When I was studying in Japan, I had a Chinese classmate who talked quite openly, even while among other Chinese students, about Chinese police brutality and how corrupt and unjust the Mainland government is. Bless him. I hope everything worked out and he doesn't have to go back.
The dark side of the police is kinda like the unspoken truth in the society. We all know and definitely say things about it off the records all the time.
Yes, correct police brutality exists in France. Random people and some peaceful protests were beaten by French police. Or what about the treat of people under the BJP government in India and their brutality towards protesters in Kashmir who didn’t agree with India’s takeover of a place and region in southern Kashmir back in August. Unfortunately, governments who only care about self interest and do what they can to stay in power. This is truth unfortunately with many governments around the world.
They do exist. However, I've come to find it's a different story when you or any non-Chinese criticize China in any way, then they get on the defensive.
@@Sharma-xw6ml Japan is a great place to visit as a tourist but not really a good place to live in. I learned this from podcast Trash Taste, which is hosted by 3 anime RUclipsrs who live in Japan and they're really honest about how it is living there.
I have a relative who came to the US for college. She’s that person in the letter. After four years, she left the US and decided that it wasn’t friendly enough to her. So she went back to China. My take is this: Mainlanders have not developed the social skills to interact with people of different cultures, background, and interest. Unless the commonality already exists (being Chinese, common language, like same food, etc) they rarely go out of the way to interact with different people. Unlike you, Winston, whose curiosity has taken you all over China, meeting different people and experiencing different cultures, curiosity does not appear to exist in Mainlanders. That’s why they read the same news, sit with the same people, and speak Chinese as soon as class is over. My parents spent over 35 years in US and they’re no different than the day they arrived. They never experienced America. Both choose to associate only with Chinese, read only Chinese news, watch Chinese shows, and eat Chinese food. I believe the suffering is partly self inflicted. if you have no curiosity and don’t even take advantage of the freedom afforded to you to read real news, educate your mind, experience life as it can be, then the suffering is a choice you make.
Mainlanders do not have curiosity. They wont talk to you as long as they see that you are black and have a different cultures. American Chinese are very good, social and friendly.
A lot of immigrants that come to the U.S. and don't integrate with the culture. My parents were from Germany and did their best to become part of the culture, but never completely fit in. I live in Chicago and we have large Mexican, Indian and Polish populations. Many of these immigrants can barely speak English. There are free over the air television channels in their home language.
I am a New Zealand born Chinese with Family links to the U.S, Australia and here going back to 1850's. Thank god my parents and the forbears left China. Anyway my brother decided to go to China being the first sibling to do so. He went back to Taishan village / Canton he met a family tree record keeper who is relation that ive never met but since died. Brother met a Chinese girl who was quite interested in forming a relationship with him to come back to N.Z for marriage etc. Anyway after a few months she pulled the plug on the idea as she could not face leaving China. The problem with Chinese they expect you to have a car, home and truckloads of money and buy crap like t.v's, jewlery and fancy clothing etc then expect to pay for her parents to migrate. I.m.o its the son or the daughter one is marrying not the rest of family. I find Chinese are fake and rude. 'Gin' is my family name Chen's and Yan are same but sub group relations so if i mention that my surname is Gin they would register us as related....Cheers Carl.
I live in China and most of my close friends are foreigners: basically anyone with good English skills as that is the only language I am proficient in. It's true that mainland Chinese are very insular and really no surprise given the system here and homogenous nature of the people. Many of the foreigners who live in China are too and spend most of their time with people who speak the same language as them fluently. Those who aren't usually have a love or fascination for the country. Most of the Chinese who go overseas don't have a love or fascination for where they go, they go for work or education: a bit like me.
Hell if thats the case then i really wonder why they left China?. Im Chinese with family links to N.Z, Aussie and U.S going back 1850's. I get called a White Chinaman. Its really strange how well have a lot of Chinese tourist coming here in our town and never do they go out of the way to speak to me or greet me. My Cantonese roots are fading too as Manderine is taking over.
I have met quit a few mainlanders in my city of Burlington, Vermont, New England USA and the majority of them were CCP brainwashed dorks. No social lives, no will to try anything new, no respect for people trying to befriend them. Except for one guy who was from the far northeastern area. He was a hardcore snow junkie, snowboarding, hiking, sledding etc. This guy was a polar bear. Anyway I asked him one time what he thought of the CCP and why he hadn't gone back. He said he would not got back until the revolution took off. He did his undergrad at UVM and was now studying for PhD in mech eng. He hated the CCP, and the CCP knew it. He was safe over here though. I asked what he would do after his thesis was accepted and his Visa would expire, he said 1 get a job in US, 2 go to canada and claim refugee status (canada is 40 miles away/60km away) and if that doesn't work, marry his Taiwanese buddy (NETHER ARE GAY LOL) So he could stay in the west. This guy said he was absolutely positive that the next revolution would occur within 20 years and he was just waiting for that to be able to go "home" and help re-educate his native countrymen. I admired the guy for his attitude and willingness to stand up.
Opposite for me. I had a lot of freedom, even in my teenage years, and my parents were not controlling at all. Yet I am unable to make friends in this disgusting modern world
When my Chinese girlfriend and I went to see Shen Yu, there was a Chinese reporter there who wanted to speak with us. I assumed it was because we were a mixed race couple. She refused, because she was afraid he was a CCP spy. I didn't understand at first, but I have learned she may very well be correct.
'Being a spy' does not necessarily mean a professional spy. In a totalitarian system everyone is required to be willing to report on anyone else if asked to by the authorities. In that sense everyone is a spy.
Shen Yu is banned in China, because it tells a version of Chinese history that hasn't be approved by the CCP. If someone made a play about British or American history, that play probably would be welcome in the country it was about and celebtrated if it was a quality play. The CCP only want their message spread, and anyone else's version is noncanon history.
You know that Shen Yu is the money-making venue for the Fa Lun Gong, a religious cult? I agree and can relate to everything that the guy has said about the mainlanders in the video but I will tell you Fa Lun Gong IS a cult, NOT a religious movement as touted by the west. Its leader is a total fraud. He changed his birth date just to coincide that of the Buddha to make himself to be revered by his followers. I personally know somebody who's the classmate of the leader and none of what the leader said about his experience of having met his "teacher" and being "enlightened" is true. He made all that s*** up. Just so you know. You have been warned.
I’m a born and raised mainlander from Beijing, and I’ve been living in the US for about 8 years now. I’ve been called worse names than banana or imperialist dogs by my fellow mainlanders, and I’ve been visited by the police while I was back there for my online postings and shit. Now that I have to go back (can’t afford to live here legally, and I don’t wanna live in America illegally cuz I love here too much to break the although senseless immigration laws), I can’t even imagine how my life would be. My analogy is, if you were born and raised in a prison, and live there for your entire life, it isn’t bad, you get use to it and it became your life. I, and other Chinese students had the privilege to be released from the prison and live freely in a free world, and now I have to go back to that prison. My years in the US taught me one important lesson, there is something more important than money, freedom. I’ll be spending my time teaching my fellow mainlanders about the world, helping them see what the CCP really is. If they arrest me, then they arrest me. They can jail me but they can’t make me not think freely. And lastly, you bet I’d be the first one to join any military or paramilitary force to fight the CCP.
I also immigrated from China to the States few years ago. I have to admitted I really enjoy my life in America and really proud of being American. China would never treat me as a human being, I feel so uncomfortable when I was living in China. Yes I do miss my hometown and miss the chinese food over there, but I value my rights and freedom more than anything else. God bless America. I am a real patriot in my new country lol
As a fellow American, I appreciate your patriotism, but it's very important not to let yourself become too enamored with it. I would rather live here in America than in China any day of the week, but America has many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as good as it could be. There are a number of other countries, frankly, that are actually quite better places to live than America. It doesn't need to be that way, but too much patriotism has a bad track record of blinding people to problems in our society that need to be resolved, and that tendency to ignore these problems in the name of espousing this perfect image of America holds us back from desperately needed progress. So, I'm glad you're here with us and making a better life for yourself in the US, and I'm glad you have a love for this country. But please remember to keep a broad perspective and acknowledge that America is deeply flawed, even though it's a better place to live than China. Because if a lot of these problems continue to not be addressed, we can easily become like another China.
@@Kira1Lawliet exactly, perfectly said, although its great to be patriotic remember like ever country its not perfect, but metophiricly and literaly its easier air to breath in the US.
@ilove bigbrother Yes. Both of those countries, and many more. Because America has worse debt crises AND worse free speech suppression crises (by Republicans especially) than either of those countries. Not to mention, those and many other countries have free and high-quality healthcare, free education, higher life expectancy, higher indices of happiness, more green energy, better urban infrastructure, and a littany of other benefits that many Americans like you are too stubborn and ignorant to want to adopt because you've drunk the right-wing kool-aid about how these things will somehow bankrupt us, even though us NOT doing those things is exactly what's costing us so much money currently.
I’m a mainlander who live in the US for almost ten years. I can confirm that what the letter says are mostly accurate. I have been through the same experience. Although I was no fan of the CCP back in China, I once became very nationalist and pro-CCP because of fear, frustration and isolation in my first few years oversea. As a fresh-off-the-boat international student, I was alone and vulnerable. I got no friend or families here in the US. And not every American was nice. I have encountered racists, although the encounters were occasional, but the experience was hurting. And even from non-racists, I felt isolated because of language barriers. And I had a hard time finding an internship because I was just an international student without a green card, which really made me feel frustrated. I think most Chinese international students have similar experience, and the CCP know how to use it for propaganda. They have propaganda outlets selling the narrative that the westerners are all racists deep inside and they don’t give a shit to the well-being of Chinese nationals, and only the Chinese can protect the Chinese. I once bought that narrative, until I travelled across the entire United States. I have met a lot of kind and friendly local people. Some of them offered me help at the time I need it the most. Many of them don’t have much experience with oversea Chinese, and thus have shown a great amount of curiosity and hospitality. I felt warmth from them, which gradually changed my mind. The CCP treats common Chinese people as shit, and countless number of non-Chinese out there can do a much better job. I encourage other oversea Chinese go outside of your cozy ethnic clique, meet and interact with the locals. Sure, there are good people and bad people. Just treat everyone else as your equals. Befriend those who are friendly and avoid those who aren’t. The world is full of diversity and possibilities, you don’t have to stick with what you were born with.
Isaac Dweck I understand what you meant. Statistically, there is disproportionate percentage of Mainlanders indulging themselves in the nationalist hysteria. It is not unreasonable for other people to think ALL mainlanders are like that. However, there are still quite amount of Chinese nationals like me who don’t buy the myth the CCP is selling. They are just silenced by peer pressure. Most of my friends back in China have turned on me, because I tried too hard ridiculing and deconstructing CCP’s narrative, and now I’m considered a “traitor” who forgot my root. Meanwhile, I’m still having trouble blending into American society. It feels awful hanging in between. So I can understand why some Chinese dissenters don’t want to take the risk and choose to keep their mouth shut.
@@jinxinliu2497 I feel you ! I can't stand the CCP either , many of my family members and friends were persecuted in China , till this day many of Chinese friends we still talk about the horror they went through , all I can say is I am so glad they are out of that country !
I live in a small town in lower Alabama, we have more Chinese restaurants than you would expect from the population here. There is a Chinese community here that has been here for 60+ years. They are very private, choosing to have their own private school, and other private organizations of leadership. In the last few years the younger generation has rebelled and begun to mix with the local population. The elders of the Chinese population are not happy about their grandchildren marriages to the local community.
My mom has never been back to China since her family left when she was a child. When asked if she wanted to go, she said, “why would I want to go there?” She probably witnessed starvation back when they were were poor farmers in the South.
My favorite was the dude on campus that started calling me all sorts of heinous stuff about being traitorous then I mentioned that I'm half Japanese. Gg mental boom
Lot of depressed international students at my university here in the Midwest. I talked to one girl who said Western men have been really mean to her. It's odd because I always felt like Chinese international students mostly do not want to make friends with Americans. I thought they saw us as beneath them, as a whole. Ive since realized this is not the case, but the culture barrier is huge and that many feel intimidated to speak English to Americans. I think we just conduct ourselves very differently, not that either is bad. This girl i talked to dated an ABC frat guy for 2 months before he said he was embarrased to introduce her to his friends. She's stuck on this guy 8! months later, having self-esteem issues, and just feels depressed in the winter here. It was pretty eye opening for me. I had no idea how many of these Chinese students are having romantic relationships for the first time and dealing with depression in a culture that doesnt really talk about mental health. Im happy to report watching your channel and knowing a bit about China has helped me relate somewhat to her, and she was excited I knew about the "wu mao" and other tidbits of Chinese culture. I talked to her about politics, something I didnt expect her to ask me about. She is getting counseling now btw, got her set up with the services at my school! I hope I can make more friends with international students in the future :).
The biblebelt can be difficult, even for white canadians. I can only salute your inclusiveness, respect, compassion, generosity... Being open to other cultures can only make you a better person and aware of aspects of humanity other simply ostrichize (oof, just made that one just for your amusement, an unlikable ostracizing ostrich verb, of sorts). I also know how ostracising getting "too" close to immigrants or simply different people can be in the USA, this also makes you a courageous person and a defensor of the highest USA ideals. You are a free spirit.
It's soo kind of you! I am a mainland international student in the UK and these problems are also quite common here. It's lucky to have a friend like you who can really pay attention to others cultures and try to understand her. Thank you so much!
My sympathy to you. Many older people are set in their ways and hard to change their minds. Some of the Chinese elders always feel their children are not Chinese enough. Just consider the possibilities of their own parents possibly have the same complaints about them.
I work for an International School in China. It is shocking how the Chinese don't want the school to be actually international. Western face but Chinese standards. When my students finally go abroad, they thought they were prepared, but China wouldn't let them learn about the truth about other cultures.
foreign students in Chinese university campus are widely hated in Chinese society, for their previllage provided by government. No basic academic requirement, no college fees, some even get salary,special accomodation or many other special treaties studying in our universities. thats the reason why we actually hate our universities to be international.
Of all students study abroad, only Chinese study are so political motivate and so well funded to try to spread influence of China. It seems Chinese Consulate Defector Chen Yonglin said is true, Chinese student study abroad need a stamp from China's embassy on theirs degree to make it valid in China.
This speaker really understands today’s China and is very accurate in his analysis. He has my 100% support. I am a Hongkonger and I want to let everybody know that the CCP is extremely dangerous .... an immediate threat to world peace.
dalbcf dalbcf Add oil buddy. I hope the immediate danger gets resolved peacefully and I wish you a better future. It’s sad to see the CCP cast such a horrible shadow over your beautiful city. Democracy delay no more Peace ✌️
It's ironic that the Chinese gov gives very severe penalty for smoking weed when ive met so many Chinese international students who smoke weed like their life depends on it.
2:21 here is something ironic, how treating minorities as one of their own considered to be ignorant is beyond my comprehension. Oh wait he's American, nevermind.
@@zqc8250 When you make no attempt to see from another's point of view and dismiss their humanity if they don't share your own beliefs and opinions that makes you ignorant. Also another example of ignorance, he is South African not American btw.
@@mysticonthehill That's simply not true. If you look over a map of PRC there are rather vast self-governed regions for minorities, with most of which remain undisturbed till this day. Some are under surveillance where radical islamism is involved. Now, what "attempts" to see from another's point of view is just irrelevant , as each niche holds different values, how 'bout just let them be themselves as long as the gateway remains open & welcome. If you are really making an attempt to understand the minorities, how about asking why the majority of native Americans do not celebrate Thanksgiving? Before they go extinct in America. PS: You are damn right about my ignorance towards this youtuber.
As a mainland Chinese who has lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years, I approve of this video. Although I don't share all of this person's experience, a lot of things mentioned in this letter resonances with me. What surprises me most is that most of my "peers" didn't like to experience new things despite being in a different country, many of them simply just want to have a degree and go home quickly. I often find it odd that many tend to think of appreciating other cultures as degrading the Chinese culture.
Interesting point. Have always found it funny living in Australia, which is very multi cultural, that Chinese people, from a generalised standpoint anyway, seem to only eat Chinese food. Maybe I'm just imagining that
It is because the system is built that way, keep the public stupid and illogical...never analyze information...this is not about the west even, China knows nothing about India and the middle East and Iran and turkey and Malaysia and Cambodia...they have no knowledge about religions or political systems or geography or languages....it is about keeping people very stupid...
@@TommoC123 They prefer Chinese food. Went on a bus tour in the US, about 90% where mainlanders. They would complain about every western meal served (meat too rare, too cooked, vegetables not cooked enough, how do you eat a whole potato, ice cream too cold). The half dozen times we went to a Chinese restaurant, they would complain it didn't taste like home, too westernized (true). About two nights into the trip one family reviled they had a suitcase of instant noodle bowls and ate that instead of the western meals that was included.
@@TommoC123 You're not. It takes time. When my wife first came to Australia, she had real problems changing the diet. Suddenly going right to meaty and high protein. Now eats just about everything. She is to Chinese food what I am to a roast or a sandwich. Our daughter will eat anything as long as it's meat and not spicy (Working on that last, but she's 6)
My parents immigrated to the US from mainland China in the 80s and have been US citizens for over 20 years. Even today, they only read Chinese news and 80% of their social circle is from mainland China, not to mention that they continue to cheer for China in the trade war dispute. Keep in mind they've lived in the US for over half of their lives! I basically grew up on those pro-CCP movies and TV shows usually set around WWII and Mao's rule which they've watched countless numbers of to this day. Despite all of this, I always found closer affinity to American and Western values than CCP values, having grown up in the US. In college and grad school, I hung out with some mainlanders from time to time and it was almost a game to see how long it would take for them to figure out that I'm not really one of them since I found most of them to be highly homogeneous with a very narrow range of personalities than Americans (including Chinese Americans.) Winston, this is one of the reasons I'm so drawn to your channel. Although I didn't agree with the CCP on many things, I always had a peculiar fascination with mainland China since I kinda discovered that I wasn't exactly like them in early adulthood but I could have become one of them had my parents not immigrated to the US (although I did retain some characteristics of mainlanders.) I feel most of the observations you have of mainlanders are pretty spot on even though a lot of them are offended whenever I point those out myself.
roguenoir Consider yourself lucky, I was surrounded by a bunch of people who are brainwashed by CCP propaganda. I was born in Malaysia and parents are not pro CCP but my mom start watch those CCP news and she was brainwashed and my relatives too. Some students from my school chinese who also support CCP. They share those propaganda by social media and some of the intex are scary.
@@Mische2k They probably enjoy the advantages of the society in the US, but they will never become part of this society. Otherwise they are free to do and think what they want and they aren't directly harmful. In the land were I am living social benefits are much higher and punishments are milder than in the US, this has the disadvantage that foreign people who don't give a sh*t about our society often try to steal money from the state and other people. Fortunately, the Chinese people living here do not do that kind of things.
I met a few main landers (both normal and ccp-ers) during my short stint in a japanesse language school before corona-chan forced me back to my country. The normal ones were quite fun to talk with. Sure, we had to use our very basic japanesse to communicate since neither of us could speak the other's language, but that did not hinder the fun times we had. The ccp ones were something else though. They acted like they owned the place. They slept during the lessons and even blatantly ignored the teacher's words. And these guys had the gal to apply for a more advance japanesse school when their nihonggo sucks more than mine. We even almost came to blows when the whole Tienanmen subject was brought up. Let's just say, it was hard not to hate the pro-ccpers when their actions do so much damage to their reputation.
