Challenge your thought, dismantle your ego, see through their eyes, not your own, see from their perception to gain perspective. Undo biases & superiority complexes. Undo the apathy you're taught as a child that crushes your natural empathy. Undo the taught behaviour to hate/disregard/murder/eat/not care for one, but love, house, spend countless dollars/hours saving & caring for the other when both/all are deserving of their own autonomy & their rights to their own body, own locomotion & own lives, which is all they have. You can't humanely kill someone who doesn't want to die. 💚🌱💚Going Vegan is as easy as just thinking of your victim every time you go to pay for it & literally just choose something else, not someone else.💚🌱💚
people feel they can’t enjoy life to the fullest without the use of animals, especially for food. but shouldn’t morals and conscience factor in or outweigh any “sacrifice” they think they will experience? it truly saddens me they don’t see the innocent victims 😭
I use them for medicine such as tested on animals. Insects them for adherents ised pn soo many everyday products such as vehicles and phones. transport when i catch a bus. Hiw do u avoid all use That's basically impossible in today world
It really is that simple, isn't it? It makes sense to most people when it is another person or even a pet... But extending that beyond comes in the excuses. The one that frustrated me today was the 'chickens are stupid, so it's ok' line. Which is borderline eugenics talk.
Yeah it's craaazy talk. Often these people are chased down these dead-ends of reasoning because they are in constant retreat when faced with moral accountability. In response to intelligence trait I ask "should we introduce a compulsory litmus test where anyone who falls below a certain standard is stripped of their rights?"
Exactly! Justice . End of horror and suffering for all animals. This Planet is theirs too. Humanity needs to become 'human' finally... Finally out of the caves....☹️
Exactly. I'll know we have advanced as a species when we stop discriminating on arbitrary traits and recognize / respect the innate rights of all sentient individuals. Until then I see the human race as an unworthy cluster of smart-idiot savages dressed in ill-fitting suit and ties.
Plants have different types of nutrients. Our body cant use some of the plant nutrients for example vitamin a, b12, omega 3. Beta carotene is in 44% of the humans not converted to vitamin a and if it can it does so poorly. I would say normal meat is bad but grassfed or wild is good for the environment and for you body. Would love to hear why my opinion is incorrect or if you have any questions?
Great! Please tell me what are your top 3 foods and do you have any bloating and gas from all that plant-based food? How active you are in your daily life? I was vegan for 3 year, but once I started introducing animal products in my diet again my bloating, my acne, and my brain fog were gone.
@@WHY_BRUV You do realize your internet activity is public, right? You have been spamming anti-vegan propaganda and grass-fed beef marketing for YEARS. So, how does it feel to be a tool of hate and misinformation? Does the meat industry pay you well?
@@theclipfather4631 It's amazing how you anti-vegan trolls don't realize everyone can see you internet activity and see that you've been SPAMMING vegan videos with anti-vegan propaganda. How does it feel to be a tool of the meat industry, one of the most cruel and destructive industry in the world?
@@erickgreen2361 Haha, I just wasted way too much time going through these studies. 1. Study just says that you have to plan your diet and be mindful of what you eat, yes duh. No one is denying that, going vegan with 0 knowledge is silly. 2. This study specifically does not oppose veganism and mentions it has to adequately planned as to not miss nutrients. 3. This study is all over the place, says veganism uses more cropland, and when you go to the study they reference, you find a study that says veganism uses less cropland. Lol? 4. The graph shown in the video is just talking about outsourced land, a good opportunity to avoid the numbers of the local us cropland split, they can't be serious. Also, all the numbers are based on Formulas paired with rather bold assumptions, not actual data, it's such a weird study to even reference in that regard. 5. The 40:60 study is actually interesting but also highly faulty. Disregarding the fact that the protein intake they suggest is rather low, they don't really go into the methodology of how they calculated the vegan diet. Like how do they calculate the vegan protein, they state legumes but not all legumes are created equal? Most of all, the problem a lot of the "what if the entire world was vegan" simulations always fall short of reality. Yes, it was trendy to make cashew sauces a few years ago, but that hardly means that vegans consume pounds of cashews or almonds. Plus, it's all completely irrelevant, the calorie and protein and even amino acid conversion rate from soy feed to beef is less than 50%, it always makes sense to grow soy for humans instead of beef. Grazing cows will never feed our world population, and don't come at me with ideas like "we are overpopulating the planet", we are not. The world and agricultural structures can adapt to the vegan diet, as it will never happen overnight. We definitely need more policies to avoid destructive monocropping and use of destructive fertilizers, but that is relevant in every scenario. Crops for animal feed have fewer regulations, btw. I understand if you don't have compassion for animals, or don't care for vegan ethics, I also used to strongly dismiss them. Just please don't spread misinformation like that, it's disingenuous and silly.
