Stick Controls are WORSE Than Motion Controls

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @TGPRany
    @TGPRany  8 дней назад +9

    the demonstration of stick and motion controls later into the video is not meant to exaggerate stick controls being worse, I'm just bad at sticks

    • @Nullus-1
      @Nullus-1 6 дней назад

      I will still always use stick :)

  • @Deltacakes
    @Deltacakes 9 дней назад +33

    Splatoon's motion controls are so good that it has actively hurt my enjoyment of games that don't have any/similar motion controls

  • @CJBox9
    @CJBox9 2 дня назад +5

    I remember in splatoon 2, i was first playing in handheld and i didn’t like the motion controls
    After a while i knew i sucked when getting the charger in salmon run, so i made it so that it switches to motion controls when i take the joycons off, so i can switch whenever i got supplied a charger
    Then i got used to it and got a pro controller and never went back to stick

  • @danielle_6
    @danielle_6 4 дня назад +4

    And majority top Splatoon Speedrunners use motion controls too! For the same reasons that you listed in the video; Speed and Accuracy.

  • @apochu109
    @apochu109 11 дней назад +3

    i played all of my shooters on pc up until i started playing splatoon because i just couldnt get used to the choppy stick movements of controllers but motion controls really immitates mouse aiming and ive been having a blast playing splatoon because of it

  • @ThatSrb2DUDE
    @ThatSrb2DUDE 8 дней назад +5

    Brilliant video dude! 👌🏾

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      @@ThatSrb2DUDE ty, I appreciate it!

  • @VismayaSpoon
    @VismayaSpoon 7 дней назад +4

    The only complaint I have for motion controls is that it disables y axis on stick completely and I always end up looking at the sky ingame

    • @splashofazure
      @splashofazure 7 дней назад +2

      just press Y to reset

    • @harroo6099
      @harroo6099 7 дней назад +1

      I prefer not having a y axis because whenever i want to look left or right using stick i always accidentally go up a bit and miss. but ye i can see how it would be kinda annoying

  • @BelleColonD
    @BelleColonD 8 дней назад +9

    I don't think anyone's ever tried to argue that stick controls are better than motion. I understand that motion is objectively better, but does that stop me from playing sticks? Not at all. I just play the game the way I'm most comfortable with

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад +2

      @@BelleColonD there's a surprising amount of people who try to argue that sticks are better

    • @Cool-Vest
      @Cool-Vest 3 дня назад +1

      It's not Splatoon players arguing Sticks is better, that's for sure.

  • @BigPro1123
    @BigPro1123 9 дней назад +4

    Using motion with close range weapons make my head confused so I only use it for mid-long range weapons.

  • @RickTS
    @RickTS 9 дней назад +6

    Yeah, like 2 years ago, Splatoon 3 actually made me unable to touch sticks lol! So while playing Fortnite on switch, Switch fortnite has motion controls combines with stick! The feature has been there since Chapter 1 Fortnite! But barely anyone knew about it, and it was VERY usefull, I was able to FLICK AND use stick controls! Stick for large movement, and then the motion for micro adjustments or flicking!