Yeah , like the calendar just skipped 1989. To be fair to them though, there are people who will tell you the Jan 6 insurrection never happened... even though they watched it happen live . People believe what they want to believe.
@seanfaherty9010 Any change of opinion on this since all the new footage got released? Really seemed like they just let them in and gave them an unauthorized tour. The security essentially rolled over. It's on them imo.
A friend of mine had a funny/interesting conversation with a chinese student in her students dorm. He saw all these political stickers and statements everywhere. Heard people criticize the government and society all the time. People going protesting or being activists. My friend is very active politically. One evening, he asked her: "Why does your government allow you to be against them? Why are they making so much trouble for themselves? I don't get it. Why would a government be so stupid?" In the conversation that followed, it became clear that he had never encountered the thought the government representing the people or being legitimized by the people it ruled. For him, government, naturally, was an entity separate from the people it ruled and it is obviously driven by its interest in self preservation. It's like a gang or mafia family that leaves you alone as long as you don't challenge their rule or talk back. I think it was quite an eye opening perspective to hear, in order to understand how chinese society works.
My university has finally cut ties with the Confucius Institute, allowing me to be one of the first to follow a course specifically on Taiwan and its history.
Learn Chinese and Chinese culture in Taiwan, the only country using traditional Chinese as the official language. In Taiwan, Chinese customs (Taoist, culinary, ones etc.) are normally practiced, as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party, a group of atheists that have oppressed and eradicated religious groups. (But communists did so not because they're atheists, but because they want to rule out any possibility of self-organized gatherings, which may breed anti-CCP thoughts).
I can't understand why secret services don't crack down hard on these cripling CCP drones handicaping the development of students. They are "intellectual" terrorists.
I’m Australian and I have a few friends that are “Chinese” but make it very clear they are not, because they are from Hong Kong. It seems a big deal for them to differentiate between the two, and to educate us mere ignorant Aussies.
I’ve had friends who have said they are from Hong Kong too. And that they are not the same as Chinese. I tend to agree with this since Hong Kong has been colonized by Great Britain and Portugal. They were one of the worlds biggest trade ports and has a rich history of business which brings a lot of different cultures. Because of this Hong Kong culture is much more globalized and western compared to the rest of China. You see it in their dialect and food. Very sad what has happened to Hong Kong now. But we’ll always remember it for what it was.
I personally don't like ppl that don't acknowledge their own ethnicity. If the CCP was good, they would definitely scream they're Chinese on a daily basis. I personally think it's a bit pathetic, also because they're all gonna discriminated wether you see yourself as HK, TW, overseas Chinese. It's a very sad situation, in my opinion. You can criticize the CCP, but at the same time be proud of your Chinese culture, food, customs.
Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore Chinese hate being called Chinese. They call themselves Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Singaporean. They are much better than mainlanders and they really hate mainlanders.
Luther Dai How come I can never be Chinese? I am well versed in the Chinese culture and history plus have devoted much of my life to that country. I have a Chinese wife yet they don’t want me. Just because I’m ethnically European. That’s racist.
@@gusyates1839 if you could read 文言文，remember chinse poetry, understand 道德经 and art of war, I consider you chinese. At least your children will be chinese.
A lot of older mainlanders that come to western countries. Are, really rude. They expect other chinese in the west to speak fluent Mandarin. They, themselves, refuse to learn english. They, really are, an embarrassment, to Chinese. At least, try. That is why westerners have a bad impression. Communism itself is not Chinese. It is a foreign ideology absorbed by the CCP. Ancient China, worshipped a monotheistic God, called ShangTi. This is before Confucianism or Buddhism.
In my experience, mainlanders are often unaware of just how many Chinese diaspora there are outside China, and many have been living abroad for many generations. These diaspora are more assimilated into the country where they are at, than to "motherland" China. I am Chinese ethnically, but something like 5th generation diaspora. That is so far removed from mainland China, that I don't see any national / political / cultural / linguistic connection, except by blood only. But to the mainlanders, it doesn't matter. They expect all Chinese diaspora to be loyal to the motherland China. You are deemed a traitor if you "lose your roots". Even worse, if you don't speak mandarin, you are called a "banana"; yellow on the outside, white on the inside. That's one of the reasons I don't like to associate with mainlander Chinese. Such expectations is ridiculous. It's not like I had a choice where I was born or how I was educated. I may look Chinese on the outside, but my nationality, culture and language is that of the country I was born in and grew up in. It's as simple as that. The equivalent (though not as severe) is to ask a white American why they are not loyal to the "homeland" Britain. Do you see just how ridiculous that expectation is?
@@bangscutter I think this comes from what I call "cultural insecurity" and intolerance of other cultures. The Chinese have assimilated 56 different ethnicities in mainland China and is never concerned about these ethnicities "losing their roots" but somehow as soon as they see the Chinese being integrated into the western culture led by different races and ethnicities, they get all antsy.
Exactly. How tf are we supposed to act that way when we have literally no connection to the “mother land.” Since we were born, the only home we could even call was the country we were born in. Our loyalties can’t even be divided...
She was studying abroad in Japan and spoke perfect English, she was telling me all kinds of stuff about China, until I asked about the CCP and the conversation died out.
Honestly it’s a tough topic for all mainland Chinese Americans, regardless of language barrier. Opposing the ccp probably means betraying their families back in China and their mother country, while supporting the ccp opposes many core fundamental beliefs of America, where they live.
"Suffer?" Seriously? I'm ABC, and tried making friends with OBC, but kept getting called a "banana" and all sorts of nasty stuff...despite being raised with precommunist Chinese values, martial arts, culinary heritage, etc. I think this "suffering" is self-inflicted. We want to help our fellow human beings, but we're not obligated to help assholes.
At my uni they're generally very anti social even when you try and befriend them. One mainlanders I'm friends with even told me they're not cool with the ABC.
@@tenko5541 By the same token, ABC's aren't cool with OBC's, either (once they find out the other party is a deluded asshole on the same level as Donald Trump and Xi Jinping.)
I'll be honest, when I was studying English in Oxford I wasn't surprised that people tried to interact more with other students that spoke the same language at all, but the Chinese... The Chinese were different, they literally only interacted with other Chinese people, when I tried to be nice, friendly towards them, they stood like deers caught in the headlights each single time, even when I had a roommate from Hong Kong, which Is supposed to be a more liberal country, he barely talked to me or the other rommate who was from France, I became friends with this guy pretty easily, but this Chinese guy never talked with us, played videogames with us, only played online games (shouting to the microphone while voice chatting with his mates) ate chinese instant soup in the room leaving an awful smell, Im not a Xenophobic guy, neither a Racist (I'm Chilean/SouthAmerican) but I ain't messing with guys from mainland China again if that behaviour is normal to them
@Donkey Bellerin true, but this roommate I had was from Hong Kong, from what I know, Hong Kong is (or was now) supposed to be a bit more liberal and western-like but the guy was Nasty and did gross things as well.
@Donkey Bellerin Well, regardless of the fact that he ate his fookin' instant noodles in our room leaving an awful smell every single night and didn't even bother to clean his bed/desk and it was all full of rubbish, I remember that one day I came in a bit drunk after going to a pub with some mates, and in the moment that I closed the door, the guy went out of the bathroom, with all his pants peed, his shirt full of food stains and noodles hanging from his mouth, he looked directly at my face and made a strange noise between all the noodles stuck in his mouth that I suppose was something like a "hello mate", jeez, It was so disgusting that in less that 2 secs I was already outside of the room trying not to vomit and sitting on one of the Campus backyards asking myself "why does life hate me this much"
My university does it’s best to try to enable Chinese students to experience local life. One of the best ideas is weekly arranged meetings where Chinese students meet volunteer local people to practice their spoken English. In the process there is genuine cultural experience
Please provide Chinese Subtitles. I'm a Black American that lives in China for 16 years. I have a Chinese wife with Taiwanese passport and a 12 year old daughter. I would love for them to hear your message.I'm a big supporter of yours! 🙏👍👍👍
I have been identified as non Chinese since I started not agreeing with the CPC. However I have Chinese blood and I love my culture, history and people.
Lots of people have Chinese blood, just like all those who are half Chinese and their parent or grandparent who fled China during Great Famine and Cultural Revolution. Some of these half Chinese tried to get back to the root and guess what? They are not Chinese enough and lots of Chinese mainland said they are "BIASED" about Mao. Duh, if you have your entire family, neighbors and more killed during Mao's Era, you can expect them, their children and grandchildren will hate Mao.
@Bob Jones ..You have a good sense of history and human weakness. Every psychopath "knows " Whats best for the "people". Only when confronted by a more powerful force does it end.Sad commentary on the human race...
Kinda a random thought. Since I was a child, I thought that a leadership should live in a small house in the middle of nowhere, with all the communication needs taken care of. In a sense, it would insure that the leadership, would have the least opportunity of corruption.
@@claymore609 ..John lennon..Imagine....Then of course we had the artist Hitler in a cement bunker.Was he corrupt..? I cant even answer my own question...What I believe is that power corrupts humans and the best hope is a constitution that limits human power. ....Cheers.!
Respect. China is too amazing to be kept in a cave and fed lies by self serving psychos. I like Chinese people. Was raised after my dad died by a half Chinese guy who was so fucked up by the past.. but I learned to love the (real) culture. I also learned about the grey culture of men in Mao uniforms with blank faces and suspicious minds...who watched from their embassy. I loved the old people who lived among us as friends, and contributed so much to society. Those places live in my memory, the red paper, colorful silk, and religious art, incense, mahjong, and family. Respect.
@@Penultimo-o3v This is a propaganda outlet that indoctrinated it viewers by keep telling us how bad China really is. So I doubt he'll give you an answer.
they may have a spike on certain fields of studies. Some of my friends indeed speak poor English yet they're absolutely legendary on certain subjects. I know someone who failed a basic ESL class yet took several senior-level real analysis classes in her freshman year and nailed them.
tbh i just graduated from high school and i was surprised that some of my classmates even got in any english speaking university, not just because they dont speak good english, they are barely good at any subject
All the Chinese kids at my college seem to only interact with the other Chinese kids. I'm fine with them being here, but it seems like they don't really try too hard to interact with non-Chinese students.
@@snkhuong Chinese or Chinese Americans? Cuz Chinese Americans are def more open to interacting with other people. Also as someone interested in Korean culture, Koreans tend to be the same. Just stick with mostly other Koreans.
I loved when they called me banana (it happened only once only in China) because it was so stressful explaining every time that I do not speak Chinese lol. For a lot of Chinese is very alien seeing a Chinese looking guy who does not speak mandarin. I want to learn Chinese but I born in Italy, so I’m proud of being a banana.
Few years ago (before covid) there were many Chinese exchange students at my university here in Netherlands. But they didn’t engaged with other students at all, they were constantly together and I barely heard them speaking english. I also heard that they were really struggling in group assignments and civilized discussions about controversial topics. I guess that their environment didn’t give them the opportunity to develop their social skills.
About three years ago, we observed a young lady from China who was lost. Turns out she was going to start at the university where I taught and she got off the wrong stop. We gave her a ride, moved her into the dorm gave her our number. We gave her one of our bikes. My wife took her shopping. We invited to our holidays. She got her degree, found a job and a spouse. Says she loves the US. Like to think we contributed to warm relationship to the US.
I am a Malaysian born Chinese who identifies as a Malaysian and my co-worker who is a mainlander harasses me every day. We've had shouting matches and all the behaviour described here is completely accurate. He even frequently says to his own Australian born Chinese friend that he will never be a true Chinese - reminding him this "fact" every week. This attitude occupies their brain 24/7.
Got a friend who has a Chinese wife. I have talked to her extensively. She has been here 20 years. She prefers the U.S. over China except for the food. She hated the Chinese propaganda, how the Cultural Revolution held people back, how as a woman she was discriminated against and she hated especially the gossip. She said people would gossip you to death.
Can you blame them, though? When 'accredited' news channels only provide propaganda and propagandized versions of the news, that only leaves word-of-mouth, aka: gossip. Sadly, with the useful stuff comes the petty stuff.
I’m a Hong konger studying in the U.K and I get along well with the broader school community. I once voiced out my views about the Chinese government to some brits, the mainland circle overheard and spread it everywhere. They took my criticisms as criticisms against the chinese nation as a whole and was seen as someone rejecting my nationality, even other Hong kongers, fearing altercations with the mainland Chinese students also sided against me. Since then I have stuck around with fellow Hong kongers and people from the west which in my opinion are more easy going. I’m still worried that people think I am some wannabe white guy. It’s quite a shame too, I know a good amount of mainland Chinese people in Hong Kong who are actually quite friendly, easy going people. Funnily enough I feel less safe to say what I want to say when I am in the UK.
it,s self preservation , if they dont protest against taiwan or any other person against mainland chinese they will be fuckt over by their own goverment
@Kana Jingly Ive always avoided hanging around with ppl from the mainland abroad for this reason, hell even with HKers you feel like you are always being judged.
The idea of China's inexorable unending rise to wealth and power is a myth, IMO. China's xenophobia and egotistical assumption of superiority will prevent it from achieving the power and influence it desires. 1. Its attitudes leads its leaders to bully other nations. It has bullied all its neighbors. This is currently causing a decrease in local trade, or a decrease in its growth. 2. China's claims to the SCS is putting it on a collision coarse with Japan, Vietnam, US, India, Thailand, and even the Philippines (eventually). How can a mercantile trade oriented economy thrive by making enemies of its neighbors?? It cannot. China's export based economy will suffer.
I'm Chinese born in China and currently a U.S citizen. Sometimes I have difficulty interacting with mainlanders due to growing up in a different environment.
@NoPain NoGain I went to school in China from pre School to 2nd grade. All I remembered was school teachers praising Deng Xiaoping and Mao Ze Dong. They even showed anti-japanese WW2 movie at school. I didn't experience the full education system in China
@NoPain NoGain I've dated many mainland Chinese women over the years and I can tell you the majority are brainwashed, far more than 50%! They are like sheep, and refuse to accept truths about Falungong people being killed for their organs or Tiananmen ect. If you point these things out to them, even when you are mature and clam about it, the end result is denial and offense, and they usually start attacking western governments in a futile attempt to even the score. No government is perfect and also no country is perfect, but as far as i'm aware, western countries don't butcher tens of thousands of their own citizens and hack their bodies to piece to make money. As far as I'm aware we do have freedom of press in the west (unlike China), and somehow I think if this stuff was going on in the west I think it would have gotten out by no lol. By the way did anyone catch the 70th anniversary of the communist party? What's with the need to show off your military, is it morally righteous to display weapons of mass destruction? Many countries have these weapons, not everyone shows them off like third grade Nazis. What's your point? That your hell bent on world domination? I prefer my heart inside my chest thanks. Also notice how Xi Jinping held his hand up for virtually the whole ceremony? Like his simulation the Nazi solute but masking it by carefully blending it with a static wave gesture. And of course his soldiers doing the goosestep. Regression at it's finest!
@NoPain NoGain I always find it hard to swallow the word "brainwash". It's tough to explain. I often see conservatives in Western countries talk about preserving culture. What is culture really but a collective behavior of mass? You see, I don't like CCP. I am very disappointed that I didn't get to see the information they kept from me for so long. However, I'm not against social programs in general. I think it's hard to provide competition in some areas, so the gov't can provide healthy alternatives as long as they don't remove the private sector in the process. I live in the U.S. right now btw. As soon as I show any kind tency toward socialism (even though it wasn't my intention) people are quick to accuse me of being a communist. I often say this free speech doesn't mean intelligence speech. I think the biggest problem is that many Chinese are so used to the state providing most of the services, the newfound freedom often frightens them. Like I explained earlier, a lot of westerners are also quick to label us. Making it very difficult to adjust. In the video, it was also explained why some Chinese decided to stay in own community. I do understand why we kind of deserve some or maybe all of the negative images we got. I often ask people this: why do you really want? Vent your anger on us or hope China to change. If former, it's very straightforward, just write to your representatives to cut off all of former ties with China. Otherwise, many of us should be given the chance to learn and grow. Think about it, if preaching China help to solve any of these problems, this video wouldn't have been made this first time.
@@dayal2293 my grandparents told me they've seen Japanese troops shooting and stabbing civilians, it was very horrifying to witness the situation. I've been called a dog and traitor by Chinese nationalists for not hating Japanese. Because the people that were involved in massacre are no longer alive today, and Japan has changed a lot.
As someone who’s ethically Chinese from Singapore. I totally could relate to the blurred view of mainlanders between ethnicity and nationality. A mainland Chinese student did once exclaim to me in frustration “why do Singaporeans dislike mainlanders?! We are all chinese!!”.
Filipino Chinese will often have nationalistic sentiments and refuse to identify as anything other than Filipino. They are proud of Chinese heritage but to have allegiance with mainland China is stupid
Marsh Wetland on too many occasions they show that they are rude and uncouth.Public defecation and urination are perfectly acceptable.They talk loudly on buses. Not to mention spitting on sidewalks forcefully.
Yep the West is buying more and more into the same tactics used by authoritarians. Populism works, Trump got into office by being rude and loud, and people gravitated towards it.
Libtards Suck you are so deeply indoctrinated you are blind to your hypocrisy. Populism in America is endemic and non-partisan. Trump appeals to the lowest common denominator through brash rhetoric and simple black and white thinking. It is this exact style of populism that got Thatcher into office and kept the CCP in power. Offensive and rude language is a power play in CCP China, and is easily seen through their hard power propaganda. You’d know that if you stepped outside your bubble. Biden is just as populist, he appeals to Trump haters and social justice warriors through the same rhetoric as trump, it is just less socially conservative.
I'm seeing this around me every day in Vancouver, Canada. As an immigrant from South Africa, I can relate somewhat, but the culture shock for Chinese people from the mainland must be be 100x worse. I sometimes feel really bad for them, because a lot of the ones I work with are actually really nice people. There are obviously some exceptions to this. Some of them are really mean and arrogant, and even openly racist towards me. But IME those are small minority. But I agree what you're saying about cliques/cultural groups. This is especially bad in Canada. Ironically, our PM keeps talking about "diversity" and "equality" but he is actually encouraging division more than anything.
yeaaa there's alot of people from china in my program and they kinda... made this closed off clique.. itd be fun if we could all chat together and have fun as a class
Not many people can overcome cultural shock, even the ones you might consider "successful" in life. Chinese are so much worse in this regard, because it is so much easier to stay within their 'known' and well defined/protected circles. But this is not limited to Chinese, or in your case, South African, it evens include the local whites here in Canada. I see the similar 'unenlightened' traits shared by both sides when they refuse to step over culture bounds. I believe our societal structure right now doesn't really allow people to experience different cultures in their life time, and there are many things lost with those missing opportunities, and are quite unique to immigrants second generation of having the privilege of growing up with two or more. Maybe we could solve this by distributing experiences across a neural interface network in the future, but right now humanity doesn't have enough resources to distribute this "experience" to everyone.
I kind of get it. I grew up in Germany with several nationalities in my middle and high school classes, especially from Africa. Some of them became my friends and I started to feel very openminded. However as I started to study and life in the Netherlands, a culture that couldn't be closer to the German culture, I experienced a lot of symptoms of culture shock. Alienation, Confusion about small things and this can very easily turn into arrogance. It takes some time to get used to another culture. For me it actually kind of started on the first day in the Netherlands as a supermarket refused to take my 1 and 2 cent coins as payment, you feel kind of stupid for not knowing such a simple thing, but its easier to say: no, they are stupid, silly Dutch people. Of course, the difference between the west and China is even much more extreme. Btw. I am back in Germany now and I hate 1 and 2 cent coins, they are actually kind of useless.