@@erickgreen2361 1 + 2. You seem to focus too much of a made up idea of a vegan, that you project onto every vegan. You love to hate that vegan. Yes, some vegans are too "easy" about their diet. Who cares? And who cares for a bit of "planning" when as a result you don't have to kill an animal. 3. There is a big overlap between pastureland and cropland. The notion that all pastureland can never be cropland is so laughable. Do better. 4. I'm saying those findings don't really say anything, you cannot extrapolate an industry based around meat consumption to a completely vegan world. It will never work. And again, the idea crumbles at the fact that a lot of pastureland is convertible to cropland. 5. Exactly, you just choose random parameters, and decide that veganism doesn't work within those parameters. I do not advocate for a vegan whole foods diet, most vegans don't, for the simple fact that it does require way more calories. Same problem as with point 1+2. The conversion rate is relevant because it doesn't matter what they feed cows, the land will always be better if used to produce protein for humans. Are you dense, beef has a better protein to calorie ratio than soy, but never when you factor in the land used to feed the beef. Cropwaste-fed and pasture fed cows is a fantasy concept. You're delusional if you think soy in animal feed is a mere by-product of oil production, and animal industry is not a massive driver for soy and corn crops. Vegans don't advocate for soy protein? Again, you fight with the made up vegan that lives in your head. The article you mention is very funny, let's squeeze as many cows onto every possible acre there is in the US, and we might be able to feed the US. Complete disregard to conservation zones, methane emissions and of course price for the end consumer. I'm sure Mrs Chatham is a leading researcher in the world of sustainable agriculture and not employed by a for-profit company that promotes pasture cattle farms. Oh, wait... never mind. And then you just start with the blatant lies haha, loss of organic farming haha yes organic plant based fertilizers are def not real, no small vegetable or grain farms, never existed. You do care about animals, care that we must keep killing them, and you spread misinformation to keep killing them. Again, you don't have to spread disinformation about veganism, if you don't like the idea of veganism.
I know that when it comes to activism, we should be peaceful, respectful, and comprehending. But at times, at the end of the day, grown ass adults need a reality check, and I have no issue expressing that reality because people need to be put in check. We see the urgency, we hear their screams and feel their suffering on a deep level. Why deny the facts? If so many others get to experience the feeling of freedom and contentment, why don't they deserve the same right? We don't need to exploit animals for any reason. That shit has been debated and debunked, and common sense should be a major factor. I'm not one to sugar coat a damn thing. It's time for us to wake up, fix the problem, and be the ones to create the change. Let's keep it pushin' and be the ones to make moves, create waves, and a positive change for these beautiful beings, our planet, and all of us.
Yes! Well said! The truth is a powerful thing. The truth can hurt people's egos. That doesn't mean we should stop delivering it. I'm sure lots of white South Africans had their little worlds turned upside down when apartheid was abolished. Poor them 😥. These kind of people profit from lies and I will save my sympathy for the real victims 🐂🐀🐄🐇🐖🐳
I really tried being a vegan but it seems I'm just not built for such diet. And I was really conscious about the food I eat, I cooked my meals, tried to create full amino profile with every meal and took supplements. I am really angry at the nature that we are built this way because I love animals and I don't want to kill them, but at the same time my health was getting worse and worse from the vegan diet. I've been vegan for 3 years before I started introducing animal products in my diet again. Now my brain fog is gone, more energy, no more gas and bloating, acne is gone, more lean muscle mass... Before I was eating legumes and nuts that I was soaking overnight, then boil them, adding vinger and a bunch of herbs to make them more digestable, but still had a lot of gas and bloating. Anyone else having the same experience?
Veganism, carnivore, fruitvore should be labeled as cults and not taken seriously at all, the claims are utterly exaggerated , I mean veganism reduces the uses of pests like what ? Beans are one of the major agri culture using pesticides in 3 stages of growth :) I wish we go back to times when people were arguing if eggs are good or bad instead of times where people with 0 actually knowledge in the field are teaching us what to eat because of moral feelings.
@@Integroabysal Huh? You know we feed a large number of crops to animals including legumes, crops that we use pesticides on. It's not efficient. We would reduce the use of pesticides because we would reduce the production of crops by going vegan.
Not sure if it was a vegan diet per say, but it is a challenge to get the right balance of nutrients on a vegan diet particularly with a variety of other lifestyle choices that people generally make that ruin their gut health, decrease nutrient absorption, etc.
@@Cancellator5000 okay, let me know what are those other lifestyle choices. As I said, I am very conscious about my diet, no alcohol, no coffee, no cigarettes, no nothing harmful and addictive.
@@theclipfather4631 Sounds better than me. It's also about recovering from what a standard diet/lifestyle does to your body, which for a lot of people just takes a bit of time, but I'd guess for some it is quite hard to recover from the gut microbiome they are left after a standard diet. If your body is having trouble processing beans that isn't a good sign as everyone including meat eaters should be including more of them in their diet. I'm sure there is some natural variability, but I'm skeptical that that means there are people that couldn't possibly be vegan. May be more challenging for some. The thing is figuring it out for yourself might involve testing how well you absorb certain nutrients and what foods cause issues. There are also things like beano and or other food products that can at least ease discomfort from a body that has trouble with complex carbs and stuff. Not sure what would cause brain fog on a vegan diet, but could be not enough healthy fats which are pretty easy to get on a vegan diet and/or a bad omega 6 to 3 ratio. Really depends on the details of what you were eating and what you weren't eating and also what were preexisting issues your body had.
Earthling Ed is a welfarist. I think the reason why so many vegans present such benefit arguments is because they are competing against an acquired taste preference that has developed over the spans of one's whole life in which sustenance probably makes up the largest part of a person's overall consumption.
I agree with you. He is a welfarist, and that is unfortunate. However I do think he is committed to the plight of the animals, and he has made a difference. It is possible to get people from welfarism to rights based deontology. Maybe even Ed himself. He would be even better if he argued for animal rights.