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  9 дней назад +1

      @@RickTS motion controls W

  • @natologic
    @natologic 9 дней назад +3

    I appreciate this video because it discusses a topic that's normally just thrown thrown about with insults and gatekeeping. That being said, I had a few observations: one technical, one about the game from a competitive player's perspective:
    At 3:01 you stated that "motion controls are only limited by how fast you as an individual can move your arms and wrists, wheras stick controls are highly restricted by input sensitivity on the console's part." You then go on to say that since the radius of the joystick to any side is much smaller than the radius of the center of the controller to your elbow, motion controls can (theoretically) aim your character much faster than sticks. It turns out this isn't quite right because the controller (joycon and procon) sends the stick data as a completely separate part of the data packet than the IMU data which contains the gyro. Each axis of the gyro data sampled at 5ms intervals and stored in an Int16 in the IMU packet, while horizontal and vertical stick data actually is packaged in four bytes per stick (two bytes per axis, aka up to 32767 increments per quadrant outside of dead zones) earlier in the input report. It's not that there's a single "aim speed" report being sent, and motion is faster - it's two completely discrete values, and it's entirely up to the console and game to decide what to do with it. [side-note: the demonstration you showed at 3:45 does not come close to saturating the Int16 Z IMU data meaning the theoretical limit is much much much faster than what you've demonstrated]
    At 4:47 you state that "...even being able to aim half a second faster is massively important, especially if you play a mechanically demanding weapon like charger." One of the best charger players in the world is ぴょん [Pyon] and he plays at... [-1, -1] sensitivity. If what you said is true, why isn't he maxing out his sensitivity at +5? It turns that's because for many weapons, it doesn't matter how _fast_ you can aim at the target, if you can't actually get your reticle on it once you get there. Speed is useless without accuracy. Chocopero, famous for being the world's best Squeezer (arguably the most mechanically demanding weapon in the franchise) plays at [-1, 0.5]. Again, most of these players' aptitude comes from their incredible game-sense, positioning, and above all _accurate_ aim, not necessarily the marginal advantage they'd get from theoretically being able to aim a tiny bit faster. I think you kind of get to the importance of accuracy at 5:19, but your demonstration at 5:33 is fully saturating the stick (pushing it to the extent of each axis) puts stick controls in a bad light. It's pretty clear from the demonstration you start at 7:06 that you aren't using the full range of the sticks - it looks like you're saturating them briefly in the direction you're trying to aim - that's 32766 values you aren't using. This doesn't mean that stick controls are bad, but it might indicate you don't have a lot of experience playing with sticks.
    Again, appreciated the video. I play with motion. My teammate plays with sticks. I'm of the opinion we should let people play how they want.

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      I do actually mention how the sensitivity of motion controls is in the hands of the player and each player does best with different sensitivity; as long at they have better control of their aim then sensitivity doesn't matter. I probably should've spent more time on that though

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      also yes, the demonstration is bad, I'm genuinely just bad with stick controls. I wasn't trying to exaggerate the difference, I'm just bad

  • @StarWagi
    @StarWagi 7 дней назад +3

    While i understand motion isn't for everyone, I personally want every shooter with controller support to have nintendo motion controls. It just feels so good and as someone who has a lot of friend who play more starndard shooters I'm tired of trying to explain why this should happen ;-;

  • @Adeline.525
    @Adeline.525 11 дней назад +2

    This is actually such a nice video, ily rany

  • @Harmony-s7b
    @Harmony-s7b 6 дней назад +3

    my wrists hurt when using motions and a lot of times idk what to do haha

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  6 дней назад +1

      @@Harmony-s7b try increasing your sensitivity. You shouldn't actually be moving your wrists very much when using motion controls (remember to use your sticks to move
      your camera)

    • @Harmony-s7b
      @Harmony-s7b 6 дней назад

      @ i do, i also use 5 5 sensitivity, also how do you not use your wrists?

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  6 дней назад

      @ I think of it more like writing with a pencil. you use your wrists a lot but not super dramatically. with that sensitivity then you should be able to get good coverage with minimal wrist movement and even doing a 180 turn shouldn't be very much combined with sticks

  • @Robloxian_levixx
    @Robloxian_levixx 9 дней назад +5

    every time i use motions i always lose, my sim is really really off, so sticks are better for me, but yeah, most players like motion controls better.

  • @ThisMan555
    @ThisMan555 7 дней назад +1

    For my first hear of splatoon 2 I used stick controls and I got like unreasonably good with max sensitivity splatterscope even with motion controls and thousands of hours I still can't hit charger shots as well, although I'm way better at every other weapon due to motion

  • @slurples149
    @slurples149 7 дней назад +4

    Motion controls in other games like fortnite and call of duty are awful and are way to delayed then splatoon 3. It's the only game to implement them properly

  • @jinkusuSPL
    @jinkusuSPL 8 дней назад +2

    0:45 this channel is goated using tenta brella within the first 45 seconds :D
    THANK YOU FOR HAVING COMMON TENT KNOWLAGE DUDE IT PISSES ME OFF WHEN PEOPLE PLAY AGRO WHEN THEY NEED TO PLAY DEFENSE, YOU PLAYED YOUR ROLE TH RIGHT WAY :DDDDDDD
    8:59 AND HE CLOSED WITH IT :DDDDDDDD

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      @@jinkusuSPL I agree, it's sometimes frustrating to see people play Tent! Tent is such a misunderstood weapon, I'm glad I've taken the time to understand it 🙏

    • @jinkusuSPL
      @jinkusuSPL 8 дней назад

      @@TGPRany tent gets really fun if your mates know how to actually play with you, it can lead to AMAZING plays, and is really satisfying in clamz.
      also, play it on TC, if you get (un)lucky, the tent will go flying and cause the game to be a loss!

