Finished Electronic Drumset VS Installing The Triggers Yourself

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  • @65Drums
    @65Drums  5 лет назад +2

    If you havnt seen this handy video about drum triggers I highly recommend it :)
    ruclips.net/video/NOvlSMj2wwA/видео.html

  • @DouglasLippi
    @DouglasLippi 5 лет назад +17

    Add to the pros list for DIY: when something breaks you're more likely to know how to fix it.

  • @joshferry3628
    @joshferry3628 5 лет назад +6

    I went total DIY. I mean Home Depot for aluminum rods. plates, ETC. I followed Roland with cones with rubber grommets. Got cones from Ebay 6 of them for 60 bucks with piezos. I got 10 piezos off amazon too just in case, never used any of them. I have about 5k worth of tools in my basement so making all this was no big deal cutting aluminum is easy. I went Drum-tec Real Feel for the heads and rack parts. The drumtec rack parts are cheap and good. 3 years later the heads and rack still look like new. The drum heads where not cheap. I got used Sonor 2007 5 piece kit at Guitar Center for 200 bucks. Not a scratch on them. I had a great time building it.
    3 years later and nothing has slipped and I only have had to tighten the heads. I run a TD-17 and a TD-9. I have ATV cymbals 18 ride, 16 crash and a 14 inch crash. 2 alesis DM 10 cymbals. Yep those cymbals that don't work for over a year. They are 4 years old work fine. I wired it all myself. I am a electronics geek too so wiring it all up was super easy. So you ask ok how much? I have no idea. LOL... I will tell ya the ATV cymbals where 1100. All I can say if you want to get into this. It costs... DIY or a $2,500 Alesis strike. This is an expensive hobby. What the hell we on'y live once right? I actually have all the components to make R-Drum like triggers. That is my next thing to see if I can make it even better. But what R-Drums charges I can make for 1/4 of the price. Just do it... A lot of drop in triggers that are awesome. This is fun stuff no matter how you do it.

    • @joshferry3628
      @joshferry3628 5 лет назад +1

      Oh BTW I am actually guitarist. Been playing since 1987. Entry level I can hook you up for 300 bucks for a guitar and amp. :) E-Drums are like tattoo's, motorcycles, audio equipment, boats or sports cars. You're never gonna be happy you want more and more and more!

    • @gopolarisstudio
      @gopolarisstudio 4 года назад

      Dude that is utterly amazing. Would you consider making 1 for others? Obviously pay would be for your time.

    • @joshferry3628
      @joshferry3628 4 года назад

      @Ed Because I made my own I have to make a video for some reason? That makes sense. No thanks... Have a nice day.

  • @Rhythmic1
    @Rhythmic1 5 лет назад +3

    As usual another informative video. I couldn't agree with you more. It really comes down to your own personal tastes, what you can afford, and your knowledge and overall experience with e-drums. I tried DIY'ng it when I first jumped into e-drums but at that time I kept running into problems way out of my depth. DIY'ng an e-kit is not in any way as easy as putting together IKEA furniture. I wouldn't recommend it for a novice but if you know what you're doing I've seen some amazing results. I have a lot of awesome a-kits so I like having something that stands out and lets people know they are going to hear something different. I really like the way my TD-50KVX looks. To me it looks modern and cutting edge. But that's the beauty of this community. Everyone brings their own aesthetics and preferences. It's all good. I think e-drummers stand out amongst other musicians. There's a lot of creativity and ingenuity. Everyone has an opinion, everyone is learning, everyone is really helpful if another drummer is trying to figure something out, and most importantly everyone's happy for people when they finally put it all together, whether modest or over the top cool.

  • @Boats4rent
    @Boats4rent 5 лет назад

    I toyed with this idea about 10 years ago. Ended up buying a Hart dynamics 6.4 kit and bought a used TD8. What a journey. Since then I've sold the included Ecymbals and replaced with Rolands all around, updated the Module to a TD12, upgraded the Bass drum to a 18" Drumtec Diablo and have a whole library of Superior drummer 3. I not sure what this all means to anyone but its taken me awhile to get what I feel is perfect for me. Even if I had time and ability, just the amount of time I've spent tinkering with settings is enough to avoid the headaches associated with DIY. Take your time and be open minded to mix and match with pro made gear IMO. Good Vid!

  • @rhythmantic
    @rhythmantic 5 лет назад

    I converted a 4 piece Gretsch Catalina Elite jazz size kit outfitting it with Remo Silentstroke heads using a V-Drum TD-12 module with Roland triggers for snare and kick and ddrum Redshot triggers for the toms. Put Pintech rubber sleeves on the snare and tom rims. For cymbals I purchased a Magnatrack Cymbolic pretriggered low-volume crash and ride cymbals and used a TD-11 hi hat I had. Very inexpensive and it works well triggering SD3, AD2, SSD5 or straight out of the Vdrum module.