Mate... You can support welfare and the eventual end of torture in many many many years from now. Also people don't give a f about animals "they are objects" and it's easier to keep the deaths going. So yeah selfish reasons are my go-to in conversations and when i go for the ethics people just roll their eyes, look at me like an alien and stop listening (what little listening they did by that point)
What’s good for animals is simultaneously good for YOU. It’s not an exclusive matter. When I hear “vegan for the animals” I hear “my health is of no value to me.” When I see vegans on vegan dating sites preaching to the choir stating “vegan for the animals” I jog along as a it’s a major red flag for me. Why always the virtue signaling with modern vegans? It goes without saying that a person who abstains from killing (ie a vegan) is considering the life of the would-be victim. I do understand that we live in a world of psychopaths who somehow have no consciousness about this. But you’re not likely to convince them of your logic. That’s a personal moral issue people discover for themselves. I’m old school and don’t understand many modern vegans. I see many of these “vegan for the animals” people so often wallpapered with toxic auto body paint aka tattoos that permanently, negatively impact their immune systems. That’s the opposite of health consciousness. It’s a rather strange orientation of self sabotaging one’s own life while caring immensely for another life. The fact that humans are biological herbivores is all the reason we need to eat plant based. It’s also the reason why we feel bad about killing and eating animals. It’s because we are NOT biological carnivores! If we were, we wouldn’t likely have this dilemma as eating plant food would be challenging for our digestive systems, to say the least. I’m only trying to say that this is a broad, all encompassing matter and not a one liner simplification. The best way to convince someone not to put diesel fuel in a gasoline car is to explain that the gasoline car was not designed for diesel. Just because humans may be able to exist consuming the wrong foods (unlike cars), doesn’t mean there aren’t serious health problems associated, which they are. Anyway, I enjoyed the video! ❤
What would it profit a man to gain the world but lose his own soul? Frankly speaking, you're a narcisist / human supremacist who would put his own percieved incrimental health gains ahead of defending the rights of other innocent beings. Heck, you would probably stab ME in the back if you were rewarded with a few extra months or years onto the end of your long life. That's why I can't stand people like you. Your principles are for sale. You're bartering your decency away in exchange for propelling yourself toward this mirage of bogus health benefits which have no end in sight. And we can't hold a discussion about this without you labelling it as "virtue signalling". Your unconscious aim is to stop discourse around this subject. Because it makes you uncomfortable. Why is it only virtue signalling when it's something you disagree with? Also you need to update yourself about your opinions on diet. You are woefully out of the loop. Educate yourself please before you speak with such authority on debunked pseudo science.
Mate... People aren't for that yet. I have heard that animals are thigs and don't feel pain after 1h conversation on the pain and suffering They don't care or they don't want to admit the truth.
I would argue that in most cases they don't actually believe that, and they're just reflexively trying to sandbag catastrophic leaks in their moral reasoning while you're there in front of them.
My advise would be to move past the contrarian anti vegan troll to the 10 reasonable open minded people standing behind him. No successful social justice movement in history has required a 100% consensus of the population. We can leave the bigots behind and they can catch up later.
@@with-eyes-unclouded Yeah right there with you, but that doesn't mean they will listen to me. I have people say to me "why do you need a vet on slaughter houses?" [needed explanation about microbes, diseases, and even death certification] "No way i had an uncle on the inside you are wrong" [I took a master's degree on animal ethics! Vets told me all that stuff by first hand experience amongst many many sources so i forwarded one of them right at that moment to them] "Nah. Vegan propaganda." That person was a fellow dietitian btw. A person who is in Greece allowed to support vegans too (included kids) and they want (hadn't any clients yet) to literally let them pretty much starve to change them back. Same conversation pretty much with many other YOUNG (leftist -so no shit about profit>lives arguments). I don't think i am cut out for debating advocacy tbh. I am trying my hardest with family and friends and colleagues but there is no use. I think if i actually hit the Streets with a "you should go vegan change my mind" signs, even if i have my facts straight, my sources credible and available and not cherry-picked, i lose my cool way too easily and i get angry (i won't yell obviously but i will start to get hostile/more direct even with my people). Idk mate. I just don't think people are there yet to accept that animals are even HALF as important as people. Specism is a big issue especially when fascism and disregard to human rights are on the rise lately.
@@fayem4091 That is a very disheartening story. He is intellectually lazy / dishonest. Not indicative of all people. The antidote to ignorance is education. You have the ability to educate people. You literally have the cure to the problem and it would be amazing if you used it on more people. Keep in mind - It's human nature to not change one's opinion DURING an argument. The ego won't let it. Lots of little attempts accumulate over someone's life. Trying to convert your family is most likely not going to happen. I talked about this in a video last week. Populations are likely to change, but it is not possible to change the mind of any particular person you choose. Losing your cool is not the worst thing that could happen. if you get angry, it signals that this subject is IMPORTANT and there is a lot as stake. Not such a bad signal if you ask me. Remember, we are fighting apathy, not opposition. Some atrocities are so horrible that giving up is simply not an option. I can't give up on the animals and I won't. I won't let the idiots win. Until my last dying breath. I won't. I won't.
Maybe everyone should have as much empathy for a human baby in the womb as they do towards animals. I bet all of you would feel terrible if you were to stumble upon some roadkill raccoon or possum, especially horrified so when finding that inside the killed mother’s tummy is a bundle of squished, dead babies. Interesting how vegans also generally tend to support abortion.
Yeah I think culturally we are all extremely empathetic to babies in womb. Recently a friend of mine announced they were having a baby and showed us the ultrasound. We were all ecstatic, we practically had a party over this news. His partner had complications and the baby was lost. It was extremely sad. We didn't know exactly what to do because we add to the trauma they were already going through. It was a dark day felt by all who heard the news. This all took place within the first 8 weeks of pregnancy.