  • @NintenDOPENess
    @NintenDOPENess 9 дней назад +1

    stick, chopstick, hockey stick, don't matter i whoop anybody with those

  • @joejones6353
    @joejones6353 9 дней назад +3

    Something else of note, most console shooters have some form of aim assist. Splatoon does not, which makes stick aiming much more difficult than in other games.

  • @fiercedeityandy9303
    @fiercedeityandy9303 9 дней назад +1

    Congrats on 1K!!!

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  9 дней назад

      @@fiercedeityandy9303 ty!

  • @Lisku_
    @Lisku_ 8 дней назад +2

    Im a competitive sticks player on a team. yes I understand that motion is better, but i simply enjoy sticks more. I even gave it a fair shot by using motion for a week straight, it was great and im definitely open to switching to it full time after that. I have seen lots of success so far being on a team for > 6 months while using sticks, as i go higher and higher I will probably switch to motion, but for now i’m sticking with sticks. People treat me like a robot sometimes for that.

    • @TheManofManyTitles
      @TheManofManyTitles 8 дней назад +1

      It's pretty cool that you got to such a high level by only using stick controls! If I may ask, what weapons would you recommend to someone who uses stick controls if you had to recommend them to other players who might be at a lower level? What weapons are best for the playstyle that stick controls would provide in your opinion?

    • @Woffle8340
      @Woffle8340 7 дней назад

      People used to get mad at me for using sticks even though they just feel better to use. Nobody is denying motion is better

    • @Lisku_
      @Lisku_ 7 дней назад

      @@TheManofManyTitles Well, i have been playing stamper for almost a year straight now. it has worked great! I would definitely recommend charcoal decavitator because of its lunge so you can turn your camera accordingly. its also just a great weapon overall. im friend’s with a div 6 player who mains it, while he does use motion, its 100% viable for competitive play. also thank you!!!

  • @CrispChip
    @CrispChip 9 дней назад +3

    7:06 what is this guy doing, he's just running around and not painting or contributing to his team! He should be banned or something

  • @Luxius_8
    @Luxius_8 9 дней назад +1

    Bro is now a great value Nerrel.
    Next video he will be a great value Dunkey.

  • @williamcree
    @williamcree 11 дней назад +5

    I sacrificed 5 minutes of my time for this, I regret nothing

    • @Robloxian_levixx
      @Robloxian_levixx 9 дней назад

      5?? it says 9.

    • @Seacle14
      @Seacle14 9 дней назад

      I want this technology that lets you watch videos in half the time.

    • @williamcree
      @williamcree 8 дней назад +1

      @@Seacle14 if only it was real. I was referring to being the one who Rany beat up for using sticks

    • @Seacle14
      @Seacle14 8 дней назад

      @ Oh I see haha. Seems more like a worthwhile investment than a sacrifice to me.

    • @williamcree
      @williamcree 8 дней назад

      @ I ended up being a bit late for a class that I had a test in, hence why it was a sacrifice

  • @HenrikMyrhaug
    @HenrikMyrhaug 9 дней назад +1

    Mmh, yes. The floor here is made out of floor!

  • @TheManofManyTitles
    @TheManofManyTitles 9 дней назад +1

    As someone who has played with motion controls since day one... I genuinely agree with you! That said, I can see stick controls being useful in one of two conditions:
    Condition number 1:
    You have a disability or condition that prevents you from using these controls without either physical pain or motion sickness. Pretty self explanatory, and obviously video games should not cause players literal pain while playing.
    Condition number 2:
    You are playing with a charger, the tri-stringer or the H-3 Nozzlenoze. (Technically blasters would also count, but considering they have much shorter range, I wouldn't say so as much). The thing these weapons have in common is being ranged weapons that don't require high range of movement to steady one's aim that all have the ability to splat opponents in one hit. The main thing is that if your aim is off, you either miss your shot entirely (chargers) or you will NOT splat opponents in one hit or one volley. With motion controls, the literal micro-movements of one's body can mess up your aim just enough that one of the H-3 Nozzlenoze's bullets whiffs or the tri-stringer's arrows don't all connect, turning a one hit splat into a two hit splat at least.
    This is the one advantage to stick controls I can think of, but motion controls feel so good that basically every shooter game ever from now on should have them... but what do you think?