  • @FD-jr2xp
    @FD-jr2xp 5 лет назад

    important thing is the passion&money🤑 to build your own diy Edrums...i started with TD11K and now i have a half dyi monster simple kit ♥️..most of the brands have small pads what i especially dont like...keep up, i am waiting for next episode from Edrum guru :)

  • @EricFDrums
    @EricFDrums 5 лет назад

    Really good topic. I also feel like some people are more DIY guys (Which i am not). I opted to buy a kit as i liked the idea that some skilled worker made it versus me. Also you nailed it when you said they test etc before you get it. I recall getting videos from my manufacturer (Muzzio) showing the shells in production, finishing, getting tested, and even going thru what they felt were the trigger settings to use when i got the kit so i could set up my Mimic quickly.
    I would see however when DIY, your selection is virtually limitless as to what shells/design you want.....the key is do you have what it takes to actually complete the build, have patience and not lose your sanity...lol

  • @OthonasDrums
    @OthonasDrums 5 лет назад

    You hit every point Justin,as someone who made his own conversion for a large 8 piece (so far) set,I can tell you it would have cost me a fortune to get from Drumtec.
    There are a couple basic rules that if followed they will make the conversion(and your life) much easier
    1.not all shells are fit for conversion. Find proper shells that you can screw on internal triggers
    2.for better triggering results you need to have in mind that the meshheads need to be kept from bouncing
    3.Dont cheap out on your snare trigger and meshhead.Every other part you can get away with but not the snare

    • @matenorth
      @matenorth 3 года назад

      This. Also, along with the snare, the ride (bell triggering accuracy) and HH controller are the most important parts for a solid kit.

  • @robertzollars1966
    @robertzollars1966 2 года назад

    I ordered Jobeky 2 ply heads and five triggers on November 1. They arrived from England today FedEx, November 12th. That's pretty incredible! I will be converting an older Gretsch Catalina from my TD 17KVX. Nice set but I missed real drum dimensions and looks. Looks pretty straight ahead.

  • @objoyful989
    @objoyful989 5 лет назад

    Two other big pros for diy:
    -the knowledge you get
    -from trying out different ideas many new kinds of products have been evolved. A great idea can potentially set the path for a new successful company or just set a new standard piece for electronic drums. If everyone just buys stuff, then less improvements are made overall.

  • @AtTheSourceStudios
    @AtTheSourceStudios 5 лет назад +5

    Also adjusting trigger settings inside of the drum module goes with pre built OR DIY.
    Facts:
    If you want to get the best results from e drums regardless expensive/affordable, pre-built/diy - learn how to dial in trigger settings inside a drum module. No way around that learning curve.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад

      I completely agree, the crazy thing is that people go YEARS without fine tuning the trigger settings. And they wonder why the set isnt working right.

    • @joshferry3628
      @joshferry3628 5 лет назад

      Now this is true. You are doing DIY or Drumtec you need to tweak your settings so you like it. Get ready to learn that module.

    • @OthonasDrums
      @OthonasDrums 5 лет назад

      I believe if you get a Drumtec set with a module to go with it,they send it dialed in already,but yeah learning how to fine tune the settings is a must.There is also a certain period that you need to be doing minor tweaking. It takes time

  • @MikeLuke
    @MikeLuke 5 лет назад +2

    Great one, Justin. I paid around €1,700 for my whole conversion (have a video about it on my channel 😉), using just the best triggers and mesh heads, I‘d always go for DIY.
    It’s more satisfying as well, you learn a lot about triggering and the whole technology behind it. It wasn’t frustrating at all, it’s fun actually.
    Another advantage of DIY: You can always go back and use you shells acoustically, while a lot of (not all) manufacturers don’t use the best shells for their complete offerings (to obviously keep some margin) or use shells that were never supposed to be used acoustically.
    And lastly, most companies still don’t offer a 22“ Kick drum or a 16“ floor tom and most shells are rather shallow in depth. With DIY, you can have a 18x22“ kick, a 10x12“ rack tom and 16x16“ floor tom if you want.
    However, overall it’s always a rather heavy investment. Even under $2,000, you still need a module, cables, cymbals and gear. So it easily sums up to $4k or more to have it all.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад

      Good points, I'm glad you haven't had an ounce of frustration in your build :) I can't say the same unfortunately. You are right about the kick drums, many conversion drum companies only offer 18" kicks, or maybe a 22" but only if you spend $4000-6000. btw, really enjoyed your latest review of the Decades sd3 pack

    • @rhythmantic
      @rhythmantic 5 лет назад

      65 Drums
      I don’t get why anything more than an 18” kick , which I use, is necessary if triggering is employed. Just dial up a large kick from the module or VST.