@@with-eyes-unclouded that’s what the government also about with native bison in The United States almost causing the mass extinction of bison. What’s your point. Cattle and bison do the same concept. They clear land to create meadows for dear, bison, cattle, birds wolfs and more. Clearly they are of value for food , making shelter for small animals and creating grass for other animals in there perspective zone while providing regenerative care to the land.
Yes, I think we should stop feeding the chopped up body parts of tortured factory farmed animals to scientifically proven to be omnivores. If you disagree, please name the magical ingredient found inside animal carcasses that cannot be procured anywhere else.
@@with-eyes-unclouded I don’t know but the smell of grilled steak on an open flame compared to a burning bush would suggest that we are supposed to eat meat
Most of the poor countries are vegans/vegetarians not by choice but because we don't have industrialized animal husbandry and animals are actually growing several years before you can eat them , so a better option is just eating the grains and beans cause it's faster, but this does not mean that it is better, if we compare relatively poor people that eat meat 1-2 times per month and people that are a bit richer and eat meat at least 2 times per week the latter are on the upper part of life quality and expectancy , I mean look at indians , they are mostly vegetarians with regions that are entirely vegans , and they are 123rd on life expectancy , they live 10 years less on average than french , that slap butter on everything. And don't start on me with the "oh but that's not a veganism or they are not doing it the right way" this argument is the same s communism failing for the 100th time and people being like "yeah but they didn't do it right way"
You're talking about marginal improvements at most. Mere optimizations of peak human health at the cost of other being's rights. If I told you that there was a special syrum inside the craniums of pre-pubescant boys and girls - perhaps of a remote jungle tribe who are not protected under law. This tribe was being harvested routinely for this elixir of life - and here it is in this jar - it will double your lifespan if you eat it once per year and it will only cost you $1000 per jar. Will you buy it once a year, knowing that it required a child to have their cranium split open for it? I do not deny that people can gain from the exploitation of animals. I could also gain financially from stealing your wallet. Yet it is WRONG to do so. Vegan diet is perfectly adequate. Why is that never enough for you?
@@with-eyes-unclouded Oh yeah , the real world data and experiments from several thousand of years vs random people on the internet without any knowledge in the field with " perfectly fine claims" and like what is with this analogy ? Its like so out of touch here lol , I mean its not that rich old people are doing this already paying for teen blood plasma and paying shtloads of money for new young organs when needed, just to survive a few more years i don't know in what world you live lol , its like you are in a bubble of your own imagination trying to deny the existence of the outer world.
oh boi, oh boi … you're utterly confused. the major reason for being a vegan, as you stated, should be for selfish reasons as it benefits us (02:58), which is the same reason for not being a vegan, right? what's worse, veganism itself prohibits the exploitation of animals for any purpose, even for those that would benefit us, isn't it? to make the whole thing even worse, you later state that (07:22) people don't have to be selfish; what are you arguing, which is it, should we be selfish or should we not? dude, you're all over the place.
"should be for selfish reasons as it benefits us" He quite literally said the opposite. He says 5 seconds later, "because they are selfish motives they miss the point completely". Were we watching the same video? "what are you arguing, which is it, should we be selfish or should we not?" Half the point of the video is to argue exactly why we shouldn't be selfish. (or, at least, why the primary motive for going vegan shouldn't be our selfishness)
@@Muffln yes, I think you are right. he actually says it's the reasons that are selfish reasons benefiting us should not be the key reasons for being a vegan and that the real and only reason should be because it's the 'right thing' to do; which is just kicking a can down the road and question begging. what is the answer to why it is the 'right thing'?
@@Muffln sure, but no one here is trying to justify the needless kiIIing of a sentient being. here we are talking about the 'right thing' as the only reason for veganism.
@@v.a.n.e. The only reason people perpetuate the needless killing of sentient beings is because they find that it is justified. That is the entire argument being made. Veganism is the right thing because it doesn't involve the needless killing of sentient beings.
I listened to 1:30 and not a single claim was right, pathetic, wake up and try to see perspectives outside of your bubble, but you wont do that because you are in a cult
"The function of freedom is to free others." - Toni Morrison
Challenge your thought, dismantle your ego, see through their eyes, not your own, see from their perception to gain perspective.
Undo biases & superiority complexes.
Undo the apathy you're taught as a child that crushes your natural empathy.
Undo the taught behaviour to hate/disregard/murder/eat/not care for one, but love, house, spend countless dollars/hours saving & caring for the other when both/all are deserving of their own autonomy & their rights to their own body, own locomotion & own lives, which is all they have.
You can't humanely kill someone who doesn't want to die.
💚🌱💚Going Vegan is as easy as just thinking of your victim every time you go to pay for it & literally just choose something else, not someone else.💚🌱💚
“You shouldn’t go around punching people because it hurts your first, but because it hurts them”. Great analogy 👏
The truth. Thank you.
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Thank you for sharing some wisdom with us!
Keep doing what you are doing!! Great content as always 💗💗💗
people feel they can’t enjoy life to the fullest without the use of animals, especially for food. but shouldn’t morals and conscience factor in or outweigh any “sacrifice” they think they will experience? it truly saddens me they don’t see the innocent victims 😭
I use them for medicine such as tested on animals. Insects them for adherents ised pn soo many everyday products such as vehicles and phones. transport when i catch a bus. Hiw do u avoid all use
That's basically impossible in today world
@@MoistVegan I guess you'd benefit from getting a more restful sleep.
Exactly!!! Animals value their lives for their own selves.
Humanity needs a new story... that was very well said, and I might use it. You got a new subscriber, mate !
