this and that was the newest ‘tech’. Etc etc
i want so bad to see it shooting, but i didnt find any video of that shooting.
My man Ian is getting grey hair! Nooooo your the gun god! You cannot possibly be getting old! Your such a genius! No fair
Back then a patent only covered the country/empire where the patent was taken out. So you could patent something in France and someone else could patent the same thing.
Ah, a not so fancy "cow / pig killer".
I read somewhere that while S&W bought an exclusive license to Rollin White's patent the agreement obligated him to defend it on S&W's behalf. A clever (and profitable) piece of business but it seems a little underhanded to me.
Everyone's sleeping on the fact that with an actual cylinder this would basically be a swing-out cylinder revolver...
I love smith and wesson for life.
Now I'm depressed. I actually invented it myself, when pondering what is minimal number of chambers in the revolver (one). Apparently I'm not going to get a patent for this. :-(
I didn't know Cincinnati made any firearms very interesting
Hi, Ian. Good storytelling on this pistol. Power, Politics, and Pistols. A good title for some book somewhere. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy! Peace! Love! Charity!
Hey a swing out cylinder. He should have patented that. By the by the patent office screws up and approves illegal patents all the time sadly.
Ah, that classic story. Guy invents a thing, makes no money from it, someone else builds a giant, massively profitable corporation off the thing the guy invented.
The thing he invented was only tangentially related to the thing that was sold, though... White's patent wasn't even for cartridges, it was just "a hole, but _this way_ "
Please post to another platform so I can leave this one and never come back.
totally always thought it was "Roland" White
The patent pretty much back-fired at Rollin White.
Struggling to understand how a market would have existed for this. The build quality seems decent so the cost couldn't have been too much less than revolver.
Imagine if you had 6 of those.
you should review the heizer par1