All Symbols Are Good, Until They Become Luciferian | David Schindler & Jonathan Pageau
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Climbing Mt. Sophia: The Symbolic, Diabolical, and the Luciferian: Jonathan Pageau and David Schindler: • The Symbolic, Diabolic...
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Brilliant statement by Johnathan there at the end. All things are good, if they are in their proper order, it’s the disordering of things that becomes a problem.
So whats the order? 1-2-3-4. Chair-Table-Chair. Man-Woman-Man.. no wait that´s wrong. It´s like putting your chair right next to your table. Blasphemy.
@@CarpeDiem-rm2vm the most blasphemous lie ever told is that the fork should go in your left hand and the knife in your right hand.
@@CarpeDiem-rm2vm Excellent example of the wilful misunderstanding and drollery that is the clownish inversion of right order.
that headline made me click so fast its yesterday.
14:32 “Our desires are good. It is only our disordering that makes them sinful.”
Dante’s desiderio.
Longing and belonging
Patterns fractallize
Ordinary people won't understand this message. Only the Occult people that are bless by god. We need to keep this message a secret. Being in the cult is the only way to heaven.
@@remakeourlifeclips439 so you would rather limit, hide, and hoard the truth of God than reflect the nature of God by blessing others with it?
@@Tyler_W yes, we need to hide the Truth from strangers. That's the Orthodox way, that god have been given to us...
@@remakeourlifeclips439 If you're not just trolling, I'd recommend you take a solid look at yourself.
@@hellomate639 What if his looking-glass occults his image tho?
4:00 Ken Lowry bopping his head because Jonathan spitting BARS
Iremember feeling this in my world religion class. As a sperg i read everything.
And that dy in class it struck me how magic that really was that these things in the environment can ensnare my mind to have the thougths that are printed.
This reminds me of French revolutionaries desecrating Catholic Churches in the name of rationalism.
2morVs ("Is that weird?") has a Pageau song about exactly that.
Yeah, Agreed with you on this one. We need to bring back indulgence, my brother. We don't need logic
Catholics burning People at the stake for sharing the Gospel.
Henry VIII and the partially financially motivated stripping of the altars and dissolution of the monasteries.
@@webstercat potty mouth
I would love to hear a conversation between Jonathan and Jason Jorjani, on the topic of luciferian symbolism.
Yeah, but I love to them to discuss the symbolism of indulgence more.
In some motion systems, dither is purposely induced to reduce the effects of friction, or more specifically, stick-slip. When two objects begin to move relative to one another, the static friction encountered during the start of motion is higher - often significantly higher - than the dynamic friction that occurs once movement has been initiated. This leads to a phenomenon known as stick-slip, or stiction, which causes jerky, uneven motion.
Ordinary people won't understand this message. Only the Occult people that are bless by god. We need to keep this message a secret. Being in the cult is the only way to heaven.
I find it amazing that we can even believe we understand each other…forget knowing we understand each other.
“Why so serious?” - 🃏
Ordinary people won't understand this message. Only the Occult people that are bless by god. We need to keep this message a secret. Being in the cult is the only way to heaven.
@@remakeourlifeclips439 who told you that??
@@remakeourlifeclips439??? 🤔
Thank you and God bless you.
Chaos at the appropriate time, for an appropriate amount of time, is the purpose of the sabbath, right?
Ordinary people won't understand this message. Only the Occult people that are bless by god. We need to keep this message a secret. Being in the cult is the only way to heaven.
The right balance of chaos and order could be called the sacred. The sabbath is sacred.
Have you ever fleshed out the alchemical idea of the rebus or the state.of the stone in rubedo?
Symbolically I mean ..? ps Jesus all day etc 🙏❤️
When speaking about carnivals, you mentioned they symbolize the end. Is there any fundamental difference between the “end” and the margin/edge?
(but if we go into the history on why the natsocs used that symbol they knew what they were doing and agreed with a lot of what was said)
are we ever going to get someone who doesnt just paint natsocs as bad... ugghhhhhhhh
What evidence do you have for us being “at the end of something?”
I saw swastikas on the floor in the chapel in Cobh Ireland
The swastika was a symbol of divinity in Hinduism that the Nazis appropriated and altered. More to it than that if you care to look it up, I'm not recalling everything.