It really is that simple, isn't it?
It makes sense to most people when it is another person or even a pet... But extending that beyond comes in the excuses.
The one that frustrated me today was the 'chickens are stupid, so it's ok' line. Which is borderline eugenics talk.
Yeah it's craaazy talk. Often these people are chased down these dead-ends of reasoning because they are in constant retreat when faced with moral accountability. In response to intelligence trait I ask "should we introduce a compulsory litmus test where anyone who falls below a certain standard is stripped of their rights?"
@@with-eyes-unclouded That Part.
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Exactly! Justice . End of horror and suffering for all animals. This Planet is theirs too. Humanity needs to become 'human' finally... Finally out of the caves....☹️
Exactly. I'll know we have advanced as a species when we stop discriminating on arbitrary traits and recognize / respect the innate rights of all sentient individuals.
Until then I see the human race as an unworthy cluster of smart-idiot savages dressed in ill-fitting suit and ties.
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Vegan for Ever and Ever...and NEVER forget that!
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I've been vegan for 15 years now. I've yet to hear an argument against Veganism that isn't completely irrational or misinformed.
Plants have different types of nutrients. Our body cant use some of the plant nutrients for example vitamin a, b12, omega 3. Beta carotene is in 44% of the humans not converted to vitamin a and if it can it does so poorly. I would say normal meat is bad but grassfed or wild is good for the environment and for you body. Would love to hear why my opinion is incorrect or if you have any questions?
Great! Please tell me what are your top 3 foods and do you have any bloating and gas from all that plant-based food? How active you are in your daily life? I was vegan for 3 year, but once I started introducing animal products in my diet again my bloating, my acne, and my brain fog were gone.
@@WHY_BRUV You do realize your internet activity is public, right? You have been spamming anti-vegan propaganda and grass-fed beef marketing for YEARS.
So, how does it feel to be a tool of hate and misinformation? Does the meat industry pay you well?
@@theclipfather4631 It's amazing how you anti-vegan trolls don't realize everyone can see you internet activity and see that you've been SPAMMING vegan videos with anti-vegan propaganda.
How does it feel to be a tool of the meat industry, one of the most cruel and destructive industry in the world?
Nutrition. The end. If you want to draw people into your movement stop ignoring people with legitimate concerns.
awesome video as always and i agree with every word. thank you
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@@erickgreen2361 i’m flattered you care 😊
you’re welcome to try
@@erickgreen2361 Haha, I just wasted way too much time going through these studies.
1. Study just says that you have to plan your diet and be mindful of what you eat, yes duh. No one is denying that, going vegan with 0 knowledge is silly.
2. This study specifically does not oppose veganism and mentions it has to adequately planned as to not miss nutrients.
3. This study is all over the place, says veganism uses more cropland, and when you go to the study they reference, you find a study that says veganism uses less cropland. Lol?
4. The graph shown in the video is just talking about outsourced land, a good opportunity to avoid the numbers of the local us cropland split, they can't be serious. Also, all the numbers are based on Formulas paired with rather bold assumptions, not actual data, it's such a weird study to even reference in that regard.
5. The 40:60 study is actually interesting but also highly faulty. Disregarding the fact that the protein intake they suggest is rather low, they don't really go into the methodology of how they calculated the vegan diet. Like how do they calculate the vegan protein, they state legumes but not all legumes are created equal?
Most of all, the problem a lot of the "what if the entire world was vegan" simulations always fall short of reality. Yes, it was trendy to make cashew sauces a few years ago, but that hardly means that vegans consume pounds of cashews or almonds. Plus, it's all completely irrelevant, the calorie and protein and even amino acid conversion rate from soy feed to beef is less than 50%, it always makes sense to grow soy for humans instead of beef. Grazing cows will never feed our world population, and don't come at me with ideas like "we are overpopulating the planet", we are not. The world and agricultural structures can adapt to the vegan diet, as it will never happen overnight.
We definitely need more policies to avoid destructive monocropping and use of destructive fertilizers, but that is relevant in every scenario. Crops for animal feed have fewer regulations, btw. I understand if you don't have compassion for animals, or don't care for vegan ethics, I also used to strongly dismiss them. Just please don't spread misinformation like that, it's disingenuous and silly.
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1 + 2. You seem to focus too much of a made up idea of a vegan, that you project onto every vegan. You love to hate that vegan. Yes, some vegans are too "easy" about their diet. Who cares? And who cares for a bit of "planning" when as a result you don't have to kill an animal.
3. There is a big overlap between pastureland and cropland. The notion that all pastureland can never be cropland is so laughable. Do better.
4. I'm saying those findings don't really say anything, you cannot extrapolate an industry based around meat consumption to a completely vegan world. It will never work. And again, the idea crumbles at the fact that a lot of pastureland is convertible to cropland.
5. Exactly, you just choose random parameters, and decide that veganism doesn't work within those parameters. I do not advocate for a vegan whole foods diet, most vegans don't, for the simple fact that it does require way more calories. Same problem as with point 1+2. The conversion rate is relevant because it doesn't matter what they feed cows, the land will always be better if used to produce protein for humans. Are you dense, beef has a better protein to calorie ratio than soy, but never when you factor in the land used to feed the beef. Cropwaste-fed and pasture fed cows is a fantasy concept. You're delusional if you think soy in animal feed is a mere by-product of oil production, and animal industry is not a massive driver for soy and corn crops. Vegans don't advocate for soy protein? Again, you fight with the made up vegan that lives in your head.