Im from an immigrant/minority majority city in ontario. There are so many Mainlanders and canadian born. But they (mainlanders) keep to themselves. I relate more to my Indian counterparts than my so called kin. Fobs is all they are
man I relate so much to the the fake "diversity" in Canada. When I landed in BC for a one year university exchange I expected it to be super white (it was Kelowna) but the city was super diverse actually. Even more diverse than where I grew up. Everyone was super friendly but the norm was to stick to your race and people didn't mix that much. At home my friends are from all races but canadian students seemed to have less diversity than me among their friends.
I'm Russian and my hometown located really close to China, we're only separated by a small river (Amur) so we had lots of experience with Chinese before the pandemic. Tourists and exchange students were always quite open to us. Especially exchange students, they were really interested in our culture and lifestyle, told us that they liked how carefree we can be xd. Before watching this documentary I would never imagine a mainlander having huge problems with communication, that was an interesting insight, thank you.
Finally, someone who understands us! I knew you would be able to do a lot of good after leaving China behind. It's such a niche topic: people in China haven't a clue what it's like outside of China, and people outside of China don't have a clue what it's like in China. But you've crossed over into China, and crossed over out of China again. I think it also helps that you have experienced the racial tensions of South Africa. This is a very different cup of tea, though. There is no outright hatred, or even fear and paranoia. Instead, it is a form of systematised misunderstanding, where you have two societies, two different sets of rules and worldviews. The monolithic world view of China, and the pluralistic worldview of the West. Both have minority groups who complain of marginalisation. China tries to Sinicise all ethnic minority groups that can be Sinicised, and the ones that stick out like a sore thumb are treated, as far as I know, the way Athenians treat resident metics. But in the West, an attempt at a colour blind society is made, with differing levels of success. The result is a certain degree of loyalty from local and foreign residents, who can also become incorporated into the local citizenry. Furthermore, the indigenous populations can also find a niche, but usually, it is not quite ideal. But they can control assets in a way the CCP would never allow any potential splittist groups, or even any potentially disloyal Chinese, no matter how competent, to operate, let alone, own. Control in China is absolute. Loyalty is always considered insufficient. Stress is never ending. The atmosphere is stifling. Free speech is non existent. Every statement anyone makes is political. And is treated accordingly. A single word can be the difference between life and death. The outside world can seem like a horror of a nightmares, filled with discord, confusion, conflicting opinions, insubordination, chaos, senseless arguments, inefficiencies, self sabotage, and all sorts of incomprehensible sets of behaviour which make no logical sense. Still, it beats living a life of trying to hold my breath until the day I die. That's not living.
There is no outright hatred, or even fear and paranoia. Derar God are you insane? Look up 'necklacing' . . . I have not seen such an egregiously foolish statement for a long time, it seems you know practically nothing of the subject - a whole pile of carefully considered big words is meaningless if rife with error
@@PandemoniumMeltDown Thank you! But you know, it's only because of digital technology and the widespread nature of English use that we can even have this conversation to begin with! It's a pity things have to be so rough, after we've just been over 2 World Wars and a Cold War, we just don't catch a break, do we?
I studied for 4 years at a university in the US where chinese foreign students made up over 10% of the student body. I did not know a single person my entire time there that made friends with a single one of the students from China. They refused to socialize with non-chinese people at all. It was super strange
At 4 year uni in North Carolina I lived in the same dorm as all all of the foreign exchange students. Lived, had classes, shared common rooms and kitchens with them. Had the exact same experience you had. They kept completely to themselves, and never welcomed my friendly interactions or anyone elses
Really all I want is for the mainlanders coming here to get educated about what the CCP has actually done in the past, and continues to do, rather than letting them keep controlling the narrative. It's awful that even when Chinese folks are here in the states *and* using local, unblocked internet connections and devices that they still seem to want to stay ignorant and unquestioning. I love and appreciate the freedom I have to be able to both question and criticize both my own government and the rest of the governments in the world, and I couldn't imagine a world without, or at the very least in fear of, those abilities.
Your narrative of mainland students keeping on the CCP narrative is completely false. Actually, the vast majority of these students study overseas because they want to enjoy more freedom and other cultures, otherwise they wouldn't leave would they? Would be more efficient to study at Beijing University and work for the CCP on the side. You are right about not having the freedom of critiquing your own government, it's a scary thought. But don't think it's just Chinese, president Nixon for example sued Washington Post for leaking documents that proved that the government knew for a very long time that the Vietnam war couldn't be won, but they still send soldiers to die. Eventually the Chinese citizens will have to rebel themselves and stand up for their rights, nobody is going to give it to them.
@Maya Yeah, you can't eat cow in India and you can't marry outside your caste. Muslim Indians have even more laws. South Korea has compulsory military service. I also think democracy is flawed, every system has it flaws. I don't worry about the Chinese though, they're called model minorities for a reason, and that applies to most countries in this world. I heard the youth in China is listening to hiphop now, won't be long before they jump on the "power to the people" and "fight the system" bandwagon.
@Maya Again, you claim things that are based on nothing. You made claims about India and South Korea but you clearly had no idea. Now you keep making claims about such and such, again loosely based on your perception. If you knew how much China has changed over the past 40 years, you would know better than to create this the West vs China or China vs the West narrative. Please stop spouting your opinion online as "facts", it's called disinformation and I think it should be a crime considering it harms the validity of free speech..
I also feel that most students going abroad to study, must be in quite a comfortable economic situation back home to be able to afford going to a different coutry to study. This would mean they are privilleged and comfortable in their way of life. This gives them less incentive to rebel and speak out against ccp or how things run back home.
The only difference is that your version of the Borg would be going around bombing and destroying planets, using money they don't have. The other just want to help build what's left through hard work.
Borg has their Pros and Cons. At least Borgs don't know the difference between being a Fanatic or Heretic, or being a white Supremist or A Black, etc It may be dull, but far less troublesome and chaotic
When i started going to university a few years ago, i didn't have any friends on campus. I tried to make new friends, and i can tell you Chinese students dont want to make any new non Chinese friends. So i made quite a few Vietnamese, Japanese, Latino, and plenty other cultures and races from around the world. I tell them about what it was like growing up in America, and they tell me about their home countries, and i help them adjust to the new and different culture America holds compared to their home countries. And i help them with their English for free also just because i enjoy helping people and making new friends. Its been a lot of fun meeting new people and making new friendships. But yeah i have never seen any Chinese students hang out with someone outside their group, and i rarely ever hear them use English, even when talking about the professors lectures. They only use English when the absolutely have to. I find it rather strange, why travel to another country to completely avoid everything about the culture.They are only there to stick their heads in textbooks.
Chinese girls are awfully easy if you play tour cards right though. The only problem is to separate them from the group but once peer pressure is removed they're more than willing to interact.
It's the same in Russian universities. There are a lot of Chinese students in Moscow. They all hang out together. They don't speak much Russian either.
experienced this as well many many times. Friendly greet met with apathy. I’ve met every type of people under the sun. Dutch are funny but a bit stern. Japanese were sweet. Australians were cheeky. Hong kongers were fun, Americans were enthusiastic. Colombians were chill... I mean pretty much all groups are really friendly. Don’t want to sound like I’m painting a broad brush but... it’s my experience with 90% of mainland Chinese. The 10% they all spoke English and lived in either Hong Kong or were raised abroad. Why the can’t the young mainland Chinese coming over to study just be more open to ‘others’?? I don’t dislike them I just.. want them to not look at me like I’m below them or something.. so that I can actually befriend them haha is that hard to ask
There's a certain cachet that comes with a foreign degree. That's all they're there for, the cloistered ones--a fancy foreign degree for their CV. They couldn't care less about your country, it's people, and especially it's culture. And why should they? They paid their tuition, so it's not like they owe you anything. And despite the fact you're beneath them, they're letting you use them as a tick towards a DEI quota. Not to worry, though...in 20 years, you'll know your place.
Your comments and analysis are so True. I am a music teacher, one if my teenage students is mainland chinese. They have been having music lessons for the last two years (remotely during the lockdown period). During this time i have noticed a lack of impetus during lessons. This came to a head a couple of weeks back, i was just enquiring after their mental wellness. I asked "you must be looking forward to getting back to family and friends"? The flood gates opened... They were very worried about the safety of their family in China. During the time in the west they had been exposed to different political and cultural values, many of these were completely at odds with the CCP. They realised that there were so many lies and bad treatment of ethnic groups and religions ( thanks to channels like your own) and they couldn't discuss or even mention this to their host family who spoke very little English, this was the same situation at their place of Education. What they feared most was being reported and deemed as disloyal to the party AND... what trouble it could cause for their family, this fear increased after watching videos about the 're-education centres). They want stay in the west and live here, but have concerns about visas, parents and the overarching authority of the CCP
Sky dude I’m talking about mainlanders not Singaporeans. I have been in Singapore for 1.5 years and my main friend group is almost all Singaporeans anyways. So yeah I get along really well with Singaporean Chinese people and some Indonesians.
Mainland Chinese are very different from outlying ethnic chinese(HK, Singapore, Malaysia, etc...) Went to college with a fairly wide demographic. Speech class was pretty much the mainlanders praising China regardless of the topic, whereas the other ethnicities just were like yeah I'm chinese, just a part of who I am. It got old pretty quick. My sociology teacher encouraged his class to hold discussions using cultural differences once a week. The Mainlanders wouldnt even answer questions, after a while the rest of the class just stopped asking questions. Not only that but they were very disrespectful to any ethnic non-mainland chinese. It wasn't their English, they were all fairly fluent. They sat there and asked our several middle eastern and african students extremely racist and prejudiced questions. When we explained why those questions might upset someone they just shrugged and didn't change their actions. Several African students actually transferred classes bc they were tired of the mainlanders choosing to continue due to make racist, stereotypical, and bigoted comments. Not saying all mainlanders are like this, (in this case it was 3 out 4/5 ppl in speech class and about the same in the sociology class, all different ppl) met some lovely students from the mainland but that type of close- minded behavior is fairly typical. It's fine if you simply are unaware or ignorant but choosing to continue to act like after being politely educated...says a lot to me 🤷♀️
@@jingyang123456789 Chinese is a ethnicity, not a culture. Many American born Chinese are as white as white people and are more culturally identify more with them than with a mainlander chinese, for example. So Malay Chinese may have more cultural identity with Indonesians than with mainlanders, if their culture of Malaysia and Indonesia is that close.
My friend, Mainland China is China but not with Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. Not Mainland China is Hong Kong, Taiwan and Hong Kong Because Macau and Hong Kong are autonomous regions and Taiwan is under ROC (so they are like their own China.... china2.0) [ i got these info from google] Malaysia, Singapore is their own country. They dont have ties with China unless if its import export stuff. Eventhough they have Ethnic Chineses does not mean their under China. Everything I wrote here is from GOOGLE so pls dont be angry at me
You are as wrong as one can be. There is only one race that uses to build nations and empires not based on fear. All the other races on our planet without even one exception in the history of mankind have always used fear as their foundation of governance and they have been quite successful. What happens to fear-based-governing nations if they are liberated from fear even for the shortest time you can see on the example of the Russian revolution, the Chinese Civil War and dozens of African coups over the centuries, after a short time of anarchy they always switch back to autocracy, despotism and dictatorship based on fear and terror. All the best to you from Russia.
I had a classmate in my Japanese class in the US from mainland China and we didn't discuss politics very much, something I try to do as much as possible for everyone I meet, but somehow the issue of freedom of speech came up. And she seemed to take it as a given that I was against free speech on the grounds that bad news would cause people to become upset etc. As an American this blew my mind. I kind of thought that since she was studying abroad in the US that she would adjust her way of thinking but she really didn't.
This is what I've run into with Japan; bad news is seen as a threat to public peace of mind, when I think the opposite it true: if bad things are happening, I what to be able to trust that the media will tell me about it and report it truthfully. I find ignorance unsettling rather than bliss. I understand situations such as wartime where it's important to maintain moral and dampen the potential for security leaks, but on the whole I feel more secure in an environment where everything is laid out on the table and information if free. Loneliness is a blessing, silence is golden, but privacy, in the sense that people don't trust each other and have to obsessively create boundaries, is a pathology.
Can a low ranking poor mainland Chinese Citizen legally emigrate from China in 2019? Let's say they've never been a troublemaker but they just want to live somewhere else for the rest of their life.
as a migrant in Australia (from HK), I am also seeing similar things here as well, where the HK migrants would form their own little social circles and minimise any interaction with the local population (but yet complains about not being accepted by the locals), will only watch TV shows/movies and read newspapers from home, and everytime something doesn't go their way, whether it is a parking ticket or they didn't get that promotion which they feel they deserved, they blame it on racism/discrimination, over time, their bitterness grew and eventually gravitated towards the CCP propaganda and starts identifying themselves as a "Chinese", which is ironic, as most of them has migrated away from HK to escape the CCP.
As an Australian, we know the value of people skills. If they are not getting promoted, its because they are not getting to know people outside of their circle. Book smarts/knowing the job is only part of what is required for a promotion. Tell them to get to know others, make themselves known by their peers. As a business owner, i'm not going to promote someone just because they are smart or know the job, they have gotta know the people around them, it helps with keeping the peace and enables a fluid workplace. The best leaders are usually the people with the best social skills. it helps knowing the job, but if they can't work with other people, there is no point in promoting them. Get to know Aussies, they are some of the nicest people on the planet. My family moved here 2 generations ago, right after WW2, they were German. Being German and moving here right after WW2, they were treated poorly, but my family made the effort to learn the Australian ways, got to know the people around them and became successful. It didn't take long, my pop was treated as an Aussie within the first few years of living here and became an electrical engineer and was team leader at Eraring Power station within 5 years of moving to Australia. Chinese havn't had a major war with Australians, they don't have the same issues my Pop had, the only thing holding them back is their own paranoia and restricting themselves to their own comfort zone.
@@lifelostlusthoohoohah9286 THIS: "i know chinese too well, they are from an insecure country and also most of them are spoiled like giant toddler" [clap clap clap clap clap] And hats off to you for being unbiased and knowing that it's not about race or nationality but about the people. Respect.
@Nick Bennett um, not to pick on you, but you try to offer an anecdote about how you have lived in HK and China and never met people like those mentioned previously and I think that is entirely silly and a meaningless anecdote. Of course people from Hong Kong would not display a persecuted complex in their home nations where they are surrounded by people like them. That does not diminish that EVERYONE who moves to a new country will naturally gravitate towards those more like them or from "home", especially if they start to feel alienated or persecuted in their new home. It is why Australian, Kiwis and even South Africans cans can often be found together when overseas. Why Americans and Canadians have a tendency to group together. Why Japanese, Indians, Russians, Israelis, Somalis, tend to gravitate to other Japanese, Indian, Russian, Israeli, Somali immigrants/ex-pats. FFS, it is why even in Australia, Kiwi immigrants tend to gravitate to each other and in New Zealand, South African immigrants tend to gravitate to each other.
Hong Kong people are the first "Chinese" immigrants because for decades the CCP didn't let Chinese people leave the country. So when you want to know who created all the China Towns, it's actually the "free" and "democratic" immigrants from Hong Kong haha... No hate towards HK people though, I have met some very nice people from there.
Can confirm the 'cliques' thing. In my dormitories, during the summer holidays a whole block would be used by Chinese students every year (summer courses I think). I'm sure they were all very nice, but they never once said hello or tried to make conversation (and their English was quite good, they sometimes had phone calls in English). When we (the students that had re-exams) would organise a little BBQ or get together outside if the weather was nice, they would ignore us or sit in their own little groups. I always thought that to be a shame, but to each their own I guess ^^ Also I totally get feeling more comfortable with friends or people of your own culture, but still, thought it a bit of a shame that most of them never even tried. :) (never could get used to them never using a handkerchief though xD)
Hey Winston, this might be beside the topic of the video but I realized you're totally right about Chinese nationalism when I read Xinhua news yesterday, 39 Chinese nationals were suspected to have died on a lorry in England. Tragic story, but many of the top liked comments on the state news app were saying how great it would be if the dead were Hong Kong "abandoned youths/traitors". How disgusting is that?
The odd thing is that the Chinese government rather blames the UK for neglecting those Chinese instead of asking themselves why people would hop into an ice truck just to get out of the country.
Winston, I have so much respect for how you and C-Milk have shifted your channels in the last year. You guys have become much more open about what the CCP does and the repression it stands for, without ever being unfair or feeling like you’ve massively changed. It’s quite brave of you, considering your family ties to China, and I don’t know if I’d have the courage to do the same if I was in your shoes. Thank you.
Now that they don't live in china anymore, there is no much fear of being disapeared. Though I still fear for winston since he's from South Africa and from what I heard China is quite close with them... that and the fact that many people with white skin are getting the triple kay kay kay treatment over there.
What he is doing is all about clicks. Because people in the west like to see the negative side of china which Winston can generate more Clicks of his videos if he make more videos bashing ccp. But in reality, they are not true.
Fyjmvggh yes they are actually true. If you watch his videos you’ll see he talks both about good and bad things. The truth is the system that CCP has, the negative far outweighs the positive. I’ve met many mainlanders who love coming into the US and they say exactly what Winston says. So ya you’re hella wrong.
@Winnie The Pooh Calm down, man. This is the type of comments they will fish to show in the mainland. Well... with your nick I don't know if they would show it.
Yes. His content seems very biassed and interesting. And he seems really truthful. People I know from China, living here usually recognize his stories when I link them.
always appreciate how you try to give insight into the mentality of mainlanders and how this affects their actions. it's easy to judge someone else according to your own biases and mentality, however this only results in further polarisation.
I am a mainlander living in New Zealand for 8years now. I just discovered your channel and have been watching your videos these days. I agree with nearly all of opinions of yours about China and you have broadened my mind and I have also learned lots of new English words and expressions from you. Thank you so much. I am sad and feel ashamed that we are not brave enough to stand out to make a change in China. Watching a beautiful country and their people going down to a dead end is just heartbreaking.
I am a Malay (native race) from Singapore. It is not just SG Chinese, even Malaysian Chinese are anti Mainland Chinese. And also the SG/MY Indians towards India Indians.
@@potatoeskimos they are. Especially Indonesians in Malaysia. Their exsistence is tolerated, but you will not see them being invited to social gstherings, weddings etc etc. Bruneians not so much because you dont see them much outside of their kingdom
In my college they were some of the rudest, antisocial, racist people there. I also worked as a handyman for a landlord to get me through college and never in my life have I seen as much filth and comple disregard as at a Chinese students home.
As American born Chinese I really appreciate your videos and view points. I’ve always wondered about China and my parents viewpoints now I understand them more.
I'm South African-born Chinese. My grand parents came to South Africa in 1920 so my parents are also South African-borm. I'm a proud South African and proud of my Chinese culture. But because of my looks I still am seen as a foreigner by some South Africans of all colours. But I love their reactions when I speak Afrikaans. Lol. It really helps break the ice. I can't even speak Chinese. My mom used to surprise people when she spoke Zulu, Shangaan or Fanigolo. But she could speak Cantonese. English is what we speak at home.
@@chrismacphail7041 The Chinese who serve CCP are mean spirited and not our friends. One Time's response in Chinese translates to, "that's what you're big ugly white ass face," which is a very rude thing to say to a professional Western man who helped China giving them 20 years of business expertise while teaching them a vast valuable knowledge base. I guess Chinese/American relations are becoming a bit too rocky now? Please never go over there again on business...