@@meredith3588 I was more concerned that a church had an ancient hindu symbol
@@andrewselbyphotography 1) The swastika is not just an ancient Hindu symbol.
2) All religions contain or may contain elements of truth along with a number of mistakes, that's why certain stories and images recur in different cultures and some predate Christianity - though they were always Christian in their essence because their ultimate source was God.
@@djo-dji6018 Yes, all symbols are from God until the demons invert and prevert the symbols. So just as I won't do yoga poses because they are worship to demons, so too will I avoid the use of hindu symbols, especially in the house of the Lord.
@@andrewselbyphotography it isn't just used in Hinduism. It's been used pretty much everywhere. It might be a symbol used by all peoples of broadly Indo-European backgrounds from various spiritual traditions. Hindus, Zoarastrians, Christians, Buddhists, and so on have all used it throughout history. This is just from immediate recollection. There's probably way more to it than that. I think it broadly represents having divine favor.
Agreed with you guys here.. But I am confused by the why indulgence was removed on churches.. What is the symbolism of indulgence.
Its sttrange you say that as I dont like icing on my cake.
asceticism lol
The control of the symbolic order is the domain of the priestly castes and of churches. Take the Catholic Church for example. They have wielded strict control over the the symbolic order for a very long time. It cannot be denied that there is a social engineering aspect to mainstream religions (through symbolic manipulation), even if it is often well meaning and produces social order. The idea that Lucifer is the correct archetype to associate doesn't seem right, since he's more of a Prometheus than a Zeus.
The Catholic Church understands symbols and the difference between Good and Evil. That control is a manifestation of spiritual Truth even when (inevitably) applied to a material, temporal, flawed world.
What the fact. You are blasphemous. Catholic is not lucifirian you shyt.
@@remakeourlifeclips439 Wow dude. See, this is the kind of thing that keeps me (and many others) from going full religion. Calling people "heretics" and "blasphemers" is never not going to be cringe AF, and for good, historical reasons. And btw, I said the exact opposite of what you think I said. I said control of the symbolic order is not compatible with the luciferian archetype because it is the domain of orthodoxy, like the church.
@@djo-dji6018 I do have sympathy for that view, having grown up Catholic and having begun to learn about it in the last couple years. And the whole ***demic situation has me sympathetic to the view that people actually need and want to be lead by a well-meaning elite class, since they are going to follow authority anyway, for good or ill.
@@neththom999 The sheep were dipped and sheared for sure.
Vanity fair
God's pronouns are Us/Our.. its in Genesis..
Yes, that is in Genesis but also is the word He. "He" is used to describe God 7 times in Genesis chapter 1 alone.
Genesis 1:4 "God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness."
In Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Here, He is referring to himself as us/our, as The Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, 3 persons, one God) hence the plural.
Mankind describes us as a species, a separate creation from the animals, plants etc. as we see here in Genesis 1:27: "So God created mankind in His own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them."
@Olivia I know that I wasn't being too serious I was saying they got it wrong with they them lol take it easy.. i was just reading Genesis in my Orthodox Study Bible because it's Lent and we start Genesis and in the notes it literally says God's personal pronouns ar Us/Our because HE'S a Trinity!! that's why I said anything don't take it so seriously!
"If they eat also of the Tree of Life they will become like us (The Elohim)" Human go up == BAD.
The irony is that they screech did you just misgender me!!! As is it was murder refer to their often baptismal names as dead names.
But when it comes to how the Deity demands to be addressed ...
The stupidity/cupidity levels are off the charts
@@neththom999 Humans who believe random talking serpents and their dubious definitions of the value of an apple a day lack fidelity.
They confused their fall from grace for an elevation that was never going to happen. They were played.
Its funny to hear such a demonisation of Derrida. I mean, he was very consciuos of the modern thinking paradigm, that almost "ate" any possibility of speaking about any meaning of simbolic universe. Cmon. Whats the difference between the "mechanics" of Christ, Budha, Hitler, Communism, Capital? Wouldn't you more prefer some kind of emancipation?
Derrida was the epitome of dupers delight, watch any lecture at random with a body language expert. Read the signs, and then parse his chaos.
@@Blissblizzard I mean have you red the bible? Derrida is not even close to that dupe. I mean just think about a clown that is dupe enouth to declare himself a son of god.