The article you mention is very funny, let's squeeze as many cows onto every possible acre there is in the US, and we might be able to feed the US. Complete disregard to conservation zones, methane emissions and of course price for the end consumer. I'm sure Mrs Chatham is a leading researcher in the world of sustainable agriculture and not employed by a for-profit company that promotes pasture cattle farms. Oh, wait... never mind. And then you just start with the blatant lies haha, loss of organic farming haha yes organic plant based fertilizers are def not real, no small vegetable or grain farms, never existed. You do care about animals, care that we must keep killing them, and you spread misinformation to keep killing them. Again, you don't have to spread disinformation about veganism, if you don't like the idea of veganism.
Thabks for the shout out. And I love the Of Mice and Men piece in the end.
No problem man. Sharing your perspective has been extremely helpful to me.
@@with-eyes-unclouded it's just a severe distaste for hierarchical thinking and fascism.
That's something we share
Btw when are you bringing back after dark??? 🌚
@@with-eyes-unclouded soon.
I know that when it comes to activism, we should be peaceful, respectful, and comprehending. But at times, at the end of the day, grown ass adults need a reality check, and I have no issue expressing that reality because people need to be put in check. We see the urgency, we hear their screams and feel their suffering on a deep level. Why deny the facts? If so many others get to experience the feeling of freedom and contentment, why don't they deserve the same right? We don't need to exploit animals for any reason. That shit has been debated and debunked, and common sense should be a major factor. I'm not one to sugar coat a damn thing. It's time for us to wake up, fix the problem, and be the ones to create the change. Let's keep it pushin' and be the ones to make moves, create waves, and a positive change for these beautiful beings, our planet, and all of us.
Yes! Well said!
The truth is a powerful thing. The truth can hurt people's egos. That doesn't mean we should stop delivering it.
I'm sure lots of white South Africans had their little worlds turned upside down when apartheid was abolished. Poor them 😥.
These kind of people profit from lies and I will save my sympathy for the real victims 🐂🐀🐄🐇🐖🐳
@@with-eyes-unclouded I don't give a damn about their feelings. As. We. Shouldn't. Selfishness is a powerful drug.
I really tried being a vegan but it seems I'm just not built for such diet. And I was really conscious about the food I eat, I cooked my meals, tried to create full amino profile with every meal and took supplements. I am really angry at the nature that we are built this way because I love animals and I don't want to kill them, but at the same time my health was getting worse and worse from the vegan diet.
I've been vegan for 3 years before I started introducing animal products in my diet again. Now my brain fog is gone, more energy, no more gas and bloating, acne is gone, more lean muscle mass... Before I was eating legumes and nuts that I was soaking overnight, then boil them, adding vinger and a bunch of herbs to make them more digestable, but still had a lot of gas and bloating.
Anyone else having the same experience?
Veganism, carnivore, fruitvore should be labeled as cults and not taken seriously at all, the claims are utterly exaggerated , I mean veganism reduces the uses of pests like what ? Beans are one of the major agri culture using pesticides in 3 stages of growth :) I wish we go back to times when people were arguing if eggs are good or bad instead of times where people with 0 actually knowledge in the field are teaching us what to eat because of moral feelings.
@@Integroabysal Huh? You know we feed a large number of crops to animals including legumes, crops that we use pesticides on. It's not efficient. We would reduce the use of pesticides because we would reduce the production of crops by going vegan.
Not sure if it was a vegan diet per say, but it is a challenge to get the right balance of nutrients on a vegan diet particularly with a variety of other lifestyle choices that people generally make that ruin their gut health, decrease nutrient absorption, etc.
@@Cancellator5000 okay, let me know what are those other lifestyle choices. As I said, I am very conscious about my diet, no alcohol, no coffee, no cigarettes, no nothing harmful and addictive.
@@theclipfather4631 Sounds better than me. It's also about recovering from what a standard diet/lifestyle does to your body, which for a lot of people just takes a bit of time, but I'd guess for some it is quite hard to recover from the gut microbiome they are left after a standard diet. If your body is having trouble processing beans that isn't a good sign as everyone including meat eaters should be including more of them in their diet. I'm sure there is some natural variability, but I'm skeptical that that means there are people that couldn't possibly be vegan. May be more challenging for some. The thing is figuring it out for yourself might involve testing how well you absorb certain nutrients and what foods cause issues. There are also things like beano and or other food products that can at least ease discomfort from a body that has trouble with complex carbs and stuff. Not sure what would cause brain fog on a vegan diet, but could be not enough healthy fats which are pretty easy to get on a vegan diet and/or a bad omega 6 to 3 ratio. Really depends on the details of what you were eating and what you weren't eating and also what were preexisting issues your body had.
Went vegan twelve years ago. My only regret is not doing it earlier.
After watching this I’m going to eat 90 steaks! Bacon! Lions!!!
No really, well said and keep it up. I’ll be sharing this video…
Earthling Ed is a welfarist. I think the reason why so many vegans present such benefit arguments is because they are competing against an acquired taste preference that has developed over the spans of one's whole life in which sustenance probably makes up the largest part of a person's overall consumption.
Earthling Ed is just a debate bro at the end of the day.
I agree with you. He is a welfarist, and that is unfortunate.
However I do think he is committed to the plight of the animals, and he has made a difference. It is possible to get people from welfarism to rights based deontology. Maybe even Ed himself. He would be even better if he argued for animal rights.
@@with-eyes-unclouded he’s just got his schitck. Who knows how he actually feels?
Mate... You can support welfare and the eventual end of torture in many many many years from now.