  • @tobytoxd
    @tobytoxd 3 года назад

    Thanks much! You're AWESOME!

  • @Falasi4
    @Falasi4 5 лет назад

    I'm mounting my Yamaha dtx 5xx pads in acoustic shells and covering with mesh heads. Had to come up with my own adjustable mounting system.

  • @Dadedrums
    @Dadedrums 5 лет назад

    Justin, I enjoyed so much this video!! Just a pitty you could not add a Diamond kit picture (you just could take any of my pictures for this ;) ) because I think Diamond is a great company and their quality is great as well. IMO and experience.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад +1

      I've heard great things about them too, but I've never seen one in person yet :)

    • @Dadedrums
      @Dadedrums 5 лет назад

      65 Drums you will be always welcome to my channel to check them out and also if you ever visit Menorca in Spain you will be welcome at my studio to test them in person!

  • @Tom-sd2vi
    @Tom-sd2vi 5 лет назад

    I love the jobeky internal side mounted triggers, very sensitive and no hotspotting.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад

      Yes I agree, they are very good

  • @HomesteadRVCenter
    @HomesteadRVCenter 5 лет назад

    1:17 Who knew? hahaha... Great Vid Justin.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад +1

      haha! Thanks Uncle Matt :)

  • @rondeangelis7384
    @rondeangelis7384 5 лет назад

    So I've been done the DIY route, build my own triggers, using similar ddrum triggers, HART dynmics mesh heads, tried silent stroke heads (way too bouncy), using Roland TD10, along with my Gen16's. Unfortuntely the TD10 doesn't boot up anymore. i assume a 3 ply head, like DrumTec's is the best for less bounce? Would like to revisit DIY again and hopefully go with the Aquarian onhead SuperPad and kick, since I have the same pads no electronics except micing them with my L80's and Gen16's (without the pickups). Little more expensive since I need the DITI also. But I luv the feel of the superpads. Mesh to me is just to bouncy, even detuning the heads down. GREAT Video and topic!!

  • @biekanez1
    @biekanez1 5 лет назад

    Great video Justin😎👍👊

  • @Hillsidekman
    @Hillsidekman 4 года назад

    I notice you use thicker Gauge cables on your Hi-Hat inputs. Did you find that makes a difference in sound?
    Thanks for any info. I LOVE YOU PAGE!

  • @mediaguy50
    @mediaguy50 5 лет назад

    Hi Justin, I have been thinking about upgrading my Yamaha 532 system and I would like your and your tribe's opinion on the best options for me. I have been using an electronic drum set for practise for about 20 years. My first edrum set was an acoustic kit I converted using Pintech triggers and pads and a TD 8, (which I still have). Then moved to the Yamaha about 5 years ago. There is so much new stuff out there I found it hard to figure out what is best for me even though I have some experience with edrums. So I have got my short list down to - add a Mimic to the Yamaha 532 or do a conversion, Buy a TD17 or buy an Alesis Strike pro and sell the Yamaha kit
    I would like the TD 50 for the positional sensing but the PRICE is too nuts for me. I play Jazz, Jazz fusion, Blues and R&B but still like the 6 piece drum setup, to add colour to those musical situations. I would really appreciate hearing what advice you and others have for me. Thank you all for your help. Paul
    P.S. I prefer the rubber toms over the mesh heads which I find way too bouncy and unrealistic compared to playing an acoustic kit, which I switch back and forth playing.

  • @gregwilliams2764
    @gregwilliams2764 5 лет назад

    Every now and then I mention Iris triggers from Italy. You’ve never talked about them. I’m really impressed with what I see. Their metal spoke type triggers, which looks like the high end Tec triggers have a price of a low end Jobeky. I got a price in writing of $675 plus shipping for the 22, 10,12,14,16, 14 snare. They look fantastic and the price is awesome ! But there is zero buzz about them. What, if anything , do you know? I want to pull the trigger, pun intended, but is it just a hoax? I trust you

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад

      To be honest I've never even seen a photo of them, I dont know enough about them to say anything substantial :/

  • @poejr
    @poejr 5 лет назад

    can you make a vid about the life span of cheaper edrums (talk about the strike)

  • @jamiesea
    @jamiesea 5 лет назад

    Totally buying one that's already built! LOL!

  • @eltorsto8585
    @eltorsto8585 3 года назад

    what triggers and heads from the higher end do you recommend ?

  • @bikebuilder8567
    @bikebuilder8567 5 лет назад

    Dayum kid. All growed up'!!.

  • @B1Happy
    @B1Happy 5 лет назад

    What would be your favorite or best pre-built drum set? Drums and cymbals?