As a Russo-chinse from the Russian far east/outer manchuria, can relate to many of these. I found myself being having a hard time in American education system, I did not understand America and my peers were being very cruel. This would eventually lead me to question everything I was told in America and Russia. And eventually led me to a political ideology and individual identity that firs in with neither world. I am local in no land. Coming out as ancom, celebrating lunar new year(something not done by my family), and encouraging others especially mainlanders to question their current and former life has really helped me claim a real identity.
"Some mainlanders will also try to make friends with other ethnic Chinese..." You know, it never dawned on me until today listening to this, but in my experience, no. In my time at university, I've realized that the other Asians I've spoken with are usually Taiwanese, Burmese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Malaysian, and Japanese. Of course, I've spoken to mainlanders when the situation called for it, but they are usually in their detached groups and I don't recall ever having a serious conversation with one. This wasn't by design, it just never happened. Interesting.
I have had similar experiences. I think it's because there are so many of them that they can just get by being insular. I was a Singaporean living in Sweden (not too many of us) and god, seeing a Thai person was like meeting family. But the kids from China never felt that way.
As a Taiwanese , they often want to show you around as their “compatriot” friend. But they don’t want you to say anything from Taiwan, otherwise they get offended. No thanks, I’m not your dog.
I studied at an International Journalism school in the UK and all the Chinese students were really friendly and mixed with everyone of every nationality. Maybe they were just an unusually gregarious group.They didn't really like criticism of the CCP though.
I remember jokingly telling a Chinese nationalist student in the UK that China stole Hong Kong from the British and he insisted I apologise. Lol. I was completely oblivious
I live in the student area next to McGill university and I witness that every day. The Mainland Chinese students stick together and don't mingle, even though many are genuinely curious of the "strange" land they are living in. They, along with the whole of China, have so much to gain learning about different cultures. They also have so much to give to those that want to learn about China. Sad :(
I am in NJ, USA and yes the Chinese students usually stay in groups of other Chinese students which is so sad. It would be interesting to talk to these people and get more insight on them.
Never being "one of them" as a foreigner is a reality in all of Asia. Even in Singapore, the most westernized of all Asian countries, where almost everyone speaks English and at least half of everything there has a Western name, you can be a tax-paying resident or citizen for years or even decades, but if you're black or white or have any other outwardly foreign quality, it's always going to be, "no sir, where are you REALLY from?"
Being a chinese born and raised in Germany i can confidently say that the exact same thing happens to me every time i meet new people. whenever i introduce myself as german they ask „No where are your parents from?“
I disagree with becoming "American". In Canada, we instead grow to appreciate other's cultures without trying to convert people to the "Canadian" culture.
@@yme3267 Canada is a pretty young country and honestly probably doesn't have a strong identity in terms of culture. But we value peace and multiculturalism nowadays rather than the melting pot that the States is. Forcing everyone to buy into the empty "American dream"? Now that's sad.
I lived in China for many years and learned how to speak Chinese. Now I am a teacher in the United States. I have one student from Fujian, she is very socially isolated. Her biggest help was that I along with two other teachers can speak Mandarin Chinese and there was a help to her. But her life is not all that easy here in New York
When I was growing up in the 1990s, most Overseas Chinese that I knew were okay with being called just "Chinese." But in the last decade or two, it has taken a dramatic turn. "Chinese" is now practically an insult. A part of this is due to Overseas Chinese reacting to attempts by the CCP to capture their identity, but also a shift in the sorts of Chinese people that you encounter the most. The Tiananmen generation that formed the late 80s diaspora actually had a lot in common with Taiwanese and Hong Kongese people. But you won't find many people with sympathy (or empathy) for obnoxious Chinese tourists and young, spoiled Chinese brats driving around town in Lambos with Chinese flags painted on the hood. (No joke, there are at least two people in my vicinity with that paint job.)
@@pablojosechavezbotto7689 I was in Taipei in 2018. I met and talked with the locals and they spoke English very well and quite friendly. I love Taiwan!
Just go there and make up your mind. You'll always win with an international experience, just stay away from politics or any tabou subject in whatever culture you want to settle in.
I recently had a somewhat contentious conversation with a friend in China over the Hong Kong protests. He felt it was caused by the housing shortage and the disappointment with the government over handling of that issue, and that it had nothing to do with the CCP. While I acknowledged the housing shortages in HK, I couldn't reconcile that with the fact that the extradition bill triggered the protests, and few to none of the protesters bring up the housing shortage when asked why they're protesting. I thought it was a conversation about the facts on the ground in HK, and to him it seemed more to do with Western bias against China and how I couldn't understand the reality as I was a foreigner. I don't particularly see how I couldn't tell the difference as a foreigner between a social issue and a justice issue, but underlying the whole conversation seemed to be an intent to deflect the protests as having anything to do with mainland China. As much as I like my friend, I don't like how he argued. He insisted that all the bias was on my side, and any opinion that agreed with his was unbiased (even if it would fail the criteria he applied to my sources). On any other subject, I'd normally expect him to be fairly open. It's sad that mainland Chinese coming to our countries don't feel more opportunity to integrate and find out what we're really about. Chinese people born here are fabulously able to integrate and mingle with everyone else.
I'd very be interested to know if you continued asking why he thinks so many HK people are biased against mainland China (openly), he would resort to meandering around it without addressing any of the problems of mainland Chinese society. I might presume then that it is a matter of pride (and association?). Of course you could really test the values of such a person, but people generally would not react well to their integrity being challenged. But, not having enough introspection and investigating perspectives of the other shoe, one will generally blame everything else for thinking about it the wrong way.
@@TheGaraiden I think he intimated that they were all brainwashed by ex-CIA outfits like NED; that there was foreign money stirring up trouble against China in HK, and that was the only reason. To that, I suggested it would be hard with the amount of money the NED invested in HK to motivate the numbers that showed up for the anti-extradition bill protests, which some believe reached in excess of a million. I suggested that instead it'd be easier with the media control to convince mainland Chinese of the opposite. At that point, there was not much more to be gained by discussion. If you're willing to prefer conspiracy theories over more simpler explanations emanating from the protesters themselves, there's probably not much chance of meeting in the middle. The irony is from the start he insisted I consider both sides (which I was trying to do), but it didn't seem he was interested in what the protesters had to say. I really don't know how one can argue motives without referencing the protesters themselves. I felt this video touched on this a bit, as perhaps the majority of Chinese are used to the Han perspective and only the Han perspective. Nothing ever forces them to consider the validity of other perspectives. On the other hand, perhaps the cultural focus on "face" and "money" means that my friend can't understand such interest in what is essentially a Justice issue? I'm wondering if the cultural focus on "face" and "money" has a hand in that?
@@LancerDL He's just parroting what he's read on WeChat etc. That stuff probably taps into the years of indoctrination about others wanting to undermine and slice China up which has its own historical validity (which makes it even more contentious). Chinese by default are proud of the fact that they were united. Most probably never entertain the alternative as it'd be akin to infringing on the entire civilisation's sovereignty which is millennia worth of embedded psyche.
The housing issue is definitely a factor among many in their discontent. The uber wealthy are not among the HK protestors. Also the main reason the valuations are so high is the same reason home prices have grown in many places around the globe that are popular with mainland Chinese. . . (Vancouver, Sydney, San Fran .. etc. . . ) Nouveau Riche Chinese mainlanders buy up foreign properties for investment/money laudering/escape plan/get family out of China etc. . So they already have a clear resentment of nationalist mainland Chinese and the housing issue is just another thing that adds to their resentment.
im Singaporean chinese , when i lived in Shanghai, a taxi driver asked where i am from , i said im from Singapore, he asked me if i am 中国人（zhong guo ren ,prc citizen) , i said no, im 华人(hua ren chinese descendant) , he said, oh then you're a Zhong guo ren, its the same! i smiled and sensed a kind of belonging.
I started studying in England from when I was 15 with GCSEs. Despite all my efforts, I had a really difficult time trying to fit in with my year group. I also found it extremely difficult to balance the social life between hanging out with other Chinese students and British students of my yr group. There were constant peer pressure of being judged as 'banana man' from spending too much time with British students and being disliked & distanced by other British students from spending too much time with Chinese students. Even after 5 years, i can only chitchat with a British uni student at best, on rare occasions become real friends with them.
This letter was so enlightening. It affirmed many notions that I had suspected but never heard directly coming from a mainlander living overseas. There are a few selected ones who can see past the mist and think freely such as this writer. I didn't realize that even if you do think freely, want to break away from the CCP control and live a normal life that it was THIS hard. HK and Taiwanese immigrants to Western countries tend to be much more adapted and assimilated with the local culture. I think the main barriers preventing mainlanders from doing the same is the omnipresent fog of control of the CCP, even if they are thousands of kilometers away, that hangs over their communities. They are never truly free even though they leave China.
Two years ago when I was a student, there was a forest fire close to the university and all the students were evacuated as a precaution. The university made accommodations for all the students to stay at a community center nearby. When we got to the community center, I didn't see any of the Chinese students anymore. A few days later we returned to campus and I asked one of the Chinese guys who was my classmate where they went. He said the embassy came asap and got them all in order to keep them safe. The Chinese kept to themselves, maybe because of the language barrier, but they seemed really nice in the small interactions I had with them. It just felt weird seeing them removed from the chance of extra interactions with people.
Why of course they need to be kept like sheeps within the shielding of the Motherland when outside of the Motherland. You don’t want them to learn the way of the West and go home to spread the new ideology that would be very dangerous
You should listen to interview from Chinese Consulate Defector Chen Yonglin because China's Embassies provide many things to Chinese student along with watching over them. Chinese student REQUIRE a seal/stamp on their degree from China's Embassies to make their degrees valid in China. Not to mention China's embassies provide food, transportation, funding and even lawyers for Chinese student regarding their political activities to spread theirs CCP's influence in whatever Universities they are in. That's why there are many news about China's Embassies protest Taiwan's food celebration on certain University or protest against a Tibetian being Student President and such.
@cutezOr Clearly, the Chinese were "removed" from the other students so their minds would not become "polluted" by non-CCP thoughts. Weird, but true and Mainlanders studying abroad are closely monitored to ensure their actions are consistent with the thoughts of Winnie Xi and company.
Not for nothing but I think this has to do more with communistic ideas of government provisions for citizens. The embassy is just seen as a extension of Government for citizens to use even outside of the country. As scummy as the CCP is, it's communistic ideals is meant to provide for the citizens..... and trust me I hate the CCP.
dantheman1998 , it has been years since I ate Chinese take away food. I am allergic to the mono sodium glutamate in their food, which artificially makes anything taste good, but is not good for you. Recently I asked a China man in his take-away if there is anything there which does NOT have msg. He looked at me with a frown. He pretended to understand no English. In every town in U.K. the Chinese take away industry is enormous. Each take away will suck thousands of pounds each week from the economy , as customers binge on sugar and mono sodium glutamate.
This makes me wanna learn Mandarin, I feel as those speaking their language (I guess as a white boy Australian haha) is far more impactful in demonstrating the benefits of diversity and reducing isolation
Learn Chinese and Chinese culture in Taiwan, the only country using traditional Chinese as the official language. In Taiwan, Chinese customs (Taoist, culinary, ones etc.) are normally practiced, as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party, a group of atheists that have oppressed and eradicated religious groups. (But communists did so not because they're atheists, but because they want to rule out any possibility of self-organized gatherings, which may breed anti-CCP thoughts).
We had a couple of mainland china kids come to our school in Hawaii. They seemed friendly and actually were but tended to keep to themselves. Now I'm in Micronesia and I've had Chinese teachers and friends. They're a pretty nice lot though I must say the larger Chinese community tends to keep to themselves or those of us who have studied in China.
@@shamusson If you ask any of these immigrants, not many would profess that they are anti-education, anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, anti-healthcare, etc., fascists. Because they're not. They just don't fully understand the American context. I forgot what this thread was even about, but it's quite funny to somehow establish a connection between Asian culture and American conservatism.
Completely nailed it! I've lived in Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan for a total of 14 years. Wife is Taiwanese. Agree with every single thing you cover here. Bravo!
Ironically, Winston had never interested with Chinese culture when he was in China. He was keeping his western life style. And hang out with white guys. His Chinese is still very bad. If he critise Chinese for not interacting with other cultures, please he do it himself to show how it works.
@@fyjmvggh5409 Sounds like he needs to marry one and have a kid to really get in deep. What else are you looking for, specifically? Also, by the standards of native speakers, very few Chinese have good English. The difference is that native English speakers are used to having people speak English as a second language. I mean, it's understandable, etc, but it's very clearly not native. And this is for people who'd started learning English as children.
When I was studying in Japan, I had a Chinese classmate who talked quite openly, even while among other Chinese students, about Chinese police brutality and how corrupt and unjust the Mainland government is. Bless him. I hope everything worked out and he doesn't have to go back.
The dark side of the police is kinda like the unspoken truth in the society. We all know and definitely say things about it off the records all the time.
RA DA Not based on the original comment alone tho, but good looking out
police brutality, corruption and unjust government isn’t exclusive to communist party of china
it’s hardly shocking
Yes, correct police brutality exists in France. Random people and some peaceful protests were beaten by French police. Or what about the treat of people under the BJP government in India and their brutality towards protesters in Kashmir who didn’t agree with India’s takeover of a place and region in southern Kashmir back in August. Unfortunately, governments who only care about self interest and do what they can to stay in power. This is truth unfortunately with many governments around the world.
They do exist. However, I've come to find it's a different story when you or any non-Chinese criticize China in any way, then they get on the defensive.
It's ironic how China's economy is so globalized, yet their people are so isolated. They make the Japanese look extremely extroverted.
That's done on purpose
Same birds of the feathers
Japan is a nice country but it's no where near perfect
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Japan is a great place to visit as a tourist but not really a good place to live in. I learned this from podcast Trash Taste, which is hosted by 3 anime RUclipsrs who live in Japan and they're really honest about how it is living there.
What an insightful remark. 👍
I have a relative who came to the US for college. She’s that person in the letter. After four years, she left the US and decided that it wasn’t friendly enough to her. So she went back to China. My take is this: Mainlanders have not developed the social skills to interact with people of different cultures, background, and interest. Unless the commonality already exists (being Chinese, common language, like same food, etc) they rarely go out of the way to interact with different people. Unlike you, Winston, whose curiosity has taken you all over China, meeting different people and experiencing different cultures, curiosity does not appear to exist in Mainlanders. That’s why they read the same news, sit with the same people, and speak Chinese as soon as class is over.
My parents spent over 35 years in US and they’re no different than the day they arrived. They never experienced America. Both choose to associate only with Chinese, read only Chinese news, watch Chinese shows, and eat Chinese food. I believe the suffering is partly self inflicted. if you have no curiosity and don’t even take advantage of the freedom afforded to you to read real news, educate your mind, experience life as it can be, then the suffering is a choice you make.
Mainlanders do not have curiosity. They wont talk to you as long as they see that you are black and have a different cultures. American Chinese are very good, social and friendly.
A lot of immigrants that come to the U.S. and don't integrate with the culture. My parents were from Germany and did their best to become part of the culture, but never completely fit in. I live in Chicago and we have large Mexican, Indian and Polish populations. Many of these immigrants can barely speak English. There are free over the air television channels in their home language.
I am a New Zealand born Chinese with Family links to the U.S, Australia and here going back to 1850's. Thank god my parents and the forbears left China.
Anyway my brother decided to go to China being the first sibling to do so. He went back to Taishan village / Canton he met a family tree record keeper who is relation that ive never met but since died. Brother met a Chinese girl who was quite interested in forming a relationship with him to come back to N.Z for marriage etc. Anyway after a few months she pulled the plug on the idea as she could not face leaving China. The problem with Chinese they expect you to have a car, home and truckloads of money and buy crap like t.v's, jewlery and fancy clothing etc then expect to pay for her parents to migrate. I.m.o its the son or the daughter one is marrying not the rest of family.
I find Chinese are fake and rude. 'Gin' is my family name Chen's and Yan are same but sub group relations so if i mention that my surname is Gin they would register us as related....Cheers Carl.
I live in China and most of my close friends are foreigners: basically anyone with good English skills as that is the only language I am proficient in. It's true that mainland Chinese are very insular and really no surprise given the system here and homogenous nature of the people. Many of the foreigners who live in China are too and spend most of their time with people who speak the same language as them fluently. Those who aren't usually have a love or fascination for the country. Most of the Chinese who go overseas don't have a love or fascination for where they go, they go for work or education: a bit like me.
Hell if thats the case then i really wonder why they left China?. Im Chinese with family links to N.Z, Aussie and U.S going back 1850's. I get called a White Chinaman. Its really strange how well have a lot of Chinese tourist coming here in our town and never do they go out of the way to speak to me or greet me. My Cantonese roots are fading too as Manderine is taking over.
I have met quit a few mainlanders in my city of Burlington, Vermont, New England USA and the majority of them were CCP brainwashed dorks. No social lives, no will to try anything new, no respect for people trying to befriend them. Except for one guy who was from the far northeastern area. He was a hardcore snow junkie, snowboarding, hiking, sledding etc. This guy was a polar bear. Anyway I asked him one time what he thought of the CCP and why he hadn't gone back. He said he would not got back until the revolution took off. He did his undergrad at UVM and was now studying for PhD in mech eng. He hated the CCP, and the CCP knew it. He was safe over here though. I asked what he would do after his thesis was accepted and his Visa would expire, he said 1 get a job in US, 2 go to canada and claim refugee status (canada is 40 miles away/60km away) and if that doesn't work, marry his Taiwanese buddy (NETHER ARE GAY LOL) So he could stay in the west. This guy said he was absolutely positive that the next revolution would occur within 20 years and he was just waiting for that to be able to go "home" and help re-educate his native countrymen. I admired the guy for his attitude and willingness to stand up.
If the US doesn't keep him we Canadians would take him.
Seems like a good guy.
Omg I wanna meet this guy now, what an intriguing person 😂
May the 🇹🇼 come home-and may he help!
Revolutions don't happen when people run away sorry to say
Kids with over-controlling parents usually aren’t able to make friends outside.
bruh
Yep, I've experienced this 🤦🏽♀️
Giggitee O'Yeah So you’re poor as hell, huh?
Opposite for me. I had a lot of freedom, even in my teenage years, and my parents were not controlling at all. Yet I am unable to make friends in this disgusting modern world
if you grow balls, you move out LOL
When my Chinese girlfriend and I went to see Shen Yu, there was a Chinese reporter there who wanted to speak with us. I assumed it was because we were a mixed race couple. She refused, because she was afraid he was a CCP spy. I didn't understand at first, but I have learned she may very well be correct.
'Being a spy' does not necessarily mean a professional spy. In a totalitarian system everyone is required to be willing to report on anyone else if asked to by the authorities. In that sense everyone is a spy.
@@adam13weishaupt Its true.
Shen Yu is banned in China, because it tells a version of Chinese history that hasn't be approved by the CCP. If someone made a play about British or American history, that play probably would be welcome in the country it was about and celebtrated if it was a quality play. The CCP only want their message spread, and anyone else's version is noncanon history.
adam13weishaupt by law, every mainland Chinese citizens expect to work ccp , if not there will be a consequences.