Also people don't give a f about animals "they are objects" and it's easier to keep the deaths going.
So yeah selfish reasons are my go-to in conversations and when i go for the ethics people just roll their eyes, look at me like an alien and stop listening (what little listening they did by that point)
@@skyjackmorgan what would you rather him be?
Vegan because animals are friends not food 💖💖💖💖🐷🐷🐮🐮🐔🐔🐑🐑
What’s good for animals is simultaneously good for YOU. It’s not an exclusive matter. When I hear “vegan for the animals” I hear “my health is of no value to me.” When I see vegans on vegan dating sites preaching to the choir stating “vegan for the animals” I jog along as a it’s a major red flag for me. Why always the virtue signaling with modern vegans? It goes without saying that a person who abstains from killing (ie a vegan) is considering the life of the would-be victim. I do understand that we live in a world of psychopaths who somehow have no consciousness about this. But you’re not likely to convince them of your logic. That’s a personal moral issue people discover for themselves. I’m old school and don’t understand many modern vegans. I see many of these “vegan for the animals” people so often wallpapered with toxic auto body paint aka tattoos that permanently, negatively impact their immune systems. That’s the opposite of health consciousness. It’s a rather strange orientation of self sabotaging one’s own life while caring immensely for another life. The fact that humans are biological herbivores is all the reason we need to eat plant based. It’s also the reason why we feel bad about killing and eating animals. It’s because we are NOT biological carnivores! If we were, we wouldn’t likely have this dilemma as eating plant food would be challenging for our digestive systems, to say the least. I’m only trying to say that this is a broad, all encompassing matter and not a one liner simplification. The best way to convince someone not to put diesel fuel in a gasoline car is to explain that the gasoline car was not designed for diesel. Just because humans may be able to exist consuming the wrong foods (unlike cars), doesn’t mean there aren’t serious health problems associated, which they are. Anyway, I enjoyed the video! ❤
What would it profit a man to gain the world but lose his own soul?
Frankly speaking, you're a narcisist / human supremacist who would put his own percieved incrimental health gains ahead of defending the rights of other innocent beings. Heck, you would probably stab ME in the back if you were rewarded with a few extra months or years onto the end of your long life.
That's why I can't stand people like you. Your principles are for sale. You're bartering your decency away in exchange for propelling yourself toward this mirage of bogus health benefits which have no end in sight.
And we can't hold a discussion about this without you labelling it as "virtue signalling". Your unconscious aim is to stop discourse around this subject. Because it makes you uncomfortable. Why is it only virtue signalling when it's something you disagree with?
Also you need to update yourself about your opinions on diet. You are woefully out of the loop. Educate yourself please before you speak with such authority on debunked pseudo science.
Huh?
Peace, Justice, Liberation for all. Can be reached only by Extinctionism.
get this guy a straitjacket and a padded cell
@@with-eyes-unclouded what are you talking about? Ah, propably you're only acting as a pro-lifer
Except that all of it is false, everything you listed is exactly the opposite. Grifter?
you're most welcome to actually present an argument.
That's not how that works
Mate... People aren't for that yet.
I have heard that animals are thigs and don't feel pain after 1h conversation on the pain and suffering
They don't care or they don't want to admit the truth.
I would argue that in most cases they don't actually believe that, and they're just reflexively trying to sandbag catastrophic leaks in their moral reasoning while you're there in front of them.
My advise would be to move past the contrarian anti vegan troll to the 10 reasonable open minded people standing behind him.
No successful social justice movement in history has required a 100% consensus of the population. We can leave the bigots behind and they can catch up later.
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Yeah right there with you, but that doesn't mean they will listen to me.
I have people say to me "why do you need a vet on slaughter houses?"
[needed explanation about microbes, diseases, and even death certification]
"No way i had an uncle on the inside you are wrong"
[I took a master's degree on animal ethics! Vets told me all that stuff by first hand experience amongst many many sources so i forwarded one of them right at that moment to them]
"Nah. Vegan propaganda."
That person was a fellow dietitian btw. A person who is in Greece allowed to support vegans too (included kids) and they want (hadn't any clients yet) to literally let them pretty much starve to change them back.
Same conversation pretty much with many other YOUNG (leftist -so no shit about profit>lives arguments).
I don't think i am cut out for debating advocacy tbh. I am trying my hardest with family and friends and colleagues but there is no use. I think if i actually hit the Streets with a "you should go vegan change my mind" signs, even if i have my facts straight, my sources credible and available and not cherry-picked, i lose my cool way too easily and i get angry (i won't yell obviously but i will start to get hostile/more direct even with my people).
Idk mate. I just don't think people are there yet to accept that animals are even HALF as important as people. Specism is a big issue especially when fascism and disregard to human rights are on the rise lately.
@@fayem4091 That is a very disheartening story. He is intellectually lazy / dishonest. Not indicative of all people.
The antidote to ignorance is education. You have the ability to educate people. You literally have the cure to the problem and it would be amazing if you used it on more people.
Keep in mind - It's human nature to not change one's opinion DURING an argument. The ego won't let it. Lots of little attempts accumulate over someone's life.
Trying to convert your family is most likely not going to happen. I talked about this in a video last week. Populations are likely to change, but it is not possible to change the mind of any particular person you choose.
Losing your cool is not the worst thing that could happen. if you get angry, it signals that this subject is IMPORTANT and there is a lot as stake. Not such a bad signal if you ask me. Remember, we are fighting apathy, not opposition.
Some atrocities are so horrible that giving up is simply not an option. I can't give up on the animals and I won't. I won't let the idiots win. Until my last dying breath. I won't. I won't.