    • @OOFUS4103
      @OOFUS4103 9 дней назад +1

      i 100% disagree with your argument that chargers and semi-autos are better with sticks.

    • @Big-Chungus21
      @Big-Chungus21 9 дней назад

      Second part is almost completely false. Its better to miss shots every once in a while (which in my experience motion does not cause) than to spend absolutely ages steadying your aim and having more downtime with sticks. Personally I play bamboozler so using sticks isn’t remotely possible. You have to have precise aim and aim fast with bamboo.

    • @Garde0ir
      @Garde0ir 9 дней назад +1

      Generally the best aim style for charger+stringer is flicking, which has the added LARGE bonus of unpredictability (for charger). Otherwise I’d say relying on one type of control on its own is a bad idea; if the small movements of your hand are messing up your nozzlenose gameplay just turn motion sensitivity way down. It would be cool if they added a toggle for vertical stick control even when you’re using motion controls

    • @Big-Chungus21
      @Big-Chungus21 9 дней назад

      @ yea definitely. You should gradually experiment with increasing / decreasing the sensitivity as you get better too as itll become less of an issue.

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      I definitely agree with the first one but not really the second one. your second condition doesn't really change anything and missing those shots with motion controls is just a skill issue atp 😅 but optimally the best shots are going to come with motion controls regardless

  • @Hmanpc
    @Hmanpc 7 дней назад

    It kind of helped getting used to motion controls after using sticks for as long as I can remember because until last month I have not a controller in a year and then when I did, I was like let’s try this because I watched a video about team fortress two of all things and how a controller in that game could be better than a mouse and keyboard because of a combination of motion control and some thing called the flick stick basically what it does is it turns your camera stick and makes it so it moves the camera like it’s a top down game before anyone says vertical aiming motion control and that video just kind of resonated in my mind for the past six months and holy s**t I can’t go back. I tried because I recently wanted to play the original halo combat evolved and because I was playing the game on the MCC on a computer I tried with mouse and keyboard and that just felt unnatural. The game wasn’t designed for it which I find kind of funny because before the team behind halo 1-3 ODST and reach made any of those games. They made a trilogy of first person shooters on the Mac. I wish I was joking anyways then I tried to plug in a controller and Jesus Christ the stick felt awful I had to use steam input to force motion controls in the game. What was I talking about again?

  • @ItsToadTime_Wiiu
    @ItsToadTime_Wiiu 8 дней назад +1

    I got good with motion controls in s3 but i only played sticks from s1 to s2, i was cracked with charger for sticks and motion now somehow lol 3:48 flicking is very hard with sticks and is more of a hail mary because even at high sensitivity its a very long motion opposed to a slight movement of the wrist for motion with some stick working together anyway used to team sticks now im for motion controls all the way 4:13 360s are almost instant for most people anyway bc we use stick and the controller idk how any of us can do it but ive noticed we tend to 180 alot with most if not all weapons

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад +1

      I hit some pretty insane 180 shots all the time

    • @ItsToadTime_Wiiu
      @ItsToadTime_Wiiu 8 дней назад

      @TGPRany I always surprise myself lol

  • @senel1996
    @senel1996 8 дней назад

    I get disoriented playing motions with mid to high sensitivity because I jitter and low sensitivity is too slow aiming for me on top of wider movement cramping my hands. Granted I've never played undocked so that might be more comfortable

  • @tarosykes
    @tarosykes 9 дней назад +2

    Watch out, stick players would be very annoyed with the title if they could read... xd
    (i'm joking i promise)

  • @mrgamer22222
    @mrgamer22222 8 дней назад +2

    I use a combination of both

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад +3

      @@mrgamer22222 well yeah, sticks are still a necessary component of motion controls

    • @mrgamer22222
      @mrgamer22222 7 дней назад

      @TGPRany facts

  • @Marble_1
    @Marble_1 8 дней назад +1

    This video just roasted me for being bad at using motion controls in 150 languages 😂.
    Okay, but seriously. While motion controls do indeed prove better in the accuracy department in the long run, they do have quite a bit of a learning curve to them. As someone who has pretty unsteady hands to begin with and tends to move their controller around quite a bit during play, it’s kind of a rude awakening to realise that moving your controller around actually does something. Stick controls, in that sense, have an easier learning curve. They’re better for those who want a greater sense of control over when they move their camera, and are okay with sacrificing accuracy in terms of actual mobility.