You know that Shen Yu is the money-making venue for the Fa Lun Gong, a religious cult? I agree and can relate to everything that the guy has said about the mainlanders in the video but I will tell you Fa Lun Gong IS a cult, NOT a religious movement as touted by the west. Its leader is a total fraud. He changed his birth date just to coincide that of the Buddha to make himself to be revered by his followers. I personally know somebody who's the classmate of the leader and none of what the leader said about his experience of having met his "teacher" and being "enlightened" is true. He made all that s*** up. Just so you know. You have been warned.
I’m a born and raised mainlander from Beijing, and I’ve been living in the US for about 8 years now. I’ve been called worse names than banana or imperialist dogs by my fellow mainlanders, and I’ve been visited by the police while I was back there for my online postings and shit. Now that I have to go back (can’t afford to live here legally, and I don’t wanna live in America illegally cuz I love here too much to break the although senseless immigration laws), I can’t even imagine how my life would be. My analogy is, if you were born and raised in a prison, and live there for your entire life, it isn’t bad, you get use to it and it became your life. I, and other Chinese students had the privilege to be released from the prison and live freely in a free world, and now I have to go back to that prison. My years in the US taught me one important lesson, there is something more important than money, freedom. I’ll be spending my time teaching my fellow mainlanders about the world, helping them see what the CCP really is. If they arrest me, then they arrest me. They can jail me but they can’t make me not think freely. And lastly, you bet I’d be the first one to join any military or paramilitary force to fight the CCP.
Good luck! I hope everything turn out fine
Si_Vis_Pacem Para_Bellum then you are a true American
And that was the last message we heard from him
You know that you can apply for political asylum right?
Deep respect for you
I also immigrated from China to the States few years ago. I have to admitted I really enjoy my life in America and really proud of being American. China would never treat me as a human being, I feel so uncomfortable when I was living in China. Yes I do miss my hometown and miss the chinese food over there, but I value my rights and freedom more than anything else. God bless America. I am a real patriot in my new country lol
Well done and congratulations on becoming an American citizen. 你太棒了!
As a fellow American, I appreciate your patriotism, but it's very important not to let yourself become too enamored with it. I would rather live here in America than in China any day of the week, but America has many, MANY flaws that keep it from being as good as it could be. There are a number of other countries, frankly, that are actually quite better places to live than America. It doesn't need to be that way, but too much patriotism has a bad track record of blinding people to problems in our society that need to be resolved, and that tendency to ignore these problems in the name of espousing this perfect image of America holds us back from desperately needed progress.
So, I'm glad you're here with us and making a better life for yourself in the US, and I'm glad you have a love for this country. But please remember to keep a broad perspective and acknowledge that America is deeply flawed, even though it's a better place to live than China. Because if a lot of these problems continue to not be addressed, we can easily become like another China.
@@Kira1Lawliet exactly, perfectly said, although its great to be patriotic remember like ever country its not perfect, but metophiricly and literaly its easier air to breath in the US.
@ilove bigbrother Yes. Both of those countries, and many more. Because America has worse debt crises AND worse free speech suppression crises (by Republicans especially) than either of those countries. Not to mention, those and many other countries have free and high-quality healthcare, free education, higher life expectancy, higher indices of happiness, more green energy, better urban infrastructure, and a littany of other benefits that many Americans like you are too stubborn and ignorant to want to adopt because you've drunk the right-wing kool-aid about how these things will somehow bankrupt us, even though us NOT doing those things is exactly what's costing us so much money currently.
You betrayed not your country but your government.
I’m a mainlander who live in the US for almost ten years. I can confirm that what the letter says are mostly accurate. I have been through the same experience. Although I was no fan of the CCP back in China, I once became very nationalist and pro-CCP because of fear, frustration and isolation in my first few years oversea. As a fresh-off-the-boat international student, I was alone and vulnerable. I got no friend or families here in the US. And not every American was nice. I have encountered racists, although the encounters were occasional, but the experience was hurting. And even from non-racists, I felt isolated because of language barriers. And I had a hard time finding an internship because I was just an international student without a green card, which really made me feel frustrated. I think most Chinese international students have similar experience, and the CCP know how to use it for propaganda. They have propaganda outlets selling the narrative that the westerners are all racists deep inside and they don’t give a shit to the well-being of Chinese nationals, and only the Chinese can protect the Chinese. I once bought that narrative, until I travelled across the entire United States. I have met a lot of kind and friendly local people. Some of them offered me help at the time I need it the most. Many of them don’t have much experience with oversea Chinese, and thus have shown a great amount of curiosity and hospitality. I felt warmth from them, which gradually changed my mind. The CCP treats common Chinese people as shit, and countless number of non-Chinese out there can do a much better job. I encourage other oversea Chinese go outside of your cozy ethnic clique, meet and interact with the locals. Sure, there are good people and bad people. Just treat everyone else as your equals. Befriend those who are friendly and avoid those who aren’t. The world is full of diversity and possibilities, you don’t have to stick with what you were born with.
Isaac Dweck I understand what you meant. Statistically, there is disproportionate percentage of Mainlanders indulging themselves in the nationalist hysteria. It is not unreasonable for other people to think ALL mainlanders are like that. However, there are still quite amount of Chinese nationals like me who don’t buy the myth the CCP is selling. They are just silenced by peer pressure. Most of my friends back in China have turned on me, because I tried too hard ridiculing and deconstructing CCP’s narrative, and now I’m considered a “traitor” who forgot my root. Meanwhile, I’m still having trouble blending into American society. It feels awful hanging in between. So I can understand why some Chinese dissenters don’t want to take the risk and choose to keep their mouth shut.
@@jinxinliu2497 I feel you ! I can't stand the CCP either , many of my family members and friends were persecuted in China , till this day many of Chinese friends we still talk about the horror they went through , all I can say is I am so glad they are out of that country !
If chinese flee to US because their government is harassing them, they're just doind the same thing that those folks on Mayflower did.
sss sss 不知道你从哪里看出来他说只有自己有“独立思考能力”。
Wish you will not suffer discrimination in US :) Enjoy the gun fire
I live in a small town in lower Alabama, we have more Chinese restaurants than you would expect from the population here.
There is a Chinese community here that has been here for 60+ years.
They are very private, choosing to have their own private school, and other private organizations of leadership.
In the last few years the younger generation has rebelled and begun to mix with the local population.
The elders of the Chinese population are not happy about their grandchildren marriages to the local community.
I don't know what they were expecting, especially when you live in a completely foreign land where you are a minority
@@westmarkvratya2805 lol
@Trumpenstein it is when she lays sideways.
@Trumpenstein Why do you COMPLETELY understand it? People are free to travel and mingle anywhere in America.
Lol yeah compare Lil Tay to any Mainland Student and you'll see how growing up in a different culture can change a person completely
To quote a Chinese friend: "There's a reason why I live here, not there."
The only reason is that he can make more money in the west as the western countries are more developed than China. Nothing else!
My mom has never been back to China since her family left when she was a child. When asked if she wanted to go, she said, “why would I want to go there?” She probably witnessed starvation back when they were were poor farmers in the South.
@magadon ruferto why does race have ANYTHING to do wiht the OP comment?
@magadon ruferto or because CCP China is a totalitarian shithole and life is ridiculously limited there
@@fyjmvggh5409 And enjoy more personal freedom. And a better lifestyle. Basically have a better future.
My favorite was the dude on campus that started calling me all sorts of heinous stuff about being traitorous then I mentioned that I'm half Japanese. Gg mental boom
What and why was yellinh at you?
Countries don't matter very much, people need to get over it.
Good for you.
@@azia5051 what do you mean
@liam Anderson only matters if you're American or not. If you're gonna be like that, I will too.
Lot of depressed international students at my university here in the Midwest. I talked to one girl who said Western men have been really mean to her. It's odd because I always felt like Chinese international students mostly do not want to make friends with Americans. I thought they saw us as beneath them, as a whole. Ive since realized this is not the case, but the culture barrier is huge and that many feel intimidated to speak English to Americans. I think we just conduct ourselves very differently, not that either is bad.
This girl i talked to dated an ABC frat guy for 2 months before he said he was embarrased to introduce her to his friends. She's stuck on this guy 8! months later, having self-esteem issues, and just feels depressed in the winter here. It was pretty eye opening for me. I had no idea how many of these Chinese students are having romantic relationships for the first time and dealing with depression in a culture that doesnt really talk about mental health. Im happy to report watching your channel and knowing a bit about China has helped me relate somewhat to her, and she was excited I knew about the "wu mao" and other tidbits of Chinese culture. I talked to her about politics, something I didnt expect her to ask me about. She is getting counseling now btw, got her set up with the services at my school! I hope I can make more friends with international students in the future :).
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The biblebelt can be difficult, even for white canadians. I can only salute your inclusiveness, respect, compassion, generosity... Being open to other cultures can only make you a better person and aware of aspects of humanity other simply ostrichize (oof, just made that one just for your amusement, an unlikable ostracizing ostrich verb, of sorts). I also know how ostracising getting "too" close to immigrants or simply different people can be in the USA, this also makes you a courageous person and a defensor of the highest USA ideals. You are a free spirit.
It's soo kind of you! I am a mainland international student in the UK and these problems are also quite common here. It's lucky to have a friend like you who can really pay attention to others cultures and try to understand her. Thank you so much!
My sympathy to you. Many older people are set in their ways and hard to change their minds. Some of the Chinese elders always feel their children are not Chinese enough. Just consider the possibilities of their own parents possibly have the same complaints about them.
I work for an International School in China. It is shocking how the Chinese don't want the school to be actually international. Western face but Chinese standards. When my students finally go abroad, they thought they were prepared, but China wouldn't let them learn about the truth about other cultures.
What truth?
@@mzaphod64 Broaden your mind and go and see for yourself, dude.
foreign students in Chinese university campus are widely hated in Chinese society, for their previllage provided by government. No basic academic requirement, no college fees, some even get salary,special accomodation or many other special treaties studying in our universities. thats the reason why we actually hate our universities to be international.
Of all students study abroad, only Chinese study are so political motivate and so well funded to try to spread influence of China. It seems Chinese Consulate Defector Chen Yonglin said is true, Chinese student study abroad need a stamp from China's embassy on theirs degree to make it valid in China.
@@orwellunicorn5858 If I could get paid to go to college I'd go no matter how much I was hated lol
This speaker really understands today’s China and is very accurate in his analysis. He has my 100% support.
I am a Hongkonger and I want to let everybody know that the CCP is extremely dangerous .... an immediate threat to world peace.
dalbcf dalbcf
Add oil buddy. I hope the immediate danger gets resolved peacefully and I wish you a better future. It’s sad to see the CCP cast such a horrible shadow over your beautiful city.
Democracy delay no more
Peace ✌️
@Elias Paavola You have the same energy as those crazy mums that think vaccines cause autism
@Elias Paavola You have the same energy as those crazy mums who think vaccines cause autism
Right on brother/ sister, unfortunately these dum dums from Want to change America, but us patriots will fight against that
I wish Hong Kong peace and freedom.
It's ironic that the Chinese gov gives very severe penalty for smoking weed when ive met so many Chinese international students who smoke weed like their life depends on it.
2:21 here is something ironic, how treating minorities as one of their own considered to be ignorant is beyond my comprehension. Oh wait he's American, nevermind.
@@zqc8250 When you make no attempt to see from another's point of view and dismiss their humanity if they don't share your own beliefs and opinions that makes you ignorant. Also another example of ignorance, he is South African not American btw.
@@mysticonthehill That's simply not true. If you look over a map of PRC there are rather vast self-governed regions for minorities, with most of which remain undisturbed till this day. Some are under surveillance where radical islamism is involved. Now, what "attempts" to see from another's point of view is just irrelevant , as each niche holds different values, how 'bout just let them be themselves as long as the gateway remains open & welcome. If you are really making an attempt to understand the minorities, how about asking why the majority of native Americans do not celebrate Thanksgiving? Before they go extinct in America.
PS: You are damn right about my ignorance towards this youtuber.
It is more legal to carry a gun on the street of the US than a beer
@@yazuki1185 Clearly you've never been. Beer is entirely too easy to get there
As a mainland Chinese who has lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years, I approve of this video. Although I don't share all of this person's experience, a lot of things mentioned in this letter resonances with me. What surprises me most is that most of my "peers" didn't like to experience new things despite being in a different country, many of them simply just want to have a degree and go home quickly. I often find it odd that many tend to think of appreciating other cultures as degrading the Chinese culture.
Interesting point. Have always found it funny living in Australia, which is very multi cultural, that Chinese people, from a generalised standpoint anyway, seem to only eat Chinese food.
Maybe I'm just imagining that
Thus the proliferation of China town in every city and Chinese restaurants everywhere
It is because the system is built that way, keep the public stupid and illogical...never analyze information...this is not about the west even, China knows nothing about India and the middle East and Iran and turkey and Malaysia and Cambodia...they have no knowledge about religions or political systems or geography or languages....it is about keeping people very stupid...
@@TommoC123 They prefer Chinese food. Went on a bus tour in the US, about 90% where mainlanders. They would complain about every western meal served (meat too rare, too cooked, vegetables not cooked enough, how do you eat a whole potato, ice cream too cold). The half dozen times we went to a Chinese restaurant, they would complain it didn't taste like home, too westernized (true). About two nights into the trip one family reviled they had a suitcase of instant noodle bowls and ate that instead of the western meals that was included.
@@TommoC123 You're not.
It takes time. When my wife first came to Australia, she had real problems changing the diet. Suddenly going right to meaty and high protein.
Now eats just about everything. She is to Chinese food what I am to a roast or a sandwich.
Our daughter will eat anything as long as it's meat and not spicy (Working on that last, but she's 6)
My parents immigrated to the US from mainland China in the 80s and have been US citizens for over 20 years. Even today, they only read Chinese news and 80% of their social circle is from mainland China, not to mention that they continue to cheer for China in the trade war dispute. Keep in mind they've lived in the US for over half of their lives!
I basically grew up on those pro-CCP movies and TV shows usually set around WWII and Mao's rule which they've watched countless numbers of to this day. Despite all of this, I always found closer affinity to American and Western values than CCP values, having grown up in the US. In college and grad school, I hung out with some mainlanders from time to time and it was almost a game to see how long it would take for them to figure out that I'm not really one of them since I found most of them to be highly homogeneous with a very narrow range of personalities than Americans (including Chinese Americans.)
Winston, this is one of the reasons I'm so drawn to your channel. Although I didn't agree with the CCP on many things, I always had a peculiar fascination with mainland China since I kinda discovered that I wasn't exactly like them in early adulthood but I could have become one of them had my parents not immigrated to the US (although I did retain some characteristics of mainlanders.) I feel most of the observations you have of mainlanders are pretty spot on even though a lot of them are offended whenever I point those out myself.
Have you ever ask your parents why they immigrated to the US or didn't go back if they like CCP so much?
roguenoir Consider yourself lucky, I was surrounded by a bunch of people who are brainwashed by CCP propaganda. I was born in Malaysia and parents are not pro CCP but my mom start watch those CCP news and she was brainwashed and my relatives too. Some students from my school chinese who also support CCP. They share those propaganda by social media and some of the intex are scary.
@Anonymous Many immigrants in the first generation stand one foot in their homeland. What matters is how they lead their children.
@@Mische2k They probably enjoy the advantages of the society in the US, but they will never become part of this society. Otherwise they are free to do and think what they want and they aren't directly harmful.
In the land were I am living social benefits are much higher and punishments are milder than in the US, this has the disadvantage that foreign people who don't give a sh*t about our society often try to steal money from the state and other people. Fortunately, the Chinese people living here do not do that kind of things.
@@addygreen8919 You are probably from an EU country. I had the same experience in Germany.
As a mainlander who moved abroad, I was also fiercely pro-CCP in my younger years, until one day I learned about the 1989 Tiananmen massacre.
I met a few main landers (both normal and ccp-ers) during my short stint in a japanesse language school before corona-chan forced me back to my country.
The normal ones were quite fun to talk with. Sure, we had to use our very basic japanesse to communicate since neither of us could speak the other's language, but that did not hinder the fun times we had.
The ccp ones were something else though. They acted like they owned the place. They slept during the lessons and even blatantly ignored the teacher's words. And these guys had the gal to apply for a more advance japanesse school when their nihonggo sucks more than mine.
We even almost came to blows when the whole Tienanmen subject was brought up.
Let's just say, it was hard not to hate the pro-ccpers when their actions do so much damage to their reputation.
Yeah , like the calendar just skipped 1989.
To be fair to them though, there are people who will tell you the Jan 6 insurrection never happened... even though they watched it happen live .
People believe what they want to believe.
@@seanfaherty there was no insurrection. There was just a museum boomer tour. The capitol police let them in. I remember watching Baked Alaska's live.
@seanfaherty9010
Any change of opinion on this since all the new footage got released? Really seemed like they just let them in and gave them an unauthorized tour. The security essentially rolled over. It's on them imo.
A friend of mine had a funny/interesting conversation with a chinese student in her students dorm. He saw all these political stickers and statements everywhere. Heard people criticize the government and society all the time. People going protesting or being activists. My friend is very active politically. One evening, he asked her: "Why does your government allow you to be against them? Why are they making so much trouble for themselves? I don't get it. Why would a government be so stupid?" In the conversation that followed, it became clear that he had never encountered the thought the government representing the people or being legitimized by the people it ruled. For him, government, naturally, was an entity separate from the people it ruled and it is obviously driven by its interest in self preservation. It's like a gang or mafia family that leaves you alone as long as you don't challenge their rule or talk back. I think it was quite an eye opening perspective to hear, in order to understand how chinese society works.
"Thoughtcrime does not entail death; thoughtcrime IS death." - George Orwell, 1984
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Big Brother is watching you!
You are right pro.
the chocolate ration has always been 4 grams
My university has finally cut ties with the Confucius Institute, allowing me to be one of the first to follow a course specifically on Taiwan and its history.
Which uni is that?
What university?
Learn Chinese and Chinese culture in Taiwan, the only country using traditional Chinese as the official language. In Taiwan, Chinese customs (Taoist, culinary, ones etc.) are normally practiced, as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party, a group of atheists that have oppressed and eradicated religious groups. (But communists did so not because they're atheists, but because they want to rule out any possibility of self-organized gatherings, which may breed anti-CCP thoughts).
Confucius Institute= CCP propaganda machine...The world should get rid of them....
I can't understand why secret services don't crack down hard on these cripling CCP drones handicaping the development of students. They are "intellectual" terrorists.
I’m Australian and I have a few friends that are “Chinese” but make it very clear they are not, because they are from Hong Kong. It seems a big deal for them to differentiate between the two, and to educate us mere ignorant Aussies.
Of course this is a big deal
Well what are the first three big differences that you come up with when comparing mainland Chinese to Hong Kong people
I’ve had friends who have said they are from Hong Kong too. And that they are not the same as Chinese. I tend to agree with this since Hong Kong has been colonized by Great Britain and Portugal. They were one of the worlds biggest trade ports and has a rich history of business which brings a lot of different cultures. Because of this Hong Kong culture is much more globalized and western compared to the rest of China. You see it in their dialect and food. Very sad what has happened to Hong Kong now. But we’ll always remember it for what it was.
I personally don't like ppl that don't acknowledge their own ethnicity. If the CCP was good, they would definitely scream they're Chinese on a daily basis. I personally think it's a bit pathetic, also because they're all gonna discriminated wether you see yourself as HK, TW, overseas Chinese. It's a very sad situation, in my opinion. You can criticize the CCP, but at the same time be proud of your Chinese culture, food, customs.
Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore Chinese hate being called Chinese. They call themselves Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, Malaysian, Singaporean. They are much better than mainlanders and they really hate mainlanders.