Maybe everyone should have as much empathy for a human baby in the womb as they do towards animals. I bet all of you would feel terrible if you were to stumble upon some roadkill raccoon or possum, especially horrified so when finding that inside the killed mother’s tummy is a bundle of squished, dead babies. Interesting how vegans also generally tend to support abortion.
My empathy is for the pregnant human, and they should have autonomy over their own body.
Yeah I think culturally we are all extremely empathetic to babies in womb.
Recently a friend of mine announced they were having a baby and showed us the ultrasound. We were all ecstatic, we practically had a party over this news.
His partner had complications and the baby was lost. It was extremely sad. We didn't know exactly what to do because we add to the trauma they were already going through. It was a dark day felt by all who heard the news. This all took place within the first 8 weeks of pregnancy.
You need a balance echo system. You know the cycle of life.
I agree, and we level vast areas of balanced ecosystem to raise cattle. It is needlessly destroying the earths natural habitat.
@@with-eyes-unclouded that’s what the government also about with native bison in The United States almost causing the mass extinction of bison. What’s your point. Cattle and bison do the same concept. They clear land to create meadows for dear, bison, cattle, birds wolfs and more. Clearly they are of value for food , making shelter for small animals and creating grass for other animals in there perspective zone while providing regenerative care to the land.
human being thrived because consumed animals. Stop caring about anything and simply eating animals
"Stop caring about anything" wow what a role model
You're also factually wrong.
what about dogs should we make them vegan aswell?
Yes, I think we should stop feeding the chopped up body parts of tortured factory farmed animals to scientifically proven to be omnivores. If you disagree, please name the magical ingredient found inside animal carcasses that cannot be procured anywhere else.
@@with-eyes-unclouded I don’t know but the smell of grilled steak on an open flame compared to a burning bush would suggest that we are supposed to eat meat
Most of the poor countries are vegans/vegetarians not by choice but because we don't have industrialized animal husbandry and animals are actually growing several years before you can eat them , so a better option is just eating the grains and beans cause it's faster, but this does not mean that it is better, if we compare relatively poor people that eat meat 1-2 times per month and people that are a bit richer and eat meat at least 2 times per week the latter are on the upper part of life quality and expectancy , I mean look at indians , they are mostly vegetarians with regions that are entirely vegans , and they are 123rd on life expectancy , they live 10 years less on average than french , that slap butter on everything. And don't start on me with the "oh but that's not a veganism or they are not doing it the right way" this argument is the same s communism failing for the 100th time and people being like "yeah but they didn't do it right way"
You're talking about marginal improvements at most. Mere optimizations of peak human health at the cost of other being's rights.
If I told you that there was a special syrum inside the craniums of pre-pubescant boys and girls - perhaps of a remote jungle tribe who are not protected under law.
This tribe was being harvested routinely for this elixir of life - and here it is in this jar - it will double your lifespan if you eat it once per year and it will only cost you $1000 per jar.
Will you buy it once a year, knowing that it required a child to have their cranium split open for it?
I do not deny that people can gain from the exploitation of animals.
I could also gain financially from stealing your wallet. Yet it is WRONG to do so.
Vegan diet is perfectly adequate. Why is that never enough for you?
Btw where I'm from our healthcare system suffers from diseases of excess, not from deficiencies.
@@with-eyes-unclouded Oh yeah , the real world data and experiments from several thousand of years vs random people on the internet without any knowledge in the field with " perfectly fine claims" and like what is with this analogy ? Its like so out of touch here lol , I mean its not that rich old people are doing this already paying for teen blood plasma and paying shtloads of money for new young organs when needed, just to survive a few more years i don't know in what world you live lol , its like you are in a bubble of your own imagination trying to deny the existence of the outer world.
oh boi, oh boi … you're utterly confused. the major reason for being a vegan, as you stated, should be for selfish reasons as it benefits us (02:58), which is the same reason for not being a vegan, right?
what's worse, veganism itself prohibits the exploitation of animals for any purpose, even for those that would benefit us, isn't it?
to make the whole thing even worse, you later state that (07:22) people don't have to be selfish; what are you arguing, which is it, should we be selfish or should we not? dude, you're all over the place.
"should be for selfish reasons as it benefits us" He quite literally said the opposite. He says 5 seconds later, "because they are selfish motives they miss the point completely". Were we watching the same video?
"what are you arguing, which is it, should we be selfish or should we not?" Half the point of the video is to argue exactly why we shouldn't be selfish. (or, at least, why the primary motive for going vegan shouldn't be our selfishness)
@@Muffln yes, I think you are right. he actually says it's the reasons that are selfish reasons benefiting us should not be the key reasons for being a vegan and that the real and only reason should be because it's the 'right thing' to do; which is just kicking a can down the road and question begging. what is the answer to why it is the 'right thing'?
@@v.a.n.e. Taste pleasure doesn't justify needless killing of a sentient being. (or paying for it)
@@Muffln sure, but no one here is trying to justify the needless kiIIing of a sentient being. here we are talking about the 'right thing' as the only reason for veganism.
@@v.a.n.e. The only reason people perpetuate the needless killing of sentient beings is because they find that it is justified. That is the entire argument being made.
Veganism is the right thing because it doesn't involve the needless killing of sentient beings.
Entyce is truly based as well
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I listened to 1:30 and not a single claim was right, pathetic, wake up and try to see perspectives outside of your bubble, but you wont do that because you are in a cult
You didn't get very far into the video, did you? 😂