  • @GABE12-e2n
    @GABE12-e2n 5 дней назад +1

    I just prefer sticks bcs im used to it from other games

  • @Lima_does_stuff
    @Lima_does_stuff 9 дней назад +1

    I always appreciate a new splatuber, but honestly no one is arguing it isn't
    Gotta bring more relevant topics to discuss if you want views

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  9 дней назад +1

      @@Lima_does_stuff I'm sorry but that just isn't true, plenty of casual Splatoon enjoyers think that motions are dumb
      but I don't really try to talk about what's currently relevant, I'm kinda just more interested in making videos about aspects of the game I think are cool (i.e Tenta Brella paint)

    • @Lima_does_stuff
      @Lima_does_stuff 9 дней назад

      @@TGPRany Yea you are right,
      It's an old discussion but I always forget that there's always ppl still arguing abt it even when it's common sense is the comp scene,
      Sorry for being arrogant

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  9 дней назад +1

      yeah it's an incredibly old discussion. as old as the Splatoon

  • @sploof389
    @sploof389 9 дней назад +1

    i understand that casuals arent gonna understand why motion is better but do they care either? maybe im not on splattwitter enough to see people talking

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  8 дней назад

      there's a large playerbase that does genuinely care and get annoyed when others say motions are better

    • @sploof389
      @sploof389 8 дней назад +1

      @@TGPRany damn, guess im too much of a sweat. anyway cool video, the actual breakdown of why its better was nice to see instead of "because it is"

  • @InsertQuarterPlz
    @InsertQuarterPlz 10 дней назад

    I haven't watched the video yet. Let me explain my opinion.
    Splatoon has a lot of unexpected things that'll happen. It's all based on reaction if you don't react fast.. Splat! Without motion you have the risk of missing and never readjusting to splat the person so unless you're better I don't think sticks is a good choice.

  • @JadeNotHarley
    @JadeNotHarley 9 дней назад

    Sure they're better if you're playing on another screen but I can't see what I'm doing when I try to use motion undocked

    • @metalridleyz
      @metalridleyz 9 дней назад

      Oh god the next video's topic has to be UNDOCKED GAMEPLAY is worse than DOCKED. (On serious note you don't really need to care for better gameplay if you need to play the game undocked.)

    • @JadeNotHarley
      @JadeNotHarley 9 дней назад

      @metalridleyz I just don't have a TV with which to dock my Switch

    • @dewroot5176
      @dewroot5176 9 дней назад +1

      Just use tabletop mode. Your switch's screen can be placed as a stand on a table, so you can use its small size to aid your peripheral vision without having to tilt it around.

    • @JadeNotHarley
      @JadeNotHarley 9 дней назад

      @@dewroot5176 no

    • @yahoooooooooooooooooooooo
      @yahoooooooooooooooooooooo 3 дня назад

      i play strictly undocked and motion is just better

  • @itskyuubi09
    @itskyuubi09 8 дней назад

    can i play splatoon if i dont have hands?

  • @qwertyqwertperson
    @qwertyqwertperson 9 дней назад +1

    I havent watched the video yet
    everybody already knows this bro 😭

    • @TGPRany
      @TGPRany  9 дней назад

      @@qwertyqwertperson you must be fun at parties.

  • @harroo6099
    @harroo6099 7 дней назад +2

    saying stick controls are better than motion controls is exactly the same as saying stick controls are better than a mouse.

  • @sidm8301
    @sidm8301 8 дней назад

    theryre just called gyro everywhere else, both steamdeck PlayStation have it, and you can do it with an attachment for Xbox controllers

    • @snowparody
      @snowparody 7 дней назад

      Ok? So what

    • @sidm8301
      @sidm8301 6 дней назад

      @ because as someone who fucking loved gyro I recoiled at the title of the video like a vampire to the sun, also the guy keep saying it’s exclusive to Nintendo