@@3DegreesNorth638 a minor error, Hong Kong was colonized by Britain only, Portugal colonized Macau
I've been embracing my "traitor" status for years now 😂
You're not a Traitor, it's the communists that have destroyed Chinese culture that are the traitors.
Luther Dai
How come I can never be Chinese?
I am well versed in the Chinese culture and history plus have devoted much of my life to that country.
I have a Chinese wife yet they don’t want me.
Just because I’m ethnically European.
That’s racist.
@@gusyates1839 I'd agree with you. But you gotta understand China 😂 The Chinese identity is more ethic than cultural based.
Luther Dai
But they’re racist. If white people cannot get away with it, why should you?
@@gusyates1839 if you could read 文言文，remember chinse poetry, understand 道德经 and art of war, I consider you chinese. At least your children will be chinese.
lol that 'banana' insult. true 100%. They expect the 2nd and 3rd generations to be exactly like the mainlanders. Sorry but that's impossible
A lot of older mainlanders that come to western countries.
Are, really rude. They expect other chinese in the west to
speak fluent Mandarin. They, themselves, refuse to learn
english. They, really are, an embarrassment, to Chinese.
At least, try. That is why westerners have a bad impression.
Communism itself is not Chinese. It is a foreign ideology
absorbed by the CCP. Ancient China, worshipped a monotheistic
God, called ShangTi. This is before Confucianism or Buddhism.
One should realize that the west is not that "white" anymore with all the different ethnicities that live there. LOL
In my experience, mainlanders are often unaware of just how many Chinese diaspora there are outside China, and many have been living abroad for many generations. These diaspora are more assimilated into the country where they are at, than to "motherland" China.
I am Chinese ethnically, but something like 5th generation diaspora. That is so far removed from mainland China, that I don't see any national / political / cultural / linguistic connection, except by blood only. But to the mainlanders, it doesn't matter. They expect all Chinese diaspora to be loyal to the motherland China. You are deemed a traitor if you "lose your roots". Even worse, if you don't speak mandarin, you are called a "banana"; yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
That's one of the reasons I don't like to associate with mainlander Chinese. Such expectations is ridiculous. It's not like I had a choice where I was born or how I was educated. I may look Chinese on the outside, but my nationality, culture and language is that of the country I was born in and grew up in. It's as simple as that.
The equivalent (though not as severe) is to ask a white American why they are not loyal to the "homeland" Britain. Do you see just how ridiculous that expectation is?
@@bangscutter I think this comes from what I call "cultural insecurity" and intolerance of other cultures. The Chinese have assimilated 56 different ethnicities in mainland China and is never concerned about these ethnicities "losing their roots" but somehow as soon as they see the Chinese being integrated into the western culture led by different races and ethnicities, they get all antsy.
Exactly. How tf are we supposed to act that way when we have literally no connection to the “mother land.” Since we were born, the only home we could even call was the country we were born in. Our loyalties can’t even be divided...
I know a mainland Chinese girl, and I just asked her what she feels about the CCP, she refused to answer.
Possibly she has a bad English, I can tell you my opinion tho
So? They don’t want to share, that’s personal
She was studying abroad in Japan and spoke perfect English, she was telling me all kinds of stuff about China, until I asked about the CCP and the conversation died out.
EirikXL why do you think she didn’t talk
Honestly it’s a tough topic for all mainland Chinese Americans, regardless of language barrier. Opposing the ccp probably means betraying their families back in China and their mother country, while supporting the ccp opposes many core fundamental beliefs of America, where they live.
"Suffer?" Seriously? I'm ABC, and tried making friends with OBC, but kept getting called a "banana" and all sorts of nasty stuff...despite being raised with precommunist Chinese values, martial arts, culinary heritage, etc. I think this "suffering" is self-inflicted. We want to help our fellow human beings, but we're not obligated to help assholes.
China's entitled victimhood plays out on all fields I suppose
At my uni they're generally very anti social even when you try and befriend them. One mainlanders I'm friends with even told me they're not cool with the ABC.
@@tenko5541 By the same token, ABC's aren't cool with OBC's, either (once they find out the other party is a deluded asshole on the same level as Donald Trump and Xi Jinping.)
What's ABC and OBC
@@nabeel9187 ABC is short for American Born Chinese, OBC are mainlanders, basically
I'll be honest, when I was studying English in Oxford I wasn't surprised that people tried to interact more with other students that spoke the same language at all, but the Chinese... The Chinese were different, they literally only interacted with other Chinese people, when I tried to be nice, friendly towards them, they stood like deers caught in the headlights each single time, even when I had a roommate from Hong Kong, which Is supposed to be a more liberal country, he barely talked to me or the other rommate who was from France, I became friends with this guy pretty easily, but this Chinese guy never talked with us, played videogames with us, only played online games (shouting to the microphone while voice chatting with his mates) ate chinese instant soup in the room leaving an awful smell, Im not a Xenophobic guy, neither a Racist (I'm Chilean/SouthAmerican) but I ain't messing with guys from mainland China again if that behaviour is normal to them
Supe inmediatamente que eras chileno solo por tu apellido, buena wn
@@bebelin157 jejeee
@Donkey Bellerin true, but this roommate I had was from Hong Kong, from what I know, Hong Kong is (or was now) supposed to be a bit more liberal and western-like but the guy was Nasty and did gross things as well.
@Donkey Bellerin Well, regardless of the fact that he ate his fookin' instant noodles in our room leaving an awful smell every single night and didn't even bother to clean his bed/desk and it was all full of rubbish, I remember that one day I came in a bit drunk after going to a pub with some mates, and in the moment that I closed the door, the guy went out of the bathroom, with all his pants peed, his shirt full of food stains and noodles hanging from his mouth, he looked directly at my face and made a strange noise between all the noodles stuck in his mouth that I suppose was something like a "hello mate", jeez, It was so disgusting that in less that 2 secs I was already outside of the room trying not to vomit and sitting on one of the Campus backyards asking myself "why does life hate me this much"
My experiences with hong konges are totally different. Guessing it's just an introverted dude or something.
I'm a biracial with half Chinese ethnic. Base on what I've seen from my Chinese mom side you are so right about everything.
My university does it’s best to try to enable Chinese students to experience local life. One of the best ideas is weekly arranged meetings where Chinese students meet volunteer local people to practice their spoken English. In the process there is genuine cultural experience
Please provide Chinese Subtitles. I'm a Black American that lives in China for 16 years. I have a Chinese wife with Taiwanese passport and a 12 year old daughter. I would love for them to hear your message.I'm a big supporter of yours! 🙏👍👍👍
Disgusting
Can't you simply translate it for them? And don't you speak in your mother tongue to your own daughter? She doesn't even understand English?
@@vietnamiscool2669What a weird name, hey disgusting!
I have been identified as non Chinese since I started not agreeing with the CPC. However I have Chinese blood and I love my culture, history and people.
Lots of people have Chinese blood, just like all those who are half Chinese and their parent or grandparent who fled China during Great Famine and Cultural Revolution. Some of these half Chinese tried to get back to the root and guess what? They are not Chinese enough and lots of Chinese mainland said they are "BIASED" about Mao.
Duh, if you have your entire family, neighbors and more killed during Mao's Era, you can expect them, their children and grandchildren will hate Mao.
@Bob Jones ..You have a good sense of history and human weakness.
Every psychopath "knows " Whats best for the "people". Only when
confronted by a more powerful force does it end.Sad commentary on
the human race...
Kinda a random thought.
Since I was a child, I thought that a leadership should live in a small house in the middle of nowhere, with all the communication needs taken care of.
In a sense, it would insure that the leadership, would have the least opportunity of corruption.
@@claymore609 ..John lennon..Imagine....Then
of course we had the artist Hitler in a cement bunker.Was he corrupt..?
I cant even answer my own question...What I believe is that power
corrupts humans and the best hope is
a constitution that limits human power.
....Cheers.!
Respect. China is too amazing to be kept in a cave and fed lies by self serving psychos. I like Chinese people. Was raised after my dad died by a half Chinese guy who was so fucked up by the past.. but I learned to love the (real) culture. I also learned about the grey culture of men in Mao uniforms with blank faces and suspicious minds...who watched from their embassy. I loved the old people who lived among us as friends, and contributed so much to society. Those places live in my memory, the red paper, colorful silk, and religious art, incense, mahjong, and family. Respect.
Problem is this Chinese guys' letter was censored immediately when he posted it on the internet so Chinese can't read it. The irony.
and also，RUclips ban a lot of account，who dont wanna Chinese tell the truth.who lies you.who control the most of media of the world.
@@supdu5881 Source ?
@@Penultimo-o3v This is a propaganda outlet that indoctrinated it viewers by keep telling us how bad China really is. So I doubt he'll give you an answer.
I'm sure Winston wrote the letter himself
astrohawke no, I have read that somewhere else as well.
Winston I am an ethnic Chinese who grew up in London and you just read my mind
I've met many chinese students who barely speak English and wonder how they get admitted to american universities.
they may have a spike on certain fields of studies. Some of my friends indeed speak poor English yet they're absolutely legendary on certain subjects. I know someone who failed a basic ESL class yet took several senior-level real analysis classes in her freshman year and nailed them.
Bribery
The cheat and university likes their money
yay I get to do my favourite quote, from Vanilla Sky :)
"The answer to 99 out of 100 questions is money."
tbh i just graduated from high school and i was surprised that some of my classmates even got in any english speaking university, not just because they dont speak good english, they are barely good at any subject
All the Chinese kids at my college seem to only interact with the other Chinese kids. I'm fine with them being here, but it seems like they don't really try too hard to interact with non-Chinese students.
Or even non-mainland Chinese students
even other asian - I'm vietnamese and never see chinese people try to talk to other people
@@snkhuong Chinese or Chinese Americans? Cuz Chinese Americans are def more open to interacting with other people.
Also as someone interested in Korean culture, Koreans tend to be the same. Just stick with mostly other Koreans.
@@Naruto-bp6hm Chinese from china ofc. I would consider chinese who were born in america american
in my old school chinese get bullied so they probably make friends with other chinese
I loved when they called me banana (it happened only once only in China) because it was so stressful explaining every time that I do not speak Chinese lol. For a lot of Chinese is very alien seeing a Chinese looking guy who does not speak mandarin. I want to learn Chinese but I born in Italy, so I’m proud of being a banana.
I speak some but writing is hard. I'm always afraid of not being Chinese enough. Tough I've never been called a banana lol.
"Chinese-looking"?? What about Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese? No-one can tell them from Chinese (unless there's a group of them).
@@DieFlabbergast of course it is the same thing, I just express my own experience as Chinese.
@@delilabei970 nope, ma molti come me se lo dimenticano il cinese crescendo.
@@The4lex97 a mi se me olvido espanol no mas hablo ingles
Few years ago (before covid) there were many Chinese exchange students at my university here in Netherlands. But they didn’t engaged with other students at all, they were constantly together and I barely heard them speaking english. I also heard that they were really struggling in group assignments and civilized discussions about controversial topics. I guess that their environment didn’t give them the opportunity to develop their social skills.
Or they are a CCP spy ring :D
About three years ago, we observed a young lady from China who was lost. Turns out she was going to start at the university where I taught and she got off the wrong stop.
We gave her a ride, moved her into the dorm gave her our number. We gave her one of our bikes. My wife took her shopping. We invited to our holidays.
She got her degree, found a job and a spouse. Says she loves the US.
Like to think we contributed to warm relationship to the US.
I am a Malaysian born Chinese who identifies as a Malaysian and my co-worker who is a mainlander harasses me every day. We've had shouting matches and all the behaviour described here is completely accurate. He even frequently says to his own Australian born Chinese friend that he will never be a true Chinese - reminding him this "fact" every week. This attitude occupies their brain 24/7.
I lived with Malaysian Chinese for awhile when I was based in KL and they are good people, fun, very different from mainlanders
Who wants to be a true Chinese anyway lmao
Being born in china and study in hell school
For me it's a hell no I'll pass
Don't worry he's not doing any harm to your mate, any Aussie wouldn't want to be anything else😂😂
Got a friend who has a Chinese wife. I have talked to her extensively. She has been here 20 years. She prefers the U.S. over China except for the food. She hated the Chinese propaganda, how the Cultural Revolution held people back, how as a woman she was discriminated against and she hated especially the gossip. She said people would gossip you to death.
Haha I live in HK and is currently a secondary school student, the gossiping part is very accurate!
Can you blame them, though? When 'accredited' news channels only provide propaganda and propagandized versions of the news, that only leaves word-of-mouth, aka: gossip. Sadly, with the useful stuff comes the petty stuff.
I’m a Hong konger studying in the U.K and I get along well with the broader school community. I once voiced out my views about the Chinese government to some brits, the mainland circle overheard and spread it everywhere. They took my criticisms as criticisms against the chinese nation as a whole and was seen as someone rejecting my nationality, even other Hong kongers, fearing altercations with the mainland Chinese students also sided against me. Since then I have stuck around with fellow Hong kongers and people from the west which in my opinion are more easy going. I’m still worried that people think I am some wannabe white guy.
It’s quite a shame too, I know a good amount of mainland Chinese people in Hong Kong who are actually quite friendly, easy going people. Funnily enough I feel less safe to say what I want to say when I am in the UK.
That’s what I have been experiencing over last decade as European in UK..Political correctness has destroyed free speech.
it,s self preservation , if they dont protest against taiwan or any other person against mainland chinese they will be fuckt over by their own goverment
Never forget the CCP and the Chinese Nation are two entirely different things.
@Kana Jingly its far less oppressive than just hanging around with ppl of ur own nationality, its a shame so many fall into that trap abroad.
@Kana Jingly Ive always avoided hanging around with ppl from the mainland abroad for this reason, hell even with HKers you feel like you are always being judged.
The idea of China's inexorable unending rise to wealth and power is a myth, IMO. China's xenophobia and egotistical assumption of superiority will prevent it from achieving the power and influence it desires.
1. Its attitudes leads its leaders to bully other nations. It has bullied all its neighbors. This is currently causing a decrease in local trade, or a decrease in its growth.
2. China's claims to the SCS is putting it on a collision coarse with Japan, Vietnam, US, India, Thailand, and even the Philippines (eventually).
How can a mercantile trade oriented economy thrive by making enemies of its neighbors?? It cannot. China's export based economy will suffer.
especially now, after the Pandemic broke out. Many Companies are going to pull out of China.
I think this is pretty accurate, China is trying to gain a foothold in Africa but the African people are rejecting them
@S Law Give me a link.
@@beu9245 Thank you
My message to mainlanders: make China great again!
As a Chinese I can confirm that peer pressure is the best form of character assassination for the social group
I'm Chinese born in China and currently a U.S citizen. Sometimes I have difficulty interacting with mainlanders due to growing up in a different environment.
@NoPain NoGain I went to school in China from pre School to 2nd grade. All I remembered was school teachers praising Deng Xiaoping and Mao Ze Dong. They even showed anti-japanese WW2 movie at school. I didn't experience the full education system in China
@NoPain NoGain I've dated many mainland Chinese women over the years and I can tell you the majority are brainwashed, far more than 50%! They are like sheep, and refuse to accept truths about Falungong people being killed for their organs or Tiananmen ect. If you point these things out to them, even when you are mature and clam about it, the end result is denial and offense, and they usually start attacking western governments in a futile attempt to even the score. No government is perfect and also no country is perfect, but as far as i'm aware, western countries don't butcher tens of thousands of their own citizens and hack their bodies to piece to make money. As far as I'm aware we do have freedom of press in the west (unlike China), and somehow I think if this stuff was going on in the west I think it would have gotten out by no lol. By the way did anyone catch the 70th anniversary of the communist party? What's with the need to show off your military, is it morally righteous to display weapons of mass destruction? Many countries have these weapons, not everyone shows them off like third grade Nazis. What's your point? That your hell bent on world domination? I prefer my heart inside my chest thanks. Also notice how Xi Jinping held his hand up for virtually the whole ceremony? Like his simulation the Nazi solute but masking it by carefully blending it with a static wave gesture. And of course his soldiers doing the goosestep. Regression at it's finest!
@NoPain NoGain I always find it hard to swallow the word "brainwash". It's tough to explain. I often see conservatives in Western countries talk about preserving culture. What is culture really but a collective behavior of mass? You see, I don't like CCP. I am very disappointed that I didn't get to see the information they kept from me for so long. However, I'm not against social programs in general. I think it's hard to provide competition in some areas, so the gov't can provide healthy alternatives as long as they don't remove the private sector in the process. I live in the U.S. right now btw. As soon as I show any kind tency toward socialism (even though it wasn't my intention) people are quick to accuse me of being a communist. I often say this free speech doesn't mean intelligence speech. I think the biggest problem is that many Chinese are so used to the state providing most of the services, the newfound freedom often frightens them. Like I explained earlier, a lot of westerners are also quick to label us. Making it very difficult to adjust. In the video, it was also explained why some Chinese decided to stay in own community. I do understand why we kind of deserve some or maybe all of the negative images we got. I often ask people this: why do you really want? Vent your anger on us or hope China to change. If former, it's very straightforward, just write to your representatives to cut off all of former ties with China. Otherwise, many of us should be given the chance to learn and grow. Think about it, if preaching China help to solve any of these problems, this video wouldn't have been made this first time.
@@blarstone9322 dang they teach kids to hate Japanese That is useless and pathetic.They should get over from history and focus on future
@@dayal2293 my grandparents told me they've seen Japanese troops shooting and stabbing civilians, it was very horrifying to witness the situation. I've been called a dog and traitor by Chinese nationalists for not hating Japanese. Because the people that were involved in massacre are no longer alive today, and Japan has changed a lot.
As someone who’s ethically Chinese from Singapore. I totally could relate to the blurred view of mainlanders between ethnicity and nationality. A mainland Chinese student did once exclaim to me in frustration “why do Singaporeans dislike mainlanders?! We are all chinese!!”.
Filipino Chinese will often have nationalistic sentiments and refuse to identify as anything other than Filipino. They are proud of Chinese heritage but to have allegiance with mainland China is stupid
Is he dumb?
Singapore ain't even part of china
It's was once part of mainland Malaysia
The reason Why you hate them is because you value western values more than your own
"The CCP way of discussing politics - rude, loud and illogical." Sounds very familiar.
Marsh Wetland on too many occasions they show that they are rude and uncouth.Public defecation and urination are perfectly acceptable.They talk loudly on buses. Not to mention spitting on sidewalks forcefully.
You're right, I sure do wish somebody would take Joe Biden up on his "I'll take you out back to the woodshed... " comments.
Yep the West is buying more and more into the same tactics used by authoritarians. Populism works, Trump got into office by being rude and loud, and people gravitated towards it.
Sort of like Democrats in Trump's America or the MAGA people when they discover someone is conservative and can't stand Trump?
Libtards Suck you are so deeply indoctrinated you are blind to your hypocrisy. Populism in America is endemic and non-partisan. Trump appeals to the lowest common denominator through brash rhetoric and simple black and white thinking. It is this exact style of populism that got Thatcher into office and kept the CCP in power. Offensive and rude language is a power play in CCP China, and is easily seen through their hard power propaganda. You’d know that if you stepped outside your bubble. Biden is just as populist, he appeals to Trump haters and social justice warriors through the same rhetoric as trump, it is just less socially conservative.
I'm seeing this around me every day in Vancouver, Canada. As an immigrant from South Africa, I can relate somewhat, but the culture shock for Chinese people from the mainland must be be 100x worse. I sometimes feel really bad for them, because a lot of the ones I work with are actually really nice people. There are obviously some exceptions to this. Some of them are really mean and arrogant, and even openly racist towards me. But IME those are small minority.