@@jonasvaitiekunas2713 You're the biggest dupe with that edgelording braggadocio, and for what? A fleeting emotion? 😂😂😂I mean you went way beyond faith and hope to psychotic certainty.🙄
@@Blissblizzard 😆
Derrida is how we got *here* 🤔🥸🙄🤷🏼🤦🏼♂️😡
The conflation of Lucifer with Satan is what got you Christians into this mess in the first place. You eliminated the Trickster archetype from your religious mythology by saying that it was as evil as the Tyrant. This constricted peoples' ability to look for alternative solutions in spite of current solutions (the Luciferean drive: the pursuit of knowledge at the expense of certainty and safety) until that desire became so great it manifested as a political wing where it was once merely social: young peoples finding their way became a movement, not just a phase.
Then since you also equated them with Satan, 'the Left' had no recourse but to develop their own morals and ethics and pseudo-religious mythology because you refused to understand and integrate them, offering them instead accusations that they were evil. Which the worst of them have taken up as a challenge just to spite you.
This is why the libertarian ethos i.e. the Luciferean ethos was the last to arrive on the scene in America. But rather than warning of what would happen they warned of what did happen (communism/fascism) when the market i.e. the alternative solution pipeline was restricted. The conservative restriction of the market (for the sake of greed and power, let's be real here) left no recourse for the Left to have their ideas tested in the market and of those viable, integrated. This bottleneck only served to build up their social power until they became immensely popular and therefore politically powerful. Then they sought their alternative solutions without the guiding hand of conservative elders nor the harsh reality of markets and nature itself.
Hence the catastrophe.
Now the only thing the Right can do to defeat the Left is to release the pressure valve by freeing the market. The true cost and price (metaphorically and physically) of everything in our lives is hidden from us which makes wise decisions impossible and value indeterminable. This release will cause all sorts of turmoil in the market and especially socially. But it's the pain the Right has earned by virtue of trying to hold onto their imbalance of power. An imbalance of power they sought by restricting the Trickster and his drives.
In essence, by restricting Lucifer you only give more and more power to Satan. Basically: restricting change only fuels the desire for destruction. Which is where you find yourselves right now.
I almost follow you but got lost at how conservatives "no regulation!” overly controlled the market and how they can now 'release' it. It seems to me that governments have erected the choking restrictions on individuals and small business in collusion with crony capitalists - communists both foreign and domestic. (All communists are capitalists - they understand capital and want total control of the capital).
Idk, imo King David, especially before he was a king, is very much a trickster, but I do get where you are coming from
Just like you can't allow the margin to overtake the centre, you should beware of destroying it completely, as it has its own purpose in holding the whole picture together. The purpose of the trickster is to question things when they start falling apart. Indeed, by denying it, we essentially let it go rampart. We got stuck in our non-functional, often purely egotistical ways and chose willful blindness, which allowed Satanic ways to thrive. It's another Osiris-Seth kind of story.
I think this is just another consequence of the protestant reformation. The loudest voices calling the margin satanic are usually protestants. We have the trickster archetype in St. Christopher who is of the margin and goes to integrate the margin. But the removal of understanding the lives and stories of the saints by protestants has shot western Christianity in the foot.
Make sure you do all of those things in a balanced way: sleep, drink, eat, exercise physical body, have stable relationships, search and love. I didn't read anything after "you christians"
All symbols are good
Lucifer is (in at least one sense) a symbol
Therefore, Lucifer is (in at least one sense) good
You premise is wrong. Not all symbols are good.
@@djo-dji6018 I was just riffin' on the premise in the title of the video. To counterpoint myself, I think maybe bad symbols are good symbols in that they structure our understanding of evil and so afford us the opportunity to avoid it.
@@neththom999 When symbols are appropriated (like the swastika/ sauvastika). They are rendered null or negative, or being the sole property of others, and cannot be used in the positive or temporal sense any more as the default reading promulgated by the opposition, springs to mind, when that false aha! moment is triggered in the minds of the majority who rely on popular culture to lead them in all things
The symbol of the failure of pride is Lucifer, is a good symbol in the sense that it condenses the idea of arrogance pretty well. Everytime we say 'I could have done it better (speaking about reality) we are behaving luciferian.
@@Blissblizzard That does suck. Pretty soon there will be no symbols left. Enter: BROWN CROSSES ON WHITE DRYWALL. So inspiring..