  • @nushee1821
    @nushee1821 4 года назад

    i will be honest where i live... its cheaper to get prebuilt drumset (maybe in pieces) but if i wanna build one i have to order from other countries and the taxes man...i would pay more whit the ship and taxes than buying something prebuilt :D

  • @jacknelson3601
    @jacknelson3601 4 года назад

    Any idea roughly how much money you save building a good quality custom ekit vs buying one?

  • @JesusLordOfLords455
    @JesusLordOfLords455 5 лет назад

    I have an atv expanded set, but im tempted to swap the 18 kick for two 22 black kicks but i need them triggered style not bothered about dynamics as i play death metal, how easy is this please with mesh heads and ddrum red triggers please guys???

  • @lancersbowchuckle960
    @lancersbowchuckle960 5 лет назад

    Ok so I can see I’m going to be the real cheapskate in this crowd. I started my DIY with a used Ludwig Accent in black, Re-wrapped in maple veneer, finished in blue/ black fade, spent a week polishing hardware. All before even beginning to select components. Added a 13x 14 rack Tom to match, shopped for a rack pieced together from used Alesis, and Roland parts, bought various cymbals used, and fabricated my trigger brackets before finally... go-edrum... I spent around $1000.00 including two Alesis DM10 modules, don’t crucify me, and triple layer mesh heads and rubber rim protectors. Took me two months. Had this huge kit in my basement studio for 18 mounts now, and have been very happy! Until my band brought in a drummer to track for us. A serious hitter! Now my kick drum misses every third strike, me snare can’t track soft ghost notes, and drops out at times, and one Tom is completely dead.🤦🏻‍♂️ new parts on order to my wife’s frustration. And I still want to build another one!🤪 Crazy me!

  • @danconley8194
    @danconley8194 5 лет назад

    Hay man thanks for sharing your knowledge.. I have a question. When I try to plug my drum module into my mixer , it makes the drums sound really bad like a bad connection. Your thoughts on how I can fix this. (I have a Alesis strike pro by the way)

    • @redstain1
      @redstain1 4 года назад

      Have you tried turning down the module volume? Check you gain on all components, module, mixer, and amp. Sometimes you'll just overload one or more with too hot of a signal. My kit's chain is module>sonic maximizer>mixer, with an FX loop to and from a Midiverb, >amps. I've done comparisons straight from the module to the amps, but my signal is really clean, and my mixer is a piece of crap. You're probably just overloading an input.

  • @clownbaby9552
    @clownbaby9552 4 года назад

    Keep mustache forever please

  • @splats6164
    @splats6164 5 лет назад

    Shave it off😉😎

  • @rondeangelis7384
    @rondeangelis7384 5 лет назад

    What mesh headsis he using on his sonor kit?

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад +1

      Drumtec Real Feel and one Jobeky Head

    • @rondeangelis7384
      @rondeangelis7384 5 лет назад

      65 Drums thankx your doing a great job informing all of us about edrums and A2e conversions. This time around, after seeing all your reviews, and alot of time me diyingof of this, ill let the pros do the R&D. Probably go with 2Box, drumtec heads, R-drums triggers, and stealth triggers fot my L80s and Gen16s. 👍✌️

  • @undahandeddrumma
    @undahandeddrumma 5 лет назад +1

    FIRST

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  5 лет назад

      NO not you too 🤣🤣🤣

    • @habanerat
      @habanerat 5 лет назад

      Congratulations! You get a gold star! ; )

    • @undahandeddrumma
      @undahandeddrumma 5 лет назад

      @@65Drums hahahahaha its meme Monday. Well in a different timezone

  • @mediaguy50
    @mediaguy50 5 лет назад

    Hi Justin, I have been thinking about upgrading my Yamaha 532 system and I would like your and your tribe's opinion on the best options for me. I have been using an electronic drum set for practise for about 20 years. My first edrum set was an acoustic kit I converted using Pintech triggers and pads and a TD 8, (which I still have). Then moved to the Yamaha about 5 years ago. There is so much new stuff out there I found it hard to figure out what is best for me even though I have some experience with edrums. So I have got my short list down to - add a Mimic to the Yamaha 532 or do a conversion, Buy a TD17 or buy an Alesis Strike pro and sell the Yamaha kit
    I would like the TD 50 for the positional sensing but the PRICE is too nuts for me. I play Jazz, Jazz fusion, Blues and R&B but still like the 6 piece drum setup, to add colour to those musical situations. I would really appreciate hearing what advice you and others have for me. Thank you all for your help. Paul
    P.S. I prefer the rubber toms over the mesh heads which I find way too bouncy and unrealistic compared to playing an acoustic kit, which I switch back and forth playing.