But I agree what you're saying about cliques/cultural groups. This is especially bad in Canada. Ironically, our PM keeps talking about "diversity" and "equality" but he is actually encouraging division more than anything.
yeaaa there's alot of people from china in my program and they kinda... made this closed off clique.. itd be fun if we could all chat together and have fun as a class
Not many people can overcome cultural shock, even the ones you might consider "successful" in life. Chinese are so much worse in this regard, because it is so much easier to stay within their 'known' and well defined/protected circles. But this is not limited to Chinese, or in your case, South African, it evens include the local whites here in Canada. I see the similar 'unenlightened' traits shared by both sides when they refuse to step over culture bounds.
I believe our societal structure right now doesn't really allow people to experience different cultures in their life time, and there are many things lost with those missing opportunities, and are quite unique to immigrants second generation of having the privilege of growing up with two or more.
Maybe we could solve this by distributing experiences across a neural interface network in the future, but right now humanity doesn't have enough resources to distribute this "experience" to everyone.
I kind of get it. I grew up in Germany with several nationalities in my middle and high school classes, especially from Africa. Some of them became my friends and I started to feel very openminded.
However as I started to study and life in the Netherlands, a culture that couldn't be closer to the German culture, I experienced a lot of symptoms of culture shock. Alienation, Confusion about small things and this can very easily turn into arrogance.
It takes some time to get used to another culture. For me it actually kind of started on the first day in the Netherlands as a supermarket refused to take my 1 and 2 cent coins as payment, you feel kind of stupid for not knowing such a simple thing, but its easier to say: no, they are stupid, silly Dutch people.
Of course, the difference between the west and China is even much more extreme.
Btw. I am back in Germany now and I hate 1 and 2 cent coins, they are actually kind of useless.
Im from an immigrant/minority majority city in ontario. There are so many Mainlanders and canadian born. But they (mainlanders) keep to themselves. I relate more to my Indian counterparts than my so called kin. Fobs is all they are
man I relate so much to the the fake "diversity" in Canada. When I landed in BC for a one year university exchange I expected it to be super white (it was Kelowna) but the city was super diverse actually. Even more diverse than where I grew up. Everyone was super friendly but the norm was to stick to your race and people didn't mix that much. At home my friends are from all races but canadian students seemed to have less diversity than me among their friends.
I'm Russian and my hometown located really close to China, we're only separated by a small river (Amur) so we had lots of experience with Chinese before the pandemic. Tourists and exchange students were always quite open to us. Especially exchange students, they were really interested in our culture and lifestyle, told us that they liked how carefree we can be xd. Before watching this documentary I would never imagine a mainlander having huge problems with communication, that was an interesting insight, thank you.
because they are communist just like you are , and can relate with the russian fascist dictatorship
Finally, someone who understands us! I knew you would be able to do a lot of good after leaving China behind.
It's such a niche topic: people in China haven't a clue what it's like outside of China, and people outside of China don't have a clue what it's like in China. But you've crossed over into China, and crossed over out of China again.
I think it also helps that you have experienced the racial tensions of South Africa. This is a very different cup of tea, though. There is no outright hatred, or even fear and paranoia.
Instead, it is a form of systematised misunderstanding, where you have two societies, two different sets of rules and worldviews.
The monolithic world view of China, and the pluralistic worldview of the West. Both have minority groups who complain of marginalisation. China tries to Sinicise all ethnic minority groups that can be Sinicised, and the ones that stick out like a sore thumb are treated, as far as I know, the way Athenians treat resident metics.
But in the West, an attempt at a colour blind society is made, with differing levels of success. The result is a certain degree of loyalty from local and foreign residents, who can also become incorporated into the local citizenry. Furthermore, the indigenous populations can also find a niche, but usually, it is not quite ideal. But they can control assets in a way the CCP would never allow any potential splittist groups, or even any potentially disloyal Chinese, no matter how competent, to operate, let alone, own.
Control in China is absolute. Loyalty is always considered insufficient. Stress is never ending. The atmosphere is stifling. Free speech is non existent. Every statement anyone makes is political. And is treated accordingly.
A single word can be the difference between life and death.
The outside world can seem like a horror of a nightmares, filled with discord, confusion, conflicting opinions, insubordination, chaos, senseless arguments, inefficiencies, self sabotage, and all sorts of incomprehensible sets of behaviour which make no logical sense.
Still, it beats living a life of trying to hold my breath until the day I die. That's not living.
There is no outright hatred, or even fear and paranoia.
Derar God are you insane? Look up 'necklacing' . . . I have not seen such an egregiously foolish statement for a long time, it seems you know practically nothing of the subject - a whole pile of carefully considered big words is meaningless if rife with error
@@nobrainsnoheadache2434 perhaps I'm insane, but what does necklacing have to do with anything?
Too much polarity in the world, we need much more harmony. Be yourself, there is no time to lose! Oh and screw you JD
@@PandemoniumMeltDown Thank you! But you know, it's only because of digital technology and the widespread nature of English use that we can even have this conversation to begin with! It's a pity things have to be so rough, after we've just been over 2 World Wars and a Cold War, we just don't catch a break, do we?
@@zhouwu I don't identify with war, only with people :D I'm glad you posted here.
I studied for 4 years at a university in the US where chinese foreign students made up over 10% of the student body. I did not know a single person my entire time there that made friends with a single one of the students from China. They refused to socialize with non-chinese people at all. It was super strange
At 4 year uni in North Carolina I lived in the same dorm as all all of the foreign exchange students. Lived, had classes, shared common rooms and kitchens with them. Had the exact same experience you had. They kept completely to themselves, and never welcomed my friendly interactions or anyone elses
Really all I want is for the mainlanders coming here to get educated about what the CCP has actually done in the past, and continues to do, rather than letting them keep controlling the narrative. It's awful that even when Chinese folks are here in the states *and* using local, unblocked internet connections and devices that they still seem to want to stay ignorant and unquestioning. I love and appreciate the freedom I have to be able to both question and criticize both my own government and the rest of the governments in the world, and I couldn't imagine a world without, or at the very least in fear of, those abilities.
Your narrative of mainland students keeping on the CCP narrative is completely false. Actually, the vast majority of these students study overseas because they want to enjoy more freedom and other cultures, otherwise they wouldn't leave would they? Would be more efficient to study at Beijing University and work for the CCP on the side. You are right about not having the freedom of critiquing your own government, it's a scary thought. But don't think it's just Chinese, president Nixon for example sued Washington Post for leaking documents that proved that the government knew for a very long time that the Vietnam war couldn't be won, but they still send soldiers to die. Eventually the Chinese citizens will have to rebel themselves and stand up for their rights, nobody is going to give it to them.
@Maya Yeah, you can't eat cow in India and you can't marry outside your caste. Muslim Indians have even more laws. South Korea has compulsory military service. I also think democracy is flawed, every system has it flaws. I don't worry about the Chinese though, they're called model minorities for a reason, and that applies to most countries in this world. I heard the youth in China is listening to hiphop now, won't be long before they jump on the "power to the people" and "fight the system" bandwagon.
@Maya Again, you claim things that are based on nothing. You made claims about India and South Korea but you clearly had no idea. Now you keep making claims about such and such, again loosely based on your perception. If you knew how much China has changed over the past 40 years, you would know better than to create this the West vs China or China vs the West narrative. Please stop spouting your opinion online as "facts", it's called disinformation and I think it should be a crime considering it harms the validity of free speech..
@@petepetersen5418 the US supreme court doesn't consider hate speech as violation of first amendment and I believe Obama made propaganda legal
I also feel that most students going abroad to study, must be in quite a comfortable economic situation back home to be able to afford going to a different coutry to study. This would mean they are privilleged and comfortable in their way of life. This gives them less incentive to rebel and speak out against ccp or how things run back home.
It's like the Borg: "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile".
The Borg are incompetent in real battles because of overconfidence and collectivism thinking.
The only difference is that your version of the Borg would be going around bombing and destroying planets, using money they don't have.
The other just want to help build what's left through hard work.
Borg has their Pros and Cons.
At least Borgs don't know the difference between being a Fanatic or Heretic, or being a white Supremist or A Black, etc
It may be dull, but far less troublesome and chaotic
china is arsehole.
When i started going to university a few years ago, i didn't have any friends on campus.
I tried to make new friends, and i can tell you Chinese students dont want to make any new non Chinese friends.
So i made quite a few Vietnamese, Japanese, Latino, and plenty other cultures and races from around the world. I tell them about what it was like growing up in America, and they tell me about their home countries, and i help them adjust to the new and different culture America holds compared to their home countries. And i help them with their English for free also just because i enjoy helping people and making new friends. Its been a lot of fun meeting new people and making new friendships.
But yeah i have never seen any Chinese students hang out with someone outside their group, and i rarely ever hear them use English, even when talking about the professors lectures. They only use English when the absolutely have to.
I find it rather strange, why travel to another country to completely avoid everything about the culture.They are only there to stick their heads in textbooks.
Chinese girls are awfully easy if you play tour cards right though. The only problem is to separate them from the group but once peer pressure is removed they're more than willing to interact.
It's the same in Russian universities. There are a lot of Chinese students in Moscow. They all hang out together. They don't speak much Russian either.
And a lot of them won't even hang out with Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, or Chinese Americans.
experienced this as well many many times. Friendly greet met with apathy. I’ve met every type of people under the sun. Dutch are funny but a bit stern. Japanese were sweet. Australians were cheeky. Hong kongers were fun, Americans were enthusiastic. Colombians were chill... I mean pretty much all groups are really friendly.
Don’t want to sound like I’m painting a broad brush but... it’s my experience with 90% of mainland Chinese. The 10% they all spoke English and lived in either Hong Kong or were raised abroad. Why the can’t the young mainland Chinese coming over to study just be more open to ‘others’?? I don’t dislike them I just.. want them to not look at me like I’m below them or something.. so that I can actually befriend them haha is that hard to ask
There's a certain cachet that comes with a foreign degree. That's all they're there for, the cloistered ones--a fancy foreign degree for their CV. They couldn't care less about your country, it's people, and especially it's culture. And why should they? They paid their tuition, so it's not like they owe you anything. And despite the fact you're beneath them, they're letting you use them as a tick towards a DEI quota.
Not to worry, though...in 20 years, you'll know your place.
Your comments and analysis are so True. I am a music teacher, one if my teenage students is mainland chinese. They have been having music lessons for the last two years (remotely during the lockdown period). During this time i have noticed a lack of impetus during lessons. This came to a head a couple of weeks back, i was just enquiring after their mental wellness. I asked "you must be looking forward to getting back to family and friends"? The flood gates opened... They were very worried about the safety of their family in China. During the time in the west they had been exposed to different political and cultural values, many of these were completely at odds with the CCP. They realised that there were so many lies and bad treatment of ethnic groups and religions ( thanks to channels like your own) and they couldn't discuss or even mention this to their host family who spoke very little English, this was the same situation at their place of Education. What they feared most was being reported and deemed as disloyal to the party AND... what trouble it could cause for their family, this fear increased after watching videos about the 're-education
centres). They want stay in the west and live here, but have concerns about visas, parents and the overarching authority of the CCP
As someone who studies in a Singapore university with a huge Mainland population this video is really enlightening
Which Uni are you in?
Dude , you need to differentiate ethnic Singapore Chinese from Mainland Chinese . They are vastly different.
Sky dude I’m talking about mainlanders not Singaporeans. I have been in Singapore for 1.5 years and my main friend group is almost all Singaporeans anyways. So yeah I get along really well with Singaporean Chinese people and some Indonesians.
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@@marco_evertus and from which country you are from?
I like how they are saying mainland China instead of China
Mainland Chinese are very different from outlying ethnic chinese(HK, Singapore, Malaysia, etc...) Went to college with a fairly wide demographic. Speech class was pretty much the mainlanders praising China regardless of the topic, whereas the other ethnicities just were like yeah I'm chinese, just a part of who I am. It got old pretty quick. My sociology teacher encouraged his class to hold discussions using cultural differences once a week. The Mainlanders wouldnt even answer questions, after a while the rest of the class just stopped asking questions. Not only that but they were very disrespectful to any ethnic non-mainland chinese. It wasn't their English, they were all fairly fluent. They sat there and asked our several middle eastern and african students extremely racist and prejudiced questions. When we explained why those questions might upset someone they just shrugged and didn't change their actions. Several African students actually transferred classes bc they were tired of the mainlanders choosing to continue due to make racist, stereotypical, and bigoted comments. Not saying all mainlanders are like this, (in this case it was 3 out 4/5 ppl in speech class and about the same in the sociology class, all different ppl) met some lovely students from the mainland but that type of close- minded behavior is fairly typical. It's fine if you simply are unaware or ignorant but choosing to continue to act like after being politely educated...says a lot to me 🤷♀️
meke pretty sure Malaysia is far from being Chinese. Considering they share more culture with Indonesia.
@@greatninja2590 Chinese are the second largest ethnic group in Malaysia.
@@jingyang123456789 Chinese is a ethnicity, not a culture. Many American born Chinese are as white as white people and are more culturally identify more with them than with a mainlander chinese, for example.
So Malay Chinese may have more cultural identity with Indonesians than with mainlanders, if their culture of Malaysia and Indonesia is that close.
My friend, Mainland China is China but not with Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan.
Not Mainland China is Hong Kong, Taiwan and Hong Kong
Because Macau and Hong Kong are autonomous regions and Taiwan is under ROC (so they are like their own China.... china2.0)
[ i got these info from google]
Malaysia, Singapore is their own country. They dont have ties with China unless if its import export stuff. Eventhough they have Ethnic Chineses does not mean their under China.
Everything I wrote here is from GOOGLE so pls dont be angry at me
Fear is never a good foundation of governance.
This. "Do what I say or else" is not a debate. It's a threat.
You are as wrong as one can be. There is only one race that uses to build nations and empires not based on fear. All the other races on our planet without even one exception in the history of mankind have always used fear as their foundation of governance and they have been quite successful. What happens to fear-based-governing nations if they are liberated from fear even for the shortest time you can see on the example of the Russian revolution, the Chinese Civil War and dozens of African coups over the centuries, after a short time of anarchy they always switch back to autocracy, despotism and dictatorship based on fear and terror. All the best to you from Russia.
Because their foundation is based on lies, killings, deceiving and made in china product lol
I had a classmate in my Japanese class in the US from mainland China and we didn't discuss politics very much, something I try to do as much as possible for everyone I meet, but somehow the issue of freedom of speech came up. And she seemed to take it as a given that I was against free speech on the grounds that bad news would cause people to become upset etc. As an American this blew my mind. I kind of thought that since she was studying abroad in the US that she would adjust her way of thinking but she really didn't.
This is what I've run into with Japan; bad news is seen as a threat to public peace of mind, when I think the opposite it true: if bad things are happening, I what to be able to trust that the media will tell me about it and report it truthfully. I find ignorance unsettling rather than bliss.
I understand situations such as wartime where it's important to maintain moral and dampen the potential for security leaks, but on the whole I feel more secure in an environment where everything is laid out on the table and information if free.
Loneliness is a blessing, silence is golden, but privacy, in the sense that people don't trust each other and have to obsessively create boundaries, is a pathology.
CNN is against true news.
I have a lot of Chinese friends here who "escaped" from the mainland. They share the same sentiment from the letter you've just read.
Can a low ranking poor mainland Chinese Citizen legally emigrate from China in 2019? Let's say they've never been a troublemaker but they just want to live somewhere else for the rest of their life.
They sound like traitors.
Are you a fan of Clavel's Shogun by any chance? 🙃
I'm so happy you're making content like this, it's like a news special
as a migrant in Australia (from HK), I am also seeing similar things here as well, where the HK migrants would form their own little social circles and minimise any interaction with the local population (but yet complains about not being accepted by the locals), will only watch TV shows/movies and read newspapers from home, and everytime something doesn't go their way, whether it is a parking ticket or they didn't get that promotion which they feel they deserved, they blame it on racism/discrimination, over time, their bitterness grew and eventually gravitated towards the CCP propaganda and starts identifying themselves as a "Chinese", which is ironic, as most of them has migrated away from HK to escape the CCP.
I loved your comment hahahahaha... people are just so gullible.
As an Australian, we know the value of people skills. If they are not getting promoted, its because they are not getting to know people outside of their circle.
Book smarts/knowing the job is only part of what is required for a promotion. Tell them to get to know others, make themselves known by their peers.
As a business owner, i'm not going to promote someone just because they are smart or know the job, they have gotta know the people around them, it helps with keeping the peace and enables a fluid workplace.
The best leaders are usually the people with the best social skills. it helps knowing the job, but if they can't work with other people, there is no point in promoting them.
Get to know Aussies, they are some of the nicest people on the planet. My family moved here 2 generations ago, right after WW2, they were German.
Being German and moving here right after WW2, they were treated poorly, but my family made the effort to learn the Australian ways, got to know the people around them and became successful. It didn't take long, my pop was treated as an Aussie within the first few years of living here and became an electrical engineer and was team leader at Eraring Power station within 5 years of moving to Australia.
Chinese havn't had a major war with Australians, they don't have the same issues my Pop had, the only thing holding them back is their own paranoia and restricting themselves to their own comfort zone.
@@lifelostlusthoohoohah9286 THIS: "i know chinese too well, they are from an insecure country and also most of them are spoiled like giant toddler" [clap clap clap clap clap] And hats off to you for being unbiased and knowing that it's not about race or nationality but about the people. Respect.
@Nick Bennett um, not to pick on you, but you try to offer an anecdote about how you have lived in HK and China and never met people like those mentioned previously and I think that is entirely silly and a meaningless anecdote. Of course people from Hong Kong would not display a persecuted complex in their home nations where they are surrounded by people like them. That does not diminish that EVERYONE who moves to a new country will naturally gravitate towards those more like them or from "home", especially if they start to feel alienated or persecuted in their new home. It is why Australian, Kiwis and even South Africans cans can often be found together when overseas. Why Americans and Canadians have a tendency to group together. Why Japanese, Indians, Russians, Israelis, Somalis, tend to gravitate to other Japanese, Indian, Russian, Israeli, Somali immigrants/ex-pats. FFS, it is why even in Australia, Kiwi immigrants tend to gravitate to each other and in New Zealand, South African immigrants tend to gravitate to each other.
Hong Kong people are the first "Chinese" immigrants because for decades the CCP didn't let Chinese people leave the country. So when you want to know who created all the China Towns, it's actually the "free" and "democratic" immigrants from Hong Kong haha... No hate towards HK people though, I have met some very nice people from there.
Can confirm the 'cliques' thing. In my dormitories, during the summer holidays a whole block would be used by Chinese students every year (summer courses I think). I'm sure they were all very nice, but they never once said hello or tried to make conversation (and their English was quite good, they sometimes had phone calls in English). When we (the students that had re-exams) would organise a little BBQ or get together outside if the weather was nice, they would ignore us or sit in their own little groups. I always thought that to be a shame, but to each their own I guess ^^ Also I totally get feeling more comfortable with friends or people of your own culture, but still, thought it a bit of a shame that most of them never even tried. :) (never could get used to them never using a handkerchief though xD)
Hey Winston, this might be beside the topic of the video but I realized you're totally right about Chinese nationalism when I read Xinhua news yesterday, 39 Chinese nationals were suspected to have died on a lorry in England. Tragic story, but many of the top liked comments on the state news app were saying how great it would be if the dead were Hong Kong "abandoned youths/traitors".
How disgusting is that?
Yes, agreed
And people from HK, China and Taiwan province are celebrating? Check out facebook.
The odd thing is that the Chinese government rather blames the UK for neglecting those Chinese instead of asking themselves why people would hop into an ice truck just to get out of the country.
And they find all sorts of ways to not admit that they’re Chinese, just afraid that they’re gonna ‘lose face’.
C brtdgh I checked the BBC now, and it looks like they are Vietnamese, not Chinese.
Winston, I have so much respect for how you and C-Milk have shifted your channels in the last year. You guys have become much more open about what the CCP does and the repression it stands for, without ever being unfair or feeling like you’ve massively changed. It’s quite brave of you, considering your family ties to China, and I don’t know if I’d have the courage to do the same if I was in your shoes. Thank you.
Now that they don't live in china anymore, there is no much fear of being disapeared.
Though I still fear for winston since he's from South Africa and from what I heard China is quite close with them... that and the fact that many people with white skin are getting the triple kay kay kay treatment over there.
What he is doing is all about clicks. Because people in the west like to see the negative side of china which Winston can generate more Clicks of his videos if he make more videos bashing ccp. But in reality, they are not true.
Fyjmvggh yes they are actually true. If you watch his videos you’ll see he talks both about good and bad things. The truth is the system that CCP has, the negative far outweighs the positive. I’ve met many mainlanders who love coming into the US and they say exactly what Winston says. So ya you’re hella wrong.
@Winnie The Pooh Calm down, man.
This is the type of comments they will fish to show in the mainland. Well... with your nick I don't know if they would show it.
Yes. His content seems very biassed and interesting.
And he seems really truthful. People I know from China, living here usually recognize his stories when I link them.
always appreciate how you try to give insight into the mentality of mainlanders and how this affects their actions. it's easy to judge someone else according to your own biases and mentality, however this only results in further polarisation.
I am a mainlander living in New Zealand for 8years now. I just discovered your channel and have been watching your videos these days. I agree with nearly all of opinions of yours about China and you have broadened my mind and I have also learned lots of new English words and expressions from you. Thank you so much. I am sad and feel ashamed that we are not brave enough to stand out to make a change in China. Watching a beautiful country and their people going down to a dead end is just heartbreaking.
And thank you Winston for all your efforts.
As a New Zealander I hope you have been treated well :)
Friend of mine is ethnic chinese from singapore, he can't stand mainland china and avoids mentioning he is "chinese"
I am a Malay (native race) from Singapore. It is not just SG Chinese, even Malaysian Chinese are anti Mainland Chinese. And also the SG/MY Indians towards India Indians.
Lol. Here too. I am an Indonesian Chinese and I hate to be associated with Mainland Chinese. Once an Indonesian, always be an Indonesian
@@ridhwanr8262 Yeah it's bloody bizarre actually. Malays aren't prejudice towards Bruneian, or Indonesian Malays.
@@potatoeskimos they are.
Especially Indonesians in Malaysia.
Their exsistence is tolerated, but you will not see them being invited to social gstherings, weddings etc etc.
Bruneians not so much because you dont see them much outside of their kingdom
@@theallseeingeye9388 You do realize Indonesians in Malaysia are Javanese not Malays?
In my college they were some of the rudest, antisocial, racist people there. I also worked as a handyman for a landlord to get me through college and never in my life have I seen as much filth and comple disregard as at a Chinese students home.
As American born Chinese I really appreciate your videos and view points. I’ve always wondered about China and my parents viewpoints now I understand them more.
I'm South African-born Chinese. My grand parents came to South Africa in 1920 so my parents are also South African-borm. I'm a proud South African and proud of my Chinese culture. But because of my looks I still am seen as a foreigner by some South Africans of all colours. But I love their reactions when I speak Afrikaans. Lol. It really helps break the ice. I can't even speak Chinese. My mom used to surprise people when she spoke Zulu, Shangaan or Fanigolo. But she could speak Cantonese. English is what we speak at home.
That's interesting, and your mom sounds awesome! 🇿🇦
i lived in china for 20 years. you are correct
@One Time what the hell is that supposed to mean?
@One Time go fuck yourself dink
@@chrismacphail7041 The Chinese who serve CCP are mean spirited and not our friends. One Time's response in Chinese translates to, "that's what you're big ugly white ass face," which is a very rude thing to say to a professional Western man who helped China giving them 20 years of business expertise while teaching them a vast valuable knowledge base. I guess Chinese/American relations are becoming a bit too rocky now?
Please never go over there again on business...
why are you still living in China,you fucking idiot
As a Russo-chinse from the Russian far east/outer manchuria, can relate to many of these. I found myself being having a hard time in American education system, I did not understand America and my peers were being very cruel. This would eventually lead me to question everything I was told in America and Russia. And eventually led me to a political ideology and individual identity that firs in with neither world. I am local in no land. Coming out as ancom, celebrating lunar new year(something not done by my family), and encouraging others especially mainlanders to question their current and former life has really helped me claim a real identity.
"Some mainlanders will also try to make friends with other ethnic Chinese..."
You know, it never dawned on me until today listening to this, but in my experience, no. In my time at university, I've realized that the other Asians I've spoken with are usually Taiwanese, Burmese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Malaysian, and Japanese. Of course, I've spoken to mainlanders when the situation called for it, but they are usually in their detached groups and I don't recall ever having a serious conversation with one. This wasn't by design, it just never happened. Interesting.
I have had similar experiences. I think it's because there are so many of them that they can just get by being insular. I was a Singaporean living in Sweden (not too many of us) and god, seeing a Thai person was like meeting family. But the kids from China never felt that way.
same, they generally are within their circles
The beauty is you weren't perturbated about their behavior. Cool :D
As a Taiwanese , they often want to show you around as their “compatriot” friend. But they don’t want you to say anything from Taiwan, otherwise they get offended. No thanks, I’m not your dog.
I studied at an International Journalism school in the UK and all the Chinese students were really friendly and mixed with everyone of every nationality. Maybe they were just an unusually gregarious group.They didn't really like criticism of the CCP though.
They NEED to hear CCP criticism, and become allies in destroying it.
I remember jokingly telling a Chinese nationalist student in the UK that China stole Hong Kong from the British and he insisted I apologise. Lol. I was completely oblivious
I live in the student area next to McGill university and I witness that every day. The Mainland Chinese students stick together and don't mingle, even though many are genuinely curious of the "strange" land they are living in. They, along with the whole of China, have so much to gain learning about different cultures. They also have so much to give to those that want to learn about China. Sad :(
I am in NJ, USA and yes the Chinese students usually stay in groups of other Chinese students which is so sad. It would be interesting to talk to these people and get more insight on them.
No wonder why Attack on Titan is banned in China🤣
Wait what AHHAAHAHAAA
Now they've gone too far!
It is not banned in China
Its not based in China? Belive it or not its based in Madagascar.
Why
Never being "one of them" as a foreigner is a reality in all of Asia. Even in Singapore, the most westernized of all Asian countries, where almost everyone speaks English and at least half of everything there has a Western name, you can be a tax-paying resident or citizen for years or even decades, but if you're black or white or have any other outwardly foreign quality, it's always going to be, "no sir, where are you REALLY from?"
Being a chinese born and raised in Germany i can confidently say that the exact same thing happens to me every time i meet new people. whenever i introduce myself as german they ask „No where are your parents from?“
I joke I should qualify as Eurasian. I'm Flemish, 1/8th Dutch, 2%Jewish (technically Asian) and I speak Portuguese as well as some Malay.
@@autumnrain3497 probably because the majority is white
I remember reading this on r/China! Really enjoyed hearing it discussed here.
Assimilation happens in the US. It’s actually a hallmark of our country. When someone assimilates, they become an American. It’s a good thing.
I disagree with becoming "American". In Canada, we instead grow to appreciate other's cultures without trying to convert people to the "Canadian" culture.
@@darKILLusionnn So you admit that Canada has no identity. That's what you just said. Nothing you all get behind as a group.
Pretty sad.
@@yme3267 Canada is a pretty young country and honestly probably doesn't have a strong identity in terms of culture. But we value peace and multiculturalism nowadays rather than the melting pot that the States is.
Forcing everyone to buy into the empty "American dream"? Now that's sad.
@Screaming Mimi's Only time will tell. Who knows, maybe 50 years from now Canada will start WW3 haha
I lived in China for many years and learned how to speak Chinese. Now I am a teacher in the United States. I have one student from Fujian, she is very socially isolated.
Her biggest help was that I along with two other teachers can speak Mandarin Chinese and there was a help to her. But her life is not all that easy here in New York
When I was growing up in the 1990s, most Overseas Chinese that I knew were okay with being called just "Chinese." But in the last decade or two, it has taken a dramatic turn. "Chinese" is now practically an insult. A part of this is due to Overseas Chinese reacting to attempts by the CCP to capture their identity, but also a shift in the sorts of Chinese people that you encounter the most. The Tiananmen generation that formed the late 80s diaspora actually had a lot in common with Taiwanese and Hong Kongese people. But you won't find many people with sympathy (or empathy) for obnoxious Chinese tourists and young, spoiled Chinese brats driving around town in Lambos with Chinese flags painted on the hood. (No joke, there are at least two people in my vicinity with that paint job.)
This was excellent! Thank you for sharing his thoughts!
With me being black I was thinking about moving to China, now these videos have me thinking it isn't worth it.
If u go to big cities like Shanghai, it's still worth it. U can give it a try
You should consider going to taiwan, they have a more accepting society. There would still be a culture shock, but I doubt that you'll suffer racism
@@pablojosechavezbotto7689 I was in Taipei in 2018. I met and talked with the locals and they spoke English very well and quite friendly. I love Taiwan!
Just go there and make up your mind. You'll always win with an international experience, just stay away from politics or any tabou subject in whatever culture you want to settle in.
@@MZ95 is this a joke about how the Chinese are currently trying to take over africa via loans and blood money?
Thanks!
I recently had a somewhat contentious conversation with a friend in China over the Hong Kong protests. He felt it was caused by the housing shortage and the disappointment with the government over handling of that issue, and that it had nothing to do with the CCP. While I acknowledged the housing shortages in HK, I couldn't reconcile that with the fact that the extradition bill triggered the protests, and few to none of the protesters bring up the housing shortage when asked why they're protesting. I thought it was a conversation about the facts on the ground in HK, and to him it seemed more to do with Western bias against China and how I couldn't understand the reality as I was a foreigner. I don't particularly see how I couldn't tell the difference as a foreigner between a social issue and a justice issue, but underlying the whole conversation seemed to be an intent to deflect the protests as having anything to do with mainland China.
As much as I like my friend, I don't like how he argued. He insisted that all the bias was on my side, and any opinion that agreed with his was unbiased (even if it would fail the criteria he applied to my sources). On any other subject, I'd normally expect him to be fairly open. It's sad that mainland Chinese coming to our countries don't feel more opportunity to integrate and find out what we're really about. Chinese people born here are fabulously able to integrate and mingle with everyone else.
I'd very be interested to know if you continued asking why he thinks so many HK people are biased against mainland China (openly), he would resort to meandering around it without addressing any of the problems of mainland Chinese society. I might presume then that it is a matter of pride (and association?). Of course you could really test the values of such a person, but people generally would not react well to their integrity being challenged. But, not having enough introspection and investigating perspectives of the other shoe, one will generally blame everything else for thinking about it the wrong way.
@@TheGaraiden I think he intimated that they were all brainwashed by ex-CIA outfits like NED; that there was foreign money stirring up trouble against China in HK, and that was the only reason. To that, I suggested it would be hard with the amount of money the NED invested in HK to motivate the numbers that showed up for the anti-extradition bill protests, which some believe reached in excess of a million. I suggested that instead it'd be easier with the media control to convince mainland Chinese of the opposite. At that point, there was not much more to be gained by discussion. If you're willing to prefer conspiracy theories over more simpler explanations emanating from the protesters themselves, there's probably not much chance of meeting in the middle.
The irony is from the start he insisted I consider both sides (which I was trying to do), but it didn't seem he was interested in what the protesters had to say. I really don't know how one can argue motives without referencing the protesters themselves. I felt this video touched on this a bit, as perhaps the majority of Chinese are used to the Han perspective and only the Han perspective. Nothing ever forces them to consider the validity of other perspectives.
On the other hand, perhaps the cultural focus on "face" and "money" means that my friend can't understand such interest in what is essentially a Justice issue? I'm wondering if the cultural focus on "face" and "money" has a hand in that?
@@LancerDL He's just parroting what he's read on WeChat etc. That stuff probably taps into the years of indoctrination about others wanting to undermine and slice China up which has its own historical validity (which makes it even more contentious). Chinese by default are proud of the fact that they were united. Most probably never entertain the alternative as it'd be akin to infringing on the entire civilisation's sovereignty which is millennia worth of embedded psyche.
His face is worth saving and not yours LOL
The housing issue is definitely a factor among many in their discontent. The uber wealthy are not among the HK protestors. Also the main reason the valuations are so high is the same reason home prices have grown in many places around the globe that are popular with mainland Chinese. . . (Vancouver, Sydney, San Fran .. etc. . . ) Nouveau Riche Chinese mainlanders buy up foreign properties for investment/money laudering/escape plan/get family out of China etc. . So they already have a clear resentment of nationalist mainland Chinese and the housing issue is just another thing that adds to their resentment.
I've had to explain that I'm American not Chinese and well that went swell.
Lol.
im Singaporean chinese , when i lived in Shanghai, a taxi driver asked where i am from , i said im from Singapore, he asked me if i am 中国人（zhong guo ren ,prc citizen) , i said no, im 华人(hua ren chinese descendant) , he said, oh then you're a Zhong guo ren, its the same!
i smiled and sensed a kind of belonging.
I started studying in England from when I was 15 with GCSEs. Despite all my efforts, I had a really difficult time trying to fit in with my year group.
I also found it extremely difficult to balance the social life between hanging out with other Chinese students and British students of my yr group. There were constant peer pressure of being judged as 'banana man' from spending too much time with British students and being disliked & distanced by other British students from spending too much time with Chinese students.
Even after 5 years, i can only chitchat with a British uni student at best, on rare occasions become real friends with them.
This letter was so enlightening. It affirmed many notions that I had suspected but never heard directly coming from a mainlander living overseas. There are a few selected ones who can see past the mist and think freely such as this writer. I didn't realize that even if you do think freely, want to break away from the CCP control and live a normal life that it was THIS hard.
HK and Taiwanese immigrants to Western countries tend to be much more adapted and assimilated with the local culture. I think the main barriers preventing mainlanders from doing the same is the omnipresent fog of control of the CCP, even if they are thousands of kilometers away, that hangs over their communities.
They are never truly free even though they leave China.
Two years ago when I was a student, there was a forest fire close to the university and all the students were evacuated as a precaution. The university made accommodations for all the students to stay at a community center nearby. When we got to the community center, I didn't see any of the Chinese students anymore. A few days later we returned to campus and I asked one of the Chinese guys who was my classmate where they went. He said the embassy came asap and got them all in order to keep them safe. The Chinese kept to themselves, maybe because of the language barrier, but they seemed really nice in the small interactions I had with them. It just felt weird seeing them removed from the chance of extra interactions with people.
Why of course they need to be kept like sheeps within the shielding of the Motherland when outside of the Motherland. You don’t want them to learn the way of the West and go home to spread the new ideology that would be very dangerous
You should listen to interview from Chinese Consulate Defector Chen Yonglin because China's Embassies provide many things to Chinese student along with watching over them. Chinese student REQUIRE a seal/stamp on their degree from China's Embassies to make their degrees valid in China.
Not to mention China's embassies provide food, transportation, funding and even lawyers for Chinese student regarding their political activities to spread theirs CCP's influence in whatever Universities they are in.
That's why there are many news about China's Embassies protest Taiwan's food celebration on certain University or protest against a Tibetian being Student President and such.
@cutezOr Clearly, the Chinese were "removed" from the other students so their minds would not become "polluted" by non-CCP thoughts. Weird, but true and Mainlanders studying abroad are closely monitored to ensure their actions are consistent with the thoughts of Winnie Xi and company.
Not for nothing but I think this has to do more with communistic ideas of government provisions for citizens. The embassy is just seen as a extension of Government for citizens to use even outside of the country. As scummy as the CCP is, it's communistic ideals is meant to provide for the citizens..... and trust me I hate the CCP.
dantheman1998 , it has been years since I ate Chinese take away food. I am allergic to the mono sodium glutamate in their food, which artificially makes anything taste good, but is not good for you. Recently I asked a China man in his take-away if there is anything there which does NOT have msg. He looked at me with a frown. He pretended to understand no English. In every town in U.K. the Chinese take away industry is enormous. Each take away will suck thousands of pounds each week from the economy , as customers binge on sugar and mono sodium glutamate.
This makes me wanna learn Mandarin, I feel as those speaking their language (I guess as a white boy Australian haha) is far more impactful in demonstrating the benefits of diversity and reducing isolation
Good luck, its a hard language to learn
Thank you for your consideration, it is always a friendly gesture to learn somebody else's language to communicate with them.
No they should assimilate.
You can do it I’ve been studying and speaking Mandarin for two months now I’m not the best but you can definitely do it it’s not impossible
Learn Chinese and Chinese culture in Taiwan, the only country using traditional Chinese as the official language. In Taiwan, Chinese customs (Taoist, culinary, ones etc.) are normally practiced, as opposed to the Chinese Communist Party, a group of atheists that have oppressed and eradicated religious groups. (But communists did so not because they're atheists, but because they want to rule out any possibility of self-organized gatherings, which may breed anti-CCP thoughts).
We had a couple of mainland china kids come to our school in Hawaii. They seemed friendly and actually were but tended to keep to themselves.
Now I'm in Micronesia and I've had Chinese teachers and friends. They're a pretty nice lot though I must say the larger Chinese community tends to keep to themselves or those of us who have studied in China.
3:15 can only discuss politics: Rude, loud and illogical
we aren't so different after all
@Trumpenstein lol, ur name is trumpenstein tho, gotta be Fox News junkie XXL 999999.
lol Maybe this is why some immigrants are conservative even though it defies all expectation to the minorities that have been here for a while.
The thing that makes us different is that we discuss politics all the time
@@jonathanchang1574 no, thats because they are conservative with their own culture and as a result opposed to ours.
@@shamusson If you ask any of these immigrants, not many would profess that they are anti-education, anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, anti-healthcare, etc., fascists. Because they're not. They just don't fully understand the American context. I forgot what this thread was even about, but it's quite funny to somehow establish a connection between Asian culture and American conservatism.
Completely nailed it! I've lived in Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan for a total of 14 years. Wife is Taiwanese. Agree with every single thing you cover here. Bravo!
Shows that travelling means interacting with other cultures. Stop towing the CCP line and start developing as a person.
Ironically, Winston had never interested with Chinese culture when he was in China. He was keeping his western life style. And hang out with white guys. His Chinese is still very bad. If he critise Chinese for not interacting with other cultures, please he do it himself to show how it works.
@@fyjmvggh5409 Sounds like he needs to marry one and have a kid to really get in deep.
What else are you looking for, specifically?
Also, by the standards of native speakers, very few Chinese have good English. The difference is that native English speakers are used to having people speak English as a second language.
I mean, it's understandable, etc, but it's very clearly not native. And this is for people who'd started learning English as children.
TOEING
But becoming a person is what you're told to do as part of your culture...